The PAINS of Living with an EV! My WORST Experience Yet
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มิ.ย. 2024
- I'm trying to live with an EV, but it's really quite the struggle. Starting my day enthusiastic for the rapid development of charging infrastructure, you can witness first hand how quickly the experience turns sour with a concoction of problems for my Porsche Taycan.
It's fair to say that new charging points are being built very, very quickly and it's certainly getting much easier to find locations in general here in the UK. However, the take up of EVs in the first place is probably growing even faster than that, and as such the availability of charging points is not improving in the slightest. Beyond that, you are then faced with the lucky dip whether you'll get a good charging experience of something won't work as it should.
Starting out with a very optimistic outlook on the whole thing, having obviously been away from the Taycan for more or less 4 months, the first step is to head out of London to get a full charge. To be fair, that's ironic in the first place, but the city centre is lacking significant numbers of fast chargers so it's actually overall quicker in theory to get out of town to do an empty to full charge. First stop is a new Ionity charger at Beaconsfield Services on the M40, not too far away, and with 4 charging points freshly installed.
However, things quickly turn for the worse as two machines are out of order or not yet activated, and there's a queue to access the other two. After waiting that out and eventually getting connected the speed is strong and the battery is filling up until it all goes wrong and repeatedly disconnects, preventing the Taycan from taking much more than half charge.
My go to response is therefore to head to the next nearest charger; a BP Pulse located only a few miles away to have another go... to no great success. Unfortunately I'm again getting errors for reasons unknown to me, but really changing my mood from one of trying to show how this process works well to having a horrible experience trying to get any battery into my EV.
I believe it can work, and I cannot wait until I have my own home charger in the near future, but without one it's virtually impossible to manage this process and my patience is being really tested despite my desire to make it work for me.
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
01:26 Taycan Update
03:50 Charging Network Woes
11:31 First Go
13:42 Second Go
14:24 Patience
15:32 Third Go
17:55 Stopped
20:38 Next Stop
22:40 Fourth Go
26:15 Fail
27:02 Going Home
29:05 Charging Experience
33:33 Wrap Up
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The EV experience is certainly one that requires patience, but safe to say this day did not exactly help my desire to keep trying. From no local chargers, to queues, error messages, awkward connections, and generally failing... it's not easy. I'm going to persist, but would you, or would you give up now?
I wouldn't give up yet! Keep it up shmee! We'd love to see more content on the Taycan
Give up and buy 812 gts
@@mateuszskrzypczyk251 :/
@@NevRexA ?
@@mateuszskrzypczyk251 Cool car the GTS is but the coupe is better :)
An EV only makes sense if you can charge at home overnight!
And don't have to park on the street!
Exactly, if you don't have a designated place to charge at your domocile, then it really doesn't work. It's kind of like a life-style choice, you can't just up and buy an EV in today's world because we haven't developed a normalized infrastructure to support wide use of EVs yet. Treating it like a normal car (right now with our current infrastructure), i.e. going to the charging station like he is as if it were a gas pump, isn't really realistic or feasible.
@@AFKburrito Not sure you guys live, but myself and endless others just charge them at their house and have a full 'tank' every morning they want it, for a fraction of the cost of gas as well, and 100% windsourced energy in my case. 95+% of time for me and others, their car is at home overnight. So much better than any gas stations stops. And of course let's just say for road trip charging needs, there's Tesla, and then there's a major drop off as others networks are were Tesla was like 5+ years ago yet.
lol
that was meant to be funny I suppose
Never thought Shmee could have a bad day with how he carries himself. Turns out he is human, keep the head up and looking forward!
u can't really have a bad day in that car ...unless u crash
@@pumpuppthevolume or your battery dies where there is no cell service.
@@pumpuppthevolume Yea you can, especially when you own better cars & that one currently also looks odd with the wrap situation.
He's on camera. He was probably throwing f bombs when the camera went off. LOL
He's been cursed with a large inheritance but somehow he remains chipper.
It's a good thing that you can monetize the 3-4 hours your spent failing to charge your car. For the rest of us, that would be a deal-killer.
For a lot of people that would be the sack.
Yea the charging network for non-teslas aren't looking great.
Imagine all these EV owners going on holiday waiting for charging up their EVs each taking 1 hour wow the line ups on the road to cottage country on national holiday
As a Tesla owner for the past 5 years; this was absolutely PAINFUL to watch; I don't know why the non Tesla fast chargers are so temperamental and horrible; I have supercharged hundreds and hundreds of times with my car; you show up; back in; plug in and walk away; it's that simple; no dicking around with buttons or apps or swipe cards or any of that crap. I had only one experience where the SC didn't work and that was because power was off to the entire town for an hour; gas stations were out of commission too.
I really hope these non Tesla charge companies get their act together; it's videos like these that are doing nothing for the EV cause in fact they hinder it.
I buy my cars second hand and without finance so I am a few years away from getting an EV but I agree with you. Ionity was supposed to be the premium charger no? I am suspicious after 4 failed charges the fault may be with the car.
As an owner for nearly eight years, you’re absolutely correct. In the early days, it was still easy to find sufficient Super Chargers since Elon thought ahead. Now it’s near impossible not to find an SC or even destination charger in the Tesla network. You can literally drive on any road in US and be within driving range of a Tesla charger. Pull in,plug in and you’re on your way.
I concur. 4 years driving Tesla and never had a bum charger. They come out with nice new EVs from other companies and I am glad, but I am not tempted to change until they have reliable, trouble-free charging (which I enjoy now).
@@GR8TDUCK I've seen some bum SC's, but it was real easy to move to a good one. ONLY time it's difficult to SC is on Holiday weekends where everyone is trying to get out of town. It's rare, but it happens. IN those cases, best to go night before or plan in advance. Fortunately, Tesla Navi tells you where's the nearest SC and how many slots are available. It also preheats battery if you set it as destination. Its seemless compared to EA and other commercially available chargers.
@@alexnutcasio936 I'll check that out :)
No need to apologise pal, This is the type of honest journalistic approach we need.
Exactly. First objective review I have seen. Until this point either its a manufacturer supplied vehicle or someone trying to convince the world (and themselves) that they made a great purchase.
@@StrikeEngine Totally agree... I would also add that a friend of mine just sold his second Taycan because the actual one does not charge anymore... For me there is a huuuge difference today between having to live with an EV or with a Tesla... Superchargers are a gigantic bonus.
Thanks for an honest, real world look at the current (no pun intended!) issues. This is one reason we are seeing so many Teslas at the moment on UK roads as they have the charging support required to make ev ownership viable. Lots of people would make the switch but are waiting for much needed increase in reliable chargers, back to chicken and the egg situation!
Polar did a 9 unit hub next to the M1 18 months before Rugby, though they are only 50kW. Gridserve built their 36 unit hub in Essex before Rugby too. You’re right it is changing very fast.
@@SLCQD Taycan't
Imagine to deal with all this after a day job at 5 PM...
Worse yet charging before work
Thats why im never buying an EV
@@R1___ yerrrrrrrp. Screw this.
Or when you’re out with hungry toddlers or in a rush to get somewhere! Imagine the stress of it all……!
Imagine having chargers at work, problem solved ;)
This was a 'real life world experience', thank you so much for the honesty!
Yeah It's the same in the states also. Big thing is we have lots of stations but most don't work or when they do they are slow. Out of Spec Motoring does road trips and shows the issues in the states. To be honest who wants to go on a 400 or 500 mile trip and spend and extra hour charging your EV and that's if you're lucky. The other issue is what if you can't charge at home, if you can't then you better hope they have something decent at work if not then it just isn't worth it
This is a really useful and informative video - many thanks. You are one of the few bothering to show us the day to day realities on this, behind the sweeping drone shots of new EV and the dealer comments that a plethora of working high-speed chargers are available everywhere now. Thank you.
Imagine the anxiety of all the charging points being occupied and there’s no parking spaces opposite the charging points so you’re queuing, but nobody knows you’re waiting. Then some other bugger turns up and takes your spot... the cycle continues... I can’t deal with that. Why cant you book your slot in advance.
I hear ya. That shit give me anxiety at store but if everyone checking out took 30-60 mins shit would go down.
Imagine a lot of people book in advance and then there will be a waiting list and all, or like the you only get to book like 3 months later
You can’t be confident when you go away from your home zone. If you drive 80 miles, by the time you get there either the charger can be busy, broken or occupied. Here in California there are more chargers now but many “dead zones” with few chargers. EVs work great charging at home. Out in the wild it’s not as certain.
"What did you do today?" "I charged my car to 1/2 charge."
People say home charging is a key but only 5% of households in the uk can home charge the other 95% are like Tim no access to home charging. 95% that's almost everybody.
@@cephasmakuzva That "5%" number is just pointless and outdated. It is early days and very few have installed chargers. We are no near the maximum amount of private charger locations being installed. Sure there is probably as massive percentage of UK car owners who don't own a place a to charger. My guess it's somwhere between 30% to 40% who do not have the geographical conditions to install a charger. That still means 60% can install a charger. Stop spreading the lie that is "5%".
Daft thing is that these are meant to be the 'best' chargers on the network (apart from Tesla superchargers)
@@cephasmakuzva what does 5% mean though? Only 25% of people dont have offroad parking in the UK
@@MrFizzbox yes that's true but what car ? Magazine found that off that only 5% have the conditions to install an electric car charger without any hassle at all. Its misleading your suggesting anyone with offroad parking can get a charger installed well shmee has offroad parking can't get a charger in.
Those "early adopter taxes" aren't always a monetary tax.
Time, patience and sheer will are also commodities.
that's so true
As a tesla owner, I cannot imagine ever dealing with these charging issues. I also can't imagine owning an EV without an at home charging setup. This was fucking brutal to watch.
when I bought my Model 3 in 2018 the closest supercharger was 20 miles from my home. My home didn't have a 240v plug so I was using the 115v wall charger. My work is 60 miles each way so by the time I got home all I could charge for was 8 hours@8 miles per hour. There were times where I would be on the way home and would literally have to sit at a supercharger 5 cities over just so I could make it to work the next day. I have a 240v charger now and waking up to a full tank every day and not having to take time out of my day to charge is such a life changing experience.
Damn that sounds like a struggle! Lol I’m lucky that my apartment provides free charging so I never have to worry. And yeah can’t imagine not having the supercharger network
Absolutely. You have to charge at home with the occasional charge in the move. With my i3 REX I don’t even bother charging away from home now, I just use the generator for 3% of journeys.
Me either! I love my Tesla, home charger and Solar Panels!
@@The3nd187 You had no business buying an EV without installing a 240v plug at home.
Can we take a minute to appreciate that Shmee kept up pretty much daily uploads throughout lockdown!
Thanks Shmee!
👍
All work and no play makes Johnny a dull boy !
@@markthoughtswithukrainemas2072 im pretty sure most people know that, but this person mentioned the fact that there are daily uploads. Of course he films multiple videos at once and uploads them later, but the fact that he manages to film that many videos and gets them edited is amazing.
@@asterionse4769 Can you enlighten me what else he is supposed to do ESPECIALLY during a lock down? It's not like you can't work as a youtuber. He talks about cand drives cars. Meaning he basically has to barely see anyone else (for longer stretches of time). Shmee is doing a good job but it's a fact that business has been especially good for a lot of content creators since his customerbase had a lot more time to view.
@@markthoughtswithukrainemas2072 no, but there is new content we haven't watched before every day.
Tim was in a better mood when his senna was side swipped but that lorry, than trying to get his EV charged.😲
It’s probably more disappointed.When you pay a lot of money for a car you expect it to work well, EV’s have far to come.
The senna was not side swiped it was it was hit
Such an honest video. Very informative for those of us who live in a flat/apartment and work full time so we don't have the time to do what Shmee did today. One of your best videos yet. Give us more of this.
Interesting video. Thank you for sharing your experience, I wondered how it all worked(or didn't work in this case!). A small slither of success is that you've got another subscriber.
Waiting for the At The Porsche Dealer video.
Me to
Agreed, it's gotta be the car, can't really blame the network (although it was pretty awful) when two separate chargers report a problem with the car itself...
yeah, think the issue is with the car
I love how Shmee's looking at every car that is passing him on the road. He's a true car enthusiasts!
Don't we all?! Lol
Hes probably also a hot woman enthusiast
Who doesn’t? Even my parents that mix up Mclarens with Lamborghinis would point out a nice car
You better always do when driving.
not really, it's all the predictable stuff in his garage
Real world experience documented. Thanks, Tim.
Imagine this if you were a "normal" person with a 9-5 job trying to get to charge up, go to work or going home from work charging up, its utterly ridiculous for people who cannot spend hours just waiting to fill it up
Most people have a home charger that charges their EV overnight while they sleep and most people would only need to charge their EV no more than twice a week if their commute to work is under 100 miles round trip. If not they use a rapid fast charger that charges the vehicle to full in an hour while they are out having a meal for example.
This guy is a self-important know-it-all. Oh, bother! What a tiresome whiner! He’s a dumb a$$. Nothing he says squares up with the 3 EVs I have owned for the last 6 years. They are simply the best. This jackaloupe is living in the past.
@@markzieg3593 my favorite is that he blames the Porsche for his parking skills (or lack thereof, LOL!
@@Peter-vn8ue not sure where you live, but I have never been to a restaurant with an ev charger.
@@markzieg3593 Maybe but i will never drive electric,why not? Because i choose not to
Oh my god, I have never seen Tim so mad before. Ya'll can feel how annoyed deep inside he is. Trying his best to keep it cool.
I think he is frustrated because he was trying so hard to embrace the new technology, when so many of us were saying 'don't bother - its too early'. He was being open minded (unlike me), and sank a large sum of money into the car only to find that the theory is OK, but in practise it is an extremely flawed and sometimes unworkable situation.
I am sure although Tim doesn't work 9-5 in an office, he has great call on his time with a busy schedule, I am equally sure he doesn't have time to bugger around like this and still not achieve his objective.
Lets face it. If this had been an ICE car it would have taken 10 minutes and virtually zero miles to put 300 miles + range into a car!
I expect he feels totally let down and out of love with EV's
The power required to move an eCar is in the megawatt range. Relying on a battery pack for that is optimistic at best - delusional at worst. Electron volt storage is deeply problematic for the electronics industry with almost all power being generated on demand. Trying to start an industry fresh, with pure battery storage has no basis in fact or history. Batteries have been used as a secondary source of power for decades and using a battery for the only power source exposes it's weakness - a short life.
@@JustBadly You sound delusional bro. The Batteries in a Tesla will last for hundreds of thousands of miles, and can be swapped out for a few thousand dollars (by then). Far cheaper to do that then to burn gasoline to travel that distance.
@@takanara7 you sound optimistic bro
@@JustBadly its been done tho. A shuttle company in the US has some of the highest milage Teslas in the world (300-500k miles) and still on the same battery pack. As for a few thousand dollar swap, I dont know the true cost, but the battery packs are getting less expensive than 8 years ago.
Tim is the type of guy I would not like to have as an angry customer. You can feel the tension and how he is trying to keep it cool, however...
I had range anxiety just watching!
He would make your existence hell
yeah I Know right......
It’s so important that we get videos like this tho, I’m glad he took on the inconvenience. conversations like the ones on Sam’s podcast where shmee was featured also need more light. I’m so bloody tired of the brown nosing that EV fans do and in particular Tesla fangirls. These things have problems and that’s ok, but atleast admit it and be honest. I’m however glad it will get better in time. EV People just need to stop frikken acting like EV’s are the bullet proof saviors of the earth right now. I think Shmee is the only BIG CarUTuber who has done a video like this with an honest approach and exposed the very obvious but not often talked about issues.
omg yes the silent rage
I want to sincerely thank you for your content Shmee. Your channel has has turned me off buying anything other than a standard Toyota Yaris for the rest of my life.
I can fully recommend the GR version
I am an EV enthusiast running a Tesla model X for the last four years and I very much appreciate the open mindedness and honesty with which you are approaching your EV journey. There are definitely infrastructure issues and even here in Norway I am not sure I would whole heartedly recommend an EV to someone who does not have the ability to charge at home. That said, Tesla have done really well with their supercharging network with large charging sites and excellent availability. Within twenty minutes of where I live there are three sites giving a total of 76 fast charging stalls.
Mark my words,it won't be long before we start to see charger rage / punch ups because people will push in and not wait their turn.
Your so right. My stress levels from using our busy roads with rubbish drivers then add this ev thing to it I would drive the car off a cliff with me in it. 😬
@@TheBendalina 🎉
Already happening!!
re: "won't be long before we start to see charger rage / punch ups because people will push in and not wait their turn" this WILL happen, if we recall 2 ladies famously fought over paper towels at the supermarket in the beginning of the Global Pandemic.
@@TheBendalina You're..
Can you imagine having a unhappy wife and young children in the car trying to “fill up”😂🇦🇺
You drive your car into a building like an automatic car wash and they change the battery in 2 minutes, there
@@donchristie420 What???
@@brettymike on the road battery exchange places- where you change batteries for a freshly charged one as you travel. You drive into a building and it’s exchanged as you sit in your car while it’s being done in just a few minutes, less time than it takes to “ fill up” a gasoline tank
Or an unhappy husband...
@@donchristie420 Haha! you are having a nice dream there! :-D....you can't do that because the battery is as heavy as hell, and most often built in to most of the car floor LOL!. It sounds like you work in the office at an EV firm.
Tim,
the best I have seen so far. Thank you very much. All the small problems you have experienced, including the rain, no roofs at the charging stations, and waiting for a free spot staying in line. Talking about the car I only can hope that Porsche will come with a real Turbo for the Taycan. I don't care how many screens a car has and how big there are. I want to drive a car. Having a family in the car during a holiday season will be a nightmare for a very long time. On top of it, I see still too many golf carts in my club that break down because of battery problems. And this industry is around for more than 20 years and simple.
Drove to leeds a few months ago in my new electric VW from London , needed a charge enroute …. A journey that should of taken 4-5 hrs including charging . Took 10 hours !!! Broken charges , 3 hour queues and problems with chargers and account issues ! I can’t afford that level of time !!!!
That night Shmee went to sleep dreaming of owning a dirty Diesel 🤣🤣🤣
Nice one.
Or a V8 petrol engine with a manual gearbox on his Taycan... that would be really sweeeeet
xaxaxax nice!!
Looool
New diesel technology is actually pretty clean.
I own the Tesla, this video makes you realize how valuable a charging network is
With a Tesla you can travel in Europe with ease.
@@Becausefamilycar If you like a modern minimalistic interior as well, that’s the right car brand.
@@Kasuga-san *low quality*
The charging network is probably the only reason to own a Tesla over other EVs.
Tesla are junk
WHAT A JOKE!
"so what did you do this weekend?"
"oh, it was awesome, I got to spend the weekend waiting for -paint to dry- car to charge"
With fast charging by the time you have got food for the kids the car is charged. 40 minutes for me
- Honey, where will we spend the weekend?
- I have a great idea, we'll go out charging.
😂😂😂😂
Imagine hundreds of thousands EV owners spending more time charging EVs than enjoying holiday at cottage.
@@simonsmith8974 What they DON'T tell EV owners is " FAST CHARGERS" shorten life span of batteries and you should let them empty completely then fully charge them on SLOW low voltage charger
Could you imagine pulling up to a gas pump and praying that it will work lol. Good lord.
And when you finally find a working pump you don't know if it is £1.55 per liter or £4.00 per liter!
then waiting 20mins to use the next pump then waiting 45mins for your car to fuel up!!!!! all this just to go electric not to mention paying way more for an EV on top.
@@deficator750 I wake up every morning to a full tank and the time I save not fueling day to day more than offsets the time I would spend charging on a road trip. But thats just my usage pattern. I quite like my EV but each to their own
Well, that happens too.
Next time can you not accidentally predict the future please?
Regards,
The UK going through a stupid bit of petrol pump related nonsense
I admire you Tim for running an EV without a charger at home. I could never manage my Mercedes EQC without my garage charger!
Agree. Madness not using a home charger
His parking situation is pretty awkward, and to set up a charger that you rely on with someone that could just park in your space would be terrible.
@@MaxskiSynths I agree however with those known restrictions why purchase a top of the range EV. Why not wait until you have a sensible home parking and charging environment before taking on an EV - that’s what I did and far far less trouble
Why is it admirable?
@@cephasmakuzva so much for a “swanky” apartment! What a waste but the question still stands knowing the facts and assuming he’s bright enough to know the issues why give yourself unnecessary hassle and buy any EV where you cannot enjoy home charging. No amount of so called ‘richness’ is gonna help sort it out except move house.
Really enjoyed your video thanks for posting. Got me thinking about how life must’ve been For people when cars started to become the norm, with few petrol stations around i’m sure would’ve faced similar issues to what you did today. I’m sure however that the progression towards a similar level of service that we get from petrol stations for electric stations will be much quicker.
this was a fantastic video, Tim.
I am really considering an EV but the infrastructure just isn't there yet.
I've thought long and hard because i live in the city as i have no private parking - so, i'd have to get in line to charge somewhere.
When traveling across the USA, i see the lines of EV all waiting at the reststops. i go in, use the rest room, eat lunch, head back to car... and the same cars are there same place in line...
then i head off in my non-ev vehicle.
yes, not yet ready for my money. But hopefully enough folks with off-street parking start buying EVs and the infrastructure will grow enough to support those without off street parking.
Next video: I've sold my Taycan and here's the replacement
As cool as it is EVs suck
...and it's a Tesla Model S Plaid.
@@VaunShiz couldn't agree more
@@MrTurdskin 500 mile range🇺🇸👍
@@VaunShiz absolutely 100% correct. You would have to be a total Moran to get caught up in the EV BS. Nothing says moron more than buying a Tesla though. At least this Porsche and also the Audiook cool, even though they're both still utter cr@pola.
Imagine on your weekend spending even half the time of what Tim spent to charge his car... 2 hours wasted time to charge your car
Imagine this happening on a road trip
@@ActualDegen Imagine buying a fucking EV without having any charging option to where you usually take it, thats just a stupid buying decision.
The government steps in and creates a charging network powered by Solar so it's almost completely paid for by itself without the maintenance required
@@bros1083 sounds like communism to me
He's spending who knows how much money to rent garage space and he can't get an extension cord?
Thank you for this honest, real-life description of what its still like using the charging network in England. As a company car driver I’ve driven plug-in hybrids since 2014 to 2019 and can honestly say that 90% of the time I was running on petrol. When it came to charging, the stations were always hit and miss, and when they did work the charge rate was always at a snails pace (apart from Tesla there weren’t fast chargers when I was driving). I am amazed that the charging situation in the SE of England is still so poor (I haven’t driven PHEV for over 3yrs). I know that electric cars are the way forward but for the time being I still firmly believe that PHEV is the only viable alternative. Thanks for the video 👍.
What's the productivity loss for society if everyone is waiting on the side of a motorway for half hour waiting for their iCar to charge?
The same as when you're in the shop having to fix your transmission for the umpteenth time at your VW dealer...oh sorry I was projecting there.
Most will charge at their home.
Or the rush hour chaos because someone's run out of battery in a traffic jam.
Been here since the purple R8 and I can not remember Tim getting so upset during a video.
This is a great representation of his authticity and even though it was very frustating, I still enjoyed watching the video.
Cheeers
Shmee giving the real insight of living the EV life
It's the first time I've ever heard Tim even slightly upset (which means that normal people would be loosing their mind).
@@dwtrksvc yaa right said i have seen him mad in one more video which was when he took his vintage mini cooper for a drive and in that video the car broke down and he was pissed he even sweared lol
@@SwissCrypto same here. Mine is charging right now ready for my commute in the morning
@@SwissCrypto yeah if you cant charge at home better just buy ice cars, ev is better when you can charge at home
I'm glad you made this vlog. My brother has a Ford Mach E and he charges at home with solar panels. I'm hoping that the stage of chargers will be fixed AND FAST!!!
A very well put together film. It clearly shows that in the UK in 2021 owning an EV without home charging is just not practical. Home charging for a huge number of car owners is just not possible.
I'm sure that eventually we'll all be using these vehicles but there appear to be huge obstacles to overcome.
Tim, you are an actual legend! I would not be able to keep my calm in a situation like this, especially if it happens often. Mad respect to you, Sir!
This real life experience really puts me off the whole ev thing. One day though . . . Great stuff as always, bud
@Isaac Nesbitt yeah but teslas are so poorly built they’re out of the question
One day though for sure. I just don’t think it’s ready for all of us yet. Hopefully they make the cars more engaging
It seems like the best use is still as just a daily driver if you can charge at home or at work. For trips beyond the range you are just going to run into a lot of inconveniences and additional time vs an ICE. A two car family could live comfortably with an EV.
@@lynxfx best if you have a short drive to work
@Isaac Nesbitt idk man, for the money you’re paying it’s not that impressive. Just a big screen and fancy gadgets
Never watch Tim’s videos, the small amount of the Shmee character I’ve seen elsewhere, SOL and STG rubs me the wrong way. But I found this video thoroughly fascinating and time to be engaging and thoughtful. Well done Tim great video, would love to see more like this. Real world experience.
You forgot to close the flap at the BP station, it really set my OCD off hahahaha.
It's interesting I've been looking at one of these and the video sums up the reason why I am staying away from EV's just now, there just doesn't seem to be the infrastructure available here in the UK at the moment which is a shame because these car's just drive so well.
Makes me think that there is massive business opportunities in private charging stations.
One way trip to the Porsche dealership “sell, sell, sell” . That video was literally painful to watch. I wish you the best.
Your patience and ability to document this so well it amazing
I'd like to see the cut outs with all the swearing and screaming.
@@kreiseltower me too 😂
Yeah I appreciate he didn't cut the frustrating parts. Seems to be a re-occurring theme especially for those without home chargers.
I have 2 points nearby to me, which offer free charging up to 40 mins but it won't be long before they are always occupied.
@@faisalleeds I have a few supermarkets in my area that now have ONE charging station on their carpark. The carpark has a capacity for a few hundred cars I guess. And EV are common enough by now, that you won't find a spot at the charging station when u arrive..
Lol, when he said give me some “Ludicrously” fast charging speed.
Herbert Deiss had a similar experience during an ID.3 on a vacation recently. I think there is awareness at the top that the infrastructure isn't reliable enough.
Yo shmee love your videos man,you are a hard working content creator indeed, with these uploads
I appreciate that!
I 2nd that 👍
Eagerly waiting for your gt black series. 😍🔥
Likewise
I admire your patience. I will stick with my V8 thanks. Is there a lock to prevent someone disconnecting you if you leave it to charge while you go for a rest stop?
Thank you very much for this video and your experience.
I dare not imagine a person in a wheelchair who would have to travel alone at the wheel of an electric vehicle.
The charging stations are not accessible to the wheelchair, wait for it to charge in the rain, go out and enter as many times as there are broken down stations (this also happens with gas pumps, but not so often).
Mass adoption of electric vehicle is likely to become a big problem for people in wheelchairs.
I am French, interested in the electric car. Living in France, I think the situation is the same in France.
Accessibility should nonetheless improve. Surprising that no one thinks about it!
Even worse, a lot of times you’ll have someone who see’s a car about to leave and then steals that spot you were waiting so long for.
Why dont they have an aisle. Like a normal filling station?
I felt your frustration. Exactly why I won’t be getting an electric car anytime soon. Great video
And even if u get one, u definitely need a home charger as it seems 😏
It’s definitely a UK issue. EVs are very popular and very well supplied here in the Nordic countries (Sweden/Norway). Hell, in Norway like 6/10 cars you see on the road are electric.
I totally understand your pain, and based on your video I would argue that having an EV in the UK is a bit prematurely at the moment. Ive had a couple of Teslas in Norway for 5 years now, with both home charger and access to the public charging network across the country, and it has never been an issue for me or my family. Never met a faulty charger, luckily. When Europe opens up again, I would recommend you to do a travel report bringing your car over the sea and experiencing Norway as an EV driver. 👍
I feel the pain, thats why i chose the Tesla Model S. I never had any issue charging anywhere and I already did some longer trips with 2 significant charging stops.
I hope that the charging network for the other brands improves a lot because thats essential for EV adoption!
I know Tim… I know…
I have owned a BWM i3s and it was the worst experience I’ve had owning any car. It was 3 years ago in the Netherlands and the nearest fast charger to my home in Friesland was a 40km drive from my house. Luckily we had a home charger, but the range was shocking. I ended up using the car exclusively for doing shopping or driving to work, making it useless for when anyone else wanted to go further than 100 km away from home . You mentioned that the Netherlands has a great infrastructure, but much like the UK, there are many chargers around the bigger cities, but in the countryside there are next to none. Electric cars are not yet the future.
This is a train wreck. Get a Tesla and find a place to also charge at home if you can. These non-Tesla chargers are infamous for this experience. You didn't have bad luck. This is the experience.
Electric cars are balls imo . I did a weekend test drive of a model s because I wanted to love and buy it. Andthe car itself is dope but I can’t shake that weird feeling like my phone is going to die. Coupled with passing gas stations that take a fraction of my precious time to fill up, I’m holding off. Hopefully forever
@@markg1495 These issues will be resolved in a matter of a few years, if not less. This is a problem of different charging standards and new software, something that will work itself out as it has in the past with other new technologies. Eventually finding charging will be a non-issue as you'll be able to charge at traditional gas stations, your office park, your shopping mall, basically every time you park somewhere, making "going to fill up" unnecessary unless you go on a road trip.
What you conveniently fail to appreciate is that the car is obviously the problem. All the other cars were charging fine, this car threw out the same error at two different chargers. So the car needs a software fix. Tesla chargers have just as many issues. Stop following Musk on Twitter, do some rationale thinking and your day will be much better. We promise
@@article1934 Tesla chargers do not have "just as many issues". Stop stating things as facts when you don't have the knowledge and your day will be much better. We promise.
@@saschamaj They are near USELESS for the serious holiday trip away though.
This is a brilliant review, I really appreciate you uploading this as we've been seriously thinking about an EV. Thank you.
What was astonishing to me was the cost per KW at the supercharger. When you compare it to an efficient diesel like I have the numbers do not stack up yet. My diesel does 670miles on a full tank with an avg 58mpg. Tax £20 year.
I'll stick with what I've got thanks, particularly with the overinflated prices of EVs.
Nice to see an honest ev review with no agenda.Lucky you have more than one car,That would drive me nuts.I wonder if people include wasted miles like that in efficiency comparisons with other forms of power plant.
“I have just been abusing myself”. Well, gotta pass the time some how as you wait for it to charge!
lol
This is the reason why EV vehicles are really not taking off in Australia.
The government steps in creates a solar powered charging network and makes profit since it's all pretty much paid for itself
They are not very good for the environment. They do much more damage to the environment to manufacture and they still need fossil fuels to power them. Solar power is horribly inefficient & takes endless amounts of land. The maintenance is also a nightmare on the solar panels. Let's not forget the COUNTLESS birds that get deep fried when they fly over the solar panels...
@@oldcrook510 A) better than gas guzzling gas stations, b house cats kill more birds than solar and wine combined
@@oldcrook510 Have you got an article that mentions birds getting fried over sorry panels?
@@oldcrook510 Indeed. I'm currently fighting a class action against Sunnica. They cover vast swathes of beautiful landscapes with Solar panels, which produce around 12% of the power they promise when they first spring up.
It's a con. I used to have alot if faith in Solar but not anymore. The size if land you need to power just one home for a year is MIND BLOWING.
Is it a problem with the Porsche communication software with the charger? There were a lot of different cars charging there without problems.
Was thinking the same thing.
This video cured me of any desire to buy an EV.
You not heard of Tesla
Road tripping in a non-Tesla EV is certainly not easy in most of the world - because you risk having experiences like this. Even though this experience is rare, it also feels easily avoidable and lazy, because there's no premature warnings and very little support. When your car breaks down you might not be discouraged because it'd be a rare experience and there's a decent support system in place to get you going if it happens - and that's not often the case with erroneous EV charging today, which is what I think is the worst part about it.
Charging at home is a massive advantage to EV ownership though, and without it I don't think any A-B driver is at fault for dismissing EVs without further consideration. But the infrastructure is still expanding rapidly, and in a decade it'll be very easy to use for sure. It's just a question of when it becomes good enough for you. Charging time and planning is the biggest downside of EVs for sure, but there's also many advantages. And they'll tip the balance for people as soon as infrastructure is good enough for their use cases.
I never had that desire on the first place
@@geoffreyhoward-smith9486 I have been reading a lot about Tesla over the past month, and a Tesla may be in my future.
7/13/21, EV is a religion, it's not practical vis-a-vis gas @ all.
I am STRESSED out watching this on my TV !!! Really not for me at the moment, good job you're not going to a meeting 🙄
if you have a tesla it is a different story
If that's your only car and on your way to a meeting, or you have gone in to the cafe for 40 minutes then come out to find it stopped charging 35mins ago. Not there yet for most people I reckon.
Some EV's text you on your phone if there is a charging problem. Mine texts me even if I leave a window open. It can get annoying :)
Great Video. How are you getting on with charging since this video was made?
Thats a great colour I wish more manufacturers did green goes very well with the gold. The issues your having, is one reason I've ordered a Tesla at least you can fall back on the Superchargers (hopefully).
Great Video 👍
Who has time for all this BS. It's such a massive downgrade to the currently quick & easy process of refuelling a petrol car - that's the problem
We need to sacrifice for the climate or whatever. I think that's the reasoning behind the EV insanity.
Couldn't agree more. I get "yelled" at often for simply saying "this won't work for me, sorry". I live in the western US. 100s of miles is a "normal" trip, often in freezing weather, and sparsely populated (no charging points) to boot. Plus, I really don't like the smugness of the "better for the environment" part of the EV argument. The mining necessary to make the batteries is extremely harmful to the environment. And there is no real recycling program aside from a handful of companies. We are simply substituting one non-renewable resource (oil) for another (cobalt, lithium, etc). Until the daily experience of owning and driving an EV is "better" (meaning easier, more convenient) they will be expensive grocery-getters for wealthy, home-owning, suburbanites.
No one has looked at the elephant in the kitchen here, what happens when your battery has seen its best days long gone and needs a replacement. The present price I am not 100% sure of but I believe it’s around £3000 per battery and an sure high end cars will be much more expensive! Then the other huge problem, disposal, what’s going to happen to all these large Lumps of mixed harmful materials needing to be disposed of very carefully? In the future no doubt they will be easily restored to full working order again.
You can use the argument about climate change until yoir blue in the face but for me it just doesn’t work
@@davidcorbett62 The other part to that is while all the fanboys claim the batteries will last until the end of time, thats really not whats happening in reality. If you crawl along they last just fine (unless you're in a hot climate in certain cars) but if you ask much work from them they really don't. My first Leaf had a replacement under warranty then my second was at 77% state of health when I got rid at two years old. My Zoe was at 82% at two years and 19,000 miles then my model S was heading down at a rate of knots until I got sick of it falling to bits and sent it back.
I'm not particularly hard on the cars but I don't stick to charging it just before I go out and crawling along with the heater off either. I just use them as a car. That seems to be a problem for too many of them.
@@siraff4461 yep. Agree to all. I know Jaguar are giving a 10 year warranty with their batteries in the I Pace but unlikely they will reach that maturity before failing.
Yes battery operated cars have came a long way in the last 5 years but it’s going to take at least another 5 before they have any decent range or reduction in weight. Basically the car where rushed into service before they or the infrastructure was anywhere near ready, so today’s buyer of the very overpriced cars are basically test monkeys for the whole battery car system for both the manufacture and charging systems through out the country, what should have happened was the opposite, firstly a nationwide multiple Ie approx system every 10 miles. The cars to be substantially cheaper £10,000 in many cases, just to get the motorist interested and the system perfected. Instead he have cars priced out of the market for the average motorist and a hotch potch of charging stations either too few or not working. You can of course buy a very expensive Tesla who have provided many charging stations but which only charge their cars, that should be changed to allow any motorist to use them
To me they are too expensive brought to the market far to quickly, are very dangerous in a collision due to their readiness to burst into flames and reliability is still to be proven. So I will hold onto my V8 for a while yet and to those souls who wish to castigate me over that decision firstly research what the various part are made from and how they are mined, them work out roughly if the UK where completely devoid of any petrol/diesel vehicles on its roads, how much it would actually mean to the worlds greenhouse gases? Think you will find it won’t make the slightest difference, because while we sit happy and smiling proud of our achievement, China will be pouring out more chemicals into the air than we ever did. Never ever follow what w politician thinks is a good idea because 1. He/she usually has their sums totally wrong 2. They will have a hand deeply into the wad of money made from any new technology.
Love how shmee’s intro always changed depending on what car is the main feature
Thanks for an honest review and perspective.
7 years 110,000 miles in Tesla P85 100% 24/7 uptime and never had to wait. London to Edinburgh often done or local either way only a Tesla works as Car ie use to travel all over Europe and UK. Any other get a home charger and your range is 1/2 range from home. How do I know? I also use a Zero SRF EV motorbike on public chargers, nightmare.Teslas location for the charge port on left rear light is optimal. Your perseverance and honest reporting appreciated, the infrastructure is hopeless, but EVs are brilliant and worth it.
This video is the best advert for keeping my 10 year old 320D. Thanks Tim!
Really enjoy your videos Tim,Thanks for the great content.@7:55 in Noticed the white van pull up beside you and check out what you were doing then backed off,lol.
The charging stalls should be setup for parallel parking next to them like gas pumps to make it easier to reach the charging ports on the cars. And there should be canopies to protect customers and the chargers from adverse weather conditions.
Thank you for sharing this very realistic experience, I was, repeat was contemplating buying an electric car but you have saved me a lot of money and obviously a lot of grief.
I had the same problem with an Ionity charger (the car detected a problem): the porsche engineers told me, that it might happen, if the cable is stretched very much and thus the plug does not get full contact (that's at least how I understood it). I changed the position of the car and it worked after that. Another hint for you: if you want to charge on a fast charger like Ionity, set it as a navigation-target, so that the car knows about it an can preheat the battery for faster charging speed (alternativly you can switch into Sport Plus Mode, this should warm up the battery too).
I used to have an EV and it’s safe to say it was a stressful experience. Granted it didn’t have many miles of range but as an EV owner you begin to learn that the only reliable charge station is at your house.
ContenderRacer 5 , Just one Question , did your electricity bill escalate ?? No one mentions this when talking Electric Cars.
@@jeanwood6392 It did but it wasn’t a large increase. I can’t remember the exact number because it was a few years ago.
Thanks ContentedRacer5 , I’ll stick to my Petrol Porsche.
Oh man, I love these Taycan fast charging videos. So much fun to follow 😂😂😂
the car tried to charge too fast and the chargers gave in and over heated. that what may have happened
I don't have anything as much problems as this charging. always poor quality charger units
As engineer who worked on this i am happy to see you are enjoying it
Couldn’t imagine going through all of that if you were trying to do a road trip around Europe
It's quite easy if you can use both Ionity + Tesla supercharger network. Makes Crossing Europe quite easy. But very difficult if you can't use both networks.
It's not a road trip, it's a charging trip.
Great video Tim and for being so transparent about this. Very few automotive TH-camrs actually show this side of EV’s
I certainly appreciate your determination to get your car charged despite the problems!
I loved this video - you are showing us the real EV experience and that’s not a failure. I admire your patience. A Benny Hill version of this video would be a hit.
Watching these videos makes me LOVE my TESLA more and more. I have never had any issues at a Tesla charging station, and I was also smart enough to know not to buy an EV without having the ability to charge at home.
16:44 - here you can see why there are many cars charging. It's currently free! - free juice! yeah, for course more people will charge over there. Plus, it doesn't help that there are two chargers not working.
Thank you for saving me a huge amount of stress and time wasted...there is no way I'm getting an ev. No way. That was truly a nightmare to watch.
Ile stick with diesel could not be arsed messing around charging up all time
Bet you wished you had kept your V12 Lusso now....I kept mine...and values slowly increasing....think I will wait before going down this route, maybe a very long time
I was getting anxious just watching this. You handled it much better than I would.
This is content for him..
Hello TIM
Since I discovered your channel (thanks in part to a guest appearance on Emelia Hardford's channel :)), I have been following it on a regular basis. Your car collection is amazing. I respect you for what you do. Thank you for the portion of reliable information about cars, which will probably always remain in my sphere of dreams. A piece of good work. Cheers TIM :)
Thanks so much, appreciate it a lot!
The key at this stage of the mass EV Charger rollout is to only use networks you know you can rely on. I only use Gridserve, Shell Rechargeand InstaVolt networks and have never had an issue. Haven’t used Ionity and looking at this I will leave it a while for them to sort it out!
I don't know exactly, but I read in the forum that you need a "Mode 3 charging cable"! The latest version of this cable should be available at the dealership! But here's a forum that describes this problem :
Tim, I'd just come on back to the states. Since being home you've had nothing but probs.
Haha it's true
A good friend of mine works on fitting charging stations. He claims it’s all well and good to keep throwing them up but the cables underground (some are very very old) will not cope with the demand.🤔
@HVACRWrld new build homes near me are all having charging stations fitted as standard yet the cables must be 60 years old. Imagine 6pm and every house (there are 200 homes) plugs in 🙈
You could get a diesel generator on a trailer and bring it with you wherever you go.
Or a battery
Put the generator on the roof, you can charge the battery while you're driving!!
Thanks for sharing this. In the US superchargers are even more sparse. I love the Taycan but this shows I need to keep waiting (that and the price tag of courses, lol)