A lot of people still don't understand DC fast charging. 250KW doesn't matter if it only peaks for a few minutes and you have to get the pack to less than 10%. You are correct - it's all about the charging curve. If you can sustain 130-150kw for 20 minutes from 10-80% or even slightly lower time, that's the key.
I hope that we 2022-2024 owners get the new interface, specifically the ability to preheat the battery without having to input a charger destination into the navigation system.
@@BenefitOfTheDoubtInquiry Basically, people don't want to have to set a destination for multiple reasons including using Waze or Google maps and just knowing where they are going. Just having the option is nice I guess since it's available for other cars
Interesting to see this the other way around, thanks Bob. Certainly helps new owners understand why non-Tesla chargers will be the better option for road trips when speed/power is the main consideration. For longer stops, remote locations with V3, or just to avoid congestion, Superchargers might still be the preferable option. Either way, the extra choice is nice to have.
Nice! The reverse process from the other day! I hope that Hyundai will issue an OTA update to allow me to start battery pre-conditioning myself. Today I hope to go test out using my A2Z adapter at a Supercharger. Wish me luck!
@@tonepilot I struck out. After plugging in with my adapter and designating the number of the Supercharger, I only got a message: "Your vehicle is not able to charge at Superchargers at this time." Bummer.
I too am from Manitowoc as well ,I have a 23 ioniq 5 and I can wait to get supercharger access so when I make my trips to visit my mother I don't have to level 1 in the garage I can now just go to Festy and use the superchargers.
@electricprincipal543 So unbeknownst Pat was a teacher at Lincoln high school school when I was a student from 99-01. If I can remember correctly he was in charge of setting up a student based tech support that I was part of. On to the next subject, I also own a Kia EV9 which supposedly was going to get supercharger access tomorrow, but that looks like it's getting delayed, which throws a wrench in my plans driving to my mother's home. Chicago to Manitowoc. I had such a difficult time charging the EV9 at the Van horn DC charger with the payment system. Looks like I will be taking the Ioniq5 instead . I just looked at the tesla app and it says the Manitowoc superchargers will work with the 23 with adapter. So I am going to try it out tonight down here as a test. Traveling with the Ioniq5 with 2 dogs a 5 year old space is limited. Thanks Corbin for turning me onto your channel!
Yes there are some people who think...the car has a nacs port you can Only use a tesla charger now.... Nope, it's just a connector, you are free to use any charger you want to. Using a supercharger is a great backup option if nothing else is available. I have been to an Arco that had 3 chargers / 6 plugs 4 CCS, 1 NACS (tesla) and 1 chademo. Or like you did use an adapter to use any CCS charger.
Thanks for the great video. I am wondering why the Ioniq 5 was delisted from the EV credit list. The EV6 is still on the list and they are both made in the same factory in Georgia.
So it may take 5-10 minutes more at a Tesla charger. I do not mind one bit. I only need them on a road trip, and now I will have more options, and less worry when I need to charge on the road. Giving Elon one red cent is sad though. I’ll avoid them, but like the rest of us, I will have to do, what I have to do.
@ I did not know it was possible to change comments. Anyway, anything over a 100KW is fast to me. My car is old enough that it does not precondition at all so it would be charging at maybe 24 KW
For me, if everyone doesn't have incentive based free charging, we can travel and not worry about queuing or non-functioning chargers. It will be pricey as it should be for cost outside of the home. If we only use the DC fast network for true travel, the infrastructure will be there to support it. It will overall improve the EV experience.
do you know anyone that has a home tesla charger? would like to know how the new 2025 ioniq5 works with those. i take delivery of my 2025 i5 this week, researching nacs home charging now.
The reason the charging slows down when the battery gets full is because they don’t want to spill any electrons. I know they have cleanup kits with each charger but it’s still a pain.
I am very happy to see more interoperability between manufacturers and networks. I am a little lost as to why you would still provide the convenience of NACS charging ports on your car and yet still put them on the "wrong" (in Tesla terms) side of the car. Not mad but am just lost as to why.
Last important information to find out! At what percentage does preconditionning stop? Is it still 20% like the old cars? It's hopefully a lower number!
No, I took it down to 5% today. It seems like there are no barriers. I just hope all the rookies out there don’t end up draining the rest of the battery power :-)
The adapter cannot communicate with the car, it’s totally passive. This may have been a 150kW station. (They charge around 170-180kW on 800V cars) But I didn’t catch if he mentioned how fast the station was or not.
The Ioniq 5 is one of the faster charging EVs available. However, no EV is likely to see its peak charging power in the cold winter weather. 160 kw is faster than many EVs can charge even under ideal conditions.
You briefly showed a screen in the car that had two charging accounts. What was that? I have a five year old Kia Niro EV and my EA account is on my phone.
Hi my name is phil and I'm from the uk I've got a 2024 ionic 5 I picked it up last Wednesday please could you tell me what adapter to use for my car its a ccs and I want to use it for the tesla charger if you could help me I'd be most appreciated thanks
Not an issue for UK. All Cars use CCS2. Some Tesla superchargers are available for non Teslas use., Refer to tesla app or another charge map app to locate compatible locations
Are you living in the United States? If so, Hyundai will provide you with a charger since you own a 24. If you don’t wanna wait, order one from Lectron.
There's more to it than just how fast can I charge my battery. It's also about battery life. Tesla maximizes charge with consideration to battery life.
Yes, of course. So does the Hyundai. But the high voltage design of the Hyundai allows more KW at lower current (amperage), and it’s the current level that is damaging to all batteries. Watts = Volts * Amps
Currently, in rural SW Colorado CCS charging locations greatly outnumber the Version 3/4 Superchargers locations accessible to nonTesla EVs. Outside of the I-70 and I-25 Interstate highway corridors there are currently only three Version 3 Superchargers (Montrose, Telluride & Alamosa). In the same area there are over twenty nonTesla DC fast charging locations. Even around Grand Junction, the biggest town in western Colorado and right on I-70, there is only one Version 2 Supercharger. Apparently there are plans for additional Supercharger locations in places like Durango, Cortez, Pagosa Springs, Gunnison and Grand Junction, which should be Version 4 and open to nonTesla EVs. However, only Durango has advanced to the "permitting" phase. Not complaining just pointing out charging options do vary geographically. I welcome every step towards universal access to public EV charging.
There are very few states that have the infrastructure we have. Of course, we still have some holes in coverage, but it’s way better than most states. Corbin, The Ioniq Guy., spent the day with me and he told me the lack of CCS charging in Massachusetts is a nightmare. He’s looking forward to charging his 25 Ioniq with Tesla chargers.
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Charging speed in KW is almost irrelevant. What really matters is how many mph of charge are you getting? Tesla vehicles are so much more efficient than the Ioniq 5 that they make up some if not all of the difference in charging speed in KW. I have ultra efficient tires on my Model 3 Performance and I get 4.54 miles per kWh. Therefore, I can go a lot further without charging for a long time. I unplug before the Tesla curve starts to really drop. I have added less kWh than an Ioniq 6 would have but I still added about the same range. It is a trade off. Do you want to have high speed charging or ultra efficient driving? Both give you good range.
@ the huge battery helps on the first leg but then it becomes a burden if it doesn’t charge fast enough once you have depleted it. I know the Silverado has decent charging speeds under ideal conditions but sometimes it doesn’t charge at full speeds. Right now the Ioniq 6 seems like the best compromise of reasonable efficiency and fast charging for a reasonable price. Porsche is ridiculously fast at charging but it is also ridiculously expensive.
So that seems expensive to charge. Basically 60% for $30. Not an EV hater, actually have a PHEV with Tesla UWC at home but for the range charged, seems considerably more expensive than fuel which is < $3/gal.
It cost me $2.30 to put 100 miles worth of fuel in my ionic in Fort Collins when charging at home. I charge at home 90% of the time, so when I do take a road trip I don’t mind spending more money because I saved so much by charging at home the rest of the time.
I’m in vegas with a new 5N. We have NO chargers here. Found ONE at 36kw. The rest 6.6kw. Why are all the chargers in the crappy cold cities? Two EA chargers here. Usually broke or max 48kw. My new 2025 5N does not have the Tesla plug.
Yes, the 5N came out in mid-2024 and did not yet have the J3400 port. I count 11 EA locations in greater Las Vegas, all of which have 4 chargers, so 44 chargers there. The two Kroger-Smiths locations are 4 x 150kw, but the other 9 locations have 4 x 350kw chargers.
@@dperreno 44 chargers for a population of 3 plus million? I live here. 99% of the time the only one working is at B&D property management on at rose oarkway. 38kw max.
@@dperreno NONE have 350kw. WHEN they last worked a year ago that 350 is split 4 tines. Max at those chargers were around 95kw. They no longer work or again when they do it’s around 48kw now.
@@dperreno People break the clips on the charging plug. So even if charger by miracle work the charging plug won’t clip into the car and the cable just drops on the ground lol. It’s a disaster here for real. EV’s are the highest traded in vehicle within one month of buying because everyone discovers you can’t charge these turds. And in VEGAS apartments do NOT allow level 2 charging installation in rented garages. Most won’t allow level 1 either.
South premium outlet is busy but is 350kw. Did you happen to try the Tesla to ccs adapter? I have an adapter that worked for me at the South premium outlet Tesla chargers for my GM vehicle.
It’s not at all beside the point; charging one of the fastest charging EVs at half speed at a Supercharger is just silly unless it’s an emergency. Aside from the Musk factor.
A lot of people still don't understand DC fast charging. 250KW doesn't matter if it only peaks for a few minutes and you have to get the pack to less than 10%. You are correct - it's all about the charging curve. If you can sustain 130-150kw for 20 minutes from 10-80% or even slightly lower time, that's the key.
But it doesn’t peak for a few minutes on eGMP EVs, like it does on Teslas.
@@JohnCap523 if you have the option, you'd of course go to a 800v station. But the point is that if tesla is your only choice, it's not that bad.
@@im4udevco my comment here was about Tesla EV charging curves vs EVs with good charging curves, not about using Superchargers on 800v EVs.
I hope that we 2022-2024 owners get the new interface, specifically the ability to preheat the battery without having to input a charger destination into the navigation system.
Probably won't happen as its part of the new CCNC system that we wont get. But fingers always crossed.
If it's software only maybe. If the infotainement system is more powerful (different hardware) then perhaps not
Why would you not want the nav destination be the reason to precondition? The car will know how intensely and at what time to begin preconditioning.
@@BenefitOfTheDoubtInquiry Basically, people don't want to have to set a destination for multiple reasons including using Waze or Google maps and just knowing where they are going. Just having the option is nice I guess since it's available for other cars
Interesting to see this the other way around, thanks Bob. Certainly helps new owners understand why non-Tesla chargers will be the better option for road trips when speed/power is the main consideration. For longer stops, remote locations with V3, or just to avoid congestion, Superchargers might still be the preferable option. Either way, the extra choice is nice to have.
Thank you for this content. You are the first with a 2025 Ioniq5.
it's all about the curve!
Yes!
Nice! The reverse process from the other day! I hope that Hyundai will issue an OTA update to allow me to start battery pre-conditioning myself. Today I hope to go test out using my A2Z adapter at a Supercharger. Wish me luck!
Good luck! Report back
@@tonepilot I struck out. After plugging in with my adapter and designating the number of the Supercharger, I only got a message: "Your vehicle is not able to charge at Superchargers at this time." Bummer.
I too am from Manitowoc as well ,I have a 23 ioniq 5 and I can wait to get supercharger access so when I make my trips to visit my mother I don't have to level 1 in the garage I can now just go to Festy and use the superchargers.
Thanks for watching! Change is coming to Manitowoc and Wisconsin. Time to end the electric desert. Stay warm!
@electricprincipal543 So unbeknownst Pat was a teacher at Lincoln high school school when I was a student from 99-01. If I can remember correctly he was in charge of setting up a student based tech support that I was part of.
On to the next subject, I also own a Kia EV9 which supposedly was going to get supercharger access tomorrow, but that looks like it's getting delayed, which throws a wrench in my plans driving to my mother's home. Chicago to Manitowoc. I had such a difficult time charging the EV9 at the Van horn DC charger with the payment system. Looks like I will be taking the Ioniq5 instead . I just looked at the tesla app and it says the Manitowoc superchargers will work with the 23 with adapter. So I am going to try it out tonight down here as a test. Traveling with the Ioniq5 with 2 dogs a 5 year old space is limited. Thanks Corbin for turning me onto your channel!
Yes there are some people who think...the car has a nacs port you can Only use a tesla charger now.... Nope, it's just a connector, you are free to use any charger you want to. Using a supercharger is a great backup option if nothing else is available. I have been to an Arco that had 3 chargers / 6 plugs 4 CCS, 1 NACS (tesla) and 1 chademo. Or like you did use an adapter to use any CCS charger.
Thanks for the great video. I am wondering why the Ioniq 5 was delisted from the EV credit list. The EV6 is still on the list and they are both made in the same factory in Georgia.
So it may take 5-10 minutes more at a Tesla charger. I do not mind one bit. I only need them on a road trip, and now I will have more options, and less worry when I need to charge on the road. Giving Elon one red cent is sad though. I’ll avoid them, but like the rest of us, I will have to do, what I have to do.
No, he has put out two videos. The 2025 Ioniq 5 charged faster at EA than at Tesla
@ my mistake. I confused the two. I fixed the error. Thanks for the heads up.
@ I did not know it was possible to change comments. Anyway, anything over a 100KW is fast to me. My car is old enough that it does not precondition at all so it would be charging at maybe 24 KW
Hi it's Phil from great Britain again do you know if the free adapter is coming for ionic 5 to briton ? by the way aosome car
Is that the IONIQ Guys new ride?
Close but no mine has the dark green interior. Bob’s picking me up from the airport in an hour and taking me to pick mine up!
@ Oh, cool! I will be tracking your adventures back home. Enjoy the new car!
Shame they didn’t move the charging port to the drivers side, like Tesla, Audi and Volvo.
For me, if everyone doesn't have incentive based free charging, we can travel and not worry about queuing or non-functioning chargers. It will be pricey as it should be for cost outside of the home. If we only use the DC fast network for true travel, the infrastructure will be there to support it. It will overall improve the EV experience.
When will the 2024 will get the nacs adapters
Did the adapter slow down the charge rate? Would it have been faster at that stall on a 24?
cool video.
Adapters cannot change the charge rate, they are passive and don’t communicate with the vehicle.
@@fiehlsport I thought they may have loss and heating that would limit the amount of current that can pass, no?
@@edsinofskySomething would be very wrong if heating was high enough to cause the system to limit the amount of current.
How much did the adapter cost you to charge at CCS chargers?
The adapter comes free with the car!
do you know anyone that has a home tesla charger? would like to know how the new 2025 ioniq5 works with those. i take delivery of my 2025 i5 this week, researching nacs home charging now.
The reason the charging slows down when the battery gets full is because they don’t want to spill any electrons. I know they have cleanup kits with each charger but it’s still a pain.
I am very happy to see more interoperability between manufacturers and networks. I am a little lost as to why you would still provide the convenience of NACS charging ports on your car and yet still put them on the "wrong" (in Tesla terms) side of the car. Not mad but am just lost as to why.
There is some thought that having the port on the passenger side facilitated curbside charging.
Last important information to find out! At what percentage does preconditionning stop? Is it still 20% like the old cars? It's hopefully a lower number!
No, I took it down to 5% today. It seems like there are no barriers. I just hope all the rookies out there don’t end up draining the rest of the battery power :-)
Does every 2025 IONIQ 5 model comes with the ability to do preconditioning or just some models, great video by the way 👍👍, thanks
all 25 models should have it
They all come with preconditioning.
It never hit 244 kW. Does the adapter have a limit or is the new HI5 bad at charging?
The adapter cannot communicate with the car, it’s totally passive. This may have been a 150kW station. (They charge around 170-180kW on 800V cars) But I didn’t catch if he mentioned how fast the station was or not.
The Ioniq 5 is one of the faster charging EVs available. However, no EV is likely to see its peak charging power in the cold winter weather. 160 kw is faster than many EVs can charge even under ideal conditions.
@@fiehlsport You can see from 5:08 these are gen2 chargers (all units = 350kW).
You briefly showed a screen in the car that had two charging accounts. What was that? I have a five year old Kia Niro EV and my EA account is on my phone.
I was running the Electrify America app via Apple CarPlay. If your car is equipped with Apple CarPlay, you can too.
Does the adapter lock into the car or just the plug into the adapter?
There's a pin on the nacs side that contacts the car( watch the video) and locks the adapters together until the charge is stopped.
Which charge port location do you prefer? In the back? In the front grill? Or near the driver’s door?
I love how Rivian does it. I like a charging port in the front, but it seems most manufacturers don’t like my method :-)
@@electricprincipal543 I think it is better it is better in the front also.
Hi my name is phil and I'm from the uk I've got a 2024 ionic 5 I picked it up last Wednesday please could you tell me what adapter to use for my car its a ccs and I want to use it for the tesla charger if you could help me I'd be most appreciated thanks
Not an issue for UK. All Cars use CCS2. Some Tesla superchargers are available for non Teslas use., Refer to tesla app or another charge map app to locate compatible locations
Are you living in the United States? If so, Hyundai will provide you with a charger since you own a 24. If you don’t wanna wait, order one from Lectron.
The EA chargers need to shift some of their cables to NACS
Is that adapter rated for 800v?
Yes
I wish they made Tesla switch to CCS. NACS needs to be redesigned to charge at higher KWs levels.
When the V4 1000 kW chargers are turned on you are going to see maximum charging speeds. Right now, your car will charge faster than a model 3.
There's more to it than just how fast can I charge my battery. It's also about battery life. Tesla maximizes charge with consideration to battery life.
Yes, of course. So does the Hyundai.
But the high voltage design of the Hyundai allows more KW at lower current (amperage), and it’s the current level that is damaging to all batteries.
Watts = Volts * Amps
Currently, in rural SW Colorado CCS charging locations greatly outnumber the Version 3/4 Superchargers locations accessible to nonTesla EVs. Outside of the I-70 and I-25 Interstate highway corridors there are currently only three Version 3 Superchargers (Montrose, Telluride & Alamosa). In the same area there are over twenty nonTesla DC fast charging locations.
Even around Grand Junction, the biggest town in western Colorado and right on I-70, there is only one Version 2 Supercharger. Apparently there are plans for additional Supercharger locations in places like Durango, Cortez, Pagosa Springs, Gunnison and Grand Junction, which should be Version 4 and open to nonTesla EVs. However, only Durango has advanced to the "permitting" phase.
Not complaining just pointing out charging options do vary geographically. I welcome every step towards universal access to public EV charging.
There are very few states that have the infrastructure we have. Of course, we still have some holes in coverage, but it’s way better than most states. Corbin, The Ioniq Guy., spent the day with me and he told me the lack of CCS charging in Massachusetts is a nightmare. He’s looking forward to charging his 25 Ioniq with Tesla chargers.
@ Agreed. The EV charging infrastructure varies greatly geographically. Colorado jump started the build out statewide.
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160kw at 50+ is impressive.
Who cares what the power is though? All that matters is 10-80% charge TIME. Keep it under 15m and everyone will be happy.
Charging speed in KW is almost irrelevant. What really matters is how many mph of charge are you getting? Tesla vehicles are so much more efficient than the Ioniq 5 that they make up some if not all of the difference in charging speed in KW. I have ultra efficient tires on my Model 3 Performance and I get 4.54 miles per kWh. Therefore, I can go a lot further without charging for a long time. I unplug before the Tesla curve starts to really drop. I have added less kWh than an Ioniq 6 would have but I still added about the same range. It is a trade off. Do you want to have high speed charging or ultra efficient driving? Both give you good range.
Wonderful comment. Also, if you put a huge battery in a car that helps… Silverado.
@ the huge battery helps on the first leg but then it becomes a burden if it doesn’t charge fast enough once you have depleted it. I know the Silverado has decent charging speeds under ideal conditions but sometimes it doesn’t charge at full speeds. Right now the Ioniq 6 seems like the best compromise of reasonable efficiency and fast charging for a reasonable price. Porsche is ridiculously fast at charging but it is also ridiculously expensive.
So that seems expensive to charge. Basically 60% for $30. Not an EV hater, actually have a PHEV with Tesla UWC at home but for the range charged, seems considerably more expensive than fuel which is < $3/gal.
The ccs networks are fairly expensive. I've seen EA and evgo prices from .56 to .7 kwh. Supercharger prices are usually cheaper
It cost me $2.30 to put 100 miles worth of fuel in my ionic in Fort Collins when charging at home. I charge at home 90% of the time, so when I do take a road trip I don’t mind spending more money because I saved so much by charging at home the rest of the time.
I’m in vegas with a new 5N. We have NO chargers here. Found ONE at 36kw. The rest 6.6kw. Why are all the chargers in the crappy cold cities? Two EA chargers here. Usually broke or max 48kw. My new 2025 5N does not have the Tesla plug.
Yes, the 5N came out in mid-2024 and did not yet have the J3400 port.
I count 11 EA locations in greater Las Vegas, all of which have 4 chargers, so 44 chargers there. The two Kroger-Smiths locations are 4 x 150kw, but the other 9 locations have 4 x 350kw chargers.
@@dperreno
44 chargers for a population of 3 plus million? I live here. 99% of the time the only one working is at B&D property management on at rose oarkway. 38kw max.
@@dperreno
NONE have 350kw. WHEN they last worked a year ago that 350 is split 4 tines. Max at those chargers were around 95kw. They no longer work or again when they do it’s around 48kw now.
@@dperreno
People break the clips on the charging plug. So even if charger by miracle work the charging plug won’t clip into the car and the cable just drops on the ground lol. It’s a disaster here for real. EV’s are the highest traded in vehicle within one month of buying because everyone discovers you can’t charge these turds. And in VEGAS apartments do NOT allow level 2 charging installation in rented garages. Most won’t allow level 1 either.
South premium outlet is busy but is 350kw. Did you happen to try the Tesla to ccs adapter? I have an adapter that worked for me at the South premium outlet Tesla chargers for my GM vehicle.
Wisconsin. Got it. I was trying to place your accent.
Eliminating the plan is one way of handling "congestion"
Thanks for watching the channel. You don’t have to wait any longer because the 25 in the United States has a NACS port.
Tesla rules EV’s. Ionic 5 will never have self-driving unless they purchase it from Tesla!
Maybe someday Tesla self drive will actually work :-)
I helped a neighbor with his 24 model Y and the thing still has phantom braking.
It’s not at all beside the point; charging one of the fastest charging EVs at half speed at a Supercharger is just silly unless it’s an emergency.
Aside from the Musk factor.
You want options now, and in five years almost all of the connectors at all stations will be J3400.
@ Uh huh, and so when I ask why all new chargers installed today aren’t 350s, that’s when you’re response would be apropos, not about this… 😛😛