I did do the carnivore diet for about 6 weeks, Yui. If you search my name and "carnivore diet," a long article should come up on one of my other sites. At the end of the day, I'm glad I gave it a try in the context of the situation I'm combatting. But I ultimately concluded that it's not right for me. However, I would say that I am still in the realm of carnivorish. I'll keep a list of things to ask Ron about this next time we chat and put this one on there. He has some good dietary suggestions in the Black Belt program as well, though ultimately personal testing is the key.
I appreciate so much when memory experts are willing to discuss their own difficulties and mistakes. Not only does it make for a better story, but it helps the rest of us who are learning recognize that we are as capable as they are! Thank you so much to you both for your wonderful efforts!
What a great interview! I met Ron in Dallas several years ago. His passion for memory is incredible. His work and skills are simply brilliant. I spent 3 months at Jerry Lucas's ranch in California back in 1978. I was in college and took a semester off to go and study memory. I later went to work for Jerry in setting up seminars for him. I eventually started teaching part of the seminars myself. I opened my segment by sharing a story of the first telephone number that I attempted to memorize. To this day, I still know that phone number 43 years later. I also demonstrated memorization of the books of the Bible and even the genealogy of Jesus. (I would demonstrate it by reciting it forward, backward, and by listed ordinal number.) The method Jerry taught me was studied in great detail by the psychology department of the University of Arkansas. They invited me to come there and meet with a group of professors that were involved with the study project. I was given the chance to demonstrate the method by having them read a passage from the New Testament and me telling them what book and chapter they were in. Ron and Anthony have carried on what Jerry, Harry Lorayne, and Kevin Trudeau started many years ago. Thanks so much for doing this video and sharing it.
Thanks so much for checking it out, Michael. It's so great that you had these experiences. And fantastic about this Bible demonstration. That's a great way to test memorization without having to recite everything verbatim. Have you maintained this memorization since then?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Am still watching this at the moment, enjoying every minute of it. Amazing job on the interview. What Ron said about brain fog applies to me although mine is because of medical issues. I loved the way he tries to soldier on during his worst days with it.
Thanks for being such a committed member of our community. I look forward to sharing some thoughts on this. Memory Palaces and Mind Mapping will be involved. :-)
Competition is mentioned in this interview a few times, in a friendly way. The word originates from the Latin "cum" (together) +petere (to strive). Nobody can play tennis alone, and so by both people playing, they each become better at tennis. Competition, in its original sense, is almost the exact opposite of how we think of it today.
This video made me excited that I registered for the USA Memory Championship because I learned that I want to learn things I can use to help people. For instance, being a part-time nonstrologist now when I pray for people, I use sanskrit. Right now I am memorizing a mantra using an outdoor memory palace. Your pillar technique is helping with this.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Thank you Professor. It took two days to memorize the ganesha mantra using an outdoor memory palace. As for the nonstrology thing, I went from part time to all the way this morning. I'm okay with being all that there is in my life.
Wow - that's great. It's a very beautiful mantra. I could be wrong, but the logic of Advaita strongly suggests that all there ever was, was your life. This is one of the meanings of the old Zen prompt to try and remember your face before you were born. All that comes up (for most of us) is consciousness itself. Long live the "Eternal" Now!
Wow, I've been waiting for someone to mention both Harry Lorayne and Kevin Trudeau in the same sentence! I bought Harry's book in the 70's and did the Kevin Trudeau Mega Memory course in the 80's. I still have the little book of name links that came with the course. Can I also mention the great Derren Brown book Tricks of the Mind which triggeredmy return to memory training. Another magician/ memoriser. Thanks for a great interview yet again Anthony
Oh yes, Tricks of the Mind is great, and for many reasons. Very cool book. I wonder if Derren Brown has been interviewed about memory very much. That would be incredible to hear more about!
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Thanks for your reply Anthony. I think Derren is slightly averse to too much publicity and is a genuinely humble man. He is also now writing more about happiness via the Stoic principles of which I am also a fan. He has, through his agent, sanctioned me using his variation of the Major system if I were to set up a coaching course. I'm currently doing a course called Sellwhatyouknow which is heavily marketing orientated but nevertheless has a complete range of tools for someone like me who has mostly worked in the offline world. I would like to start something on the lines of the Livelong Lifelong Learning Club or Elsie for short! The seahorse would be our emblem ( hippocampal connotations). I'm not sure if I would be faken seriously as although I consider myself a student of memory and use it when I can, I've never entered the competitions (I don't have a competitive nature rather a co operative one) or any early life learning difficulties which seems to be a reoccurring theme amongst people like Ron White, Jim Kwik, Dominic O'Brien etc. Do you have any suggestions for me? Regards Kevin
Thanks, Kevin. I'm not sure what you mean by being sanctioned by Brown, but if it's an online business you want, here are two tips: 1) Advice is the worst vice. Avoid taking it. 2) Hire a business coach as soon as possible. Find the person who has the business you can to achieve for yourself and get them to walk you through it. I've followed those principles myself, and the only thing I would change is starting with both of those two principles sooner. Does this way of looking at things help?
ANTHONY this was excellent. I have taken your course and Ron's course and believe you are both great teachers as we each have to take our own memory journies. Having different teachers and finding out what works for you is what matters. As you say, you have to EARN IT and not just learn it.
Thanks to both of you for this conversation! It is valuable to see a glimpse into the way your minds work. My method for cards uses the major system but a little differently than what you guys mentioned. Each suit is a number (spades is 1, hearts 2, clubs 3 and diamonds 4). I then place the number of the card in front of the number of the suit. So, when I see a 9 of Diamonds it is the number 94 (which for me is a pear.) The 9 of clubs is 93 (a bomb). The face cards are different groups of people (spades are cartoons, hearts are family members, diamonds are rich people, clubs are star trek characters.) Perhaps, we can benefit from each other's ideas...
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM First, I mist admit that I am not great at memorizing cards! I usually do a deck in about 10 minutes. I love the system though, it feels like the image is written on the card.
Hello, Anthony! :) It's great to see you and Ron White! I love the top memory myth mentioned by Ron: "It doesn't mean your're a memory expert, you can catch everything in memory when you're not focused on." I've got some peer pressure when they knew that I can memorize huge amount of information. They expect more from me. :) I would feel embarassed when I couldn't answer them accurately. But I learned to ask myself these questions: 1. Did I intentionally memorize the information that I have forgotten? 2. If yes, did I apply the Magnetic Memory Method diligently? (e.g. Kogcaves) If the answer is "No" to either two questions, I will just shrug it off and move on. :) I appreciate Ron sharing his story on how he actually memorized the thousands of names. It reminds me to develop or adjust my existing memory strategy (MMM, thanks to you, Anthony) depending on the type of information I would need to memorize. I am shy to say this, but I have gotten another promotion at my work because of MMM. (If I could recall it correctly, I have posted a comment before and I think it was your birthday when I got my first promotion.) Thank you so much, Dr. Anthony Metivier! :) I would take a walk today and get more Memory Palace! :) #ProudMMMStudentHere
So great to hear from you again and WOW to another promotion! That's so incredible to hear and congratulations - you earned it! The questions you list are very powerful. Thanks for sharing them. Thanks too for being part of this interview. I'm glad you enjoyed it and please stay tuned for more interviews coming soon!
Please can you have more conversations with Mr White in the future, this was really good, especially the part about differentiation of the names' spellings 👍🙂
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Anything to do with these little tricks and tips is wonderful, I try them all out. I've been using word soundalikes for a while, but finding ways to encode small details along with the main mnemonic can be challenging. I know you are not a fan of memorizing verbatim texts when not necessary, but I love knowing them word for word 😊 Keep up the great work, Anthony.
Thanks, Jamie. I'll see what I can do - and please do let me know if more specifics come to mind. Usually the tips and tricks come out from specific questions, rather than trying to tease them out of generalities. Looking forward!
I’m still in awe of both of you and how much combined knowledge you have about this thing I call memory. I’m still working or lack of about the music situation I really haven’t had the time but I’m now formulating and will get started soon with it. I have many factors to consider when thinking about the whole music situation. But don’t want to give too much away so no one takes my ideas etc. I could watch this video over and over again. I hope you will be on Ron’s channel soon. It’s been almost a year now. But I know Ron is busy doing his presentations etc.
Thanks for this and always great to hear from you. Yes, it would be great to speak with Ron again. Conversations are what make the Internet great. Thanks for being part of it! 🙏
3 minutes in, I hit the like button. Thanks for your content. Why don't you have 1 million views and likes by now?! Your content is so informative and thank you for sharing your story in other videos.
Thanks so much. The 1 million subs question is kind of you to raise, but I think perhaps we all know intuitively precisely why. I talk a little about a possible answer here, and it has less to do with me than it does with the skill itself: th-cam.com/video/bTVAHNet-Fc/w-d-xo.html
This is great i have bought courses from both of you am surprised it has taken you so long to get together , I guess you next big podcast Anthony has to be with Jim Kwik , when are you planning to do it :-)
I bought that program off E bay for cheap Mega Memory and advanced MM TAPES. and I have his book Mega Memory. That was my first step into memory training.
So when will you be on Ron’s channel? Just curious. Always enjoy watching this video I know both you and Ron and Nelson taught me a lot. In different ways. - Bill -
He did suggest it at one point. Maybe he needs a reminder from someone other than me? (I’m a bit too modest to suggest it myself, but I think it would be great to speak again.)
Hoping to gather more soon. Have you heard the recent Braden Adams interview? We also get deep into the weeds, particularly about the Shadow technique.
That was a pretty good suggestion Ron White made Anthony, to either videotape or take photos as you walk around the city / place, for creating a person's Memory Palace. No need to respond to my comment I know that we just talked two days ago. Hope your day is going well today, mine is, I love that I made a deal with my boss to where I come in at a later start time. [ I'm might not as make as much money this year, but I sure as heck won't be dumb.]
Thanks, John. Yes, I've experimented with that at various times. I still prefer the speed and haptic benefits of drawing them, though. Part of the memory benefits for me come from reconstructing journeys in minimal ways that force you to work with only the details you remember. I actually have to count how many words my Sanskrit comes up to. I wonder how close it is to the names. Even if the volume is close, I'm not sure I could accurately spell it all because I've memorized the sound and meaning only thus far. It would be interesting to see how I might need to change the approach to Memory Palaces if I made spelling a requirement.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I see your point about relying on the crutch making a video of a particular Journey. Because at some level the mind needs to be forced to work for the neuronal connections to take place. ___________________ I know what you are saying about having a system in place and then trying to add spelling to it. Sometimes it just doesn't fit. _______ But you said in one of your videos, something to the effect of having a mirror Memory Palace in heaven or hell to compliment The Memory Palace on Earth. Perhaps using the first letter of a particular Sanskrit word......... to magically transport you to another location or something. Like, Athens Ohio, Berea Ohio, Columbus Ohio, Dayton Ohio, Egypt Ohio, 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I know there's no such thing as Egypt Ohio, but there is in my mind. [ I learned all that stuff from the magnetic memory method .] You should listen to that guy he's amazing, he has the perfect level of seriousness and humor and really understands the human condition. [ Obviously being humorous there, you'll figure something out, if it's necessary.] My uncle Seamus used to say who gives a darn if something spelled wrong. And who's to say what spelling of a particular word is right or wrong.
That is an interesting point about spelling - it's definitely a convention at the end of the day. But, since these conventions live in our brain cells, they're also deeply personal. So it's little wonder if people get attached to things like this. On the note of photographing MPs, this interesting NPR piece just came out: www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/08/05/1022041431/to-remember-the-moment-try-taking-fewer-photos It's all about remembering more by photographing less.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I looked at your linked article, and I agreed with every paragraph that I read this far. It's an honor to be a member of your You Tube channel.
Hello Anthony, it sounds like in your memory technique you work purely on the strength of the associations that you make. Therefore, you could have 1,000 lockers, and as long as you knew the associations between each picture (or peg), you can memorize at least a 1,000 units of information, which you attach to your picture or peg for each locker. The genius behind this is that it allows one to store lots and lots of information. Good job.
Yes, I think it all comes down to strength of association - and for me it's the space itself that is the key association. That's why numbers are so useful. 02 is always directly to the right of 01, so there's no need to "see" anything. I can feel it spatially.
63 is gym for me as well 64 is chess because chessboards have 64 squares and I love chess 65 is Jail 66 is highway because of route 66 famous highway in the US 67 is a shed on the side of the highway 68 chef 69 well I’ll just say Yin Yang ☯️ for decency 70 is cat for me 71 is sr-71 black bird (or just bird for story) 72 is room or my bedroom because 72 is room temperature 73 is gas can because 1973 was the start of gas shortages 74 is a 1974 Pontiac Trans am muscle car that needs a lot of gas ( or just a car if it works better in a story) 75 is Coal My point is I have some of the same objects in very close to the same place as you guys as well. However, I am using a mixture of multiple pre-made systems that I heavily modified and personalised so it’s not that much of a surprise to me.
Using the Major as a base does limit the possible choices for the generic word assignment. But how each of us personalize those words is potentially infinite. 🙏
Thanks for asking about this. It is mostly video training with some MP3 and PDF elements where related to the info you need to succeed. Please let me know if you have further questions - you can also send an email directly as well. Thanks again and talk soon!
I noticed that Ron White looks to the right when he is remembering and to his left when he is accessing his imagination. This is for NLP students. It kind of goes against the " person who looks to the left is accessing memory" general stereo type. Just an observation, not meant to start a debate with anyone. Just an observation I thought was interesting. Also, I understand that the image may be reversed due to recording and TH-cam. I have noticed that when watching TH-cam, the writing is seen as "backwards". I'm not making a determination, but I'm interested in knowing which way his eyes move when he accesses his memory. Thanks for reading this comment.
Thanks for this. I don't think this particular point in NLP is particularly well-demonstrated, and one would have to cultivate a far larger data set than this video to be within statistical relevance for a valid study of one individual, let alone establishing a principle for groups. It's possible that the image was reverse as we were using Zoom and it sometimes does that, yes, But the point remains the same that NLP has a huge burden of evidence on this particular point. Indeed, everything that is true in NLP is true because it's true, not because of NLP.
People use memory systems to do the equivalent of this, though I haven't seen a citation of this specific outcome. But if you know how cards are typically memorized, then the record now is I believe under 12 seconds for 52. But I'm not sure how exactly you would divide individual seconds given the procedures that mnemonists use. It's an interesting question.
Hmmm, I'm trying to stay open-minded but this really seems to be pointing towards something too good to be true. Hmm.. I'll just watch and see what happens without expectations.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM (I didn't intend for this to be so long lol.) Hmm, I'm not sure I can point to anything specific right off the bat. I was introduced to you through your interview with Curt Jaimungal. If I had come across you before seeing the interview I probably would have just ignored your channel completely and written you off as another clickbaiter. Perhaps that sounds harsh but there's a ton of BS online and there's no way I can go through all of it to see what works and what doesn't, it's usually best to assume it's all flash and no substance. I haven't watched very much of your content (although I plan to watch more) and there hasn't been any implementation as of yet with what I have seen and I think this is the main support for my continued open-mindedness. There's also something else keeping me lured in. See, I have your book, The Victorious Mind, along with 500+ other books from other authors (some bought, some pending), and I have this problem with wanting to read everything all at once so I didn't get very far with your book along with dozens of others that I'm about a few chapters in with each of them, but from what I did read I immediately understood the story you were sharing regarding mental illness. I have been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and suicidal ideation is a near constant thing for me. I don't want to die before I know this and this and this and this and this and this thing on and on and on it goes I'm interested in learning so many things yet at the same time I want to be unconscious and no longer experiencing anything at all. It's like some kind of tight rope I can never get off of to stable ground. I want to get to the other side but the risk of falling is there with me until then. Anyways, I hope that as I make my way further through your book that perhaps the same things that helped you will help me as well. I'm going to stop typing here. Thanks for taking the time to read.
Thanks for your candid thoughts. In our community, we call the desire to read it all "The Faust Syndrome." Wanting to have it all is like selling your soul to the devil. You wind up losing the thing that is most precious: Time and especially the present moment. The important thing is that you are reading. Many don't, so congrats on that. And there's no universal rule that one actually has to read books from beginning to end. However, the thing I hope you can pick out in this discussion with Ron is that you really can memorize thousands of pieces of information with a high degree of accuracy. And I know you can do it as well. So if there is one book or program that must be completed from beginning to end, it is a memory book, possibly more than one. Neither Ron nor myself learned it all from one source. I'm not sure a person alive ever has. But being thorough in taking steps with the practice is very important. About suicidal ideation, I know how tough it is. Not a day goes by when I don't have to work with it myself. But the threat is now gone and the peace I've achieved is real. And part of it came from ceasing my own cynicism about "click baiters." Solid memory training, especially with the goal of cleansing the mind, will help you embrace more. And often you'll find that there was a lot more genuine help in the things that previously seemed insidious than it seemed. In any case, a properly trained memory is WAY better than "too good to be true." It is the cleansing of the very thing in which the notion of memory itself rests. That's why I keep polishing that lens day after day and please just shout out if there's anything I can do or say to help you do the same for yourself along the way. :-)
THank you so much!!!
Thanks, Yui. I hope we can too. Any questions come to your mind that you'd like to see covered in the future?
I did do the carnivore diet for about 6 weeks, Yui. If you search my name and "carnivore diet," a long article should come up on one of my other sites.
At the end of the day, I'm glad I gave it a try in the context of the situation I'm combatting. But I ultimately concluded that it's not right for me. However, I would say that I am still in the realm of carnivorish.
I'll keep a list of things to ask Ron about this next time we chat and put this one on there. He has some good dietary suggestions in the Black Belt program as well, though ultimately personal testing is the key.
Hi Anthony & Ron! What's the link for the Black Belt Course?
Ron my man how can I be like you.
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I appreciate so much when memory experts are willing to discuss their own difficulties and mistakes. Not only does it make for a better story, but it helps the rest of us who are learning recognize that we are as capable as they are! Thank you so much to you both for your wonderful efforts!
May the capability continue to spread. Thanks for helping make that happen! 🙏
legends together
Thanks, Sanjay. Any key ideas leap out at you?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM collab with nelson too he is also great
Here's a conversation with Nelson, Sanjay: th-cam.com/video/DF_vOuyIx2A/w-d-xo.html
Look forward to your thoughts on it.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM thanks
My pleasure. Thanks for being part of the community!
Can't wait to see my two favourite youtuber together 👀👀
Thanks! Looking forward to your thoughts on the discussion!
What a great interview! I met Ron in Dallas several years ago. His passion for memory is incredible. His work and skills are simply brilliant.
I spent 3 months at Jerry Lucas's ranch in California back in 1978. I was in college and took a semester off to go and study memory. I later went to work for Jerry in setting up seminars for him. I eventually started teaching part of the seminars myself.
I opened my segment by sharing a story of the first telephone number that I attempted to memorize. To this day, I still know that phone number 43 years later. I also demonstrated memorization of the books of the Bible and even the genealogy of Jesus. (I would demonstrate it by reciting it forward, backward, and by listed ordinal number.)
The method Jerry taught me was studied in great detail by the psychology department of the University of Arkansas. They invited me to come there and meet with a group of professors that were involved with the study project. I was given the chance to demonstrate the method by having them read a passage from the New Testament and me telling them what book and chapter they were in.
Ron and Anthony have carried on what Jerry, Harry Lorayne, and Kevin Trudeau started many years ago. Thanks so much for doing this video and sharing it.
Thanks so much for checking it out, Michael.
It's so great that you had these experiences. And fantastic about this Bible demonstration. That's a great way to test memorization without having to recite everything verbatim.
Have you maintained this memorization since then?
OMG!!! I am so excited...I had to put my phone away because too distracting lol...I rode my bike home and am getting started on this replay tonight.
Have fun! Looking forward to your thoughts on the full convo! :-)
I've learned a Ton from Ron...he's one of my top 3 instructors. ANTHONY, RON & Mark Channon are my Holy Trinity 🤗
Two of the most humble men, Ron White and Anthony Metivier.
Thanks, James. Great to see you on this one. Any key takeaways come out of the conversation for you?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Am still watching this at the moment, enjoying every minute of it. Amazing job on the interview.
What Ron said about brain fog applies to me although mine is because of medical issues. I loved the way he tries to soldier on during his worst days with it.
I'm still thinking about the chronic pain video we were discussing. Stay tuned for that as soon as I can get it done. :-)
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Thanks for the info Anthony, looking forward to seeing it.
Thanks for being such a committed member of our community. I look forward to sharing some thoughts on this. Memory Palaces and Mind Mapping will be involved. :-)
Awesome. Really enjoyed this.
Glad to hear it!
Anything in particular you're working on memorizing at the moment?
I’ve watching this episode for 5-6th time. I love this whole talk.
That’s great to hear!
Any questions I didn’t ask but should have?
Thanks Anthony. That was very useful. Especially the part about how he did the Afghanistan wall. I appreciate your growth orientation and humility.
Thanks so much for checking it out and glad you found the convo useful.
Any large learning projects you're working on at the moment or considering?
I’m rewatching this Video you did with Ron. Interesting in every way.
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Competition is mentioned in this interview a few times, in a friendly way. The word originates from the Latin "cum" (together) +petere (to strive). Nobody can play tennis alone, and so by both people playing, they each become better at tennis. Competition, in its original sense, is almost the exact opposite of how we think of it today.
This is a great and important point. Thanks for mentioning it - worth committing to memory!
strive to gain or win something by defeating or establishing superiority over others who are trying to do the same.
This video made me excited that I registered for the USA Memory Championship because I learned that I want to learn things I can use to help people. For instance, being a part-time nonstrologist now when I pray for people, I use sanskrit. Right now I am memorizing a mantra using an outdoor memory palace. Your pillar technique is helping with this.
Wonderful! Bring on the nonstrology!
I can't wait to hear more and thank you for bringing meaning to memory. That is exciting!
Tat Tvam Asi! :-)
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Thank you Professor. It took two days to memorize the ganesha mantra using an outdoor memory palace. As for the nonstrology thing, I went from part time to all the way this morning. I'm okay with being all that there is in my life.
Wow - that's great. It's a very beautiful mantra.
I could be wrong, but the logic of Advaita strongly suggests that all there ever was, was your life.
This is one of the meanings of the old Zen prompt to try and remember your face before you were born. All that comes up (for most of us) is consciousness itself. Long live the "Eternal" Now!
Cool song...
Thanks - that's Christian whom you met in the MMM Mastermind doing the rapping. So much fun!
Excellent information.
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Wow, I've been waiting for someone to mention both Harry Lorayne and Kevin Trudeau in the same sentence! I bought Harry's book in the 70's and did the Kevin Trudeau Mega Memory course in the 80's. I still have the little book of name links that came with the course. Can I also mention the great Derren Brown book Tricks of the Mind which triggeredmy return to memory training. Another magician/ memoriser. Thanks for a great interview yet again Anthony
Oh yes, Tricks of the Mind is great, and for many reasons. Very cool book. I wonder if Derren Brown has been interviewed about memory very much. That would be incredible to hear more about!
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Thanks for your reply Anthony. I think Derren is slightly averse to too much publicity and is a genuinely humble man. He is also now writing more about happiness via the Stoic principles of which I am also a fan. He has, through his agent, sanctioned me using his variation of the Major system if I were to set up a coaching course. I'm currently doing a course called Sellwhatyouknow which is heavily marketing orientated but nevertheless has a complete range of tools for someone like me who has mostly worked in the offline world. I would like to start something on the lines of the Livelong Lifelong Learning Club or Elsie for short! The seahorse would be our emblem ( hippocampal connotations).
I'm not sure if I would be faken seriously as although I consider myself a student of memory and use it when I can, I've never entered the competitions (I don't have a competitive nature rather a co operative one) or any early life learning difficulties which seems to be a reoccurring theme amongst people like Ron White, Jim Kwik, Dominic O'Brien etc. Do you have any suggestions for me? Regards Kevin
Thanks, Kevin.
I'm not sure what you mean by being sanctioned by Brown, but if it's an online business you want, here are two tips:
1) Advice is the worst vice. Avoid taking it.
2) Hire a business coach as soon as possible. Find the person who has the business you can to achieve for yourself and get them to walk you through it.
I've followed those principles myself, and the only thing I would change is starting with both of those two principles sooner.
Does this way of looking at things help?
Anthony I know exactly what you were talking about with the lockers idea. I totally understand your premise. Sounds interesting.
Thanks, Bill. Let us know if you give it a try. :-)
My two favorite memory men right here. Thanks so much Anthony and Ron. Legends :-)
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ANTHONY this was excellent. I have taken your course and Ron's course and believe you are both great teachers as we each have to take our own memory journies. Having different teachers and finding out what works for you is what matters. As you say, you have to EARN IT and not just learn it.
Thanks so much, Brian. It's great that you've taken both courses - constantly widening perspective is the key!
I’m loving this two of my favorite people chatting together. Ron White is awesome.
Great to see you, Bill. Glad you could catch this one!
How have you been lately?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I’ve been great. Some medical stuff happened but all good now. Yes I’m following Ron since I can remember maybe 5 years or more.
Glad you're better!
Thanks to both of you for this conversation! It is valuable to see a glimpse into the way your minds work.
My method for cards uses the major system but a little differently than what you guys mentioned. Each suit is a number (spades is 1, hearts 2, clubs 3 and diamonds 4). I then place the number of the card in front of the number of the suit. So, when I see a 9 of Diamonds it is the number 94 (which for me is a pear.) The 9 of clubs is 93 (a bomb). The face cards are different groups of people (spades are cartoons, hearts are family members, diamonds are rich people, clubs are star trek characters.) Perhaps, we can benefit from each other's ideas...
Thanks, James. That is a fascinating way of doing it.
How would you describe how your approach plays out in performance?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM First, I mist admit that I am not great at memorizing cards! I usually do a deck in about 10 minutes. I love the system though, it feels like the image is written on the card.
Ron... will be done this job 👍👍👍
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What an inspiring and engaging character! Great story teller! Just great to see "my first memory of falling in love with memory."
Glad you enjoyed it!
Love the long form interview, could have continued watching this conversation! Hope for a part 2, 3 and ∞
Thank you. 🙏
What are you currently studying?
Hello, Anthony! :)
It's great to see you and Ron White!
I love the top memory myth mentioned by Ron: "It doesn't mean your're a memory expert, you can catch everything in memory when you're not focused on."
I've got some peer pressure when they knew that I can memorize huge amount of information. They expect more from me. :)
I would feel embarassed when I couldn't answer them accurately.
But I learned to ask myself these questions:
1. Did I intentionally memorize the information that I have forgotten?
2. If yes, did I apply the Magnetic Memory Method diligently? (e.g. Kogcaves)
If the answer is "No" to either two questions, I will just shrug it off and move on. :)
I appreciate Ron sharing his story on how he actually memorized the thousands of names.
It reminds me to develop or adjust my existing memory strategy (MMM, thanks to you, Anthony) depending on the type of information I would need to memorize.
I am shy to say this, but I have gotten another promotion at my work because of MMM. (If I could recall it correctly, I have posted a comment before and I think it was your birthday when I got my first promotion.)
Thank you so much, Dr. Anthony Metivier! :)
I would take a walk today and get more Memory Palace! :)
#ProudMMMStudentHere
So great to hear from you again and WOW to another promotion!
That's so incredible to hear and congratulations - you earned it!
The questions you list are very powerful. Thanks for sharing them.
Thanks too for being part of this interview. I'm glad you enjoyed it and please stay tuned for more interviews coming soon!
Please can you have more conversations with Mr White in the future, this was really good, especially the part about differentiation of the names' spellings 👍🙂
I certainly hope that we can.
Any other topics you'd like to see us cover?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Anything to do with these little tricks and tips is wonderful, I try them all out. I've been using word soundalikes for a while, but finding ways to encode small details along with the main mnemonic can be challenging. I know you are not a fan of memorizing verbatim texts when not necessary, but I love knowing them word for word 😊 Keep up the great work, Anthony.
Thanks, Jamie.
I'll see what I can do - and please do let me know if more specifics come to mind. Usually the tips and tricks come out from specific questions, rather than trying to tease them out of generalities.
Looking forward!
I’m still in awe of both of you and how much combined knowledge you have about this thing I call memory. I’m still working or lack of about the music situation I really haven’t had the time but I’m now formulating and will get started soon with it. I have many factors to consider when thinking about the whole music situation. But don’t want to give too much away so no one takes my ideas etc. I could watch this video over and over again. I hope you will be on Ron’s channel soon.
It’s been almost a year now. But I know Ron is busy doing his presentations etc.
Thanks for this and always great to hear from you.
Yes, it would be great to speak with Ron again. Conversations are what make the Internet great. Thanks for being part of it! 🙏
3 minutes in, I hit the like button. Thanks for your content. Why don't you have 1 million views and likes by now?! Your content is so informative and thank you for sharing your story in other videos.
Thanks so much. The 1 million subs question is kind of you to raise, but I think perhaps we all know intuitively precisely why. I talk a little about a possible answer here, and it has less to do with me than it does with the skill itself:
th-cam.com/video/bTVAHNet-Fc/w-d-xo.html
This is great i have bought courses from both of you am surprised it has taken you so long to get together , I guess you next big podcast Anthony has to be with Jim Kwik , when are you planning to do it :-)
Thanks, Arinze.
I'm not sure if that will ever happen. But if so, I'm sure it will be an interesting discussion. :-)
You're awesome !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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😮learning can be a hobby as well
Definitely. And much fun too, especially the fun of pushing through plateaus and challenges.
This is amazing! 😃
Glad you think so!
Thank you both for a very interesting conversation. Best wishes!!
Thanks for listening!
"spirit of cooperation and not competition"
The only way to be!
Do you also share that mindset?
I bought that program off E bay for cheap Mega Memory and advanced MM TAPES. and I have his book Mega Memory. That was my first step into memory training.
It's a fun little program!
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM oh I have the book as well.
So when will you be on Ron’s channel? Just curious. Always enjoy watching this video I know both you and Ron and Nelson taught me a lot. In different ways. - Bill -
He did suggest it at one point. Maybe he needs a reminder from someone other than me? (I’m a bit too modest to suggest it myself, but I think it would be great to speak again.)
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM okay I’ll drop him a comment.
Great conversation! Could you please use time stamps for main points? ..
Thanks for checking this one out.
I love listening to the “Nerdy” stuff!!
Hoping to gather more soon. Have you heard the recent Braden Adams interview? We also get deep into the weeds, particularly about the Shadow technique.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM yes I did. I love hearing about the “weeds”
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I love that rap! Where I can downlaod it?
Kind regards, masters Anthony and Ron.
Please shoot me an email. I'll see what I can do! :-)
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Thank you, I´ll do it right now ;)
Great!
That was a pretty good suggestion Ron White made Anthony, to either videotape or take photos as you walk around the city / place, for creating a person's Memory Palace. No need to respond to my comment I know that we just talked two days ago. Hope your day is going well today, mine is, I love that I made a deal with my boss to where I come in at a later start time. [ I'm might not as make as much money this year, but I sure as heck won't be dumb.]
Thanks, John.
Yes, I've experimented with that at various times. I still prefer the speed and haptic benefits of drawing them, though. Part of the memory benefits for me come from reconstructing journeys in minimal ways that force you to work with only the details you remember.
I actually have to count how many words my Sanskrit comes up to. I wonder how close it is to the names. Even if the volume is close, I'm not sure I could accurately spell it all because I've memorized the sound and meaning only thus far. It would be interesting to see how I might need to change the approach to Memory Palaces if I made spelling a requirement.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I see your point about relying on the crutch making a video of a particular Journey. Because at some level the mind needs to be forced to work for the neuronal connections to take place. ___________________ I know what you are saying about having a system in place and then trying to add spelling to it. Sometimes it just doesn't fit. _______ But you said in one of your videos, something to the effect of having a mirror Memory Palace in heaven or hell to compliment The Memory Palace on Earth. Perhaps using the first letter of a particular Sanskrit word......... to magically transport you to another location or something. Like, Athens Ohio, Berea Ohio, Columbus Ohio, Dayton Ohio, Egypt Ohio, 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I know there's no such thing as Egypt Ohio, but there is in my mind. [ I learned all that stuff from the magnetic memory method .] You should listen to that guy he's amazing, he has the perfect level of seriousness and humor and really understands the human condition. [ Obviously being humorous there, you'll figure something out, if it's necessary.] My uncle Seamus used to say who gives a darn if something spelled wrong. And who's to say what spelling of a particular word is right or wrong.
That is an interesting point about spelling - it's definitely a convention at the end of the day.
But, since these conventions live in our brain cells, they're also deeply personal. So it's little wonder if people get attached to things like this.
On the note of photographing MPs, this interesting NPR piece just came out:
www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/08/05/1022041431/to-remember-the-moment-try-taking-fewer-photos
It's all about remembering more by photographing less.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I looked at your linked article, and I agreed with every paragraph that I read this far. It's an honor to be a member of your You Tube channel.
It's an honor to have you and many, many thanks for your support of this initiative! :-)
Hello Anthony, it sounds like in your memory technique you work purely on the strength of the associations that you make. Therefore, you could have 1,000 lockers, and as long as you knew the associations between each picture (or peg), you can memorize at least a 1,000 units of information, which you attach to your picture or peg for each locker. The genius behind this is that it allows one to store lots and lots of information. Good job.
Yes, I think it all comes down to strength of association - and for me it's the space itself that is the key association. That's why numbers are so useful. 02 is always directly to the right of 01, so there's no need to "see" anything. I can feel it spatially.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Anthony, great interview. I really enjoyed watching this. I am curious if you went any further with the lockers idea?
Even memory experts forgets
Yes, and I sometimes even use techniques to ensure that I forget certain things.
63 is gym for me as well
64 is chess because chessboards have 64 squares and I love chess
65 is Jail
66 is highway because of route 66 famous highway in the US
67 is a shed on the side of the highway
68 chef
69 well I’ll just say Yin Yang ☯️ for decency
70 is cat for me
71 is sr-71 black bird (or just bird for story)
72 is room or my bedroom because 72 is room temperature
73 is gas can because 1973 was the start of gas shortages
74 is a 1974 Pontiac Trans am muscle car that needs a lot of gas ( or just a car if it works better in a story)
75 is Coal
My point is I have some of the same objects in very close to the same place as you guys as well. However, I am using a mixture of multiple pre-made systems that I heavily modified and personalised so it’s not that much of a surprise to me.
Using the Major as a base does limit the possible choices for the generic word assignment. But how each of us personalize those words is potentially infinite. 🙏
I hope this will be soon 1:37:44
That would be fun.
Hey Anthony, can you leave a link to what you are talking about at 47:27 (Rake Lock) thanks in advance.
Do you mean the katapayadi?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katapayadi_system
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM yes I did. Thanks Anthony!!
Hello Anthony…is masterclass podcasts?or videos like you share in youtube?
Thanks for asking about this.
It is mostly video training with some MP3 and PDF elements where related to the info you need to succeed.
Please let me know if you have further questions - you can also send an email directly as well.
Thanks again and talk soon!
I noticed that Ron White looks to the right when he is remembering and to his left when he is accessing his imagination. This is for NLP students. It kind of goes against the " person who looks to the left is accessing memory" general stereo type.
Just an observation, not meant to start a debate with anyone. Just an observation I thought was interesting.
Also, I understand that the image may be reversed due to recording and TH-cam. I have noticed that when watching TH-cam, the writing is seen as "backwards". I'm not making a determination, but I'm interested in knowing which way his eyes move when he accesses his memory.
Thanks for reading this comment.
Thanks for this.
I don't think this particular point in NLP is particularly well-demonstrated, and one would have to cultivate a far larger data set than this video to be within statistical relevance for a valid study of one individual, let alone establishing a principle for groups.
It's possible that the image was reverse as we were using Zoom and it sometimes does that, yes, But the point remains the same that NLP has a huge burden of evidence on this particular point. Indeed, everything that is true in NLP is true because it's true, not because of NLP.
Hey! How long does the course take to complete? I don’t see any sort of indication anywhere! Thanks
It’s been a few years since I completed it. Best to email Ron and/or his team for specifics as it may have been updated.
How much is the course
I think he recently updated it. Best to check his site for the recent pricing.
But is it even possible to memorize 28 digits in total 3 seconds?
People use memory systems to do the equivalent of this, though I haven't seen a citation of this specific outcome. But if you know how cards are typically memorized, then the record now is I believe under 12 seconds for 52.
But I'm not sure how exactly you would divide individual seconds given the procedures that mnemonists use. It's an interesting question.
Thanks for the reply Anthony
My pleasure!
Hmmm, I'm trying to stay open-minded but this really seems to be pointing towards something too good to be true. Hmm.. I'll just watch and see what happens without expectations.
Thanks for your post. May I ask what specifically about it seems too good to be true?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM (I didn't intend for this to be so long lol.)
Hmm, I'm not sure I can point to anything specific right off the bat. I was introduced to you through your interview with Curt Jaimungal. If I had come across you before seeing the interview I probably would have just ignored your channel completely and written you off as another clickbaiter.
Perhaps that sounds harsh but there's a ton of BS online and there's no way I can go through all of it to see what works and what doesn't, it's usually best to assume it's all flash and no substance.
I haven't watched very much of your content (although I plan to watch more) and there hasn't been any implementation as of yet with what I have seen and I think this is the main support for my continued open-mindedness.
There's also something else keeping me lured in. See, I have your book, The Victorious Mind, along with 500+ other books from other authors (some bought, some pending), and I have this problem with wanting to read everything all at once so I didn't get very far with your book along with dozens of others that I'm about a few chapters in with each of them, but from what I did read I immediately understood the story you were sharing regarding mental illness.
I have been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and suicidal ideation is a near constant thing for me. I don't want to die before I know this and this and this and this and this and this thing on and on and on it goes I'm interested in learning so many things yet at the same time I want to be unconscious and no longer experiencing anything at all. It's like some kind of tight rope I can never get off of to stable ground. I want to get to the other side but the risk of falling is there with me until then.
Anyways, I hope that as I make my way further through your book that perhaps the same things that helped you will help me as well. I'm going to stop typing here. Thanks for taking the time to read.
Thanks for your candid thoughts.
In our community, we call the desire to read it all "The Faust Syndrome."
Wanting to have it all is like selling your soul to the devil. You wind up losing the thing that is most precious: Time and especially the present moment.
The important thing is that you are reading. Many don't, so congrats on that.
And there's no universal rule that one actually has to read books from beginning to end.
However, the thing I hope you can pick out in this discussion with Ron is that you really can memorize thousands of pieces of information with a high degree of accuracy.
And I know you can do it as well.
So if there is one book or program that must be completed from beginning to end, it is a memory book, possibly more than one.
Neither Ron nor myself learned it all from one source. I'm not sure a person alive ever has.
But being thorough in taking steps with the practice is very important.
About suicidal ideation, I know how tough it is. Not a day goes by when I don't have to work with it myself.
But the threat is now gone and the peace I've achieved is real.
And part of it came from ceasing my own cynicism about "click baiters."
Solid memory training, especially with the goal of cleansing the mind, will help you embrace more. And often you'll find that there was a lot more genuine help in the things that previously seemed insidious than it seemed.
In any case, a properly trained memory is WAY better than "too good to be true." It is the cleansing of the very thing in which the notion of memory itself rests.
That's why I keep polishing that lens day after day and please just shout out if there's anything I can do or say to help you do the same for yourself along the way. :-)
Me : who forgets my friend name to call him
You can improve that. Go for Blackbelt Memory!