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Nice! Nothing makes my day more than an Against the Odds for Modern! I'll be able to come home from work and relax, and enjoy Seth trying to beat tier decks with the jankiest stuff imaginable. Love it.
that player mis played so hard with prsmatic and the 6 lands arleady and he top decks prime time why didnt he just grab 2 valakuts? like... he had the game
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Seth, someone here suggested Gifts Ungiven for the deck but then deleted their comment. I concur with that idea. You can do a lot with it like piles such as Hedron Alignment, Eternal Witness, Secret Salvage, Snapcaster Mage (assuming nothing else in the GY yard yet). Might make this deck more consistent. Secret Salvage could be cut down to a single copy this way and maybe going down some Grisly Salvages for the 4th Gifts and something else that goes better with GU.
(Game around 39:00) Should have been a Hedron Alignment win (and not a Hedron Alignment scrying into another type of win win either). I am also just imagining the worst loss ever; chalice on 2 and on 3 and then not finding an Engineered Explosives. Nooooooo! That would be bad.
Wouldn’t Commune with the Gods be a better option than Grisly Salvage since it can grab enchantments? Would give you the option to mill or keep the Hedron Alignment.
I used to run Alignment, it's very consistent to win with if you go mono blue. Using Strategic Planning and Temporal Trespass, Cyclonic Rift, Merfolk Looter, all in playsets. Throw in Mind Sculptor since he's unbanned now.
nvm "202.3b When calculating the converted mana cost of an object with {X} in its mana cost, X is treated as 0 while the object is not on the stack, and X is treated as the number chosen for it while the object is on the stack. Spells don't care about alternative costs: 117.9c."
@40:54 could you not have used Collective Brutality here to discard Hedron Alignment while the opponent was off of Scavenger Grounds mana? Or were you just worried about Simian Spirit Guide? EDIT: Just noticed Chalice was on 2. But you can still discard with Brutality even through Chalice, right? EDIT 2: I'm dumb. You only win on your own upkeep, huh.
Actually this deck remids me of myself when I was 6. ooh, oow, this soldier goes in here. Wow, we even have a plastic dog on top of the sand castle. It is wonderfull to have fun, but sometimes there's a bully-boy opponent which ruins it
My Hedron Alignment deck is far from optimized since I threw it together on a whim out of old stuff lying around, but I basically just use Jhoira to suspend Enter the Infinite and Time Crafting to make it pop when my opponents aren't ready for it. Then, once I've drawn all my Hedrons, it's fairly easy to get them where I need them to be. Using one on the battlefield to scry my way to my pieces is great too. The only trick is, I often just end up falling back on Lab Maniac if I go off too early. Though my one-off Omniscience and graveyard recycling makes going infinite with the couple of burn spells in the deck possible too.
Can you make a paradox engine deck in standard like the one you made for aether revolt standard with something like pyramid of the pantheon in replace of hedron archive
Infernat Tutor could'Ve been the answer to your Hedron Problem or at least helps to find them more easily. Another option could've been Transmute spells and some sport of Defender Reanimation subtheme to finish in one go. Axebane Guardian, Doorkeeper and Drift of Phantasms could go in there for the defender theme because the ramp could help scrying through the deck to find the Hedrons while the other two help finding it while Doorkeeper also adds another win condition. Altough thats a bit more budget which could make it worse. But Infinity Mana could go nicely because of the scry manasink ability of Hedron.
I actually find these super hard 1 in a million against the odds to be really rewarding when it finally happens. It’s like the theory of against the odds turned up to 11
I've watched almost all of his videos and like 95% of his Against the Odds videos are better than this. This is absolutely horrible. I'm butthurt because the poll had much better options than Hedron Alignment. What a waste
Kevin Dodd double blue. I am noy an u tron expert, but i sometime play it at fnm, and you cannot play double blue card easily. It would result in a very bad against the odds, cuz seth would never cast the card but win with plan b
One of the only MTG content creators I still watch. Love your vids Seth. One small request: please blast my ears off with your old intro. "Proooooooooooooobably better known as SaffronOlive."
On the man lands plan, would Lumbering Falls have been better since it has Hexproof? I suppose it would've been blocked 90% of the time. U/B mana was probably more important too.
I have a hedron deck that's worth less than $30... Transmute helps, bonded fetch, a shit ton of draw power, a few low cost exile cards, and a lot of flying walls.
Back when cruise and dig were still in standard I played this deck a bit hardest part for that deck was getting them into yard and hand . seems like legacy is the place for this because you have force of will to exile it and academy rector to get it on board
Bobbynibbles yea force of will exiles hedron from hand rector gets it in on board then you just need it in yard entomb it . then in hand and you win so it would be esper. Hedron alignment
I mean this is pretty much what I expected from Hedron Alignment, but I am disappointed nontheless. I don't quite get why people vote for these kinds of decks. I've had a similar reaction when people were voting for eternal dominion. I feel like against the odds 100 / 0 is just not fun to watch. Perhaps some people just enjoy watching you suffer. Kudos to you for fighting through it, though. I mean in general, the (very few) games you've won would've been won by any BUG control shell while the Against the Odds card itself wasn't sweet nor helpful, didn't lead to something fun, it was just there. I personally did not enjoy this episode at all. Which I blame on the vote itself. Perhaps Hedron Alignment would be something for a different format, such as Penny Dreadful? But in general, this episode wasn't as enjoyable as I've wished to. But it was exactly what I was expecting. Please people reading this. Don't cast your votes on miserable cards. Fun cards are fine, but games like these are often just depressing to watch. Opponents flooding out and drawing duds for 5+ turns and a card not beating a single relic (honestly, if your opponents just hold the relic until you have one hedron alignment in grave and one in exile, they simply can't lose) is devastating to watch. Seth, keep being the way you are. You're doing a great job and I truly enjoy your content. I just do not enjoy spectating a deck that simply can not win, unless the opponents deck beats them.
That Naya Titan Shift deck seems really spicey, I would love to see Seth pilot it without any changes since I especially love the main deck Blood Moons in a Valakut deck !
Couple of thoughts on your plays, Seth: 1st Match: Probably should've brought in Pithing Needle, especially after game 2 when you knew about Nahiri. On turn 1 you can also name Elder and possibly screw their game plan if they kept a land-light hand. 2nd Match: I think both in game 1 and 2 you should've ambushed Rabblemaster with Snapcaster. In game 1 that would've saved you 4 life and taken out their biggest threat. In game 2 mainphasing Snapcaster did literal nothing and, if anything, made things worse since you now couldn't surprise them with it anymore. We don't know if either would've been enough to stabilize but especially in game it would have bought you AT LEAST another round to find, say, Damnation. Also, you shouldn't have scooped there since that was still an out. Still a bit too prone to not play even if there is hope. 3rd Match: Siding out Collective Brutality was clearly a mistake against a spell-heavy deck with creatures that get hit by it (Small Goyf, Tracker, Snappy, BBE, ...). 4th Match: Going down Thoughtseize against Burn is a bad idea. Yes, yes, it costs you two life but if you get a burn spell out of their hand with it that still effectively gains you 1 or 2 life (or more if it's something recurring like Goblin Guide/Eidolon/Lavamancer). 5th Match: In game 2 you might've wanted to mainphase Thought Scour in case you draw something like Thoughtseize or another Thought Scour. Also, I know you wanted to win via Hedron but you should've started attacking earlier once they were down to just the Mimic. Aside from that you kept some cards on top after scrying that were stone-dead because of Chalice (e.g. Collective Brutality). As far as sideboarding was concerned, boarding out Thoughtseize instead of Inquisition seems like a bad idea considering that the latter doesn't hit their biggest threats like Reality Smasher or Thought-Knot Seer. And with those you also have more time to draw/mill+Snapcaster into discard. Overall, I don't think that it's clear that you'd have won more if you'd played tighter but still, it would've increased your chances at least.
Is it pronounced "he-dren" or "he-drawn"? I also pronounced it the later way because of the logical o-sound at the end. I never thought there was an e-sound where the o is in Hedron.
In match 2, game 1, you should have tried to ambush Rabble Master on their turn. It would also mean they have to cash in relic on their turn, for less efficient mana use. Also, it's confusing when you refer to Collective Brutality's hand-disruption mode as "duress"; it's not the same effect. Why not block Goyf with Tasigur game 2?
So, for those who voted to see this deck played, what was the thinking there? Was there some hope it would do well or do all y'all just want to watch Seth suffer? In the future, can we just consider my vote always cast for playing relevant decks, please?
Zach Harris Yes and no. Commune gets you a HA back in hand, but its sorcery speed. Of the two, id be using Commune holding up a counter, and run mainboard Surgical Extraction over that 5 mana card he is using. Noxious revival would be a good addition.
So with manlands make sure u enter combat and wait for ur opponent to cryptic u when they r telligraphing it then after the cryptic resolves u have priority to turn on ur manland and then move to declare attackers. It's easy to miss and shortcut but don't with triple blue and 1 up. Just don't want u to lose games because of it in the future😚
Just the worst rare from the BFZ block (saying something) played next to the worst rare from the Kaladesh block. Did we ever expect anything else? Even Prism Array at least interacts with one creature once sometimes XD The fact it happened even ONCE was stunning XD
I think Hedron alignment want more a Control shell, where Hedron alignment is Just Like a backdoor wincondition, and If you dont win with it, the scry is actually fine, that its still a usefull card.
i dont think you can go for hedron alignment win and still try to play a fair interactive game. Should just go full in on the win and play lots more cantrips. Serum powder would actually be a good inclusion to get the free exile with an alignment in hand
Please play this deck again (even with some tweaks if you come up with anything) when you at a loose end regarding what to play. If Hedron Alignment could be played as a four of (as a special rule, just like relentless rats has in some formats) in Commander that would also be amusing, you just need to make allies until you win out of nowhere (LOL).
Getting a copy exiled is pretty easy (Tasigur, Logic Knot, Murdurous Cut all do it with delve), the problem is somehow drawing all four copies, which is where Secret Salvage is helpful.
Since this is already a super jank list, why not run a single laboratory maniac and a copy of memory’s journey? It seems to be a fun and even jankier back up win condition to the deck as it is only a 2 card package that fits in perfectly with the deck.
Kelvin Liu-Huang what are you even TALKING about, it's a 1 mana pre counter to a suspended Visions... yeah, it's terribad, but so is this deck so it would fit right in.
I brewed a version of the Hedron alignment deck in legacy once. It was Blue/white and played like a control deck most of the time. One for one removal, board wipes, and counterspells. I never was able to build it due to budget, but the dream play is pitching the final Alignment to a Force of Will to win.
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MTGGoldfish messing with my after work ritual.
MTGGoldfish that's okay! Thanks for all the content.
I'm just happy when ever I see a video from you guys off schedule, y'all are really good at being within about a 5 minute window.
MTGGoldfish this us obnoxious, gross and discusting. I love it.
Strionic Resonator is first, good job for once, guys :P
'the downside of having Secret Salvage in your deck is sometimes you draw it.' - Seth, finding out how janky his cards actually are.
Who would win?
A Hedron Alignment, with a $1,000+ deck to support its game plan.
*one scavengy boi*
Hedrons don't care about money, apparently.
One what?
scooze
or Scavenger Grounds
S C A V E N G EB O II SH E C K I NB E S TB O I
That moment when snapcaster beatdown is more viable than Hedron
You would win more games with 1/1 beatdowns in a mono-W Martyr Proc deck than you would with Hedron Alignment
Vlox Flox If I had a dollar for every win I got on the back of Noble Hiearch beats I would be rich.
This video should be titled "Even when the stars align, the hedrons don't."
"Alright, it's emrakul, we've been annihilated."
52:25 - first and only hedron win
There, I saved y'all an hour
You sir, are an unspoken hero.
TheFrozenMoogle shhh
Nice! Nothing makes my day more than an Against the Odds for Modern! I'll be able to come home from work and relax, and enjoy Seth trying to beat tier decks with the jankiest stuff imaginable. Love it.
or not lol
7:27 first game
ChronoJack thank you
that player mis played so hard with prsmatic and the 6 lands arleady and he top decks prime time why didnt he just grab 2 valakuts? like... he had the game
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The first hedron alignment against the Odds is one of my favorite mtggoldfish videos! Stoked to see it again.
this deck isnt against the odds, Hedron Alignment was one of the easiest cards to ever build a deck around in Magic but this deck isnt that good
Heyo. Just used your Pauper Black Ponza video as reference for my own deck. Thanks for helping me out.
Seth, you should have tried to make it budget by three more dollars so that the price was $1234
He should have added an extra $100 so the deck would be $1337
There are already plenty of budget deck for players who enjoy losing.
A L I G N E D
I have never been more excited after seeing someone win in my entire life!
I missed a land drop and couldn't outpace a turn 2 TassDaddy.
Thank you for the clarification
DPR _ anything for you, bb.
Savage... lmao
Did you not have any valakuts in your deck?
I've been waiting for this video forever, WU Hedron Alignment was my first deck ever. Love to see it actually pulled off in modern. ^^
The ranking of alternate wincons is something I did not know i needed until now
the downside to having secret salvage is sometimes you draw it
Do you think Hedron Alignment would be more doable if its win trigger were end of turn or its ability was more than just a 2 mana scry?
Also has hexproof
Seth, someone here suggested Gifts Ungiven for the deck but then deleted their comment. I concur with that idea. You can do a lot with it like piles such as Hedron Alignment, Eternal Witness, Secret Salvage, Snapcaster Mage (assuming nothing else in the GY yard yet). Might make this deck more consistent. Secret Salvage could be cut down to a single copy this way and maybe going down some Grisly Salvages for the 4th Gifts and something else that goes better with GU.
I've been waiting for this for so long
(Game around 39:00) Should have been a Hedron Alignment win (and not a Hedron Alignment scrying into another type of win win either).
I am also just imagining the worst loss ever; chalice on 2 and on 3 and then not finding an Engineered Explosives. Nooooooo!
That would be bad.
Wouldn’t Commune with the Gods be a better option than Grisly Salvage since it can grab enchantments? Would give you the option to mill or keep the Hedron Alignment.
As a devoted Modern Hedron Alignment player, it makes me happy to see it get another video.
Me too man
I once did an Bant colored variant of Hedron alignments
Using white and green hate cards against enchantment on my own stuff
I guess that's why it has Hexproof and not Shroud...
Does anyone know the name of other videos where seth commandeers some tron stuff? I forgot the video and really want to watch it again.
I used to run Alignment, it's very consistent to win with if you go mono blue. Using Strategic Planning and Temporal Trespass, Cyclonic Rift, Merfolk Looter, all in playsets. Throw in Mind Sculptor since he's unbanned now.
at 40:50 ...how did logic knot not get countered by Chalice on 2?
nvm
"202.3b When calculating the converted mana cost of an object with {X} in its mana cost, X is treated as 0 while the object is not on the stack, and X is treated as the number chosen for it while the object is on the stack. Spells don't care about alternative costs: 117.9c."
@40:54 could you not have used Collective Brutality here to discard Hedron Alignment while the opponent was off of Scavenger Grounds mana? Or were you just worried about Simian Spirit Guide?
EDIT: Just noticed Chalice was on 2. But you can still discard with Brutality even through Chalice, right?
EDIT 2: I'm dumb. You only win on your own upkeep, huh.
I felt the feeling in the air. Seth wanted to sideout 8 dead cards every time but overbear it for an idea
Actually this deck remids me of myself when I was 6. ooh, oow, this soldier goes in here. Wow, we even have a plastic dog on top of the sand castle. It is wonderfull to have fun, but sometimes there's a bully-boy opponent which ruins it
How do you think this deck will do with mission briefing in place of snapcaster mage?
My Hedron Alignment deck is far from optimized since I threw it together on a whim out of old stuff lying around, but I basically just use Jhoira to suspend Enter the Infinite and Time Crafting to make it pop when my opponents aren't ready for it. Then, once I've drawn all my Hedrons, it's fairly easy to get them where I need them to be. Using one on the battlefield to scry my way to my pieces is great too. The only trick is, I often just end up falling back on Lab Maniac if I go off too early. Though my one-off Omniscience and graveyard recycling makes going infinite with the couple of burn spells in the deck possible too.
Can you make a paradox engine deck in standard like the one you made for aether revolt standard with something like pyramid of the pantheon in replace of hedron archive
Infernat Tutor could'Ve been the answer to your Hedron Problem or at least helps to find them more easily. Another option could've been Transmute spells and some sport of Defender Reanimation subtheme to finish in one go.
Axebane Guardian, Doorkeeper and Drift of Phantasms could go in there for the defender theme because the ramp could help scrying through the deck to find the Hedrons while the other two help finding it while Doorkeeper also adds another win condition. Altough thats a bit more budget which could make it worse.
But Infinity Mana could go nicely because of the scry manasink ability of Hedron.
We can notice when Saff gives up on the deck, that he starts doing suboptimal plays
I actually find these super hard 1 in a million against the odds to be really rewarding when it finally happens. It’s like the theory of against the odds turned up to 11
Now do it in legacy so you can use Intuition to find a bunch of copies.
I actually have a kid in my playgroup who does just that, and he sometimes pulls off turn 3 wins with the chrome moxs
Do I hear vintage hedrons?
How much of this deck is legal in Pioneer? We've got Treasure Cruise and Dig Through Time legal there.
This is miserable
Welcome to Against The Odds.
No i mean,this has to be one of the worst of Odds video,he only managed to do it ONCE.
I've watched almost all of his videos and like 95% of his Against the Odds videos are better than this. This is absolutely horrible. I'm butthurt because the poll had much better options than Hedron Alignment. What a waste
I want to see Mechanized Production on Strionic Resonator. I feel like that's a relatively ethical use for U-Tron.
Kevin Dodd double blue. I am noy an u tron expert, but i sometime play it at fnm, and you cannot play double blue card easily. It would result in a very bad against the odds, cuz seth would never cast the card but win with plan b
I have a blue black control/combo variant. Using as foretold, lotus bloom, and gifts ungiven
Seth in the sideboard you cut a Damnation for a Commandeer? Why?
One of the only MTG content creators I still watch. Love your vids Seth. One small request: please blast my ears off with your old intro. "Proooooooooooooobably better known as SaffronOlive."
On the man lands plan, would Lumbering Falls have been better since it has Hexproof? I suppose it would've been blocked 90% of the time. U/B mana was probably more important too.
The nice part of Creeping Tar Pit is it's really good at killing Jace.
Got it. That is a pretty important job nowadays.
I have a hedron deck that's worth less than $30... Transmute helps, bonded fetch, a shit ton of draw power, a few low cost exile cards, and a lot of flying walls.
A Hedron Alignment deck? I can feel the jank is strong with this one!
Hmmm maybe the best shell would be a UW Prison enchantment decks? Mainboard leylines and runed halo, and the like?
I must say, even if your last opponent played like a drunken sailor, their deck looked fun! Spirit is my FAVORITE tribe.
Was anyone else amazed at the maindeck sideboard-style hate in that Eldrazi deck? I think it is brilliant.
That Bant Spirits player really was playing like a drunken sailor. Deck looked fun even still.
Back when cruise and dig were still in standard I played this deck a bit hardest part for that deck was getting them into yard and hand . seems like legacy is the place for this because you have force of will to exile it and academy rector to get it on board
Save Mean Hedron Alignment is blue?
Bobbynibbles yea force of will exiles hedron from hand rector gets it in on board then you just need it in yard entomb it . then in hand and you win so it would be esper. Hedron alignment
46:57 shouldnt the record be 3-9?
I mean this is pretty much what I expected from Hedron Alignment, but I am disappointed nontheless. I don't quite get why people vote for these kinds of decks. I've had a similar reaction when people were voting for eternal dominion. I feel like against the odds 100 / 0 is just not fun to watch. Perhaps some people just enjoy watching you suffer. Kudos to you for fighting through it, though.
I mean in general, the (very few) games you've won would've been won by any BUG control shell while the Against the Odds card itself wasn't sweet nor helpful, didn't lead to something fun, it was just there.
I personally did not enjoy this episode at all. Which I blame on the vote itself. Perhaps Hedron Alignment would be something for a different format, such as Penny Dreadful? But in general, this episode wasn't as enjoyable as I've wished to. But it was exactly what I was expecting.
Please people reading this. Don't cast your votes on miserable cards. Fun cards are fine, but games like these are often just depressing to watch. Opponents flooding out and drawing duds for 5+ turns and a card not beating a single relic (honestly, if your opponents just hold the relic until you have one hedron alignment in grave and one in exile, they simply can't lose) is devastating to watch.
Seth, keep being the way you are. You're doing a great job and I truly enjoy your content. I just do not enjoy spectating a deck that simply can not win, unless the opponents deck beats them.
dd7896 this is what happens when you bring democracy into a casual fanbase
dd7896 I vote for whatever card has the biggest deckbuilding restriction.
dd7896 you smell bad
I do, thanks for pointing that out. May I also point out that your comment is pretty pointless?
dd7896 worth noting. Hedron Alignment has hexproof. So the opponent can’t just blow you out with relic hate.
That Naya Titan Shift deck seems really spicey, I would love to see Seth pilot it without any changes since I especially love the main deck Blood Moons in a Valakut deck !
Nr4747 I sent him the list an hour before we played.
Nr4747 I thought I already had valakuts out game one so I just clicked the first two lands I saw since I had omen.
Ah, so this wasn't a 2-man-queue, then ?
The Hedrons align against a Drunken Sailor. Those are the odds.
NahiriShift
2 Hour of Promise
2 Nahiri, the Harbinger
2 Cinder Glade
2 Courser of Kruphix
1 Anger of the Gods
4 Primeval Titan
4 Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
3 Prismatic Omen
2 Scapeshift
2 Summoner's Pact
4 Search for Tomorrow
4 Stomping Ground
2 Sacred Foundry
4 Sakura-Tribe Elder
3 Wooded Foothills
3 Blood Moon
3 Mountain
1 Plains
4 Forest
2 Lightning Bolt
1 Hour of Devastation
3 Farseek
2 Windswept Heath
2 Anger of the Gods
2 Scavenging Ooze
1 Obstinate Baloth
3 Leyline of Sanctity
2 Back to Nature
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Lightning Bolt
3 Chalice of the Void
Couple of thoughts on your plays, Seth:
1st Match: Probably should've brought in Pithing Needle, especially after game 2 when you knew about Nahiri. On turn 1 you can also name Elder and possibly screw their game plan if they kept a land-light hand.
2nd Match: I think both in game 1 and 2 you should've ambushed Rabblemaster with Snapcaster. In game 1 that would've saved you 4 life and taken out their biggest threat. In game 2 mainphasing Snapcaster did literal nothing and, if anything, made things worse since you now couldn't surprise them with it anymore. We don't know if either would've been enough to stabilize but especially in game it would have bought you AT LEAST another round to find, say, Damnation. Also, you shouldn't have scooped there since that was still an out. Still a bit too prone to not play even if there is hope.
3rd Match: Siding out Collective Brutality was clearly a mistake against a spell-heavy deck with creatures that get hit by it (Small Goyf, Tracker, Snappy, BBE, ...).
4th Match: Going down Thoughtseize against Burn is a bad idea. Yes, yes, it costs you two life but if you get a burn spell out of their hand with it that still effectively gains you 1 or 2 life (or more if it's something recurring like Goblin Guide/Eidolon/Lavamancer).
5th Match: In game 2 you might've wanted to mainphase Thought Scour in case you draw something like Thoughtseize or another Thought Scour. Also, I know you wanted to win via Hedron but you should've started attacking earlier once they were down to just the Mimic. Aside from that you kept some cards on top after scrying that were stone-dead because of Chalice (e.g. Collective Brutality). As far as sideboarding was concerned, boarding out Thoughtseize instead of Inquisition seems like a bad idea considering that the latter doesn't hit their biggest threats like Reality Smasher or Thought-Knot Seer. And with those you also have more time to draw/mill+Snapcaster into discard.
Overall, I don't think that it's clear that you'd have won more if you'd played tighter but still, it would've increased your chances at least.
5 years later, the video ranking all the I win cards is done.
Is it pronounced "he-dren" or "he-drawn"? I also pronounced it the later way because of the logical o-sound at the end. I never thought there was an e-sound where the o is in Hedron.
Hedron rhymes with tron. No part of your explanations made any sense tbh :)
In match 2, game 1, you should have tried to ambush Rabble Master on their turn. It would also mean they have to cash in relic on their turn, for less efficient mana use. Also, it's confusing when you refer to Collective Brutality's hand-disruption mode as "duress"; it's not the same effect.
Why not block Goyf with Tasigur game 2?
So, for those who voted to see this deck played, what was the thinking there? Was there some hope it would do well or do all y'all just want to watch Seth suffer?
In the future, can we just consider my vote always cast for playing relevant decks, please?
Turn 2 Tasigur - welcome to Grixis Delver, Seth! :D
Wouldn't commune with the gods be better than Gridley salvage?
Zach Harris Yes and no. Commune gets you a HA back in hand, but its sorcery speed. Of the two, id be using Commune holding up a counter, and run mainboard Surgical Extraction over that 5 mana card he is using. Noxious revival would be a good addition.
So with manlands make sure u enter combat and wait for ur opponent to cryptic u when they r telligraphing it then after the cryptic resolves u have priority to turn on ur manland and then move to declare attackers. It's easy to miss and shortcut but don't with triple blue and 1 up. Just don't want u to lose games because of it in the future😚
Umm... what did you do against Surgical Extraction.
Just the worst rare from the BFZ block (saying something) played next to the worst rare from the Kaladesh block. Did we ever expect anything else? Even Prism Array at least interacts with one creature once sometimes XD The fact it happened even ONCE was stunning XD
Why Grisly Salvage and not Commune with the Gods?
I think Hedron alignment want more a Control shell, where Hedron alignment is Just Like a backdoor wincondition, and If you dont win with it, the scry is actually fine, that its still a usefull card.
Seth, you needed to let the smasher resolve against Serum Eldrazi, target it with something and discard the hedron.
Wouldn’t blood moon destroy a valkult deck when built like that? Seems a bit counterintuitive since it stops its own deck lol
i dont think you can go for hedron alignment win and still try to play a fair interactive game. Should just go full in on the win and play lots more cantrips. Serum powder would actually be a good inclusion to get the free exile with an alignment in hand
Please play this deck again (even with some tweaks if you come up with anything) when you at a loose end regarding what to play.
If Hedron Alignment could be played as a four of (as a special rule, just like relentless rats has in some formats) in Commander that would also be amusing, you just need to make allies until you win out of nowhere (LOL).
This deck was so cool but man to see it not work sucks feels bad for guy who submitted it
Wish you had tried it in standard when Hedron Alignment and Secret Salvage were legal there. I think it would be a lot easier to align.
Why dont you just use Surgical Extraction to exile one of two copies of HA in your graveyard? Seems more convoluted than it needs to be.
Getting a copy exiled is pretty easy (Tasigur, Logic Knot, Murdurous Cut all do it with delve), the problem is somehow drawing all four copies, which is where Secret Salvage is helpful.
You won anyway, but opponent was shields down at 41:10, not enough Mana to scavenger grounds. Chalice counters brutality but you can still cast it..
Nevermind, I forgot the trigger isn't until your next upkeep, this combo really is terrible lol
Benefaction of rhonas doesn't seem horrible here but I can understand why 3 mana may seem excessive.
Yeah, Benefaction is fine, but I think it ranks behind Grisly Salvage and probably Commune with the Gods since they are cheaper.
I feel like Shadow born apostle and Surgical extraction has potential for a video like this.
Its funny because I woke up this morning wondering how I could drop a G on a deck that revolves around a terrible alt win condition
Since this is already a super jank list, why not run a single laboratory maniac and a copy of memory’s journey? It seems to be a fun and even jankier back up win condition to the deck as it is only a 2 card package that fits in perfectly with the deck.
9:12 snapcaster=thought knot seer
Decklist is showing commune with the gods?
!Punt
Commune was initially in the deck, but got switched to Grisly Salvage.
Harder than Battle of Wits, Barren Glory, Chance Encounter, Near-Death Experience?
Near Death Experience isn't that bad if you cast Plunge into darkness on their end step, finding countermagic for the bolt.
+Mtggoldfish please consider doing simic keyrune & mechanized production. It ramps, it protects itself and I think it would be funny.
It’s easier to win with Hedron Alignment by using Starfield of Nyx and beating the opponent to death with it than by actually aligning the hedrons
Three words for you, Pull From Eternity. Keeps you from losing outright to 2 exiled Alignments (though RIP is still a beating)
Joe Hemmann sure if you're all in Hedrons. Otherwise you're just playing one of the worst magic cards in existence.
Kelvin Liu-Huang what are you even TALKING about, it's a 1 mana pre counter to a suspended Visions... yeah, it's terribad, but so is this deck so it would fit right in.
Haha hopefully you're joking. People don't pre sideboard for top cards, let alone a card that barely see play
Well I'm joking about Pull, but only half joking since this deck is already a joke and when you're playing a deck this bad, why not go all the way?
From the looks of it, two Pithing Needles should have been main deck'd.
What about adding a one of force of will to the sideboard so you can exile a hedron from your hand in grindy matchups?
Also, what about a shell that plays mastermind's acquisition as extra copies of hedron? seems better than 4 copies of secret salvage o.o
Against the Odds EU time?
Garudabr ato lunch?
would tutors help? Idyllic tutor, plea for guidance come up on the gatherer search. also fact or fiction, gifts, certain jaces
If I could give this a super like I would
You should do against the odds for commander
Needs 1x Riftsweeper for when your opponent exiles the second hedron :P
Lol I know Tomer had some flashbacks when he saw commander.
After that match against temur, I had to turn it off hahaha. Aligning these hedrons look near impossible 😭😭
Hardest alternate win card? Did you forget Azor's Elocutors?
I brewed a version of the Hedron alignment deck in legacy once. It was Blue/white and played like a control deck most of the time. One for one removal, board wipes, and counterspells. I never was able to build it due to budget, but the dream play is pitching the final Alignment to a Force of Will to win.
This is a pretty reasonable sultai midrange list! Shame it plays 8 dead cards...
You literally just beat me to every deck I work on 😢
I'm still mad that I was too dumb to realize I didn't have valakuts out game 1.
Yay, it's here!
I feel like search for azcanta would've been good in this deck.