Arcade : damn i got rear ended off track in t1 just gonna have to hold nitro and do a 185mph powerslide thru the next chicane Sim: damn i got rear ended off track in t1, the race is over.
@@stormdumb not every race is a good time. But being able to outsmart your opponent, faking inside dives, making the guy in front drive harder than he wants ect is where the fun is. The challenge is the fun. Unfortunately arcade racers are not challenging, fun yes, but challenging no.
I'm an Assetto Corsa user, and some people don't even label that as a full SIM. The real sims are Rfactor and I racing etc. There reason I want a 100% realistic experience is because I like driving in real life and I want to be able to practice at home. Its also nice being able to do motorsport without spending thousands just to take part.
@@airsoft9077 yeah but once you move to higher categories you'll need more money. Unless you have a rich daddy or part of a driver academy you'll need sponsorship
@@aslamnurfikri7640 at least your still participating in a motorsport even if you dont move up to like monster cup nascar. Actually driving is so much more gratifying
i absolutely agree with what you said but... an Asphalt8 racer may never understand the true purpose of brakes, or nitrous, or that no car can go 300mph (yet)
@@jonanolakers1567 well, those sorta cars hit 300 under the BEST of conditions, in a dead straight line and need to be prepared by mehanics for it. Hitting 300mph in a racing context is pretty much impossible, because racing cars need power, lightness and downforce. To hit 300 you need to maximize power and reduce downforce, so that leads to a car that will kill you around a racetrack of any kind.
@Selim Sultan Akbar You are triggered. Lol. Don't call him an idiot for having a different opinion. Need for speed and Nfs: Payback faced a lot of criticism. They weren't nearly as good as the older titles like most wanted and underground 2. Also, when he made this comment, nfs heat was not released.
True. They can even help in daily driving situations. They actually helped me realise how dangerous fast driving can be and how in a split second you could hit a tree with a tiny mistake
@@hellbr3ad807 Fully agree. An aspect of sim racing that's not often talked about. As for me, driving in simcades like Forza has at least made me realize how big of a risk an overtake on a highway can be, for instance. How one second I was confident and the next I would have presumably been dead had that been real life Makes you less reckless on the actual road. Makes you not confuse streets with race tracks
Who Are You? Fun fact they actually were making 4 but a lawsuit stop it might happen but it might be a while it was supposed to New York and London I believe
My point of view is a bit different. I think the fundamental difference is that the sim racer simulates the need for pilot safety. We're supposed to win races to buy a car that drives both better and faster, so that we maintain our safety at higher speed. In arcade games, safety doesn't matter, we're actually supposed to take more risks instead to increase the reward. The game itself opposes a resistance to us going faster. Cheating opponents, less controlable or more fragile cars, it has to establish rules that impose by all means a proportional risk/reward system that can go as high as one's player skills. There's no fine line to determine at which point of realism a game is simulating reality or not. How accurate must be the car, the options, the environment, the physics? We didn't wait for the current level of realism to talk about a sim racer genre. What those games really have to simulate is the importance of driving safely, just as in real racing situations. So everything must be done to immerge the player in this situation... realistic cars, physics, places, and sanctions for bad driving... are just options. Neither genre have to respect or disrespect the reality of driving physics. They need to organise a progression and punishments that support safe driving in one case, or risky driving in the other. In this regard, most recent so-called arcade racers are half-assed, as they eliminate the need for safety without organizing a real risk/reward system.
@@luissandoval1515 ditt rally 2.0 is one of the most realistic rally simulators there is, but not dirt4, or something like that, but at least better than forza
イ入 Asdrion TM more competitive than iRacing? And on trackmania, they drive for a few minutes, or seconds, give or take, while most sim racers have to drive from 30 minutes, to 24 hours in some races!
@@lorenzoabanes6351 I said that Trackmania is 1 of the most competitive ARCADE racing games. Also those tracks are just the normal race tracks in Trackmania. The longest track in Trackmania is 4000+hours.
In this case, a Sim/cade title would bridge the gap... "theoretically", Sim/cade titles usually fail to appeal to both audiences, they are not as flashy as arcade games, and not realistic enough to appeal to sim racers, their value comes as a stepping stone from arcade to sim, you could still learn breaking points and racing lines, without the need to be constantly fighting your car, most simcades have wheel support and cam be very fun for someone transitioning.
If you don't have a decent racing wheel playing simulator racing games with keyboard or gamepad is kind of pointless. For an arcade racer with holywood physics you can go with anything. I really like arcade racers, since I'm not a driver at all and I prefer movie-like action over realism.
I play both. But hands down people who are good at sims and far better than arcaders. Its not uncommon for me to jump on an arcader and win effortlessly without using nitro or the ridiculously unbelievable drift/powerslide simply because i understand braking points, acceleration, racing lines and apex point of entry/ exit. Arcaders are fun and less serious, theres nothing wrong with that, its enjoyment. Competitive sims arent always enjoyable, sometimes it feels like a chore, spending hrs on track alone just because you have to shave .200 off your time, thats not fun, that feels like a chore at times
You absolutely hit it on the nail for me (with hardcore simulators)👍👍 I honestly prefer simcade physics, then arcade. I've tried pure sims but it's an absolute chore for me from the physics to the borefest track racing. After I get past the annoying hang of the physics, it absolutely does nothing for me. With simcades like Forza Horizon series, it's just so much more accessible, entertaining and emersive with the content of different race types, events, the open world environment, the traffic, the audio etc. All those aspects makes it feel so alive imo.
What I do not like about arcade racers is that they base their physics on real-world physics but going into all kind of tweaks to make it 'more fun' and easier to drive and pick up. This means that it might become extremely inconsistent in terms of actual car behaviour. Like you can lose grip in an instant for no reason because you bump into a part of the physics which works like that just because. In contrast playing an actual, proper simulation means that you can expect the car to behave in a certain way. Even if you jump from rFactor 2 to Project Cars 2 or Assetto Corsa, you will have a very similar feeling after setting up your controls. In arcade games you have to learn each of them even though they are way more shallow. In simulation titles you will have a tougher time but you carry over your progress essentially. It is simply a different kind of fun and generally it is more for the more patient type. Also, Forza Motorsport barely qualifies as a sim, you can call it a sim-cade, though that is a half-assed term. Forza has way more content and much more focused on instant fun than any proper sim mentioned above. It is a decent middle-ground, even though it might feel lackluster for not having a strong style.
@@lorenzoabanes6351 I'm sorry. But it's just...I prefer the more arcadey feel of racing games that dont focus on realistic handling. They feel more exciting and action packed. Simulation racing games can be fun, but for me, they just dont have the same chaotic pleasure that games like burnout revenge, onrush, and split second have
Magnus also, sorry for the late reply, but I like Sim Racing because it immerses the player into a proper motorsports experience, you practice, get better, win, and on the physics, Sim Racing in my opinion is more rewarding than Arcades, and they give me a sense of fulfilment, as it’s like drawing or painting, the work is hard, but fun, and the results aren’t half bad either!
What annoys me about about Forza is how they will put some of the best new cars in the Horizon games, and refuse to add them to Motorsport for us sim guys. I'm never buying Horizon, I just don't enjoy Arcade racers because they don't challenge me enough. I don't see the logic behind them doing this. Yet they'll add hundreds of cars that are completely useless to Motorsport which would actually make since in Horizon because it's not as serious. No one will ever seriously race in a Raptor on Motorsport.
Play inicial d arcade stage and finish the story. The second and third are simple but difficult to master. Wangang Maximun tune 5 it also other Game with simplistic base Game with fun mechanics to brake check, push traffic, block pasasses, It depend more in reflexes and short strategy. It sad that was only arcade only games (need more ports).
I been thinking that shit for years. I would like everything on forza motorsports games like all the tracks and the way the cars drive but also have an open world to drive around like the horizon games.that would be the best outcome for forza series I feel.
Generally the less precision of input it requires, the less emergent chaos there is in a simulation, the more "arcade" it is. Its abstraction. Its making the basic instruments of control easier to utilize, so that more complex challanges can be regularly presented for the sake of spectacle. There is absolutely no reason you couldnt drive a corckscrew or loodeloop in an F1 game, or BeamNG, but that it is a lot easier to fail at it, to the point where consistently doing so for 20 turns, by 20 drivers, whilst jockeying for position with each other is unfeasable. So basically arcade games are roo simple to be worth playing on a traditional track, and aims are too difficult to succesfully race an arcade track.
I like something like the F1 games from Codemasters. Enough sim elements in it that it requires a decent amount of skill and strategy to do well, but arcade enough to where one or two not so minor mistakes don't completely take away your chances of still coming back to win and the damage physics are a bit more forgiving. Also, I don't really like the driver communities of the ultra sim and ultra arcade games. Sim guys take things way too seriously and forget that they were an accident prone newb at one point. And the ultra arcade crowd don't seem to take online competitions seriously enough and will just plow through anyone or everyone if they know their race is over because they know they won't get banned from it.
I think there should be a forza game like fh3 but have all the fm7 tracks Some were in the world. Drive up to it and start the race. Then you could get the best of both worlds even though fm7 doesn’t have much to offer any how.
Arcade racers should still have a place in today's generation, they are still fun, just as long as they are developed right. if you ask me, I wanna see a spiritual successor to Black Box's NFS Hot Pursuit 2(best simcade racer ever, nothing like it), or Rush 2049 from Atari Games(Physics are phenomenal and fun! I dont care if its realistic or fakey, it was just dynamic and fun to mess with) I'm still very bummed to this day that arcade racers never get the respect it deserved as it did back then! Don't get me wrong, I enjoy sims, too.
I think that Racing Games should have 2 Modes 'Simulation' & 'Arcade', which would change physics, graphics etc... Also, I kinda agree with you, all tho I'm on the middle (*starts to sing that song*), because, as you said, Sim Games can't give a story that is as good as Arcade Games.. Nice video btw :)
it would sadly be hard to imploment in too a game. you would have to have two separate lobbies, wich would make the game more complicated and bad running. otherwise some kid will always nitrus-powersliding past you, taking hairpins at 100+ mph.
The reason most people play games in the first place is to escape from real life, to immerse themselves into a world which they know can never exist for them, but the idea, the concept of it is what draws them to it, so no matter what sort of game it is, whether it is a Racing Sim to Call of Duty, people play to escape.
They said (at the time) that shift was the most realistic simulation racer ever. That's start did it for me, because when I'm driving my car down the road it totally hits the gas and brakes for my if i follow the glowing arrows and if i dip a tire or two into the gravel shoulder it definitely slows me down quicker than the brakes and i can't go faster than 35mph without all four tires on the pavement. That's totally realistic. Games where you slide around on dirt and can exceed the speed limit of a school zone when children are present, that's totally fantastical. Right. Wow, I just missed the entire video complaining about a game i played for twenty minutes a decade ago and returned the same day. I need to let it go already...
Sim racer and acade racer are both great in they own way both have pros and cons, its all about players experience. I prefer acade racer because I got used to that style of play since ps1 and I enjoy it simplicity, without the confusion of Sim racers games
I would love to see a Cart racer with realistic physicks or a blend between arcade and simulation. Imagine Mario cart and you have to be easy on the trottle so you don't spinn out. Or that you have to do the jumps and bumps right so you don't fall tilt over.
What if there was a game line that had its own special parts, and combining them would be like combining the games, and if you combine all of them, you get the ultimate experience?
Sadly sim racers can’t have that open world goofiness you’re talking about. Forza horizon for example, that game is grade A trash solely because of the players and what it’s become. Dirty drivers, cheaters, the whole deal. When a sim crosses that line wanting to be an arcade game, players will treat the game accordingly thus ruining the game.
Sim driving games like BeamNG could be so fun, but lack the power to execute their potential, with only the community making content on it, it's hard to keep coming back to Beam NG
@@falcongamer58 I should know, cause I was one of the original backers of the game well before It came on Steam (I still have the original alpha build on my old computer). I usually have fun just messing around, especially trying to drive around traffic on custom maps like Nevada with my custom 180sx or getting into a mountain chase with ten police cars
I am mostly a simcade guy, but i am actually getting the hang of BeamNG in Dualshock 4, I learnt cornering and braking from GT. AI keeps on commiting suicide tho
To me driving in Forza Motorsport 7 feels a lot more intuitive than other Sims or Simcades. I drive cars on daily basis and that's how I want my game to feel. If I can't take a rather long and somewhat tight corner at 30mph like I do in real life then I don't like to play it, yes looking at you assetto corsa.
If we get a new burnout in style of revenge, with the physics model of paradise, and the crash mode of revenge, and containing some vehicle modification like Need For Speed Heat, I would be amazed
Sim racing is costly. Arcade racing you can play on your grandma’s tv. but once your palms get addicted to the FFB, you will sell your grandma’s kidney to play sim racing.
Yes i love unique driving model of it and map that is huge .. some people trash it say its shit... its a game with unique driving model that is arcady Its fun and it works when you get used to it .It takes time in the beginning tho
Today in school there was somebody insisting Forza had so much better physics and Assetto would be really really bad... Assetto is Sim and Forza Arcade but he insisted Forza would be a Sim better that Assetto in every way... he pretty much said Assetto is bad as the worst mobile racing game...
Hey Raymond. I love your insight on things like this. Your a really smart dude! i Agree you have a valid poin. I have not had much oppertunity to play online in games, but the small bit i had was insane. I sucked, but it was more fun thatn racing against even the hardest drivatars. When i get around to getting Live gold, I'd really love to play with you man :-)
I feel like games will get worst as the big titles will die and new titles will come in and the franchise could potentially die as so many people now play Fortnite or PUBG
The problem is in your wording a simulator is by no means a game, but a game is a simulator with added objectives Currency use etc, it’s not subcategorized by “games” either, a sim is a sim and a game is a game. Just like a square is a rectangle but a rectangle isn’t a square.
Grand Theft Auto already using elements of arcade racing and sim racing.
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I have a sim rig and regularly run WRC8, AC, Raceroom etc. But I have a few arcade racers too for the wife and 8 year old kid to play around on. Neither have the patience for proper sims.
arcade driving games need to calm down seriously , with all the nitro boosts and flying over buildings and stuff, arcade should be a mode where a player just drives with some similarity to a real car but also not entirely realistic, where as sim is just realistic
It does, and to be fair, with all assists off and manual mode, it's way more fun. The "normal" mode is a bit boring in my humble opinion, smash the throttle on a very fast car, brake when a corner shows up, don't care. Without assists, more than half throttle will spin the wheels in thrid gear in some cars, and you have to really feel the brakes with the vibrating triggers to avoid locking up, being aware of the downforce depending on your speed, all that while managing gearing. The physics are toned down in this game, but the underlying physics engine is actually excellent. You can even see the wings of cars bending with the aerodynamic simulation (It's the engine they based Flight Simulator on from hat i've read). It's still a bit simplistic compared to a real sim, but it's way more engaging and enjoyable, even on a gamepad.
Arcade racers if you like racing games, simracers if you like driving. There's no saying you can't like both, but they don't really occupy the same space on the market, it's like comparing splatoon and arma because they are both technically shooting games.
I loved payback i just wish it was more of a sim, i also dont like that sims dont have much flexibility cause thats kinda takes away from the simulation, you realistically would be able to streetrace and stuff, but i think they are both realistic. Even nfs payback is realistic (obv not in alot of ways) but the handlinn and stuff and street racing is pretty good
I have both Forza and Assetto Corsa....I don't play Forza no more. Going through a gas station full throttle and come out the other end not totalled is kinda kiddish. I want the on the edge nervous feeling of not crashing because I'll be out of the race realism. But that's just my preference
I prefer sim racing. Because alot of players are more mature and can handle critique (rfactor for example) and doesn’t ram as much. But it depends on what type of game
Nah man, Sim racing community has a huuuge stick up their ass i don't know what for. In some ways it's a good thing (i.e. when racing online, etiquette must be maintained, no ramming etc.) but in other ways it's a really bad thing because a vocal minority of these people are so immersed in sim racing, they automatically equate arcade racing games as shit games. This kinda sim racing fanboyism turns off new players and i think that's mainly a reason why sim racing is a niche even today, even with some sim racing games having better and more lifelike graphics and sounds than 99% of all the other games on the market, genre no bar.
I feel like when you switch to simulation mode in forza horizon series it should switch the whole driving system to motorsport tighter steering running out of gas if you dont go to the festival or home the Aventador will jerk due to its single sequential clutch and the engines from forza horizon series all sound copy and pasted the v12 in motorsports really comes to life
Anthony Hauser if you want the closest racing game to reality in terms of physics, get Asseto Corsa on Xbox One, or Forza 7 if you're all about graphics and content but less complex physics
Is not cool as a driver you play a arcade game and the life kick your teeths when you get a real car. After you play a sim like project cars 2 arcade racing look like a joke , not challenge on aspects how you drive.
But the only good thing about pure sims are the realistic physics which is an absolute chore instead of fun (how games should be) Literally everything else about pure sims are a complete borefest. play any arcade or Sim Cade racing game and put the difficulty all the way up and I guarantee you won't say it's a joke.
The best game is the one with the perfect balance for you. You cant play a 100% simulation race game without feeling the g forces and to have that kind of equipment in your house. i doubt it. For example need for speed (arcade type) has some tittles that have a good balance between aracde and simulation like NFS: pro street and NFS; shift series. The other ones like hot pursuit series began with NFS Undercover and those are just arcade history games. Right now i play TrackMania, why? because i can emulate the track near my house and practice it lol.
With that being said, all race games with a steering wheel will help to anyone to practice racing. Of course each type of game for each type of player lvl. I bet proffesional still can learn and practice things in Gran Turismo 5.
what if real simulators, such as project cars, assetto corsa, raceroom or even iRacing could have open world and good car lists and customization, de dream!
Typically arcade games have a more numerous set of skill ceilings to be explored per game on avg. Take Quakeworld for example and how much stuff there is there to master. Reality should be seen as chains in a design space. Chains we can relate to, but chains nonetheless. Typically mechanical ability is a very boring skill to pedestalize. And the tryhards put wayyyyy too much emphasis on it. Decision making ability SHOULD be pedestalized more. Dota 2 is fun to watch, and tactical decisions matter so much more to an analysis of depth.
One more thing competition is a status game. All men are in a competition with each other whether they know this or not. A thing that more closely mimics reality rewards more status based on that fact alone. Therefore reality-based games are often created BASED on this status reward and typically draws the attention of those not wanting to be called a gamer, but wanting to be seen as a wrecker of men. Unbeknownst to the architects. That's why arcade games aren't as competition heavy.
@@kak8895 You seem more "pained" about my comment then what I was when I wrote it. I can easily ask why you are so bothered about a strangers view of Forza? I get its a game and just a racing game but also remember this is a TH-cam video titled "simulation racers vs arcade racers" and forza 7 doesn't go out to be as realistic as it can but rather allow forgiving controls to be appealing to larger audiences. If you play Forza and like playing it great, good for you it's zero skin of my nose. I played the hell out of crazy taxi when I was younger and liked it but also don't consider that a taxi simulator.
I don't own Forza Horizon 3. But it looked really cool with the hot wheels tracks. And I hope thers comes more arkade like tracks in the future in simulation games. Whether they have loops, surreal environments or both. I think wreckfeast has some really interesting tracks. Especially the rainbow road from Nintendo 64. But I don't know how fun that whas to drive on since I don't own the game. And it looked really chaotic. Hehe. ________Next comment____________ Thers two things I whant to see in a simulation game. First a game mode where all the cars are half the scale so they drive like giant radiocars. And the track becomes bigger for them. And all physic change. I guess its more like go cart then. The idea is to make the cars easier to drive and track bigger. A bit like arcade. But still have that simulation feel. And the other mode is to have unlimited cars in a race. Would be much caos. Maybe 50-100 cars in one race. Just for fun. (edit: I come to think thers actually a nascar multiplayer game that has this. Dont remember the name. And thers probably more of them. Really cool.) Thats my thoughts. ----------------------- End? ------------------------ And finnaly trackmania needs a game mode where the cars can pull each other. Not so much that they spinn out. But at least you can crash in them block them or race more like a normal race. I would like both modes I think. They have this a bit in Track mania Turbo: Single screen mode.
I'm thinking about what racing game I could make\want to play, it'd be the most balls to the wall thing I can come up with, like, Burnout: Blood Dragon or something, I'd like to have a driving physics that is unrealistic to give power to the player, with the left stick when air born you could perform tricks to built momentum and stuff, the tires stick to the track really well but you can engage drift mode and start skidding around even in straight lines a the cost of a mumentum based systems where you risk losing controll at any moment if your not careful, the most basic damage model possible, a health bar and explosions, you could use your health as nitro like in F-Zero, slip stream would have a slingshot effect giving you lost of momentum but makinh your own slip stream much stronger and stuff, I'd like it to be easy to pick up and then hard to master with skill based tracks and multiplayer.
I HAVE GT SPORT..and its a beautiful game...but...it offers the same sleepy boring real world tracks that always made gt a sometimey fum kind of experience. Arcade games have better looking tracks which are more fun to look at and experience...but the cartoony driving..your mustang can beat my Bugatti on a straight...you can never lose the cops no matter how well you drive...cause they have three times the speed and capability...and nitros...I hate nitros...fire shooting out the exhaust...and having to drift around every corner...and its considered a turn. Arcade racers are not for competitive gamers. Need 4 speed has been out for a long time...and it was fun in the early days...then they changed the platform to the dueschy story modes...ricer cars and drifting...goodbye nfs….now...there is only gt sport....and eventually it will bore me o death.
Arcade: how good are you at using nitro
Sim: how good are you at not crashing
@@stormdumb try some GR1 or lmp racing on a wet track. Do 200+ in the rain and oh, dont crash
Arcade : damn i got rear ended off track in t1 just gonna have to hold nitro and do a 185mph powerslide thru the next chicane
Sim: damn i got rear ended off track in t1, the race is over.
@@stormdumb not every race is a good time. But being able to outsmart your opponent, faking inside dives, making the guy in front drive harder than he wants ect is where the fun is. The challenge is the fun. Unfortunately arcade racers are not challenging, fun yes, but challenging no.
@@stormdumb F1 isnt even a sim but its far more challenging than say NFS, the crew, or games of that nature
not crashing..... im still crashing almost every lap in rfactor... jsut got it
I'm an Assetto Corsa user, and some people don't even label that as a full SIM. The real sims are Rfactor and I racing etc. There reason I want a 100% realistic experience is because I like driving in real life and I want to be able to practice at home. Its also nice being able to do motorsport without spending thousands just to take part.
I see, that's an interesting view
completely agree, then again, i´m 14, so i cant drive a real car, but i like the challenge of sims like raceroom
Alot of those sim racers spend thousands on their setups tho. You can get into motorsport for like 2k bucks on an oval track
@@airsoft9077 yeah but once you move to higher categories you'll need more money. Unless you have a rich daddy or part of a driver academy you'll need sponsorship
@@aslamnurfikri7640 at least your still participating in a motorsport even if you dont move up to like monster cup nascar. Actually driving is so much more gratifying
i absolutely agree with what you said but... an Asphalt8 racer may never understand the true purpose of brakes, or nitrous, or that no car can go 300mph (yet)
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@@jonanolakers1567 he did say (yet). Btw that was 2yrs ago
i understand both...
@@jonanolakers1567 well, those sorta cars hit 300 under the BEST of conditions, in a dead straight line and need to be prepared by mehanics for it. Hitting 300mph in a racing context is pretty much impossible, because racing cars need power, lightness and downforce. To hit 300 you need to maximize power and reduce downforce, so that leads to a car that will kill you around a racetrack of any kind.
@@eduardo_Skywaller1032 also he said yet
I like both arcade & sim However being an Arcade game doesn't justify the awful quality of recent NFS titles
@Selim Sultan Akbar You are triggered. Lol. Don't call him an idiot for having a different opinion. Need for speed and Nfs: Payback faced a lot of criticism. They weren't nearly as good as the older titles like most wanted and underground 2. Also, when he made this comment, nfs heat was not released.
At least Heat is good
@@unrealclock4035 Ye tho I still think forza horizon 4 and 3 are better and I want to play them soo bad
@@samvitdhawan8353 yea Forza has much better driving physics than nfs
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Sim racing games can help with real driving experience
True. They can even help in daily driving situations. They actually helped me realise how dangerous fast driving can be and how in a split second you could hit a tree with a tiny mistake
@@hellbr3ad807 Fully agree. An aspect of sim racing that's not often talked about. As for me, driving in simcades like Forza has at least made me realize how big of a risk an overtake on a highway can be, for instance. How one second I was confident and the next I would have presumably been dead had that been real life
Makes you less reckless on the actual road. Makes you not confuse streets with race tracks
enjoyment>realism
I just want a new midnight club game 🤧😭
Who Are You? Fun fact they actually were making 4 but a lawsuit stop it might happen but it might be a while it was supposed to New York and London I believe
I'd like that too, i just can't really enjoy a game that makes me feel too worried about braking to take a simple turn.
@@dannyfonseca07 the first game had New York and London
@@dannyfonseca07 isnt mc4 la?
I want enough money to be able to buy a racing game 😭
My point of view is a bit different. I think the fundamental difference is that the sim racer simulates the need for pilot safety. We're supposed to win races to buy a car that drives both better and faster, so that we maintain our safety at higher speed. In arcade games, safety doesn't matter, we're actually supposed to take more risks instead to increase the reward. The game itself opposes a resistance to us going faster. Cheating opponents, less controlable or more fragile cars, it has to establish rules that impose by all means a proportional risk/reward system that can go as high as one's player skills. There's no fine line to determine at which point of realism a game is simulating reality or not. How accurate must be the car, the options, the environment, the physics? We didn't wait for the current level of realism to talk about a sim racer genre. What those games really have to simulate is the importance of driving safely, just as in real racing situations. So everything must be done to immerge the player in this situation... realistic cars, physics, places, and sanctions for bad driving... are just options. Neither genre have to respect or disrespect the reality of driving physics. They need to organise a progression and punishments that support safe driving in one case, or risky driving in the other. In this regard, most recent so-called arcade racers are half-assed, as they eliminate the need for safety without organizing a real risk/reward system.
Why is he talking about simulation games but doesn't show any?
yeah, very true, i was very struggeling even getting a valid lap in raceroom, i had thought forza was like real life, but no no no
Dirt is sim
@@luissandoval1515 ditt rally 2.0 is one of the most realistic rally simulators there is, but not dirt4, or something like that, but at least better than forza
Dirt 4 is a good Simulator
@@mabra33 not really, dirt 4 is designen with controllers players in mind, wich makes it not the most realistic, so would'nt call it a sim
Well, Often simulation racers are good at both Arcade and Simulation racing games, But arcade racers are often very bad at simulation races
@Todor Samardzhiev
Sounds like you have never heard about the Trackmania series.
1 of the most competetive arcade racing game series out there.
イ入 Asdrion TM more competitive than iRacing? And on trackmania, they drive for a few minutes, or seconds, give or take, while most sim racers have to drive from 30 minutes, to 24 hours in some races!
@@lorenzoabanes6351
I said that Trackmania is 1 of the most competitive ARCADE racing games.
Also those tracks are just the normal race tracks in Trackmania.
The longest track in Trackmania is 4000+hours.
Sim racers will suffer in trackmania and midnight club
No purpose whatsoever if a game is good imma play it. That’s my opinion
Exactly
@YexaC Found the virgin
@YexaC Nah
@YexaC so what you're saying is that if you play games to have fun, you're wrong😂
In this case, a Sim/cade title would bridge the gap... "theoretically", Sim/cade titles usually fail to appeal to both audiences, they are not as flashy as arcade games, and not realistic enough to appeal to sim racers, their value comes as a stepping stone from arcade to sim, you could still learn breaking points and racing lines, without the need to be constantly fighting your car, most simcades have wheel support and cam be very fun for someone transitioning.
If you don't have a decent racing wheel playing simulator racing games with keyboard or gamepad is kind of pointless. For an arcade racer with holywood physics you can go with anything. I really like arcade racers, since I'm not a driver at all and I prefer movie-like action over realism.
I play both. But hands down people who are good at sims and far better than arcaders. Its not uncommon for me to jump on an arcader and win effortlessly without using nitro or the ridiculously unbelievable drift/powerslide simply because i understand braking points, acceleration, racing lines and apex point of entry/ exit. Arcaders are fun and less serious, theres nothing wrong with that, its enjoyment. Competitive sims arent always enjoyable, sometimes it feels like a chore, spending hrs on track alone just because you have to shave .200 off your time, thats not fun, that feels like a chore at times
You absolutely hit it on the nail for me (with hardcore simulators)👍👍 I honestly prefer simcade physics, then arcade. I've tried pure sims but it's an absolute chore for me from the physics to the borefest track racing. After I get past the annoying hang of the physics, it absolutely does nothing for me. With simcades like Forza Horizon series, it's just so much more accessible, entertaining and emersive with the content of different race types, events, the open world environment, the traffic, the audio etc. All those aspects makes it feel so alive imo.
What I do not like about arcade racers is that they base their physics on real-world physics but going into all kind of tweaks to make it 'more fun' and easier to drive and pick up. This means that it might become extremely inconsistent in terms of actual car behaviour. Like you can lose grip in an instant for no reason because you bump into a part of the physics which works like that just because.
In contrast playing an actual, proper simulation means that you can expect the car to behave in a certain way. Even if you jump from rFactor 2 to Project Cars 2 or Assetto Corsa, you will have a very similar feeling after setting up your controls. In arcade games you have to learn each of them even though they are way more shallow. In simulation titles you will have a tougher time but you carry over your progress essentially. It is simply a different kind of fun and generally it is more for the more patient type.
Also, Forza Motorsport barely qualifies as a sim, you can call it a sim-cade, though that is a half-assed term. Forza has way more content and much more focused on instant fun than any proper sim mentioned above. It is a decent middle-ground, even though it might feel lackluster for not having a strong style.
While most arcade racing games are not competitive. Have you ever seen the competitive scene of Trackmania?
イ入 Asdrion TM not as good as iRacing
@@lorenzoabanes6351
You again. We already talked about this.
We do not have the same opinion.
Long. Live. Arcade. Racing.
Longer. Living. Is. Sim. Racing.
@@lorenzoabanes6351 I'm sorry. But it's just...I prefer the more arcadey feel of racing games that dont focus on realistic handling. They feel more exciting and action packed. Simulation racing games can be fun, but for me, they just dont have the same chaotic pleasure that games like burnout revenge, onrush, and split second have
Magnus&Jaexen naa I’m talking about the life span of the genre, first proper sim style game was in the 70s
Magnus also, sorry for the late reply, but I like Sim Racing because it immerses the player into a proper motorsports experience, you practice, get better, win, and on the physics, Sim Racing in my opinion is more rewarding than Arcades, and they give me a sense of fulfilment, as it’s like drawing or painting, the work is hard, but fun, and the results aren’t half bad either!
What annoys me about about Forza is how they will put some of the best new cars in the Horizon games, and refuse to add them to Motorsport for us sim guys. I'm never buying Horizon, I just don't enjoy Arcade racers because they don't challenge me enough. I don't see the logic behind them doing this. Yet they'll add hundreds of cars that are completely useless to Motorsport which would actually make since in Horizon because it's not as serious. No one will ever seriously race in a Raptor on Motorsport.
Unless their bored and they want to mess around with some random car like the raptor
Play inicial d arcade stage and finish the story. The second and third are simple but difficult to master. Wangang Maximun tune 5 it also other Game with simplistic base Game with fun mechanics to brake check, push traffic, block pasasses, It depend more in reflexes and short strategy. It sad that was only arcade only games (need more ports).
I been thinking that shit for years. I would like everything on forza motorsports games like all the tracks and the way the cars drive but also have an open world to drive around like the horizon games.that would be the best outcome for forza series I feel.
I didn't even notice this was Raymond! Great video!
Generally the less precision of input it requires, the less emergent chaos there is in a simulation, the more "arcade" it is.
Its abstraction.
Its making the basic instruments of control easier to utilize, so that more complex challanges can be regularly presented for the sake of spectacle.
There is absolutely no reason you couldnt drive a corckscrew or loodeloop in an F1 game, or BeamNG, but that it is a lot easier to fail at it, to the point where consistently doing so for 20 turns, by 20 drivers, whilst jockeying for position with each other is unfeasable.
So basically arcade games are roo simple to be worth playing on a traditional track, and aims are too difficult to succesfully race an arcade track.
I like something like the F1 games from Codemasters. Enough sim elements in it that it requires a decent amount of skill and strategy to do well, but arcade enough to where one or two not so minor mistakes don't completely take away your chances of still coming back to win and the damage physics are a bit more forgiving.
Also, I don't really like the driver communities of the ultra sim and ultra arcade games. Sim guys take things way too seriously and forget that they were an accident prone newb at one point. And the ultra arcade crowd don't seem to take online competitions seriously enough and will just plow through anyone or everyone if they know their race is over because they know they won't get banned from it.
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I think there should be a forza game like fh3 but have all the fm7 tracks Some were in the world. Drive up to it and start the race. Then you could get the best of both worlds even though fm7 doesn’t have much to offer any how.
fm7 is sadly nothing like a real racing simulator, but a good stepping stone in to real simulators, like iRacing
@@jonanolakers1567 it is a good stepping stone from what?
Jona Nolåkers i mean forza is more..sim-cade.
Forza 7 is not that realistic really.
@@jonanolakers1567 then there is no "real racing simulators" because there are no games that kills you if you crash at 300km/h against a tree.
Why even bother with realism
*Hey i am trying to eacape real world here by playing video games*
Please dont be a *"It depends what kind of racer you are"* kind of answer.
Arcade racers should still have a place in today's generation, they are still fun, just as long as they are developed right. if you ask me, I wanna see a spiritual successor to Black Box's NFS Hot Pursuit 2(best simcade racer ever, nothing like it), or Rush 2049 from Atari Games(Physics are phenomenal and fun! I dont care if its realistic or fakey, it was just dynamic and fun to mess with) I'm still very bummed to this day that arcade racers never get the respect it deserved as it did back then! Don't get me wrong, I enjoy sims, too.
I think that Racing Games should have 2 Modes 'Simulation' & 'Arcade', which would change physics, graphics etc...
Also, I kinda agree with you, all tho I'm on the middle (*starts to sing that song*), because, as you said, Sim Games can't give a story that is as good as Arcade Games..
Nice video btw :)
I agree and disagree.
it would sadly be hard to imploment in too a game. you would have to have two separate lobbies, wich would make the game more complicated and bad running. otherwise some kid will always nitrus-powersliding past you, taking hairpins at 100+ mph.
gran turismo 1 is actually like this
your underrated this vid was rlly good
0:49 Prep for...Ditch-Vision! [Tree-Vision too]
The reason most people play games in the first place is to escape from real life, to immerse themselves into a world which they know can never exist for them, but the idea, the concept of it is what draws them to it, so no matter what sort of game it is, whether it is a Racing Sim to Call of Duty, people play to escape.
Sim racers can play both genres but arcade players cannot
very true, i play both fh4, for the cars, and raceroom, for the challenge, and realism
an arcade racer would just ragequit the sim because you cant full throttle a high end racecar in first
@@jonanolakers1567 forza, realism
mmmm yes totally
Agreed
@@jonanolakers1567 ikr
They said (at the time) that shift was the most realistic simulation racer ever. That's start did it for me, because when I'm driving my car down the road it totally hits the gas and brakes for my if i follow the glowing arrows and if i dip a tire or two into the gravel shoulder it definitely slows me down quicker than the brakes and i can't go faster than 35mph without all four tires on the pavement. That's totally realistic. Games where you slide around on dirt and can exceed the speed limit of a school zone when children are present, that's totally fantastical. Right.
Wow, I just missed the entire video complaining about a game i played for twenty minutes a decade ago and returned the same day. I need to let it go already...
When you hit the nitrous, you gain traction. Totally real, yo.
Sim racer and acade racer are both great in they own way both have pros and cons, its all about players experience. I prefer acade racer because I got used to that style of play since ps1 and I enjoy it simplicity, without the confusion of Sim racers games
I would love to see a Cart racer with realistic physicks or a blend between arcade and simulation.
Imagine Mario cart and you have to be easy on the trottle so you don't spinn out. Or that you have to do the jumps and bumps right so you don't fall tilt over.
Kartkraft
What if there was a game line that had its own special parts, and combining them would be like combining the games, and if you combine all of them, you get the ultimate experience?
Maybe?
Trackmania Nations forever is an arcade game but there you can better find the best driver than in some Sim games
We have an outstanding warrant for your arrest for the abuse of the English language.
Sadly sim racers can’t have that open world goofiness you’re talking about. Forza horizon for example, that game is grade A trash solely because of the players and what it’s become. Dirty drivers, cheaters, the whole deal. When a sim crosses that line wanting to be an arcade game, players will treat the game accordingly thus ruining the game.
Sim driving games like BeamNG could be so fun, but lack the power to execute their potential, with only the community making content on it, it's hard to keep coming back to Beam NG
cept i have 15x more time in beamNG than F7 lmao
Beamng is like GMOD or TDU, It's up to you to make It fun
@@kagenlim5271 but it isn't branching off from a game mod and becoming its own thing, it started out as a blank canvas without a prior main game
@@falcongamer58 I should know, cause I was one of the original backers of the game well before It came on Steam (I still have the original alpha build on my old computer). I usually have fun just messing around, especially trying to drive around traffic on custom maps like Nevada with my custom 180sx or getting into a mountain chase with ten police cars
I am mostly a simcade guy, but i am actually getting the hang of BeamNG in Dualshock 4, I learnt cornering and braking from GT. AI keeps on commiting suicide tho
wow man, made my life...
nice one, subscribed...keep'em comin...
What racing game is in this video? I miss the Daytona USA and Ridge Racer series. The Burnouts were a cool substitute.
Iv tried both types of games. I just find arcade more exhilarating and thus more enjoyable.
tbh no one can just try sim racing. you need moths to get a hang of it then you can judge which one is more fun
To me driving in Forza Motorsport 7 feels a lot more intuitive than other Sims or Simcades. I drive cars on daily basis and that's how I want my game to feel. If I can't take a rather long and somewhat tight corner at 30mph like I do in real life then I don't like to play it, yes looking at you assetto corsa.
If we get a new burnout in style of revenge, with the physics model of paradise, and the crash mode of revenge, and containing some vehicle modification like Need For Speed Heat, I would be amazed
With modifications ?!
That’s brutal!
@@Revengilate I mean like body mods. Spoilers, body kits, spoilers, rim's, tires, all that stuff
@@zynet_eseled i know
I play both arcade and simulation. I play GT Sport and NFS 2015, both really good games.
Whats the simulation tho
Those are Arcade-ish racing games, not simulations
Gt sport is a simcade. Try pc2
GT Sport is not simulation. iRacing,Raceroom and rFactor are sims.
イ入 Asdrion TM I don’t understand why people still think gt is simcade
i played gt sport so much that when i went back to gta v driving , it was hard to control lol
Juiced had a great multiplayer for me cause you could race for pinks. I had so much fun back in the day with those races
Have you played Ridge Racer 7? That's the peak of arcade racing game.
I've only played RR 6. Never released RR 7 on the Xbox 360.
@@markweatherall7437 Well, it's in PS3. The online server is on and deadly. Especially in Asia server.
Tbh both have their pros and cons
Sim racing is costly. Arcade racing you can play on your grandma’s tv. but once your palms get addicted to the FFB, you will sell your grandma’s kidney to play sim racing.
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THE CREW 2!!!!!!
Yes i love unique driving model of it and map that is huge .. some people trash it say its shit... its a game with unique driving model that is arcady
Its fun and it works when you get used to it .It takes time in the beginning tho
Today in school there was somebody insisting Forza had so much better physics and Assetto would be really really bad...
Assetto is Sim and Forza Arcade but he insisted Forza would be a Sim better that Assetto in every way... he pretty much said Assetto is bad as the worst mobile racing game...
I think crew 2 should be remade to look better as it would be really good
Hey Raymond. I love your insight on things like this. Your a really smart dude! i Agree you have a valid poin. I have not had much oppertunity to play online in games, but the small bit i had was insane. I sucked, but it was more fun thatn racing against even the hardest drivatars. When i get around to getting Live gold, I'd really love to play with you man :-)
It’s a shame no game is perfect
As time goes on we can only hope they get closer.
I feel like games will get worst as the big titles will die and new titles will come in and the franchise could potentially die as so many people now play Fortnite or PUBG
If all games were perfect then there would be no happiness of glitches and those little cheats u get of those 20second videos
cept assetto corsa with all DLC's and choice mods :D
Pes is complete
You ain't playing Forza 7 as a sim if you don't have it on 'sim' steering mode and no assists
@Flightstuff how
@Flightstuff beamng is unmatched
The problem is in your wording a simulator is by no means a game, but a game is a simulator with added objectives Currency use etc, it’s not subcategorized by “games” either, a sim is a sim and a game is a game. Just like a square is a rectangle but a rectangle isn’t a square.
4:34-4:36 And Mario Kart Tour in the Arcade side of things.
Arcade : How fast can you turn?
Sim : How smoothly can you brake?
The first 3:24 minutes were chilly af. I did not even noticed that I just slept in.
I mostly watch these videos so i might find some good racing gamee mentioned here lmao
Grand Theft Auto already using elements of arcade racing and sim racing.
I have a sim rig and regularly run WRC8, AC, Raceroom etc. But I have a few arcade racers too for the wife and 8 year old kid to play around on. Neither have the patience for proper sims.
arcade driving games need to calm down seriously , with all the nitro boosts and flying over buildings and stuff, arcade should be a mode where a player just drives with some similarity to a real car but also not entirely realistic, where as sim is just realistic
Forza Horizon 4 should have a simulation Mode :(
It does
It does, and to be fair, with all assists off and manual mode, it's way more fun. The "normal" mode is a bit boring in my humble opinion, smash the throttle on a very fast car, brake when a corner shows up, don't care.
Without assists, more than half throttle will spin the wheels in thrid gear in some cars, and you have to really feel the brakes with the vibrating triggers to avoid locking up, being aware of the downforce depending on your speed, all that while managing gearing.
The physics are toned down in this game, but the underlying physics engine is actually excellent. You can even see the wings of cars bending with the aerodynamic simulation (It's the engine they based Flight Simulator on from hat i've read).
It's still a bit simplistic compared to a real sim, but it's way more engaging and enjoyable, even on a gamepad.
Arcade racers if you like racing games, simracers if you like driving. There's no saying you can't like both, but they don't really occupy the same space on the market, it's like comparing splatoon and arma because they are both technically shooting games.
I loved payback i just wish it was more of a sim, i also dont like that sims dont have much flexibility cause thats kinda takes away from the simulation, you realistically would be able to streetrace and stuff, but i think they are both realistic. Even nfs payback is realistic (obv not in alot of ways) but the handlinn and stuff and street racing is pretty good
I play arcade racers, to follow a racing line.
First!!!
Ray-Vision lol👌
cant argue with that ;)
Ray-Vision cheater.
Thx for the like that meant a lof
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For me.. The difference between sim and arcade race just physic.. Other just same.. Physic it abig deal between fun and dream
I have both Forza and Assetto Corsa....I don't play Forza no more. Going through a gas station full throttle and come out the other end not totalled is kinda kiddish. I want the on the edge nervous feeling of not crashing because I'll be out of the race realism. But that's just my preference
forza horizon??? or forza motorsport?
I prefer sim racing. Because alot of players are more mature and can handle critique (rfactor for example) and doesn’t ram as much. But it depends on what type of game
Ok. What about Forza series?
Serkan Karatepe it’s a arcade game. Even the motorsport series.
Nah man, Sim racing community has a huuuge stick up their ass i don't know what for. In some ways it's a good thing (i.e. when racing online, etiquette must be maintained, no ramming etc.) but in other ways it's a really bad thing because a vocal minority of these people are so immersed in sim racing, they automatically equate arcade racing games as shit games. This kinda sim racing fanboyism turns off new players and i think that's mainly a reason why sim racing is a niche even today, even with some sim racing games having better and more lifelike graphics and sounds than 99% of all the other games on the market, genre no bar.
Why forza became arcade
As a fan of motorsport games🎮 i love😍: arcade, simulator, simcade
true, racing games are a lot more fun in multiplayer, thats why even gta online races is more enjoyable than NFS.
I feel like when you switch to simulation mode in forza horizon series it should switch the whole driving system to motorsport tighter steering running out of gas if you dont go to the festival or home the Aventador will jerk due to its single sequential clutch and the engines from forza horizon series all sound copy and pasted the v12 in motorsports really comes to life
sure arcade games are cool too bad most of them have awful control and driving
Raymond is Forza 7 really that bad. I actually had allot of fun playing it.
I'm not saying it's a bad game in this video I am just stating what I would like to see in the future to build on it.
Ray-Vision yea definantly . Would you say that Forza Motorsport is the best sim experience for the Xbox?
Anthony Hauser if you want the closest racing game to reality in terms of physics, get Asseto Corsa on Xbox One, or Forza 7 if you're all about graphics and content but less complex physics
Sims on weeks and arcade on weekends
Is not cool as a driver you play a arcade game and the life kick your teeths when you get a real car.
After you play a sim like project cars 2 arcade racing look like a joke , not challenge on aspects how you drive.
But the only good thing about pure sims are the realistic physics which is an absolute chore instead of fun (how games should be) Literally everything else about pure sims are a complete borefest. play any arcade or Sim Cade racing game and put the difficulty all the way up and I guarantee you won't say it's a joke.
Totally agree with everything! They should listen to you!
Simulation racing games are just more tedious versions of F-Zero. :)
The best game is the one with the perfect balance for you. You cant play a 100% simulation race game without feeling the g forces and to have that kind of equipment in your house. i doubt it.
For example need for speed (arcade type) has some tittles that have a good balance between aracde and simulation like NFS: pro street and NFS; shift series. The other ones like hot pursuit series began with NFS Undercover and those are just arcade history games.
Right now i play TrackMania, why? because i can emulate the track near my house and practice it lol.
With that being said, all race games with a steering wheel will help to anyone to practice racing. Of course each type of game for each type of player lvl.
I bet proffesional still can learn and practice things in Gran Turismo 5.
what if real simulators, such as project cars, assetto corsa, raceroom or even iRacing could have open world and good car lists and customization, de dream!
Typically arcade games have a more numerous set of skill ceilings to be explored per game on avg. Take Quakeworld for example and how much stuff there is there to master. Reality should be seen as chains in a design space. Chains we can relate to, but chains nonetheless. Typically mechanical ability is a very boring skill to pedestalize. And the tryhards put wayyyyy too much emphasis on it. Decision making ability SHOULD be pedestalized more. Dota 2 is fun to watch, and tactical decisions matter so much more to an analysis of depth.
One more thing competition is a status game. All men are in a competition with each other whether they know this or not. A thing that more closely mimics reality rewards more status based on that fact alone. Therefore reality-based games are often created BASED on this status reward and typically draws the attention of those not wanting to be called a gamer, but wanting to be seen as a wrecker of men. Unbeknownst to the architects. That's why arcade games aren't as competition heavy.
Of course raymond wants ditches
Watching this video I am assuming you think Forza 7 is a sim? Okay weird
Why are clowns like you so pained about FM7 being called Sim or not. It's just a bloody game none are Simulators 😂
@@kak8895 You seem more "pained" about my comment then what I was when I wrote it. I can easily ask why you are so bothered about a strangers view of Forza? I get its a game and just a racing game but also remember this is a TH-cam video titled "simulation racers vs arcade racers" and forza 7 doesn't go out to be as realistic as it can but rather allow forgiving controls to be appealing to larger audiences. If you play Forza and like playing it great, good for you it's zero skin of my nose. I played the hell out of crazy taxi when I was younger and liked it but also don't consider that a taxi simulator.
Not ramen logic
A new NFS in Bayview and the same handling.
i would pay 100€ for it
I don't own Forza Horizon 3. But it looked really cool with the hot wheels tracks.
And I hope thers comes more arkade like tracks in the future in simulation games. Whether they have loops, surreal environments or both.
I think wreckfeast has some really interesting tracks. Especially the rainbow road from Nintendo 64. But I don't know how fun that whas to drive on since I don't own the game. And it looked really chaotic. Hehe.
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Thers two things I whant to see in a simulation game. First a game mode where all the cars are half the scale so they drive like giant radiocars. And the track becomes bigger for them. And all physic change. I guess its more like go cart then. The idea is to make the cars easier to drive and track bigger. A bit like arcade. But still have that simulation feel.
And the other mode is to have unlimited cars in a race. Would be much caos. Maybe 50-100 cars in one race. Just for fun. (edit: I come to think thers actually a nascar multiplayer game that has this. Dont remember the name. And thers probably more of them. Really cool.)
Thats my thoughts.
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And finnaly trackmania needs a game mode where the cars can pull each other. Not so much that they spinn out. But at least you can crash in them block them or race more like a normal race.
I would like both modes I think.
They have this a bit in Track mania Turbo: Single screen mode.
Im you from the future. And that's a lot of text!
Anyway good points. Probably modders already did some of this.
I cant play arcade racing games
what game you showed in video 3.38
Forza Motorsport 7, I think.
way to only show arcade games, normie
I'm thinking about what racing game I could make\want to play, it'd be the most balls to the wall thing I can come up with, like, Burnout: Blood Dragon or something, I'd like to have a driving physics that is unrealistic to give power to the player, with the left stick when air born you could perform tricks to built momentum and stuff, the tires stick to the track really well but you can engage drift mode and start skidding around even in straight lines a the cost of a mumentum based systems where you risk losing controll at any moment if your not careful, the most basic damage model possible, a health bar and explosions, you could use your health as nitro like in F-Zero, slip stream would have a slingshot effect giving you lost of momentum but makinh your own slip stream much stronger and stuff, I'd like it to be easy to pick up and then hard to master with skill based tracks and multiplayer.
simulation every single time, even single-mode, practice makes perfect,,,,,
I agree
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I HAVE GT SPORT..and its a beautiful game...but...it offers the same sleepy boring real world tracks that always made gt a sometimey fum kind of experience. Arcade games have better looking tracks which are more fun to look at and experience...but the cartoony driving..your mustang can beat my Bugatti on a straight...you can never lose the cops no matter how well you drive...cause they have three times the speed and capability...and nitros...I hate nitros...fire shooting out the exhaust...and having to drift around every corner...and its considered a turn. Arcade racers are not for competitive gamers. Need 4 speed has been out for a long time...and it was fun in the early days...then they changed the platform to the dueschy story modes...ricer cars and drifting...goodbye nfs….now...there is only gt sport....and eventually it will bore me o death.
gran tursimo sport physics suck for me
Forza still isn’t sim
@@raidwaves and hopefully it stays that way 👍
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