23 3D Printers You SHOULD or SHOULDN'T Buy!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 พ.ค. 2024
- I've used 23 3D printers in the last year! Would I buy them today?
This is a fun video, where we go over the 23 3D printers that have come through the studio in the past year. Some good, some bad, some I'd buy again, some I wouldn't. So my recommendations are pretty simple, just a quick you should or shouldn't buy!
The list of 3D printers is large, and the cost wide spread, from Prusa to Bambu Lab, Creality and more. 3D printers ranging from $99 to $5,500 and everywhere in-between.
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00:00 Intro
00:34 Raise3D Pro2
01:01 Creality Ender 3 v2
01:31 FOKOO Odin-5 F3
02:29 Artillery Sidewinder X2
03:10 Anycubic Kobra Plus
03:58 LulzBot TAZ Pro XT
04:57 Prusa MINI
06:07 Wuxn WXR
07:15 LDO Voron Trident 300
07:36 LDO Voron 2.4 350
08:01 Creality K1
08:40 Elegoo Neptune 3 Max
09:19 Bambu Lab X1C / X1 Carbon w/ AMS
09:41 Raise3D E2
10:50 Creality Ender 3 Pro
11:38 LulzBot TAZ Sidekick 747
13:16 Kywoo Tycoon Slim
14:14 FOKOOS Odin-Smart
15:05 Kingroon KP3S Pro
16:28 Prusa MK3S
17:11 QIDI X-Plus 3
18:11 Bambu Lab P1S w/ AMS
18:53 Prusa SL1S Bundle w/ CW1
20:12 Thank You Channel Members - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
Ok I won't buy 23 3D printers
What I found after a few years of printing.... I just wouldn't waste my time on printers that don't have the features and quality I want, unless I had a very specific mod to do. Just spend the money up front, and get what you need. For me Autolevelling is pretty much non-negotiable. I don't even have to think about it, I get consistent first layers. Direct Drive is another, I just won't go back to bowden setup, even with my Delta's.
I think this is solid advice for everything in life, but we love all of the machines because not everyone values features the same or has the same budgets! Thank you for your insight!
@@LoyalMoses my machines are heavily modified, and I'll be converting the old reliable E3V2 to core XY (from a belted dual setup) shortly. I am 100% a tinkerer, but as soon as I went to start selling functional durable prints, reliability, accuracy and consistency changed my priorities.
Thanks for the video, great work 👍
I have a budget of $100 per printer and the ender 3 are perfect for my needs, and they must be good if I have 13 of them
Word!
Bowden printers are faster to make repairs. But All of my latest printers are Klipper and direct drive. I purchased my last Creality printer (I have 8 of them and 25 total)). The K1 Max was a lemmon and the customer service sucks on that printer. They drug their tails on this until it was past the return period. I got stuck with a $900 brick. I finally got it to print PETG and then it clogged one last time. Done! Just for fun, I bought the cheapers Ender 3, and set it up, with dual Z and bimetal heatbreak. It prints FAR better than the K1 Max, ever did. The Ender 3 has very tight and perfectly aligned walls, no strings with PETG. This is because it has the 4.2.2 motherboard and it is a refined "finished" product that just works.
And I had to work on the K1 Max constantly just to get about 8 usable PETG prints off of it. (The main problem is the print head.) And those prints were full of artifacts from the damaged belt drive system. I just received a Kingroon KLPi and it just works fine. I can print carbon X and Nylon X at 260 DEG, with it no problem. The K1 could not even print PETG without clogging. Kingroon KLPi has clean prints. The linear rails work great giving smooth prints. It is easy to set up and run. Using the Chrome Browser interface from klipper. All you have to do is follow their settings for Cura, and just print. So far 10 prints and they are all very good. The Kingroon KLPi is just as fast a the K1 only the KLPi just prints everything I throw at it.
Great video. You were in your comfort zone and it showed. Great rapid fire info as well. Awesome job man!
Thank you Trevor! Means a lot. We had a lot of fun filming and editing that together. 💜
I just watched a few of your videos and you have won a subscriber. I am looking at buying my first 3D printer and there is just SOOO much information and so many to choose from that it is very hard to decide. I was impressed that you knew so much about each different printer just from hearing the name of it. Keep up the good work and I look forward to watching more of your content.
Thank you!!!
Loved the video and looking forward to more of your expertise. I brought a Bambu Labs PSI Combo with the AMS and had it all up and running within the 15 minutes from unpacking the box to printing my first print with 2 minutes to spare just like Bambu Labs advertised. I started printing everything from poop containers, fridgets, signs, filament spools, and tons of other stuff along with a rack to hold up to 66 boxes/rolls of Bambu and Sunlu filament in their boxes. I've never owned or operated a 3 D Printer before. I've learned so much from trial and error with things like heater head temp changes to unclogging the head, changing build plate temps to help different filaments stick better or not. I printed off LED Risers in order to install more lighting in the print chamber. It's great and I love it. Thanks for all your your videos..... FYI, I've had the printer since the last week in Nov 2023 and as of today Feb 2024 I've used a little over 18 rolls of filament, printed hundreds of pieces and have 752 hours of print time on the P1S. I am proud to say that with that 752 hours of print time I've only had 3 issues with it and was able to solve those issues within a few hours. The P1S has been running almost continuously since I got it. I am definitely addicted to it. Now that I've practiced for the past 5 weeks almost non-stopped I'm thinking it's time to find a way to make a little money with this beautiful machine. Any ideas would be helpful..... Thanks again for all that you do......
Thank you for sharing this! I got your other message too!
Thanks for the great video. Since many of us are just starting out in this hobby, I rearranged your list into price order:
01:31 FOKOO Odin-5 F3 $89
15:05 Kingroon KP3S Pro $179
01:01 Creality Ender 3 v2 $209
10:50 Creality Ender 3 Pro $219
14:14 FOKOOS Odin-Smart $279
02:29 Artillery Sidewinder X2 $299
03:10 Anycubic Kobra Plus $359
13:16 Kywoo Tycoon Slim $369
04:57 Prusa MINI $429
08:40 Elegoo Neptune 3 Max $470
08:01 Creality K1 $599
16:28 Prusa MK3S $649
17:11 QIDI X-Plus 3 $699
06:07 Wuxn WXR $849
18:11 Bambu Lab P1S w/ AMS $949
07:15 LDO Voron Trident 300 $1259
11:38 LulzBot TAZ Sidekick 747 $1285
07:36 LDO Voron 2.4 350 $1349
09:19 Bambu Lab X1C / X1 Carbon w/ AMS $1499
18:53 Prusa SL1S Bundle w/ CW1 $2599
09:41 Raise3D E2 $3499
00:34 Raise3D Pro2 $3499
03:58 LulzBot TAZ Pro XT $5495
That’s just awesome! Thank you for this! 💜
Thanks just what I was looking for.
I currently have an Anycubic Kobra and Creality Ender 3 V2. I'm going to be getting the Bambu Lab P1S with AMS soon. I have a love-hate relationship with my Ender 3 V2. It's heavily modded and pretty much silent with the Noctua fans mod. But everything that could go wrong with that printer did. It has been nothing but a headache. However, I love it because it has taught me so much about 3d printers. So, I'll never get rid of it. The Kobra has been fine. It's nothing special though and has had a few issues. Print quality has been mostly good. But I did spend a lot of time chasing print quality issues. I have been 3d printing for several years now. And I'm over the tinkering part of it and just want something that works. I considered a Prusa. I know they are fantastic and they have excellent customer support. But I think they're priced just a little too high for what you're getting. 5 years ago it was a no-brainer. But today there are other options in that price range.
Thank you for this message! I think your experience is a very common one and shared by a lot of folks. I think you are making the right choice with the P1S, and you will absolutely LOVE it! Thanks for sharing, was good to read this.
I too own these 2. Ender is crap most of the time but when it woks its good. Not Great. Anycubic Photon and Kobra are decent machines...
My Ender 3 V2 is dead. My used Chiron is still going. It's actually getting better as time goes on.
It's a tank.
Helpful little vid with a lot of info but to the point on each one. I've got an Ender 3 Max right now, but with a bit of cash about to come in I am shopping about for a new machine. Definitely looking at the Bambu units with the AMS so I can start doing some multi-filament prints while still using the Max for my big print needs. Mostly want to enjoy the hobby of making things more than having to tinker and tweak. So those look like really compelling options.
You aren’t alone there! A lot of people love 3D printing but don’t enjoy the tinkering so much.
So this is the second video of yours that I have watched, and without a doubt I'm subscribing. Excellent work, both of you!
Wow! Awesomely kind comment and thank you! 💜
"I wanted to skip over the Vorons" HAHA!!! Another great video. Great way to really break down these printers for both newcomers to 3d printing to the seasoned 3d printer looking to add to their printer line up.
Thank you! ❤️
Thanks for this video. Helped me get into 3D printing!
That’s fantastic!!! 💜
@@LoyalMoses thank you for your content! You've got a new sub!
My one and only 3D printer was the Artillery X. I did a lot of research on it before I purchased it, so I knew what to expect and what the potential problems were.
First I printed parts that I felt would improve the machine's performance, including ductwork and fan to keep the chips on the motherboard cool. Then I installed a solid state contactor to protect the 120 VAC heating platform. (Worked like a charm) Then after testing, I installed CHPOWER Supporting Rod Set for CR-10/CR-10 (these gussets worked perfectly and took out the slight wobble which improved the print quality) Then I changed the firmware to Marlin mesh leveling which really improved the leveling process. I use to love watching it. Amazing process...
Great video! Thanks for you honesty!
That is awesome! Sounds like you really enjoy this, which is inspiring! Thank you for sharing! 💜
I have the Artillery Sidewinder X2. It ended with a spaghetti mess that killed the head. I am going to try a A1 mini. I wish it was reviewed here.
Keep up the amazing content. You got me into 3d printing a little over a year ago and it is now a great hobby that I enjoy.
Thank you! Love comments like this, they are so appreciated!
I'm very close to tearing apart my Sidewinder X1, that has been sitting in the corner for 2 years, for parts. You're review of the X2 has me feeling nostalgic about it now lol
💜 what’s your favorite machine?
I have spent the better part of this morning watching your videos. I just want to say THANK
YOU for speaking in non-tech language. So many of us are new to this field and all that tech talk goes right past many of our gray-matters! Learned a few things this morning and will be back for more later! Thanks again.
What an awesome comment, I really appreciate it. I’m trying to welcome as many people as I can to our hobby / passion! Thank you! 💜
No, 369 is not a good price for the prusa mini, the prusa mini is worth less than $200, look at the bambulab a1 mini, $300 without the ams, better in every way
Crazy how fast times have changed1
Great video and summaries. Surprised you didn’t talk about the ANYCUBIC KOBRA MAX - I just picked it up but was wondering your thoughts. Seems solid for a large print volume.
Thank you! Oh! I’m sure you will love the Kobra Max. That is an incredible machine from what I’ve seen and been told. We had the Kobra Plus and I would have loved to have been sent the Max.
Interesting viewpoints.
Impersonally a little more frugal as of late for some of those machines to be on my Yes list. But some are a definite yes if I had the funds.
As for what I like in printers, I like to build my own and upgrade my printers. I'm currently building a large corexy of my own design. So I do not mind printers that need some upgrades. As such it has a small factor in my decision making.
As for Resin printers I agree with what you said. So many now have amazing quality and for far less than what Prusa offers. If Prusa has to lower just one of their 3d printer prices that'd definitely be the one to lower. It's just way overpriced for the competition.
There are certain features on printers that are really worth the extra cost. I always keep that in mind when choosing one.
For instance an IDEX. It's like having two printers for the price of one. I bought an IDEc from a sort of generic brand and actually love it. It's a Tenlog TL-D3 Pro. Currently it is the main printer I use. It took a few small tweaks like a tightening of some screws and a belt plus a little love on the E2 extruder calibration height adjustment but it prints really good and reliable. Only upgrades I did was I swapped the nozzles to a 0.6, swapped the bed springs for silicone standoffs, and purchased their nozzle brushes which do not come with the machine. I love the duplication mode. That is where the two printers in one come in & it basically cuts print times in half if you have multiple prints of the same object. In fact I ran some duplication prints all weekend and am currently running one right now. All of which have been parts for my corexy I'm building. I love IDEX. So much so that I turned my Ender 3 Max into one as well.
Thank you for this! It makes me happy to read that others are using IDEX machines and having success with them! As for your large corexy machine, is this just for personal use or are you going to release it?! Thank you for the comment, I really appreciate it.
@@LoyalMoses I am really building the coreXY for fun so currently it is just going to be for personal use. At least for now. I am early in the design and trial & error phase of building it. Plus there are a lot of options already out there to build or buy that are already proven designs.
But who knows what will come of it after it's finished. That is a bit far off for now.😉
Regarding Creality K1. They disrupted the GPL license of Klipper and made firmware closed from users with unknown changes. At the same time, they "tweaked" some essential parameters (like resonance compensation) and made the incorrect choice. There are two reasons why I can't recommend this. Regarding Voron: a lot of engineering faulted solutions in construction, imho. In general thx for good definitions!
Thanks!
I just converted my Prusa Mini into a Bulbasaur so I'm not sure any other printers can compete with that. That being said I do want the P1S and it's on my Christmas wish list this year, excited to see what Bambu is going to announce this month though.
Wait! You did that?! I’ve wanted to do that for so long! I would love it! ❤️🔥
Hey Moses, thanks a lot for the tutorial. On what printer to buy.
Appreciate it.
So welcome!
Super content. I am building a small print farm and I am in the market for a couple of machines. I have Prusa mini's and MK3 now. I print small items now but want to print helmet size also. Looking at more Prusa printer but so much is happening right now in the 3D printer market. Should I wait for the Creality and Bambu announcement before committing ? It was because of your enthusiasm for Prusa (and the LM show) that I bought them.
Thank you Michael!!! I still LOVE Prusa machines, they are amazing! Helmet size printers are awesome, and right now Elegoo has some great ones. As for new products from Creality and Bambu, I can't be specific, but go ahead and pickup a helmet printer if you need one within the next couple of months from another brand.
Looking to get another printer and this was a great video. I have an E3v2 that I started with, now looking at the Sovol 6 plus. Subscribed ! By the way Mrs LM could do custom Alexa voices.
Awesome! Thank you, glad we could help! Also, yes, Mrs LM talks that way sometimes just to make us laugh! 😆
I love how Loyal Moses has embraced the term of Helmet Class printers
This was fascinating. I’d love that Pro 2 but I could never invest that kind of money. I just bought the K1 and I haven’t even opened the box yet. It’s my first machine. Wish me luck!
Congratulations! You will love it!
Upgraded from a crappy Voxlelab Aquila to the bambolab p1s. Couldn’t be happier. Didn’t get the AMS as it didn’t fit my budget but can’t wait to get one
Don’t worry! You can add it when you want to! Congrats on the machine! 🔥🔥🔥
I have an ender 3 v2 and it was a good machine, I learned a lot from it, but sadly it pretty much broke down irreparably. Not really but I tried a lot and I spent a decent amount trying to get it to run again but nope. So for that reason idk if I'd but any creality again. They're cheap but can break quite bad. Rn I have a prusa MK3 that I recently upgraded to a MK3s+, had it for almost 5 months, it's a tank, like you said, and I got it for only 500, 550 with the kit, only issue I have with it is cooling, ender was a bit better in that regard I think, so at some point I'll likely upgrade it to a dual fan setup, but other than that, I'm very very happy with it
$500 is a GREAT DEAL! Wow! They are great machines, will run forever and rarely fail.
Really cool video opened me up to understanding there is a real separation between entry level commercial and novice machines. I noticed you only reviewed 1 large build volume printer, was wondering your thoughts on others. You had good words for the Anycubic would they apply to his bigger brother?(Kobra 2 MaX)
Awesome! And thank you! I do like Anycubic machines, but I haven't used that machine yet.
I've never used a 3D printer before, but I have cast metal using the lost wax process. I was wondering if there is a filament that I could use to print a plug for a mold that I could melt out like I do with wax. I've never heard of printing an object to make a mold before, and so have no idea if it's ever been done. I can sculpt in wax, but if I want consistency when making lots of an object I think a 3D printer would be a huge help. Any thoughts?
Oh! Absolutely! Polymaker makes a filament called PolyCast for lost wax use! polymaker.com/product/polycast/
I've done this lost wax process with normal PLA as well! Curious if it would work better with resin, as the layer lines come in strong with the PLA, but I suppose I also could have used some moothing techniques on the final print before casting
The only reason I watched in was the Creality Ender 3 Pro.
I use two for years.
Mainboard of the first printer failed at around 2k hours of printing.
Printer two still works perfect, after more than 4k hours of printing.
I had not a single failure this whole year.
The Ender 3 Pro needs minor mods - anything else is a waste of time & money - it's a relatively slow printer, but if all done right - it does exactly what it should.
That’s A LOT of printing hours! Wow! Thank you for sharing your experience, I really appreciate it. Looking forward to it!
This is the type of content I love to see you do! My first 3D printers was the Fokoos Odin 5 F3 which I purchased after your 3d printed fishing hook snagged me so long ago. I now have the Fokoos Odin 5 F3, Sunlu S9, and as a resin printer I got the AnyCubic Photon Mono 5s auto leveling 12k. You may have hooked me but I have fully dove into the deep end now. This was an amazing video. Absolutely loved it! Keep up the amazing excellence that I've come to know and enjoy from the LM Show. ❤
Thank you Rip! I’m so glad you jumped in to 3D printing with so much energy! 💜
Great video, thumbs up 👍. What about BambuLab new 3d printer?
I wish I could tell you about it! I have pics and video of ALL of it!
Hi Matt,
Great video. Is it possible to do a video just for the SLA printers? I got into the FDM printers a year ago (still pretty new in the industry). All I can say is that it has been a wild ride, going from the creality ender 3 to prusa mk3. Unfortunately, the ender 3 was too advance for me in terms of having to always tweak it which is why I LOVE my prusa mk3 because everything has been a smooth sailing and the print quality has never disappointed me. Now I want to get into SLA printing but there is no way I could justify buying the prusa SL1S bundle. Do you think I should wait for the price to come down and get a quality SLA printer? or is there a bundle that would be worth the price?
We should definitely do an SLA one!
I wonder if the Bambu Lab A1 will take over the bed slinger market.
Flashforge Finder, just starting out in printing and it is super easy, cold bed and small builds are its main downsides. Reasonably fast and super quiet.
That’s great to hear! If you are enjoying it, that’s what really matters! Thanks for sharing.
I have to say the menus are really easy to use, and even the slicer seems good.
Well thought out product for a beginner or anyone willing to learn basis with a cold bed..@@LoyalMoses
I'm just getting into 3D and looking to buy my first 3D Printer. What would you recommend. What are your thoughts on the Elegoo Neptune 4 Pro
Oh! We just talked about this last night on the live show! I’ve not used the 4 Pro yet, but there are some amazing reviews and a lot of good quality prints coming from it. Also, welcome! 💜
Great vid thank you, one question why is it that not many people are talking about the new Neptune 4 or the 4 pro ? from what I have heard they sound good but not much talk about them
Cheers Mark
Thanks Mark! We talked about that last night on the live show. The reviews on them are simply fantastic, so maybe it is just a marketing issue? I haven't used either, so I can't give you my thoughts on them.
Interesting. Good video. Some of these I have never heard of before.
Fookos, Wuxn, Kywoo, Kingroon, may be decent printers, but where will they be in 3 - 5 years?
Raise 3D, Lulzbot, LDO Voron, too rich for my blood.
I notice that all the printers that print their own parts are on the expensive side. A small-scale manufacturer would benefit from the cost effectiveness of printing their own parts, but large volume makers would be cheaper to have molded parts. I don't know what kind of volume someone like Prusa puts out per month. I don't have the same enthusiasm as you seem to for makers that print their own parts.
And sad to for me to say this, but I was one that scored a K1 for $408, but regrettably had to cancel due to unforeseen expenses that came up.
Thanks! Sorry to hear about needing to cancel, but that is completely understandable. Kywoo and Kingroon have been around for years, Fokoos was short lived and Wuxn has been here for a couple of years too. Thank you for your comment.
You can't skip the Vorons.
And I'm still willing to give the Trident a good, loving home if you don't want to finish it. I'll even pay for shipping!😊
Hehe
Awesome 3-D Printers quick recommendation review👍🏽…Couldn’t find it if you did or not and didn’t seem to make the list but what your thoughts on the AnkerMake M5 3D Printer and if you haven’t, will you do a review?
I have an AnkerMake here... I need to get it unboxed and content created!
Do you have full videos on your raised 3d machines?
Are you interested in them?! I would absolutely make some content if others wanted to see them! They are incredible machines!
Nice rundown. I miss being able to hang out in your streams.
THANK YOU LUP!
Hi ... Have you ever tried or bought the Sovol SV06 or the SV06 plus. It's like a Prusa I3 but much cheaper. I bought the SV06 and so far so good. I find that it's quieter than my Original I3 Prusa MK2/s.
I haven’t used a Sovol yet, but I hear great things about them!
Looking to buy my first 3d printer. I'm trying to choose between the QIDI X-Plus 3 and the Bambu Lab P1S. The QIDI is currently $609, and the P1S is $699 (with out AMS). Which one is better? Speed and reliabilty wise.
Very interesting and informative video about so many different printers.
Don't worry you poor little Vorons, you will have your days in the limelight just wait and see.
Yes!! They will have their day!!
Thank you! AND LOL!
What would you recommend for an all encloses ready to go printer. Not trying to do any assembly to the actual printer. Great video. By the way. I purchased a xyzprinting Jr pro 1.0A on Amazon didn't know they went out of business. Hence the price. I'm sending it back and going to replace it with something I can get support and actually register the product.
No assembly, would be a Bambu P1S, Creality K1, QIDI X-PLUS 3
I am happy with the V400 (600€). The speeder pad also supports 2 more printers.
Buy or No?
I've not used the Speeder pad. Anyone else used it?!
@@LoyalMoses there's been a firmware update some days ago and they changed from stealthchop mode to standard. It's supposed to be louder now but also run better (600mm/s and more torque).
The webcam is supposedly not working anymore so I am still hesitant.
Great review, we miss your appearances and comments on Hot Makes
Thank you! 💜 I will need to make time to come by! We are LIVE on Monday's and usually prepping beforehand so it makes it tough to visit! I can try though!
What filament storage are you using? Just brackets with poles?
I designed 3D printed brackets and use shelves that you can buy at your local home improvement store.
www.printables.com/model/370530-lm-show-filament-wall-shelf-brackets
awesome videos. im new to the printing universe, but want to do figurines of superheroes.
would you recommend filament or resin?
Thank you! You can it with both, depending on the nozzles size you have on the filament printer and the size of the prints you want to have.
If you want small figurines, then resin would likely be a better choice.
I want the Prusa M4 extruder and force sensing nozzle in a Bambu lab enclosed printer with heating like the Qidi. Now if someone would put a interferometric Z axis feed back system in a printer we could get perfect layer heights and things would be amazing. So many printers with wild variation in extrusion and layer height.
That would be cool!!!
Got my Ender 3 Pro for $99 and absolutely worth it at that price. If I was paying any more than that or if I want something a bit more capable, Sovol SV06 or SV06 Plus instead for sure! Also, for someone just starting who doesn't want to assembly the printer, the Ender 3 V3 SE is definitely worth the $199 from what I've seen.
Isn’t it amazing how prices have come down so far now?! Thank you for sharing this! Makes me happy!
I just returned my E3Pro and changed it for a Neptune 4. The Ender 3 Pro for me was a "3D Printer Diagnostics Simulator", not a 3D printer. Everything and anything that could break did. Thank goodness I got the Microcenter 2-year warranty that additionally let me refund it (after a year!). Super happy with my Neptune 4 so far. You must be either so much better at this stuff or so much more patient than me to love the E3Pro
@@v4714v Good points. I personally think the E3 Pro has had its time and only really makes sense if it's $99 or less and you want the experience of putting a printer together. Mine has been pretty solid, but it has def needed tweaking to get nearly perfect prints. My recommendations currently to new people are the Sovol SV06 or now the Ender 3 V3 SE, but I've heard good things about the Neptune as well. The printing landscape has changed a lot in the past 6 months alone. 😁
You realize its the OLD stock Ender 3 at Microcenter not the Much better Ender 3 V2@@LoyalMoses its the same one that has been around for like 7 years now
@@v4714v I have an Elegoo Neptune 2D, and their customer support was excellent. Not only where they open minded about mods, they even gave me suggestions for mods as well as suggesting against a mod with very good and reasonable arguments against it. And not only that, but after some nice back and forth, they even put me in contact with one of their engineers which was fantastic.
I would buy the Prusa Mini+, MK3S+(just bought my second), Wuxn. A bambu only if customer support was as good as Prusa's customer support.
Prusa support is amazing, maybe the best out there.
Bambulab works SO much better out of the box than the most other ones
@@BrainDeath89 Not very durable though. I've heard about the bushings / X rod wearing down after a few thousand hours. Plenty of stories of Mk3s going strong for 25,000+ hours without major failure. Don't have to rely on Prusa for parts either.
@@skywardsoul1178dont forget a warped beds. I have 2.
@@rightsdontcomewithpermits7073 Warped bambu buildplates at that price? Ouch. Not even a very big bed either is it?
Okay got a few question.
1) So I have an old Ender 3 pro, that has the old board so it does not work with the CR touch. Is it worth upgrading my old Ender 3 pro or should I buy a new one that has the new board? Or should I just look at other printers?
2) So the Prusa resin printer, how does that compare to the Form labs printers? I only have experience with the Form labs because that is what we had in the lab i use to work at.
For the price, the new SE and KEs are just priced so well, I would like just grab a new one.
I have not used a FormLabs machine, but the Prusa SL1S is a little overpriced in the industry now, there are a lot of other machines with more features for 1/4 the price!
I just want printers that i can press print and know its going to work or stop itself if it fails to get a first layer. My MK3S printers are so hard to see that first layer when printing smaller parts, like the size of a benchy. I havent messed with the MK4 and doubt i will since i now own the BL X1CC. Love that its enclosed, good size though wish it was 300 cubed, and it has the automatic features. For me, no failures on mine yet. Im sure theyll happen at some point. But i dont want to own anything that doesnt have auto bed leveling, a camera to check on it periodically, and wifi enabled. Im updating the MK3S'es with a raspberry pi and octoprint. But not sure if I will keep them since getting the X1C. The X1C just has those extra features im missing in my older printers. That also includes Ender 3, Ender 5, Railcore, and Daedalas. Im thinking of having an everything must go sale even though they work fine... Lol.
A lot of people are feeling this, they just want to print and want it to be simple. Many companies are working towards this.
New to the page and I see it's an 8 month old but, thoughts on the Prusa 3d XL - $5k assembled with 5 quick change heads.
Oh, also the massive Elegoo Orangestorm giga??
I'm currently in the market for a new 3D printer but with all the choices out there, which one would best fit my needs? I am looking to produce very large tall prints. I love the high detail of the resin printers but I do not like the chemicals or the limited size. This is probably a dumb question but I'll ask it anyway. Is there an extra large FDM printer that can produce the quality or close to it of a resin printer? If not, what filament would give the best results for minimizing layer lines? Which nozzle size gives the best detail again by limiting layer lines? What layer height also gives the best detail? Which slicing software is the one you would recommend depending on the printer type you suggest? I looked at Elegoo's Neptune 3 Max & 4 Max but I am hesitant to buy either. I also saw the Creality CR-10 S5 and the like and now I am more confused than ever. Please shed some light into the printer, filament and slicing software I should focus on, thank you.
Elegoo, LulzBot, Raise3D all have great machines that are larger and produce great results - budget will really be a significant portion of the decision, more expensive when it comes to larger and more precision machines, is a real thing.
Layer lines are a combination of machine precision, layer thickness and filament choice / tuning. Common visible layer lines are at .2mm while .1mm will make them nearly invisible unless you are looking for them (not noticeable).
A smaller nozzle really only helps with top surface detail (width of the extrusion).
Slicers, all slicers will be able to produce great results - this is very much preference or machine related. For instance, you might choose to use IdeaMaker because you bought Raide3D machines, or PrusaSlicer because you own a Prusa, etc.
@@LoyalMosesTHANK YOU VERY MUCH! This clarifies everything for me, thank you again!
Got to remember nobody says when reviewing printers your settings are very important that makes the print good its a great video if u can make a video on big printers for helmets
Absolutely!
Things just got a lot more competitive with the Prusa Mini getting input shaping support 😂
Only if Prusa drops the price. $459 now gets you that Bambu MINI and 4 color AMS. Crazy times!
@@LoyalMoses the biggest issue I see with Bambu is the very proprietary parts and the lack of security on their machines. I do agree that Prusa could offer a lower price, but I’d rather buy reliability and longevity over something new. But who knows what might happen with the A1.
Yo, I am looking to make an upgrade and deciding between the Bambu P1S and the X1 carbon. I only print using PLA (for now) and am mostly interested in the AMS system for multi-color printing. What advantages does the X1 carbon have over the P1S to justify the increase in price?
If you have the budget, X1C, but that P1S will save you some money and it is amazing!
Microcenter has the Ender 3 v2 for $99 IF you're a new customer and I believe it's in store only, not online.
Wish we had one close to us! Do you??
@@LoyalMoses I have one about 45 minutes away in St. David's, PA. I've gone there to buy filament a few times.
Almost any 3D printer, when in the hands of an experienced operator, can be quite reliable. But, when it resides in a makerspace with 300 members, that's the real test. We had several different 3D printers and the Prusa 3s was the worst in reliability. I'm not sure why, but the Ender 3-V2 was actually more reliable once we got people to quit messing with the leveling. The reliability got so bad, that almost no 3D printing was being done. So we dumped all the printers and replaced them with 4 Bambu Lab P1Ps. What a huge difference! The 3D printing room is busy again with lots of people using the P1Ps. Bad prints almost never happen, and the printers have never needed maintenance except for occasional cleaning.
Definitely! I think this could be true for many tools in the hands of the untrained! Thank you for the comment!
Great info in this video!! So help me pick a printer……..I only want to print life size skulls to display my custom headware on in my store. I need to print about 100 skulls to get started. I do not own a printer and need some guidance on a machine that can handle this mission. And I was hoping to stay under 600.00
250mm to 300mm cubed would be recommended. So anything like that would be great.
My first and only printer that I've owned thuss far is the Biqu B1 SE Plus... It's print quality is okay, and it's easy enough to work on, but there's a lot of little miscellaneous issues with it and quarks, and they're hardly is no community support with that printer so I basically have to learn everything on my own. I think the next printer that I want to get though is the bambu labs P1S
That was a popular machine! You will love the P1S, amazing machine. Thank you for commenting! 💜
Do you have any videos on the Biqu B1 SE Plus? I know it's made by bigtreetech which is the same company that makes all creality stuff. I know it's supposed to be like a super ender like with all the upgrades and everything in the Box, my main thing is I'm still learning kira and I'm learning fusion 360 and I'm not learning very well. Sometimes it'll have awesome print quality and then other times it just doesn't. I've learned to tweak the variables in a G-Code like setting temperature and all that, that's helped out some I just wish I could find more content on my printer. I feel like it's a lot to ask if you can make a video on that printer considering it's probably an outdated machine. Though I printed pretty fast with it in the past, I generally try to print slower.
I have the same printer. It is a little quirky but I've gotten good results with it. I agree. There's not a lot of content about it.
Question what is your opinion on the Dremel 3d45
is lulzbot really worth that much just because of toolchanging? have you heard of whambam mutant? its a mod that you can make any toolhead detachable
I do believe they are! Not all machines are equal, and I am super impressed with both industrial and hobby grade printers. So much fun to be had with them all!
Bambu lab p1s or neptune 4 max ? Im torn on which ine to get i have saturn 2 and wanting to get a filament one to do different projects that resin arent too well for.
Those are vastly different machines! One is a helmet class printer (large volume), and the other is corexy design with a multi-color option! What are you interested in? If it were me, and you are from resin, your experience with the P1S is going to be a life changing one. It is an incredible machine.
@LoyalMoses I do plan in doing cosplay stuff such as helmets ect. But mainly looking to do reptile enclosure things which won't be very big
Is the creality multi material going to be similar to the ams system where its an addon or is it going going to be built in.
I’ve not seen the specifics yet!
Do you think I should get a Kobra 2 Max or a Bambu P1S (no ams) as my first printer? I want something really easy to use (which I know is better from bambu), large (better from the kobra 2 max), and fast (both). I'd ideally like to make large prints such as masks and helmets, which is why i'm considering the Kobra 2 Max but I really would like the benefits of an enclosure like the P1S has, like heating (for things like ABS), a filter, etc. as well as the hardened steel extruder assembly I could get for it.
Look into the Bambu a1. I have an x1c and k1 as well and some others. I love the a1 and can be had with an ams lite for the price of a p1
P1S! Best experience hands down if you’ve never done it.
I only have 1 , an Ender3V2.... it was $259 AU, all I could afford, it works ok but I wish I could of afforded something better.... I would love a K1 one day. Love your Vids and Streams. take care.
Thank you Tony! I hope the price to get machines to you gets better. It's crazy how expensive it is.
G'day LM..... this was my first vid on your channel and iv given ya a sub👍. Im only a slight enthusiest....🤔 with a modded Ender3 v2 and a new addition, of a Kywoo Tycoon Max with copperhead heatbreak and a Vanadium Nozzle from Slice Enineering to make it a 300c machine, and in resin i have the Nova3D Whale 2 a mid size printer. and after this recent cybermonday i was able to picked up a long needed Elegoo Wash an cure Station. Im here in Australia and living on a Disability pension(due to mental health and back issues) and this creative part of 3d printing has helped me be a little more open by doing this and talking to people about printers/ing. Your perspective on a large set of printers for the yr has been informative, in some reviews its "Top 5" and not a real rep of the 3d printing companys out there🤔. Cheers ol son From A M8 Downunder🙃
Thank you! I’m happy that you’ve found a healthy hobby! I love resin too, it’s a lot of fun, and amazing results. I appreciate you sharing and welcome! 💜
I’m stuck between the P1S with/without AMS and the K1 Max. Any ideas on which I should get?
P1S will be a better overall experience, the Max would be great if you want to print helmets.
I need dimensionally accurate prototype prints in materials like PP and PEEK.
Are any of these printers able to reliably print in these kinds of materials? Or do I have to go with a far more expensive industrial option. I do engineering and design full time and don't have time to fiddle with printer issues for hours each day. Most of the info I'm finding on TH-cam is more for PLA "toy" printing.
I'm trying to expand my business capabilities to not have to outsource machine shops at high cost to build out multiple revisions of parts by printing my prototypes first. The problem is if the prints don't hold within a certain tolerance to the designs, then the print isn't as helpful as I'd hope.
I'd like to be able to print some final parts in some some of those materials, too.
Some of the first printers I was interested in was the ulimaker s7 pro or the method XL.
But these are much more of an investment, and seeing how I haven't found videos of people recommending them, I didn't know if it was because they're overpriced or if they're just outside the scope of the typical 3d print hobbyists.
Maybe look at much more expensive machines if you are thinking industrial.
i have a ender 3 pro with directdrive and a bltouch and i would buy it again. but ony with the new mainbord becuse it is equipped with quiet motor drivers
Awesome! Thanks for sharing.
I started with the Prusa i3 MK2S, then added an Ender 5 Plus, but both are now retired in favor of a P1S and an MK4. I'm not sure yet what will replace the Ender 5 Plus, as neither of my current printers can match its size. However, there's talk of the second generation of Bambu printers including larger models, so I'll wait and see. While I'm eyeing the XL from Prusa and considering the OrangeStorm Giga from Elegoo, Bambu could be intriguing if they go beyond 350mm, as Bambu loses significant build volume for certain shapes. But now to the point: Time is incredibly valuable to me, so time outweighs money. That's why I'm willing to invest in something a bit more expensive. I'm tired of spending time on Z offset and leveling; I'd rather spend that time with my family. As a technical draftsman, my printer is my tool, just like my circular saw. Do I build and repair my circular saw myself? No, because it's just a crappy tool, and I'm not a mechanic. So, that argument doesn't hold for me. Hence, Bambu and Prusa remain the better choice for me compared to cheap printers that need upgrades.😅
Thank you for sharing! And I agree with a lot of what you said too! Time is so important for me.
Hello, I'm new to your TH-cam channel , I have 13 3d printers, mostly Ender 3 and ender 3 pro, and a few odds and ends. I also have 2 CR-10 printers, my main problem is humidity . ANY suggestions????
Welcome! Thanks for the question! That’s A LOT of printers, very cool! Humidity is definitely something I don’t deal with a lot up here on the mountain, but I would suggest storage bins / tubs with desiccant or a dehumidifier if that is an option.
Do you normally have to dry filament before or while printing? Is humidity that bad?
i would love to start a channel, but I can't get my prints down to allow such things, no one wants to see failure
What is helmet class? Print volume can print 1 to 1 helmet?
300mm cubed is helmet class! Sorry I didn’t say that in the video!
The SL1 produces some seriously high quality prints, but there are definitely less expensive options.
Will they be as reliable? idk. I want to see more resin printer comparisons. The SL1 is a few steps down from Formlabs in terms of price, but maybe also capability?
Def would love to see more content on it.
Great video LM fam!
Thanks brother! No doubt the SLS1 produces great print quality, I am excited to see what others are producing for less cost.
for the price, I would get a Formslabs printer. the SL1 build volume is just too tiny.
Reminds me of the good old days of shopping for my first 3D printer in 2013. Bought a new Robo3D R1 bed slinger. What a hunk of trash that machine was in hindsight, but it basically brute-forced my 3D printing skill and knowledge lol. Gonna try repurposing the big injection molded case for something.
Very cool!
What’s your opinion on the new Ankermake M5c? Thanks
I've seen good reviews and bad, but because I haven't yet used it for myself that is tough to answer definitively. Are you considering one?
@@LoyalMoses thank you for the fast response. yes, I'm considering this model for ~$350. the reviews I've seen on youtube are all very positive.
Here are my top three choices, at this moment, for my ultimate 3D printing mini farm. A Bambu Lab X1 Carbon with AMS, QIDI X-Max
3, and an Elegoo Neptune 3 Max. For the Neptune, I'd mod the print cooling for absolute maximum airflow, linear rail X & Y axes, hook it up to a Sonic Pad, and let 'er rip. Just need to get the wife on board ;)
That is a SOLID farm setup! I love it. Also, upgrading rails, super smart!
Do you have all those printers? I'm trying to decide from the X Max or the X1C.
@@nickp385me too. I want the size from qidi and the ease of bambu
I’m still thinking on those blackfriday between X1C AMS + Kobra 2 Max or Qidi x max 3 + P1S AMS
I bought the X Max 3 and it's great. Fast, big build plate and a heated chamber. It's a great printer.
In two years I have had 3 printers go wrong Anycubic mega s ,Anycubic kobra and a sovol 6 plus,awaiting refund for that one,I really liked it so don’t know if I should give the 6+ another go,or get another make.
Oh! So sorry you have had so many issues!
I'm still sticking to my 2 choices - P1S Combo and K1 Max. As I said many times, I have until Nov. to buy 1. Now with the rumors of either Bambu providing an AMS that is compatible with other machines and Creality maaaybeee developing their own AMS, I may go for the K1 Max because of the volume, then buy whatever AMS will be available for it in the future. UNLESS, Bambu comes up with a 300-cubed printer that will be cheaper than a K1 Max and AMS before Nov.
As for the machines you mentioned, most of the bedslingers until the "Max" volume should be a "No" as many companies already have a fast/Klipperized version that are about the same price as their older version. I think for now the Anycubic Kobra 2 Series are setting the prices for the "Neo" (beginners) "Pro", "Plus" and "Max" printers for others to match or beat.
P1S and K1 Max are awesome machines! I want more printers, of all sizes, every iteration is better and we get to see what sticks with the market, what drives prices down, what increases quality and makes for a better user experience! Thank you for the comment!
@LoyalMoses Maybe I was a bit harsh with the "No's". If this video was made even 1 month ago, I think I would have agreed. But in the past couple of months a few of the companies already came out with faster version of some of the mentioned printers that seem very impressive like the Enderv3 V3 SE for $199 and the Anycubic Kobra series which are currently about the same prices as their predecessors.
What do you think about the Creality3D CR-5 Pro ?
Right now it is on a huge discount at 400 $
I didn't get to test it. I think $400 is an interesting price. There are A LOT of machines competing there.
Love my Prusa Mini - it’s a phenomenal printer.
They make great machines!
Thinking for getting a "Prusa MK4 3D Printer kit" ($799.00)It seems to be a quality maching with good customer service. That's Important to me as this will be my 1st 3d printer. I don't want to get a 3d print have an issue.... Instructions not in english & no tech support.... Thoughts? Have you used this machine or have any feedback from others on this?
I’ve not used a MK4, but I’ve no doubt it’s a fine machine and their support is great and can handle any issues that arise.
If you want to build and tinker, then Prusa would be a great choice. If you want a turn key printer, then I’d recommend a Bambu P1S for $699.
MMM. I'm really new so if this is a Stupid question let me know.... I know Prusa is Open Source Coding So I can go online and download the desired project without having to create the project from scratch? I believe Bambu is Closed? Sooo Is this an Issue if I want to find Ready to print Projects @LoyalMoses
@@HoldenTreasurethat only means the source code for the machine interface and / or desktop app is closed source, like 99% of the other applications run on computers, etc - both machines you will be able to download any models / projects you’d like and print them. If that’s what you were asking.
I ordered the MK4 with MMU3 and enclosure as my first printer. (Kit everything) I heard mixed things about Bambu. Their reliance on their cloud for firmware updates and encrypted log files you won't have access to were the biggest downsides to it. From the technical aspect, the Bambus may be the more current and better machines, but I'm fully for the open source world of Prusa.
Thank You for the reply@@LoyalMoses
Thumbs up for Mrs LM... we need to see more or Mrs LM on stream and YT... Don't Wilson Mrs LM (Tim the Toolman, Home Improvement reference)🤣
Thanks Ken!! And yup, we’re old enough to have watched and loved Home improvement so we totally got the reference. 😂
You just gave me an idea! LOL
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So with so many you said you would still buy, how would you rank them then?
We talked about that today. It would be very helpful if we ranked them in some fun, but useful way.
What are your thoughts on snapmaker printers
Don’t have any here!
What do you think about the Builder Extreme Pro printers. Probably want to buy the 2000 model.
I have no experience at all with them!
@@LoyalMoses thanks for being so honest.
@@LoyalMoses you got a subscriber
very interesting, thanks!
Thanks!
forgive me but how can you recommend a fdm printer for 3000 plus?
Great question! Have you ever used one? Do you believe there is a quality difference between a $99 and a $499 printer? If so, then you can understand the difference in quality, parts, support, user experience and more! Not all 3D printers are created equally, and there are clear differences in results, otherwise they wouldn’t be in business. I do appreciate the question!
Does polymaker make a variety pack of pla + or pro like in a 500kg per color
I’m not sure if they do!
I'm running ender to start with the cost in the last year has gone up 47% on almost all of the ones these CC's are advertising for if you get advice on here for one find a different one I can spend about 500$ more on upgrades for the one I have now
Ender is a great entry point! Saves tons of money on the initial entry to the hobby for sure!
Do you have any resin printers and if you do what would you recommend
I do have A LOT of resin machines here... Creality and Elegoo make some great ones!
Im starting a business, I am starting with a FlashForge Adventurer 5M, any tips?
Oh! That is great! Congrats! Join our discord.
loyal.ms/discord
Very Helpful. I presently have the Ender-3 v2 and I have to agree with your assessment. That is exactly why I am about ready to move up and move on. ;-)
Thank you! Which machine you moving to?!
@@LoyalMoses , still in the decision making progress but I am leaning toward the Bambu P1S or the Bambu X1. My son recently bought the P1S and he is really pleased with it. He has had it a couple of months now.
Update. I went with the BambuLabs X1 Carbon.
what do you think of the Anker Maker M5C?
I have it here and it’s time for me to open it up and print with it! Content soon!
If there's really a more capable and reliable machine than an Ender 3 V2 for $200 (that isn't just another Ender 3), I'll buy one right now. I didn't pay more than $200 for any of the 3 machines I have, and my Ender 3 Neo is by far the most capable and reliable with the least tuning. The only substantial upgrade I can think of around that price is having Klipper out of box.
I think it's cool that I could buy a fully enclosed, core xy, dual extruder machine for $200 a year ago (Bibo Touch 2 with a $100 coupon and a $100 gift card from applying for a Amazon credit card), but it's exactly what you would expect from those features at that price point. PID tuning wasn't done at the factory; they used loud drivers so it sounded like an angry dot matrix printer before tmc2209s; the tiny touchscreen manages to be a downgrade from the screen on the Neo; filament slips off the run out sensors causing the print to stop, and triggers a VERY LOUD alarm; they used tiny heatsinks like you'd put on stepper drivers on the (ptfe lined) heat breaks; plain glass bed, with a laughably thin sheet of aluminum for the heater; no auto leveling; part cooling is a couple of fans pointed vaguely in the direction of the extruders; and the pièce de résistance: it wouldn't even sit flat on a table when I unboxed it because one side of the enclosure wasn't cut square. I don't think you can buy them new any more, and that's probably for the best.
There are a lot of machines... the SE and KE are both incredible machines and priced well.
What helmet class would you recommend?
Right now, I am DIGGING the Elegoo Neptune 3 MAX, which is VERY affordable for that size of a machine! 420 x 420 x 500mm!