Linguistic Discrimination l My Story.
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- In this video I share my experience with linguistic discrimination. Not many people know what it is. I know for sure I didn't. But Linguistic discrimination happens every day. This is my story.
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I'm glad you made the video, now I understand what you meaned with the tweet before this.
I get it, and unfortunately I know too many people like that. It's just awful because I don't call them out I just ignore them and that is not good in the long run.
Hopefully people will be a bit more aware thanks to you.
Thank you so much for sharing your experiences with linguistic discrimination, it feels good that I’m not alone in this
For my whole life I’d get questioned about my nationality whenever I spoke Arabic even though I was decent enough at it for the most part which made me feel like I didn’t belong in Kuwait even though it’s my home country
I’m sure most of them meant well, but that didn’t make the pain any better, and sometimes I’d get quite sad because of how some of them took it even further by insisting that I’m not a Kuwaiti and there were a few times where my younger sibling and cousin witnessed this happening to me which only adds to the shame especially when they speak on my behalf without my consent
My English was good enough for native english speakers to think that I was as good as them whenever I went to the UK which I wasn’t grateful for because I felt that Arabic was supposed to have that position in my life
After minimising my use of English to focus on Arabic, I managed to improve at Arabic speaking somewhat at the cost of getting bad enough at English that native English speakers don’t think of me as being that good at it anymore
It hurts that I’m not good enough at either language now, it hurts that this keeps happening to me to this day and it hurts that even after all these years I still can’t feel a complete sense of belonging in my home country
Sure some people in my life may technically understand my struggles but it never feels like anyone truly understands me
I’m so scared that this’ll keep happening to me regardless of what I do
Hey, thank you for sharing your experience 🙏
I honestly didn't know what linguistic discrimination was until you mentioned it on Twitter. Thank you for sharing your experience!
Thanks for sharing your experience. It seems that many people find a way to discriminate against others based on any and all differences they can discern. It’s sad and sometimes dangerous but must be "natural" because it’s so common. We need to grow up as individuals and as a society and move beyond this behavior.
Very nice video! Honestly, I feel like making fun of people for language skills is more indicative of a lack of quality education or exposure than having a specific dialect 😝
Hehe agreed.
I've witnessed and experienced linguistic discrimination a number of times; firstly my son, who was born in Italy and is bilingual, gets made fun of by adults here in Italy for apparently having a strong English accent when speaking Italian, which isn't true at all since he has learned Italian from his Italian dad as well as everyone in our town. He has only learned English from me. His school friends don't seem to notice at all which makes me realise that it is simple ignorance from the adults who think it's ok to make fun of a 5-year-old for having an accent which basically doesn't exist, LOL. It gets on my nerves how every conversation with people results in discussion about the way we speak. It's disgusting.
Another experience happened to me in England, on more than one occasion, because I've always been quite well-spoken which has often led people to believe that I am somehow stinking rich and as a result demanding more rent money or treating me as if I couldn't possibly understand hardship....all of which is false since I was quite poor! One landlady, after just a week renting her room, demanded higher rent from me or she was going to confiscate my things. She then went on a tirade on how disgusting and snobby the upper classes were....at which point I had to say "what the hell are you talking about? What's all this got to do with me?!" She clearly had a chip on her shoulder.
We need to educate these poor fools.
Sigh. Thanks for sharing!
My pleasure 😁 This is a topic that needs more attention. 👍🏻
What a fuck! That lady was ignorant. Every person has a different accent/ pronunciation, even voice. Having a certain accent doesn't make you poor or rich. What happened to you after that event?
That’s awful that happened to you and I’m sorry it happened. That’s stupid that they would mock you and make fun of you, simply because of that.
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Awesome video! I always imagined that ppl that grow up bilingual are very cool just like you said lol, now I realize that growing bilingual and having more than one nationality may also present many challenges. Now that I have watched your video, I'm gonna be more careful about what I think about other accents and my comments because I think is very easy to have this linguist prejudice without even realizing
It really is easy to have such prejudice. Thank you very much for your comment, I appreciate it :)
Like a lot of immigrants my grandfather’s family legally changed the family name to be less foreign and to make it easier to assimilate. Since my family name does not clearly identify my family’s origins I’ve been asked thousands of times what kind of name it is and where does it come from. So even if you have a name that is not identifiable people ask about your origins.
I thought It was kind of usual to ask about your ethnic background in the United States.
Íñigo Alái It is typical because virtually every family in the USA is an immigrant recent or otherwise but there can be an aggressive or hostile way of asking the question. Some people seem to be angry that they can’t tell my origins.
@@thedavidguy01May I ask you what is your ethnic background?
Thank you for sharing, I can relate. You are not alone!
Your unique background is amazing!
Where can I find Kelly E Wright’s conference? The link in description is broken. Thank you.
Thanks for your comment and for letting me know about the broken link. I've contacted Kelly to see if she can send me a link to another conference/talk :).
I have updated the link!
@@KevinAbroad thank you so much!
Please make a video on how to address the discrimination when it happens. How do you deal with it? What do you say?
Thank you 🙏🏼
Just ignore that. Some people claim i have a Spanish accent when I speak my native language which is Portuguese. This can be true, however, I am still Portuguese. I had to show my ID to prove that. People who judge you about your languages skills, accent pronunciation whatever, don't know your background. I have been living in Berlin for ten years. Germans who speak English tend to speak in English to me when they hear my accent. I reply to them in German until they realise I speak their language well. People will always pick on you, if you speak different, even if you have a slight foreign accent will automatically think you weren't born in that country. If you speak a language really well, like a native, people will think you are native. Here in Germany, you are a foreigner if your parents were born elsewhere. I know some acquainted who were born and raised in Berlin and had to take a C1 German exam to prove their German skills. It is quite stupid when people judge you by your appearance. Oh, you are asiatic, you speak German, English whatever European language well. Where and how did you learn it? I'm German.
You are kidding me. Try to be confident ☺️ and tell your story if you want to tell it.
I'd like to compliment you, however, on your excellent English. I've met quite a few native English speakers who could barely string a sentence together so please don't feel that your English is somehow inadequate because of what some people say. I've also been a language teacher for about 13 years now, as well as a language student myself, so I understand what an incredible achievement it is to gain even an A1 level of proficiency in a foreign language.
I often wonder whether my son will grow up feeling not quite English enough and not quite Italian enough. He seems very comfortable being both and I try to instill a feeling of belonging to both places and both cultures. I wasn't brought up bilingual but I was brought up bicultural, having an English (with French ancestry) mum and an American (with German/Indian ancestry) dad. My family is very multicultural. I remember feeling a little out of place growing up, not really feeling like I completely belonged to England, nor did I know America, since I'd never been there. One day I realised I didn't care either way and moved to Italy. LOL.
Thank you very much!
I think it'll be important for your son to identify however he wants. I've decided to embrace my two cultures and languages because this is what felt right. I know some people might feel different. But it's definitly important to shut down people that try to make him feel less or more of anything. For example people trying to make me feel like I'm more French because my life has been mostly in France. To hell with them. It's not even a battle of what you are more or less. You can be both because it's not something you can actually measure anyway. I don't know if that makes sense! :D
It makes perfect sense 😁👍🏻
Interesting topic that you shared, it is something that really happens, and sometimes it is worst that it seems but no one talks about it, thanks for sharing your story with us :)
I used to ignore when someone tried to make fun of me o directly attack to me because I always try to use the languages that I'm learning, but lately I get tired of it and started to stand up for myself haha
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I have two native languages as well, my family is of Slovak origin but we live in Serbia for the past many generations (around 15 generations). I grew up bilingual and it's always a lot of mess trying to explain "why are you Slovak if you are from Serbia" - it's sometimes as if people can't grasp the reality that people and nations can live all around the globe, not just in the country that bears your language as official one. People do notice my accent but they ask if I'm Hungarian, there are a lot of Hungarians in Serbia. Jokes about Slovaks I've heard: that we are Czechs (ok), that we are Nazis (history stuff, forcefully been under Nazis), in 7/10 cases when I mention my nationality and/or my village, people have to mention kulen (sausage with red pepper that we make and are known for).... They also confuse us with Slovenes, then I have to explain that as well....
I knew there were people out there that could relate to me. Thanks for the comment! 🙏
WAW, I knew about a Hungarian, German (tiny), Albanian and Ladino (tiny) minorities in Serbia, but I haven't ever heard of any Slovak one. Thank you for teaching me something different.
@@InhigoAlai no problem :) there are around 30 different minorities in Serbia, there are Macedonians, Greeks, Croats, Czechs, Rusyns/Ruthenians, Poles, Romanians... Even in my small village we have several other minorities besides the Slovak one.
@@LinguaSerbia My god, Serbia is paradise on earth for polyglots. Don't you think so?
@@InhigoAlai it is and Im yet to travel to every corner of it where multilinguality exists.
"Everybody wants to belong." - That's the sentence in here. Because that's what hits pretty hard when people question your identity.
My experience is a bit the other way around. I grew up monolingually in Germany and never learnt my father's language (and to be honest I never will because I'm not interested in it at all). When people hear, or even worse, read my name, they compliment me on my German. I'm never sure what to respond. Normally I tell that I'm native German. At the worse point, I experience people who start talking to me in kind of "broken German/learner language" EVEN THOUGH they just talked to me normally before they new my name.
What I also hear a lot is people asking me if my father speaks German. I'm not sure what people are thinking. Do they think I didn't talk to my father at all in my live? Do they think we, as a family, live in silent because I wasn't raised bilingually? On the other hand people tend to want whole assimilation from those with origins from the Near/Middle East. When they meet somebody who is assimilated as I am and as my family raised me, they question me as a person. They try to find something that confims that I'm not as much of a German as I tell them. And that really hurts. The only foreign on me is my name and as long as I live in Germany it will be like that.
For myself I made the decision to move to a foreign country very early in live. When I'm living in another country as Germany, people can treat me as a foreigner, because then I am one.
Pardon my ignorance but what does your name sound like you're from? And I presume you are a native speaker of German? Thanks for sharing your experience!!
@@KevinAbroad I have an Iranian name. And yeah, I'm a native German speaker.
@@yasminr7150 Hi, if it is okay to ask you...why do you not want to learn your father's language? I do not intend to be offensive by questioning this, I just got curious when I read this
@@aryanemarques2089 Sure it's okay to ask. I don't want to learn my father's language because I don't have a good relationship with him. I have no positive feelings in relation to Iranians, the Iranian language and the Iranian culture. I see no sense in learning the language.
Eu sou português, e também sou branco como tu. Quando aprendes duas línguas na infância, essas duas línguas tornam- se nativas, especialmente se as aprendeste na creche, ou aos 6 ou 7 anos. Se os teus pais são portugueses é normal que tenhas apelidos portugueses, mas isso não faz de ti menos francês. Um nome é isso um nome que os teus pais inventaram para chamar-te. O meu nome é José, e esse nome também é espanhol. Moro na Alemanha há dez anos, e muitas pessoas pensam que sou espanhol pelo nome.
Me encanta que trates temas "controvertidos" en tu canal de TH-cam. Todos sabemos lo "sensible" que es la dirección de YTB cuando uno tiene una opinión fuerte y la comparte en su canal. ¡Eres un valiente, tío!
Muchas gracias 🙏. Perdona, no le puedo dar respuestas longas porque mi español no es tan bueno pero entendí todo lo que me has dicho 😊
@@KevinAbroad Da igual. Respóndeme en inglés, francés o portugués que te entiendo igual.
A person only has one native language. Additional languages can be classified as heritage language, foreign language, or second language.
That is, of course, false.
In linguistics we may classify languages between L1 and L2. L1 are usually languages learnt since childhood (or sometimes before the critical period) and L2 are the other ones (the foreign/second languages basically).
The phrase 'heritage language' is used in the literature but it's not in contrast with native language. On the contrary. The heritage language is usually one of the native languages of the bilingual individual. It just doesn't usually develop the same way as the dominant language(s) for which they will typically receive formal instruction at school.
In fact, often in bilinguals you wouldn't be able to decide which amongst the two (or more) languages would be THE native language. Because they are learnt simultaneously.
I hope this helps.
Do you want to know , le summum de la discrimination linguistique ? En tant qu'Espagnol quand j'ai appris l'expression "Parler français comme une vache espagnole." ;) Mais parfois je fais jouer ça à mon avantage. Je pose la question à mon interlocuteur français, qu'est-ce que ça veut dire ? Son embarras ou pas dit long sur elle.
Je n'avais JAMAIS pensé à ça. C'est pas une expression que j'utilise mais c'est clair qu'elle est pas très flatteuse... Comme quoi, on se rend pas tjrs compte des mots qu'on emploi...
Tu viens de répondre à une question que je posais à Kevin dans un commentaire. Je sais maintenant qu'il existe également des préjugés négatifs envers les Espagnols en France.
The origin of the expression "comme une vache espagnol" is a mutation of the original phrase, "comme un basque espagnol," that is "comme un basque parle l'espagnol"
"but really, just don't do it." was my favorite part.
Thank you for watching! ❤️
El problema con el nombre "Kevin" es que es un nombre de pila anglosajón. No sé en Francia, pero al menos en España, ponerle a un/a hijo/a tuyo un nombre de pila anglosajón como Sheila, William, Jennifer or Nelson es un rasgo de incultura porque se supone que los padres que ponen ese nombre NO TIENEN UNA CONCIENCIA CULTURAL suficiente como para saber la lucha geopolítica que hay entre los idiomas inglés y español en el mundo y a lo largo de la historia. Supongo que en Francia se verá también así, incluso aún más fuerte dada la profunda conciencia lingüística que suele tener la élite francesa, cosa que la élite de ningún país hispánico tiene.
Muy interesante. Le importa si contesto en inglés?
I don't think we have this "pride" in French names in France as much as in Spain (based on what you're telling me). However I can remember a controversy that happened a few months ago in France on TV. A guy told a black woman (she was a journalist I think) and her name was "Hapsatou" I think. And he called her out for not calling herself a "proper" French name. That was sooooo shocking.
@@KevinAbroad Me parece muy bien que me respondas en inglés. Yo por mi parte prefiero escribirte en castellano porque así no lo tengo que revisar en gramática y vocabulario antes de dejarlo leer.
@@KevinAbroad No te creas que en España existe ese "orgullo", pero está muy mal visto en general. Si usas anglicismos como "OK" en vez de "vale" la gente no te dirá nada, pero pensará que o eres un pedante o simplemente un analfabeto. Eso se ve sobre todo en emigrantes de Hispanoamérica cuyas élites están muy influidas por el gigante del norte.
😠😠😠. I hate how ppl judge others so easily based on a few words sometimes
@@KevinAbroad Yeah, you're right, I guess I'm one of them, unfortunately. I'm prejudiced, but I can say that I know that and I can be alert and not be such a jerk, judging people so easily.
Creo que si alguien en tu infancia más tierna te hubiese dicho lo SUPERIOR que eras tú al tener la oportunidad y la suerte de hablar como nativo DOS lenguas universales como son el portugués y el francés, tal vez no hubieras tenido esos problemas de autoestima en tu adolescencia. Más bien todo lo contrario, te habrías sentido un privilegiado y te hubieran resbalado los comentarios de menosprecio porque te hubieras dado cuenta de que eran comentarios de GENTE ENVIDIOSA.
Si, por seguro!
Me pregunto si esa discriminación y esos estereotipos negativos hacia los portugueses en Francia existe también hacia los españoles. Supongo que sí.
No se bien... Por seguro sue hay varios estereotipos sobre los españoles pero no soy español entonces no sé bien. Pero me parece que no son tan negativos como los sobre los portugueses (por razones historicas).
@@KevinAbroad Pues me parece fatal. Si los portugueses son mal vistos en Francia, yo quiero ser tan mal visto como ellos: Os portugueses são meus irmãos em termos de cultura, sentimentos e atitudes em relação à vida.
@@InhigoAlai God, you speak literally all my languages :p ahahah !
@@KevinAbroad Not, really, I write something and then I have it checked by a translation app. I speak English and German, but I can understand and read oral and written French, Italian and Portuguese. You are bilingual French-Portuguese, your English and Spanish are flawless and you are learning Japanese. You play in a different league with the Ronaldos and Messis of language learning. I can learn a lot from you. Just the fact that you are learning Japanese makes me admire you: I find Japanese the most difficult language to learn from us, Western Europeans.
Tantos cumplidos 🙏🙏🙏
The most painful experience I've had is having my little one sworn at and made fun of in English by older boys in school here in France. He didn't understand the situation as he was struggling with both languages (language impairment) and probably thought they were being nice. I had to intervene so the staff would protect him from that happening again. Difficult for a parent!
Thanks for your great videos !
That's really really sad :(
@@KevinAbroad well, a long time ago now but what you said reminded me of that episode. In the UK I think people are a bit jealous as not many are 'good at languages'. I'm sure deep down everyone would love to be bilingual!
Negative attitudes towards language are sadly so widespread. Hopefully one day ppl will be more educated about these issues