@@savontelewis951Yeah, by fighting a reality stone absorbed Malekieth. Malekieth was going to plunge the nine realms into darkeness just by using the reality stone.
@@KeyIssues the infinity stones have nothing to do with Thanos strength unless he uses them to augment his strength. He wasn’t using them to do that at all. As for what vision is made out of. We have no idea if he more or less durable than caps shield. The black panther suit is technically a weave but it has high durability, so the point is moot.
I need Thor to have some cold moments in future installments. The man is a beast in comics and we deserve to see Chris Hemsworth show how much of a chad he is
@@sherlockwayne5407 Humans have impressive strength and can break very solid objects just because we have 1 fight and dont cause that much damage it doesn't mean I still can't punch a hole in the wall or break wood, get it? Gorr is not trying to destroy stars or destroy the planet his main goal is simlly to kill all Gods.
Gorr wasn't disappointing but the special affects for him were clearly rushed or lacked imagination. Evidently they wanted us to simply get where they were coming from instead of combing through their depiction with a fine tooth comb. As for the writing of the character he fit the bill in my book and I felt the same wrath from him as in his initial run in comics. But maybe you're right and I am too easily content
@@jameswalker4291 you trippin gorr was nothing like the comics in terms of devastation and fear he should have killed a lot of gods on screen in brutal ways
@@Infinity2018attack The nerf is your opinion. The Writers whose words actually matter and get paid for the movies said he was at his strongest. Thanos owns Thor anyday except when Thor catches him by surprise like the end of Infinity War Straight fight, Thanos murders Thor
@@kingsleyarisah6354 the endgame writers are garbage. They made Thor a weakling. The opi ion of love and thunder writers matters It's not my opinion it's common sense. A straight up fight after love and thunder would have Thor stomping thanos. Thor is more powerful than scarlet poop and Dr weakling strange.
The Hela thing makes no sense. Stormbreaker is stronger than the original Mjolir, it’s blatantly stated to be the strongest Asgardian weapon. Thor enchanted Mjolir, so it is clearly more powerful. If Mjolir = Stormbreaker then there would be no point.
Yeah, I never bought the “Star Level” scaling. People were wanking that “God Council” scaling without greater context. That said, I much prefer speed scaling debates in the MCU. I hope they get faster.
I think in the movie though they state that Namor’s spear is made of pure vibranuim, and that’s why it can cut through the ships and other objects so easily. Not just his raw strength.
@@Respect12948 the claim of wood (any wood) being similar in strength to vibranium (ie. more durable than steel) is dubious. That would make such wood (which grows from trees and is therefore a renewable rrather than finite resource) extremely valuable. But assuming it's accurate, shattering a steel breastplate is something that Thor and Hulk could certainly do as well. And if they can do it, Thanos can do it even more easily. So whie that punch was a clear demonstation of super-strength, it wasn't a level above what we've seen from other characters.
Duke statements doesn't hold up to the movies as Tchalla was able to break one when he was not powered by the herb, there's no reason to suggest this was just some regular wood either as they would use their supposed "wood that can go toe to toe with Vibranium" for all their weapons and armour, and there is evidence for Vibranium cutting other Vibranium as okoye's spear was a able to cut through the Vibranium car in the movie. Also "toe to toe" could simply just mean endure strikes or not break instantly instead of it having the same durability as Vibranium as just using Vibranium doesn't mean your output is as strong as Vibranium shattering power, also his statement that Namor exceeds the power of Thanos is just pure bs, since Namor's spear was also made of Vibranium. Also using his own logic Namor would have to be at least country level and above, and his durability would be on par with that as he would need to endure what he puts out. Yet he was consistently hurt by the black panther and an explosion that wasn't even that powerful, prob not even large building level. He also would've one shotted every Wakandan including Black Panther and M Baku including their planes without the spear. Even if we assume all the planes were all made of pure Vibranium, there's no reason to suggest that Namor slicing them using his Vibranium spear proves that he is definitely above Thanos in terms of power output.
As for Gorr not low diffing Thor, you could argue that Thor got strong enough to where he can go toe to toe with beings on Hela's level or higher. I mean It's kinda useless to say he's reached Hela's level and not showcase that by fighting on even grounds with Gorr for a bit. If he did get low diffed, then that would show that he's barely improved
@@ItsButterBean1020 not entirely true since odin merely stated he has the potential to surpass him and prime odin scales to above eternal flame surtur which then means thors potential scales above odin in his prime also note that odin created multiple stars in thor 2 in one of his weakest states.
Personally I don't feel physically Thor can beat Thanos. Strombreaker definitely can kill him but I feel we haven't seen enough from Thor to believe he is stronger. Haven't seen BP2 yet so I can't judge the Namor aspect yet. So I don't know if his trident is special or anything..The faulty part of love & thunder is to me it really only showed Thor in fighting shape moreso actually being stronger. Of course he can be physically stronger due to Asgardian nature but not enough to beat Thanos or Hela in a 1v1 yet..
@@trehubb6144 Uru is stronger than vibranium I think and thanos couldn't slice through caps shield namors physical strength let's him cut through vibranium with ease he also broke mbakus wood which is almost as strong as vibranium with his bare hands
@@rais6036 I feel stronger is the wrong word to me. I feel the strength of vibranium is within it's resistance/defensive properties as noted in the shield. A literal embodiment of defense is the best offense.. I think Thanos was just so overwhelming powerful that his uru just shattered the shield as we saw. Meaning if a weaker person like Nebula held the sword I don't feel she would break the shield.. In the Namor case I feel him being superhuman would automatically increase his vibranium spear attack. We haven't seen vibranium material keep it's same properties against other vibranium weapons so to me I would assume it would be weak as regular metals when against a vibranium spear in this case
Personally, I think Thor could defeat Thanos on his own using his strength, his power as the god of thunder and of course using stormbreaker, but speaking only of his strength, I don't think there's much difference between his version of love and Thunder. and hisr previous movie versions, and he's definitely not at Hela´s level, at least not yet. And in case someone thinks of saying it, no, Thor does not have the Odin Force, because that would mean that he would at least be at the level of Surtur with the power of the eternal flame, who is much stronger than Hela, as seen in ragnarok. Thor just isn't that powerful, at least not yet.
I think Thor love and thunder could’ve def made him star level, the thing is, even though they state gorr to be above hela in power THEY NEVER SHOW IT if they would’ve shown how powerful and how much of a badass he really is I think it really would’ve elevated his power but sadly they missed the mark on that
When ever it’s Thor’s time to officially put the hammer down, I want him to rejoin his family in Valhalla. When he does I want to see him to return to Asgard, plant Stormbreaker, put Mjolnir on a shrine, sit down on the log his father once sat on when he passed, and acknowledge either Odin, freya or Loki about him uniting with them soon. Then he fades away like Odin did in Ragnarok while his theme from the first movie mixed with Odin’s death theme plays in the background. I would literally cry like a baby.
these videos should be a Verify Prerequisite for being allowed to argue in any Forums. There are Millions of people absolute dumbtalking eachother with false feats/statements... 1 group in particularly sticks out heavily. Yes i mean you thor fans
Don’t know if this is exactly right but in Infinity Wars Rocket says that the forge is where the most powerful weapons in the universe are made which wouldn’t include his weapon that can destroy a moon in Guardians 1 so wouldn’t that mean any weapon that comes out of the forge would be around that level. Probably not but I don’t know. Also the gauntlet was stated in Endgame to be able to destroy a continent so that would scale to Thanos.
A lot of these arguments r so bad. 🤣 1. Gorr scales above Hela, Not only does he stab right thru Valkyrie’s uru armor casually like she did. Thor who had known about omnipotent city didn’t at all think it would be necessary to raise an entire god army to attempt to stop her. Not only that but we know Gorr is matching up against a Thor that’s at least 2 power ups stronger than he was during the Hela fought. Also Thor is confirmed to be channeling his own power thru his weapons, as confirmed by Odin himself. So yes his weapons do scale directly to his power which is y his weapons get strong as he does & don’t shatter when clashing with Gorr who is stated & confirmed stronger than Hela. 2. Saying they don’t know what the celestials can do because they aren’t in the building is an awful argument. They are in the city so the gods would know more about them than others. Also the gods are confirmed to be older than Thor so it’s likely one of them as seen a star being made or a planet being destroyed by a celestial. Not to mention it’s confirmed the Gods can basically have dominion over celestial bodies like stars. So to argue they have no idea who makes the stars or have never seen one made would be a reach. 3. I agree Thor doesn’t scale to the Celestials who should all scale to Ego’s feats & above Konshus feats but he does scale to Konshu. Yes Konshu needs his avatar to preform his galaxy level feats but all of that power comes from Konshu so that argument is meaningless since the avatar has no power at all separate from him. 4. Thor basically one shot Zeus who scales above Konshu with or without the avatar since we are told that’s where the most powerful gods are. U questioning Thor knowledge when Valkerie who also knows about the city hears what Thor said about it & doesn’t correct him. It’s also supported by the fact Ra is there who is stronger than the Gods we saw in moon knight being the head of the pantheon. Thor being Large planet - star level off a little bit of training after his previous power up is more consistent than country level Thor. Specially considering Wanda can go from country level to a multiversal threat off 1 power up.
I agree. But the problem with the first point is that even if Thor came up with the idea, to get help from the gods of omnipotentce city he would have no way of going there. He had no access to the bifrost.
These new power scallings are so weird. How can Namor be more powerful than Thanos? I know that according to the feets, he is, but it feels wrong. Great video as always. Keep up the good work.
@@chrisanderson2056 I know there are characters far more powerful than Thanos, not only in the comics, but also in the MCU, I just did not think of Namor as one of them.
I have issues with people claiming that Namor is physically stronger than Thanos. A few things to remember are that when Thanos busted through Cap's shield, he was/just finished fighting Thor and Iron Man as well. So he was a bit distracted. Another thing is that MCU Namor's power fluctuates like crazy when he's out of the water. We see this at the end of WK:Forever when he tanks an exploding ship but a few minutes later is severely burned by another smaller explosion. Yes, peak Namor might be stronger than the YOUNGER endgame Thanos bc he punched through M'Baku's vibranium chest armor. Namor slicing through vibranium airships wings is impressive but you must keep in mind that those wings are thin material and vibranium is consistently show to be vulnerable to piercing and slicing damage from equally hard/durable materials like Black Panther's vibranium claws, Thanos's uru blade, and Namor's vibranium spear. Namor wouldn't Thanos in any prolonged fight that isn't near or underwater bc Namor's stamina out of water is garbage.
You know who else are power houses? The gods of the universe. The moon god can move stars at ftl speeds yet is still considered to be below Zeus. Who is scared of Gorr. There’s no reason for him to be scared.
3:19 my personal thoughts on this is that he was just bending the light to to point in time it was all them years ago, still an impressive feat as that’s gravity manipulation on a massive scale (but still essentially an illusion) without having to move the earth (likely killing the entire population of the planet) or even more powerful to the levels of the one above all moving the entire rest of the galaxy (killing all live across the entire galaxy as all their planets suddenly start flying though space travelling light years in seconds).
That’s because endgame thanos was a much younger version than infinity war thanos. Please do your research before coming here sounding stupid saying MCU is washed. I mean with everything they got going on yea there are a few inconsistencies but once they are aware they fix it. If you don’t like the MCU that’s fine but don’t come in here saying idiotic things because you hate it
This has to be said before I even finish the video, konshu is definitely not actually moving stars. For one, he would kill everyone in the Milky Way if he was doing that. Secondly, the night sky instantly goes back to how it’s supposed to be. They don’t have to move back in place or anything. 100% not actually moving stars at all. Also, it’s not that konshu can only deal with things conserving the moon, it’s because the gods put themselves in a pocket dimension. Ra is not in omnipotent city because him and the other Egyptian gods are in a pocket dimension
I really don’t think those ships have the durability of Cap’s shield. And Black Panther blowing up the ship with a vibranium spear proves it. The same type of vibranium spear, used by the Dora millaje, already clashed with Cap’s shield, and didn’t damage it at all. My head canon is that Cap’s shield is a vibranium alloy, stronger than the alloy of the ships of Wakanda.
It's a super-strong alloy in the comics but in the MCU it's pure vibranium. The big difference with the airships is that they have plenty of non-vibranium parts too (windows, seats etc) plus they have engines and electronic systems which can overload and explode.
The only time the shield has been in contact with the Dora what’s in falcon and winter soldier and when they were fighting John, they weren’t stabbing, they were hitting him with the dull side of the spear
@@SUPER_DOOP please go watch the scene. At one point the spears tip is pressed against the shield, it’s very hard to miss. But what it comes down to is plot, like when Tchalla scratched caps shield vs the spear being unable to do so (possibly due to lack of super strength) Basically the writers decide if vibranium will scratch or not based off the needs of the story
Don't forget, Stormbreaker adds bifrost damage to Thor's fighting, and something capable of creating and manipulating bifrost. The bifrost itself is incredibly powerful, and is the key to unlocking Eternity. Id say that bifrost is always in a state of kenetic potential, and it takes a lot of power to control.
There's far too much conjecture going on here for my liking. Lots of "interpretarions" of statements and subjective opinions here. There's also the same 2 issues that are almost always present in power scaling period. One is that in order for the scaling to work, you have to assume that every character is operating at maximum potential at all times. Flash is always running at top speed, Thor is always using his full strength, Wanda is always using her maximum level of power etc. This just isn't true. No matter how you slice it. There's a great example in this video of lowballing Gorr (or was it Thor) to wall level. In the scene used, Gorr is clearly not using his full strength to the Thor point into the car. Another example is Snyderverse Flash pushing himself to approach lightspeed compared to he very clearly slower "regular" levels of speed. This is (for example) FAR faster than he was running when "evil" Superman was able to track and chase (but still not catch) him. Yet most scalers of the Snyderverse will say that Superman must be practically light-speed because Flash achieved lightspeed at the end of the movie and Superman scales to Flash. . Then there's artistic license and how certain feats are displayed on film vs how they actually occur in the lore - although that's more of a side note. The second issue though is that sometimes, the people making the content (in this case movies) either don't know, don't care, or just don't think about things like continuity and relative power levels. In these cases, you get feats that contradict past events. For example, having a character u servo an explicit boost in power in a new movie but then struggle with a definitively weaker character than someone they destroyed back when they were in a "weaker" incarnation. These things CAN NOT just be ignored but at the same time, incorporating them into a powerscaling discussion requires a certain level of arbitration in order to sort out where scaling is viable and where it isn't. Still, it's a better option than just ignoring it altogether and then acting like everyone is at max all the time - which ironically is somwthi ng that this video warns against doing but then actively does in a large amount of other videos. . Finally, if we look at Thor's durability via his Nidavellir feats as an example, there's one more issue to address. This one I can "mental gymnastics". I know a good portion of the scaling in general involves using real world physics and calcs for a lot of feats but sometimes, we are at right up given the answer on screen and don't need to do that. Nidavellir is a good example. Eitri EXPLICITLT STATES that Thor is about to "take the full force of a star". This "force will be exerted on him by a hypothetical, fantasy space magic device that harnesses the power of a neutron star in order to melt and forge Uru (a mystical substance). Yet for some reason, we have people trying to calculate luminosity of said Neutron star and then trying to mathematically calculate how much went into that little area Thor was standing in. This is completely unnecessary. For all we know, the entire luminosity and heat and overall energy output of the star at the time is s okmehow captured by the dyson-sphere-like device and concentrated into that one area. In fact, Eitri's statement about Thor taking the "full force of a star" would make more sense in this context. But who cares?? He stated it explicitly and yet people need to go through a all of these mental gymnastics to calculate itusinf real life math and physics equations. . Suffice to say, much of what was in this video is just speculative ad things stand now and I'm gonna reserve judgement time we get more concrete evidence.
Bro Don’t tell me I didn’t watch the video look up your research if viburnum can’t cut viburnum they look back in Civil War when Black Panther cut cap shield then go do your research on Wakanda forever and see what Neymar Spear is made out of because if not why did The new black panther gets stabbed in the stomach and this is not disrespect so don’t come at me tell me I didn’t watch the video I watch the video
You also have to consider the fact that Stormbreaker was meant to be the greatest weapon in Asgard. That could mean that eitri made it more durable than mjolnir. Mjolnir was, after all, made for a prince and not meant to be Thor's permanent weapon. But I agree that Gore should have been more powerful to be considered above Hela.
You forgot that the spear was made of raw vibranium which is stated to be much sharper than the normal vibranium. In fact Namor even said that it was because of the raw vibranium spear that allowed him to cut the vibranium. So saying that it was his strength that cut those ships you would be wrong.
I disagree with a lot of points in this video. 1) Just because there are not that many on screen feats doesn't mean that the statements are invalid. There is a difference between AP and DC and if we just use feats as our base for power scaling then a lot of Video game characters will be downplayed. 2) 1:20 It is not that big of a power creep because Odin was stated to be able to shatter planets in the picture book and Ragnarok Thor is stronger than him. 3) If Zeus is stronger than the Egyptian gods then it would naturally mean the gods with the avatars which they currently have ( not in the meeting ). 4) If Zeus is above everyone in the omnipotence city then it would include the celestials that were just behind the council and inside the city. 5) Even if the avatars of the Egyptian gods were not in the council according to Zeus they were safe in the city and would not be able to beat Gorr, but the gods can just go to their avatars for help so that means that Gorr would still be able to defeat them even with their avatar's help. 6) The reason that Hela destroyed Mjolnir was because she wanted to, and the reason Gorr didn't destroy the Stormbreaker was because he needed to use it. Also Thor was stronger and Stormbreaker was covered by his lightning which could have been the reason why it didn't shatter on impact. 7) The Namor statement was about the physical strength of Thor and not his over all AP. That is the way it would make sense because Thor was stronger than Hulk in Ragnarok and Hulk didn't get much stronger since then. 8) Also, Thanos just ripped off the mind stone from Vision's head which is made of vibranium.
Did you really just say Namor exceeds the power of thanos? His weapon might be more powerful but thanos combat skills and ability his much stronger than namor.
Idk about namor being stronger than thanos. Thanos had just got beaten up by cap when he was cutting the shield up. Namor was fresh out of the water and he has a speed advantage that makes it easier for him to slice.
I don't see how Namor could be stronger than Thanos, or even equal to him. Thanos was clearly stronger than Thor and Hulk, while Namor was only rumored to be their equal when fully hydrated.
1. The characters were already large planet level, captain marvel was able to take the power stone, and she’s not exponentially stronger than thanos and everyone else, they should be atleast planet+, not country level, and a jump from large to star is much more reasonable 2. The argument of mjolnir is very stupid, it’s very arguable that they can bring their weapons to their level by channelling their power through it, as awakened Thor was able to fight hela and even knock her out (making him above mjolnir), but stormbreaker/mjolnir are still useful in IW, endgame, and LaT, and having a weapon would always be useful no matter what 3. The Egyptian gods should be the level shown as they always have avatars with them, and they’ve shown large planet level feats with their own magic without the help of their avatars, only being galaxy when working together(just having an avatar puts them on this level) So at this point large planet to star is pretty consistent 1. Captain marvel taking the full power stone 2. The weaker Egyptian gods being large planet just on their own, only needing an avatar at all, not assistance from one) 3. Gor manipulating stars in his own world with the necrosword 4. Celestials consistently being able to create stars and suns
Touching the power stone doesn’t mean you take a planet level amount of damage. Ronan holds on to it for longer than Thanos and Ronan is MUCH weaker. Also, The power stone is far beyond planetary, so this logic makes even less sense/
@@KeyIssues it was confirmed she was hit with the full force of the power stone, it wasn’t just her being touched, touching the power stone only damages and slowly destroys them, this was a full blast+punch from thanos with a beam coming off of her and his fist, and we have seen the difference in power of a blast and touching the stone (Ronan was vaporized by the beam, but could touch the stone for a while) And when the power stone touched the planet in the flash back, it was a large planetary feat, making her at least that level in durability And if it was far beyond planetary, wouldn’t that making the star scaling work even better? The country level scaling was already a bit of a low ball with several characters in the MCU scaling to, or above, infinity stones
@@KeyIssues That would just upscale Thanos, who's consistently held infinity stones with little to no issue, which would ironically be more consistent with the planet to star level scaling than small island lvl in your case.
The comparison of weapons isn't just a question of the toughness of the material (Uru) but the enchantments as well. It looked like Hela shattered Mjolnir by breakign the enchantment and releasing a massve amount of magical energy, not by physically breaking it via brute force.
It didnt look like magic at all. she started to dent it and then cracks formed where the thunderstorm within mjolnir started to leak out and then it broke
@@guilhermepinheiro1588 I don't think her being the first wielder mattered. Remember back when she wielded Mjolnir, there wasn't any worthiness enchantment. We saw Odin add that enchament in Thor 1, when he banished Thor. Thor being the former wielder didn't make any differencce, he wasn't able to lift the hammer while uinworthy. Of course it's possible that Hela is worthy, but it's more likely that her power is simply great enough to overcome that restriction created by Odin. When Hela stopped the hammer in mid-flight and destroyed it, she was overcoming both the worthiness enchantment and the enchantment which causes the hammer to always return when thrown.
@@neospock5034 good point. Although i honestly dont think she overpowered the enchantments. Odin made them ( at least the worthy one) ( not sure about the other but may havr been the dwarfs), and i really dont think that any thing can break these enchantments, only go around them. Tbh if you are right, i find mjolnir being broken by that is a bit stupid since the enchantments are made to be impossible to break. The only other explanation i see is her being his first born and odin being dead she was able to wield mjolnir ( we see odin taking thors hammer in thor 1, although in a different way). Not saying you r wrong nor that im right, just saying that i find " pure strength" being the reason a bit dull and not at all reasonable ( freaking odin made it to not be broken). Correct me if im wrong but wasnt hela supposed to be its wielder, or whom it was made for? That may be one reason, idk... thats prob why they showed a pic of her using it
The statement that Namor is stronger than Thanos because he cuts through vibranium is absurd In the first black panther movie, Tchalla throws a spear at the same type of ship Namor cuts through, and also has a similar effect, the ship is destroyed yes it may have been powered, but how do we Namors spear wasnt similarly powered That doesnt mean Black Panther is stronger than Thanos, Thanos beats Black Panther in literally one punch in Infinity War Namor also lost to Shuri, like what was this guy thinking when he said Namor was stronger than the biggest villain in all of phases 1-3
I agree with this video, but we can’t assume Stormbreaker and Mjolnir are equal strength. Even in Ragnarok, Gungnir stabs Hela, she doesn’t catch it and blow it up like mjolnir, so it can be inconsistent, or A kings weapons is stronger than mjolnir.
Zeus was afraid of the Necron sword not Gor. Also we never saw any god that gorr killed in order to scale his strength. He's also not stated to be above other pantheon deities. So thor being able to stalemate gorr doesn't mean he's above deities like Zeus or Ra. There's no solid proof to scale gorr to the deities present in omnipotent city. Then again, the nekron sword was the only thing that terrified the gods not his own power and abilities.
how are you going to say that Namor even scales to Thanos when he struggled against shuri? And was hurt by his physical strikes? And the fact she actually dead stopped one of his strikes? Seriously? Its really the weapon or he is MAJORLY inconsistent. Unless Shuri Scales above Hulk or Thor or Thanos, which she certainly does not.
She only stood any chance with him because she found his weakness which is when he doesn’t have water which severely weakened him. If he wasn’t nerfed, shuri stands no chance at all. I mean he literally solo’d the whole of wakanda.
I don't think main characters should reach Star level, it's just too ridiculous. It works in the comics but not in live action. Anywhere from country to planet level at most is enough for characters like Thor, Hulk and Namor
Nah man, this reasoning is the reason why the strong characters feel so lame For as inconsistent as dc is, at least it lets the characters feel strong and fast I’m the mcu, thor only ever feels slightly strong than the rest during fights, he’ll super soldiers in falcon in winter soldier look and feel physically stronger than thor has Thor speed feels like he’s not any faster than captain America The story wouldn’t be boring if characters were this strong, just make the enemies stronger if you believe that
@@sidecharacter3193 that's saying you don't want Thor to be street level and that's completely fine. But if we later see Thor destroying a solar system or something it would just be tok much for me. Leave that to characters like Arishem or Dormmamu
@@joseluis5055 arishem and dormammu should be even higher. Was the infinity gauntlet too much for you? Considering thanos said he’d destroy the whole universe down to the last atom
@@mjfadeaway22 you are confusing two different weapons. Mjolnir allowed Thor to focus his own power and summon lightning more easily, Stormbreaker does not. Mjolnir was also enchanted to grant Thor's power to any wielder who is worthy, and cannot be lifted by anyone unworthy. Stormbreaker doesn't have either of those enchantments. Stormbreaker is the greatest weapon forged by Nidavellir, its destructive power is all its own- not from Thor. It also grants Thor the ability to summon the BiFrost, which isn't Thor's own ability. Anyone strong enough to wield Stormbreaker can do the same. Thor can channel his lightning through it, but ever since Ragnarok he has learned to use summon lightning directly, he doesn't need any weapon for that anyone.
Hela destroyed Mjolnir by using her powers of death and rot making the molecular bonds holding Mjolnirs Uru together severely weakened to the point she could crush it. Case closed.
Thanos can take brunt force trauma but he could be killed by bladed weapons, else why would he be wearing armor? Nebula spent a lot of time with him so she knew this. She attacked him with a sword in infinity war and really believed she killed him but the reality stone was already in play. Thanos played around with the guardians/avengers in titan with no fatalities but the minute Tony brought out his spear? He broke it and stabbed him. Thor hurts him instantly with Stormbreaker too. I still can't get over how nobody used this info in Endgame and tried brute force again.
Namor slicing feat should not be a strength feat. His spear was literally said to be *Vibranium* . How did we miss that . Of course Namor is superhuman though... And of course the sound aspect is notable as well.. My argument is that Namor being a superhuman gives him way to slicing vibranium ship easier then maybe T'challa slashing the shield. The strength difference between them I would argue is big enough to consider that Namor should naturally achieve higher feats . It's like if I were to punch a brick wall with a boxing glove and it didn't budge and I probably hurt myself if I did it enough times. Meanwhile someone like Thor could use the same glove and decimate the wall.. Also I feel if we study Okoye then it should be obvious how strong a Vibranium spear is.. Okoye has been able to pierce all things she's tried. Her only downside is she's still human. Meanwhile Namor as mentioned is superhuman. My simple logic is if Okoye is able to cut whenever she's tried cutting so far then Namor should do the same with more ease(at least with earth bound materials)... This to me as mentioned earlier I feel shouldn't scale his physical strength up to hulk lvls. I feel something like that has to be proven physically..
6:41 wait the little girl doing the sign language interpretation... Whats her name?? Many years ago i stumbled upon an account on Instagram of a little blond girl and her family who all communicate through sign language i thought shed do great things and i think was starting to appear in shows. I want to know if its the same girl.
Stormbreaker is probably way more durable than mjolnir, uru has demonstrated different levels of durability, the destroyer armor was less durable than mjolnir despite both being made of uru.
To be far scarlet witch would have killed Thanos by herself if he didn’t have his fleet bombard him own army to distract her from ripping him apart, I would hate to see a Wanda that’s been trained up by the likes of the Ancient one or one of the other magical masters of the setting (and by hate I mean it would be awesome and depending on who was training her maybe terrifying) Most of the hero’s powers seem to be been restrained by their own mental limiters.
Isn't it still the movie lore that the hammer was forged in core of a star and that star blew up on top of it and hella goes on to break it with her hand , isn't it also the case that in thor one Thor destroyed byefrost that contain enough energy to make a black hole that also consumes multiple stars . On top of this isn't it stated that the crater on the jotunheim is 100 times in size of the Grand Canyon Plus is it also stated the destroyer blast are light and even took place in one frame. Also Thor 2 the Dark World the ships that were taken down had black holes engines and even by the lowest downplay isn't it stated that the Leviathan cannot be hurt by the Iron Man suit even if they blast it until reactor runs out of energy in the Continental range of power. This isn't taking Into account tie in comics
Why would her being the former wielder matter? Thor being the most recent wielder didn't matter when he was banished to to Earth, he couldn't lift it because he wasn't worthy at the time. There was no worthiness enchantment upon Mjolnir back when Hela used it. But whether or not she's worthy, she clearly prevented the hammer from returning to Thor, so she was overpowering at least one enchantment, and probably two.
@@neospock5034 true, i think its the fact that she is now rightful queen of asgard so odins magic transfers to her and thats why she can do that, and combine that with her being the original, we dont know if she did something to the hammer or not enchantment wise. If we talking about pure force than the hulk being stronger than hela would also be able to do that.
I don’t think namor is stronger than Thanos for all the things the movie shows. A new and almost inexperienced Shuri managed to beat him. Yeah it’s the brains vs strength type of battle but still like at he’s max I don’t see him doing much more than what Hulk did in IW. Maybe he can perform a little better but Thanos is really smart and could find a counter and defeat him easy. Still good video. I think Thor is definitely stronger than before and Thanos but not sure how much cause Love and Thunder was pretty inconsistent, I do believe you’re Uru and stormbreaker are stronger than what you say, but again inconsistencies.
@@nathenb.9198 i know but that is such a big flaw that anyone could take advance of it, specially Thanos who planned a counter for almost every avenger.
Thor God of Thunder Lord of Lightning Son of Odin King of Asgard Ruler of the 9 Realms Strongest Avenger Space Viking Member of Guardians of the Galaxy Norse Legend ....I can keep going
Problem with your Namor aircraft logic is that Black Panther literally does the exact same thing in his first movie by throwing a vibranium spear, meaning that it's less likely to be a strength thing and more of a vibranium beats vibranium thing.
Interesting video... but I don't think the makers of the Marvel films have ever cared about consistency when it comes to strength levels of characters within their universe. Power scaling in the MCU has been broken and contradictory since the get go.
There's quite a few videos that put Thor at solar system to universal levels, and consistently too throughout too. He was star level in the first Thor movie.
@@KeyIssues So I completely agree with you that the feats should back the statements, or do greater to back it. I also agree in consistency. However, you downplay MCU characters, but don't do the same with DCEU characters. That's bias. Taking the worst showcases of a few things to fit a narrative. You don't do this with DCEU characters though. Just MCU. Superman in a daze resisted the lasso of truth, so he has magic resistance? Based off what? He was confused, so not being able to answer a question isn't the same as him fully aware and awake and ignoring it. Story > feats, but that's a personal preference. Do I think DCEU Superman is more powerful than MCU Thor? Yes. I think DCEU Superman would beat Thor high diff. Comics though, Thor is vastly more powerful than Superman. Thor would easily destroy him. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy the videos and I know it takes a lot of time and effort to make these. I am a Thor fanboy. But I will also agree, I was wrong that Thor was universal levels lol. Fanboy recognizes fanboy.
MCU never really had a set good power scaling or consistent one tbh it's all literally plot armor or what moves the narrative that benefits the MC at their current situation. Disney just meddling way to much for what sells, all phase 4 movies and show just feel empty to me also i want to love them so bad but at least they look nice and are entertaining. fans should voice their opinions and hope disney listen and take into consideration.
I'm interested in your Scarlet Witch scaling now after Multiverse of Madness. Most say she's Multiversal now. I say she's at Planetary at the low ends and High Universal since she destroyed the Mind stone which has infinite power even before her ascension into the scarlet witch.
Tbh she only destroyed it cause she was enchanced by it and her power has similarities to the stone. Dont know how to explain it right but its what vision said in IW. Its not about the amount of power she has, its more the type of power that made her able to destroy it
@@guilhermepinheiro1588 True cause with that logic, thor could've destroyed the stones as well. Thor was Stronger than Wanda in IW but he couldn't destroy an infinity stone with his own power.
@@isaiahdoesmusic9349 he couldnt because his power isnt similar to the mindstone's. Wanda was only able to destroy it cause her power was similar to that of the mindstone ( or something like that) since it was the mindstone that enchanced her.
@@guilhermepinheiro1588 But that doesn't take away her scaling, just because she was amplified by it, that still means she has that amount of power, not to mention literally destroying the mind stone on screen which has stated to have infinite power (High universal or infinite 3D). I'm not totally sure on the feat of her destroying an infinite amount of darkholds across the Multiverse because I don't know for sure if it was linked to the temple she destroyed.
@@isaiahdoesmusic9349 He was not stronger than Wanda lol 😂. I really hoped we would see her fight Thanos without the distraction of destroying the mind stone with the other hand. To that point I would scale her to High universal AP because of the mind stone feat but I think Thanos with the gauntlet would win at that point. But Scarlet witch status would win via out scaling.
Vibranium is of various types and the thing that makes vibranium better is its ability to absorb kinetic energy thats why Adamantium being more denser and powerful than vibranium is still inferior to it And the reason that namor was able to cut the ships were because namors vibranium is better than wakandium vibranium and the frequency of namors vibranium is more than that of wakandium vibranium that's why he was able to penetrate the ships And uru is more denser and more durable and powerful than vibranium And the reason why stormbreaker didn't break because its the most powerful weapon of asgard and it was able to survive the infinity stones and it should have various enchantments to make him more powerful Odins weapon Gungnir, AKA “The Spear of Heaven" was more powerful than mjolnir and gungnir was able to physically damage hela and storm breaker is stated to be more powerful than gungnir by eitri as he said its the most powerful weapon of Asgard
I really really don't buy anything above continental levels power for the strongest heroes or villains of MCU.. planet levels to star levels of power for the very very very powerful characters in that universe
@Key Issues your Namor - Vibranium Arguments are very poorly made. I dont really understand why on some occasions it is easy, on others it is difficult to destroy Vibranium. But thats just what it is... Namor might slice through those ships, but Okoye did so too with a Vibranium car. Shuri did so too with Namors staff, corvus glaive did so too with his Uru Weapon, Comparing it to what Thanos could do with his Uru Blade and that Thanos is a lot stronger, it simply has a lot to do with sharpness. Also Namor couldnt get through those Vibranium Windows. But some WATERBOMBS could i mean so Water must be stronger than Thanos. In addition to that Namor was very strong but not too much, rather very agile, fast and precise. He cuoldnt cut through the ship when he was in it too BTW. Referring to the wood, it probably is nowhere near Vibranium, in Black Panther 1 Chadwick also broke mbakus mask in half, which looked as if made from the same wood, which would only make sense. In addition we have no proof that all the ships are made out of vibranium, especially not pure one, because otherwise why wouldnt just every single wakandan warrior get a complete vibraniium body suit?? I guess they DO NOT have as much as always stated, or it is hard to create things with it, or they just want to use only little to save much for thousands of years going forward or whatever.
Hey bro I plan on making a yt channel soon with powerscaling vids. Only thing I don't know how to put in pic or videos in sync with my audio for the pics or vids to be in sync with my voiceover? Any tips would be appreciated as well as what software you use.
I don’t think hela is even that more powerful than even ragnerok Thor, we see thanos actually body a more powerful Thor vs what hela does to Thor, in the beginning of ragnerok we see hela easily break mijolnir but when she has Thor by the throat she tries to stab him rather than snap his neck and at no moment would hela ever hold back so she just wasn’t able to snack Thors neck and he broke out of her grip, later in the movie hela is exponentially stronger and Thors still able to 1v1 her and he even gets a killing blow with gungnir. And after he awakens his power he knocks her out for several minutes while he rampages her army, then after he fights again he is more than holding his own, now he still can’t beat her but he once again knocks her out while destroying a chunk of the rainbow bridge, a feat that shows how far he’s grown since Thor 1 when it took several blows from mijolnir to crack it. And Thor did it with one blow while knocking out hela. And stormbreaker only amplifies his power and it does it better than mijolnir, stormbreaker his more powerful than mijolnir while it doesn’t seem like it not only is it confirmed to be more powerful by Thor it is by the Russo brothers themselves. Thors lightning once again is shown to be more powerful from infinity war to endgame, he floored thanos in IF and it didn’t do any noticeable damage and in endgame cap wields Thors lightning with an inferior weapon and it does significant damage, so Thors lightning only grows in power, once it only knocked hela out but who knows that it can do to her now, not only that but with stormbreaker Thor could take a decisive blow against her by chopping off her head, so a weaker Thor has already knocked her out twice but now he has something capable of killing thanos, he definitely beats hela, Thors lightning also noticeably makes Thor physically stronger, helping him break out of gorrs webs shit. Thanos took on endgame Thor who is superior to Ragnerok thor, took on mk 85 iron man and amped cap, I believe he beats hela. As for gorr, he beats thor repeatedly and thor should be more powerful than hela with feats alone. Gorr also takes on mighty thor who is at least more powerful than amped cap, Valkyrie who has been shown to be able to help take on hela and she was also wielding the thunder bolt, she also stabs gorr through the chest. And Thor who is much more powerful than he was in ragnerok and now wield stormbreaker, gorr takes on all three of them while hela was struggling against only Thor and Valkyrie both lacking very powerful weapons and Thor lighting not being as powerful.
What are you yapping about?😂 Thor literally trained for months probably years and has increased his destructive capabilities. Dude literally destroys cities in one blow , destroys parts of planets and even destroyed the moon by just calling and GRABBING Storm breaker. Maybe that’s why people power him up because he’s powered up himself ????????????
@@yezzojey_7562 Yet Thanos, wthout The Infinity Gauntlet, beat him like a rag doll. Thor fanatics really do see different movies than the rest of the world...
Who knows. Maybe Thanos will come back and get a major power boost, like he unlocks some powers like in the comics like telepathic resistance, energy blast, laser vision, something like trapping stronger beings in a cube or something like that.
Your definitely missing some context with these feats, 1. Hela used to own mjnoir, which led her to break it easier 2. The only reason mjnoir broke the necrosword is because the worthy enchantment not bc it’s more powerful
I personally think I'd put Thor currently at large island level to mabey even small county level. But hey that's just me. I really hope they give him more substantial feats that are NOT ONLY STATED BUT ALSO SHOWN!!! Great vid by the way 🥰
I don't think it's fair to use the fact that Gorr didn't break stormbreaker in-order to argue he is weaker than Hella. You could maybe Argue that Hella broke Mjolnir because she is a god of weapons, or because of her bloodline connection to Thor and Odin. But regardless of explanation, I think it's better to call it an inconsistency. The fact of the matter is, we don't consider Thor to be wall level, just because he didnt vaporise the car in-order to escape. We also wouldn't consider Superman to be normal human level, if Some equally powerful villain stabbed him with a normal steel knife. Thor was beaten by Hela, but he was not instantly obliterated by her. So he was weaker, but not much weaker. It is by no means a stretch to think he is stronger than her by now. So I don't think it's a stretch to say Gorr is stronger than Hella. Especially given that all other gods were afraid of him. I do agree that the star level scaling is too finicky of an argument at the moment though. We just don't know enough about the other gods, about their relationship to the celestials, or about the celestials themselves to say that.
Thor is as strong as if not stronger than captain marvel who could reignite a star and destroyed the bifrost which could make a black hole and suck in stars so in his first movie he was already star level and could tango with malekith who could reality warp the universe and no the convergence is stated to only amplify its range not the ei thers power so it could do it by itself so this video needs to be updated
Are Asgardains considered Gods? I mean all the Gods we see bleed gold, and the more powerful ones like Zeus don’t die, they get weak and Incapacitated yes but they don’t fully die which I’m pretty sure is accurate to myth where gods can’t die, at least Greek myth, yet Norse Myth gods do, but they aren’t called gods, they are called Aesir. Asgardians aren’t gods, some of them have godly powers but they bleed red and most of them come from other realms, that one Warriors 3 guy I’m pretty sure is shown in Dark World coming from like Alfheim or something and Loki is a Frost Giant, so that means Asgardians come from other realms and places, Asgardians aren’t really a race, they are a people. Greek Gods are Immortal, they can’t die, and Odin says to Loki “we are not gods, we’re born, we live, we die” so I don’t think Asgardians are gods, yet they can surpass gods
The MCU is a different universe from the comics but yeah- comic book Asgardians indeed are not true immortals, and in the MCU they're a powerful race with 5000 year lifespans. Of course as of Thor: Ragnarok some thing were retconned so they're godlike now than back in Phase 1 when they were officially aliens mistaken for gods. Still, the MCU hasn't been very consistent on such things.
i say they nerfed stormbreaker because if it was not destroyed by the necro sword then it shuold break it as well but even then the movie didn't focused on the lesson thor recevied in infinity war
Right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right.
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Thor actually has some arguments for universal
@@savontelewis951Yeah, by fighting a reality stone absorbed Malekieth. Malekieth was going to plunge the nine realms into darkeness just by using the reality stone.
You scaling is outdated you lowball thor to much I have seen better he is beyond country level
@@SSJBlueVegito it said in the movie everything was going to be destoryed which means the nine realms and the Universe
We also forget that Thanos, with his fingers, took the mind stone out of visions head. That’s vibranium.
Good point
Vision was weakened tho
@@rais6036 the vibranium wasn't tho.
He had multiple infinity stones at the time and vision isn’t made of pure vibrabium. He’s a mix of artificial organic material mixed with vibranium.
@@KeyIssues the infinity stones have nothing to do with Thanos strength unless he uses them to augment his strength. He wasn’t using them to do that at all. As for what vision is made out of. We have no idea if he more or less durable than caps shield. The black panther suit is technically a weave but it has high durability, so the point is moot.
I need Thor to have some cold moments in future installments. The man is a beast in comics and we deserve to see Chris Hemsworth show how much of a chad he is
Didn't Chris say he'll retire?
@@jesusramirezromo2037 no he said he will stop playing thor when the fans tell him to
MCU wants comedic, charming heroes, not sure we're getting what we want with any of our favorite heroes
@@bananaking664 I thought I saw something about him not playing thor because he’s at risk of dementia?
@@LeoorLeonard maybe but last i saw him saying something about thor it was that so i’m not so sure
Gorr and Thor are star level characters!
*Dents a car door 5 inches
Good point, that is the exact BS that sours everything about power scaling for me
@@sherlockwayne5407 Humans have impressive strength and can break very solid objects just because we have 1 fight and dont cause that much damage it doesn't mean I still can't punch a hole in the wall or break wood, get it? Gorr is not trying to destroy stars or destroy the planet his main goal is simlly to kill all Gods.
Lmaoooo
I love your take on Gorr. What a disappointment he was.
Gorr wasn't disappointing but the special affects for him were clearly rushed or lacked imagination. Evidently they wanted us to simply get where they were coming from instead of combing through their depiction with a fine tooth comb.
As for the writing of the character he fit the bill in my book and I felt the same wrath from him as in his initial run in comics. But maybe you're right and I am too easily content
@@jameswalker4291 lol, you indeed are
@@jameswalker4291 you trippin gorr was nothing like the comics in terms of devastation and fear he should have killed a lot of gods on screen in brutal ways
When we knew it was about Gorr, we wanted a horror dark film, not a goofy ass comedy film
The funny thing is that, if Thanos was to return, he will still slap around these strongest avangers
Definitely (minus strange or Wanda I say).. Carol only in a group fight would take him I say
Not wanda tho, if she still counts as avenger lol
Thor would obliterate him either in h2h or in raw power. Thor is and always has been the most powerful. They purposely nerfed him in endgame
@@Infinity2018attack The nerf is your opinion. The Writers whose words actually matter and get paid for the movies said he was at his strongest.
Thanos owns Thor anyday except when Thor catches him by surprise like the end of Infinity War
Straight fight, Thanos murders Thor
@@kingsleyarisah6354 the endgame writers are garbage. They made Thor a weakling. The opi ion of love and thunder writers matters
It's not my opinion it's common sense. A straight up fight after love and thunder would have Thor stomping thanos. Thor is more powerful than scarlet poop and Dr weakling strange.
The Hela thing makes no sense. Stormbreaker is stronger than the original Mjolir, it’s blatantly stated to be the strongest Asgardian weapon. Thor enchanted Mjolir, so it is clearly more powerful. If Mjolir = Stormbreaker then there would be no point.
I feel like the armour thanos wears might be enough to stop stormbreaker from instantly killing him
it wouldn't the arour could protect thanos but still think the force of hit from stormbreaker is strong enough that can cut throught it
Yeah, I never bought the “Star Level” scaling. People were wanking that “God Council” scaling without greater context. That said, I much prefer speed scaling debates in the MCU. I hope they get faster.
I think in the movie though they state that Namor’s spear is made of pure vibranuim, and that’s why it can cut through the ships and other objects so easily. Not just his raw strength.
You still have is punch to mbakus armour to go off on
He shattered wood that’s stated to be similar in power to vibranium
@@Respect12948 the claim of wood (any wood) being similar in strength to vibranium (ie. more durable than steel) is dubious. That would make such wood (which grows from trees and is therefore a renewable rrather than finite resource) extremely valuable.
But assuming it's accurate, shattering a steel breastplate is something that Thor and Hulk could certainly do as well. And if they can do it, Thanos can do it even more easily.
So whie that punch was a clear demonstation of super-strength, it wasn't a level above what we've seen from other characters.
@@Respect12948T’challa without the herb shattered the same type of wood in the first movie when he elbowed mbaku’s mask in two 🤷♂️
@@jaxsonbrown968
I’m pretty sure the mask are made of Clay or just regular wood
Duke statements doesn't hold up to the movies as Tchalla was able to break one when he was not powered by the herb, there's no reason to suggest this was just some regular wood either as they would use their supposed "wood that can go toe to toe with Vibranium" for all their weapons and armour, and there is evidence for Vibranium cutting other Vibranium as okoye's spear was a able to cut through the Vibranium car in the movie. Also "toe to toe" could simply just mean endure strikes or not break instantly instead of it having the same durability as Vibranium as just using Vibranium doesn't mean your output is as strong as Vibranium shattering power, also his statement that Namor exceeds the power of Thanos is just pure bs, since Namor's spear was also made of Vibranium. Also using his own logic Namor would have to be at least country level and above, and his durability would be on par with that as he would need to endure what he puts out. Yet he was consistently hurt by the black panther and an explosion that wasn't even that powerful, prob not even large building level. He also would've one shotted every Wakandan including Black Panther and M Baku including their planes without the spear. Even if we assume all the planes were all made of pure Vibranium, there's no reason to suggest that Namor slicing them using his Vibranium spear proves that he is definitely above Thanos in terms of power output.
As for Gorr not low diffing Thor, you could argue that Thor got strong enough to where he can go toe to toe with beings on Hela's level or higher.
I mean It's kinda useless to say he's reached Hela's level and not showcase that by fighting on even grounds with Gorr for a bit. If he did get low diffed, then that would show that he's barely improved
It’s worth noting Gorr is apparently > Hela and if you wanna get spicy Odin mentioned being surpassed by Thor in Ragnarok
@@ItsButterBean1020 not entirely true since odin merely stated he has the potential to surpass him
and prime odin scales to above eternal flame surtur which then means thors potential scales above odin in his prime
also note that odin created multiple stars in thor 2 in one of his weakest states.
All I know is Phase 4 Thor is a BEAST.
I wish he still had his Infinity war character
Personally I don't feel physically Thor can beat Thanos. Strombreaker definitely can kill him but I feel we haven't seen enough from Thor to believe he is stronger. Haven't seen BP2 yet so I can't judge the Namor aspect yet. So I don't know if his trident is special or anything..The faulty part of love & thunder is to me it really only showed Thor in fighting shape moreso actually being stronger. Of course he can be physically stronger due to Asgardian nature but not enough to beat Thanos or Hela in a 1v1 yet..
Namor is a beast his vibranium spear sliced through vibranium wakandan airships with ease
@@rais6036 just seen it and saw his spear was made with vibranium, so kinda countered it
@@trehubb6144 Uru is stronger than vibranium I think and thanos couldn't slice through caps shield namors physical strength let's him cut through vibranium with ease he also broke mbakus wood which is almost as strong as vibranium with his bare hands
@@rais6036 I feel stronger is the wrong word to me. I feel the strength of vibranium is within it's resistance/defensive properties as noted in the shield. A literal embodiment of defense is the best offense.. I think Thanos was just so overwhelming powerful that his uru just shattered the shield as we saw. Meaning if a weaker person like Nebula held the sword I don't feel she would break the shield.. In the Namor case I feel him being superhuman would automatically increase his vibranium spear attack. We haven't seen vibranium material keep it's same properties against other vibranium weapons so to me I would assume it would be weak as regular metals when against a vibranium spear in this case
Personally, I think Thor could defeat Thanos on his own using his strength, his power as the god of thunder and of course using stormbreaker, but speaking only of his strength, I don't think there's much difference between his version of love and Thunder. and hisr previous movie versions, and he's definitely not at Hela´s level, at least not yet.
And in case someone thinks of saying it, no, Thor does not have the Odin Force, because that would mean that he would at least be at the level of Surtur with the power of the eternal flame, who is much stronger than Hela, as seen in ragnarok. Thor just isn't that powerful, at least not yet.
Are we getting an update to the tier list so we can see where Namor and Shuri are?
Namor is above Hulk underwater and next to Thor on land. Shuri is one spot below T’challa and Killmonger
@@KeyIssues thanks
@@KeyIssues which versions? is love and thunder thor in high tier god with pr.hulk?
@@natashascullion5241 the statement seems to reflect the current versions
@@KeyIssues your argument against star level level thor does not hold up
I think Thor love and thunder could’ve def made him star level, the thing is, even though they state gorr to be above hela in power THEY NEVER SHOW IT if they would’ve shown how powerful and how much of a badass he really is I think it really would’ve elevated his power but sadly they missed the mark on that
When ever it’s Thor’s time to officially put the hammer down, I want him to rejoin his family in Valhalla. When he does I want to see him to return to Asgard, plant Stormbreaker, put Mjolnir on a shrine, sit down on the log his father once sat on when he passed, and acknowledge either Odin, freya or Loki about him uniting with them soon.
Then he fades away like Odin did in Ragnarok while his theme from the first movie mixed with Odin’s death theme plays in the background. I would literally cry like a baby.
Youre ignoring the fact that gorr would not want to destroy stormbreaker. Your entire argument kinda falls apart on this one point.
true, but it wouldn't make sense for him to hold back on destroying mjolnr either
ngl I had this on my mind Thor is built like a fallout character rn lol
Thor power is always improving and thats what i really like about him, and I can’t wait to see what kind of power he will unlock next in thor 5.
these videos should be a Verify Prerequisite for being allowed to argue in any Forums. There are Millions of people absolute dumbtalking eachother with false feats/statements... 1 group in particularly sticks out heavily. Yes i mean you thor fans
Don’t know if this is exactly right but in Infinity Wars Rocket says that the forge is where the most powerful weapons in the universe are made which wouldn’t include his weapon that can destroy a moon in Guardians 1 so wouldn’t that mean any weapon that comes out of the forge would be around that level. Probably not but I don’t know. Also the gauntlet was stated in Endgame to be able to destroy a continent so that would scale to Thanos.
A lot of these arguments r so bad. 🤣
1. Gorr scales above Hela, Not only does he stab right thru Valkyrie’s uru armor casually like she did. Thor who had known about omnipotent city didn’t at all think it would be necessary to raise an entire god army to attempt to stop her. Not only that but we know Gorr is matching up against a Thor that’s at least 2 power ups stronger than he was during the Hela fought. Also Thor is confirmed to be channeling his own power thru his weapons, as confirmed by Odin himself. So yes his weapons do scale directly to his power which is y his weapons get strong as he does & don’t shatter when clashing with Gorr who is stated & confirmed stronger than Hela.
2. Saying they don’t know what the celestials can do because they aren’t in the building is an awful argument. They are in the city so the gods would know more about them than others.
Also the gods are confirmed to be older than Thor so it’s likely one of them as seen a star being made or a planet being destroyed by a celestial. Not to mention it’s confirmed the Gods can basically have dominion over celestial bodies like stars. So to argue they have no idea who makes the stars or have never seen one made would be a reach.
3. I agree Thor doesn’t scale to the Celestials who should all scale to Ego’s feats & above Konshus feats but he does scale to Konshu.
Yes Konshu needs his avatar to preform his galaxy level feats but all of that power comes from Konshu so that argument is meaningless since the avatar has no power at all separate from him.
4. Thor basically one shot Zeus who scales above Konshu with or without the avatar since we are told that’s where the most powerful gods are. U questioning Thor knowledge when Valkerie who also knows about the city hears what Thor said about it & doesn’t correct him. It’s also supported by the fact Ra is there who is stronger than the Gods we saw in moon knight being the head of the pantheon.
Thor being Large planet - star level off a little bit of training after his previous power up is more consistent than country level Thor.
Specially considering Wanda can go from country level to a multiversal threat off 1 power up.
I agree. But the problem with the first point is that even if Thor came up with the idea, to get help from the gods of omnipotentce city he would have no way of going there. He had no access to the bifrost.
Thor was country level in his first movie lol.
No. Large planetary.
@@kombatman8802 Universal actually
@@kombatman8802 no
@@FahimusAlimus Let’s debate it.
@@kombatman8802 ok
These new power scallings are so weird.
How can Namor be more powerful than Thanos? I know that according to the feets, he is, but it feels wrong.
Great video as always.
Keep up the good work.
Thanos isn’t the end all be all in marvel lol
@@chrisanderson2056 I know there are characters far more powerful than Thanos, not only in the comics, but also in the MCU, I just did not think of Namor as one of them.
I have issues with people claiming that Namor is physically stronger than Thanos. A few things to remember are that when Thanos busted through Cap's shield, he was/just finished fighting Thor and Iron Man as well. So he was a bit distracted. Another thing is that MCU Namor's power fluctuates like crazy when he's out of the water. We see this at the end of WK:Forever when he tanks an exploding ship but a few minutes later is severely burned by another smaller explosion. Yes, peak Namor might be stronger than the YOUNGER endgame Thanos bc he punched through M'Baku's vibranium chest armor. Namor slicing through vibranium airships wings is impressive but you must keep in mind that those wings are thin material and vibranium is consistently show to be vulnerable to piercing and slicing damage from equally hard/durable materials like Black Panther's vibranium claws, Thanos's uru blade, and Namor's vibranium spear.
Namor wouldn't Thanos in any prolonged fight that isn't near or underwater bc Namor's stamina out of water is garbage.
It’s possible that the reason goor doesn’t go to omnipotent city is due to fear of the celestials
Why would he dare challenge such powerhouses
No evidence of that.
You know who else are power houses? The gods of the universe. The moon god can move stars at ftl speeds yet is still considered to be below Zeus. Who is scared of Gorr.
There’s no reason for him to be scared.
nah he didn't know the place
zeus himself said it
3:19 my personal thoughts on this is that he was just bending the light to to point in time it was all them years ago, still an impressive feat as that’s gravity manipulation on a massive scale (but still essentially an illusion) without having to move the earth (likely killing the entire population of the planet) or even more powerful to the levels of the one above all moving the entire rest of the galaxy (killing all live across the entire galaxy as all their planets suddenly start flying though space travelling light years in seconds).
mcu washed and inconsistent anyways. infinity war thanos was stronger than endgame thanos
Yes
That’s because endgame thanos was a much younger version than infinity war thanos. Please do your research before coming here sounding stupid saying MCU is washed. I mean with everything they got going on yea there are a few inconsistencies but once they are aware they fix it. If you don’t like the MCU that’s fine but don’t come in here saying idiotic things because you hate it
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It’s fair to say EG Thanos was more ruthless but IW Thanos was definitely wiser.
@@blak238 Thanos being a few years older makes zero difference. He’s 1000s of years old. It’s the use of the stones that weakened him.
No he isn't
I REFUSE to believe smart hulk in she-hulk could give thanos a good fight I’m sorry,gotta go with feats over statements
And knowing the she hulk writers,theyll make a moment where she directly scales to hulk,just fucking up the scaling more😂
Why? Just because you don’t like that version of the character?
@@KeyIssues own those frauds
@@KeyIssues well that 2,but I just don’t like the idea of nerdy hulk surpassing the mad titan, seeing the feats he’s giving throughout his apparences
This has to be said before I even finish the video, konshu is definitely not actually moving stars. For one, he would kill everyone in the Milky Way if he was doing that. Secondly, the night sky instantly goes back to how it’s supposed to be. They don’t have to move back in place or anything. 100% not actually moving stars at all. Also, it’s not that konshu can only deal with things conserving the moon, it’s because the gods put themselves in a pocket dimension. Ra is not in omnipotent city because him and the other Egyptian gods are in a pocket dimension
I really don’t think those ships have the durability of Cap’s shield. And Black Panther blowing up the ship with a vibranium spear proves it.
The same type of vibranium spear, used by the Dora millaje, already clashed with Cap’s shield, and didn’t damage it at all.
My head canon is that Cap’s shield is a vibranium alloy, stronger than the alloy of the ships of Wakanda.
It's a super-strong alloy in the comics but in the MCU it's pure vibranium. The big difference with the airships is that they have plenty of non-vibranium parts too (windows, seats etc) plus they have engines and electronic systems which can overload and explode.
The only time the shield has been in contact with the Dora what’s in falcon and winter soldier and when they were fighting John, they weren’t stabbing, they were hitting him with the dull side of the spear
@@SUPER_DOOP please go watch the scene.
At one point the spears tip is pressed against the shield, it’s very hard to miss.
But what it comes down to is plot, like when Tchalla scratched caps shield vs the spear being unable to do so (possibly due to lack of super strength)
Basically the writers decide if vibranium will scratch or not based off the needs of the story
In the comics, if rune king Thor holding 2 hammers hit Thanos, we'd get a panel of Thanos missing some costume with a grin calling Thor "boy"
We need a power scaling of the burglars from home alone
So nobody’s gonna bring up the fact that teen groot arm can withstand country lvl force by this logic?
Good point I think his anti feats for storm breaker weren't too logical and ignoring that fiction doesn't care about thr logic he implied
Great video once again, can you do one on Thanos' army vs Namors?
Celestials were just chilling in onipotent city they weren’t afraid of goar
Don't forget, Stormbreaker adds bifrost damage to Thor's fighting, and something capable of creating and manipulating bifrost. The bifrost itself is incredibly powerful, and is the key to unlocking Eternity. Id say that bifrost is always in a state of kenetic potential, and it takes a lot of power to control.
yeah but it's used only with transportation not as a weapon for now because in infinity war it killed many outriders
There's far too much conjecture going on here for my liking. Lots of "interpretarions" of statements and subjective opinions here. There's also the same 2 issues that are almost always present in power scaling period. One is that in order for the scaling to work, you have to assume that every character is operating at maximum potential at all times. Flash is always running at top speed, Thor is always using his full strength, Wanda is always using her maximum level of power etc. This just isn't true. No matter how you slice it. There's a great example in this video of lowballing Gorr (or was it Thor) to wall level. In the scene used, Gorr is clearly not using his full strength to the Thor point into the car. Another example is Snyderverse Flash pushing himself to approach lightspeed compared to he very clearly slower "regular" levels of speed. This is (for example) FAR faster than he was running when "evil" Superman was able to track and chase (but still not catch) him. Yet most scalers of the Snyderverse will say that Superman must be practically light-speed because Flash achieved lightspeed at the end of the movie and Superman scales to Flash.
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Then there's artistic license and how certain feats are displayed on film vs how they actually occur in the lore - although that's more of a side note. The second issue though is that sometimes, the people making the content (in this case movies) either don't know, don't care, or just don't think about things like continuity and relative power levels. In these cases, you get feats that contradict past events. For example, having a character u servo an explicit boost in power in a new movie but then struggle with a definitively weaker character than someone they destroyed back when they were in a "weaker" incarnation. These things CAN NOT just be ignored but at the same time, incorporating them into a powerscaling discussion requires a certain level of arbitration in order to sort out where scaling is viable and where it isn't. Still, it's a better option than just ignoring it altogether and then acting like everyone is at max all the time - which ironically is somwthi ng that this video warns against doing but then actively does in a large amount of other videos.
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Finally, if we look at Thor's durability via his Nidavellir feats as an example, there's one more issue to address. This one I can "mental gymnastics". I know a good portion of the scaling in general involves using real world physics and calcs for a lot of feats but sometimes, we are at right up given the answer on screen and don't need to do that. Nidavellir is a good example. Eitri EXPLICITLT STATES that Thor is about to "take the full force of a star". This "force will be exerted on him by a hypothetical, fantasy space magic device that harnesses the power of a neutron star in order to melt and forge Uru (a mystical substance). Yet for some reason, we have people trying to calculate luminosity of said Neutron star and then trying to mathematically calculate how much went into that little area Thor was standing in. This is completely unnecessary. For all we know, the entire luminosity and heat and overall energy output of the star at the time is s okmehow captured by the dyson-sphere-like device and concentrated into that one area. In fact, Eitri's statement about Thor taking the "full force of a star" would make more sense in this context. But who cares?? He stated it explicitly and yet people need to go through a all of these mental gymnastics to calculate itusinf real life math and physics equations.
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Suffice to say, much of what was in this video is just speculative ad things stand now and I'm gonna reserve judgement time we get more concrete evidence.
Thanos needs to return and humble these characters as king thanos to show this creator he aint a normal street tier guy
Until Doom kindly rips out his spine to give Thanos a massage.
The only reason Neymor is cutting through the ships in Wakanda is that his spear is viburnum
y not watch the full video?
Bro Don’t tell me I didn’t watch the video look up your research if viburnum can’t cut viburnum they look back in Civil War when Black Panther cut cap shield then go do your research on Wakanda forever and see what Neymar Spear is made out of because if not why did The new black panther gets stabbed in the stomach and this is not disrespect so don’t come at me tell me I didn’t watch the video I watch the video
@@mattriley1344 you didn’t watch the video lol
@@mattriley1344 im still trying to figure out what viburnum is
You also have to consider the fact that Stormbreaker was meant to be the greatest weapon in Asgard. That could mean that eitri made it more durable than mjolnir. Mjolnir was, after all, made for a prince and not meant to be Thor's permanent weapon. But I agree that Gore should have been more powerful to be considered above Hela.
You forgot that the spear was made of raw vibranium which is stated to be much sharper than the normal vibranium. In fact Namor even said that it was because of the raw vibranium spear that allowed him to cut the vibranium. So saying that it was his strength that cut those ships you would be wrong.
I disagree with a lot of points in this video.
1) Just because there are not that many on screen feats doesn't mean that the statements are invalid.
There is a difference between AP and DC and if we just use feats as our base for power scaling then a lot of Video game characters will be downplayed.
2) 1:20 It is not that big of a power creep because Odin was stated to be able to shatter planets in the picture book and Ragnarok Thor is stronger than him.
3) If Zeus is stronger than the Egyptian gods then it would naturally mean the gods with the avatars which they currently have ( not in the meeting ).
4) If Zeus is above everyone in the omnipotence city then it would include the celestials that were just behind the council and inside the city.
5) Even if the avatars of the Egyptian gods were not in the council according to Zeus they were safe in the city and would not be able to beat Gorr, but the gods can just go to their avatars for help so that means that Gorr would still be able to defeat them even with their avatar's help.
6) The reason that Hela destroyed Mjolnir was because she wanted to, and the reason Gorr didn't destroy the Stormbreaker was because he needed to use it.
Also Thor was stronger and Stormbreaker was covered by his lightning which could have been the reason why it didn't shatter on impact.
7) The Namor statement was about the physical strength of Thor and not his over all AP.
That is the way it would make sense because Thor was stronger than Hulk in Ragnarok and Hulk didn't get much stronger since then.
8) Also, Thanos just ripped off the mind stone from Vision's head which is made of vibranium.
Did you really just say Namor exceeds the power of thanos? His weapon might be more powerful but thanos combat skills and ability his much stronger than namor.
Thanos is probably a better combatant but his strength does not exceed Namor.
Idk about namor being stronger than thanos. Thanos had just got beaten up by cap when he was cutting the shield up. Namor was fresh out of the water and he has a speed advantage that makes it easier for him to slice.
I don't see how Namor could be stronger than Thanos, or even equal to him. Thanos was clearly stronger than Thor and Hulk, while Namor was only rumored to be their equal when fully hydrated.
damn bro u got corrected with the thanos one 14,000,605 times
1. The characters were already large planet level, captain marvel was able to take the power stone, and she’s not exponentially stronger than thanos and everyone else, they should be atleast planet+, not country level, and a jump from large to star is much more reasonable
2. The argument of mjolnir is very stupid, it’s very arguable that they can bring their weapons to their level by channelling their power through it, as awakened Thor was able to fight hela and even knock her out (making him above mjolnir), but stormbreaker/mjolnir are still useful in IW, endgame, and LaT, and having a weapon would always be useful no matter what
3. The Egyptian gods should be the level shown as they always have avatars with them, and they’ve shown large planet level feats with their own magic without the help of their avatars, only being galaxy when working together(just having an avatar puts them on this level)
So at this point large planet to star is pretty consistent
1. Captain marvel taking the full power stone
2. The weaker Egyptian gods being large planet just on their own, only needing an avatar at all, not assistance from one)
3. Gor manipulating stars in his own world with the necrosword
4. Celestials consistently being able to create stars and suns
Touching the power stone doesn’t mean you take a planet level amount of damage. Ronan holds on to it for longer than Thanos and Ronan is MUCH weaker. Also, The power stone is far beyond planetary, so this logic makes even less sense/
@@KeyIssues it was confirmed she was hit with the full force of the power stone, it wasn’t just her being touched, touching the power stone only damages and slowly destroys them, this was a full blast+punch from thanos with a beam coming off of her and his fist, and we have seen the difference in power of a blast and touching the stone (Ronan was vaporized by the beam, but could touch the stone for a while)
And when the power stone touched the planet in the flash back, it was a large planetary feat, making her at least that level in durability
And if it was far beyond planetary, wouldn’t that making the star scaling work even better?
The country level scaling was already a bit of a low ball with several characters in the MCU scaling to, or above, infinity stones
@@KeyIssues That would just upscale Thanos, who's consistently held infinity stones with little to no issue, which would ironically be more consistent with the planet to star level scaling than small island lvl in your case.
The comparison of weapons isn't just a question of the toughness of the material (Uru) but the enchantments as well. It looked like Hela shattered Mjolnir by breakign the enchantment and releasing a massve amount of magical energy, not by physically breaking it via brute force.
It didnt look like magic at all. she started to dent it and then cracks formed where the thunderstorm within mjolnir started to leak out and then it broke
She didn’t break the enchantment. It’s still on the hammer in love and thunder.
I think she was only able to do that since she was its first wielder
@@guilhermepinheiro1588 I don't think her being the first wielder mattered. Remember back when she wielded Mjolnir, there wasn't any worthiness enchantment. We saw Odin add that enchament in Thor 1, when he banished Thor. Thor being the former wielder didn't make any differencce, he wasn't able to lift the hammer while uinworthy. Of course it's possible that Hela is worthy, but it's more likely that her power is simply great enough to overcome that restriction created by Odin.
When Hela stopped the hammer in mid-flight and destroyed it, she was overcoming both the worthiness enchantment and the enchantment which causes the hammer to always return when thrown.
@@neospock5034 good point. Although i honestly dont think she overpowered the enchantments. Odin made them ( at least the worthy one) ( not sure about the other but may havr been the dwarfs), and i really dont think that any thing can break these enchantments, only go around them. Tbh if you are right, i find mjolnir being broken by that is a bit stupid since the enchantments are made to be impossible to break. The only other explanation i see is her being his first born and odin being dead she was able to wield mjolnir ( we see odin taking thors hammer in thor 1, although in a different way). Not saying you r wrong nor that im right, just saying that i find " pure strength" being the reason a bit dull and not at all reasonable ( freaking odin made it to not be broken). Correct me if im wrong but wasnt hela supposed to be its wielder, or whom it was made for? That may be one reason, idk... thats prob why they showed a pic of her using it
The statement that Namor is stronger than Thanos because he cuts through vibranium is absurd
In the first black panther movie, Tchalla throws a spear at the same type of ship Namor cuts through, and also has a similar effect, the ship is destroyed yes it may have been powered, but how do we Namors spear wasnt similarly powered
That doesnt mean Black Panther is stronger than Thanos, Thanos beats Black Panther in literally one punch in Infinity War
Namor also lost to Shuri, like what was this guy thinking when he said Namor was stronger than the biggest villain in all of phases 1-3
I agree with this video, but we can’t assume Stormbreaker and Mjolnir are equal strength. Even in Ragnarok, Gungnir stabs Hela, she doesn’t catch it and blow it up like mjolnir, so it can be inconsistent, or A kings weapons is stronger than mjolnir.
If Thanos was the penultimate villain of the Infinity Saga who was the final villain?
Zeus was afraid of the Necron sword not Gor. Also we never saw any god that gorr killed in order to scale his strength. He's also not stated to be above other pantheon deities. So thor being able to stalemate gorr doesn't mean he's above deities like Zeus or Ra. There's no solid proof to scale gorr to the deities present in omnipotent city. Then again, the nekron sword was the only thing that terrified the gods not his own power and abilities.
I don’t think Gorr was trying to destroy Storm breaker as he needed it to open eternity
Conclusion:
1- Thor 4 is no canon
2- Infinity war Thor is his prime
how are you going to say that Namor even scales to Thanos when he struggled against shuri? And was hurt by his physical strikes? And the fact she actually dead stopped one of his strikes? Seriously? Its really the weapon or he is MAJORLY inconsistent. Unless Shuri Scales above Hulk or Thor or Thanos, which she certainly does not.
She only stood any chance with him because she found his weakness which is when he doesn’t have water which severely weakened him. If he wasn’t nerfed, shuri stands no chance at all. I mean he literally solo’d the whole of wakanda.
I don't think main characters should reach Star level, it's just too ridiculous. It works in the comics but not in live action. Anywhere from country to planet level at most is enough for characters like Thor, Hulk and Namor
You can actually have characters that powerful in live action version
@@coreywilson8161 characters like the celestials and the bigger characters are fine, but with main characters it's boring
Nah man, this reasoning is the reason why the strong characters feel so lame
For as inconsistent as dc is, at least it lets the characters feel strong and fast
I’m the mcu, thor only ever feels slightly strong than the rest during fights, he’ll super soldiers in falcon in winter soldier look and feel physically stronger than thor has
Thor speed feels like he’s not any faster than captain America
The story wouldn’t be boring if characters were this strong, just make the enemies stronger if you believe that
@@sidecharacter3193 that's saying you don't want Thor to be street level and that's completely fine. But if we later see Thor destroying a solar system or something it would just be tok much for me. Leave that to characters like Arishem or Dormmamu
@@joseluis5055 arishem and dormammu should be even higher.
Was the infinity gauntlet too much for you? Considering thanos said he’d destroy the whole universe down to the last atom
I like the video, but I always thought Thor was stronger than Thanos as soon as we saw the "You should've went for the head" scene.
Thor stronger than Thanos? No, that scene just showed how powerful of a weapon Storbreaker is.
@@neospock5034 the weapon Thor powers
@@mjfadeaway22 you are confusing two different weapons. Mjolnir allowed Thor to focus his own power and summon lightning more easily, Stormbreaker does not. Mjolnir was also enchanted to grant Thor's power to any wielder who is worthy, and cannot be lifted by anyone unworthy. Stormbreaker doesn't have either of those enchantments.
Stormbreaker is the greatest weapon forged by Nidavellir, its destructive power is all its own- not from Thor. It also grants Thor the ability to summon the BiFrost, which isn't Thor's own ability. Anyone strong enough to wield Stormbreaker can do the same.
Thor can channel his lightning through it, but ever since Ragnarok he has learned to use summon lightning directly, he doesn't need any weapon for that anyone.
Hela destroyed Mjolnir by using her powers of death and rot making the molecular bonds holding Mjolnirs Uru together severely weakened to the point she could crush it. Case closed.
It's about time "How powerful is Namor".
Thanos can take brunt force trauma but he could be killed by bladed weapons, else why would he be wearing armor? Nebula spent a lot of time with him so she knew this. She attacked him with a sword in infinity war and really believed she killed him but the reality stone was already in play. Thanos played around with the guardians/avengers in titan with no fatalities but the minute Tony brought out his spear? He broke it and stabbed him. Thor hurts him instantly with Stormbreaker too. I still can't get over how nobody used this info in Endgame and tried brute force again.
Although it sounds ridiculous, now with The Marvel's, star level may not be so out of the question.
Namor slicing feat should not be a strength feat. His spear was literally said to be *Vibranium* . How did we miss that . Of course Namor is superhuman though... And of course the sound aspect is notable as well.. My argument is that Namor being a superhuman gives him way to slicing vibranium ship easier then maybe T'challa slashing the shield. The strength difference between them I would argue is big enough to consider that Namor should naturally achieve higher feats . It's like if I were to punch a brick wall with a boxing glove and it didn't budge and I probably hurt myself if I did it enough times. Meanwhile someone like Thor could use the same glove and decimate the wall..
Also I feel if we study Okoye then it should be obvious how strong a Vibranium spear is.. Okoye has been able to pierce all things she's tried. Her only downside is she's still human. Meanwhile Namor as mentioned is superhuman. My simple logic is if Okoye is able to cut whenever she's tried cutting so far then Namor should do the same with more ease(at least with earth bound materials)... This to me as mentioned earlier I feel shouldn't scale his physical strength up to hulk lvls. I feel something like that has to be proven physically..
6:41 wait the little girl doing the sign language interpretation... Whats her name?? Many years ago i stumbled upon an account on Instagram of a little blond girl and her family who all communicate through sign language i thought shed do great things and i think was starting to appear in shows. I want to know if its the same girl.
Stormbreaker is probably way more durable than mjolnir, uru has demonstrated different levels of durability, the destroyer armor was less durable than mjolnir despite both being made of uru.
To be far scarlet witch would have killed Thanos by herself if he didn’t have his fleet bombard him own army to distract her from ripping him apart, I would hate to see a Wanda that’s been trained up by the likes of the Ancient one or one of the other magical masters of the setting (and by hate I mean it would be awesome and depending on who was training her maybe terrifying)
Most of the hero’s powers seem to be been restrained by their own mental limiters.
Isn't it still the movie lore that the hammer was forged in core of a star and that star blew up on top of it and hella goes on to break it with her hand , isn't it also the case that in thor one Thor destroyed byefrost that contain enough energy to make a black hole that also consumes multiple stars .
On top of this isn't it stated that the crater on the jotunheim is 100 times in size of the Grand Canyon Plus is it also stated the destroyer blast are light and even took place in one frame.
Also Thor 2 the Dark World the ships that were taken down had black holes engines and even by the lowest downplay isn't it stated that the Leviathan cannot be hurt by the Iron Man suit even if they blast it until reactor runs out of energy in the Continental range of power.
This isn't taking Into account tie in comics
Facts
i think mjolnir being broken by hela is wrongly taken. since hela was its original wielder, i think thats the reason it broke
Why would her being the former wielder matter? Thor being the most recent wielder didn't matter when he was banished to to Earth, he couldn't lift it because he wasn't worthy at the time.
There was no worthiness enchantment upon Mjolnir back when Hela used it. But whether or not she's worthy, she clearly prevented the hammer from returning to Thor, so she was overpowering at least one enchantment, and probably two.
@@neospock5034 true, i think its the fact that she is now rightful queen of asgard so odins magic transfers to her and thats why she can do that, and combine that with her being the original, we dont know if she did something to the hammer or not enchantment wise. If we talking about pure force than the hulk being stronger than hela would also be able to do that.
@@guilhermepinheiro1588 yes that could be it.. Upon Odin's death his power would have transferred to her.
@@neospock5034 ye, but we really cant know for sure. Hope they someday give a good explanation though
i hope we see ra in the mcu soon
I don’t think namor is stronger than Thanos for all the things the movie shows. A new and almost inexperienced Shuri managed to beat him. Yeah it’s the brains vs strength type of battle but still like at he’s max I don’t see him doing much more than what Hulk did in IW. Maybe he can perform a little better but Thanos is really smart and could find a counter and defeat him easy. Still good video. I think Thor is definitely stronger than before and Thanos but not sure how much cause Love and Thunder was pretty inconsistent, I do believe you’re Uru and stormbreaker are stronger than what you say, but again inconsistencies.
namor literally had most of his strength taken away
@@nathenb.9198 i know but that is such a big flaw that anyone could take advance of it, specially Thanos who planned a counter for almost every avenger.
Thor
God of Thunder
Lord of Lightning
Son of Odin
King of Asgard
Ruler of the 9 Realms
Strongest Avenger
Space Viking
Member of Guardians of the Galaxy
Norse Legend
....I can keep going
Comic thanos would't like this video...(thanos was nerfed a lot in comics he dogwalks every character here)
The power of cheese whiz is unparalleled
Cheese whiz and lightning
I don't think the ships are pure vibranium since they made such a big deal about namor's spear being made of pure vibranium.
Problem with your Namor aircraft logic is that Black Panther literally does the exact same thing in his first movie by throwing a vibranium spear, meaning that it's less likely to be a strength thing and more of a vibranium beats vibranium thing.
Interesting video... but I don't think the makers of the Marvel films have ever cared about consistency when it comes to strength levels of characters within their universe. Power scaling in the MCU has been broken and contradictory since the get go.
I haven't watched this movie in a long while but wasn't there a time where he destroyed a planet easily wouldn't that make him planet level+?
There's quite a few videos that put Thor at solar system to universal levels, and consistently too throughout too. He was star level in the first Thor movie.
lol
@@KeyIssues So I completely agree with you that the feats should back the statements, or do greater to back it. I also agree in consistency.
However, you downplay MCU characters, but don't do the same with DCEU characters. That's bias. Taking the worst showcases of a few things to fit a narrative. You don't do this with DCEU characters though. Just MCU.
Superman in a daze resisted the lasso of truth, so he has magic resistance? Based off what? He was confused, so not being able to answer a question isn't the same as him fully aware and awake and ignoring it.
Story > feats, but that's a personal preference.
Do I think DCEU Superman is more powerful than MCU Thor? Yes. I think DCEU Superman would beat Thor high diff.
Comics though, Thor is vastly more powerful than Superman. Thor would easily destroy him.
Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy the videos and I know it takes a lot of time and effort to make these. I am a Thor fanboy. But I will also agree, I was wrong that Thor was universal levels lol. Fanboy recognizes fanboy.
MCU never really had a set good power scaling or consistent one tbh it's all literally plot armor or what moves the narrative that benefits the MC at their current situation. Disney just meddling way to much for what sells, all phase 4 movies and show just feel empty to me also i want to love them so bad but at least they look nice and are entertaining. fans should voice their opinions and hope disney listen and take into consideration.
I'm interested in your Scarlet Witch scaling now after Multiverse of Madness. Most say she's Multiversal now. I say she's at Planetary at the low ends and High Universal since she destroyed the Mind stone which has infinite power even before her ascension into the scarlet witch.
Tbh she only destroyed it cause she was enchanced by it and her power has similarities to the stone. Dont know how to explain it right but its what vision said in IW. Its not about the amount of power she has, its more the type of power that made her able to destroy it
@@guilhermepinheiro1588 True cause with that logic, thor could've destroyed the stones as well. Thor was Stronger than Wanda in IW but he couldn't destroy an infinity stone with his own power.
@@isaiahdoesmusic9349 he couldnt because his power isnt similar to the mindstone's. Wanda was only able to destroy it cause her power was similar to that of the mindstone ( or something like that) since it was the mindstone that enchanced her.
@@guilhermepinheiro1588 But that doesn't take away her scaling, just because she was amplified by it, that still means she has that amount of power, not to mention literally destroying the mind stone on screen which has stated to have infinite power (High universal or infinite 3D). I'm not totally sure on the feat of her destroying an infinite amount of darkholds across the Multiverse because I don't know for sure if it was linked to the temple she destroyed.
@@isaiahdoesmusic9349 He was not stronger than Wanda lol 😂. I really hoped we would see her fight Thanos without the distraction of destroying the mind stone with the other hand. To that point I would scale her to High universal AP because of the mind stone feat but I think Thanos with the gauntlet would win at that point. But Scarlet witch status would win via out scaling.
Vibranium is of various types and the thing that makes vibranium better is its ability to absorb kinetic energy thats why Adamantium being more denser and powerful than vibranium is still inferior to it
And the reason that namor was able to cut the ships were because namors vibranium is better than wakandium vibranium and the frequency of namors vibranium is more than that of wakandium vibranium that's why he was able to penetrate the ships
And uru is more denser and more durable and powerful than vibranium
And the reason why stormbreaker didn't break because its the most powerful weapon of asgard and it was able to survive the infinity stones and it should have various enchantments to make him more powerful
Odins weapon Gungnir, AKA “The Spear of Heaven" was more powerful than mjolnir and gungnir was able to physically damage hela and storm breaker is stated to be more powerful than gungnir by eitri as he said its the most powerful weapon of Asgard
U forget the fact that camptain America shield made of more than only vibraium
In the MCU Captain America's shield is pure virbanium, not the accidentally created super-alloy from the comics.
I really really don't buy anything above continental levels power for the strongest heroes or villains of MCU.. planet levels to star levels of power for the very very very powerful characters in that universe
Dude some of them are above continental
@@coreywilson8161 not the movie versions. The MCU isn't the comic book universe.
No.
@Key Issues your Namor - Vibranium Arguments are very poorly made.
I dont really understand why on some occasions it is easy, on others it is difficult to destroy Vibranium. But thats just what it is...
Namor might slice through those ships, but Okoye did so too with a Vibranium car. Shuri did so too with Namors staff, corvus glaive did so too with his Uru Weapon, Comparing it to what Thanos could do with his Uru Blade and that Thanos is a lot stronger, it simply has a lot to do with sharpness. Also Namor couldnt get through those Vibranium Windows. But some WATERBOMBS could i mean so Water must be stronger than Thanos.
In addition to that Namor was very strong but not too much, rather very agile, fast and precise. He cuoldnt cut through the ship when he was in it too BTW.
Referring to the wood, it probably is nowhere near Vibranium, in Black Panther 1 Chadwick also broke mbakus mask in half, which looked as if made from the same wood, which would only make sense. In addition we have no proof that all the ships are made out of vibranium, especially not pure one, because otherwise why wouldnt just every single wakandan warrior get a complete vibraniium body suit?? I guess they DO NOT have as much as always stated, or it is hard to create things with it, or they just want to use only little to save much for thousands of years going forward or whatever.
Hey bro I plan on making a yt channel soon with powerscaling vids. Only thing I don't know how to put in pic or videos in sync with my audio for the pics or vids to be in sync with my voiceover? Any tips would be appreciated as well as what software you use.
I don’t think hela is even that more powerful than even ragnerok Thor, we see thanos actually body a more powerful Thor vs what hela does to Thor, in the beginning of ragnerok we see hela easily break mijolnir but when she has Thor by the throat she tries to stab him rather than snap his neck and at no moment would hela ever hold back so she just wasn’t able to snack Thors neck and he broke out of her grip, later in the movie hela is exponentially stronger and Thors still able to 1v1 her and he even gets a killing blow with gungnir. And after he awakens his power he knocks her out for several minutes while he rampages her army, then after he fights again he is more than holding his own, now he still can’t beat her but he once again knocks her out while destroying a chunk of the rainbow bridge, a feat that shows how far he’s grown since Thor 1 when it took several blows from mijolnir to crack it. And Thor did it with one blow while knocking out hela. And stormbreaker only amplifies his power and it does it better than mijolnir, stormbreaker his more powerful than mijolnir while it doesn’t seem like it not only is it confirmed to be more powerful by Thor it is by the Russo brothers themselves. Thors lightning once again is shown to be more powerful from infinity war to endgame, he floored thanos in IF and it didn’t do any noticeable damage and in endgame cap wields Thors lightning with an inferior weapon and it does significant damage, so Thors lightning only grows in power, once it only knocked hela out but who knows that it can do to her now, not only that but with stormbreaker Thor could take a decisive blow against her by chopping off her head, so a weaker Thor has already knocked her out twice but now he has something capable of killing thanos, he definitely beats hela, Thors lightning also noticeably makes Thor physically stronger, helping him break out of gorrs webs shit. Thanos took on endgame Thor who is superior to Ragnerok thor, took on mk 85 iron man and amped cap, I believe he beats hela. As for gorr, he beats thor repeatedly and thor should be more powerful than hela with feats alone. Gorr also takes on mighty thor who is at least more powerful than amped cap, Valkyrie who has been shown to be able to help take on hela and she was also wielding the thunder bolt, she also stabs gorr through the chest. And Thor who is much more powerful than he was in ragnerok and now wield stormbreaker, gorr takes on all three of them while hela was struggling against only Thor and Valkyrie both lacking very powerful weapons and Thor lighting not being as powerful.
Why are folks constantly trying to power up Thor? Love and Thunder was ridiculous, Thor is no where near Zeus level...
What are you yapping about?😂 Thor literally trained for months probably years and has increased his destructive capabilities. Dude literally destroys cities in one blow , destroys parts of planets and even destroyed the moon by just calling and GRABBING Storm breaker. Maybe that’s why people power him up because he’s powered up himself ????????????
@@yezzojey_7562 Yet Thanos, wthout The Infinity Gauntlet, beat him like a rag doll. Thor fanatics really do see different movies than the rest of the world...
Look man you are right but gorr's intention was not to break storm breaker bcz he needed it to reach eternity. That's why he wasn’t breaking anything
Who knows. Maybe Thanos will come back and get a major power boost, like he unlocks some powers like in the comics like telepathic resistance, energy blast, laser vision, something like trapping stronger beings in a cube or something like that.
Your definitely missing some context with these feats,
1. Hela used to own mjnoir, which led her to break it easier
2. The only reason mjnoir broke the necrosword is because the worthy enchantment not bc it’s more powerful
Didnt Hela Also Wield Mjolnir Once?
I personally think I'd put Thor currently at large island level to mabey even small county level. But hey that's just me.
I really hope they give him more substantial feats that are NOT ONLY STATED BUT ALSO SHOWN!!!
Great vid by the way 🥰
Funnily there’s an outright country feat if you’re interested
@@ItsButterBean1020 Doesn't destroying that giant piece of Sakovia count as large island level
@@sizweshongwe7312 it does
However there’s a calculation from Thor 1 of Thor shaking Jotunheim and busting a continental shelf that for Country Level
@@ItsButterBean1020 Woah, I guess I've been underestimating Thor for a while 😅
@@sizweshongwe7312 yeah it’s fairly recent haha
Very fun changes to the mega
the necro sword is strong with magic and capabilities bot made to cut or do damage that way sure its sharp
Unfortunately I think the inconsistency of the power of the Necroblade is due to the fact that Love and Thunder is a terrible movie
I don't think it's fair to use the fact that Gorr didn't break stormbreaker in-order to argue he is weaker than Hella. You could maybe Argue that Hella broke Mjolnir because she is a god of weapons, or because of her bloodline connection to Thor and Odin.
But regardless of explanation, I think it's better to call it an inconsistency. The fact of the matter is, we don't consider Thor to be wall level, just because he didnt vaporise the car in-order to escape. We also wouldn't consider Superman to be normal human level, if Some equally powerful villain stabbed him with a normal steel knife.
Thor was beaten by Hela, but he was not instantly obliterated by her. So he was weaker, but not much weaker. It is by no means a stretch to think he is stronger than her by now. So I don't think it's a stretch to say Gorr is stronger than Hella. Especially given that all other gods were afraid of him.
I do agree that the star level scaling is too finicky of an argument at the moment though. We just don't know enough about the other gods, about their relationship to the celestials, or about the celestials themselves to say that.
4:33 bro that made me laugh idk why
Thanos at country level i would agree with that and i would place pre awaken Thor at small country level and awaken Thor at large country
Thor is as strong as if not stronger than captain marvel who could reignite a star and destroyed the bifrost which could make a black hole and suck in stars so in his first movie he was already star level and could tango with malekith who could reality warp the universe and no the convergence is stated to only amplify its range not the ei thers power so it could do it by itself so this video needs to be updated
Are Asgardains considered Gods? I mean all the Gods we see bleed gold, and the more powerful ones like Zeus don’t die, they get weak and Incapacitated yes but they don’t fully die which I’m pretty sure is accurate to myth where gods can’t die, at least Greek myth, yet Norse Myth gods do, but they aren’t called gods, they are called Aesir. Asgardians aren’t gods, some of them have godly powers but they bleed red and most of them come from other realms, that one Warriors 3 guy I’m pretty sure is shown in Dark World coming from like Alfheim or something and Loki is a Frost Giant, so that means Asgardians come from other realms and places, Asgardians aren’t really a race, they are a people. Greek Gods are Immortal, they can’t die, and Odin says to Loki “we are not gods, we’re born, we live, we die” so I don’t think Asgardians are gods, yet they can surpass gods
The MCU is a different universe from the comics but yeah- comic book Asgardians indeed are not true immortals, and in the MCU they're a powerful race with 5000 year lifespans. Of course as of Thor: Ragnarok some thing were retconned so they're godlike now than back in Phase 1 when they were officially aliens mistaken for gods. Still, the MCU hasn't been very consistent on such things.
Scarlet Witch had him
i say they nerfed stormbreaker because if it was not destroyed by the necro sword then it shuold break it as well but even then the movie didn't focused on the lesson thor recevied in infinity war
Depends on how you would scale star level I mean he has took the full force of a dying star for several minutes to durability yes star level