Torque converter and rear gears - LS1 4th gen Camaro
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- I added a built 4l60e and upgraded the rear end on my 2000 Heads/Cam Camaro. In this video I show you some driving habits before and after the build, and give a review of the transmission, torque converter, shift kit and rear gears.
The transmission has a 3,000 Pro Torque converter and a shift Kit. The rear end has 3.42 Motive performance gears.
1/4 mile video link: • Torque Converter and 1...
Frank Cahall - CPT: www.cahallperformancetrans.com
The mechanic that did my work is Tom Simpson at Pinellas Performance Automotive, located in Clearwater Florida. He's super knowledgeable, and really helped point me in the right direction with this build. He's also reasonably priced. Give him a call when you're ready for your next project, you won't be disappointed.
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Got 4K stall, it’s funny driving in traffic. Some of the people think your racing and your just trying to get it moving. Car is much louder. Once you really hit tho, hell yea! Then they know what’s up! Love it, do it and go big! Zero regrets
oicu81b42eh i got a 4k stall its not that bad but im in a truck with 4.10s
I want it
4:34 that oil pressure 😢
at idle a stock car only needs about 7 psi for oil; that is when the lights come on for low oil pressure; it is the minimum amount needs for proper circulation. 20 psi at idle is FAR more than enough for a mildly built engine. The higher your oil pressure is, the more horsepower you lose ... as oil pressure is a system that uses power to move oil, the higher the pressure the more effort is required and thus the more energy required. If you are getting adequate lubrication and cooling factor from the oil, any more than that is wasteful ... and at some point, it is doing less of its job ... part of the job of oil is cooling, and at a point it moves faster than it can provide cooling for.
Know what the system is, what it does, and how it is effected and how it affects other systems. More isn't always better.
Think of it this way, if you had 20 psi of water being poured down your gullet, you might not look at that number as such a low one ;)
Your right oil preseure is low on the top end too
3000 stall is mild that one seems very loose. Very nice car and good video. Yank's 3600 SS stall is very tight its what I had in my '00 SS. I grenaded a Vigilante 2800 stall(broken flexplate), and after getting the Yank i'd never want anything else.
I'd like to race that Camero 1 day... awesome car! awesome sound tooThumbs up.
I know Frank Cahall personally... Love his work, looking forward to having him build my trans for my gen2 lt1 396 AFR Headed beast in my 89 Foxbody! Hope you have great usage of the trans he built for you!
Badass!
Hopefully you'll run faster than high 12's at 111
That video is more powerful/informative and thank all of you think.... New subscriber
I have a 95 LT-1 with a built 4l60 and 3.73 Richmond gears. Mine shifts hard into 2nd. I am also running stainless steel long tubes headers and y-pipe from eBay and a 3 Magnaflow catback, NGK plugs and MSD wires. That made a huge difference. 💪
I have a 96 Firebird, mine shifts super hard into 2nd too. Almost lurches forward. I just did 3.73s and got the computer tuned, the shifts are gonna be a little more firm. I’m almost scared somethings gonna break
@@seshtilirest4748 How do you like the 3.73 gear? Big difference isn't it? Does yours wine a little?
@@hotrodder5034 I actually just got them done, it definitely is a big difference. I haven’t taken it to the track yet but I’m hoping to knock some tenths off. They whine a tiny bit, but only at a certain amount of throttle. If I’m just rolling, they don’t whine at all
They whine a little! I also added a t/a rearend cover. That was one of the best mods I ever had done.
@@hotrodder5034 little update, I ran 13.7 which was 3 tenths off the pass with 2.73s
Another thing people don't realize is with a higher stall, each shift the RPMs dont drop as much as they do stock.
I did the same to one I had and it was fun. I actually hated how smooth the transmission was when stock as it made me feel like it was going back then forward every time it upshifted during light throttle. With the shift kit I felt a push forward ever time, that felt nice. Lastly I had 3:73’s installed which helped chirp the tires more.
Those headlights are cool
Love that color with black rims!
Nice Camaro, I own a Trans Am WS6 with an LT1
Thanks, this is just what I was looking for.
Thanks for the vid bro very informative I was just looking into a TC! car looks and sounds great enjoy that beast!
I put Yukon 342 gears in mine. It’s a good blend between gas mileage and going faster.
This car is sick I have one and want todo these mods
Put on some drag radials and experience the true stall converter and gears
Great video thanks
Man i hope u still get these comments and can remember what valve springs you have in this car, because i just bought it but the gentlemen cant find the details on it. Seen all your videos but no mention of what springs. Asking because i plan on a more aggressive camshaft.
I cant wait to do my 373s, your stall is similar mine.. Mine is a little bit loser i mean barely . I have a fti 3k stall. Stock 323s. I take off around 2200-2400 if i leave kinda hard . Half throttle tho for me it goes straight to 3k off top or 28000 . But i can be a granny and leave under 2k.
You won't lose top end speed with 3.73. You need to know where you are shifting. You see my E.T. is 11.3 and my MPH is almost 120, 119.97 to be exact. When you are looking at MPH there are a few things that you need to consider. 1) Power curve vs shift, specifically how long are you in your power curve and on the shift when the car drops back in RPM where on the power curve does it fall. You want to hold the RPM before shifting for as long as it is profitable for the car. Basically know what the engine can take and then look at the power curve to see where you are at RPM on shift vs the drop back RPM. Peak Power is not everything. If the power is still higher after peak than it is on the drop back of the shift you want to have the car see that RPM for as long as it is profitable and for as much as the engine can take. Most SBE LS1s can only take about 7K RPM, Mine was seen to 6600 this season and I had to change both my Engine and Trans Rev limits to accommodate that. Staying in your power band for as long as possible is key for both E.T. and MPH. 2) DA matters a lot, you will obviously make more MPH in better air because the car makes more power in better air. So now in the Spring as well as later in the year in the Fall will be the best air to make the best E.T. and MPH. 3) Believe it or not Tire Pressure has a lot to do with Wheel Speed. Most people take air out of their tires down pretty low to ensure they hook on the drag radial, about 20 PSI +/- 2 is what I see normally. Tuning tire pressure for track conditions is key because you want the tire pressure to be low enough to hook but not so low that you lose top end wheel speed. You want to manage the pressure so that you are on the edge of spinning but not, just enough to hook no more no less.
373 you dont lose top end , you would of loved them ha
On the interstate in overdrive he would be tacking higher RPM's. It just depends what you want to use the car for. From the way he talks this is more of a daily driver/street car/grocery getter lol. I mean just the fact that he didn't want a shift kit tells me something.
373 is streetable ,its just 300rpm difference , but i wouldnt go with a stall yet i dont want transmission problem😧shift kit i had on my other camaro but it wasnt that great
LSX Racing 7 Stalls wont give you tranny problems. Install it with the best tranny cooler you can get and shouldnt have any problems.
@@lsxracing7744 3.73's with a 3400 here and built transmission, car is TOTTALY fine on the highway and zero issues at all. This was from 3.23s/ stock stall, was a massive wake up for the car in all RPM. Doesn't feel very loose at all, it does rev up higher but this brings things right into the power band and very welcome!
I have a bone stock 4l60 with a 3600 yank , shift kit.. been beating on it like crazy still holding . Also have a trans cooler … getting my gears done this week…
Great that explains it. Great if you live in flat areas maybe not so in hilly terrain.
They make cams that small? I don't think I've seen a head/cam car make under 400rwhp
Amazing video you have great content very very helpful!!
Thx ninja. I got a 99 Camaro and my transmission went out too. I’m putting a 4l80e in.
Keep an eye on that oil when you drain it. Look for shineys, pressure seems low on idle
I owed a stockis 98 ls1 z28 air filter flow master cat back 3 inch exhaust car was so. Fast. Supper fun driver I. Really. Regret. Selling. It. Cars. Have potential for days love. These. 4th gens Awesome also owed a 91. Z28 convertible. With stock. 5.0. Tpi motor that car was also a lot. Of fun these camaros. R wicked. Props love Chevys
The gears are making you have a bad image of the stalls behavior. And possibly the stall brand. Fti, yank, or circle d, with 3.73 you wouldnt be complaining. Me personally i like gear i might would go 3.90 or 4.10 with a 4000 stall. Triple disc
What a good man !
My transmission is going out 2... I have a 98 gold firebird ... v8...
4L60?
@@pontiacmaniac7772 I finally got a new built 4l60E from finish line transmission. It has been running great.
UniqueThaPoet nice. Glad you got it fixed!
With the typical GM 4 speed auto, the OD compensates, what was your highway RPM at 60? Doing the math, I think I am going 3.73's.
What size tire ? Mine is 323 stock tire 245 / 50/16 going up one inch or 2 the gear with 342 drops fast it’s was 327 & 319 something like that
That seems pretty sloppy for a 3000 stall imo.
The power zone
For the highway 3.42 gears are good 3.73 gears is a good in between gear not as good above 75mph on the highway probably with traction 2 to 3 tenths faster 4.10 gears not as good on the highway 2700rpm at 75mph probably with traction 4 to 7 tenths faster than the 3.42 gears and I'm assuming you have a 4 speed auto overdrive with a lockup torque converter more gear will rev the engine quicker 4.10s from 3.42 makes a big difference l know it's going to be less streetable with 4.10s or 3.73s but you already have a 3000rpm stall converter
What's the company name that built the transmission and how's it held up so far
cahallperformancetrans.com/4l60e%2C-65e%2C-70e
Don't have the car anymore but it seemed really strong.
I'm saving up for an ls1 camaro or hopefully a trans am. Been looking. Here in Albuquerque and surrounding areas. Seen several for $5 to $6k with 100k miles in good condition. Would love to hear from ls1 owners on reliability and what to look for when I actually go to inspect one. I'm super pumped like a little kid at Christmas. I have $3k so far. Once I have $5k I'm gonna start hunting
I just bought a trans am last month did you get one yet?
You need to save more cash. Unless you want a piece of junk.....
@Maximus Destructus Great advice. I have 364,000 on my LS1 Trans Am. It's been my daily driver for the past 18 years. If you make the repairs and keep up with it and don't dog it, you'll have one that will last.
$5k will buy a completely ragged out piece of trailer park jungle shit
@@jrbird7571 LS1’s are truly bulletproof!
Im thinking on geting that same trany is been 3 years now how is that holding up
I sold the car but it held up great the time that I had it. Wasn't a fan of the shift kit for daily driving though
Yeah my car is got a shift kit now and im ok with it but my 2nd to 3rd shift i have to pedal it in order for it to shift is stock 4l60 with just a shitf kit thanks for you help
Did this shop go out of business? I saw the Facebook link is broken. There are SO MANY scammers. Even products on jegs and summit racing are a joke. I can’t believe that their so oblivious. I’ve been shopping around for a performance company that sells built 4l60e and I finally found two shops. I’m still searching and would be welcome to any recommendations. I wonder if the lt1 or ls1 forums still have credible members left. It’s been years.
you paid 1750 for your trans...nice!! can send me the info,im in Florida also (central fl
Call my guy Tom Simpson at Simpson Performance in Clearwater and he'll tell you who the guy was that built my transmission. I don't remember the name but it was something like "callahan".
Tell Tom that Nick Hodges sent you
cahallperformancetrans.com/4l60e%2C-65e%2C-70e
Drop a tr6060
😎👍
For only being a 3000 stall that thing drives very loose.
You make 380 wheel? My LT1 with a cam makes 330 wheel and it started at 275. I thought LS engines gained more than that from a cam.
It’s a very small cam.
his is auto and its a very small cam, most the power gain was from the heads alone
1/4 mile time?
I see the stock 4l60 didn’t last long
Nope! That and the rear end went very shortly after. Had them both rebuilt
How much did you spend to rebuild your transmission, and how much did you spend on the rear end, and what rear end did you get?
Trans was $3,100. Rear end was like $500. Motive performance 3.42 gears
@@tampabaybuilds6825 did you have a shop install all of it? Was it a new trans or rebuilt
Rebuilt trans with race components. Shop installed the trans for 400 and the rear end for 400.
Careful with the 10 bolt
They break in autos too
@@Highlander1432 Doesn't Moser make a 12 bolt for this car? I think I've seen most people upgrade to that.
12.6 in the quarter? Were u on street tires bc u should be in the low 12s to high 11s for almost 400 whp
Yes streets.
Added TC, trans and rear end and got 12.2
@@tampabaybuilds6825 that sounds more right lol 👍 wasn't tryna dog your car. It's a beast. Just felt like it deserved more credit than 12.6 lol was that with drag radials under it?
Yeah don't fucking brag about high 12's in a H/C ls1
Every dumbass kid who sees this will think these cars are slow as shit
@@Highlander1432 Don't think he was bragging... just stating what his current setup was. Obviously it needed some work, which he did, and got the proper results. Chill.
It must be something wrong with your car. I dont have that problem with my trans am and 4000 stall and i have not even tuned it yet. You know there are lock up torque converters right for modern cars ?? Just saying i run 75 mph at 2500 rpm with a 4000 stall and stock hight tires on my WS6
What gear ratio did you have before the 3.42?
the Stock 3.23s
TampaBay Builds stock should had been 2.73 gears. The ss auto had the 3.23 and standard had the 3.42
matz lindfors 3.23 was an option back then. My 99 z28 has them but I have 3.73s waiting to go in.
Hey bud your oil pressure is low don’t want to see that beast blow up
Just letting you kno if your oil pressure is off or what not but it’s sitting way below 40 psi
AJ Tindall
Hey AJ. I actually noticed that the other day and looked it up. I changed to a ported ls6 oil pump when I did the heads/cam build and that dropped my oil pressure. After some research from a couple weeks ago I found some other people that have similar pressure as me with stock pumps, and people said it wasn't a big deal. I've driven it hard for 4000 miles with this oil pressure and it's still going, so I guess it's fine? At WOT it's a little over 40-45
You might need a new oil pressure sending unit. In my last Z my pressure gradually went from 20 while driving to 0. Put a new sending unit in it and it went up to 55-60. The part was like $40 but is behind the intake manifold and is kind of a beeeoooootch.
Yes it is a bitch to replace. I swapped the intake manifold myself to run the different coolant lines required for the LS6 intake and ended up breaking the sending unit, so a new one was put on with the heads/cam build. It's been runnin fine for two years so I'm not worried about it at this point.
Try to shim the pump spring
I'm I the only one worried about his oil pressure, he might have spun a cam bearing
Someone jacked up your car by the bottom of the front fender where it meets the body under the car. It bent that connection and now your front fenders are sticking out at the bottom. Go under the car ( just behind the front wheels) and bend the fender connection back. Hopefully your fender will return to normal. Cheers.
Check it out. th-cam.com/video/_XFLg-FTUYY/w-d-xo.html
something is wrong with your car im in mid 12s with longtubes full exhaust and gears im in sarasota if you need help
Im at 12.8 just got dyno tune hoping for 12.5 lol no stall
@@lsxracing7744 yeah bro im bolt ons tune with 4;10s no stall running 12.5 all day this guy has heads cam stall should easily be in 11s geez
Wait......why did you buy an aftermarket auto:((((((((((
Time to spray yet?
Haha it's gettin close. I'm just scared to death I'll blow the motor. I'll enjoy this for a while, probably throw some cts-v brakes on it, then 6 months down the road maybe look at a cheap turbo setup, but I have a lot of research to do in the meantime.
Do a small shot like 75 or a magnisun supercharger your cam would like that kind of boost a turbo might have to have a different cam
12.6@111
Are you at 5000 ft elevation ?
Holy shit you should be in the mid 11's with any kind of sticky tire
You're making Fbody guys look bad
So cant nobody tell me yall cant see them miles lol.. My baby is at 114000
Was lucky to even get mine at right under 108k
Oil pressure seems a bit low.
It’s not that fast..... you never got your Speedo fixed
Didn't know you had to recalibrate speedo unless you drastically change your wheel/tire diameter
nephyril rear end gear you need to.
@@lsmustangx9010 Cool. Thanks for the tip!
nephyril for his car just go into hp tuners and put in then info and done. It’s really simple to do if your car is already tuned
@@lsmustangx9010 I have my own 4th gen Camaro just recently bought. Still on the used-car-fix-em-up maintenance step but will be looking to do some mild modifications for a comfortable (and slightly potent) daily. Again, thanks for the tips!
Youre spreading misinfirmation to the uninformed. The blind leading the blind
Hey bud please stop saying you did the work. When you say “I did the work” it makes you sound like you actually did all the work yourself. Which you did not. Not trying to be an asshole just letting you know how you come off.