Without any doubt, this channel is so underrated and yet one of the best youtube channels out there. Immensely enjoyed the video with coffee, snacks, beef jerky and some more coffee lol. Time and time again, 10mm proves itself to be the best mm out there and this video clearly demonstrates that simple truth. Of course they're all deadly calibers as even 22LR kills, but hitting a charging bear with 10mm will ruin its day real fast.
@@AlaskanBallistics Yes, will definitely try to do some more sharing and recommendations when I comment on other channels. If more people knew what an amazing channel and incredibly informative and educational channel you're running they'd be flocking here in queuing lines.
Another great test, very enlightening. These rounds are designed to cause damage from the cavitation created by the cutouts in the sides of the bullet. Gel tests I've seen show some good size wound channels for these rounds, but the 10mm is, as you said, the King. The wound channels from the 10 are pretty impressive. These are deep penetrators, so you need to be very aware of your surroundings, especially innocent bystanders! Thanks again for your valuable efforts. Much appreciated!
The "bullet jacket" material you pointed out is actually aluminum that was picked up from the the griddle when the SOLID COPPER XP bullets passed through it.
Great video, congratulations! I am a police officer in Brazil and I always walk with my .40 s & w in the waist, here are few like the agencies of police of use to 9mm being more used by the departments of bureaucratic police, those that work more inside an office with papers, I know that at 9mm Your benefits but at the moment I would not change my .40 s & w by 9mm. Returning to the video I think it was missing 357 SIG for the comparison I consider an excellent goat. Thank you and sorry for my poor english!
Maycon tudo bem? É verdade que as munições CBC Gold da 40 S&W é ruim de penetração? Porque vejo varios reclamando disso, mas alguns policiais que conversei e falaram que funciona bem sim, pergunto porque vou tirar meu CR e estou em duvida entre 9mm e 40, e sei que o 9mm com a munição +P fica com mais energia mais tambem sei que fica com o recuo da 40, então preferiria a 40 pelo impacto dela e sei que causa mais ferimentos no agressor, se eu pudesse eu importaria as Federal HST 180 grains, mas como é complicado e burocratico teria que usar a CBC mesmo, hoje tenho uma 380 e uso só ogival porque sei que a 380 tem pouca penetração e pontas oca, abraço e obrigado.
Tudo bem , Cleber ! Então , a 9mm é um bom calibre , muito controlável e ha relatos de um menor desgaste na arma , não sei se procede , mas ha lógica ... Enfim , a CBC Gold de 155 grains , tem , sim , uma boa penetração . Já ouvi relatos de que o calibre não teria penetrado o suficiente , que teria ficado alojado no crânio , não transfixando o mesmo e blá,blá,blá ... Acredito em tais relatos, entretanto tenho convicção de que os cartuchos que apresentaram tais ocorrências sofreram algum tipo de mau uso de conservação e alguns cuidados de garantia, como : propelentes contaminados por agentes externos, óleos lubrificantes e outros derivados. Já presenciei armas de colegas policias encharcadas com óleos, e pasme!´´GRAXA´´ ! Isso mesmo , graxa, o polícia parece que mergulha a arma no óleo ou enche a mesma com graxa . É difícil de acreditar , mas tem muito policial sem noção , amigo ! Com isso , se houver uma contaminação na pólvora ( propelente ) a mesma perderá sua eficácia , e lógico , menor energia potencial , consequentemente menor velocidade do projétil ,menor egérnia cinética , a depender da contaminação ,a munição não irá cumprir seu papel . Têm relatos de projéteis onde a munição sofreu contaminação e o projétil ficou preso no cano da arma , ou seja , dependendo vai bater no tórax do agente ameaçador e vai cair ao solo , pois não terá energia suficiente para romper o tecido ou quebrar ossos , resumindo tudo isso , a CBC Gold penetra muito bem no tecido humano , com excelência em penetração para as pontas planas de 180 grains . Agora a 9mm é muito boa , pode ir tranquilo , tenho amigos na POLÍCIA FEDERAL que afirmam que no máximo disparam duas vezes em um agressor para cessar o confronto . Aqui em Minas Gerais , um PM ao adentrar em uma residência para cumprimento de MB teria sido atacado por um cão de grande porte , vindo o mesmo a disparar duas vezes no animal com munição CBC de 135 grains , o cão perdeu massa óssea , hoje anda pulando com um pata dianteira , mas não veio a óbito , e um dos projéteis teria ficado alojado , sendo retido em uma cirurgia pelo veterinário , somente um projétil teria transfixado. Acredito que a .40s&w vai fazer mais dano que a 9mm , mas acho que essa diferença não será distante , sou PC em Minas e tenho 11 anos que utilizo uma .40 s&w , já me acostumei , mas como eu disse a 9mm é muio boa também , aí a escolha é com você .... kkkk Boa sorte aí na aquisição , tudo de bom , Cleber !
@@carolinepires6786 Obrigado pelo rapido retorno, atirei de 9mm com munição da CBC 124 grains ogival, tem um recuo muito parecido com a 380, mas a pergunta é: com a munição +P ou +P+ para obter energia proxima a do .40 S&W o recuo não vai se aproximar da 40 S&W? Ja vi comentarios que sim e isso perde a vantagem da 9mm em questão recuperação de visada e ainda com menos energia que a 40 S&W. Outra questão é as ponta ocas se atirar atraves de um para-brisas ele vai chegar ao alvo com energia suficiente para penetrar? Ja fiz com minha 380 em uma geladeira bem antiga e com um metal bem resistente e as três da CBC ogival, ponta oca +P e Gold Hex atravessam os dois lados e pararam em uma parede de tijolo vermelho e reboco, sendo que deixou uma marca de uns 3mm no roboco e as duas ponta ocas com expansão total, esses dias perto de onde eu moro um dono de uma pizzaria atirou contra um rapaz ( confundido com ladrão, infelizmente ) e estava de blusa de frio, e foi atingido com um disparo de munição expansiva de 380 e fraturou a costela lateralmente e veio a falecer, mas uso na minha apenas ogival, pois falam pela pouca energia em 380 é mais viavel a ogival para permanecer a penetração. Desculpe o incomodo e tantas pergunta rsrsrs abraço.
Bom dia , Cleber ! Tenho um amigo que é CAC e possui uma G17 , já atirei com a arma dele diversas vezes com o calibre de 115 grains +p+ da CBC , e não vou negar que o recuo aumenta em relação a ogival de 124 grains , já que a primeira por ter maior quantidade de propelente terá maior velocidade , fato ! Mas não chegou a ser uma .40S&W em questão de recuo , ainda assim eu sinto diferença no recuo e estampido maior na .40 S&W, mas não tão distante uma para outra . Talvez com munições importadas como 124 Grains +p+ da Buffalo Bore com velocidade de 1300 pés por segundo chegue perto em recuo da .40S&W, não sei , apenas uma sugestão . já que nunca atirei com tal munição. Por exemplo , os norte americanos relatam de a 357 SIG tem recuo levemente maior que a .40S&W , é uma 9mm magnum , praticamente ... Acompanho diversos canais aqui no youtube e sempre leio os comentário e diversos policiais estuais que foram forçados a retornarem para a 9mm luger admitiram portar também uma .40S&W como arma secundaria com a alegação de desconfiança em eficiência da 9mm luger , talvez seja algo na cabeça da pessoa , não sei , já que nos comentários não houveram experiências de combates mal sucedidos com a 9mm luger por estes . Com relação a para-brisas com disparos de munições expansivas a mesma terá comportamento errático , podendo não se expandir , podendo fragmentar e afins , munição expansiva pode sofrer entupimento do projétil , ocasionando perda da eficácia , elas se comportam igualmente , é por isso que eu gosto da ponta plana de 180 Grains .Se ainda estiver com alguma dúvida talvez esse cara possa lhe ajudar . th-cam.com/video/LTTDgZZZFa0/w-d-xo.html Aqui vai um demostrativo de munição contaminada : th-cam.com/video/ujrdZrPmuHY/w-d-xo.html Forte abraço !!!
Underwood loaded ammo is my favorite too. The extreme series from Lehigh or Gold Dots/Nosler/Golden Saber are all projectiles that definitely perform better with a little hotter velocities.
@@AlaskanBallistics I think they look like a Black Talon round in gel, like a star.. I saw a video, but don't remember the caliber. Mine are 174gr 1050fps, the extremes are120gr 1420fps. I edc a G 21 (use to own the G 30 though) w/ 1 extra mag of extreme, 1 of maximum. Would like to see a comparison vid though.
@@TheRealZJE313 all of these helpers suffer due to short barrels, the difference is .45 is already such a fat and slow round that it is very hard to encourage it enough to keep up, diameter isn’t everything
This was a really cool test, actually doing this research to figure out what would be the best carry caliber out of my current available options for when I go to Alaska in a few months 🤣🤣 exactly the test I was looking for thanks for the work
Thanks for the video. It just confirmed my decision to ALWAYS carry my 10mm when in the woods or back country. My personal choice is the Springfield Armory XDm.
Thank you for doing this detailed side-by-side comparison with the kind of stock, semi-automatic pistols that most of us actually own/carry. May I make a suggestion? Throughout the video, you are scientifically rigorous (e.g. multiple chronographed shots out of similar barrel lengths), methodical (e.g. laying out each and every round and each and every firearm prior to testing), and your attention-to-detail is simply phenomenal (e.g. calculating the standard deviation , which I've never seen before out of hundreds of ballistics videos). But then at the very end, you guesstimate penetration, which is by far the most imprecise part of this evaluation. Perhaps it would be possible to repeat the study with a different bullet backstop?
Brother, I know this vid is months old now, but watching this one and reading the comments is what got me to finally get off my butt and join Patreon. For your channel. Keep on keeping it real for us.
Great test! I have carried Federal HST 230 grain + P in my full frame Sig Sauer P 220 for years. 7 of us here in SLC, UT now carry the Underwood Extreme Defender 120 grain 45 caliber round. Five (including myself) have a full frame, and two carry a Compact 45 caliber pistol. It would be great to see a Paul Harrell type "meat test".
I've got to try the xtreme defender. I bought some bullets for handloading and we're going to load those 120gr xtreme defenders into .45 Super and .460 Rowland.
Extreme Defenders are the s*it as they are better suited for bipedal predators - as opposed to wild animals lol! 10 mm will be great....someday if you could do 120gr 45 cal that would be FANTASTIC! Anyway thanks for any Defender instead of the Penetrator.....
Chuck, aside from ejecting and feeding, the spring set up will not do anything to improve or diminish the capabilies of a cartridge. The combustion is the same regardless of what springs you use. Ref: @5.04. Edited to show that I'm actually wrong making this statement. A better lockup created by a stronger spring creates better ignition and more speed as Chuck explains below.
I know it's 3 years later but just a tip- "du01" on the Caldwell means "1st duplicate", as in the velocity is the same as the previous round, because otherwise you wouldn't see the number change and think the shot didn't register. "du02" would mean the 3rd consecutive identical reading, etc. Got one myself last year and had Xtreme Defender +P 65gr 9mm clocking at 1800fps out of my P320 carry length. I'd reckon squeezing every bit of velocity out is even more important with these fluted bullets
Or Chuke got bear blood and drool all over that old batch of XPs, where it dried up and caused extra friction in your G29 barrel. Why, I'm surprised it fed and fired at all!
The Glock 21 would've done better for obvious reasons! My edc is a Glock 30 that's .45 super capable but the barrel is too short honestly to get the most out of .45 super rounds! Great video 👍!
@@AlaskanBallistics I just bought a new gen 4 Glock 21 and an alpha Wolf 6.6" barrel two weeks ago! I'm building a PCC/PDW... can't wait to get it finished! Your videos are very informative...many thanks!
Just picked up a box of the 10mm because I'm heading out to some empty areas in TX. glad to know that should I run into hogzilla this will do well to keep me safe.
interesting how underwood (and everyone else too) puts out +p for the 9 and 45 but only a medium load for the 40. could be pushing 1500 without going +p. and that shows how even the 10 was loaded low too
@@AlaskanBallistics ive been reloading 40 for about 25 years and never had any pressure or gun issues. those problems are typically glock related. i have a cz and there are no issues. if the weapon cannot handle saami spec loads then it is a faulty and bad weapon. 35k psi in a 40 is just like 35k psi in a 9
@@AlaskanBallistics dont know what to tell you. factory ammo? sounds like multiple gun failures, though not impossible to get a bad factory load. reloads? stay away from whoever is making them. none of the 20+ people i shoot with have ever seen a kb irl. either way its not the caliber, its a faulty weapon or a bad load
Maybe they do... but ball and hardcast or Xtreme Penetrators are different and the meat target doesn't simulate anything hard like the skull of a big grizzly bear.
I wouldn't be surprised to see some departments switch back to .40 in a few years. 9mm is great, but the switch was partly politically motivated. As in PC.
@@rob10ring The 40cal was honestly a mistake/failed experiment and just wasted taxpayer money. Dont get me wrong I own one and love it but I understand why law enforcement would move back to the 9mm.
They are switching to 9mm because shooting stats havnt shown any improvement in lethality with the 40. With any pistol caliber it's shot placement not caliber. Pistol rounds just don't do the damage if you don't hit a vital organ
I use a g22 for home defense. I don't need to disintegrate an armed intruder. No 10mm for me, i have to prove to the cops that a person was there lol..good video!
So I guess you just want him dead Dead, and not dead Dead DEAD! "As coroner, I must aver I thoroughly examined her And she's not only merely dead-- She's really most sincerely dead!"
ACTUALLY NO! 22 CALIBER IS NOT SUFFICIENT ENOUGH TO STOP ANYONE! UNLESS? YOU SHOOT THEM CENTER IN THE HEAD! 22 CALIBER WOULD NEVER MAKE IT THROUGH CLOTHING, MUSCLE, BONE, AND INTO A BODY ORGAN FAST OR HARD ENOUGH TO MAKE THAT PERSON FULL OF ADRENALINE STOP BEFORE HURTING YOU OR SOMEONE YOU LOVE! ATLEAST A 38+P CALIBER. BUT FOR ALL THE EXPENSE OF THAT? YOU WOULD BE MUCH BETTER OFF WITH A GREAT 9mm HANDGUN LIKE THE GLOCK 45. WHICH IS A MAGICAL 9mm WITH A 17+1 STANDARD MAGAZINE CAPACITY!!!! AND ALSO, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO SHOOT TO KILL ANYONE! YOU CAN VERY EFFECTIVELY STOP ANYONE WITH WELL PLACED SHOTS TO EITHER OR BOTH SHOULDERS!! THAT WILL SEVERELY DAMAGE THE ROTATOR CUFF AND DISABLE THE USE OF THEIR ARMS! ( NO ARMS? NO ATTACK! ) OR YOU CAN SHOOT DIRECT IN EITHER OR BOTH OF THE KNEES!! THIS WILL INSTANTLY DROP ANYONE! ( BUT THEY STILL MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE THEIR HANDS AND TRY TO USE A GUN ON YOU! MOST OF THE TIME THEY WOULD BE IN TOO MUCH PAIN TO TRY THOUGH, BUT YOU NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT JUST IN CASE ) OR, YOU CAN SHOOT EITHER OR BOTH SHINS WITH OR WITHOUT SHOOTING THE KNEES! AND THAT WILL ALSO DROP ANYONE INSTANTLY! *** NOTE!!! IF YOU SHOT THESE SHOTS TO THESE PLACES I AM TELLING YOU ABOUT WITH A 22 CALIBER BULLET? EVEN SEVERAL OF THOSE BULLETS TO THESE AREAS MIGHT NOT STOP THE ATTACKER! BUT ANY CALIBER OF 9mm OR ABOVE WILL! 38+p CALIBERS WILL TOO. BUT!! WITH THE 38 YOU HAVE TO GET A REVOLVER, WITH ONLY 6-7 ROUND CAPACITY!! AND THE PLUS P AMMO, AND FOR ALL THAT EXPENSE?? YOU WILL BE FAR BETTER SERVED AND PROTECTED, WITH A GLOCK 9mm! BUT YOU MUST PRACTICE ALSO!
Is that really the lightest Underwood Extreme Penetrator .45 round they make? To be truly competitive in this test they would need to produce a .45 more like a 165gr @ 1300fps I just discovered that they make a 120gr x 1320fps .45 - that might have been better for your test. - That 10mm - WOW, nearly 700lbs energy - I like!
I totally agree, but that's the lightest and only xtreme penetrator they make in .45. In a few weeks I have 10mm vs. 45 super xtreme penetrators coming up. As you can imagine, same problem, though typically 10mm gets stomped by .45 super.
I load my own Lehigh, Makers t-rex for rifles. I'm going to load some 85 gn .308 in my 7.62X25 for my Tokarev M-57 Yogosavian M-57 copy. I hope to get 1600 FPS I hope I don't crack the slide I'm. Going to work up loads from the slowest and up from there I will do a video of it.. happy Shooting
Nice to see the 40cal had better pentration the the 9mm and the 45.rite now my cc is a ruger sr40 and recently bought a box of the extreme defender in hopes that they'll be my go to carry round.plan on doing my own test very soon just debating on whether or not I want to buy some level 2 body armor to see if the 40cal round can defeat the armor like the 9mm+p+ round can.
The 45 auto was pretty underwhelming for an Underwood +P loading. It kind of defeats the point of using the Xtreme Penetrator in the 45 auto. By the way, what's the difference in barrel lengths between the Shield and the P239? The difference in velocity between those two is fairly significant.
We've learned a great deal about .40 ammunition since I purchased my first one, a G35, for IPSC comps back in 2005. It's crazy how the .40 is pushing up on the 10mm with modern, off the shelf ammo.
Hmmm....that 10mm....thought these were monolythic solid copper.....also, never saw an underwood X Pen 45acp score in the 800's through a chronograph.....sometin' aint right there.....omo.
@@AlaskanBallistics I've put up a couple videos ..I have a better camera now I'm learning to use so more videos in the future!! The military arms channel did I review on them quite a while back gel tests pretty Awesome bullets
The 45's performance was disappointing. I was hoping it would do better, if only to justify to myself, putting off the purchase of a new woods gun a bit longer. My wife's going to be saddling me with an Garmin Inreach mini, so the new handgun purchase is being put off a bit longer. A couple weeks ago though, a little fall into a river had me reflecting on what woods gun I'd actually be getting. I've always just assumed 10MM, however, my dumbass slipping, and falling into a river of spring runoff, and the ensuing magazine AND handgun cleaning afterwords, has me considering a revolver over an autoloader. Within 5 days, I already had rust starting to form on the magazine springs. I suppose I should have taken them apart the same day i took a seat in a river. Another thing with a revolver is no bullet set back. Hardcast ammo can be hard to come by, and It's like I'm slowly bleeding ammo due to bullet set back. Not a problem with a revolver, but the big con to a revolver is 6 shots and a slow ass reload.
Revolvers can jump crimp. Glocks are pretty good, as far as rust. Better than most. They are easy to completely disassemble and in a pinch you can just blast them with Ballistol, until you can get a more serious cleaning in. When training some military guys, Chuck Taylor purposely left his Glock on the bottom of the ocean and retrieved it 6 mos later, none worse for wear. All that, and revolvers still rust too, and they're harder too get to the inside.
Late comment, but I'll stick with the 45. For bear nothing less than a 44 mag in my hands. Very good video. If you soak the paper in warm water for a bit the results may be different. Just a thought. I'd love to visit Alaska in summer. South Wisconsin is too dam cold for me in winter let alone 70-100 below where you are! Lol. DB
Ammo makers do make different loads, which can vary in their usefulness for different applications, and 10mm is no different in that regard. Defensive loads tend to be optimized for short-to-mid sized barrels, while hunting loads tend to be optimized for standard-to-long barrels. Some loads burn fast in short barrels without receiving much or even any benefit from long barrels, which indicates the powder burned fast and there's not enough powder charge to keep accelerating the projectile down the entire length of the long barrels. Other loads give off huge flashes as the bullet leaves the muzzle, and show significantly faster velocities from long barrels, indicating that there was still unburnt powder being wasted when the bullet left the short barrel.
How about doing a updated video of 40 S&W Winchester white box 180 grain JHP'S ( bonded and not bonded ) in some jell blocks , meat and different barriers just to show that the 40 and it's ammo is reliable and not going anywhere.. 👍.
@@AlaskanBallistics I think many people carry and advocate for .45s because they just think they should, ballistically it's a dog, it was designed in a time where a big FMJ hole was better than a small FMJ hole. 1911s are great guns, but if I was carrying something that big and heavy I would carry a Magnum revolver with similar capacity and MUCH more power.
I wonder how my 1911 10mm would like these... The price has always scared me from buying a test box. I know any lead cast rounds get jammed up on the ramp, and certain FMJ with "extra blunt" noses do, as well.
Might be better off fitting another barrel then. Good also to check the magazine springs. Many times they're not fast enough for the faster moving slide.
Id rather see different grain weight being compared in each caliber. Your comparable testing isnt a fair match up. Each manufacturer produces a caliber or version of an existing caliber for use within it's DESIGN PERAMITERS, not designed with your testing in mind, in fact they don'tever compare differentcalibers for testing. If the big boys don't consider comparison testing then I cant see the benefit of your results. I can look up any ballistics data for any round and compare, but its pointless. You aren't carrying two different calibers EDC!!! so you wont ever have to consider, which gun to pull out based on the level of threat. I appreciate the video and seeing the difference between each design. That is cool, thanks. Point here.... 1st. please dont say Vs. Because they aren't equal or comparable. Apples for apples not bananas. 2nd; .45 is 960fps design because it was used as a subsonic weapon. "Hush puppy " was a common name for the .45 acp. 10mm is a supersonic round, you can't compare just on those bases alone. Please compare like for like our of different guns side by side, thats cool info to make a video about, its usuful to see how each different 9mm handles the same round, etc... I know, everybody has an opinion.... your good.
To this day I can not understand the obsession with the 45 ACP round. Its such a slow moving bullet but I guess its the size of the round that gives people a false sense of security.
It’s an antiquated round for the antiquated 1911. I don’t get the obsession either. Nice piece of history and range gun, but twice the weight, half the capacity, finicky with ammo. Modern ammo and firearms have certainly surpassed the 1911 and 45acp in every regard.
Obviously, the 10mm 🏆 wins hands down. But if you're looking for extreme penitration, it's because you're thinking about killing something very big. With that in mind, I want a large caliber revolver for reliability. 41mag 44mag 45LC 454cas 500 Okay, some people can't afford another gun, & better ammunition will be helpful. But as terrific as autos are, you can only count on the one in the chamber. & besides, you only typically only get one or two shots anyway.
If your up to it I have no problem sending my Xdm 5.25 10mm to you to test or try out with the "upgrades" I have done to it. Doesn't look like much but internals been upgraded alot. I can send ya the factory parts and extra springs and such to play with. Just let me know. I w8ll glad to send it to you to play with bit I changed the front sight to a Dawson .100 fiber and haven't gotten it sighted in correctely. With default rear sight adjustemnet it's way low now amd the front sight was installed caveman style so not sure it's 100% even bit if you want to give it a shot and play with it lete know I can send it to ya with a plethora of ammo offerings.
@@AlaskanBallistics all good brother. Ypu got tje G40 or the G40 MOS? I was thinking from what everyone complains about tje 40MOS i wanted to get a regular G40 with nigjt sights and habe it milled for a MOS. I do like the aftermarket support for the Glocks. I guess the real appeal to m of the Glock 40 over my xdm5.25 is the longer barrel and the ease of putting a even longer barrel with a comp. Justmàu be me but i great up loving long slides. Maybe RoboCop and Terminator growing up made me love them but i sure have a hard on for a long slide. I would live for yoy guys to test my gun in those Alaska extreme colds.
I have the mos and it's just fine... I'm not running a dot... just bought sights... kkm barrel on the way. Check out my playlist on it. If you're in Alaska we could do several videos with your xdm
Seems like the only reason you would carry this is if your in big game areas bear, wolfs you know all that hard to put down beast. Because I don't think you would want something that would penatrate ( go through ) anything , but having a box or two wouldn't hurt , ( just encase ).
Not a Glock fan, I got a Xdm 5.25 10mm and the build is so much better than Glock. Before I got my pistol I looked at a used Glock 20 and felt cheap. Don't know what gen it was but I could feel the frame flex just gripping the thing with my baby hands. I will say the older I get my dislike of Glocks increases by the typical douche G-Lock fan baby who thinks ain't nothing as good as the austrian made plastic fantastic. I will say I am in love with the Glock 40 MOS but haven't got to handle one yet just from pics...
I will say two things I do think Glock did better was 1 factory trigger is better to me out of factory and two the metal rails on rear of frame seem beefier but not smart enough to know if it makes that much of a difference. But Xdm has metal guide rod from factory. Lol
@@AlaskanBallistics sorry for my ignorance but I don't know what BNB is. Just to be clear I'm not talking shit about Glock or hating. My carry weapon was a Glock 22 and it was bullet proof but didn't like it. Just a opinion. Just stating as a person who carried a Glock on duty and have shot many Glocks vs what I chose to purchase and daily carry now.
I would think so but I'd consult your owner's manual or call Springfield. Animals being tougher and thicker, you want a good hardcast and the buffalo bore 147gr +p would just fine for anything in the eastern half of the lower 48
Do more 45 super vids please! There’s no 45 super ballistic gel tests on TH-cam! Just sayin! I love mine! I have some underwood extreme penetrators in 45 super 200gr @ 1100 FPS (weak for a super) but I got 1230 ish and two errors and I didn’t wanna waste anymore Ammo. (I’m cheap like that) but they’re like $2 each and hard to get here.
I have some planned... but I can't ship ammo from online orders to Alaska. So I'm waiting on a local shop to get them... having some handloaded by a friend as well as maybe 185gr xtp
Seems strange that a 200 gr 45acp+P would only be listed at 1000fps. Also have you had an opportunity to shoot any critters with extreme penetrators? I’m curious how they actually perform in living tissue.
Yeah the bullet's so long, all copper so not as much room for powder. Only two shots in a black bear head with 10mm. Did good... straight through with both.. massive penetration and tissue damage
Enjoyed the video. The decimal fractions in the chronograph summary are un-supported by the precision of measurement†. It is proper to round to the number of significant digits in the measured data. It was kind of humorous seeing ft-lbs taken to four decimal places though. Its that last ten thousandth of a ft-lbs that makes or breaks a load. 😹
Great video glad you do the comparison. Just curious why didn’t you throw the 357 sig. in the mix? And if you did later what fire and did you use and what did you get for velocities? Thank you for your time and effort with these great videos very informative
Underwood ammo is what I order for full balls to the wall 10mm load. I got a plethora of Underwood offerings. 100% reliable and kicks like a mule. If I'm buying off the shelf ammo offerings I get Sig elite performance ammo and if I want a bulk ammo for snowflakes to shoot and say holy shit then load up some Underwood afterwards to show them what real 10mm feels like and hurt they pride I get American eagle. If you want the weakest than buy some PPU.
Sig is my fav ammo I can go to big 5 sporting goods and buy a hour away bit they only got like two boxes at a time. Sig elete jhp in 20 round box and 1 box of Sig fmj in 50 round box at a time. 10mm is so rare in New Mexico I actually payed $45 for a box of 50 rounds of PPU here and $50 for a box of American eagle. I'm probably the only person shooting 10mm here. My pawn shop/forearms dealer has to go to gun shows and shit almost 2 hours away to pick up one box of ammo of me and I pay a premium. But if I had a 9mm I could go to my local Walmart and buy a bulk 250 round box for cheaper. I guess you gotta pay to play.
@@AlaskanBallistics actually for felt recoil I was surprised it kicked pretty good bit I'm told the Xdm 10mm has a really weak recoil spring. I actually have two Wolfe springs in 20# and 22# installed so it doesn't beat the shit out the slide. Shooting Underwood with factory spring after 200 or more rounds of even weakloads starts to beatthe shit out hands.
@@AlaskanBallistics my Xdm has cycled anything I feed it when it was stock bit haven't tested with the upgrades. But like I said people claim the Xdm 10mm I under sprung so that's maybe why but with a 22# spring she tight biatch now so haven't tested with weak ammo since. I ordered like $600 worth of Underwood ammo so she eats the hot stuff now. Haven't broke in the new springs yet though. Be a cool test. Every Glock I seen with mods runs like garbage but so far this spring filed has been 100% with any upgrades I done to it . I did have a slight issues when I got it stock and it was my slide would not lock back when empty but I'm almost positive it was me. I think with my combatw grip I was riding the slide stop and with recoil my hand was hitting it and releasing the slide. I tried to duplicate it but shooting limp wristed on purpose just dangling shooting all gangster style and it didn't do it. I couldn't make it do a failure to feed or ejection or stove pipe when I tried. Lol.
Great video! In your opinion and I know you're from Alaska but would that 45 round be adequate for black bear, big cat protection in Pennsylvania? Or should I stick with my 640 Pro Series 357 mag snub nose loaded with 140 grain Barnes? vortex?
I would have thought the 9mm would have gone further than .40 but I suppose the more fpe from 40cal made up the difference because usually I see 9mm penetrate barriers more
@@AlaskanBallistics on that same note you mentioned in a video you use that in a glock43 as a backup for bears in that same load, how safe do you feel using that against bears after this test
25 acp should be great for those baby bears chuke told us you like shooting. Dang you are one sick puppy. oh well, i stomp on baby ants i see walking around so im just as bad.
@@AlaskanBallistics , thats not how i heard it. Made it sound like you're the kermit gosnell of the bear world. Either way, i bet baby bear is the tastiest.
Without any doubt, this channel is so underrated and yet one of the best youtube channels out there. Immensely enjoyed the video with coffee, snacks, beef jerky and some more coffee lol.
Time and time again, 10mm proves itself to be the best mm out there and this video clearly demonstrates that simple truth. Of course they're all deadly calibers as even 22LR kills, but hitting a charging bear with 10mm will ruin its day real fast.
TH-cam isn't sharing/ promoting my channel... please email and share it! Thanks for the kind words friend!
@@AlaskanBallistics Yes, will definitely try to do some more sharing and recommendations when I comment on other channels. If more people knew what an amazing channel and incredibly informative and educational channel you're running they'd be flocking here in queuing lines.
Another great test, very enlightening. These rounds are designed to cause damage from the cavitation created by the cutouts in the sides of the bullet. Gel tests I've seen show some good size wound channels for these rounds, but the 10mm is, as you said, the King. The wound channels from the 10 are pretty impressive. These are deep penetrators, so you need to be very aware of your surroundings, especially innocent bystanders! Thanks again for your valuable efforts. Much appreciated!
You're quite welcome. Thanks for the kind comment. Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours!
@@AlaskanBallistics Gimme back my Black Talons!!!!
@@stevewaldman1322 black talons were awesome
The "bullet jacket" material you pointed out is actually aluminum that was picked up from the the griddle when the SOLID COPPER XP bullets passed through it.
Makes sense! Thank You
Great video, congratulations! I am a police officer in Brazil and I always walk with my .40 s & w in the waist, here are few like the agencies of police of use to 9mm being more used by the departments of bureaucratic police, those that work more inside an office with papers, I know that at 9mm Your benefits but at the moment I would not change my .40 s & w by 9mm. Returning to the video I think it was missing 357 SIG for the comparison I consider an excellent goat.
Thank you and sorry for my poor english!
I agree sir, I just don't have a .357 sig to test. Thanks for watching brother. Stay Safe!
Maycon tudo bem?
É verdade que as munições CBC Gold da 40 S&W é ruim de penetração? Porque vejo varios reclamando disso, mas alguns policiais que conversei e falaram que funciona bem sim, pergunto porque vou tirar meu CR e estou em duvida entre 9mm e 40, e sei que o 9mm com a munição +P fica com mais energia mais tambem sei que fica com o recuo da 40, então preferiria a 40 pelo impacto dela e sei que causa mais ferimentos no agressor, se eu pudesse eu importaria as Federal HST 180 grains, mas como é complicado e burocratico teria que usar a CBC mesmo, hoje tenho uma 380 e uso só ogival porque sei que a 380 tem pouca penetração e pontas oca, abraço e obrigado.
Tudo bem , Cleber !
Então , a 9mm é um bom calibre , muito controlável e ha relatos de um menor desgaste na arma , não sei se procede , mas ha lógica ... Enfim , a CBC Gold de 155 grains , tem , sim , uma boa penetração . Já ouvi relatos de que o calibre não teria penetrado o suficiente , que teria ficado alojado no crânio , não transfixando o mesmo e blá,blá,blá ... Acredito em tais relatos, entretanto tenho convicção de que os cartuchos que apresentaram tais ocorrências sofreram algum tipo de mau uso de conservação e alguns cuidados de garantia, como : propelentes contaminados por agentes externos, óleos lubrificantes e outros derivados. Já presenciei armas de colegas policias encharcadas com óleos, e pasme!´´GRAXA´´ ! Isso mesmo , graxa, o polícia parece que mergulha a arma no óleo ou enche a mesma com graxa . É difícil de acreditar , mas tem muito policial sem noção , amigo ! Com isso , se houver uma contaminação na pólvora ( propelente ) a mesma perderá sua eficácia , e lógico , menor energia potencial , consequentemente menor velocidade do projétil ,menor egérnia cinética , a depender da contaminação ,a munição não irá cumprir seu papel . Têm relatos de projéteis onde a munição sofreu contaminação e o projétil ficou preso no cano da arma , ou seja , dependendo vai bater no tórax do agente ameaçador e vai cair ao solo , pois não terá energia suficiente para romper o tecido ou quebrar ossos , resumindo tudo isso , a CBC Gold penetra muito bem no tecido humano , com excelência em penetração para as pontas planas de 180 grains . Agora a 9mm é muito boa , pode ir tranquilo , tenho amigos na POLÍCIA FEDERAL que afirmam que no máximo disparam duas vezes em um agressor para cessar o confronto . Aqui em Minas Gerais , um PM ao adentrar em uma residência para cumprimento de MB teria sido atacado por um cão de grande porte , vindo o mesmo a disparar duas vezes no animal com munição CBC de 135 grains , o cão perdeu massa óssea , hoje anda pulando com um pata dianteira , mas não veio a óbito , e um dos projéteis teria ficado alojado , sendo retido em uma cirurgia pelo veterinário , somente um projétil teria transfixado. Acredito que a .40s&w vai fazer mais dano que a 9mm , mas acho que essa diferença não será distante , sou PC em Minas e tenho 11 anos que utilizo uma .40 s&w , já me acostumei , mas como eu disse a 9mm é muio boa também , aí a escolha é com você .... kkkk
Boa sorte aí na aquisição , tudo de bom , Cleber !
@@carolinepires6786 Obrigado pelo rapido retorno, atirei de 9mm com munição da CBC 124 grains ogival, tem um recuo muito parecido com a 380, mas a pergunta é: com a munição +P ou +P+ para obter energia proxima a do .40 S&W o recuo não vai se aproximar da 40 S&W? Ja vi comentarios que sim e isso perde a vantagem da 9mm em questão recuperação de visada e ainda com menos energia que a 40 S&W. Outra questão é as ponta ocas se atirar atraves de um para-brisas ele vai chegar ao alvo com energia suficiente para penetrar? Ja fiz com minha 380 em uma geladeira bem antiga e com um metal bem resistente e as três da CBC ogival, ponta oca +P e Gold Hex atravessam os dois lados e pararam em uma parede de tijolo vermelho e reboco, sendo que deixou uma marca de uns 3mm no roboco e as duas ponta ocas com expansão total, esses dias perto de onde eu moro um dono de uma pizzaria atirou contra um rapaz ( confundido com ladrão, infelizmente ) e estava de blusa de frio, e foi atingido com um disparo de munição expansiva de 380 e fraturou a costela lateralmente e veio a falecer, mas uso na minha apenas ogival, pois falam pela pouca energia em 380 é mais viavel a ogival para permanecer a penetração. Desculpe o incomodo e tantas pergunta rsrsrs abraço.
Bom dia , Cleber !
Tenho um amigo que é CAC e possui uma G17 , já atirei com a arma dele diversas vezes com o calibre de 115 grains +p+ da CBC , e não vou negar que o recuo aumenta em relação a ogival de 124 grains , já que a primeira por ter maior quantidade de propelente terá maior velocidade , fato ! Mas não chegou a ser uma .40S&W em questão de recuo , ainda assim eu sinto diferença no recuo e estampido maior na .40 S&W, mas não tão distante uma para outra . Talvez com munições importadas como 124 Grains +p+ da Buffalo Bore com velocidade de 1300 pés por segundo chegue perto em recuo da .40S&W, não sei , apenas uma sugestão . já que nunca atirei com tal munição. Por exemplo , os norte americanos relatam de a 357 SIG tem recuo levemente maior que a .40S&W , é uma 9mm magnum , praticamente ... Acompanho diversos canais aqui no youtube e sempre leio os comentário e diversos policiais estuais que foram forçados a retornarem para a 9mm luger admitiram portar também uma .40S&W como arma secundaria com a alegação de desconfiança em eficiência da 9mm luger , talvez seja algo na cabeça da pessoa , não sei , já que nos comentários não houveram experiências de combates mal sucedidos com a 9mm luger por estes . Com relação a para-brisas com disparos de munições expansivas a mesma terá comportamento errático , podendo não se expandir , podendo fragmentar e afins , munição expansiva pode sofrer entupimento do projétil , ocasionando perda da eficácia , elas se comportam igualmente , é por isso que eu gosto da ponta plana de 180 Grains .Se ainda estiver com alguma dúvida talvez esse cara possa lhe ajudar . th-cam.com/video/LTTDgZZZFa0/w-d-xo.html
Aqui vai um demostrativo de munição contaminada : th-cam.com/video/ujrdZrPmuHY/w-d-xo.html
Forte abraço !!!
Underwood loaded ammo is my favorite too. The extreme series from Lehigh or Gold Dots/Nosler/Golden Saber are all projectiles that definitely perform better with a little hotter velocities.
Underwood also makes the maximum expansion HP'S. I carry both.
@jeffdavid3880 those tend to UnderPenetrate! I need to do a Ballistics gel test on that
@@AlaskanBallistics I think they look like a Black Talon round in gel, like a star.. I saw a video, but don't remember the caliber. Mine are 174gr 1050fps, the extremes are120gr 1420fps. I edc a G 21 (use to own the G 30 though) w/ 1 extra mag of extreme, 1 of maximum. Would like to see a comparison vid though.
Shot a 45 in the Navy while in security teams. They are no joke. You can see the round go down range.
@@TheRealZJE313 all of these helpers suffer due to short barrels, the difference is .45 is already such a fat and slow round that it is very hard to encourage it enough to keep up, diameter isn’t everything
As an Alaskan I love your channel. These rounds are epic!!!
Thank you. They work well.
Great Comparison! I definitely have to get a 10mm
Definitely.. for the Florida hogs
This was a really cool test, actually doing this research to figure out what would be the best carry caliber out of my current available options for when I go to Alaska in a few months 🤣🤣 exactly the test I was looking for thanks for the work
Thanks for the video. It just confirmed my decision to ALWAYS carry my 10mm when in the woods or back country. My personal choice is the Springfield Armory XDm.
Good choice in Caliber. I'm glad the XDM works for you! Godspeed
Would have loved to have seen 357 sig. Awesome video. 10mm rules
Thank you for doing this detailed side-by-side comparison with the kind of stock, semi-automatic pistols that most of us actually own/carry.
May I make a suggestion? Throughout the video, you are scientifically rigorous (e.g. multiple chronographed shots out of similar barrel lengths), methodical (e.g. laying out each and every round and each and every firearm prior to testing), and your attention-to-detail is simply phenomenal (e.g. calculating the standard deviation , which I've never seen before out of hundreds of ballistics videos).
But then at the very end, you guesstimate penetration, which is by far the most imprecise part of this evaluation.
Perhaps it would be possible to repeat the study with a different bullet backstop?
Eventually I plan on doing ballistics gel version of this. So, great suggestion. Also plan on doing a longer barrel version of this.
Brother, I know this vid is months old now, but watching this one and reading the comments is what got me to finally get off my butt and join Patreon. For your channel. Keep on keeping it real for us.
Thank you brother!!!
Was thinking about doing that too. Chuck and chuke are my favorite channels right now
@@waltmagic thank you Walter. my wife and I helped chuke find his Crane this morning
@@AlaskanBallistics - His Crane...or his brain?
I better stop dissing Chuke. I might wanna come shooting up there with y'all some time.
@@texasbeast239 nothing left of his brain
Thanks Chuck. 10 was smoking. FYI, I have found that a 3.5" 40 cal. will consistently be 65 to 75 fps faster than a 3.1 Shield.
Glad that 3.6 Sig really performed as well
Loving that 10 mm
Antonio Claudio Michael 10mm is the best mm!
I think that 10mm load would have no problem with soft armor
Maybe especially out of a long barrel
Great test! I have carried Federal HST 230 grain + P in my full frame Sig Sauer P 220 for years. 7 of us here in SLC, UT now carry the Underwood Extreme Defender 120 grain 45 caliber round. Five (including myself) have a full frame, and two carry a Compact 45 caliber pistol. It would be great to see a Paul Harrell type "meat test".
I've got to try the xtreme defender. I bought some bullets for handloading and we're going to load those 120gr xtreme defenders into .45 Super and .460 Rowland.
@@AlaskanBallistics Nice = post a video if you can - thanks!
Will do... grafs.com screwed up that order...
Bought a box of 10mm xtreme defenders ...
Extreme Defenders are the s*it as they are better suited for bipedal predators - as opposed to wild animals lol! 10 mm will be great....someday if you could do 120gr 45 cal that would be FANTASTIC! Anyway thanks for any Defender instead of the Penetrator.....
Looking forward to the Defenders instead of the Penetrator
Love my .40 G22 RTF/23g and have some of that ammo also plus I like the 2000fps liberty defense HP 👍👍
Sweet i'll have to test the liberty defense if I can find any! Thanks for stopping by
Good test. I was bumbed to see my .45 caliber (favorite) the slowest. Great show, thank you.
Yeah I expected it to be in the 920s to 930s as it was in a previous video... very disappointed.
Why? 45acp is world renowned for being slow.
True, but a 165gr jhp in 45 isn't slow.
.45 has been obsolete for quite some time now.
You give up basically everything carrying a .45.
Chuck, aside from ejecting and feeding, the spring set up will not do anything to improve or diminish the capabilies of a cartridge. The combustion is the same regardless of what springs you use. Ref: @5.04. Edited to show that I'm actually wrong making this statement. A better lockup created by a stronger spring creates better ignition and more speed as Chuck explains below.
Sometimes it keeps the lock up tighter and longer so you don't lose as much pressure or the back of the cartridge
@@AlaskanBallistics Wow ! I ididn't realize that. Thank you for the info, it makes perfect sense !
I know it's 3 years later but just a tip- "du01" on the Caldwell means "1st duplicate", as in the velocity is the same as the previous round, because otherwise you wouldn't see the number change and think the shot didn't register. "du02" would mean the 3rd consecutive identical reading, etc.
Got one myself last year and had Xtreme Defender +P 65gr 9mm clocking at 1800fps out of my P320 carry length. I'd reckon squeezing every bit of velocity out is even more important with these fluted bullets
Thank you I've learned that since then. I appreciate it.
Exactly what I was looking for👍🏽
Great 👍 Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours my friend!
I love and respect Underwood’s “Extreme” series loadings…
Me too
I use these Underwood Xtreme rounds in my 10mm Springfield Armory XDm10 5.25 barrel, love these bullets
Yeah they get just over 1600 fps in that gun... i did a video vs. G40
Relative humidity may have been higher in the summer slowing the bullet's velocity.
Good stuff Chuck!
Good point
Or Chuke got bear blood and drool all over that old batch of XPs, where it dried up and caused extra friction in your G29 barrel. Why, I'm surprised it fed and fired at all!
Lol nice!
This was good. Thanks
Thank you
Another fantastic video, thanks guys!!!
Thank You for watching!!
Thanks ! Good Test !
The Glock 21 would've done better for obvious reasons! My edc is a Glock 30 that's .45 super capable but the barrel is too short honestly to get the most out of .45 super rounds! Great video 👍!
Yeah my glock 21 has the 6.61 inch line wolf barrel for .45 super. I like it's velocities.
@@AlaskanBallistics I just bought a new gen 4 Glock 21 and an alpha Wolf 6.6" barrel two weeks ago! I'm building a PCC/PDW... can't wait to get it finished! Your videos are very informative...many thanks!
@WillyMandingoWinchester thank you! Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours my friend.
I agree, why not both 40s. 👍 10 mm is definitely living up to its name. I kind of thought that 45 would a gone a little bit further. Nice vid
Just picked up a box of the 10mm because I'm heading out to some empty areas in TX. glad to know that should I run into hogzilla this will do well to keep me safe.
Should definitely work
You probably already know this but the 10mm was not deformed, it had a piece of the frying pan stuck on top of it.... one of the 40s had that too.
Kind of cool huh?
That's a nice collection of pistols
If only Walther would make a 10mm PPQ. In my opinion the PPQ is the most beautiful striker fire option. Just not a fan of 40 or 45.
Agreed 👍 👍
interesting how underwood (and everyone else too) puts out +p for the 9 and 45 but only a medium load for the 40. could be pushing 1500 without going +p. and that shows how even the 10 was loaded low too
.40 s&w blows up easily, ice had it happen with factory ammo federal 180gr
@@AlaskanBallistics
ive been reloading 40 for about 25 years and never had any pressure or gun issues. those problems are typically glock related. i have a cz and there are no issues. if the weapon cannot handle saami spec loads then it is a faulty and bad weapon. 35k psi in a 40 is just like 35k psi in a 9
I've seen it blow up a 96, an xdm, and glock's.
@@AlaskanBallistics
dont know what to tell you. factory ammo? sounds like multiple gun failures, though not impossible to get a bad factory load. reloads? stay away from whoever is making them. none of the 20+ people i shoot with have ever seen a kb irl. either way its not the caliber, its a faulty weapon or a bad load
watch Paul Harrell he shows 10mm and 45 ball penetrate meat target the same
Maybe they do... but ball and hardcast or Xtreme Penetrators are different and the meat target doesn't simulate anything hard like the skull of a big grizzly bear.
Thanks! I appreciate it.
Thank you for the comments and for watching!
9mm has come a long way, police dept are switching from 40 to 9... cant beat 10 mm in big bear country.
9mm lost to 40 in this
I wouldn't be surprised to see some departments switch back to .40 in a few years. 9mm is great, but the switch was partly politically motivated. As in PC.
@@rob10ring I agree, If you follow what the govt does you'll be all over the place. There's no common sense in there at all.
@@rob10ring The 40cal was honestly a mistake/failed experiment and just wasted taxpayer money. Dont get me wrong I own one and love it but I understand why law enforcement would move back to the 9mm.
They are switching to 9mm because shooting stats havnt shown any improvement in lethality with the 40. With any pistol caliber it's shot placement not caliber. Pistol rounds just don't do the damage if you don't hit a vital organ
I use a g22 for home defense. I don't need to disintegrate an armed intruder. No 10mm for me, i have to prove to the cops that a person was there lol..good video!
Lol the 10mm is not THAT much more powerful... but a g22 is a formidable home defense weapon
So I guess you just want him dead Dead, and not dead Dead DEAD!
"As coroner, I must aver
I thoroughly examined her
And she's not only merely dead--
She's really most sincerely dead!"
@@texasbeast239 that's why I have the 45-70 loaded for home defense
10mm is not that powerful.. .50bmg would desintegrate an intruder
ACTUALLY NO! 22 CALIBER IS NOT SUFFICIENT ENOUGH TO STOP ANYONE! UNLESS? YOU SHOOT THEM CENTER IN THE HEAD! 22 CALIBER WOULD NEVER MAKE IT THROUGH CLOTHING, MUSCLE, BONE, AND INTO A BODY ORGAN FAST OR HARD ENOUGH TO MAKE THAT PERSON FULL OF ADRENALINE STOP BEFORE HURTING YOU OR SOMEONE YOU LOVE! ATLEAST A 38+P CALIBER. BUT FOR ALL THE EXPENSE OF THAT? YOU WOULD BE MUCH BETTER OFF WITH A GREAT 9mm HANDGUN LIKE THE GLOCK 45. WHICH IS A MAGICAL 9mm WITH A 17+1 STANDARD MAGAZINE CAPACITY!!!! AND ALSO, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO SHOOT TO KILL ANYONE! YOU CAN VERY EFFECTIVELY STOP ANYONE WITH WELL PLACED SHOTS TO EITHER OR BOTH SHOULDERS!! THAT WILL SEVERELY DAMAGE THE ROTATOR CUFF AND DISABLE THE USE OF THEIR ARMS! ( NO ARMS? NO ATTACK! ) OR YOU CAN SHOOT DIRECT IN EITHER OR BOTH OF THE KNEES!! THIS WILL INSTANTLY DROP ANYONE! ( BUT THEY STILL MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE THEIR HANDS AND TRY TO USE A GUN ON YOU! MOST OF THE TIME THEY WOULD BE IN TOO MUCH PAIN TO TRY THOUGH, BUT YOU NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT JUST IN CASE ) OR, YOU CAN SHOOT EITHER OR BOTH SHINS WITH OR WITHOUT SHOOTING THE KNEES! AND THAT WILL ALSO DROP ANYONE INSTANTLY! *** NOTE!!! IF YOU SHOT THESE SHOTS TO THESE PLACES I AM TELLING YOU ABOUT WITH A 22 CALIBER BULLET? EVEN SEVERAL OF THOSE BULLETS TO THESE AREAS MIGHT NOT STOP THE ATTACKER! BUT ANY CALIBER OF 9mm OR ABOVE WILL! 38+p CALIBERS WILL TOO. BUT!! WITH THE 38 YOU HAVE TO GET A REVOLVER, WITH ONLY 6-7 ROUND CAPACITY!! AND THE PLUS P AMMO, AND FOR ALL THAT EXPENSE?? YOU WILL BE FAR BETTER SERVED AND PROTECTED, WITH A GLOCK 9mm! BUT YOU MUST PRACTICE ALSO!
The video I didn't know I needed
Thank you for watching
I love the extreme penetrators not for shooting, but to be used in a pinch when there’s no Phillips head screwdriver nearby.
Very true
Is that really the lightest Underwood Extreme Penetrator .45 round they make? To be truly competitive in this test they would need to produce a .45 more like a 165gr @ 1300fps
I just discovered that they make a 120gr x 1320fps .45 - that might have been better for your test.
- That 10mm - WOW, nearly 700lbs energy - I like!
I totally agree, but that's the lightest and only xtreme penetrator they make in .45.
In a few weeks I have 10mm vs. 45 super xtreme penetrators coming up. As you can imagine, same problem, though typically 10mm gets stomped by .45 super.
They do make an xtreme defender in those bullet weights.
@@AlaskanBallistics Well I have learned something by watching your video.
Much obliged 👍
Thank you for your comment and for watching sir!
Perfect! Thanks Brother! Stay Safe!!!🙏🇺🇸
Thanks for watching Luke!
I load my own Lehigh, Makers t-rex for rifles. I'm going to load some 85 gn .308 in my 7.62X25 for my Tokarev M-57 Yogosavian M-57 copy. I hope to get 1600 FPS
I hope I don't crack the slide
I'm. Going to work up loads from the slowest and up from there I will do a video of it.. happy Shooting
Nice post a link here when you do.
To think a regular ( RIGHT )40 FMJ's AMMO would penatrate about the same if not better.
Honestly yes i agree
2:37 you said the ammo is expensive, I’m sure that statement was relative at the time. Considering the current ammogeddon.
Actually i found the 10mm the other day cheaper in a store.
But yeah i get what you mean.
Good video! Interesting test 10mm is king!
Bow to the King
Good enough for Griz? With these light copper bullets? Is there video of an animal being hit with it?
subscribing now! great video really informative, str8 to da point nd fun
Thank you kindly ! Godspeed and good hunting to you!
Nice to see the 40cal had better pentration the the 9mm and the 45.rite now my cc is a ruger sr40 and recently bought a box of the extreme defender in hopes that they'll be my go to carry round.plan on doing my own test very soon just debating on whether or not I want to buy some level 2 body armor to see if the 40cal round can defeat the armor like the 9mm+p+ round can.
That'll be interesting for sure. Let me know the results
@@AlaskanBallistics absolutely.
Are you concerned about the pressure shooting Underwood ammo?
Nope if anything is been lighter lately
Such a windy day, but it was fun, babe!
Everyday is fun for you
Only with you!
The 45 auto was pretty underwhelming for an Underwood +P loading. It kind of defeats the point of using the Xtreme Penetrator in the 45 auto. By the way, what's the difference in barrel lengths between the Shield and the P239? The difference in velocity between those two is fairly significant.
Agreed on the .45! The sig239 is a 3.6" and 3.1" for the shield gen1 40
Thanks for watching
.45s are always underwhelming.
Yes 10mm is the king if it can kill a grizzle bear.
It can and has
Alaska is running out of frying pans !
Lol yep
@@AlaskanBallistics Shoot them all brother ! America is watching !
We've learned a great deal about .40 ammunition since I purchased my first one, a G35, for IPSC comps back in 2005. It's crazy how the .40 is pushing up on the 10mm with modern, off the shelf ammo.
Not really.... 10mm in a 3.7 in barrel still gets more than .40s&w in a 6.5" barrel. Go see my specific 10mm vs. 40 video
I love the underwood ammo, I carry it in 9mm, .357 and the big boy 45colt maximum expansion for the judge. Goes bang every time
I've actually had a bad primer in one round. But typically yes it's very reliable
Repeat the test, but with Underwood Xtreme +P+ and Mud... and you will be surprised by the results.
Thanks, will do
Very nice video thank you
Thank you for watching
Are these good brown bear defense ammo?
Yes, if you make the right shot of course
Your wife is gonna be upset you shooting up her pry pans. lol
Hmmm....that 10mm....thought these were monolythic solid copper.....also, never saw an underwood X Pen 45acp score in the 800's through a chronograph.....sometin' aint right there.....omo.
Short barrel on the 45. They really need 5"
Nice job
Thank you sir
Glock 43 9mm did amazing also
It lost in penetration
@@AlaskanBallistics ya I saw that
We rarely have a bear sighting in southeast Indiana I'm going to try some defenders 9mm in my G19 and my P365 !! Thanks for video and info!!!
I need to try those defenders!!! Thanks for watching. Please share as youtube is killing gun videos
@@AlaskanBallistics I've put up a couple videos ..I have a better camera now I'm learning to use so more videos in the future!! The military arms channel did I review on them quite a while back gel tests pretty Awesome bullets
I've got some +P defenders for my G19 and p365 and they are hot rounds for sure. Pricey stuff unfortunately.
I'm going to have to try them
The 45's performance was disappointing. I was hoping it would do better, if only to justify to myself, putting off the purchase of a new woods gun a bit longer. My wife's going to be saddling me with an Garmin Inreach mini, so the new handgun purchase is being put off a bit longer. A couple weeks ago though, a little fall into a river had me reflecting on what woods gun I'd actually be getting. I've always just assumed 10MM, however, my dumbass slipping, and falling into a river of spring runoff, and the ensuing magazine AND handgun cleaning afterwords, has me considering a revolver over an autoloader. Within 5 days, I already had rust starting to form on the magazine springs. I suppose I should have taken them apart the same day i took a seat in a river. Another thing with a revolver is no bullet set back. Hardcast ammo can be hard to come by, and It's like I'm slowly bleeding ammo due to bullet set back. Not a problem with a revolver, but the big con to a revolver is 6 shots and a slow ass reload.
I carry a snubby 44 mag and a .45 super
Revolvers can jump crimp. Glocks are pretty good, as far as rust. Better than most. They are easy to completely disassemble and in a pinch you can just blast them with Ballistol, until you can get a more serious cleaning in. When training some military guys, Chuck Taylor purposely left his Glock on the bottom of the ocean and retrieved it 6 mos later, none worse for wear. All that, and revolvers still rust too, and they're harder too get to the inside.
If you reload the lee factory crimp die is the ticket. Your days of bullet setback will be over.
This is not the perfect science to compare each calibers.
@@rob10ring And to think I've been religiously cleaning my Glocks for 30 years. i could have just blown them off and kept on trucking 😂
Late comment, but I'll stick with the 45. For bear nothing less than a 44 mag in my hands. Very good video. If you soak the paper in warm water for a bit the results may be different. Just a thought. I'd love to visit Alaska in summer. South Wisconsin is too dam cold for me in winter let alone 70-100 below where you are! Lol. DB
Anchorage never gets that cold. Least I've seen is -22°
Thanks for watching
Can only find the 9mm +P penetrators ... I'm gonna give em a try out of my Glock 17 for black bear and cougar defense..
Good choice brother
10mm is supposed to be shot with 5" barrel or most of the powder is just flash
I generally do i have a 6.5" barrel in my g40. But this is a back up gun that is still getting nearly 700 ft lbs of energy.
Okay Soravia, then how did it get almost 700 foot pounds of energy in the test? The video itself makes your comment look silly.
Ammo makers do make different loads, which can vary in their usefulness for different applications, and 10mm is no different in that regard. Defensive loads tend to be optimized for short-to-mid sized barrels, while hunting loads tend to be optimized for standard-to-long barrels. Some loads burn fast in short barrels without receiving much or even any benefit from long barrels, which indicates the powder burned fast and there's not enough powder charge to keep accelerating the projectile down the entire length of the long barrels. Other loads give off huge flashes as the bullet leaves the muzzle, and show significantly faster velocities from long barrels, indicating that there was still unburnt powder being wasted when the bullet left the short barrel.
How about doing a updated video of 40 S&W Winchester white box 180 grain JHP'S ( bonded and not bonded ) in some jell blocks , meat and different barriers just to show that the 40 and it's ammo is reliable and not going anywhere.. 👍.
I'll get to it ASAP
@@AlaskanBallistics thanks man 👍.
Leave the .45 at home.
Fun to play with even though it's expensive.
For ANY kind of personal protection there are many better choices.
Agreed. Though i don't want to be hit by one
@@AlaskanBallistics I think many people carry and advocate for .45s because they just think they should, ballistically it's a dog, it was designed in a time where a big FMJ hole was better than a small FMJ hole.
1911s are great guns, but if I was carrying something that big and heavy I would carry a Magnum revolver with similar capacity and MUCH more power.
All .45s that are modern SHOULD be made to be able to handle .45 super. Shame they aren't
I wonder how my 1911 10mm would like these... The price has always scared me from buying a test box. I know any lead cast rounds get jammed up on the ramp, and certain FMJ with "extra blunt" noses do, as well.
Sounds like you need a qualified Smith to polish that feed ramp.
It's been polished already. That was the first thing I read about "not-$1500" 1911 10mm.
Might be better off fitting another barrel then. Good also to check the magazine springs. Many times they're not fast enough for the faster moving slide.
What brand is it?
Rock Island. I've ready upgraded mags. Barrel is kinda hard to upgrade, it's already a bull barrel, non-standard type (no takedown bushing)
Cool video! 😎
Thank you
Id rather see different grain weight being compared in each caliber. Your comparable testing isnt a fair match up. Each manufacturer produces a caliber or version of an existing caliber for use within it's DESIGN PERAMITERS, not designed with your testing in mind, in fact they don'tever compare differentcalibers for testing. If the big boys don't consider comparison testing then I cant see the benefit of your results.
I can look up any ballistics data for any round and compare, but its pointless. You aren't carrying two different calibers EDC!!! so you wont ever have to consider, which gun to pull out based on the level of threat. I appreciate the video and seeing the difference between each design. That is cool, thanks.
Point here.... 1st. please dont say Vs. Because they aren't equal or comparable. Apples for apples not bananas. 2nd; .45 is 960fps design because it was used as a subsonic weapon. "Hush puppy " was a common name for the .45 acp. 10mm is a supersonic round, you can't compare just on those bases alone. Please compare like for like our of different guns side by side, thats cool info to make a video about, its usuful to see how each different 9mm handles the same round, etc...
I know, everybody has an opinion.... your good.
I appreciate your opinion. Godspeed and good hunting to you.
To this day I can not understand the obsession with the 45 ACP round. Its such a slow moving bullet but I guess its the size of the round that gives people a false sense of security.
It performed well in both world wars with fmj bullets. That being said there are better performers now with better Ammunition
@@AlaskanBallistics Yah against humans yah but against big game not a chance.
Agreed. I've put down whitetail before with .45 auto with 200gr speet gold dot +p
It’s an antiquated round for the antiquated 1911. I don’t get the obsession either. Nice piece of history and range gun, but twice the weight, half the capacity, finicky with ammo. Modern ammo and firearms have certainly surpassed the 1911 and 45acp in every regard.
@shamitoson amen
Obviously, the 10mm 🏆 wins hands down. But if you're looking for extreme penitration, it's because you're thinking about killing something very big. With that in mind, I want a large caliber revolver for reliability. 41mag 44mag 45LC 454cas 500
Okay, some people can't afford another gun, & better ammunition will be helpful. But as terrific as autos are, you can only count on the one in the chamber. & besides, you only typically only get one or two shots anyway.
If you're looking for big game penetration, then you carry a .45-70. Everything else is just back up.
If your up to it I have no problem sending my Xdm 5.25 10mm to you to test or try out with the "upgrades" I have done to it. Doesn't look like much but internals been upgraded alot. I can send ya the factory parts and extra springs and such to play with. Just let me know. I w8ll glad to send it to you to play with bit I changed the front sight to a Dawson .100 fiber and haven't gotten it sighted in correctely. With default rear sight adjustemnet it's way low now amd the front sight was installed caveman style so not sure it's 100% even bit if you want to give it a shot and play with it lete know I can send it to ya with a plethora of ammo offerings.
I appreciate the offer... i've already done a video comparison on my buddy's with my g40...
Good gun, i shoot my g40 much better...
@@AlaskanBallistics all good brother. Ypu got tje G40 or the G40 MOS? I was thinking from what everyone complains about tje 40MOS i wanted to get a regular G40 with nigjt sights and habe it milled for a MOS. I do like the aftermarket support for the Glocks. I guess the real appeal to m of the Glock 40 over my xdm5.25 is the longer barrel and the ease of putting a even longer barrel with a comp. Justmàu be me but i great up loving long slides. Maybe RoboCop and Terminator growing up made me love them but i sure have a hard on for a long slide. I would live for yoy guys to test my gun in those Alaska extreme colds.
I have the mos and it's just fine... I'm not running a dot... just bought sights... kkm barrel on the way.
Check out my playlist on it.
If you're in Alaska we could do several videos with your xdm
How would 44 magnum do
Deeper than this by a lot
Cool video, I sew you wearing a VOLS jacket, are you a VOLS fan in Alaska?
Yes sir
@@AlaskanBallistics AWESOME ME TOO, I'M FROM CHATTANOOGA TN.
Seems like the only reason you would carry this is if your in big game areas bear, wolfs you know all that hard to put down beast. Because I don't think you would want something that would penatrate ( go through ) anything , but having a box or two wouldn't hurt , ( just encase ).
Up here it's for bear for sure. Wolves would get the same loads though
Not a Glock fan, I got a Xdm 5.25 10mm and the build is so much better than Glock. Before I got my pistol I looked at a used Glock 20 and felt cheap. Don't know what gen it was but I could feel the frame flex just gripping the thing with my baby hands. I will say the older I get my dislike of Glocks increases by the typical douche G-Lock fan baby who thinks ain't nothing as good as the austrian
made plastic fantastic. I will say I am in love with the Glock 40 MOS but haven't got to handle one yet just from pics...
Well if you like your springfield, I'm happy for ya! I did a springfield 5.25" 10mm vs. G40 video.
I will say two things I do think Glock did better was 1 factory trigger is better to me out of factory and two the metal rails on rear of frame seem beefier but not smart enough to know if it makes that much of a difference. But Xdm has metal guide rod from factory. Lol
@@AlaskanBallistics sorry for my ignorance but I don't know what BNB is. Just to be clear I'm not talking shit about Glock or hating. My carry weapon was a Glock 22 and it was bullet proof but didn't like it. Just a opinion. Just stating as a person who carried a Glock on duty and have shot many Glocks vs what I chose to purchase and daily carry now.
@@TeamTopKick bnb is a typo my swype on my phone does... lol
Springfield is a good gun... i like them all
Is the plus p plus safe for the Springfield Xds 9mm was thinking about carrying some when I got hiking in my backup Springfield Xds
I would think so but I'd consult your owner's manual or call Springfield. Animals being tougher and thicker, you want a good hardcast and the buffalo bore 147gr +p would just fine for anything in the eastern half of the lower 48
@@AlaskanBallistics okay, thanks
Thank you for watching and asking
@@AlaskanBallistics . No problem, love your videos
Thank you kindly man
9mm is +P+ the 45 is +p the 10 mm is a 10mm and the 40 is standard pressure apple and oranges but cool test...
That's because there is no high pressure designation in 10mm or .40s&w. They both already are high pressured cartridges
Coincidentally, that was my male stripper stage-name back in the day.
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Short Barrel?
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Do more 45 super vids please! There’s no 45 super ballistic gel tests on TH-cam! Just sayin! I love mine! I have some underwood extreme penetrators in 45 super 200gr @ 1100 FPS (weak for a super) but I got 1230 ish and two errors and I didn’t wanna waste anymore Ammo. (I’m cheap like that) but they’re like $2 each and hard to get here.
Btw I subscribed in hopes I’ll see more 45super vids (no pressure)
I have some planned... but I can't ship ammo from online orders to Alaska. So I'm waiting on a local shop to get them... having some handloaded by a friend as well as maybe 185gr xtp
Patreon link is in description
Next will be a 200gr hardcast comparison between 45 super and 10mm
Did you see the latest 45 Super vs 10mm video?
Seems strange that a 200 gr 45acp+P would only be listed at 1000fps. Also have you had an opportunity to shoot any critters with extreme penetrators? I’m curious how they actually perform in living tissue.
Yeah the bullet's so long, all copper so not as much room for powder.
Only two shots in a black bear head with 10mm. Did good... straight through with both.. massive penetration and tissue damage
Enjoyed the video. The decimal fractions in the chronograph summary are un-supported by the precision of measurement†. It is proper to round to the number of significant digits in the measured data. It was kind of humorous seeing ft-lbs taken to four decimal places though. Its that last ten thousandth of a ft-lbs that makes or breaks a load. 😹
Yeah i don't do that anymore. Godspeed
@@AlaskanBallistics No worries. Your videos are informative, even if the terminal effect data is less than laboratory standards. Thanks for sharing.
357?
Sig? Don't have one at this time
.45 is best
Lol you didn't see a thing in this test did you? Less penetration and, less energy
I said what I said
So still believe in the aarp ignorance?
Bump
Thank you
My 29 needs that! Why do you have so many Cabela's ads?
Got the box of ads because i pull a shift there now and then to support the channel
@@AlaskanBallistics My wife used to work HR at the Lehi, UT store.
Nice be glad she doesn't anymore after the bass pro takeover
@@AlaskanBallisticsWe'd miss her discount.
@@rob10ring no more discount on guns and ammo and reloading thanks to bass pro
Do you have a text for the 460 Rowland?
Yes 3 videos in that playlist
.460 Rowland: th-cam.com/play/PLgyCOrlBEzeAFiUEYlXGzJZm2xKATBmbo.html
@@AlaskanBallistics OK Thanks
@@AlaskanBallistics THANKS
You're welcome
Great video glad you do the comparison. Just curious why didn’t you throw the 357 sig. in the mix? And if you did later what fire and did you use and what did you get for velocities? Thank you for your time and effort with these great videos very informative
Easy, we don't have one. Will probably get a barrel for that p239
Here's my .357 sig video with these. th-cam.com/video/fmqLYA3E7-M/w-d-xo.html
Underwood ammo is what I order for full balls to the wall 10mm load. I got a plethora of Underwood offerings. 100% reliable and kicks like a mule. If I'm buying off the shelf ammo offerings I get Sig elite performance ammo and if I want a bulk ammo for snowflakes to shoot and say holy shit then load up some Underwood afterwards to show them what real 10mm feels like and hurt they pride I get American eagle. If you want the weakest than buy some PPU.
Yeah the ppu was so weak the fmj wouldn't even kick back the slide on my g40
I like shooting the sig ammo for practice. The herters is okay and cheap comparatively in Alaska
Sig is my fav ammo I can go to big 5 sporting goods and buy a hour away bit they only got like two boxes at a time. Sig elete jhp in 20 round box and 1 box of Sig fmj in 50 round box at a time. 10mm is so rare in New Mexico I actually payed $45 for a box of 50 rounds of PPU here and $50 for a box of American eagle. I'm probably the only person shooting 10mm here. My pawn shop/forearms dealer has to go to gun shows and shit almost 2 hours away to pick up one box of ammo of me and I pay a premium. But if I had a 9mm I could go to my local Walmart and buy a bulk 250 round box for cheaper. I guess you gotta pay to play.
@@AlaskanBallistics actually for felt recoil I was surprised it kicked pretty good bit I'm told the Xdm 10mm has a really weak recoil spring. I actually have two Wolfe springs in 20# and 22# installed so it doesn't beat the shit out the slide. Shooting Underwood with factory spring after 200 or more rounds of even weakloads starts to beatthe shit out hands.
@@AlaskanBallistics my Xdm has cycled anything I feed it when it was stock bit haven't tested with the upgrades. But like I said people claim the Xdm 10mm I under sprung so that's maybe why but with a 22# spring she tight biatch now so haven't tested with weak ammo since. I ordered like $600 worth of Underwood ammo so she eats the hot stuff now. Haven't broke in the new springs yet though. Be a cool test. Every Glock I seen with mods runs like garbage but so far this spring filed has been 100% with any upgrades I done to it . I did have a slight issues when I got it stock and it was my slide would not lock back when empty but I'm almost positive it was me. I think with my combatw grip I was riding the slide stop and with recoil my hand was hitting it and releasing the slide. I tried to duplicate it but shooting limp wristed on purpose just dangling shooting all gangster style and it didn't do it. I couldn't make it do a failure to feed or ejection or stove pipe when I tried. Lol.
Good test but you need to use the same barrel lengths
Closest we have
Ammo is neet looking
Great video! In your opinion and I know you're from Alaska but would that 45 round be adequate for black bear, big cat protection in Pennsylvania? Or should I stick with my 640 Pro Series 357 mag snub nose loaded with 140 grain Barnes? vortex?
45 should be adequate... .357 from a smubby loses a lot of velocity
@Ben Woodcock same box 8 used in the sig p220 video
Merdog 717, i'd use the 200gr +p speer lawman fn tmj bonded for .45 auto protection.
I would have thought the 9mm would have gone further than .40 but I suppose the more fpe from 40cal made up the difference because usually I see 9mm penetrate barriers more
Yeah that shocked me as well.. my guess is it's low mass with lower sectional density
@@AlaskanBallistics on that same note you mentioned in a video you use that in a glock43 as a backup for bears in that same load, how safe do you feel using that against bears after this test
I don't use it anymore. G29 is the back up
@@AlaskanBallistics in a pinch, would the 43 possibly work?
The Underwood XP in 357 Sig is rated at 1700 fps. Just sayin.
I did a video on them out of a g32.
Damn. Cover the spectrum. I have lusted for a 10mm for too long. Why? Because. America.
Then you need to come here fishing as an excuse to buy one
@@AlaskanBallistics Now that's a HUGE temptation.
@@InSightFreedom all it takes is money
G.K.USA. The .45s ar
Looked that up and nothing
25 acp should be great for those baby bears chuke told us you like shooting. Dang you are one sick puppy. oh well, i stomp on baby ants i see walking around so im just as bad.
Lol chuke's grizzly was only 6 ft as well
@@AlaskanBallistics , thats not how i heard it. Made it sound like you're the kermit gosnell of the bear world. Either way, i bet baby bear is the tastiest.
@@BG-ww5lg i'll have to find that video and post it