Walter's excitement when the charger activated was a real hoot! I'm really jazzed for Walter and all the other GM EVs out there. Can't wait for Polestar and Volvo to get on the network next. Congrats!
Yes, as a former Tesla owner I felt it needed to be discussed. There will be a few years of aches and pains, but we are sure to be all enjoying as we move along. Thx for watching.
I also got a good chuckle out of Walter literally jumping for joy! One thing to note: the Bolts will need to go to the dealer to get a software update to work at the Tesla chargers. So that isn’t very convenient but may be worth it for many people.
According to an official GM blog post from today on their website, only “Select Bolt EVs (mostly MY19 and MY20) may require a software update to ensure seamless charging at a Tesla Supercharger,” ... “Those customers can order a GM approved NACS DC adapter through their GM vehicle brand apps and contact their Chevrolet dealership to schedule this complimentary software update.”
Great that GM has finally gotten access to the SCs. Will make life easier when on a road trip. The remaining issue is that the SCs which tend to be where there aren't other DC chargers are the earlier versions which don't support NACS. Turning the dispensers is ingenious. It can't solve the issue of taking up two spaces -- assuming there isn't another vehicle that can't deal with that -- but it will solve the issue of the cord being too short. The SCs are very picky about the cord being under load, leaving you no choice other than to park sideways (which always works).
@@thenetworkarchitectchannel When there are many spaces available, as was the case in your video, it's not big deal. Assuming the other vehicles are Teslas, you're taking two spaces either way, but parking sideways eliminates all issues with the short cords. I suspect the short cords will frequently be a problem for the Lyric given its hood is on the longer side, pushing the charge port further from the charging stand. Not being able to use a SC because the cord doesn't reach isn't an imaginary problem. Note that the idea of "taking two spaces" isn't valid if all the other vehicles aren't Teslas. When all the different makes of EVs have access to the SCs it's going to be a bit of a mess.
Yeehaw, there be electrons in them thar Tesla posts. Thanks for taking us along on the GM-Supercharger gold rush, Walter... hope fellow owners follow your advice and mine sustainably!🙏⚡
Another excellent video! I woke up this morning to the news. I plan on getting an adapter in the coming weeks using my Chevrolet rewards points. I've had my Bolt EV for about 10 months and I've never used a public charger. Never had a need for one. But when I get my adapter I'm heading straight to the Super chargers to test it out. Gr8 vid as usual. 🚙🇺🇸⚡🔌
I love the front mounted charge port on my Kona EV. I use the EA network when traveling mostly. They usually have two sideways mounted chargers. I just pull straight in, it doesn't matter which side the charger is on. If the front charger is busy, then I back in. Some people don't like the looks of the front charge point. I don't care, I'd rather have the convenience.
@@thenetworkarchitectchannel I’m going to try charging through the Tesla app instead of the Mychevy app. Mainly because I don’t have an Onstar subscription.
I do and don’t like how GM does the (blank) miles per hour on the dash inside the car, but to check the actual KwH you have to check the charger which you obviously can’t do on a Tesla. But I’ve been able to Max my Lyriq charging speeds on other DC fast chargers, of course my battery was much lower than yours was when you began charging which allows for more speed. I just wanted to see how fast you can go on a SC. Are Tesla SC’s rated for different KwH like other dc fast chargers? What was the one you were using rated at?
Thanks, Walter! I'm surprised Ultium EVs don't have plug and charge on the Superchargers, especially since it took so long to gain access. I know that one issue GM has had is with CPOs demanding too much access to GM's IP and customer information. I wonder whether that is tied to their reluctance to activate plug and charge despite Ultium supporting ISO 15118.
It surprised me as well. I was fully anticipating it working like EV Connect. Maybe a a l8tr time though. I am sure all these matters will be ironed out. Thx for watching.
I ordered the adapter from the MyChevrolet app today for my Bolt EUV. The sale completed but it says the part is back ordered 🤷♂️ was great to see things work for you though
If anyone out there finds better videos to show in plain language exactly what you need for EV charging, especially for Caddy's/GM's, tell me. I'd like to argue with you! Kudos sir, I share your excitement! I will be ordering my adapter for my Lyriq soon!!!!
Plug and charge protocol uses certificate exchange for authentication and is more secure then auto charge which matches the MAC address of the vehicle with the stored payment method. Some vehicles don’t have a fixed MAC address and can’t use auto charge. And nefarious tech savvy people can spoof the MAC address of a vehicle so it appears on the network and chargers as someone else’s vehicle. So don’t expect Tesla to ever support this method of charging.
Nice video. You should let your videos know that with the Tesla membership, $12.99 for a month, you get significantly cheaper prices. So that .58 cents is .46 cents per kW for example. And if plan your charging a little bit, the .38 cents per kW becomes around .27 cents, and so forth. So if you're on a road trip, pay for it for that month. It usually pays for itself after 1 or 2 charges at the most.
Too many apps lol. Let the people charge! When you’ve been driving for the past few hours and you need to use the restroom, plug and charge/auto charge is magical ha.
When you pulled nose in you were still occupying two Tesla stalls. You were filming from the stall that a Tesla vehicle would use to charge at that stall. You could and should have used the last stall and thereby NOT occupied two. You should try and use the station on the end.
lol, i noticed that too. Lyriq, Mach-E, Bolt/Blazer/Equinox EVs, etc should use the furthest charger on the right. Walter ended up blocking a stall anyways.
@@thenetworkarchitectchannel the case being made is if a Lyriq plugs into the charger furthest on the right, we maximize the flexibility of who can use the adjacent charger.
Was that Elon Musk shooting electric at GM! Hahaha ⚡️ for all non Teslas. I also own a 2020 Bolt EV Premiere with 14,000 miles, but I just use it for city driving.
Wow, 0.61 cents is too high... I agree, but that is what you tell us that GM. EVGO ect is charging. If traveling, buy the subscription for the month and get the lower cost. I'm on my 3rd brand new Tesla, so I have helped build the superchargers. I have a Cybertruck planed for 2025. I also have the CCS1 to Tesla Adapter and have used CCS1 charges a few times. Can you imagine paying $129.00 to charge a Hummer or large battery pack Silverado EV. I guess that is stll less than gas at the range. Great job and very good video with the two guys on the Lucid trip.😊
Please note that with the Tesla membership, $12.99 for a month, you get significantly cheaper prices. So that .61 cents is .48 cents per kW for example. And if plan your charging a little bit, the .38 cents per kW becomes around .27 cents, and so forth. So if you're on a road trip, pay for it for that month. It usually pays for itself after 1 or 2 charges at the most.
Walter, congratulations on access to SC! Is there any impact on your charging curve when compared to CCS chargers - I know the Equinox EV’s have been having strange charging curves on CCS charges.
Walter, nice video and beautiful car. What is your expected maximum charge rate with the v3 SC's? I have my Lectron adapter and anxiously awaiting news from MB so I can charge my EQS on the Tesla Surpercharging network.
Must be nice to have a Tesla Supercharger site every 20-30 miles available to you. Here in the middle of the country, in Oklahoma, there is only ONE Supercharger site in the entire western half of the state, on I-40 at Weatherford. And of course, this Supercharger is only a V2, so it cannot be upgraded with Magic Dock or use by non-Tesla vehicles. It is 265 miles north to the next one located on I-70 at Hays, Kansas. Or 120 miles south to the next one on US 287 in Texas. We are going to take a trip from Woodward, OK up to Dodge City, KS this weekend, 114 miles. There is no way we can take our EV on this weekend jaunt because there is no place to charge in western Kansas except along I-70 way up north. This same situation exists up and down the middle of the country, as Supercharger sites are ONLY located along Interstates, with not a one located on a US or State highway of any kind.
Dang, so strange TesSC team let a void like that exist for so long. They are normally pretty good about filling in the gaps. Hopefully things will change there soon. maybe a NEVI station or two. Stay safe.
You're still taking up two spots with the pedestals on pavement level. I think those are there for ADA compliance, not to help non-Tesla drivers, perhaps? The V4 dispenser is the solution for non-Teslas, IMHO.
With other companies installing EV charging stations, it can't come soon emough that Tesla stations will be a non-factor. I for one will not buy an EV until more non-Tesla staions come online I wouldn't give one dime to that horrible company. Many people I know feel the same way.
If you have the room, how about if Tesla installed the superchargers in every other parking space? Wouldn't help for people towing but for every one else does it work?
idea worth vetting. I know they are working on an extension cable too for v3 stalls. On v7, not really an issue since the cable is longer. Thx for watching & taking the time to share.
In Michigan there are tesla super chargers but they are V2 chargers I believe and I don't think you can charge on them. Can anyone elaborate? So around me there isn't any I can charge on. But I don't really need to because other companies are putting in decent fast chargers.
I did not. This visit was not about the charging speed though. I intend to do subsequent site visit videos where they are scored where I also include charging speeds in more detail. This vid was for a different purpose. Hope you understand. Stay safe.
This is an inferior network. I will take gas stations (PFJ, TA, Love's, Circle K, etc) over this setup every time. But "don't park in this stall' lol f that. PFJ > tesla/ea/evgo. Charging in random parking lots will never attract mass adoption. Happy for you and others who were patiently waiting.
Walter's excitement when the charger activated was a real hoot! I'm really jazzed for Walter and all the other GM EVs out there. Can't wait for Polestar and Volvo to get on the network next. Congrats!
It was authentic excitement. Can't wait to make a similar video for my Volvo XC40 Recharge. I understand they are next in line. Thx for watching.
Yeah that was a 1st. Never have I seen this guy excited and raise an octave. Loved it 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Loved your discussion of etiquette. We all have to get long as we march toward our electric future. (I own a Bolt EUV and a Model Y.)
Yes, as a former Tesla owner I felt it needed to be discussed. There will be a few years of aches and pains, but we are sure to be all enjoying as we move along. Thx for watching.
I also got a good chuckle out of Walter literally jumping for joy! One thing to note: the Bolts will need to go to the dealer to get a software update to work at the Tesla chargers. So that isn’t very convenient but may be worth it for many people.
According to an official GM blog post from today on their website, only “Select Bolt EVs (mostly MY19 and MY20) may require a software update to ensure seamless charging at a Tesla Supercharger,” ... “Those customers can order a GM approved NACS DC adapter through their GM vehicle brand apps and contact their Chevrolet dealership to schedule this complimentary software update.”
authentically an exciting moment to me. Glad it came through in vid. Thx for watching.
My 2017 Bolt EV worked on the Superchargers with no issue and no update required.
That’s really exciting for us GM EV owners & I think Walter channeled all that excitement in this video. Thanks Walter!
Yay! Delighted for you, Walter! Finally happened. And you have an adapter like mine!
Thanks, I've been enjoying all your posts. Keep up the great work!🌟
Glad you like them!
Excellent video. I am very happy to see Tesla sharing there stations now. 👋🏼✅💯
Good video Walter. It's awesome that the GM final has access. Just need plug and charge.
Great that GM has finally gotten access to the SCs. Will make life easier when on a road trip. The remaining issue is that the SCs which tend to be where there aren't other DC chargers are the earlier versions which don't support NACS.
Turning the dispensers is ingenious. It can't solve the issue of taking up two spaces -- assuming there isn't another vehicle that can't deal with that -- but it will solve the issue of the cord being too short. The SCs are very picky about the cord being under load, leaving you no choice other than to park sideways (which always works).
sideways is a last choice of desperation for me. Hopefully it never comes to that.
@@thenetworkarchitectchannel When there are many spaces available, as was the case in your video, it's not big deal. Assuming the other vehicles are Teslas, you're taking two spaces either way, but parking sideways eliminates all issues with the short cords. I suspect the short cords will frequently be a problem for the Lyric given its hood is on the longer side, pushing the charge port further from the charging stand. Not being able to use a SC because the cord doesn't reach isn't an imaginary problem.
Note that the idea of "taking two spaces" isn't valid if all the other vehicles aren't Teslas. When all the different makes of EVs have access to the SCs it's going to be a bit of a mess.
Yeehaw, there be electrons in them thar Tesla posts. Thanks for taking us along on the GM-Supercharger gold rush, Walter... hope fellow owners follow your advice and mine sustainably!🙏⚡
It is my hope as well. The future in my opinion, is bright. Thank you for watching.
Thanks for recording this. I haven’t got my adapter yet, but I am as excited as you are over being able to use the supercharger network in a pinch!
Was fun to do.
There is no clearance Clarence 😂😂😂
Another excellent video! I woke up this morning to the news. I plan on getting an adapter in the coming weeks using my Chevrolet rewards points. I've had my Bolt EV for about 10 months and I've never used a public charger. Never had a need for one. But when I get my adapter I'm heading straight to the Super chargers to test it out. Gr8 vid as usual. 🚙🇺🇸⚡🔌
Love to hear. Enjoy the road. Stay safe & proud.
I love the front mounted charge port on my Kona EV. I use the EA network when traveling mostly. They usually have two sideways mounted chargers. I just pull straight in, it doesn't matter which side the charger is on. If the front charger is busy, then I back in. Some people don't like the looks of the front charge point. I don't care, I'd rather have the convenience.
Seems to me the most logical place to put it. Leaf too has it there.
Love the excitement. So cool. Welcome to the supercharger family. :)
Glad to be one of the cool kids.
Atta boy Walter, happy for ya.
Thank you ❤
You're welcome 😊
Thanks Walter. Great stuff!
Glad you enjoyed it
@@thenetworkarchitectchannel I’m going to try charging through the Tesla app instead of the Mychevy app. Mainly because I don’t have an Onstar subscription.
I was hoping to see your charging speeds in your video. Great video as always
Me as well. I realized after I got home I didn’t press record on that part. I was getting 87 kW
I do and don’t like how GM does the (blank) miles per hour on the dash inside the car, but to check the actual KwH you have to check the charger which you obviously can’t do on a Tesla. But I’ve been able to Max my Lyriq charging speeds on other DC fast chargers, of course my battery was much lower than yours was when you began charging which allows for more speed. I just wanted to see how fast you can go on a SC.
Are Tesla SC’s rated for different KwH like other dc fast chargers? What was the one you were using rated at?
Thanks, Walter! I'm surprised Ultium EVs don't have plug and charge on the Superchargers, especially since it took so long to gain access. I know that one issue GM has had is with CPOs demanding too much access to GM's IP and customer information. I wonder whether that is tied to their reluctance to activate plug and charge despite Ultium supporting ISO 15118.
It is rather bizarre, doesn’t seem to be an issue for Ford. Hope for GM drivers the added functionality comes soon!
It surprised me as well. I was fully anticipating it working like EV Connect. Maybe a a l8tr time though. I am sure all these matters will be ironed out. Thx for watching.
Ive been unauthorized for months have had my AtoZ since march. Cant wait to try. I was just excited for him.
see? U know the feeling of it finally going green. I almost pee'ed myself. Stay safe out there.
I have an A2Z adapter as well. Hoping it will work with my 2017 Bolt, after I get the software update.
I ordered the adapter from the MyChevrolet app today for my Bolt EUV. The sale completed but it says the part is back ordered 🤷♂️ was great to see things work for you though
It was an exciting moment
Palatine said that with his whole chest!
He seemed to be candid in expressing his feelings, I agree
If anyone out there finds better videos to show in plain language exactly what you need for EV charging, especially for Caddy's/GM's, tell me. I'd like to argue with you! Kudos sir, I share your excitement! I will be ordering my adapter for my Lyriq soon!!!!
thx & enjoy. TesSC makes road trips a breeze.
Plug and charge protocol uses certificate exchange for authentication and is more secure then auto charge which matches the MAC address of the vehicle with the stored payment method. Some vehicles don’t have a fixed MAC address and can’t use auto charge. And nefarious tech savvy people can spoof the MAC address of a vehicle so it appears on the network and chargers as someone else’s vehicle. So don’t expect Tesla to ever support this method of charging.
15118 is more secure from an InfoSec view, but adds complexity due to PKI systems.
My Lectron Vortex had no clearance issues unplugging
sweet. No issue for us ether when using native CCS connectors. Maybe just a thing on A2Z & MD.
Nice video. You should let your videos know that with the Tesla membership, $12.99 for a month, you get significantly cheaper prices. So that .58 cents is .46 cents per kW for example. And if plan your charging a little bit, the .38 cents per kW becomes around .27 cents, and so forth. So if you're on a road trip, pay for it for that month. It usually pays for itself after 1 or 2 charges at the most.
Thanks, Elon and Tesla for saving EVs.
Welcome to the party! ⚡️🚗🔋
Love the reaction to it working 😂
Too many apps lol. Let the people charge! When you’ve been driving for the past few hours and you need to use the restroom, plug and charge/auto charge is magical ha.
boom baby!
truth. At EVgo, I adore plugging in and walking away.
I bought the gm adapter also as insurance policy
I may wait to see what Volvo offers. I hear we are next in line.
When you pulled nose in you were still occupying two Tesla stalls. You were filming from the stall that a Tesla vehicle would use to charge at that stall.
You could and should have used the last stall and thereby NOT occupied two. You should try and use the station on the end.
lol, i noticed that too. Lyriq, Mach-E, Bolt/Blazer/Equinox EVs, etc should use the furthest charger on the right. Walter ended up blocking a stall anyways.
I respectfully disagree. The two on the end are placed to accommodate non-Teslas.
There are two stalls on the end of this station to accommodate non-Teslas. I was using the first.
@@thenetworkarchitectchannel the case being made is if a Lyriq plugs into the charger furthest on the right, we maximize the flexibility of who can use the adjacent charger.
@@anthonyc8499 fair enough
Lyriqs and maybe other Ultium vehicles get the in-stock Tesla adapters while Bolt owners have to get backordered Lectrons (VIN locked) Thanks, GM .
Eeks. That stinks. Didn't know that was a thing. Mad respect for Bolt owners. Leaf too. OG of the EV community.
Was that Elon Musk shooting electric at GM! Hahaha ⚡️ for all non Teslas. I also own a 2020 Bolt EV Premiere with 14,000 miles, but I just use it for city driving.
it can be whoever you wish it to be. ;-} Stay safe/
Wow, 0.61 cents is too high... I agree, but that is what you tell us that GM. EVGO ect is charging. If traveling, buy the subscription for the month and get the lower cost. I'm on my 3rd brand new Tesla, so I have helped build the superchargers. I have a Cybertruck planed for 2025. I also have the CCS1 to Tesla Adapter and have used CCS1 charges a few times. Can you imagine paying $129.00 to charge a Hummer or large battery pack Silverado EV. I guess that is stll less than gas at the range. Great job and very good video with the two guys on the Lucid trip.😊
thank you for the kinds words. Stay safe. Enjoy the CT. I hear it is a sweet ride.
Please note that with the Tesla membership, $12.99 for a month, you get significantly cheaper prices. So that .61 cents is .48 cents per kW for example. And if plan your charging a little bit, the .38 cents per kW becomes around .27 cents, and so forth. So if you're on a road trip, pay for it for that month. It usually pays for itself after 1 or 2 charges at the most.
Charging cover door pops off easily? If this were a Tesla it’d be front page news.
I believe the Chevy Bolt needs a software update to use the super chargers.
I understand with some, that is correct. I think it depends on the model year though, but don't quote me on that.
Tesla supercharger rates are 35% less those for non members. Average price at superchargers for non-members is $0.51, same price as average DCFC.
I think EVgo member rates are less. I charge pretty cheep with my PlusMax.
Walter, congratulations on access to SC! Is there any impact on your charging curve when compared to CCS chargers - I know the Equinox EV’s have been having strange charging curves on CCS charges.
Thx! I will be doing subsequent videos on the charging electronics in the LYRIQ at TesSC. This video was just the flash in the pan.
Walter, nice video and beautiful car. What is your expected maximum charge rate with the v3 SC's? I have my Lectron adapter and anxiously awaiting news from MB so I can charge my EQS on the Tesla Surpercharging network.
I'm thinking 125 kW. For me it is a second choice at best. We have many lower cost options with better amenities.
Has GM updated their route planning to include the allowed Tesla SCs? Did they release an ota update to your vehicle yet?
Must be nice to have a Tesla Supercharger site every 20-30 miles available to you. Here in the middle of the country, in Oklahoma, there is only ONE Supercharger site in the entire western half of the state, on I-40 at Weatherford. And of course, this Supercharger is only a V2, so it cannot be upgraded with Magic Dock or use by non-Tesla vehicles. It is 265 miles north to the next one located on I-70 at Hays, Kansas. Or 120 miles south to the next one on US 287 in Texas. We are going to take a trip from Woodward, OK up to Dodge City, KS this weekend, 114 miles. There is no way we can take our EV on this weekend jaunt because there is no place to charge in western Kansas except along I-70 way up north. This same situation exists up and down the middle of the country, as Supercharger sites are ONLY located along Interstates, with not a one located on a US or State highway of any kind.
Dang, so strange TesSC team let a void like that exist for so long. They are normally pretty good about filling in the gaps. Hopefully things will change there soon. maybe a NEVI station or two. Stay safe.
The mychevy app seemed to imply out would autocorrect. I don't have an adapter to test it with yet though
Sounds like GM will have a ramp to tap a src. Hopefully it wont be a long wait. Stay safe.
You're still taking up two spots with the pedestals on pavement level. I think those are there for ADA compliance, not to help non-Tesla drivers, perhaps? The V4 dispenser is the solution for non-Teslas, IMHO.
Would like to know if the Acura ZDX and Honda Prologue would work as well since it is the same battery pack.
Yes, but I am unsure when they will be given access.
Does anyone have info on when GM will put native NACS recepticals in their vehicles?
2025 at last mention. Promises have not really been kept though in this arena.
With other companies installing EV charging stations, it can't come soon emough that Tesla stations will be a non-factor. I for one will not buy an EV until more non-Tesla staions come online I wouldn't give one dime to that horrible company. Many people I know feel the same way.
Your feelings are valid.
If you have the room, how about if Tesla installed the superchargers in every other parking space? Wouldn't help for people towing but for every one else does it work?
idea worth vetting. I know they are working on an extension cable too for v3 stalls. On v7, not really an issue since the cable is longer. Thx for watching & taking the time to share.
In Michigan there are tesla super chargers but they are V2 chargers I believe and I don't think you can charge on them. Can anyone elaborate?
So around me there isn't any I can charge on. But I don't really need to because other companies are putting in decent fast chargers.
The Tesla web site has a section called NACS that shows all their Superchargers that are avail to non-Teslas.
Do you get 200kw fast charge?
I did not. This visit was not about the charging speed though. I intend to do subsequent site visit videos where they are scored where I also include charging speeds in more detail. This vid was for a different purpose. Hope you understand. Stay safe.
Is GM reciprocal to Tesla owners at their charge sites?
No. We are all paying customers.
@@thenetworkarchitectchannel Sorry, I wasn’t clear with my question. Can Tesla owners charge at GM charging sites? Sorry for the confusion.
Do you know if all 250kw Tesla chargers work with Lyric?
The ones that Tesla has upgraded to CCS communication as it apparently requires a module upgrade. It’s not all of them yet that have been upgraded.
Tesla operates the NACS web site where it is easy to see which stations are available. I do know not all 250 kWs will be open. Only most.
What was your peak speed?
78kW
How fast was it charging?
78 kW
Everybody needs to move their charge ports from the driver's front to the passenger's front.
My Volvo has it rocking in the Driver's back, so will be super easy to fit into TesSC when their time comes.
Oh I hope I don't need the Volvo app to use this since Hertz didn't give me every registered key and that lost key is required.
This is an inferior network. I will take gas stations (PFJ, TA, Love's, Circle K, etc) over this setup every time. But "don't park in this stall' lol f that. PFJ > tesla/ea/evgo. Charging in random parking lots will never attract mass adoption. Happy for you and others who were patiently waiting.
Thx. I too favor c-store builds to TesSC. For me being a customer of the property owner is a big perk, plus the attached amenities