Lazy to wear. Not lazy to make. Thanks for showing your struggle, sewing around curves is always harder, it’s honestly the only time I wish I was straight up and down 😂
The main problem with this design is that because it wraps around instead of laces, there’s no defined point of tension in the underbust and because its cut on the bias, this design only really works well for those who already have a well defined difference between the bust and underbust
For some reason I gleefully shouted "Rebecca representing in the house". "Plus size" women rarely see truly larger women embracing their size by addressing openly the fit issues we have. Thank you.
First, I so admire your perseverance and honesty! If you are open to a suggestion--and if not, that's cool; the internet always thinks it knows best and is almost always wrong--may I suggest trying the trick where you *place* your girls in the stays before the final tie? I'm thinking of that "bend over and wiggle them in" thing that bra specialists recommend. Again, GO YOU for all the things!
I've considered making my own short stays, a friend of mine suggested finding a cheap balconette bra where the cups fit (i wear a 48 A cup so I need smaller gussets on a wider base)to help make the patter to make the bust fit better
Nice! Yes, I think when I make the "real" version I will move the gussets a little closer to the center. I plan on giving the Rethreaded short stays a go at some point too.
I just can't get the redthreaded ones to fit, possibly because there is an 11" difference between my underbust and my overbust measurements. Someone suggested I try recutting the pattern with the U type shape of a bra that fits and then making gathered fabric cups/gussets to fit in the space. She had done this and it worked well but you do need to have some idea on redrafting and altering patterns. I'm going to try this out and see if it works and if it does I'll try making a set of the lazy stays using the same method. (and I know all about stomach bigger than bust problems as well). I also find the problem with the redthreaded pattern is the amount of boning it asks you to put in, I don't like boning - one reason I don't like underwired bras but at my size they aren't optional - and by the time I added everything they wanted (and I didn't use the steel boning either as that seemed much too confining) it still felt uncomfortable. Hopefully I can simply use tight underbust lacing to provide the support I need but I need to experiment further first.
@ABC1701A I too can not stand underwire. If you are in the US, try a trip to Torrid. They cater to plus size and all my bras are now from there and I don't own a single underwire now.
I think it's very pretty! I've been watching Mariah Pattie experiment with 18th century stays, and one of her tricks is to basically make padding for under the bust, little crescents stuffed with cabbage scraps to keep her bust from migrating. I wonder if something like that could add support for your pretty stays.
I've used shoulder pads to push up my small but wide east to west bust in a pair of stays or they won't stay up and in. It helps! Padding was totally historical
I think this style of stays would benefit greatly from an additional set of ties that wrap around at underbust level. I admire your persistence in making them work!
I was thinking this too! My bust always looks better with some stiff cord or wider sports bra bands underneath. Another pair of lazy stays i saw someone make on TH-cam had wrap around straps that went under the bust and lifted them
I have a big bust, and I can SO relate to the “I just hoped it would fit by magic...” I am struggling with the exact same set of stays. Thank you for sharing your frustrations, and your rethinking. It really helps to see someone else go through this camel’s keyhole! PS. Your end fit was amazing! Congratulations!
Great job! I do have one suggestion for your center boning/busk issue. I’m about your size and pretty apple shaped as well and what I have found is that using 1/2 inch flat steel for the center and bending it to fit the shape of my tummy works great! You can put in two side by side and even stack them if needed to give extra strength but you can bend them to form to your exact shape, it might work for you like it’s worked for me!
Thank you for the video. I had already seen the other 2 vids before finding yours. With you showing how to draft the pattern up to scale has really helped me understand how to do it and not be over whelmed with it. I have seen several posts with the bust buddies (as i call them) the crescent shaped padding. I think it will help me as my girls lost the fight with gravity years ago. I'm also going to add boning to the side but angled towards the front. Will experiment with that. I'm plus sized and a wheelchair user so this vid has been doubly helpful. Was beginning to loose hope of getting historical stays/corsets to be comfortable.
@@PocketFullofPoseys Did forget to ask. How long are your shorter lazy stays at the front? I'm still struggling with the fit and thinking of going cup route with the crescents like in the transitional stays you made. Did think about that pattern but being a 34 in patterns it really wouldnt work.
Marika from Enchanted Rose Costumes made regency stays with but cups over gussets. Perhaps something like that could help you with the fitting issues. Make the body work and then do the cups to fit. Interestingly enough, that video was a suggested video after yours! Thank you for being an inspiration and showing us a great example about not giving up
The final product in this is absolutely glorious ❤❤❤❤❤. For those plus size girlies that struggle like me with fit and are even lazier than our dear Emily let me clue you in to a hot secret I have used. For context I am a US 16 but have been a 24W and cups are O or UK 🇬🇧 size 36K bust. For myself I take an older bra and recycle the cups and make an inner pocket for lift and separation. You can save time on the front portion of the lazy stays in this way. I had to make my own nursing bras so this wrap around style was so much more comfortable and practical while pregnant and post delivery. I have not tried adding boning in my application but coming across this video I will try it for a bra option under some dresses 👗 I have. For myself the final shape of a corset is to push the ladies closer to the body and upwards much like high compression sports bras but with the top 1/3 of the décolletage (sp?) showing. I can’t wait to try making a new lazy bra version with boning to smooth the sides more I think it looks very nice 👍.
I tried making a pair of short stays myself, but ended up putting them in the too hard basket over a year ago. Glad to know I was not the only one struggling with fitting the gussets and you've given me some ideas!
Ive been eyeing this pattern for a while, Im so glad you shared your experience with it. Im considering doing them corded, I think that might help provide additional support. And I agree with another poster that suggested crescent pads. My research has shown they were so commonly used, that it was one of the accepted pieces of information that people didnt bother noting in patterns.
I felt that moment of sheer frustration, gave me some flash backs to my own experience making my first corset this past winter. Truly amazing to see the difference those final bits of boning and the draw strings made to the final fit. Sometimes we just need to put our projects on a time out to think about what they've done 😉
Thank you so much. I have wanted to try these for ages, but being plus sized thought it was not possible. You have given me so much confidence to have a go.
Thank you for sharing and persisting! You gave the problem so much thought. I'm guessing this problem crept into your thoughts often. Wherever you work they must honor your problem solving skills.
Thank you very much for chosing the Utrecht Stays Pattern. Wonderful video tutorial! I love that you haven't given up and finally found a comfortable fit. These were indeed originally intended for casual wear in the morning or on a travel etc.. Comfort (by adjustments to the unique body shape/size) was the major intention of patterns/stays like these and those from J.S.Bernhardt's books. For my ongoing studies it's always helpful to get feedback and see how these work on different shapes!
Thank you as always for being so real with your videos. I have been struggling with a vest lately - and feeling defeated by my body. Your perseverance and candor are a huge pick-me-up for me when I'm sewing. Thank you thank you thank you
The end product looks so good on you. I also made this corset and used a wooden busk. My belly is rather round but not quite larger than my bust and I also have the issue with the busk not sitting flat to my sternum. I thought maybe having stays that lace would fix that but after your comment it might just be the configuration of my proportions
Thank you! I think a curved busk may work better than a flat busk. I just ordered one from Redthreaded and plan on trying it when I make an 1830's corset.
I love the idea of the Lazy stays and now I'm wondering if there were more of these that existed as fashion changed and corsets went through each new look.oooh if they had a lazy stay for victorian era that would be grand.
Thank you for showing us your frustration! I'm kind of a pear shape and still have trouble fitting stuff. I did try the La Mode Bagatelle Regency Wardrobe pattern packet and their bodiced petticoat wasn't so bad since all you have to worry about is from your shoulders to the underbust. The only thing is you get no support below that which means those of us with jelly bellies jiggle all the time LOL
Hi , just want to let you know how much I enjoyed watching you , you are so brave and so you know we all have to adjust and readjust patterns over and over again to fit well regardless the size, kind regards to you from Holland
You are perfectly wonderful! I love your honesty and tenacity! I have thought about giving these a try to hold up the 'girls' and I may do that as I think you are onto something. Many thanks again for posting :)
oh, my gosh. Thank you for doing this. lol I've been eyeing these stays for myself as well - though putting it off because I am NOT experienced in sewing enough to tackle these. But I can only imagine what would happen if I went to make these and they didn't work. Also plus-sized here, so, yeah. But I can see I'd have to fiddle with them a lot to get them to fit me properly. I think maybe I'll put them off until I get more experience. I have been thinking of them more for a bra-alternative, as opposed to 'costuming', so - yeah. They can wait. -.-
Lovely! The stays turned out beautifully (I adore the seashell fabric!😁) also SO encouraging, when hitting a wall in a project it's a perfectly appropriate option to take a break for awhile & come back fresh & not frazzled!😄 You attained victory in the end, huzzah & Congratulations!👏 I enjoy your videos every time 😊
I loved this, being a plus size woman myself. Your perseverance was remarkable and you have inspired me to try this as well. I can't use lacing either because of two shoulder injuries. Congratulations on your success. It gave me hope!!
Thanks for showing your process! I share the struggle of having a fat body and feeling like I need an engineering degree to get clothes to fit well. It's a big reason I got into historical clothing, as i feel much more in control over it compared to modern clothing, if that makes sense, and mainly it gives me more options for the bust support I desperately need.
Hercules is the cutest angel!!!! Tysm for sharing your struggles, it’s so helpful. I’m not plus size but I’m a 32G so that causes fit issues. I’ve realised modern bras will never work because on me the band doesn’t go across the sternum but just below, over my diaphragm, which makes breathing properly difficult. And if I make the band tight enough to actually support me it cuts in, instead I try to evenly distribute the misery between the band and the straps so I only get red marks 🙃 I’m hoping a corset might distribute the pressure across more places and make things better!
I wasnt sure these would work for the more padded/chesty. I think the back edge is likely to stretch on the bias. Maybe with stay-tape along those 2 edges.
That could help, probably. Yeah, I think they will need additional boning or cording to work for very full busts. Mine aren't that large, but they tend to migrate towards my armpits.
You are a gloriously bold example that I will aspire to follow! Thanks for including all the fitting struggles. I feel like being able to watch you go thru this process has saved me so much fitting frustration. Usually I expect the initial version of any new pattern to be beyond awful, and mental torture to get through... Now I feel like I'll get to skip the Seventh Level of Fitting Hell because you so generously shared all your pain! ...Like, I might get to jump directly ahead to only the 4th level of Fitting Hell? LOL. And now I kinda have a map, because I got to watch you think it through! Thanks for being a great inspiration!
I love the seashell fabric! And it turned out well. Your persistence is admirable! I also have the problem with things not sitting flat to my chest in the center, which I think is partly because mine are super close together. Also it’s good to see the adjustments you have to make because you’re the closest to my shape out of the costubers that I know of. I have a plan for making a historybounding corset based off of an 1860s one, but that’s going to need a loooooot of fit adjustments. For one thing, I need to add 20” to the waist to start... I feel lucky that I’m still flexible enough to tighten corset lacing on myself (though making sure the edges are straight is a challenge...)
This is wonderful! Will definitely help me in my short stays/sports bra project. B/c it's not going for historical accuracy, I raised the top of my current model a bit higher and made the gussets oval instead of pizza slices so I get a little upper-level security without the bulk of the drawstring.
Well done for your perseverance ! I would like thank you for giving me confidence to make my own Freya now christened Jaqcleen. It took over a week (I work nights shift) but the effort was worth it. She now has been put to work. Once again thank you. Fiona in New Zealand
Thank you for this.. Lazy stays are on my I would like to sew list but I'm terrified of scaling patterns and have never made a pair of stays before. Seeing you make a pair and talk us through it makes me feel like maybe I could do it.
@@MonaSkovJensen It's mostly healed. I can't wear shoes that are tight across the toes for very long, but have been able to wear shoes with small wedge heels. 👍
Hi Rebecca. Loved this video and thank you for showing the struggle of not fitting the "regular" proportions. My struggle is that my waist measurement is exactly the same as my hip measurement. This is allsow why I never wear jeans they just slip right of me (all most). I have only made regency stays at this point because I can't find anything about padding out the hip gossets in a stays or corset.
I know hip pads are used with Edwardian corsets. I'm making one in the next couple of months with Black Snail Patterns Edwardian Corset pattern. I don't see why the same type of tie on thing couldn't be used with other corsets. You'd just have to make the gussets large enough to accommodate.
I am a hefty girl and I completely understand your frustration with fittings but you inspire me that we can still make anything...plus thank you for that math scale this will help me create my lazy stays
1: looks amazing as just an experiment. 2: because of body shape there is a definite need to add support to it, and saying as such 3 gussets instead of 2 to the top. The busk instead of corset boning the paint stick busk looks amazing and will add definition to the shaping. I did notice though all the issues with your shoulder straps. I am thinking of adjusting the back of them so they sit to the inside of the shoulder blades instead of the outside of them. 47-48D bust is what I'm going to be working with. but thank you so much for explaining the math because i will be watching this again to get the formulation for sizing. Thank you
Your size, more bust, and looking for a pattern, this was a GREAT video to see what might nog work, and what might work. Not quite ready to start experimenting...
It may have been easier to use cm/mm instead of inches for your measurements - no fractions. Thank you for the all the details. I want to make a "Regency" dress for an event but didn't know what to wear under it to keep the correct line. I think I can do it now.
I’ve made an attempt at these stays a while back and couldn’t make them work until I increased the depth of the slits for the gores, I think this applies for everyone that doesn’t have a very small chest
Thank you so much for this. I get a "Permission denied" message on the kleidungum1800 website so I can't get the pattern. You showing it and walking through the sizing is super helpful. I don't have anyone to help me get dressed, so this pattern's been really interesting. Thanks also for showing your process getting it to work.
I think the biggest problem with the stays are the bust gussets are too high but Thank you 26:09 for showing how hard it is for plus sizes to fit in this,world of fashion
I used this blog as a guide: mistress-of-disguise.blogspot.com/2014/03/how-to-draft-regency-short-stays.html?m=1#:~:text=Step%2010%20%2D%20Subtract%20your%20underbust,the%20top%20of%20your%20line.
Hi, one time I got a strapless bra for my daughter's cosplay and it was basically like the stays what they did was an under wire and a bone coming down to support the bust, don't know if that would help,I'm going to try making this pattern for me but it know it won't be as beautiful as yours.💖
Still don't like the sea shell fabric, but the final stays look great. I really would like some lazy stays, but I can't bother to learn sewing x) What Sense and Sensibility version were you watching?
Gotta use up the rest of the stash! I bought 10 yards of that fabric and it's 110 inches wide, I think. But, not much left now, so you won't have to endure any more seashell projects. 😆 I was watching the movie with Emma Thompson and Kate Winslet.
I wondered if the bust pieces needed to be spaced further apart? like the underbust measurement was a little narrow? and then you might not need two gussets? hmm, geometry.
I love your attitude of not giving up. To me it looks like it's to short in the bust and flattening you. You need to find your bust apex, measure down from the apex to the bottom of your breast. Do this while wearing a bra that supports your bust at the height you want it to be. I love this stay pattern and your shell fabric is awesome. Great video. At the end I thought Thor was about to knock over the camera. You just never know what our pets will do. On to the next project.❤🙂
Throughout the video I just wanted to shout "You need bigger gussets". For you they need to start lower and go wider. The tip of the V shape needs to start under your bust. The "cups" are not big enough, not wide enough to and don't start low enough for your body. Just scaling up would not work because your body needs more room for your fullness. The sports bra effect is because of that - it squeezes you rather that give you support. Please try again :) I would love to see you in stays that actually fit you! Because it's the pattern that doesn't fit your body, and the pattern can be adjusted. The struggle is real. Keep up the good work :)
Thanks! I'm definitely going to give Regency short stays another go at some point. I just finished 18th Century Augusta Stays and they fit really nicely. No gussets in them! 😆
Interesting theory! I took notes! I have to make a new pattern about 3 or 4 times -- multiple iterations of correction attempts -- before I come close to nailing a version that works for my body. This video was so helpful re this, and I think your idea will help too. Never made any corsetry before, but now I am feeling inspired and empowered!
CENTIMETERS FOR THE WIN! Sorry for crashing, but I feel like this incredibly easily divisible measuring system deserves obnoxious amounts of shameless promotion... because I suck at math
Anymore, I use cm for most of my sewing projects because I too, dislike fractions and rounding up a cm is less problematic than rounding up an inch. Switching to cm has made my sewing life better. :)
I'm unsure of what you are saying. Perhaps it didn't translate correctly? I based these Regency stays on a pattern from the early 1800's. If you are suggesting that I copy a well fitting bra that I already own, I did not consider that because the fit of modern bras is not the same as Regency stays. I wanted these stays to be as historically accurate as possible and these were also a first try to work out fit issues. Thank you for your comment!
While I realize this video is 2 years old, and my comment is not necessary, I wondered if making the straps that go around to the front much wider would allow it to be tied/buckled/somehow fastened in a way to hold as underbust support. That probably would make it NOT be the “lazy corset” pattern you were trying to recreate, but wouldn’t be a bad idea for actual use going forward. Like dividing the wide tie into 2 at the front so the top part would tie up under the bust as bust support and the bottom on the actual belly to keep it in place on the waistline. I have no way to draw that out in a comment, but imagine a thick U on its side with long tails at the end of the tie.
Your comment is totally necessary! I was wanting to recreate these so I can do a regency recreation dress without having to lace/make stays and this insight is very helpful 😅
I'm disappointed that we didn't get to see Thor! The problem you're running into is that your torso is narrow at the shoulders and widens toward the waist, and you're working with shapes that assume the opposite. That's why it ends up too large through the chest and the shoulder straps aren't working. You could probably flip the back upside down so the bottom edge becomes the shoulder strap and vice versa. For the front, you'll need to redraft it so the bottom edge flares out to accommodate your belly without widening the chest and shoulders.
@@PocketFullofPoseys I've drafted patterns for a couple of friends who are shaped similarly to you, and I've been playing with this style of stays for a customer. They're a really cool design, so I hope you're able to get them fitting well. Shortening the busk for more center front flexibility was a clever idea, I hope you don't mind if I borrow it.
I love how honest you are about your struggles! Belly problems are the worst.
Thank you! It's definitely challenging for fitting.
Lazy to wear. Not lazy to make. Thanks for showing your struggle, sewing around curves is always harder, it’s honestly the only time I wish I was straight up and down 😂
Exactly! ♥️
They tried to defeat you, but you persevered and won, beautifully!
Yay! Thank you!
The main problem with this design is that because it wraps around instead of laces, there’s no defined point of tension in the underbust and because its cut on the bias, this design only really works well for those who already have a well defined difference between the bust and underbust
For "lazy stays" that seemed like a lot of work! Ha ha ha! They turned out great!
Definitely. But once you get your pattern figured out they are easy. 😆
For some reason I gleefully shouted "Rebecca representing in the house". "Plus size" women rarely see truly larger women embracing their size by addressing openly the fit issues we have. Thank you.
Happy to represent! ♥️
First, I so admire your perseverance and honesty!
If you are open to a suggestion--and if not, that's cool; the internet always thinks it knows best and is almost always wrong--may I suggest trying the trick where you *place* your girls in the stays before the final tie? I'm thinking of that "bend over and wiggle them in" thing that bra specialists recommend.
Again, GO YOU for all the things!
I've considered making my own short stays, a friend of mine suggested finding a cheap balconette bra where the cups fit (i wear a 48 A cup so I need smaller gussets on a wider base)to help make the patter to make the bust fit better
Good suggestion!
I'm glad to see the shell fabric is back
Nice! Yes, I think when I make the "real" version I will move the gussets a little closer to the center. I plan on giving the Rethreaded short stays a go at some point too.
I just can't get the redthreaded ones to fit, possibly because there is an 11" difference between my underbust and my overbust measurements. Someone suggested I try recutting the pattern with the U type shape of a bra that fits and then making gathered fabric cups/gussets to fit in the space. She had done this and it worked well but you do need to have some idea on redrafting and altering patterns. I'm going to try this out and see if it works and if it does I'll try making a set of the lazy stays using the same method. (and I know all about stomach bigger than bust problems as well). I also find the problem with the redthreaded pattern is the amount of boning it asks you to put in, I don't like boning - one reason I don't like underwired bras but at my size they aren't optional - and by the time I added everything they wanted (and I didn't use the steel boning either as that seemed much too confining) it still felt uncomfortable. Hopefully I can simply use tight underbust lacing to provide the support I need but I need to experiment further first.
@ABC1701A I too can not stand underwire. If you are in the US, try a trip to Torrid. They cater to plus size and all my bras are now from there and I don't own a single underwire now.
I think it's very pretty! I've been watching Mariah Pattie experiment with 18th century stays, and one of her tricks is to basically make padding for under the bust, little crescents stuffed with cabbage scraps to keep her bust from migrating. I wonder if something like that could add support for your pretty stays.
I have considered that! I may try it out.
I've used shoulder pads to push up my small but wide east to west bust in a pair of stays or they won't stay up and in. It helps! Padding was totally historical
I think this style of stays would benefit greatly from an additional set of ties that wrap around at underbust level. I admire your persistence in making them work!
That could work!
I was thinking this too! My bust always looks better with some stiff cord or wider sports bra bands underneath. Another pair of lazy stays i saw someone make on TH-cam had wrap around straps that went under the bust and lifted them
The back fits you really well - the v shape of the back neckline. Genius idea to shorten them.
Thank you! I'm pleased with the fit.
You have given me courage to make my ovn stays, having same problem areas, thanx a lot
I'm so glad! ♥️
I have a big bust, and I can SO relate to the “I just hoped it would fit by magic...” I am struggling with the exact same set of stays. Thank you for sharing your frustrations, and your rethinking. It really helps to see someone else go through this camel’s keyhole!
PS. Your end fit was amazing! Congratulations!
Thank you! As frustrating as it can be, it's very rewarding to get a good fit finally.
Love the music
Love the pattern
Love your joy!
Thank you!
So glad! Thank you!
Great job! I do have one suggestion for your center boning/busk issue. I’m about your size and pretty apple shaped as well and what I have found is that using 1/2 inch flat steel for the center and bending it to fit the shape of my tummy works great! You can put in two side by side and even stack them if needed to give extra strength but you can bend them to form to your exact shape, it might work for you like it’s worked for me!
Great tip! Thanks!
This is brilliant!
Thank you for the video. I had already seen the other 2 vids before finding yours. With you showing how to draft the pattern up to scale has really helped me understand how to do it and not be over whelmed with it.
I have seen several posts with the bust buddies (as i call them) the crescent shaped padding. I think it will help me as my girls lost the fight with gravity years ago. I'm also going to add boning to the side but angled towards the front. Will experiment with that.
I'm plus sized and a wheelchair user so this vid has been doubly helpful. Was beginning to loose hope of getting historical stays/corsets to be comfortable.
I'm so glad it was helpful to you! Best of luck with your stays!
@@PocketFullofPoseys Thank you. I'm going to need it.
@@PocketFullofPoseys Did forget to ask. How long are your shorter lazy stays at the front? I'm still struggling with the fit and thinking of going cup route with the crescents like in the transitional stays you made. Did think about that pattern but being a 34 in patterns it really wouldnt work.
@@nanettebromley8843 They're about 4-5 inches lower than my underbust.
@@PocketFullofPoseys Thank you. I'll try that before trying the cup idea as I don't have the 1st clue on how to create that.
Marika from Enchanted Rose Costumes made regency stays with but cups over gussets. Perhaps something like that could help you with the fitting issues. Make the body work and then do the cups to fit. Interestingly enough, that video was a suggested video after yours!
Thank you for being an inspiration and showing us a great example about not giving up
I am definitely interested in that style of stays. Thank you!
The final product in this is absolutely glorious ❤❤❤❤❤. For those plus size girlies that struggle like me with fit and are even lazier than our dear Emily let me clue you in to a hot secret I have used. For context I am a US 16 but have been a 24W and cups are O or UK 🇬🇧 size 36K bust. For myself I take an older bra and recycle the cups and make an inner pocket for lift and separation. You can save time on the front portion of the lazy stays in this way. I had to make my own nursing bras so this wrap around style was so much more comfortable and practical while pregnant and post delivery. I have not tried adding boning in my application but coming across this video I will try it for a bra option under some dresses 👗 I have. For myself the final shape of a corset is to push the ladies closer to the body and upwards much like high compression sports bras but with the top 1/3 of the décolletage (sp?) showing. I can’t wait to try making a new lazy bra version with boning to smooth the sides more I think it looks very nice 👍.
YAY!!!! I want to make one of these and I'm SO glad you did this!
Oh jeez this wasn't easy! Love the emotional support doggo.
It wasn't easy to get them supportive enough for me, but the sewing part is easy! 🐶
I tried making a pair of short stays myself, but ended up putting them in the too hard basket over a year ago. Glad to know I was not the only one struggling with fitting the gussets and you've given me some ideas!
I'm glad! Fit issues are always frustrating.
❤️Too Hard Basket ❤️..........I feel seen ☺️
Ive been eyeing this pattern for a while, Im so glad you shared your experience with it. Im considering doing them corded, I think that might help provide additional support. And I agree with another poster that suggested crescent pads. My research has shown they were so commonly used, that it was one of the accepted pieces of information that people didnt bother noting in patterns.
Glad you found the video useful! I agree that cording would probably provide nice support and crescent pads would be a good addition.
I felt that moment of sheer frustration, gave me some flash backs to my own experience making my first corset this past winter.
Truly amazing to see the difference those final bits of boning and the draw strings made to the final fit. Sometimes we just need to put our projects on a time out to think about what they've done 😉
Yes! It's good to take a break sometimes and put projects away. I do this with difficult music sometimes too.
Thank you so much. I have wanted to try these for ages, but being plus sized thought it was not possible. You have given me so much confidence to have a go.
Yay! It was a struggle, but I'm happy with the end result!
I'm so glad you stuck to it. I loved your hair down as well.
Thank you!
Thank you. My belly pokes out as well. I love that you used modern fun fabric. I keep coming across fabric I think would make cute stays.
You are so welcome!
Thank you for sharing and persisting! You gave the problem so much thought. I'm guessing this problem crept into your thoughts often. Wherever you work they must honor your problem solving skills.
Thank you!
Thank you very much for chosing the Utrecht Stays Pattern. Wonderful video tutorial! I love that you haven't given up and finally found a comfortable fit. These were indeed originally intended for casual wear in the morning or on a travel etc.. Comfort (by adjustments to the unique body shape/size) was the major intention of patterns/stays like these and those from J.S.Bernhardt's books. For my ongoing studies it's always helpful to get feedback and see how these work on different shapes!
Thank you so much for providing the pattern and blog! I really learned a lot and I appreciate all of your research. ♥️
How do I get the pattern? When I click on the link I get this error, This blog is open to invited readers only.
@@jscogdell The owner of the blog may have changed access, I'm not sure.
@@jscogdell My blog is currently offline due to technical problems, I hope to be back online by the weekend!
Thank you as always for being so real with your videos. I have been struggling with a vest lately - and feeling defeated by my body. Your perseverance and candor are a huge pick-me-up for me when I'm sewing. Thank you thank you thank you
I'm so happy you found it helpful! Not sure if it's perseverance or just plain stubbornness, but I'm glad to be helpful! ♥️
The end product looks so good on you. I also made this corset and used a wooden busk. My belly is rather round but not quite larger than my bust and I also have the issue with the busk not sitting flat to my sternum. I thought maybe having stays that lace would fix that but after your comment it might just be the configuration of my proportions
Thank you! I think a curved busk may work better than a flat busk. I just ordered one from Redthreaded and plan on trying it when I make an 1830's corset.
YAY! You did it! Just goes to show, perseverance pays off. Good job. 👏 👏👏👏
Thank you!
I love the idea of the Lazy stays and now I'm wondering if there were more of these that existed as fashion changed and corsets went through each new look.oooh if they had a lazy stay for victorian era that would be grand.
I know there were more casual and athletic corsets in the Victorian era.
Thank you for showing us your frustration! I'm kind of a pear shape and still have trouble fitting stuff. I did try the La Mode Bagatelle Regency Wardrobe pattern packet and their bodiced petticoat wasn't so bad since all you have to worry about is from your shoulders to the underbust. The only thing is you get no support below that which means those of us with jelly bellies jiggle all the time LOL
Honestly, patterns rarely fit anyone perfectly. I've only made a couple of things that didn't require any adjustments.
I love your tenacity and your sense of humor.
Thank you!
Thank you for being so honest about the trial and error stage. I’m also an unconventional size - and it’s just not easy!
Just saw I’ve already written a comment, a year ago. I guess one of my ‘fitting’ issues is Procrastination? 🤣
Hi , just want to let you know how much I enjoyed watching you , you are so brave and so you know we all have to adjust and readjust patterns over and over again to fit well regardless the size, kind regards to you from Holland
You are perfectly wonderful! I love your honesty and tenacity! I have thought about giving these a try to hold up the 'girls' and I may do that as I think you are onto something. Many thanks again for posting :)
I'm glad you found it helpful! Good luck with yours!
Girl, you're looking especially gorgeous in this intro!
Thank you! ♥️
@@PocketFullofPoseys 😊
I just wanted to crawl through the screen and re-draft that pattern on you, for you. Crazy how hard working with curves for curves is. Great job.
Thank you! I would have loved that!
oh, my gosh. Thank you for doing this. lol I've been eyeing these stays for myself as well - though putting it off because I am NOT experienced in sewing enough to tackle these. But I can only imagine what would happen if I went to make these and they didn't work. Also plus-sized here, so, yeah. But I can see I'd have to fiddle with them a lot to get them to fit me properly. I think maybe I'll put them off until I get more experience. I have been thinking of them more for a bra-alternative, as opposed to 'costuming', so - yeah. They can wait. -.-
It's always fine to put things off until you feel ready to tackle them. ♥️
What a nice cat, helping you with the math! ^-^
He is the most helpful. 😺
Just a beautiful video. Thank You. Such beauty in You. Your Smile would light up anyones day.
Thank you so much!
Lovely! The stays turned out beautifully (I adore the seashell fabric!😁) also SO encouraging, when hitting a wall in a project it's a perfectly appropriate option to take a break for awhile & come back fresh & not frazzled!😄 You attained victory in the end, huzzah & Congratulations!👏 I enjoy your videos every time 😊
Thank you! These definitely benefited from a time out.
That would make a great dessert summer blouse.
I loved this, being a plus size woman myself. Your perseverance was remarkable and you have inspired me to try this as well. I can't use lacing either because of two shoulder injuries. Congratulations on your success. It gave me hope!!
Thank you! I'm so glad you found it helpful!
Congratulations! The piece was very beautiful and it ended up serving perfectly!
Thanks for showing your process! I share the struggle of having a fat body and feeling like I need an engineering degree to get clothes to fit well. It's a big reason I got into historical clothing, as i feel much more in control over it compared to modern clothing, if that makes sense, and mainly it gives me more options for the bust support I desperately need.
Hercules is the cutest angel!!!! Tysm for sharing your struggles, it’s so helpful. I’m not plus size but I’m a 32G so that causes fit issues. I’ve realised modern bras will never work because on me the band doesn’t go across the sternum but just below, over my diaphragm, which makes breathing properly difficult. And if I make the band tight enough to actually support me it cuts in, instead I try to evenly distribute the misery between the band and the straps so I only get red marks 🙃 I’m hoping a corset might distribute the pressure across more places and make things better!
They're REALLY pretty! Thanks for doing this! As a busty gal I'm paying attention...:)
I wasnt sure these would work for the more padded/chesty. I think the back edge is likely to stretch on the bias. Maybe with stay-tape along those 2 edges.
That could help, probably. Yeah, I think they will need additional boning or cording to work for very full busts. Mine aren't that large, but they tend to migrate towards my armpits.
You are a gloriously bold example that I will aspire to follow!
Thanks for including all the fitting struggles. I feel like being able to watch you go thru this process has saved me so much fitting frustration. Usually I expect the initial version of any new pattern to be beyond awful, and mental torture to get through... Now I feel like I'll get to skip the Seventh Level of Fitting Hell because you so generously shared all your pain! ...Like, I might get to jump directly ahead to only the 4th level of Fitting Hell? LOL. And now I kinda have a map, because I got to watch you think it through!
Thanks for being a great inspiration!
I'm so happy you found it helpful! Good luck! ♥️
I love the seashell fabric! And it turned out well. Your persistence is admirable!
I also have the problem with things not sitting flat to my chest in the center, which I think is partly because mine are super close together.
Also it’s good to see the adjustments you have to make because you’re the closest to my shape out of the costubers that I know of. I have a plan for making a historybounding corset based off of an 1860s one, but that’s going to need a loooooot of fit adjustments. For one thing, I need to add 20” to the waist to start...
I feel lucky that I’m still flexible enough to tighten corset lacing on myself (though making sure the edges are straight is a challenge...)
Thank you! Good luck with your corset!
This is wonderful! Will definitely help me in my short stays/sports bra project. B/c it's not going for historical accuracy, I raised the top of my current model a bit higher and made the gussets oval instead of pizza slices so I get a little upper-level security without the bulk of the drawstring.
Well done for your perseverance ! I would like thank you for giving me confidence to make my own Freya now christened Jaqcleen. It took over a week (I work nights shift) but the effort was worth it. She now has been put to work. Once again thank you. Fiona in New Zealand
Excellent! I'm glad you were inspired!
I love them and they are very pretty😁. I might have to try them. You are an inspiration.
Thanks so much 😊 Give 'em a whirl!
Thank you for this.. Lazy stays are on my I would like to sew list but I'm terrified of scaling patterns and have never made a pair of stays before. Seeing you make a pair and talk us through it makes me feel like maybe I could do it.
Yay! You can do it!
Really flattering to your figure.
Yay for not giving up!!!! And I love that you used the sea shell fabric
🐶 Joan is my medium size adjustable dress form. I use her when I making things for my mom and sisters.
@@PocketFullofPoseys Ah that makes sense now :D
How is your toe/foot doing? Stil flat shoes?
@@MonaSkovJensen It's mostly healed. I can't wear shoes that are tight across the toes for very long, but have been able to wear shoes with small wedge heels. 👍
Hi Rebecca. Loved this video and thank you for showing the struggle of not fitting the "regular" proportions. My struggle is that my waist measurement is exactly the same as my hip measurement. This is allsow why I never wear jeans they just slip right of me (all most). I have only made regency stays at this point because I can't find anything about padding out the hip gossets in a stays or corset.
I know hip pads are used with Edwardian corsets. I'm making one in the next couple of months with Black Snail Patterns Edwardian Corset pattern. I don't see why the same type of tie on thing couldn't be used with other corsets. You'd just have to make the gussets large enough to accommodate.
I am a hefty girl and I completely understand your frustration with fittings but you inspire me that we can still make anything...plus thank you for that math scale this will help me create my lazy stays
Best of luck with yours!
You. Are. My. SUPER HERO!!!!!
Thank you!
Just really enjoyed this video. What a beautiful end piece --- the color and print is so very pretty. Gotta make me one
1: looks amazing as just an experiment. 2: because of body shape there is a definite need to add support to it, and saying as such 3 gussets instead of 2 to the top. The busk instead of corset boning the paint stick busk looks amazing and will add definition to the shaping. I did notice though all the issues with your shoulder straps. I am thinking of adjusting the back of them so they sit to the inside of the shoulder blades instead of the outside of them. 47-48D bust is what I'm going to be working with. but thank you so much for explaining the math because i will be watching this again to get the formulation for sizing. Thank you
Best of luck with your stays!
I so appreciate your sharing your struggles and perseverance! You have inspired me to try my hand at some stays.
Yay! Best of luck with your stays!
I really need to add these to my list. They look so good! Kudos for your perseverance. (And excellent movie choices!)
Thank you! I'm happy with the final result!
Pretty lady! Thank you for your expertise!
You're welcome! Thank you!
Your size, more bust, and looking for a pattern, this was a GREAT video to see what might nog work, and what might work. Not quite ready to start experimenting...
Best of luck when you get ready to start!
It may have been easier to use cm/mm instead of inches for your measurements - no fractions. Thank you for the all the details. I want to make a "Regency" dress for an event but didn't know what to wear under it to keep the correct line. I think I can do it now.
I’ve made an attempt at these stays a while back and couldn’t make them work until I increased the depth of the slits for the gores, I think this applies for everyone that doesn’t have a very small chest
As someone who is working on drafting a modern bra, your struggles are very familiar. XD
Good luck with your bra!
This was so interesting, thanks so much for this!
I'm glad you liked it!
I'm very impressed with your perseverance! I tend to drop things at the 1st sign of trouble xD And they turned out so cute!
Thank you! Perseverance, stubbornness...😆
You're fun to watch! Really enjoyed this video.
Thank you so much!
Thank you for the video and for the links! This is now on my list of thngs to sew, and close to the top :)
Yay!
I love your kitty pattern weight. I’ve just subscribed, and this is just what I needed!
@@elizabethsloan3192 Welcome! Thank you!
Thank you so much for this. I get a "Permission denied" message on the kleidungum1800 website so I can't get the pattern. You showing it and walking through the sizing is super helpful. I don't have anyone to help me get dressed, so this pattern's been really interesting. Thanks also for showing your process getting it to work.
Yes, I think the original blog has changed permissions. I'm glad the video is helpful!
have a regency sport bra sounds like a plan. they gave you so much trouble... but you won and they look great !
Thanks! I'm happy they worked out!
I think the biggest problem with the stays are the bust gussets are too high but Thank you 26:09 for showing how hard it is for plus sizes to fit in this,world of fashion
Yes. The bust gussets are definitely too high. ❤️
Hercules was helping. My black cats help too. X
So helpful! 😺
My cat enjoyed watching your cat ^_^
😺🐈
@@PocketFullofPoseys I'm also proud of you for figuring it out and continuing to work on the stays even when it got hard!
@@Silrielmavi Thank you!
Genius! You really did amazing!
Thank you!
How do you know how large to make the bust gusset?
I used this blog as a guide:
mistress-of-disguise.blogspot.com/2014/03/how-to-draft-regency-short-stays.html?m=1#:~:text=Step%2010%20%2D%20Subtract%20your%20underbust,the%20top%20of%20your%20line.
OMG> I love all this.
Hi, one time I got a strapless bra for my daughter's cosplay and it was basically like the stays what they did was an under wire and a bone coming down to support the bust, don't know if that would help,I'm going to try making this pattern for me but it know it won't be as beautiful as yours.💖
I did add a bone between the bust gussets, an additional one under each gusset could help too, probably.
Still don't like the sea shell fabric, but the final stays look great. I really would like some lazy stays, but I can't bother to learn sewing x)
What Sense and Sensibility version were you watching?
Gotta use up the rest of the stash! I bought 10 yards of that fabric and it's 110 inches wide, I think. But, not much left now, so you won't have to endure any more seashell projects. 😆 I was watching the movie with Emma Thompson and Kate Winslet.
I wondered if the bust pieces needed to be spaced further apart? like the underbust measurement was a little narrow? and then you might not need two gussets? hmm, geometry.
Geometry...That's definitely a possibility.
Is there such a thing as a between bust measurement? I'm pretty wide in that area.
I don't know, but there should be. I am wide there too. I should take that into consideration.
I wouldn’t widen the whole thing, just move the ‘cups’ over a bit. Of course I say this, but don’t know exactly how’s you do that
@@drhelenloney1426 You could definitely move the gusset slit over so it's not centered on each front piece.
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I don’t care about support, I care about comfort and coverage. thank you
I made this pattern as well, but my cheat was to use a copy machine and just keep enlarging it until I got to my bust measurement. Easy Peary cheat
That's some great out-of-the-box thinking there :)
I love your attitude of not giving up. To me it looks like it's to short in the bust and flattening you. You need to find your bust apex, measure down from the apex to the bottom of your breast. Do this while wearing a bra that supports your bust at the height you want it to be. I love this stay pattern and your shell fabric is awesome. Great video. At the end I thought Thor was about to knock over the camera. You just never know what our pets will do. On to the next project.❤🙂
Thanks! Good advice! Yes, Thor nearly knocked the camera over too. 🐶
Would cording be era appropriate & help with the support issues?
It would!
Me hearing math "blah blah inches number divide blah". I don't know how you work it out, but go you!
Same. I could barely get through it! 😆
Throughout the video I just wanted to shout "You need bigger gussets". For you they need to start lower and go wider. The tip of the V shape needs to start under your bust. The "cups" are not big enough, not wide enough to and don't start low enough for your body.
Just scaling up would not work because your body needs more room for your fullness. The sports bra effect is because of that - it squeezes you rather that give you support.
Please try again :)
I would love to see you in stays that actually fit you!
Because it's the pattern that doesn't fit your body, and the pattern can be adjusted. The struggle is real.
Keep up the good work :)
Thanks! I'm definitely going to give Regency short stays another go at some point. I just finished 18th Century Augusta Stays and they fit really nicely. No gussets in them! 😆
Interesting theory! I took notes!
I have to make a new pattern about 3 or 4 times -- multiple iterations of correction attempts -- before I come close to nailing a version that works for my body. This video was so helpful re this, and I think your idea will help too.
Never made any corsetry before, but now I am feeling inspired and empowered!
Am I allowed to suggest using centimetres? I know the numbers are even more horrible than they are in inches, but at least it all just divides by 10!
You can totally suggest using centimeters! I probably should have used them, but my brain is just used to inches, so it didn't even occur to me! 😆
CENTIMETERS FOR THE WIN!
Sorry for crashing, but I feel like this incredibly easily divisible measuring system deserves obnoxious amounts of shameless promotion... because I suck at math
@@rd6203 I'm very bad at math, so it would probably help me.
Anymore, I use cm for most of my sewing projects because I too, dislike fractions and rounding up a cm is less problematic than rounding up an inch. Switching to cm has made my sewing life better. :)
I swear I've watched the mathing/measuring part over 100 times and it's still not clicking in my brain.
It was difficult for me to figure out. Have you watched Dixie DIY's video about making her lazy stays? Maybe her explanation could help?
I was folling what you do. I think you need to comdain a good brea of yours im looking,. And the structure of the brea is not right
I'm unsure of what you are saying. Perhaps it didn't translate correctly? I based these Regency stays on a pattern from the early 1800's. If you are suggesting that I copy a well fitting bra that I already own, I did not consider that because the fit of modern bras is not the same as Regency stays. I wanted these stays to be as historically accurate as possible and these were also a first try to work out fit issues. Thank you for your comment!
While I realize this video is 2 years old, and my comment is not necessary, I wondered if making the straps that go around to the front much wider would allow it to be tied/buckled/somehow fastened in a way to hold as underbust support. That probably would make it NOT be the “lazy corset” pattern you were trying to recreate, but wouldn’t be a bad idea for actual use going forward. Like dividing the wide tie into 2 at the front so the top part would tie up under the bust as bust support and the bottom on the actual belly to keep it in place on the waistline. I have no way to draw that out in a comment, but imagine a thick U on its side with long tails at the end of the tie.
Great idea!
Your comment is totally necessary! I was wanting to recreate these so I can do a regency recreation dress without having to lace/make stays and this insight is very helpful 😅
I'm disappointed that we didn't get to see Thor!
The problem you're running into is that your torso is narrow at the shoulders and widens toward the waist, and you're working with shapes that assume the opposite. That's why it ends up too large through the chest and the shoulder straps aren't working. You could probably flip the back upside down so the bottom edge becomes the shoulder strap and vice versa. For the front, you'll need to redraft it so the bottom edge flares out to accommodate your belly without widening the chest and shoulders.
Thank you for the ideas!
@@PocketFullofPoseys I've drafted patterns for a couple of friends who are shaped similarly to you, and I've been playing with this style of stays for a customer. They're a really cool design, so I hope you're able to get them fitting well. Shortening the busk for more center front flexibility was a clever idea, I hope you don't mind if I borrow it.
@@angryhistoryguy5657 Go for it! ♥️🙂
All that maths..yikes! End product was fantastic!!
Thank you! ♥️