I sometimes answer, "The box is for us humans. Sheep wandering outside the pen are in danger of attack so God tells us to stay inside where we're safe. The Shepherd may come and go as he pleases, but our instructions are to stay put where he designates."
Regarding your comments at the end, how could anyone NOT want to watch this video. I work while listening. It surpasses sports, politics, entertainment, how to videos..
It’s me with the comments. At least you know I’m listening to what your discussing. I really love you two Kozarz. I was in Charismania for 50 years. It was so hard seeing the craziness (Rodney Howard Browne) and not knowing where to turn. I stayed in my denomination and turned to Moody Radio. Then I found out most radio preachers are Calvinists. I did not know there was such a thing. Then I found out Calvinists are Determinists and God chose the damned before the foundation of the world. Leaving my denomination was hard. Finding a non Calvinistic church was hard. Im having a tough time. I wouldn’t sit under Calvinist teaching any more than I would sit under Joseph Smith teaching. I was married to my denomination and it took years to walk away from it. I just want truth.
I can sure understand where you are coming from - in the Charismania camp, the focus is on us. As I listened to RC Sproul, first, then others, like the Kozars, I discovered that I had no view of God- who He is. Pretty much I thought that Jesus died so I could live better. Justin Peters pointed out the silliness of "Kings Kids Parking". I do believe that every good and perfect gift is from God and I am grateful for all the good in my life, including parking spaces, but I no longer believe that He is interested in the minute details of my life, He cares, yes, but what He cares most about me is that I worship Him in spirit and truth. He is God and why He does what He does is beyond my ability. Who would want to serve a God we can fully understand? We don't understand one another, even our children, so how can we understand a sovereign God. We want to, yes, but He reveals things in His own time. (I am here trying to put my beliefs in a nutshell). I am responding to your comment "God chose the damned before the foundation of the word". We are all damned because of the fall; He chose, in His sovereignty, those He chose to be His sons and daughters. Some people say this same truth in a different way - He looked across time and saw those that would choose Him. But I believe that God calls us - we aren't looking for Him. I'm not very good at expressing my thoughts, but wanted to give you a different view of what God chose before the foundation of the world. We will both find truth in our reading of the Word of God - something we did before with preconceived notions about what it said, at least I did - Hagin, Copeland, etc. They sounded so sure and I believed them. Now I have to unlearn everything.....but it's so precious, isn't it?, being in His Word with freedom?
I've listened to Moody Radio since I was in 10th grade. Now I'm a millennial. I especially like Erwin Lutzer, Mark Jobe, The Land & The Book, & Open Line w/Michael Rydelnick. 🙂
Oh my gosh!!!! So excited! Haven’t even watched this video yet but I am so excited just based on the title! So tired of false teachers saying, “You can’t put God in a box!”
Ask them "Does God commit evil? Does God make gravity stop working? Does God turn into an elephant and fly around the sky?" If they say no, accuse them of putting God in a box 😂
Listening to your convo tonight makes me think of how we have seen a “dumbing down” of what is taught in many American churches at the same time as the “dumbing down” of the government education system. Both institutions have gone after what’s “new”. From a member of your Auburn Alabama campus ;)
"dumbing down"... That includes saying what we have been bombarded with across the board, that black is white, grass isn't green, the world is flat, a man can identify as a rodent, a girl can say she's a guy, a dude can get pregnant, and if you say otherwords- YOU become the stupid, intelligent one not knowing good from evil
But our basic interpretive framework is more like the stuff we are born with. We use an interpretive framework to learn to walk and speak; this is why we are said to "construct" our reality. We have to build a framework for storing memory, in the basic memory storing system God has given us. There's nothing wrong with that. But that doesn't mean that we have to give ourselves to any, or every, framework that comes down the pike, and the more authoritarian, the more dangerous. Jesus called the boxes built by Pharisees the "traditions of men", which He said they had elevated over the word of God: they "made the word of God of no effect", because of their human traditions. This is a danger signal, but we will always be herded toward whatever human tradition has been established, even if it's a Hillsong extravaganza.
@@lindajohnson4204 Since a very young age we are building our interpretive framework along with the help of others, consciously or not. So, if we rely only on our own (especially as adults reading the bible), we can fool ourselves into thinking our interpretive framework is pure/100% our own/100% of the Holy Spirit. Since God wants us to have a sound mind (as well as the Holy Spirit), we should be careful about only relying only on our own interpretive framework and perspective and understanding. Because like it or not, we are all taking in information from all of our surroundings. That said, as a critical thinker and so on, I agree that we must then weigh what we're told internally, not just accept or reject external concepts/words/ideas.
@restorative-waves For all the damage the fans of authoritarian religion say results from every person reading his or her own Bible and asking the Holy Spirit to guide them, it is nothing like the damage that has been created by authoritarian religion, and is still being created by them. People who make arguments against our personally seeking God's truth and believing thst the Holy Spirit will guide us, neglect to give what Jesus said any credibility. Apparently, He didn't know what He was talking about. He said the Spirit would guide us into all truth? But if people want to call just any spirits the Holy Spirit, refusing to test the spirits to see if they are of God, is the doctrine that Jesus spoke, that the Holy Spirit would be sent to guide us into all truth, a lie? If what Jesus said was a lie, why bother pretending to believe in Him? He didn't tell us to believe that just everything that comes into our head is the Holy Spirit. Just the opposite. If we push His wisdom out of the way, His wisdom is not to blame. I do not see that we are better off just kowtowing to whatever has a gloss or appearance of learning. So often today people follow everything that gives them the look of a person of learning, caring little that the authority they are believing in is nothing but the imprimatur of Rome, or some other worldly appearance of authority that they think will rub off on them. I would rather believe in the guiding into all truth by the Holy Spirit, and honestly seek it, than just kowtow to doctrines taught by people who don't even believe the things they teach. That is true of Rome, and that also the mainline denominations. I think they are the blind leading the blind into the same trap people have fallen for repeatedly, not because they believe in the Holy Spirit, but because they do not. And if the devil has done the Wily Coyote thing again, and has plastered detour signs all over the truth, and has labeled his own lies as the truth, why give in and believe him, when a little testing the spirits to see if they are of God would reveal that his way is the lie, so easily? I find that this appeal to human authority always leads to the pit, where no one but Gid will care thar we fell in, and I've already been there, and I find nothing trustworthy about these religious leaders at all. I didn't get out of the pit because I became a religious partisan in these dialectical games they play. I got out because I looked to the very real Holy Spirit to lead me out. I took God to be real, and His word as real.
@@StevenKozarMessedUpChurch The confessions of Reformed Covenant Theology do not contain the term "New Covenant". Why not? The term does come from the Bible. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below. New Covenant Whole Gospel: Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him. He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. 1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. Watch the TH-cam videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
The hardest part of a Christian’s journey is figuring out which teachers truly understand how the Bible is meant to be taught. Life is tough being a practicing Christian nowadays. For many reasons. The Confessional Lutheran church seems to be a good option though. God bless you all on your journey and may you find the true Gospel ❤
Lutheranism is antichrist, Roman Catholic lite, and doesn't have the gospel, blasphemes the ordinances, and isn't even a Biblical New Testament church. And that applies to all of the Lutheran branches.
To the praise of His glory God made me His own. There are no words to describe how grateful I am. I have done things in my life that are unspeakable but He made me His own despite my sin. Does anyone else feel this way?
Loved the content. Was a bit frustrated that the guest didn’t get to very often finish his thoughts before Steve started talking. I know that he and Colette do this all the time, but there were quite a few times were the guest set up his thought, and he was cut off and was guided in another direction. Colette doesn’t always get to finish her points either. I am just saying. Hit the bar should have been the title, sorry Steve. Just so you know this is one of my favourite channel and always will be.
@@lancegoodall5911 1 Corinthians 13:12 -"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." As finite beings, we cannot see and know God fully in all His resplendent glory here and now. Many things are still hidden (or boxed, if you will 😉)
@@SuenoTinguis I don’t disagree but the point of the earlier comment was that we restrict God to the one identified in HIS word, which is fine to a point. Take Paul’s prayer for he desires the Ephesians to know For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, 16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; 17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, 18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; 19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.- Eph 3:14-19
Great video Steve, the thing is charismatics put God in a box and they go to that box to pull out all the gifts that they want whenever they want it Such as prophesying speaking in tongues, healing Etc they see God as a gift that keeps on giving ! They have the understanding That the Holy Spirit Is a Spiritual vending machine
I've always thought something was wrong with my conversion because, unlike other Christians, I can't tell you exactly when I was saved. Because it wasn't because of a prayer I prayed. It was because over a period of time, the gospel was revealed to me by God drawing me and the Holy Spirit giving me understanding, and at some point I understood and embraced Jesus and began to repent of sin in my life and follow Him.
Amen! The American church has misled many people regarding being "born again." In John 3, Jesus makes it clear that the birth from above is a mysterious work of the Holy Spirit. We see the results of it, but the process is a mystery. We are born of water (baptism) and the Spirit, as Jesus told Nicodemus.
Brother Steve, when I see a new video from you, I watch it. Sometimes it's good to just listen and learn the truth about God, via a Bible study (kind'a what this is), as opposed to learning about God by showing what's untrue or what NOT to do (I hope that makes sense). I love Pastor Darrel and I'm so glad y'all are doing this series.
I’m so glad you’re doing this series! I am in the situation you explained. Left a bad church. Now I don’t know where to go or which denomination to trust. I’ve been leaning heavily toward Lutheran or Presbyterian (maybe it’s the same I don’t even know) so thank you for doing this. 😊
Hi Steve & guest. Greetings from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺 Rest assured the Law Gospel distinction has a robust history in Reformed church tradition. Thanks again for your efforts to inform folks on TH-cam. Keep up your good work. Andrew
Distinction between Law and Gospel is not just a reformed tradition it is also a core tenet of the Lutheran tradition, and the reformation in general. It's something that modern Christians often fail to grasp at all
Really enjoyed this. It may not get as many views as the other stuff but it is teaching people who are teaching others. So the impact is beyound what you can see. Proper biblical teaching is the best remedy against false teachers.
Who said this wasn't funny? Your jokes and sarcasm always keep me laughing in a good way. Thanks for another awesome video! Looking forward to the rest of the series.
Thank you for taking up this vital theme. I know your viewers will be rewarded by earnest attention to this series. I am so thankful for the Hermeneutical education both my wife and I received in our collegiate years. Having Gods' Truth be discernable is one of the great settling elements in our lives.
My main takeaway from this excellent discussion is a strengthened view of the value of the gift of salvation. If salvation is 100% from and because of God, and nothing of my own effort or action, doesn't that increase the value of that gift to me? And understanding that, is both freeing and constraining. Well, maybe constraining is too strong a word - compelling? I am freed from the weight of having to do anything to earn my salvation, but am compelled, because of my heightened sense of the value of God's gift, to "work out [my] salvation with fear and trembling for it is God who works in [me] to will and to act according to His good purpose" (Php 2:12-13)... meaning I treat that gift with respect and treasure it to the point where I would never willingly do anything to reject it or ruin it or lose it or ...
Yes, and knowing that God did everything to save me, and there is nothing in me to cause him to do that, totally humbles me and leads me to bow before God in worship and thanksgiving.
The faith discussion was very interesting to me. Recently as I’ve been going through trials of many kinds the Lord has been teaching me what I truly contribute to faith-nothing. I hated God and He saved me. If I give myself 1% of credit than I lower God as your friend said. Once I began to understand that I noticed John MacArthur sermons made more sense, some of your topical discussions made more sense, reading the Bible made more sense. I’m currently reading “The Person and Work of the Holy Spirit” By R.A. Torrey and the first chapter talked about our zero contribution to our salvation.
Please don't worry about the number of views your videos get. This one has had 3.5K views and it's only been up 11 hours! That's 3.5K people who hadn't seen it before because it wasn't posted. There are people watching them who are getting a lot from them. Thank you. And even if people don't watch them now, they will be there for people to watch in the future if they choose to do so.
Kozar I know you were concerned about people not watching this video over others but man this was one of my absolute favorites. Such great education and talking points here, I learned so much from you and Daryl. Also appreciate the small comedies you interjected here and there....uhhhhh hallelujah 😂😂😂
FYI: at the end of this video, an ad popped up on starting a guided meditation business. I don't know if you can control that, but I wanted to pointed out just in case.
Well heyyyy lol Spencer Smith has his God box on his desk as well. He's had it there for several months to make ppl like "WHAAAATTTT! God can't be put in a box!" but yeah lol He put Himself there.
Hi Steve, Thanks for this video it is great. Doctrine, objective truths of the Bible, history, grammatical understanding, proper hermeneutics ... It's only dry and dusty to someone who doesn't understand it or is ignorant (takes one to know one). Thanks be to God that I have come out of this whirly twirly movement and have found a "safe haven" if you'll excuse the pun, in the secure shores of God's written word.
Steve (and Daryl), Great Courses is still around, and anything that is offered that pertains to Christianity is absolutely of the liberal persuasion. Not that some thing could be learned, but when it comes to the theology of their teachers, it is not Scriptural (in the classic Protestantism) nor Confessional. BTW: Anglicans (I am one in America) are not confessional; they are creedal (which is good) but creedal only. So many of the problems that the various Continuing provinces experience would be relieved if they were confessional. In England, pastoral candidates used to be required to hold to the 39 Articles. In the US, after independence, Anglicans were not required to do so. Anglo-Catholics here have rejected some of the Articles. This was a excellent video! You two are an excellent team.
Hi there! Steve, love your channel, thanks a lot! Appreciate what you‘re doing. Yet watching this episode I couldn’t help but drop my very first (constructive…!) comment ever: It would be helpful if you let your interview partner speak more. You often interrupt him, so that he unfortunately cannot finish what he has on his mind…! Regards! Toby
This is awesome. Challenge: Ask your non-denom friends to tell you who each person of the trinity is and what they do. I may have one of my non-confessional /non-denominational friends who can accurately describe the Trinity. And I live in the buckle of the Bible Belt.
Such a good conversation! Thank you both for your time and energy. I am not Lutheran however I definitely learned a bunch from your video. I have a commnet on the irresistible grace topic. I don't try to come to any conclusion except I do really wonder how anyone could reject the "true" gospel. Idk. I see people rejecting his grace by not knowing who God is to begin with. Just my little ponderings. I dont have it all figured out. 😂
Super helpful interview, thank you both so much ! Are you able to recommend a good church history book ? I know there’s a lot out there. I am from the Syriac Orthodox Church which claims to be one of the oldest churches that formed. There’s a lot of focus on preserving history and tradition which I used to criticize a lot but have learned to appreciate as I got older after witnessing so much heresy.
"Psalm 107 is about God's goodness and delivering men, the psalmist uses natural instances to not only show that God has power over nature, but also to show that God will deliver us from our or through our distresses. Does God only deliver us from wandering in the wilderness, only from a storm on the sea? " Whoever is wise will observe these things and they will understand the loving kindness of the Lord." Psalm 107:43
Yes, the church I grew up in was a Calvary Chapel church which is non denominational, but all the people that attended often said they would only go to a Calvary Chapel church because they knew it was a church where they would hear solid biblical teaching. I heard people say this at Calvary Chapels n several different states, to me it was almost cult like how adamant they were about only attending Calvary Chapels.
My ears perked up when you mentioned the application of Scripture and how to apply it. I've heard it said that individuals can apply a different meaning multiple times to the same Scripture. This has never made sense to me.
Just Google these creeds: Apostles' Creed; Nicene Creed; Athanasian Creed. These are the three so-called "Ecumenical Creeds" that many church bodies subscribe to.
I know it's silly,but when you said we should be doing EXACTLY what Jesus did,I laughed and pictured going around and putting mud in people's eyes who have sight problems.
It's whatever you get from the Church in its teaching office. Some protestant sects have more shared ancestry some less. Some groups that claim to be Christian don't even follow the Church on the trinity because even where the Bible is "explicit" that means there is a lot implicit knowledge in your tradition that is right, and the former groups have diverged so far from the Church they don't even have that on the most fundamental things
1:04:58 You guys should be more explicit that it is not all of salvation that is without works (or monergistic) it is justification that is monergistic. Our Sanctification IS synergistic or works accompanying. After we have been justified and we have a clear understanding of God’s work in that endeavour we will express love to him by the obedience of faith.
@@keltay188 yes it is making up a new one. The bread and wine was given to us as a reminder, not a cross. Where is the bread and wine in the cross? When you tear off a piece of bread, that is a reminder of His body being broken. The red wine is His blood. Jesus said, do this in remembrance of Me, not hang a cross on the wall
@@krakoosh1 Jesus also said to "take up your cross daily". He did not say that we are not to have anything to remind us to do that. There are many things not expressly talked about in scripture but we can use biblical principles and wisdom to evaluate if they are good to do or not. For example, Jesus never said anything about driving a car. Does that mean we shouldnt drive cars?
Hi Steve, I am your regular listener. You are simply great. Yet, sometimes you speak like a machine gun - and too much. You should let your guest also have his/her thoughts to be expressed in their overall totality without interruption or taking the lead. Just a friendly note 😊
I sometimes answer, "The box is for us humans. Sheep wandering outside the pen are in danger of attack so God tells us to stay inside where we're safe. The Shepherd may come and go as he pleases, but our instructions are to stay put where he designates."
Saying "God is in a box" is basically saying 1 Corinthians 4:6 is a lie and that the canon isnt closed
Regarding your comments at the end, how could anyone NOT want to watch this video. I work while listening. It surpasses sports, politics, entertainment, how to videos..
Thank you so much, Paul!!
It’s me with the comments. At least you know I’m listening to what your discussing. I really love you two Kozarz. I was in Charismania for 50 years. It was so hard seeing the craziness (Rodney Howard Browne) and not knowing where to turn. I stayed in my denomination and turned to Moody Radio. Then I found out most radio preachers are Calvinists. I did not know there was such a thing. Then I found out Calvinists are Determinists and God chose the damned before the foundation of the world. Leaving my denomination was hard. Finding a non Calvinistic church was hard. Im having a tough time. I wouldn’t sit under Calvinist teaching any more than I would sit under Joseph Smith teaching. I was married to my denomination and it took years to walk away from it. I just want truth.
I can sure understand where you are coming from - in the Charismania camp, the focus is on us. As I listened to RC Sproul, first, then others, like the Kozars, I discovered that I had no view of God- who He is. Pretty much I thought that Jesus died so I could live better. Justin Peters pointed out the silliness of "Kings Kids Parking". I do believe that every good and perfect gift is from God and I am grateful for all the good in my life, including parking spaces, but I no longer believe that He is interested in the minute details of my life, He cares, yes, but what He cares most about me is that I worship Him in spirit and truth. He is God and why He does what He does is beyond my ability. Who would want to serve a God we can fully understand? We don't understand one another, even our children, so how can we understand a sovereign God. We want to, yes, but He reveals things in His own time. (I am here trying to put my beliefs in a nutshell). I am responding to your comment "God chose the damned before the foundation of the word". We are all damned because of the fall; He chose, in His sovereignty, those He chose to be His sons and daughters. Some people say this same truth in a different way - He looked across time and saw those that would choose Him. But I believe that God calls us - we aren't looking for Him. I'm not very good at expressing my thoughts, but wanted to give you a different view of what God chose before the foundation of the world. We will both find truth in our reading of the Word of God - something we did before with preconceived notions about what it said, at least I did - Hagin, Copeland, etc. They sounded so sure and I believed them. Now I have to unlearn everything.....but it's so precious, isn't it?, being in His Word with freedom?
I've listened to Moody Radio since I was in 10th grade. Now I'm a millennial. I especially like Erwin Lutzer, Mark Jobe, The Land & The Book, & Open Line w/Michael Rydelnick. 🙂
Oh my gosh!!!! So excited! Haven’t even watched this video yet but I am so excited just based on the title! So tired of false teachers saying, “You can’t put God in a box!”
My exact same thought! 🙏✌🏼
What does that even mean really? "For my thoughts are not your thoughts... declares the Lord." Isa 55:8
Thanks for your encouragement and excitement!!
Ask them "Does God commit evil? Does God make gravity stop working? Does God turn into an elephant and fly around the sky?"
If they say no, accuse them of putting God in a box 😂
Listening to your convo tonight makes me think of how we have seen a “dumbing down” of what is taught in many American churches at the same time as the “dumbing down” of the government education system. Both institutions have gone after what’s “new”.
From a member of your Auburn Alabama campus ;)
Yes, dumbing down is happening in many spheres of society. Thanks for watching and "shout out to our awesome Auburn Alabama Campus!"
"dumbing down"... That includes saying what we have been bombarded with across the board, that black is white, grass isn't green, the world is flat, a man can identify as a rodent, a girl can say she's a guy, a dude can get pregnant, and if you say otherwords- YOU become the stupid, intelligent one not knowing good from evil
"If you say you don't want an interpretive framework, that means you simply want to use your own interpretive framework." Gold!
But our basic interpretive framework is more like the stuff we are born with. We use an interpretive framework to learn to walk and speak; this is why we are said to "construct" our reality. We have to build a framework for storing memory, in the basic memory storing system God has given us. There's nothing wrong with that. But that doesn't mean that we have to give ourselves to any, or every, framework that comes down the pike, and the more authoritarian, the more dangerous. Jesus called the boxes built by Pharisees the "traditions of men", which He said they had elevated over the word of God: they "made the word of God of no effect", because of their human traditions. This is a danger signal, but we will always be herded toward whatever human tradition has been established, even if it's a Hillsong extravaganza.
@@lindajohnson4204 Since a very young age we are building our interpretive framework along with the help of others, consciously or not. So, if we rely only on our own (especially as adults reading the bible), we can fool ourselves into thinking our interpretive framework is pure/100% our own/100% of the Holy Spirit. Since God wants us to have a sound mind (as well as the Holy Spirit), we should be careful about only relying only on our own interpretive framework and perspective and understanding. Because like it or not, we are all taking in information from all of our surroundings.
That said, as a critical thinker and so on, I agree that we must then weigh what we're told internally, not just accept or reject external concepts/words/ideas.
@restorative-waves For all the damage the fans of authoritarian religion say results from every person reading his or her own Bible and asking the Holy Spirit to guide them, it is nothing like the damage that has been created by authoritarian religion, and is still being created by them. People who make arguments against our personally seeking God's truth and believing thst the Holy Spirit will guide us, neglect to give what Jesus said any credibility. Apparently, He didn't know what He was talking about. He said the Spirit would guide us into all truth? But if people want to call just any spirits the Holy Spirit, refusing to test the spirits to see if they are of God, is the doctrine that Jesus spoke, that the Holy Spirit would be sent to guide us into all truth, a lie? If what Jesus said was a lie, why bother pretending to believe in Him? He didn't tell us to believe that just everything that comes into our head is the Holy Spirit. Just the opposite. If we push His wisdom out of the way, His wisdom is not to blame. I do not see that we are better off just kowtowing to whatever has a gloss or appearance of learning. So often today people follow everything that gives them the look of a person of learning, caring little that the authority they are believing in is nothing but the imprimatur of Rome, or some other worldly appearance of authority that they think will rub off on them. I would rather believe in the guiding into all truth by the Holy Spirit, and honestly seek it, than just kowtow to
doctrines taught by people who don't even believe the things they teach. That is true of Rome, and that also the mainline denominations. I think they are the blind leading the blind into the same trap people have fallen for repeatedly, not because they believe in the Holy Spirit, but because they do not. And if the devil has done the Wily Coyote thing again, and has plastered detour signs all over the truth, and has labeled his own lies as the truth, why give in and believe him, when a little testing the spirits to see if they are of God would reveal that his way is the lie, so easily? I find that this appeal to human authority always leads to the pit, where no one but Gid will care thar we fell in, and I've already been there, and I find nothing trustworthy about these religious leaders at all. I didn't get out of the pit because I became a religious partisan in these dialectical games they play. I got out because I looked to the very real Holy Spirit to lead me out. I took God to be real, and His word as real.
Steve & Darrel, thank you so much for your commitment to the TRUTH! Your discussion here today is of great benefit. Thanks again!
Thanks for watching and for your encouragement, Katherine!
@@StevenKozarMessedUpChurch The confessions of Reformed Covenant Theology do not contain the term "New Covenant". Why not? The term does come from the Bible.
Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary.
What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below.
New Covenant Whole Gospel:
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
Watch the TH-cam videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
I love ligonier ministries!
Great video.
The hardest part of a Christian’s journey is figuring out which teachers truly understand how the Bible is meant to be taught. Life is tough being a practicing Christian nowadays. For many reasons. The Confessional Lutheran church seems to be a good option though. God bless you all on your journey and may you find the true Gospel ❤
Lutheranism is antichrist, Roman Catholic lite, and doesn't have the gospel, blasphemes the ordinances, and isn't even a Biblical New Testament church. And that applies to all of the Lutheran branches.
To the praise of His glory God made me His own. There are no words to describe how grateful I am. I have done things in my life that are unspeakable but He made me His own despite my sin. Does anyone else feel this way?
Loved the content. Was a bit frustrated that the guest didn’t get to very often finish his thoughts before Steve started talking. I know that he and Colette do this all the time, but there were quite a few times were the guest set up his thought, and he was cut off and was guided in another direction. Colette doesn’t always get to finish her points either. I am just saying. Hit the bar should have been the title, sorry Steve. Just so you know this is one of my favourite channel and always will be.
God has put Himself in a box for now for our own good and safety...it's called the Bible! We can enjoy Him "unboxed" when we get to Heaven!
THIS IS THE BEST AND MOST TRUE COMMENT OF THEM ALL! TOTALLY AGREE!!
Amen.
Wrong...we can enjoy God unboxed through the box of the bible
@@lancegoodall5911 1 Corinthians 13:12 -"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known."
As finite beings, we cannot see and know God fully in all His resplendent glory here and now. Many things are still hidden (or boxed, if you will 😉)
@@SuenoTinguis I don’t disagree but the point of the earlier comment was that we restrict God to the one identified in HIS word, which is fine to a point. Take Paul’s prayer for he desires the Ephesians to know
For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.- Eph 3:14-19
Great video Steve, the thing is charismatics put God in a box and they go to that box to pull out all the gifts that they want whenever they want it Such as prophesying speaking in tongues, healing Etc they see God as a gift that keeps on giving ! They have the understanding That the Holy Spirit Is a Spiritual vending machine
It's more like they have the wrong box they try to put God into.
Exactly and it's fake on top of it
I've always thought something was wrong with my conversion because, unlike other Christians, I can't tell you exactly when I was saved. Because it wasn't because of a prayer I prayed. It was because over a period of time, the gospel was revealed to me by God drawing me and the Holy Spirit giving me understanding, and at some point I understood and embraced Jesus and began to repent of sin in my life and follow Him.
Amen! The American church has misled many people regarding being "born again." In John 3, Jesus makes it clear that the birth from above is a mysterious work of the Holy Spirit. We see the results of it, but the process is a mystery. We are born of water (baptism) and the Spirit, as Jesus told Nicodemus.
Me too! Well put!
Very helpful
Thank you, Mr. Kozar and Mr. Rahfeldt.
Dude ! Did you know you're an accomplished artist, too? It blew my mind today when I discovered your water color.
Brother Steve, when I see a new video from you, I watch it. Sometimes it's good to just listen and learn the truth about God, via a Bible study (kind'a what this is), as opposed to learning about God by showing what's untrue or what NOT to do (I hope that makes sense). I love Pastor Darrel and I'm so glad y'all are doing this series.
Thanks so much Mary!!
I’m so glad you’re doing this series! I am in the situation you explained. Left a bad church. Now I don’t know where to go or which denomination to trust. I’ve been leaning heavily toward Lutheran or Presbyterian (maybe it’s the same I don’t even know) so thank you for doing this. 😊
I'm looking forward to watching more videos from this series. It's much needed in a time that's full of biblical illiteracy. God bless you both.
Thank you very much!
I want more of this, too
This is great!!
Great broadcast
Thank you for this series. Very important.
thank you
Thank you so much!👏🏼🙌🏽
You are very welcome!!
Hi Steve & guest.
Greetings from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺
Rest assured the Law Gospel distinction has a robust history in Reformed church tradition.
Thanks again for your efforts to inform folks on TH-cam. Keep up your good work.
Andrew
Distinction between Law and Gospel is not just a reformed tradition it is also a core tenet of the Lutheran tradition, and the reformation in general. It's something that modern Christians often fail to grasp at all
Really enjoyed this. It may not get as many views as the other stuff but it is teaching people who are teaching others. So the impact is beyound what you can see. Proper biblical teaching is the best remedy against false teachers.
Thank you for this!
Who said this wasn't funny? Your jokes and sarcasm always keep me laughing in a good way. Thanks for another awesome video! Looking forward to the rest of the series.
Thank God for this and thank you so much for this.
Good job guys 😊
Thank you for all your hard work, gentlemen, you are so appreciated!
Love from the Midcoast Maine Campus,
Deb
"Shout out to our Midcoast Maine Campus!!"
Very good!! Looking forward to the next one!
Thank you for taking up this vital theme. I know your viewers will be rewarded by earnest attention to this series. I am so thankful for the Hermeneutical education both my wife and I received in our collegiate years. Having Gods' Truth be discernable is one of the great settling elements in our lives.
This will be very helpful.
Great discussion, SK!
LOVED this video ... better than the "silly ones" thank you Steve 🤩👍
My main takeaway from this excellent discussion is a strengthened view of the value of the gift of salvation. If salvation is 100% from and because of God, and nothing of my own effort or action, doesn't that increase the value of that gift to me?
And understanding that, is both freeing and constraining. Well, maybe constraining is too strong a word - compelling? I am freed from the weight of having to do anything to earn my salvation, but am compelled, because of my heightened sense of the value of God's gift, to "work out [my] salvation with fear and trembling for it is God who works in [me] to will and to act according to His good purpose" (Php 2:12-13)... meaning I treat that gift with respect and treasure it to the point where I would never willingly do anything to reject it or ruin it or lose it or ...
Those are some really great thoughts, Marko-thank you so much for watching and sharing your ideas!!
Yes, and knowing that God did everything to save me, and there is nothing in me to cause him to do that, totally humbles me and leads me to bow before God in worship and thanksgiving.
I thought walking on the water and calming the storm were two separate events. Now I’m gonna need to read it. 😊
Great video. Thank you.
thank you for your time Brothers!
God Bless you Guys!
The faith discussion was very interesting to me. Recently as I’ve been going through trials of many kinds the Lord has been teaching me what I truly contribute to faith-nothing. I hated God and He saved me. If I give myself 1% of credit than I lower God as your friend said. Once I began to understand that I noticed John MacArthur sermons made more sense, some of your topical discussions made more sense, reading the Bible made more sense.
I’m currently reading “The Person and Work of the Holy Spirit” By R.A. Torrey and the first chapter talked about our zero contribution to our salvation.
I absolutely love this. I look forward to seeing more from you two!
So very helpful! Ty!!
Sure to be a big help. Thank you both!
Thanks so much for watching, Lindsey!
Please don't worry about the number of views your videos get. This one has had 3.5K views and it's only been up 11 hours! That's 3.5K people who hadn't seen it before because it wasn't posted. There are people watching them who are getting a lot from them. Thank you. And even if people don't watch them now, they will be there for people to watch in the future if they choose to do so.
Thanks for the encouragement, Jo!
Kozar I know you were concerned about people not watching this video over others but man this was one of my absolute favorites. Such great education and talking points here, I learned so much from you and Daryl. Also appreciate the small comedies you interjected here and there....uhhhhh hallelujah 😂😂😂
Very helpful. Thanks.
FYI: at the end of this video, an ad popped up on starting a guided meditation business. I don't know if you can control that, but I wanted to pointed out just in case.
Hi Steve!
Thank you for this content. Blessings from South Australia 🇦🇺.
Well heyyyy lol Spencer Smith has his God box on his desk as well. He's had it there for several months to make ppl like "WHAAAATTTT! God can't be put in a box!" but yeah lol He put Himself there.
Thanks
Awesome. It's good to make videos of all the buzz phrases word of faither's use
Word of faither --> word of faith. (I think.)
I always enjoy watching your website. How much coffee did you when you had this interview, Steve?
I love this format you have and can hardly wait for the next one
david
The Church is the assembly of the sanctified ones. Also, doctrine is extremely important
I’m excited to see what you guys are going to bring us!
Thanks so much, Janet!
Wonderful series, Kozars! Brother Daryl is such an asset! Thank you from South Africa.
Hi Steve,
Thanks for this video it is great. Doctrine, objective truths of the Bible, history, grammatical understanding, proper hermeneutics ... It's only dry and dusty to someone who doesn't understand it or is ignorant (takes one to know one). Thanks be to God that I have come out of this whirly twirly movement and have found a "safe haven" if you'll excuse the pun, in the secure shores of God's written word.
Great job guys! I’m so glad you took the time to start this series and spread the truth!
Excellent, thanks very much for this.🙏🙏💜
First heard about God in a box from spencer smith, doctrine matters
Hi Steve. I'm 24 mins in. Can you let the other guy speak, please (!) 😮
Steve (and Daryl), Great Courses is still around, and anything that is offered that pertains to Christianity is absolutely of the liberal persuasion. Not that some thing could be learned, but when it comes to the theology of their teachers, it is not Scriptural (in the classic Protestantism) nor Confessional. BTW: Anglicans (I am one in America) are not confessional; they are creedal (which is good) but creedal only. So many of the problems that the various Continuing provinces experience would be relieved if they were confessional. In England, pastoral candidates used to be required to hold to the 39 Articles. In the US, after independence, Anglicans were not required to do so. Anglo-Catholics here have rejected some of the Articles.
This was a excellent video! You two are an excellent team.
This is your best video yet.
Hi there! Steve, love your channel, thanks a lot! Appreciate what you‘re doing.
Yet watching this episode I couldn’t help but drop my very first (constructive…!) comment ever:
It would be helpful if you let your interview partner speak more. You often interrupt him, so that he unfortunately cannot finish what he has on his mind…!
Regards!
Toby
Shout out from your Wiggins campus 😊
"Shout out to our AWESOME Wiggins Campus!!"
This is awesome.
Challenge: Ask your non-denom friends to tell you who each person of the trinity is and what they do. I may have one of my non-confessional /non-denominational friends who can accurately describe the Trinity. And I live in the buckle of the Bible Belt.
I always say They are God and we are not. Jesus is the image of the invisible God. The Spirit reveals Jesus.
@@marilynmitchell2712 Nice and simple!
Shout out from Newcastle, Australia.
I listened to this twice. Looking forward to part 2. Does Darrel have a channel?
No, I don't have a channel. I am "low tech!" I let Steve do all the hard work, and just help out with his.
@@darylrahfeldt2162 Well, I hope you two team up on a regular basis because you spoke on several points that I have had questions about. Thank you!
Such a good conversation! Thank you both for your time and energy. I am not Lutheran however I definitely learned a bunch from your video. I have a commnet on the irresistible grace topic. I don't try to come to any conclusion except I do really wonder how anyone could reject the "true" gospel. Idk. I see people rejecting his grace by not knowing who God is to begin with. Just my little ponderings. I dont have it all figured out. 😂
Steve, you keep interrupting your guest😂
Cool, church history! I wonder if you'll be reading any writings of the early Christians like the Didache or Ignatius of Antioch!
Great discussion, thank you! Shout out from your Pennsylvania campus!
YAY!
Great Courses are now advertised on TV, like Prime Video and perhaps Roku. Just saw an advertisement the other day.
Hey Steve, is that whiteboard from your Amway days? I have one around somewhere from my network marketing pyramid scheme days.😬
Nope. Look at that nice frame-we never had anything like that in Amway!
Steve made the white board from a picture frame, some white paper, and a piece of glass.
Super helpful interview, thank you both so much ! Are you able to recommend a good church history book ? I know there’s a lot out there. I am from the Syriac Orthodox Church which claims to be one of the oldest churches that formed. There’s a lot of focus on preserving history and tradition which I used to criticize a lot but have learned to appreciate as I got older after witnessing so much heresy.
"Psalm 107 is about God's goodness and delivering men, the psalmist uses natural instances to not only show that God has power over nature, but also to show that God will deliver us from our or through our distresses. Does God only deliver us from wandering in the wilderness, only from a storm on the sea? " Whoever is wise will observe these things and they will understand the loving kindness of the Lord." Psalm 107:43
I think the Bible is to help teach us about God, as well as the story of humanity's redemption from sin.
West Michigan Campus saying Hello 👋🏻
Me too:)
43:10 We’re all going to confirm our biases.
Then who can be saved?
With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.
I usually have one if your videos playing on my tv when I go to sleep background noise lol
The book is The Greatest Salesman (it might not be the actual title) by Bruce Barton.
"Don't put God in a box", and don't pull Him out of the box He put Himself into.
Yes, the church I grew up in was a Calvary Chapel church which is non denominational, but all the people that attended often said they would only go to a Calvary Chapel church because they knew it was a church where they would hear solid biblical teaching. I heard people say this at Calvary Chapels n several different states, to me it was almost cult like how adamant they were about only attending Calvary Chapels.
SAving : Romans 10:9-10 , I confessed , He saved.
Tortulian introduced Trinity as the title for the Father, Son , and Holy Spirit.
My ears perked up when you mentioned the application of Scripture and how to apply it. I've heard it said that individuals can apply a different meaning multiple times to the same Scripture. This has never made sense to me.
Joke: How do you know a serial killer is religious? He studies the Book of Ax!
🤭 terrible
May I please have a link to read about a creed? never heard of it before this episode,Thank you :)
Just Google these creeds: Apostles' Creed; Nicene Creed; Athanasian Creed. These are the three so-called "Ecumenical Creeds" that many church bodies subscribe to.
I know it's silly,but when you said we should be doing EXACTLY what Jesus did,I laughed and pictured going around and putting mud in people's eyes who have sight problems.
Or overturning the (paid) café at some Christian churches 🤭
@@MillennialForChrist Very true. Haha
It's whatever you get from the Church in its teaching office. Some protestant sects have more shared ancestry some less. Some groups that claim to be Christian don't even follow the Church on the trinity because even where the Bible is "explicit" that means there is a lot implicit knowledge in your tradition that is right, and the former groups have diverged so far from the Church they don't even have that on the most fundamental things
The Bible is our final authority
The story of Jesus being asleep on the boat is a separate story to when He walks on the water. It is clearly two separate stories.
Hermeneutics for fun and inspiration
1:04:58 You guys should be more explicit that it is not all of salvation that is without works (or monergistic) it is justification that is monergistic. Our Sanctification IS synergistic or works accompanying. After we have been justified and we have a clear understanding of God’s work in that endeavour we will express love to him by the obedience of faith.
You say a cross is to remind us of what Jesus did for us. That is what Jesus did in giving us the breaking of the bread and wine. That is our reminder
Can't they both be reminders?
@@keltay188 Jesus us gave us one. Why do we have to make up new ones. The bread and wine are more symbolic than a bare cross.
@@krakoosh1 it's not making up a new one, he suffered and died on a cross. It can be a reminder of that
@@keltay188 yes it is making up a new one. The bread and wine was given to us as a reminder, not a cross. Where is the bread and wine in the cross? When you tear off a piece of bread, that is a reminder of His body being broken. The red wine is His blood. Jesus said, do this in remembrance of Me, not hang a cross on the wall
@@krakoosh1 Jesus also said to "take up your cross daily". He did not say that we are not to have anything to remind us to do that. There are many things not expressly talked about in scripture but we can use biblical principles and wisdom to evaluate if they are good to do or not. For example, Jesus never said anything about driving a car. Does that mean we shouldnt drive cars?
Hi Steve, I am your regular listener. You are simply great. Yet, sometimes you speak like a machine gun - and too much. You should let your guest also have his/her thoughts to be expressed in their overall totality without interruption or taking the lead. Just a friendly note 😊