I've never had a problem with my shell extractor, the gun fires well, I have no complaints. He says he isn't an expert on shotguns, and I believe it. I highly recommend this gun. A Mossberg guy pretending to be "impartial."
@@networkinc.6825 I do shoot fairly often, sporting clays. I shoot SxS and over-under for that though. My brother shoots an 870 for clays, and all things being equal it is generally fine, with the only issue being the extractor started going out and jamming up, but that didn't happen for years and thousands of rounds. I like 870's just fine, but I know in recent years Remington has had QC issues as they've been handling bankruptcy etc. Mossberg...hasn't.
The Remington 870 is the Greatest shotgun of all time!!! It’s a solid design, extremely reliable, and one of the smoothest actions on a pump you’re ever going to find. For all the issues you have, I gotta say it’s you, not the gun. You need to spend more time with it, get some training. You are the only person I have ever known to not recommend the 870.
I bought the 870 hardwood home defense back in February this year. it ejects pretty well maybe they ironed that out within the year or two after they went bankrupt.mine is the four round version.
The BEST Home Defense Ammo Is The FEDERAL FLIGHT CONTROL, 12ga 00-Buck, 8 Pellet, Reduced Recoil Load... They Will Put A FIST Size Hole In The Target...
???? I retired from police work after 30 years and your comments are a surprise. The 870 is the gold standard. The new 870 action is just a rehash of the gun first made in the 1950s. You need to put some muscle into working that slide. Not sure what shotshell you used but 20-25 yards is pushing 00 Buck perhaps you need to try some slugs. It's a home defense gun right?, up close and personal, from my experience few people own a home with a room 25 yards across. You admit you aren't much of a shotgun shooter perhaps some dedicated range time will change your opinion. With that credential I'd be hesitant to review anything, particularly the best selling pump shotgun of all time. They aren't carried 24/7 in tens of thousands of cop cars all across the country for no proven reasons.
@@brandonmartinez9710 It;s nice but I am not really impressed. The magazine is tough to get out (not real bad, but a pain in the butt). The wood stock is nice but I like my Mossberg Maverick better.
U Need To ADD The: *1) Remington TL-RACKER Pump/1000 Lumen Light Combo... *2) Remington TACTILOAD FLASH-5 STOCK, It Add's 5 Extra Rds Inside The Stock... *3) A 6rd Side Shell Carrier...
I prefer the 21" vent-rib barrel with the remchoke option. I use the extended turkey choke with loads from #6 to #8 for a yard/home defense gun. With the slightly longer barrel and the extended choke....my shells are always on target. I feel that even with the lighter load....I will be putting more lead on target than using buck of any number and a cylindar choke. Plus, with the rem-choke system...the barrel becomes much more versitile for other stuff. I've seen Hickock45 use his short barrel for really fun slug shooting. He hits targets that are pretty far away too. You can totally trick out an 870 with tons of great items. I would also recommend a non-MiM extractor...they are a pretty cheap upgrade. And you can keep the MiM for a backup if ever needed. The Hogue pistol grip and forend are an awesome upgrade. I highly recommend it if you want a small house gun option. I have both...the yard gun and the house gun....just incase. Of course, both can be quickly reset to bird gun or deer gun in about 10 minutes. I also recommend putting a light coating of gun grease on the Parkerized finish ever now and again. It will keep the scratches from rusting up on you....depending on the humidity level in your area. Thanks for the video!!
The reason the home defense shotgun doesn't have a sling is the same reason prison shotguns don't use slings.... during high stress situations the sling can get caught up/wrapped/tangled during the pumping action. Put a sling on your hunting shotgun never on your home defense shotgun.
You can get a better extractor for $20 and install it yourself that would fix your problem. I got the same 870 right around the same time the only issue I've had with it is low brass steel shotgun shells sticking in the chamber
The 870 has a ribbon spring ejector riveted to the receiver. The ejector can be recontoured for better ejection. The reviewer has little experience and it would be reasonable for him to consult some one with more experience.
1.)This is why shotgun instructors tell you to pattern many different loads in your shotgun until you get one that patterns to your satisfaction. A shotgun barrel is just a hollow tube.2.)You're using cheap, imported buckshot. Try Federal FliteControl or the Hornady VersaTite Wad. You'll get a much tighter pattern than you would with unbuffered buckshot out of a shell. You might also try copper-plated shot that helps prevent pellet deformation.
I have a Remington 870 Tactical with the same wood furniture. The Federal Flight control wads always pattern great, they are hard to find.. I've never had a problem with ejection, I'm sorry your having those problems with the ejection.
I have had a Wingmaster 12ga in my safe since 1966 and still have one to this day. I have had an Express which I had trouble with and a Browning BPS which was too pretty to take in the bush. The original Wingmaster is the F150 of the shotgun trade. Moddable to the extreme and absolutely reliable. Fortunately all the screwups the pencilpushers made when Rem got bought can be fixed by getting Wingmaster parts for it. Tough as nails.
So a few suggestions #1 replace your extractor the volquartsen is a good option for around 20 bucks #2 maybe add a choke and use higher velocity loads to get a tighter grouping #3 learn the point of aim for better accuracy…
That is a pretty typical pattern size for that type of ammunition at that range. The cheap buckshot like that is just pellets in a hull with a felt wad. They produce the largest patterns. If you want tighter you need to get a higher end hunting load that’s made with a shot cup and grex (buffering compound). Which will produce tighter patterns. And if you want the tightest patterns you need to buy federal flitecontrol or Hornady versatite loadings. Which will produce pretty absurdly tight patterns out to some pretty ridiculous ranges.
Correct I was having weak ejection/extraction issues. It started out good for about 50 rounds. Then I started having stove pipes in very weak extraction. I would get a stove pipe probably one or two out every other mag tube so I decided to put the valqautzen extractor, edit and knock on wood haven’t had a problem since
You obviously don't know what your talking about and should research before you talk crap. 1- Shotguns usually shoot high, 2- those patterns are pretty good for home defence. 3 - That ammo has no buffering in it at all, which will have a lot of spread.
You know why it patterns like that? It's because the barrel that you have doesn't have a choke. You'll have to buy a barrel that can take chokes. If you want a tight pattern full choke will do it but you can't fire slugs. Use a improved cylinder choke. Then you can fire slugs and buckshot a little bit more accurately and completely safe.
I would recommend paying more and getting one from Vang Comp. They take 870s and pretty much rework the entire gun and sell it under their model name. Also you can send them a shotgun to work on.
Thx for your vid. Thumbs up Subbed 1:58 What is the name of the sling mount/name of the type of mount? Can't find it over here across the pond (edit) Arhh - my bad. It comes with the sling
Yes generally 18" barrels are cylinder bore but you can buy shorter barrels that accept chokes to tighten spread. Barrel length means nothing without knowing what the choke is.
More than likely, your problem is going to be your extractor Remington. I’ve been putting in Mim extractors get a solid metal extractor and I’m pretty sure your problem will go away. I had the same issues probably about after 50 rounds put through it from being brand new, I started having stove pipes and very weak extraction, although Remington 870 s don’t really have the greatest extractions are ejection anyway, but the upgraded extractor knock on wood has done the trick for me, and I haven’t had any problems since
I believe Resident Evil uses the Remington 870 police magnum version I upgraded my home defense to look like the police model the blue model is very hard to find
The quality and reliability in the new remingtons is back... Any 870 made before 2021 and post 2000 is pretty much a gamble in terms of its mechanical reliability and workmanship. For almost 20 years, Remington limped along making weapons of dubious quality which was a terrible shame given the fact that the 870 was a great gun and among the best pump shotguns ever made. And don't even get me started on what they did to Marlin..🤬 Hopefully, Roundhill Group will stay committed to bringing back Remington's rep for quality products.
What you keep saying is “I don’t know” and “I’m not a shotgun expert” but yet you are doing a shotgun review ! Stick to something you know ! My 1977, 870 Wingmaster is dead nuts on and never had ejection issues, ever !
Take it to a gunsmith, and ask him about the proper choke. Show him the patterning. A proper choke would control the spread of the shot for you. This should be an easy fix. p.s. I think you need a new ejector spring.
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First, your Remington is fine. You are the reason your spreads look so scattered. You chose cheap ammo. You need to educate yourself on ammunition. If you don't want spreads, you need to purchase an ammo with a specially designed wad that reduces spread. Also, at 10 yards you were apparently flinching, causing your pellets to throw to the left.
Mine runs great, slugs at 100 on steel, 7 shot and 6 on steel easy 25 yards. Yeah I think you have operater error, you need to rack that effer to eject, I think your limping it
The problem isnt the gun, its the soyboy reviewing it. I have one, and it works great!! Theres a reason law enforcement, and military stand by this beauty. If you dont want it sell it so a real man can shuck those shells.
Okay don't blame the guns patterning because you only have an 18 1/2 inch barrel so it's not a beyond 10 , 20 or more yards kinda gun it's a home defense gun so it's a 7 yards and closer for better patterning !! I have a late 80's 870 magnum with a 21 inch barrel with the remchokes and I use the improved cylinder and have a lot better patterning then yours but also not at any distances further than 7 or 8 yards !!! I also think it's your cylinder bore that's giving you such a poor patterning !!!
Every single 870 made after about 2007 is fucking garbage. I’ve got a 1980s Wingmaster Police kitted out for home defense. It’s a fantastic gun. The Remingtons made in the past 20 years are horrible quality.
I would never ever put a light on a 12 gauge pump. I don't want the bad guy knowing where I'm at. Lights, opticals, garage door openers are nothing but gimmicks for firearm novices. Racking the slide on a shotgun is a universal sound any criminal will recognize and he will be doing his damnest to get out of the house after hearing that sound, no flashlight needed. Everyone thinks they're on a swat team lol
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this has got to be one of the shotguns ever
There’s no way It’s been 5 months since he uploaded this and he hasn’t noticed
@@WraithlikeLuke 6 months and counting
One of something
@@WraithlikeLuke Now he has a moral obligation for the sake of amusement to never change that title ever again. Lol
😂
I love the title. Its so accurate. It is infact one of the shotguns ever made.
I've never had a problem with my shell extractor, the gun fires well, I have no complaints. He says he isn't an expert on shotguns, and I believe it. I highly recommend this gun. A Mossberg guy pretending to be "impartial."
As a firearm junkie who owns a couple of shotguns, I can agree with you that your 870 is also "one of the shotguns ever made".
😂😂😂
I picked up a new field master. I’m seeing way better quality compared to my express
Not all ammunition is created equal. Shotguns pattern different and test different ammunition for desired results.
it was one of many shotguns ever made, 100% agree. Not only is it one of the many shotguns ever made, but the best shotguns ever made.
Once upon a time it may have been the best, but it has sadly slipped in quality over the years. Mossberg is king now.
@@jamesbuchanan3145 yep, I had bad luck with Mossberg.
@@jamesbuchanan3145,,not at all,,870 is the goat,,do you shoot often????
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I do shoot fairly often, sporting clays. I shoot SxS and over-under for that though. My brother shoots an 870 for clays, and all things being equal it is generally fine, with the only issue being the extractor started going out and jamming up, but that didn't happen for years and thousands of rounds. I like 870's just fine, but I know in recent years Remington has had QC issues as they've been handling bankruptcy etc. Mossberg...hasn't.
The Remington 870 is the Greatest shotgun of all time!!! It’s a solid design, extremely reliable, and one of the smoothest actions on a pump you’re ever going to find. For all the issues you have, I gotta say it’s you, not the gun.
You need to spend more time with it, get some training.
You are the only person I have ever known to not recommend the 870.
I bought the 870 hardwood home defense back in February this year. it ejects pretty well maybe they ironed that out within the year or two after they went bankrupt.mine is the four round version.
I picked up a new field master a few months back and man it’s nice! Quality is higher than the express model
If we are talking pump shotguns the 870 is the GOAT.
I picked up a new field master and man I’m actually impressed. A lot better quality compared to my express
I recently picked up one and added the carlsons plus 3 tube .. love the 870s
The BEST Home Defense Ammo Is
The FEDERAL FLIGHT CONTROL, 12ga 00-Buck, 8 Pellet, Reduced Recoil Load... They Will Put A FIST Size Hole In The Target...
???? I retired from police work after 30 years and your comments are a surprise. The 870 is the gold standard. The new 870 action is just a rehash of the gun first made in the 1950s. You need to put some muscle into working that slide. Not sure what shotshell you used but 20-25 yards is pushing 00 Buck perhaps you need to try some slugs. It's a home defense gun right?, up close and personal, from my experience few people own a home with a room 25 yards across. You admit you aren't much of a shotgun shooter perhaps some dedicated range time will change your opinion. With that credential I'd be hesitant to review anything, particularly the best selling pump shotgun of all time. They aren't carried 24/7 in tens of thousands of cop cars all across the country for no proven reasons.
Ah yes an 8 1/2 inch barrel. Definitely one of the shotguns ever made
It looks absolutely gorgeous, doesn't it?
Yes, if nothing else, it is a classy looking gun.
I just ordered a 870 dm with 3 magazines. Can't wait to see if it really is one of the shotguns ever made.
How’d you like it
@@brandonmartinez9710 It;s nice but I am not really impressed. The magazine is tough to get out (not real bad, but a pain in the butt). The wood stock is nice but I like my Mossberg Maverick better.
U Need To ADD The:
*1) Remington TL-RACKER
Pump/1000 Lumen Light Combo...
*2) Remington TACTILOAD
FLASH-5 STOCK, It Add's 5
Extra Rds Inside The Stock...
*3) A 6rd Side Shell Carrier...
I prefer the 21" vent-rib barrel with the remchoke option. I use the extended turkey choke with loads from #6 to #8 for a yard/home defense gun. With the slightly longer barrel and the extended choke....my shells are always on target. I feel that even with the lighter load....I will be putting more lead on target than using buck of any number and a cylindar choke. Plus, with the rem-choke system...the barrel becomes much more versitile for other stuff.
I've seen Hickock45 use his short barrel for really fun slug shooting. He hits targets that are pretty far away too.
You can totally trick out an 870 with tons of great items. I would also recommend a non-MiM extractor...they are a pretty cheap upgrade. And you can keep the MiM for a backup if ever needed.
The Hogue pistol grip and forend are an awesome upgrade. I highly recommend it if you want a small house gun option. I have both...the yard gun and the house gun....just incase. Of course, both can be quickly reset to bird gun or deer gun in about 10 minutes.
I also recommend putting a light coating of gun grease on the Parkerized finish ever now and again. It will keep the scratches from rusting up on you....depending on the humidity level in your area.
Thanks for the video!!
The reason the home defense shotgun doesn't have a sling is the same reason prison shotguns don't use slings.... during high stress situations the sling can get caught up/wrapped/tangled during the pumping action. Put a sling on your hunting shotgun never on your home defense shotgun.
Tell me you've never carried a shotgun (or any long gun) in harm's way without saying, "I've never carried a shotgun in harm's way".
ONE OF THE SHOTGUNS EVER
You can get a better extractor for $20 and install it yourself that would fix your problem. I got the same 870 right around the same time the only issue I've had with it is low brass steel shotgun shells sticking in the chamber
The 870 has a ribbon spring ejector riveted to the receiver. The ejector can be recontoured for better ejection. The reviewer has little experience and it would be reasonable for him to consult some one with more experience.
Try Hornady Critical Defense with the Versa-tite Wad. You'll know where the money went when you see the magic shrinking group size.
1.)This is why shotgun instructors tell you to pattern many different loads in your shotgun until you get one that patterns to your satisfaction. A shotgun barrel is just a hollow tube.2.)You're using cheap, imported buckshot. Try Federal FliteControl or the Hornady VersaTite Wad. You'll get a much tighter pattern than you would with unbuffered buckshot out of a shell. You might also try copper-plated shot that helps prevent pellet deformation.
I have a Remington 870 Tactical with the same wood furniture. The Federal Flight control wads always pattern great, they are hard to find.. I've never had a problem with ejection, I'm sorry your having those problems with the ejection.
I have a new field master and man it’s super nice
When a company stops caring about its products
I have had a Wingmaster 12ga in my safe since 1966 and still have one to this day. I have had an Express which I had trouble with and a Browning BPS which was too pretty to take in the bush. The original Wingmaster is the F150 of the shotgun trade. Moddable to the extreme and absolutely reliable. Fortunately all the screwups the pencilpushers made when Rem got bought can be fixed by getting Wingmaster parts for it. Tough as nails.
I picked up a new field master and I’m actually pretty impressed
So a few suggestions #1 replace your extractor the volquartsen is a good option for around 20 bucks #2 maybe add a choke and use higher velocity loads to get a tighter grouping #3 learn the point of aim for better accuracy…
Oh dang you bought the ever made shells too
One of the shotguns ever made
That is a pretty typical pattern size for that type of ammunition at that range. The cheap buckshot like that is just pellets in a hull with a felt wad. They produce the largest patterns. If you want tighter you need to get a higher end hunting load that’s made with a shot cup and grex (buffering compound). Which will produce tighter patterns. And if you want the tightest patterns you need to buy federal flitecontrol or Hornady versatite loadings. Which will produce pretty absurdly tight patterns out to some pretty ridiculous ranges.
It’s that extractor put the real metal valqaurtzen ejector in it
Correct I was having weak ejection/extraction issues. It started out good for about 50 rounds. Then I started having stove pipes in very weak extraction. I would get a stove pipe probably one or two out every other mag tube so I decided to put the valqautzen extractor, edit and knock on wood haven’t had a problem since
The pic on gun dealer's site shows a loop in the back for a sling. Wonder it was updated.
Put a full choke in it to tighten up the pattern. Your using a wide open choke out of an 18.5 barrel.
Depending on what ammo he uses a choke will have diminishing returns alot of buck doesn't do well with chokes supposedly.
You obviously don't know what your talking about and should research before you talk crap. 1- Shotguns usually shoot high, 2- those patterns are pretty good for home defence. 3 - That ammo has no buffering in it at all, which will have a lot of spread.
I have one of these shotguns ever made. It's a 1953 wingmaster version 😊😊😊
That’s not an uncommon spread for 00 Buck at those distances imo. Most likely your ammo selection
You know why it patterns like that? It's because the barrel that you have doesn't have a choke. You'll have to buy a barrel that can take chokes. If you want a tight pattern full choke will do it but you can't fire slugs. Use a improved cylinder choke. Then you can fire slugs and buckshot a little bit more accurately and completely safe.
If u want to tighten the pattern use a damn slug.
@@thomaspounds9031 At close range there not gonna be able to tell if they got hit by buck shot or slug. Believe me. Have fun cleaning up the mess.
Resident evil fan here
It is a great game.
I would recommend paying more and getting one from Vang Comp. They take 870s and pretty much rework the entire gun and sell it under their model name. Also you can send them a shotgun to work on.
Wilson Combat also does something similar.
Thx for your vid. Thumbs up
Subbed
1:58 What is the name of the sling mount/name of the type of mount? Can't find it over here across the pond
(edit) Arhh - my bad. It comes with the sling
You have a shorter barrel which will cause a wider spread. If you want a tighter spread, opt for a longer barrel.
Yes generally 18" barrels are cylinder bore but you can buy shorter barrels that accept chokes to tighten spread. Barrel length means nothing without knowing what the choke is.
More than likely, your problem is going to be your extractor Remington. I’ve been putting in Mim extractors get a solid metal extractor and I’m pretty sure your problem will go away. I had the same issues probably about after 50 rounds put through it from being brand new, I started having stove pipes and very weak extraction, although Remington 870 s don’t really have the greatest extractions are ejection anyway, but the upgraded extractor knock on wood has done the trick for me, and I haven’t had any problems since
Does that pump interfere with a side saddle?
That's a six shell extension, not a seven. 👍
Maybe the 6+1 is with 3 inch shells. 7 with 2 3/4 are possible.
flash light would make you a brighter target right?
Nice setup
So does it look nice? Is it a good looking shotgun?
I own the same shotgun and it looks very nice dark satin hardwood with a mattblued finish
I was wondering is it worth getting the police one
I think you should try different brands of ammo. If all else fails sell it to me
I believe Resident Evil uses the Remington 870 police magnum version I upgraded my home defense to look like the police model the blue model is very hard to find
The quality and reliability in the new remingtons is back... Any 870 made before 2021 and post 2000 is pretty much a gamble in terms of its mechanical reliability and workmanship. For almost 20 years, Remington limped along making weapons of dubious quality which was a terrible shame given the fact that the 870 was a great gun and among the best pump shotguns ever made. And don't even get me started on what they did to Marlin..🤬 Hopefully, Roundhill Group will stay committed to bringing back Remington's rep for quality products.
Can you tell where you purchased this at? all i can find is the new old stock with the plain hardwood stock
Can I use this shotgun for hunting as well?
Yes you can. you will have to buy a sperate longer barrel for hunting
@@paulbartlett3128 Thank You
@@benjaminifraimov5190 glad I can help 😊
Patterning a shotgun intended for home defense at 20yds?
How big is your house!?!
What you keep saying is “I don’t know” and “I’m not a shotgun expert” but yet you are doing a shotgun review ! Stick to something you know ! My 1977, 870 Wingmaster is dead nuts on and never had ejection issues, ever !
Take it to a gunsmith, and ask him about the proper choke. Show him the patterning. A proper choke would control the spread of the shot for you. This should be an easy fix.
p.s. I think you need a new ejector spring.
Dude get yourself a slingshot not a shotgun 😂 you got no glue
Never had any problems the 870s
That weak ejection is pretty normal for the 870.
6 + 1. Not a seven round magazine
Maybe the 6+1 is with 3 inch shells. 7 with 2 3/4 are possible.
Nice shotty, definitely one of the shotguns ever!
What ammo are you using? Test out different loads.
if you didn't like the pattern why didn't he buy some different ammo to test the pattern ?????
Hi. Where did you get you tac light and mount Thanks
I don't remember the mount, but that's some flavor of Monstrum brand compact light. They're very cheap, but I've had at least one that broke.
shotgun does shotgun stuff and guy complains
Yes, it is definitely one of the shotguns ever made?
Actually I had an 870 that didn't kick the shells out very well AT ALL my 88 kicked them out with authority FYI
Logaria, it's your presentation, try not to ask so many questions . . .
oh my god, oh my god
One of what shotguns ever made?
What is the name of the sling that you have on your 870?
It's this. If TH-cam doesn't allow the link you search for EZ Sling on Amazon.
www.amazon.com/Ez-GunsSling-Universal-Non-Swivel-Blackpowder/dp/B01E6DAQDC/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=ez+sling&qid=1653498424&sr=8-3
This review is one of the ever… I mean I’m no expert but wow. Ever review…..
6+1 7 ?
Gotta try different ammo. So what if that cheap junk doesn’t pattern well. Put a few different loads from different manufacturers.
New Remington 870s are hot dog shit ! Buy a Wingmaster or an older police magnum ! Or better yet go buy a Mossberg 500 and be done with it
Nah I have a new one and I like it better than my 590A1
First, your Remington is fine. You are the reason your spreads look so scattered. You chose cheap ammo. You need to educate yourself on ammunition. If you don't want spreads, you need to purchase an ammo with a specially designed wad that reduces spread. Also, at 10 yards you were apparently flinching, causing your pellets to throw to the left.
Eaxactly
"Two and three inch or three inch". Or, for the non-metric users out there, two and three-quarter inch.
Mine runs great, slugs at 100 on steel, 7 shot and 6 on steel easy 25 yards. Yeah I think you have operater error, you need to rack that effer to eject, I think your limping it
That Remington factory hard rubber butt pad *doesn't* absorb recoil.
The problem isnt the gun, its the soyboy reviewing it. I have one, and it works great!! Theres a reason law enforcement, and military stand by this beauty. If you dont want it sell it so a real man can shuck those shells.
Use #5 shot turkey loads... Good for self defense from 2 legged turkeys.
Turkeys are 2 legged.
Might need to get better ammo
Okay don't blame the guns patterning because you only have an 18 1/2 inch barrel so it's not a beyond 10 , 20 or more yards kinda gun it's a home defense gun so it's a 7 yards and closer for better patterning !! I have a late 80's 870 magnum with a 21 inch barrel with the remchokes and I use the improved cylinder and have a lot better patterning then yours but also not at any distances further than 7 or 8 yards !!! I also think it's your cylinder bore that's giving you such a poor patterning !!!
He’s wanting it to do something it’s not designed for
Every single 870 made after about 2007 is fucking garbage.
I’ve got a 1980s Wingmaster Police kitted out for home defense. It’s a fantastic gun. The Remingtons made in the past 20 years are horrible quality.
I would never ever put a light on a 12 gauge pump. I don't want the bad guy knowing where I'm at. Lights, opticals, garage door openers are nothing but gimmicks for firearm novices. Racking the slide on a shotgun is a universal sound any criminal will recognize and he will be doing his damnest to get out of the house after hearing that sound, no flashlight needed. Everyone thinks they're on a swat team lol
Flashlight envy?