My PROBLEMS with ELECTRIC CARS! Driving the Porsche Taycan Home
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มิ.ย. 2024
- We're driving my Porsche Taycan Turbo S back home, with plenty to think about along the way. What do you need to do differently for an EV road trip? How is it on the continent versus the UK? Is this really the future, are we doing the right thing with electric cars?
It's been quite the adventure; 1,500 miles / 2,500 km across from London to Munich, with many, many charging stops along the way to really have a full experience of what it's like and more learning of the electric car world. While the journey itself has been pretty smooth sailing, there are certainly issues and concerns for what happens next.
Fundamentally, doing a trip like this requires a different plan to doing the same with a combustion engine; notably more frequent stops albeit very briefly in order to maximise the charge time. It turned out to be very fluid through most European countries but the issues certainly arose at our two UK charging stops. Finally though, I want to give some more of my thoughts about charging in general and the direction it is all heading.
Thanks for watching, Tim
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:52 Preparations
02:01 Getting started
03:33 Eifel Mountains
04:11 Belgium
04:55 EV road trip experience
07:37 Second charge
08:19 Charging in different countries
10:41 Eurotunnel
12:53 Charging problems
14:08 Do electric cars work?
18:45 Back in London
20:43 Wrap up
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While the road trip has gone very well, I'm still not entirely convinced this should be the future, and plenty of my thoughts on the topic are in the video. However, would I do this journey again, yes I would, it went well and the car performed very nicely.
You should have gotten a Chevrolet bolt I tried to tell you shmeee But you won’t listen to your better half
Can I suggest Tim your and my forefathers may of said exactly the same thing about combustion cars when only a few hundred were on the roads. With little or no infrastructure to support them.
And the alternative?
Synthetic fuels are much better because it keeps all the benefits of combustion and is more environmentally friendly than an electric car. The only downside is price, but considering how heavily taxed fossil fuels are in Europe, the difference in price shouldn’t be too big.
Need to sell that and wait until you can get a Rimac someday!
UK looks like a total mess for EV charging. You had more charging problems compared to my whole 2 years in Norway o.0
It’s a shambles if you don’t have a Tesla
Currently the UK is looking a bit of a mess for everything.
Hey don't complain about charging stations, we don't even have petrol in fossil stations. 😂
Tesla knew that mainstream manufacturers would start making better cars then theirs. So they prioritised their charging network as that alone makes it worth buying a Tesla
It’s not that bad, I’ve had an e208 and have never had any issues doing 1000mi road trip and multiple 250mi road trips, apart from 1 10min wait (was a free charger so worth it)
I like how in title said “problems" but Shmee still looks happy in the thumbnail
Haha that's how I roll!
@@Shmee150 I hope you meet Chris and i
@Shmee150 is just a great guy....sincerely
@@Shmee150 trade it in for a Plaid, get some money back so it's like he had the taycsn for free 😄
I would smile with that car too ,no matter what
Towards your discussion near the 16:29 mark: one thing nobody has talked about yet (or at least I haven't noticed it being mentioned anywhere) is that if you replace the battery pack of your EV at (say) the 10-year mark, you end up with a nearly-new EV (electric motors basically lasting almost for ever). That way you could get a 60-70 year EV (the 2nd battery pack would probably last 15 years, etc.). The older EV battery pack can still be used in many other applications (people are already doing this): retrofitting to sail boats, as backup power pack for homes (coupled with inverters) etc.
Your mention of the charger cable potentially laying on the paint/wrap, made me realize I have a solution for that problem. There are these 'woolen' fleece & velcro pads made for seat-belt shoulder straps to keep them from, in my case, rubbing on a pacemaker, or your neck, etc. These would be ideal for padding the cable if it must make contact with the bodywork.
I can't get over how beautiful this car has turned out. All the modifications have made it into something quite extraordinary.
I agree Oliver!
This is one of the most beautiful (modern) cars I actually know. A real dream car. Especially in this very spec
I saw a 718 GT4 with Aurum wheels, yellow calipers, and gold wing supports. It looks like a paint swap of Tim's Taycan and GT4.
All the modifications? Like different wheels and a wrap? You’re easily impressed….
@@Jimmythefish577 jeez. Who dropped your ice cream?
Really enjoyed that chat and cruise around London,, keeping it so real and enjoyable
Your thoughts on this electric car are very analytical, very good indeed! One mustn´t forget the anxiety aspects of driving such a car at a long distance. Thanks from Portugal/UK.
Love how the guy charging his Mini next to Tim, on his second stop, is really checking the Taycan out and walks around it.
A different guy unplugs that Mini. There's a really good chance he was just a guy waiting to talk to Shmee about what owning one is like, because he's tempted o make the switch. It's a very common experience for electric motorists currently.
This is incredible consumer advice. Compared to 20 min tire sledding reviews, an owner who provides in depth use with pros and cons is immensely valuable. You raise an important point on production , carbon, and how much it takes to offset the production carbon of an electric car AND when electric car batteries become inefficient.
Except it is completely incorrect. Battery range decreases over the use. But tesla are expected to achieve 1000,000 miles.
He forgot to mention the energy needed to extract and transport fuel. It's like 7 barrels of oil to extract one and getting worse.
I agree in part but he really does need to try these in a Tesla. While I am not a great fan of the cars (despite having two of them) the infrastructure they have built is a work of art. Also, the carbon footprint of getting a liter of fuel to your pump is never included in the carbon offset calculations and it is enormous when you think of the ships, the tanker trucks, the refineries, the storage, the vehicles and manufacturing required to build and maintain all these etc etc. Whereas, if you have renewable energy as is available in some countries the EV has zero carbon impact after it is built.
@@g0balot I don't entirely agree with your comment either about the zero carbon impact.
A lot of electricity is still produced using fossil fuels. The manufacturing process for solar cells also has a carbon footprint as does the process for the manufacture, transport and installation of wind turbines.
The elephant in the room with EYs is the environmental impact of extracting lithium for the batteries, that is often overlooked.
@@JustLiveInPeace2 Actually I was thinking of places like Norway which is mostly hydro electric power. Also you have to remember that e.g. wind turbines are also producing electricity for everyday use which otherwise would be made up with coal or gas.
I am not an EV advocate for environmental reasons although I see that as an extra benefit but I think we need to be honest. Mining lithium does have an impact but batteries are being recycled and EV's can contribute to a wider plan to get energy emissions down whereas petrol cars can not.
As I said, the carbon costs of manufacturing a car, even an electric car, are dwarfed but the footprint of getting a liter of petrol out of a pump.
But hey, I am not a radical about this, I am just a guy who bought his first EV so he could use the bus lanes on the way to work and now finds the driving experience so much better and a trip to a petrol station as feeling like a dirty, smelly throwback to a bygone age. I don't begrudge anyone who has a love for petrol cars though but I would encourage daily drivers to try an EV for a while.
Been loving the real life implications of the collection. The EV everyday issues, along with the running cost/ spec price videos from the schmuseum have been really interesting. Brings us back to the reality that such an endeavor, though being a dream still has the baggage that comes along with it. "With great power comes great responsibility":)
Just buy a model 3 long range, the sport EVs aren't here yet
Just be aware that life is much easier if you choose a Tesla
As I debate whether to get an ev, I really appreciate hearing about your real life experiences and your insight. Thank you.
His experience is his and not yours. Also, he's talking about the Taycan owning experience, that's not all EV's. Lots more charging options for Tesla's and they charge quickly everywhere without issues. I've had mine for 3-years now and love the experience. For a daily driver, it's my favorite car at any price.
Being of a certain age, your closing comments about the demise of engineering triumphs reminded me of the demise of steam trains in my schooldays. Will be just see V12 engined cars in museums, brought out for special events? I won't be around to see that question answered and I am not sad about that.
Well-heeled petrolheads like Shmee will continue to tear around in supercars powered by very expensive synthetic fuels made with renewable electricity, as Porsche proposes; the same fuel that airplanes will need. But as Shmee admits, he drives to the Shmuseum in a quick, quiet, clean BEV before hooning around in a noisy combustion-engined car.
@@chemicalfrankie1030 that's a poor argument. All countries have some wind and solar. Most countries have burned through whatever fossil fuel assets they had, and have to go to war (economic or military) to ensure fossil fuel imports.
Can’t believe a year has passed so quickly with the electric car
Does look nice with the wrap
And wheel colour
the US car is most lickly military, and my guess they are probably stationed in rammstein or geilenkirchen Germany (maybe a base in belgium i don't know about?)
18:36 very briefly you hit the nail on the head! “I think there’s probably more to it”
If you want to reduce your carbon footprint, trade your gasser for an EV unless you live in coal-powered Poland. Or don't own a 2-ton car at all.
We need to rapidly end the burning of fossil fuels, and electrifying land transportation is one of the easier problems to solve.
Love the road trip videos Tim. Thanks for bringing it to us.
It's been really interesting watching you trip across Europe with the Taycan especially the relative ease of charging, for me over here it's only worth doing if I used an electric for daily from home & install my own charger, but the cost is massive, Rj in Oz
Massive? I paid €450 for mine and installed it myself in a day.
Nice to see you’re seconde charge was @ my home town.
I really like the content on your 2 channels! Keep up the good work.
Saw you driving london bound on the M20 last weekend. Amazing that the thing that gives it away is the amazing spec on the paint & Rim colour…then noticed the listen every plate.
Isn't his distinctive colour a vinyl wrap?
Thank you so much Tim, that opinion bit was gold and needs to be shared around. I wish more people with your following would talk so honestly about their opinion on the subject.
your realistic and critical thoughts on EVs are refreshing and just what we need. Keep it up!
I think it’s hilarious how you always say that you will drive the car until it’s nearly empty and then charge in order to optimize the charging curve and in the next clip you say “I plugged in at 36% and now I’m at 46%” 😂 I would consider
I usually take mine down to 10% - 15% on trips, daft to do otherwise
I target 5% in summer and 10% in winter.
I don't like to wait.
Usually have more charge than I need when returning from my rest break.
As someone who is planning to buy a taycan. I love these vids man. Making me happy everytime i see u posted
Very good information, thank you. Glad you had a good time.
Tim, You may have thought you were "waffling on" in the segment "Do Electric Cars Work" however, I felt it was the best part of your video and I would say, and encourage you, to become more of a voice in the matter. Personally I believe the carbon output to produce and maintain and the fact that EV's do not have nearly the life as Internal Combustion engines is a waste. Your comments --- and I've heard you say this before --- that better can be done with improving IC cars and the fuels to inject less emissions is the way to go. Thank you.
This guy is the last person who should comment on sustainability. His lifestyle is extremely unsustainable and his only real defence of it is that he's a "petrol head"
There are 2014 Tesla’s for sale with over 300,000 miles…
@@italianstallion701 That says nothing about those vehicles' conditions though. Maybe they are worn out? Tesla also exchanged all motors (for allegedly improved constructions) on older models I think twice because it turned out they weren't durable.
@@armorgeddon Tesla last hundreds of thousands of miles
@@chrisness Oh hi Elon!
Shmee, To get a better idea how smooth and anxiety-free EV ownership can be, you should try buying a Model S Plaid and giving it a go with the Tesla supercharger network. 😀
I own an ID4 and in the Republic of Ireland the experience has been pretty good in terms of charging. I've done a bit of travel around the country and there always seems to be a charger at a reasonable distance. The most common are the 22kw chargers with a few "fast chargers" of 50kw... I only know 1 or 2 mainly in VW dealers where you can get the Unity and get the real fast charge experience. But overall... even for long journeys, with the 50kw is quick enough for top ups.
7-8 year old Tesla’s still have plenty of value and don’t lose as much range as originally predicted
I like how the ionity chargers have an led light on the front based on the level of charge. Dunno if anyone has noticed that
you covered everything I have been trying to tell people about electric vehicles! outstanding! Prime example of the old dead or dieing battery issue and net worth of the car look at older Toyota Prieus.. Battery is 5000.00 but the car it's needs to go into is only worth 2000.00. I really liked this video. You are not wrong and here in the states we have the very same issues
Lovely tour of London! Do more of em plz! London is such a beautiful city.
You would think there would be the facility to charge while on the channel tunnel train
Well done Shmee. I truly appreciate your honest thoughts about the situation. Keep up the great work.
Nice to see a satisfied customer next to the ABB chargers I service in Belgium.
Thats probably the best and most honest video on electric cars on TH-cam. Great job Tim!
It doesn't make sense to mandate full EV at this point. Battery shortages just to start. PHEVs seem like a better solution for quite a while.
Aikido Toyoda has been saying this but tree huggers wail every time anyone raises concerns even though toyota took it upon itself to develop better technologies. Does anyone know what 40m evs a year will look like?
"It doesn't make sense to mandate full EV at this point." But it's not mandated at this point is it?
@@2017NationalChamps well you pay fines if you don't meet emissions targets. So what's the use of developing an ICE platform if you can use it for the next 10 years? You are then forced to develop something your not 100 percent sure about just to avoid fines.
@@sexpistill After 144 years of development of ICE vehicles we can try something new.
@@2017NationalChamps we tried something new with ICE cars without understanding the consequences and we got climate change. Electric cars excite me but scare me at the same time because I don't believe anyone knows what 40m evs a year will mean for us. Politicians are just pushing these regulations just to please voters and car companies only care about profits no matter what they say. For example EU governments force auto makers to fit OPF filters for EU cars but don't care about cars sold in other continents? Does that sound like they care about global omissions or just their green European cities?
Interesting video Tim. So annoying that this side of the channel has charger reliability issues. Agree with you totally in terms of how much improvement is needed.
Are the chargers in the UK unreliable? Wrong adjective.
Done two major road trips in the past few months in EVs. First from Norway to Italy in a Polestar 2, then from Oslo to Munich in my Audi E-Tron GT. Mostly without any issues, but where I see you have issues I've also had issues and that is with ABB chargers. Those are so faulty and have many issues regardless of country!
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Good set of experiences … love the broad scope of you channel 👍👍👍
I really liked this content but have we forgotten that petrol cars become less efficient over time and in 8 years your taycan will still do far more miles per charge than my current mg zs and would be worth a lot to me. A Porsche with a degraded totally usable battery has value and will continue do mileage suitable for its user. Not knowing the content of JM on cars discussion, you did not mention burning of fuel and replacing oil over decades of ice usages just emissions of manufacturer. Oil is shipped refined then transported but not calculated even as you dodge the congestion charge because you have no tailpipe emissions. Great points raised thought out and strangely this might actually make petrolheads consider an EV as a second car or daily driver if they have no intention of using the UK network right now.
My 19 year old, 450,000 mile diesel van still does within 5% the mpg it did when it was new.
Last year I hired an EV van to see if I could live with one.... Glad I didnt buy one.
Once the van was loaded for a days work, the range plumeted from an almost acceptable 180 miles to just 50 miles!
I often had to do 2 charges per day and the morning charge which could have been the over night one but, No charge point at home!
Add the charge time to the drive time to the charge point, then to another charge point because most seem to be broken/not working..
Then theres the charging wait.
The wait if someone is already there.
All that wait time, drive time and charging time is a killer for my business, to the point.. I cannot use an EV for my business.
The taycan is sadly having battery issues rn
"Certainly uncertain" I like that.
Best Shmee video ever? Thank you for your honest user assessment of the electric car situation. Electric cars are cool, but they are not the end-all be-all solution to our problems.
Acctually, second lifetime battery usage in for example homes is already possible. Also batteries can be recycled for 90%.
U also dont have to drive hundrets of km. to offset your CO2 Bagpack:
"The manufacturing process of a Model 3 currently results in slightly
higher GHG emissions than an equivalent combustion engine vehicle.
However, based on the global weighted average grid mix, a Model 3
has lower lifetime emissions than an equivalent ICE after driving
5,340 miles."
and no i am not a tesla fanboy ;)
i just chose the most advanced and efficient car on the market for my usage.
Engineering Explained showed the math on the carbon emissions of electric vs gas and it actually doesn't take long to offset the carbon emissions. It happens pretty quickly.
Petrol cars dont emit CARBON, they emit almost no CO and some CO2.
CO2 is NOT polution, its a beneficial gas which makes our crops grow.
@@fivish water is beneficial and makes our crops grow too. How much corn can you grow under water? 😂 The problem isn't what it is, the problem is we have a little too much of it and it's having an adverse effect that we need to address
@@fivish Some CO2 is not a problem, but a lot of CO2 is a problem. Look at planet Venus. Despite being further from the Sun compared to Mercury, the surface temperature of Venus is a lot higher. Why? Because of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. Also after a certain point, CO2 is even bad for plant life.
Do electric cars work segment was the most aware of what's really going on in the world point I've heard from a automotive youtuber. Bravo for speaking it Shmee!
He got one part factually wrong. 8 Years life span is massively wrong. Rav4 EV from 1990s averaged around 17 years. Modern BEV batteries do not have better Life Span but way better mileage easily over 300,000 miles. Soo if you do a resource consumption and emission comparison you have to use the accurate life span figures.
Great video by the way. Very informative and unbiased. Brilliant journalism
Keeping my 2012 Honda CR-V for a while longer I guess. Thanks for being so honest about the overall experience of owning an electric vehicle.
Well none commenting on the situation and outlook of electric driving. Slippery slope, and probably not to everybody’s liking, but resonates with me (in the process of getting my first electric car to join 4 combustion engine cars)
Oh, well as a longtime car enthusiast and 2 year owner of a Model 3 Tesla, let me tell you it’s by far the finest vehicle I’ve ever owned. And speaking as a Mechanical Engineer who’s picky and has designed for major car manufacturers....there’s nothing of any consequence that I would change. In my personal opinion, it’s nuts to buy anything other than a Model 3 or Y today...for a whole host of reasons.
@@johncahill3644 Cost maybe?
I love how you can articulate thought and deliver it in such a comprehensive manner, and the fact that I also feel the same way about cars just solidifies my perceptions about the politiking that surrounds EV and Climate Change. Thank you for being such an interesting person that, not only entertains thoroughly, but also educates quite well. 🙌
Great video and some very insightful observations about EV real world usability. Here in Australia, there is a very low take up of EVs mostly due to the lack of charging infrastructure, and the huge distances between major cities make them largely urban prospects only. In addition some states are more concerned with how they are going to tax EVs on the road rather than providing incentives to encourage take up.
The conversation at the end was very insightful and valuable
I’ll say it: Taycan is my favorite Shmee-mobile.
It may be worth noting that electric car batteries have a second life as grid storage which will allow us to be more - not completely - independent on renewable energy sources. The water cooled batteries in the latest electric cars are proving to be reliable for over a 100,000 miles whilst retaining more than 80% of their capacity. The average car is scrapped after 14 years in the UK with the majority scrapped by 20 years so an electric car needs to be able to easily last 20 years to keep the average age of cars on our roads up. But yes, driving a slightly more environmentally green car in the UK does little to the overall problem, but it does lead the way for others to follow.
Sure, they can last even longer than ICE cars, but if after 8 years the battery is only 80% or so, that is a problem. It is the most expensive component. We'll better recycle them and reuse the lithium, because we'll have great problems with aquiring that when each year will be made a few dozen millions of EVs (and we have to also add trucks, buses, excavators, bulldozers (I guess we'll have electric ones, too), bikes and all sorts of other machines + the electronics).
the only problem with electric car that nobody talk about is that....
it doesn't exist a natural source of electric energy, electric energy is just a vector of other forms of natural energy.
So turning to electric cars without the provider of electricity turning to more clean sources of energy production change absolutely nothing.
@@monkeymindfrance8356 so wind etc?
There are 1,5 billion vehicles on this planet. 65% are not in rich "western societies". If you believe that this obscure expensive technology could be implemented in Kyrgistan,Bulgaria and Burkina Fasso you're delusional.
Right now we are subsidizing rich home owners at the expence of working class slowly being priced out of essential mobility.
If you are referring to total or all encompassing C02 footprint, both the media and especially politicians focus on the usage stage and casually ignore the first production phase as well as the last recycling phase. Ignorance is bliss!
Another interesting vid, well done mate!
Great. Very informative. I am already part of a scheme with Shell to offset for my petrol use.
You just have to drive around 10000 miles in an EV to completely offset the extra CO2 needed to produce the EV. So EV is still a huge win relative to gasoline car in terms of emissions
There are some technologies developed that can use CO2 from the atmosphere to produce gasoline, making the fuel carbon neutral. The problem with it needs to be done at large scale to become economical and the tech is currently protected by patents. I would prefer to see funding and legislation going towards this rather then EVs
I completely agree about the furthering of study with engine cleanliness and efficiency alongside cleaner fuels like synthetic fuels would be wonderful
A clean synthetic fuel is going to be the way for the next few decades, I think. All these countries talking about mandating EV's act like they haven't taken a look around at the nearly 100 year old power grids with wires strung up through trees...
@@opmike343 exactly! Don't get me wrong EV's can be cool but Synthetic fuels are a great way to deal with the problem. Especially for cargo ships and planes, they are the big polluters
@@opmike343 The power grid is less carbon intensive than burning fossil fuel, and since wind and solar are The cheapest new generation, it will only get cleaner. If electric utilities can't improve it to meet increasing demand for their product required by the electrification of land transportation, heating, industrial processes, etc. then they're incompetent or badly regulated.
Synthetic green fuels will be great for petrolheads like Shmee to continue driving around in their farting and rumbling machines, but they will unavoidably be punishingly expensive because they will require far more of the renewable electricity (that you think is so rickety) than just putting it straight into a battery.
love seeing London! I so want to go there one day just to be close to and see all the history!
Great content, very informative Thanks
When will county’s start building all the new generating facilities, and how will they be fueled, that will be necessary if/when the grid supplies all the energy previously produces by each gas/Diesel vehicles?
Don’t think there is a convincing answer to these questions yet. If every car that currently exists was converted to EV with the current grid we’d have significant issues in generation. Obviously one answer is “we need fewer cars”
Electric cars are fantastic match for the variable production of renewables; you price electricity for when renewables are generating plenty and many people will recharge at those times. In general many people recharge at night when there's little electric demand and wind power is cranking.
The electrification of everything possible (heating, industry, the rest of land transportation, ...) will require vast amounts of renewable energy, fortunately it's the cheapest form of new generation so we can afford to do it and electric utilities should make money providing that electricity unless they're badly regulated.
@@JumboStiltskin it does appear Democrats are working overtime to eliminate Americans that can afford a car with their Killer injections (50,000 already killed) marketed as a “vaccine” plus the importing of illegals to replace that will be kept poor and dependent on Government handouts and never own a car, then taxing the successful into poverty!
@@skierpage Renewable energy had NO WHERE near the reliability needed to charge the number of EV’s the Democrats are trying to force on Americans, the VAST MAJORITY of the power required will have to come from OIL, NATURAL GAS, COAL or NUCLEAR! 90% of EVs will be charged at night and just a few in any given neighborhood will overload the current grids ability to supply power, lots of power 80 amps for 6 hours!
Before watching the video i have to say that the Taycan looks unreasonably good in gloomy weather
Good commentary and reasonable questions to be asking. We got a sightseeing tour of London to boot 😁
I will say there really isn't anything like German engineered windshield wipers haha need it for that heavy autobahn rain! Great video Shmee!
203 cruise liners operated in Europe in 2017. These emitted 62 kilo tons of sulphur oxides. Europe’s 260 million cars produced 3.2 kilo tons in the same period. Clearly motorists are an easy target and seen as the bad people, but going on holidays in pointless floating shopping centres is ok.
These sorts of comments are so frustrating, you understand car emissions also have a significant impact on air quality in urban areas increasing respiratory illnesses in its populations. Our entire mindset of pollution needs to change, it’s not a case of only changing some aspects
They never take the cost of the environmental impact in getting the oil out of the ground, to a refinery, refine it, then to the station for use with a pump .... they only assume the petrol magically got there on it's own.
So yes a Polestar 2 (as the example you gave) uses 10 more ton's of CO2 to make ... but it doesn't take 20,000 miles to equalise ... is in the mid thousands .... but C02 isn't the ONLY environmental impact to consider. There are pro's and cons on both ends ... take your kids to school in an EV and you are not exposing other kids to the crap that comes out of an ICE vehicle.
yes, then sadly excuses all cars due to another problem...
If we continue to invest in renewable energy then it will equal out very quickly
@@petertwiby7346 yes but the objective is to reach zero pollution, not equal amounts to ICE cars, and sadly, we are very far from that
@@gucciero I thought the aim was to be carbon natural? We're never going to reach zero pollution, it's impossible for a modern world
@@petertwiby7346 yes but even being carbon neutral is kind of impossible, and i think it won't change in the near future, even with newer technologies
I was thinking to come over to London some day for a visit, but now that you've shown it all to me, I can cross it off my list!
There is a lot more to Britain than London
EXCELLENT very balanced review - thank you. It will be a long time before I ever buy an EV ! Even now, I feel I’ll regret doing so, due to short range and time wastage- never to be recovered.
Thanks for your very valuable post.
Newer ICE are so clean and economical, I do not like being “ forced “ to change.
Other people don't like breathing in the disgusting exhaust you're dumping in their faces but they're "forced" to do so. If I could make you pay for the privilege, I doubt you'd consider it very economical.
Every ICE car burns through literally tons of dirty fossil fuel over its lifetime, directly contributing to global warming.
In many places it's cheaper to recharge an efficient EV than to refuel with petrol.
Nice to hear the thoughts from someone indifferent about EVs, most reviews are very pro EV and refuse to see problems or run EV channels so obviously won’t criticise them. Balance is good.
UK seems totally insane with a horrible neglected Charging Network. That is just pathetic. Tim nailed that demanding massive improvement.
But he got one fact massively wrong. 8 Year life span is a erroneous false rumour. Rav4 EV from 1990s averaged about 17 years. Modern BEVs are not much better but can do crazy high mileage easily over 300,000 miles. If he wants to argue about emissions and resource consumption please use the accurate lifespan numbers.
The reason most reviews are very pro EV is because they're awesome, underappreciated, and a lot of the common criticisms are misplaced (and frankly often sourced from OEMs, probably trying to delay EV uptake so they can stay afloat with many of their assets tied to ICE manufacturing). The impracticality of an EV in specific use-cases is definitely a noteworthy compromise for some, and there's a few other compromises which should be no secret and need to be addressed. But just because he's not pro-EVs does not make him any less biased than anyone else.
@@Muskar2 people buy EVs because they suit their lifestyle. Sadly they can’t seem to grasp that other people have different lifestyles or driving requirements.
@@paulsm77 So are you seriously hypothesizing EV owners are more prone to tunnel vision?
@@Muskar2 i think there are two, equally aweful, forces at work. 1) Estatablished car manufacturers protecting their current investments in ICE
2) Governments pushing and pushing EVs, irrespective of practicality, offering huge tax benefits to EV drivers. Both have their agendas. None can be trusted, best would be to let consumers decide. Realize that once the majority is driving electric, all tax benefits will disappear.
Currently we ship our old used cars to developing countries, thus creating a secondhand value. How will this workout for EVs? EVs in Eritrea? Really?
Loved the video, good job! One remark: what were the efficiency gains in the last 30 years of R&D in combustion engines? Hint: my dad’s VW Passat in the early nineties was averaging 5 liters of diesel per 100km. Gains have only been marginal in the last 30 years. Now: what were the efficiency gains in the last 5 years for EVs? This is only the beginning of serious R&D invested in EVs. It may not look so much better than ICE now, but probably will be in only a couple of years.
Fabulous, informative video, Shmee. Thank you. 👍🦘🇦🇺
Love the honesty, much respect!
Regarding your lifecycle comment, a) the carbon emissions are based on an assumption that the energy used to make the car is carbon-based which isn’t necessarily true (even steel is now being smelted using electricity not coal), and b) the mechanics of these cars is far simpler than combustion cars so they last longer. Teslas can run happily for 300k miles or so. I admit I’m biased because of my Green Part affiliation but that doesn’t mean I am wrong. It would be be good to have a debate one day perhaps so we can challenge each other respectfully with facts and see whether we can arrive at a consensus. For me I’m afraid I think we have to clamp down on the overall carbon supply chain which is why I support EVs.
Has anyone told him about Zap Map and using that to plan journeys? Nice vlog. The car looks fantastic in that green. Looking forward to future videos. Keep up the good work.
A Better Route Planner is another one
@@MetalMike50 Yeah i had forgotten about that one.
I test drove an "electric blue" with red interior 4S earlier this week. I love the Taycan so much!
I tested the Taycan for a week. After the first 10 minutes of excitement in Sport Plus mode, it felt exactly like any other EV except you don’t get a sunroof and the Taycan is a boat of a car. One reason I left the UK to move back home to Germany is that the roads in the UK are atrocious and then there is the speed limit and lots of cameras! Top speed in the Taycan is 268 km/h. So, the only - and I mean only - benefit is the acceleration. Only to say, is that if you are into EVs and like Porsches, wait for the Maycan EV due out in early 2022. More power and more useful including a sunroof! 👌🏻
You really should swap the Porsche for a Tesla and compare your experience. I think you'd find many of the problems already solved, especially the charging infrastructure availability, cost and reliability. Also, Engineering Explained did an in-depth comparison of a typical petrol car vs. a Tesla Model 3 and found the cross-over point for emissions at around 47k miles. It's also not true that EVs are scrap after 8 years. An 8 year old Tesla Model S with 350k kms (250k kms on the battery) only loses about 12% of charge. There is also much less to go wrong and wear out. I think you'll find they outlast the typical petrol car, which may be why they hold their value so well on the 2nd hand market.
thanks for educating him. wish everyone could read this comment and learn something.
Switch this beauty for a Tesla?!?! 😂
I’d recommend an Audi etron gt instead of taycan they are practically the same minus the battery problem and quality although a Tesla model a would be great as well they are just different cars tbh and everyone will like different things I personally just don’t like the Tesla screen but others probably would.
Thanks again for sharing your experiences Tim. I believe there’s s lot more complications to come with this rush to electrify everything. It’s all very well vehicle manufacturers stopping petrol vehicle production but what happens to the poorer countries that will have nothing like the infrastructure needed to cope. Great video. Regards, Bob M. South Wales
Petrol infrastructure is expensive, complex, and difficult to maintain, and makes poor countries depend on expensive imports that are denominated in foreign currencies, which often requires foreign-currency borrowing to maintain (a financial timebomb at the heart of too many developing economies).
In contrast, solar panels on a microgrid are dirt cheap and can be put in the middle of nowhere for peanuts. Electric motors are mechanically simpler and more reliable than combustion engines, requiring less spare parts and more robust operations in harsh conditions.
Basically, electric mobility will be a boon for poorer countries, particularly when it comes to two-wheelers which are the preferred mobility options in low-income economies. You see Tesla and Taycan and think expensive, but small mopeds and motorcycles with small batteries on home chargers are gobbling up marketshare in transport in ways you never even think about, because your way of life is much different.
Is the light bar at the front of the charger any indication of charge status or power delivery? 6:30
4:22 _The Taycan alerts for charge points down the line on the roads Shme?_
_Amazing perspective, has really helped set the foundations for me what expect_
I really like your take
on EVs and I think Youre absoutely right....I really hope combustion engine cars never stop and people understand the whole carbon neutral thing
Really great video Mr Shmee, and very interesting debate. I remember when we purchased our first diesel car back in 2001 it was supposed to be the right thing to do, as it was more economical and therefore better for the environment, how wrong were we. The biggest problem our planet faces is OVER POPULATION, like you said, so why isn't more being done to limit population growth, this is the number one problem. This is a great debate, so let's here your comments!!!
Elon Musk said there aren't "enough people" and "civilization will crumble" if we don't have enough children.
I saw one of these for the first time a while ago with green paint. All I can say is it looks mega
Methinks a status light is required on top of the charge bay Mercedes and others have done wonders with hybrid systems, what are your thoughts on these?
If the XC40 uses 5L/100km (my mums GLC220d draws 5.2 and I think the XC40 a smaller car), it would require 120,000 km of driving before the Polestar 2 becomes more environmentally friendly than an equivalent petrol car. That is assuming that the P2 will run on 100% renewables, which is probably not the case. I think this craze around EVs need to stop and we should invest in synthetic fuels as well so people have a choice.
Had the same discussion about EV's & emissions a while ago with a few friends. And i'm as well questioning whether it's the right move at the moment, maybe in the future as technology progresses, but i feel like the overall issue won't be resolved in the next decade. There are so many contributions towards emissions and pollution from EV's, most you have mentioned, pollution from production, increase in production (due to limited life span), waste disposal (what happens to these cars and components when they are not effective anymore), and increase in fossil fuel emissions from coal power companies (Possible the need for more "green energy"). I don't think we are in the position to make such a rapid transition at the moment.
The shot with the mist at the beginning showed the front lip way better than ever 👍
Thats are good point you mentioned my friend, but still we have to wait and see what will happen in the future.
I am a simple person.
I see Shmee has uploaded a video.
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I know I'll hear Hi guys I'm Shmee.
I know it will be a good video.
Thank you!
I like how he starts to explain how expensive it is to charge, but instead of giving a price, it’s a super obscure reference to the cost vs his V12 Ferrari fuel cost? 🤔
£64.55 to fully charge Taycan Turbo S from 0% to 100% at Ionity charging station in UK and returns 200 miles. Ferrari FF V12 costs about £120 full tank and returns around 350 miles.
@@borinvlogs Why is it so expensive? I wonder if it is less in the States
@@AncientMysteriesAndInnovations Less competitors on the market. They offer 350kW speed and charge 69p per kWh. Only few people use this network in emergency situations. If you charge it at home, it would only cost 5p per kWhor similar rate depending on provider. Mine is Octopus and they offer 7p kWh. Very cheap.
Most owners charge at home on cheap overnight rates. Which significantly reduces the annual spend on, I literally on pay these high rates at fast chargers a handful of times. Including a recent trip to southern Spain . Shmee should report on his annual savings now he can charge at the shmuseum.
My opinion is having a hybrid tech where you have the flexibility to switch between power plants... Petrol or diesel engines can also be used as charging point with in the car and switch off engine to run on batteries... But ofcourse it will increase the weight but hey atleast better this way.. you do not compromise...
The sightseeing segment of this was great xD
Huge crack in the windshield?
Question Tim, why do you always use the phone as a gps? Why not use the built in?
Waze giving good information about traffic and best route for traveling. You can download and try
because Tim drives so many different cars daily he can always have something familiar and reliable in every car
Waze shows police camp-outs, not really any better for navigation
Doesn't Waze work with Android Auto?
@@sufianwahab7284 he could just use Android Auto/Apple CarPlay less clutter in the car.
The crack on the windscreen makes me so nervous haha It is like that small dent on one door or a scratch on the bumper that nobody notices, but you know where it is and your eyes magnetically get attracted to it.
Not to mention it's illegal to drive with such a crack
I thought I was the only one who noticed that geesh
@@p.k.7111 is it? Wow ...🤔
@@Arqfrancisconeves If it's obscuring line of sight, like in this case, then yeap
Guess how many thousands that will cost to fix?
@shmee150, I’m not the biggest EV fan, only positive to me is the immediate torque, but the spec on that one is gorgeous! Loving it!
That one man shamelessly checking out your car and looking in your windows right in front of you lmao
The construction of an EV does indeed emit more CO2 than that of a comparable ICE vehicle... at least for the time being, as it might change in the future. However, the GHG break-even between eV and ICE does not happen after "tens or even hundreds of thousands of miles", as you said but, in the case of the Tesla Model 3, after some 5'300 miles!!! (Source: Tesla Impact Report 2020, pages 11 and 12).
Also, an EV will outlast an ICE vehicle considerably, not the other way around! Batteries will now last in excess of half-a-million miles! EVs conserve their value much much better than ICE vehicles.... whose residual value is going to fall off a cliff in a very few years.
So, either your information is biased, or very dated indeed!
Thank you for the analysis. That's what I try to tell people who try to say EVs are worse for the environment. Yes, making them is more harmful, but once they're done being made, they will never emit another milligram of CO2 again.
@@snakeeyes9246 not only CO2, but also toxic emissions like NOx or micro-particulates. Those are never taken into account and are killing people. EVs obviously emit none of those…
Exactly!
@@francoisbadoux625 yes, that is true too. People just want an excuse to keep ICE vehicles on the road. I am all in for the EV future. The only thing holding me back is money. I guess it's time to start investing.
@@snakeeyes9246 well… I invested in TSLA in March 2013, and then again in June and July of 2019. I could buy half a dozen Model S Plaid if I sold those shares… but won’t, not even one. Tesla still got a huge growth runway ahead! Actually, they have hardly started exercising their muscles!
Interesting that all the chargers in Europe were operational, I wrote to my MP regarding the unreliability of some UK destination chargers/companies which was forwarded to the Department of Transport. I suggested there should be an Ombudsman with the power to fine these companies who fail to fix their chargers in a timely manner. I got the usual b??ll Sh??t answer. This government is bereft of competence and don’t want to do anything if they don’t think it makes them looks good. With the current fuel crisis I’m sure a lot of car owners will be looking more seriously at electric cars. As always a great video👍
Thanks for the interesting tips from Texas - I’m waiting for a Taycan that’s on order…
Tim great video as usual. Regarding your thoughts on EV's I totally agree with what you say. Furthermore I don't believe the humble combustion engine is near to its end as seems to be believed, they will improve! I have to mention If car owners where to keep there vehicles in as good condition as the Shmee Team, and the likes of me and my circle of petrol head mates do, I believe things would improve greatly. I believe disposal of E.Vs in the future is likely to coure problems with pollution, not yet considered. Enough Shmee Team, have a great weekend, Cheer's from Australia. 👍