Lexus LS430 and LS600hl Comparison and overview
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- Walk around or the 2005 Ls430 and the LS600h. How do they compare? What do you think they are worth and what would you rather have?
The LS600hl has 200k miles and the LS430 has 310,000 miles! Crazy right!?
Amazing cars and highly recommended. What are you thoughts and what do you have?
When I compare these to the German equivalents, I would never want to deal with the issues others have of this era. I have about $2k invested into the 600hl and only $500 invested into the 430! I wouldn’t think a BMW 750i or Mercedes S class of the same era could compete. Such reliable cars there is no comparison. Holler on what you think!!
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I luv these old Lexus looks better than the new LS. I had a 1998 GS400 and I miss that car
Thanks! Two ULTIMATE LUXURY CLASSICS! 🎯💯😎😁
How tf is a XF40 a CLASSIC already?! 😭
I much rather have the LS430 than LS460. The 430 is the greatest car ever made.
I would love to own a 2005 LS430 luxury. I had a 2006 LS430 Sport and i miss her everyday!
I would like to drive a sport sometime. I hope you have a good replacement for her!
I bought an 05 modern luxury 5 months ago. Meticulously maintained. Great car
05 430 a re very expensive 😢
Great video.......Just bought a 2005 Lexus LS 430 143,000 miles pearl white for $6,500 yours is beautiful.😍🥰
Thanks @parrisbrown501 That is a good price and the pearl is beautiful! Good buy
What package?
@@IQ-510 the 430 has the factory optional “Ultra Luxury” package. That came with the air suspension, power reclining REAR seats Heated and cooled seats, massaging rear seats, the rear climate control with air purifier as well as some other good stuff.
The 600hl also has an optional seat package with most of the same items minus the massage seats. For the 600hl, the massage seats only came on the executive package which was a built in middle console with all sorts of goodies.
Where? That's a great price they're expensive to get now. I bave a gs400 I used to have ls430, and I want one.
Got a 2004 430 right now. I've turned it into a "VIP" build over the years. As much as I like the compliments that it receives, I actually would rather the car be completely stock. There's something real cool about these cars when they are stock, not just slammed on large wheels and loud exhaust systems like every new owner wants to do. Completely ruined the ride experience for me doing this to the car. I think I have had my fair run with this car for now. I think it's time to seriously start looking at the 460's that are available here. We can get the RWD and AWD (Import) 4.6 litre and hybrid models. Ideally would love a sub 200,000 km example of a 2008-2009 460.
The 430 is something special. I do think the 460 platform is a little “less built” than the 430. But are much more updated and luxurious.
Check out the car care nut channel. He has a 600k mile LS he is basically restoring! It is crazy.
@@mechanicalintentions5431less built? How so?
@@Mabeylater293 I believe there is less insulation and R&D for the cars after the 430. Don’t get me wrong, but I feel the 430 (not taking in the age and miles in this situation) seems more solid. I have visually seen more clips and attachment points in many panels and parts in the 430 making it seem more over built/solid.
The cars are nice. It’s just funny seeing the reflection of the guy shooting the exhaust clips while crawling. Lol😂
I put my heart and soul into it 😆😆
Had my LS430 for 8 years and I still absolutely love it, nothing has ever gone wrong, - drives absolutely beautifully and effortlessly. I hadn't a clue what I would replace it with (and have immediate plans to do so), but the LS600 does seem like an option :)
Well now the newest issue is some play in the rack… need to deep dive to see about what is happening and hope there is a work around rather than a very expensive new rack🫣
Excellent choices bro 😁🤛🏾
Thank you for sharing these beauties! Of the luxury fullsizers of the 2000s, these are perhaps the only one to truly be worthy of decent ownership. I believe the 04-06 was peak LS in terms of build quality and overall execution. The 460 did modernize things considerably, but Lexus was truly relentless on perfection on the 430s.
Yes, the control-arms are very $$ and almost all of them have to get them replaced. The air suspension components are insane too, but not MBZ Airmatic crazy. But very few electrical or trim concerns to worry with.
Very true on all that! The more modern aspects of 460 platform really is what would pull me that way.
And noooo way would I ever put myself through the ownership of an older MB with the many things that fail. I don’t like pain that much. I can’t totally lie that I have been looking at a 2000 sl500 that is very interesting…. But would be a terrible idea 😆
Proud owner of the LS430 l do not own the luxury addition, and I'll probably die owning this car. If I was to buy a brand new Tesla tomorrow, I would always have room for this in my garage when you drive it, it just hits different. then any other thing you've ever driven.❤🎉❤🎉❤🎉 😎
@@sazaralkazarr1314 love that statement! I just need a bigger garage 😆. Cheers to keeping it on the road!
Loved my 430UL but once i got my 600 there was no looking back.
I agree once you get into the 600…. As long as she stays healthy I would agree! 😆
Which WAs smoother and quieter?
@@mechanicalintentions5431does the 600hL have lots of problems?
@@Mabeylater293 it is starting to have issues. The upper front control arms need to be done still. At least one has a squeal and a light clunk. Doing the lower ones (very expensive) did help immensely as well as the mandatory alignment (that ended up being $280).
Also the e-brake needs either calibrated or replacement of a part. I am taking it in for that since I don’t have the time to work on it myself. Soooo….. the 430 has been more of a pleasure to have for sure!
The 430 beats the hell out of the 460. Especially the 05-06 -430.
How so? Thanks.
@maybelater - For one. The 430 has the infamous 2UFZ engine. It is an interference engine and the parts and labor are expensive; but, the 430 powertrain will be around for 500k miles with zero issues if you maintain it properly; it will never break down; where the 600h…. It’s a hybrid system; unfortunately those batteries are not meant to last that long 🙄
@@ralphlazio505I looked up consumer reports and the and it showed 2013-2018 cars. The LS has a perfect reliability score in nearly every category.
Like I said THE HYBRID SYSTEM is not meant to last that long. It will require a costly replacement in the next 10-12 years or 150k miles depending.
@@ralphlazio505 are you talking about the battery?
The 2005 is the champ the other one is just a big body Camry lol I have an 03 430 and I rather have that then the 06 great cars either way
The 05-06 430 is most reliable and more room. More headroom. More legroom. Less complications. No hard seat bolsters. Easier to work on. Runs very smooth. That engine is bullet proof. The 2010-LS is also very nice but it will cost you a lot more in maintenance! Not as reliable but still better than almost any other luxury car on the high end. And I know this because I own both cars.
Last year I was shopping for a 430 UL and ended up with a launch edition 600. Great cars, thank you for this video!
That is very interesting and very cool! I just learned about that launch edition a couple weeks ago. It sounds like it’s mostly color options, Different wheels, and the luggage set came with it? What options did yours come with? And only 100!? Love to see one on person
Ls430 is King!
I have a 2009 LS460 AWD. Just a wonderful vehicle. Other than the crazy control arm set up, it is just smooth as can be.
Looks like the driver side upper has a squeak. May need to do those next ☹️
@@mechanicalintentions5431between your 600 and 430 which is smoother and quieter?
I’ll buy that 430!!! Perfect color combo!
It really is. After seeing gold ones and other with tan interior, but far the best option.
@@mechanicalintentions5431 I would say blue + tan looks better, but to each their own.
@@varunlikescurry4464 you are right that combo is very nice, I would say you would just have to tint the windows to darken up the inside.
Amazing!
Thank you for sharing
Curious about the 600, why not just replace the rubber bushings like you did with the 430 instead of replacing all the control arms themselves?
mad clean bro these are so hard to find in good shape
It’s all about getting them from the first or second owner. Like many cars once that third owner get alone of a car they can get a little beat on.
Love my 05 430. The engine crank to start time seems about 1/2 of a second too long. It starts just like this 430 did.
@@jkujda I never noticed that. I am super bummed that I got rid of mine, such an amazing car. And all I see now are adds for them and videos to this day! Just tempting me to find another
I drive a 07 LS460 besides the SHITTON of issues it got it’s still a great car honestly
I've owned both
I have been discussing with my wife whether or not to sell our RX330 and get a newer Lexus. Our other option is to get another older Lexus and keep our RX330 that only has 180k miles. WE have put 42k miles on it this last year and its been a wonderful vehicle. Honestly, we can afford a payment but its been nice having something that is super nice but older. Way less to worry about concerning the roads, other drivers, and our kids.
I feel the used market is going to get tighter. More people are holding onto cars and it may be harder to find things? I do see many places like CarMax still have high prices since they bought high and the market is re-leveling.
I would def buy a used Lexus cash if possible and roll around in a great reliable used car. I would just be worried about what a used rate would be if financing. (Haven’t looked into what rates are lately)
I also love having a car with its first scratch already so I don’t have to worry about the first one being on me 😆
I drive cars for my job, I wouldn't recommend getting a newer RX, you will most likely be disappointed with the quality, fit and finish and ride/driving dynamics compared to your 330. I just drove a 2018 RX and was shocked how they have gone downhill compared. Its really not worth all that money to get into something a little more modern. I would spend some money just updating your current vehicle. You can add all the tech you see in the new cars to any car fairly easily. Android auto/apple car play, wheel and tire package. Maybe replace some tired components like the ride control/shocks and struts so it feels new again? Have it detailed and the leather repaired and/or conditioned. Just give it some love it deserves and maybe you'll be more inclined to keep it?
Which one is smoother and quieter?
Nobody gonna mention how this dude slammed the soft close cabin doors shut to “hear the sound”
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I have a 2015 LS 600hL and my dashboard de-lamented - faulty installation from Lexus. Mine is garaged with 51K miles. Lexus did nothing to correct the problem and replacement cost were - honestly - 16K for new dashboard and 2.5K to install. So I had is re-wrapped and a restoration shop in Denver for 3K. What I also did was legally tint the front windshield to eliminate the UV rays. Disappointed that Lexus did not stand behind their mistake. I want to share my story with all Lexus owners.
@@stephens9211 Wow, and $18.5k!? I did not know that was a problem with the 2015 year. Lexus definitely had some issues with the door card and dash material. I hope that is the only big issue you are having with yours and good idea getting all the windows tinted.
My LS has no issue at all even with being from Texas initially. The IS model was even worse it seems with melting materials.
Good lord these things are in near perfect condition. And here I was thinking my 460L was fairly clean lol
Genuinely couldn't tell at certain points when you were switching between cars
@@newnameauto I know! I had a hard time when I was doing some editing 😆. Shows that they did build and design off of what they have done.
How's the mpg on the 600hl
Is there a difference truck space wise between the 600 and 430?
Has the hybrid battery system been good so far?
I'm trying to decide which to go for as my next car. I really like the hl with the extra space but reliability is important to me. Any advice would be appreciated
@@RjTheTrigun my dad drives the 600 and have gotten rid of the 430. But my dad has had a ride heights sensor and one strut go bad so far on the 600.
With reliability, the 430 is the way to go. I loved that car, just can’t keep them all. I would steal clear of the 600. Sadly my dad might be getting rid of the 600 in fear of more repairs and go with an ES or similar.
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what all has gone wrong with the 600? And what causes him to fear more repairs?
@@Mabeylater293 one bad shock, one bad height sensor and all the front suspension components. And now the scare of another bad shock or something else expensive 😆. He just doesn’t want to put any more money into it
I just know the ls430's tailgate was heavy ass hell
Not too bad if you have working shocks! But if not watch your hands!
Given specs my preference wood be the 600h. My search has been either 430 or 600. Fewer 600 available.
The 600’s are hard to find! I like that it is newer just hope that things stay healthy. Now I have an e brake issue for some reason so need to figure that out on the 600.
Both have air suspension? assuming both are expensive to fix. Was hoping that the 430 wasn't equipped with air suspension
@@tonyyayo2115 yes, mine both do. There is coil suspension available on both of these cars. These just have the air option. The 600 has a front driver one that I am going to replace in the next couple months. Not cheap!
@@mechanicalintentions5431 thx for clarifying... I'll just look for coil option when shopping for these vehicles. Both have aged well aestheticly and I prefer them over the finicky German sedans
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Is it cheaper to repair the shock than to just replace it? And if you do replace it, did lexus update the design for better durability?
How is the fuel mileage on the LS600? I hear numerous stories that it isn't that great, and I'm thinking because of the CV transmission. So I'm kinda heading towards a diesel mercedes. I have a 60 mile commute daily, and I dont want to rack up miles on my ls430. I still want to get the 600, later on. Your ls430 looks great. I bought mine used with low mileage, but the seats are all cracked up front. Brand new in the back with the UL package.I'm in Illinois too, so if i spot you, I'll honk. I got maybe 3 or 4 ls430s in my area, but driven by older people. A guy I know was gonna give me a free LS400, but couldn't find the title right away, so he had to donate it. Code violations. So I got into them after that. I will be doing my front end too, but I might use polyurethane bushings.
Getting 23 mpg now with the LS600.
Unfortunately we are still battling front suspension issues which can make a man go broke. All arms are done on the front and hoping the mounting perched on the struts are bad🤷. They hold air, but just getting a knock sound on the drivers side.
I lucked out the original owner took really good care of the interior and added bolster material to keep the drivers seat fresh. I actually sold the 430 to a great guy who has been a Toyota/Lexus mechanic. He just did the window tint, so look out for him. If you see a front badge has the radar cruise plate, it might be the car since not many out there.
I miss it already, but I can’t keep them all!
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I notice that on the LS460s and LS600, to many components in that front end. My 430 is knocking on the drivers side too. The airbag is good, but the shock is leaking a bit. I'm hoping it is only the bushings. I'll find out this week, if the weather cooperates.
I'm disappointed that the ls600 gets poor gas mileage, the 430 does really well on the highway. I was hoping the same. I saw the 2014 ls600s, and they have really nice interiors but they are expensive still. Have a good holiday.
Did you use the updated 2013+ suspension parts?
@@Mabeylater293 i asked when we orders them and they said they are the superseded numbers so they must be
Just got rid of a 01 ls430 almost at 200k
I'm in the UK and I've owned both of these cars. Of course, they're both built to the highest standards that Lexus do so well. I now have an LS460, and in my opinion, this has to be the best Lexus ever! Very spacious, it has all the "toys" of the LS600H and better fuel economy than the LS430. My LS460 is very rapid, with outstanding acceleration; much better performance than the LS600H. I'd pick an LS460 over any Lexus for an all-round perfect car.
Except for one thing...fun!
Don't misunderstand me, my LS460 is great to drive, or just to ride in; but for pure exhilaration, I also own a GS300 SE-L in candy apple red over silver. (Looks incredible!). The car has a "Silent-Sport" exhaust and power-ram air cleaner. It's quiet, really quiet, but I've yet to find anything - ANYTHING - that can catch it, right up to 175mph! Now THATS a fun Lexus!
You are true fan as well! We were thinking of doing the 460 awd.
Yours GS sounds beautiful, I love that color on any soft lined/round car. So good looking, and sounds like you have the perfect upgrades. A GS is next on my radar.
To me cars are like puppies to me I want them all!
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Which one has the more comfortable rider and better sound insulation?
LS430
The LS430 is slightly more quiet with less road noise. I personally think the 600 has more comfortable seats. The 600 has an amazing sound system. Very clear and a very tight bottom end.
@@mechanicalintentions5431buddy LS430 is far better in everything tbh... sickkkk ride! I over cherish that ride
@@Agu-042I gotta disagree even tho my LS460 got its issues but it’s still somewhat modern, fun, just great car
How much did u get the 600hl for
The LS600hl came from a small dealer in Kansas City and was a Texas car. Got it out the door for $9,700. Everything I saw was between 9-13k in varying conditions and milage. It was so hard to figure out the market. Is that a good deal? What do you think?
@@mechanicalintentions5431 man Thats a great deal I’ve been on the look for
That exact spec and can only find ones for 12k+
@@mechanicalintentions5431how much did you pay for the ls430? Thx.
@@Mabeylater293 all in after the work I have done I have $3,200. Of course I did all the work myself or that number would be towards $5k. Of course a steal either way.
@mechanicalintentions5431 wow you stole both vehicles.
Man, the LS430 must've been driven standing up. There's no wear on the seat
😆 the seat was re-foamed at some time so that really helps keep the wrinkles out
has anyone heard of a frame rotting? Im considering wrapping my 260 000 mile ls.
Like most cars, the LS is a unibody. Unlike a truck that the body sits on the frame. Possibly the sub frame you are talking about?
I personally am not a huge fan of wraps. You Have to get them done by very good professional to last long. Need to keep good care of them and they still only can last so long.
My car seems sound. But im in chicago is why i would be concerned wrapping it for thousands of dollars. It would suck if the frame went out.@@mechanicalintentions5431
Paint jobs are expensive too. Im not sure to wrap or just drive it. @@mechanicalintentions5431