you probably dont give a shit but if you're bored like me during the covid times you can watch all of the new series on Instaflixxer. I've been binge watching with my gf for the last couple of days =)
Being merciful is good, therefore it is just. Doing justice restores, therefore it is merciful. God is not Redeemer by accident, it is an aspect of his merciful justice and his just mercy.
David hawley, well said. Aquinas speaks of the qualities of God as being fundamentally beyond our reckoning. God is just, but not in any way that we can comprehend justice. God is merciful but not in any way that we can understand. For us justice and mercy appear superficially to be opposed. But in God, mercy and justice are in perfect harmony and in fact are one.
@COMMODVS799 “For those who want to save their life will lose it, and those who lose their life for my sake will save it.” This life is short, eternity is forever.
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"Gulag Archipelago" by Solzhenitsyn is a priceless book illustrating how God placed both good and evil in the human soul. It also gives a deep insight into the socialist reality if it wins in America.
@No Dream: God never placed anything within us for evil is a choice of individuals and it is not a "thing", evil is simply a choice by individuals as is compassion. If mankind choose to be evil then that is their own free will to do so.
@ You will never know how I know what I know, for you appear to lack the compassion to feel any truth any more. Yes free will may be an illusion now, because mankind chose to believe evil intentions. But in the end it will be your choices which determine your fate in creation.
No Dreams if by socialism you mean communism then I agree with you. But fyi the countries with the best living standards all have some form of socialism single payer healthcare, free or cheap college etc
No Dreams so why is the USA last in healthcare? Empirical studies have proven that single payer works better. Germany France Denmark Sweden Norway Australia Canada all have better living standards than the US. Stop being a wage slave.
8:50 Bp Barron nails it. Somewhere people are getting it. The Roman Church and Christianity in general are little more than collective therapy sessions. It's time to get medieval up in here.
@@RevGary Wrong, boy. It is the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, as has been confessed by Christians since his resurrection. Orthodox Christians are bro-tier, tho.
@@RevGary Like it or not, that's how it was - the christianity, before Luther came some 1500 years after Christ, and decided he is the one who should say what christianity really is about...and then Zwingli, and then Calvin and then 30 000 other self proclaimed preachers, "prophets", carismatic leaders and televangelists....
@@calson814 how about God transcending the Transcendings and above the Abovers? Reigning all Concepts and the Non-concepts? Complete Grandness beyond All Thoughts and Imaginary, yet ever so closer to us and all Creations than us and all Creations ourselves through the Power of His Love But then again, all that we can talk or "explain" about God is nothing compare to God Himself because thats just what we CAN comprehend
As far as I can assess, he studies a lot of Thomas Aquinas. If a cleric studies Thomas Aquinas, they'll either be the most forward looking, "theology of liberation" etc. types of people you'll ever find holding the Christian faith; or they will be the most ignorant reactionaries. I'm yet to find anyone in between
I remember coming out of my canonical Catholic church in Torrington, Connecticut in the mid 1970s (was there for a wedding) and outside were a group of scruffy protesters displaying "God is Dead" signs.
True creation does not behave as mankind does, and does not desire authority over children. There is no inherent evil within the darkness for evil is a personal choice of individuals. There is no inherent compassion within the light for compassion is a personal choice of individuals. The choices of mankind create good or evil and if an individual does not know the difference between compassion and evil, this individual will not walk forwards into eternity. There is no place in the most high place for Authority or pretenders.
One may not have desire to have authority over children but children without some type of authority or example have a tendency to DIE and/or hurt themselves.No human culture without exception allows Children to have complete authority over what they can do, even the Freedom loving West because if they did Children these would die off. Authority is not inherently bad
I am very surprised of how little catholics care about their religion and its future. With all of the current scandals people are increasingly leaving the church, and less and less men want to be priests. When I asked my catholic friends what were they doing to counteract the child abuse in the church, they told me they were "praying really hard". There might not be any church left for their grandchildren really, with this group of priests set to torpedo the church and no one doing much to hold them accountable.
Prayer is the most powerful thing we can do with what little power we have. Because we are asking God to intervene. He can, we can't. What am I supposed to do about it when I've never been around such a priest or scandal? It's not an issue in my vicinity. But I can pray for the people that it does affect.
Dostoyevsky done told you…I as Christian can put a case AGAINST GOD EVEN BETTER THAN ANY ATHEIST. AND HE DID,,,,he also said,…god is a cultural phenomenon that defines a society and morality.without him there is CHAOS
@@11kravitzn its as gandhi said 'i like your Christ i do not like your Christians' Nietzsche did say that jesus was the only true christian. The bishop said that he applauds the athiest criticsm of god because its an untrue god we criticize. I don't get it with these people. They are reformed believers nothing more. The ugliness written in their doctrines cannot be justified
@@Anicius_ "I call Christianity the one great curse, the one great intrinsic depravity, the one great instinct of revenge, for which no means are venomous enough, or secret, subterranean and small enough,-I call it the one immortal blemish upon the human race...."
@Peruvian Tree Productions: God is not an "it" they are a person just like you. When people lack the compassion to do compassionate things upon this earth, this is when their God becomes an "it" You honestly believe evil does not know how to control your thoughts? Evil intentions are always in the places where power and authority derive and you are not. Any god is only as good or real as those who believe in them, doing nothing to fight evil leaves your God none existent on this earth. for evil rules the children of this creation. For these children choose to do nothing and believe Liars who desire power and control.
@@kronos01ful I am not religious, but I do know a story when I am told one who claims authority in their words. Jesus never died he walks this earth as we speak.
I'm not sure what God Barron is talking about but its not the Christian one. I know you want to spin it. But yeah... nope. Still good to see these two talk.
@Prasanth Thomas Ah but I did say that. That those people might say other things about "God" does not negate my point that Barron is not talking about the god he thinks he is talking about. :)
@Prasanth Thomas True, I made a statement with zero supporting argument to it, to wit your "counter" was to mention some other people who talk about god in some other way that has nothing to do with the statement I gave. *Now* you actually make a coherent point, what I said is simply a bald assertion. Its my view, and without arguments you should be skeptical about it. As far as supporting my statement, Barron talked in detail about a god that simply doesn't match what the god of the bible is. It would take paragraphs and/or a long video to really detail that out. I'm going to be lazy and not do that so - keep being skeptical. :)
@Prasanth Thomas You mean for "YOU" who is "us" what group are you talking about? My point is this dude was not talking about the god that he thinks about. I do not care what other dudes said - its not even relevant. Yeah testimony is enough for you - that is one of many problems - it shouldn't be. Ever. Sounds like you might be catholic perhaps. No idea how anyone could be part of a group that hide pedos but whatever. Oh the attributes are SAID about god in the bible - but they are not actually performed by the god in the bible. All loving? Yeah well unless you piss it off - then it nukes your city of floods the whole world or turns you to salt. Yeah, that's "loving" sure. The god he wants to be real is not the god that is written about - and that is one more problem people have - the book says what god is - but then god does things that do not match what it says about god - then the people have to fan theory about why god did it that way, or that there might be some possible way to justify it etc. I'm not into that BS so I'm calling it out. Your not going to agree, and that is fine. If you want to - I'll have you on my channel and I'll ask you why you believe what you believe etc.
@@maloxi1472 Their own desires dictate individuals intent, only an individual can forbid themselves, I do not have to do anything or say anything, for it is not my choice what other individual chose to believe. Knowing true creation is a very personal choice, no one on this earth can point the direction for you, One must choose with their own free will.
@@maloxi1472 The very first thing God created was a Family. This is why there is so much more going on here then we can even begin to imagine. Only true compassion will show you the way forwards. Evil can never transcend.
@@maloxi1472 I'm not sure I understand you, but there is One God, Who is the Supreme Being who created everything that is, and everyone who has being. Angels and men. Yes, He does transcend all. First Commandment: I AM the Lord thy God and thou shalt not have strange gods before Me. Judeo-Christians all believe this, and hopefully Bishop Barron does too, or he's no longer a Catholic, nor a Christian.
JP says: the true christian is "just" Christ is that mean that even the church (christianity) its self, as a representative, can be not a true christian..why?..they all still all too human..??.. 😁🤔.. The grand Inquisitor by dovtohesky...pointed that out...
it's nice to say the both great person, blalbla . It will be much nicer to understand and listen to who they talk too. And at least to have read Nietzsche - You make your thoughts on person by directly read him instead of listen poeple talking about him. "" It 's Nietzsche """ who said that Jesus was the only true christian and that Christianity is more the religion of St Paul (Paul de Tarse) than the religion au Jesus (read : Der Antichrist)
Yeah... I know that Nietzche has said that not Jordan... The way they interpreted Nietzhe from each perspective is what i interessted...within its identity burden from each seite...privat academic Psychoanalitic vs pastor from religious institutional...say something right...😅🙏
The Church IS Christ. It is His Body. Yes, yes, St. Paul extrapolated this, but you can see it with Christ's words on the true vine and the branches. Therefore, to be a part of the Body is to be a part of Christ, meaning those in the Church ARE true Christians.
@@joshuaorourke1976 Bishop Barron still holds to the the views of God being a person, that Jesus is God, that the God so plainly described in the Old Testament is not God at all. The bishop is being wishy washy and unclear. He applauds Nietzsche, who glorified war, which was totally irreconcilable with the doctrine and example of Jesus, Peterson dodges this and diverts to Dostoyevsky. The doctrine of nonviolent nonresistance and enemy love, the whole point of Christ, the hostility of Christ's message by Nietzsche, who celebrated selfishness and cruelty, are all left off the table, making this segment here a fart smelling intellectual self congratulation barf out session.
@sone Have you even begun reading the bible or studying theology? Nonviolent nonresistance and the Old Testament don't really go together. Catholics also don't hold that the God of the old testament is not God at all that isn't remotely the trinitarian position.
@@davidmarshall9708I know nonviolent resistance and the Old Testament don't go together, and this is why Jesus ABROGATED so much of it. Have I begun studying? I know my bible very well and do not trust those who compiled the official canon at all.
When I met God, they were not human. And neither am I, for I am a spirit having a human experience and not a animal attempting to be a spiritual human.
@@yahulwagoni4571 Your flesh is this earth, it is apart of nature just as all living things upon this earth. Your soul is your person and is the place where our spirits can touch this earth and have companionship with other persons and have a sensation of being present upon this earth. This earth is eternal but your flesh is not. We co-exist with this earth, each needing the other in order to be present in this world. Yes the souls deficient of true compassion do die, only because they have become unnatural to the nature of this creation. All dogs go to heaven because they are natural to the nature of who made them. No matter where in the world you go, a dog will behave like a dog and do not need to be told how to behave or that they are a dog for they know they are a dog. while humans do not know what they truly are and behave differently upon this earth, unnatural behavior for they chose to believe LIARS.
@@loganw1232 I am not preaching, I am not religious and neither is God. Any one who claims authority in the name of any god is completely criminally insane. I do not need faith or belief, I know from experience.
Peterson is flat out lying. Nietzsche hated religion, especially the Abrahamic religions which include Catholicism. Nietzsche also hated Plato, the creator of the Abrahamic religions. He said they were the bane of humanity and cowards.
The Roman Catholic view was exposed by Luther and the best was neitzche. He foresaw the end result of the Roman dogmas of nihilism , like buddhism the renouncing of our physical self's and other worldly Search for higher values.
@@701delbronx8 many hated most religions, his God is dead is open to interpretation, am sure the tragic death of his Lutheran father maybe affected his opinion on that subject.
But when the Luther came some 1500 years later, he discovered what christianity is all about (before that being a catholic monk as well) - give us a break.
@@RevGary You don't need to teach me history of christianity I assure you - I know it much better than you. Besides, doesn't change much - they are still later development. Was Luther wrong in everything? No. He was right in attacking the abuses, the immorality adn corruption in the Church. But then he went on changing what was always considered sacred, namely, eucharist - that was celebrated even before the Epistles of Paul were written, let alone the Gospels. From then on, even worse - every preacher shaping the faith as him personally seemed fit. No wonder that so many protestants have lesbian "bishops" today and are supportive of abortion etc., etc. No wonder that atheism is rampant precisely in the countries once protestant. th-cam.com/video/fSnXm571_rM/w-d-xo.html
I distrust Barron being a Christian when he likes to dabble with worldly philosophy. There are plenty of strands of Christians who would call his love for world philosophy and sports idolatries.
@@thyikmnnnn Because when push comes to shove, the Bible condemns worldly aiming points. At bottom, the Bible condemns any expression of self-will. Put aside your worldly striving, be gentle, and submit to the Lord, it says. It is vanity that you have big worldly passions, it says.
@@williamcurt7204 Because self-will presupposes that there is something within you that ought to be responsible for your behaviors. As such, the meaning of your behaviors, given that you think responsibility means something, is allocated on *you*. Yes, *you* can drive to church, where you hear endless condemnations of pride, strife, etc. Basically if you take pride in your actions, and think that *you* chose to get to church, go to work, etc., you'll only get to church to be put down in thinking that. How dare you attribute to *your* will what you do and say? That's pride and vanity. You know who made the breakthroughs in physics and algebra that you mention? Or any other subject? Idolaters. People with an uncanny, unbalanced obsession with discovering what they would discover. They certainly weren't balanced, divinely unconcerned church boys; that's for sure. The "neutralize all drives" theme everywhere in the Bible sure don't get you breakthroughs in anything. Being committed to your fundamental worthlessness isn't compatible with being committed to spending 70 hours a week scratching up the theory of relativity.
@@williamcurt7204 I was exaggerating when I said that the Bible condemns *any* form of self-will. What I meant was that the dogma prevents you from dedicating yourself extensively to worldly pursuits. Everything is "given" by the Lord, not earned by an extraordinary work ethic. You can generally learn math and not be an idolater but absolutely cannot discover anything important in math or be an extraordinary mathematician without being an idolater. The focusing on the subject to an almost autistic degree that is required for such an achievement is "idolatry." The Bible openly is hostile to those who are extraordinary or highly specialized. It condescendingly reduces you to the "balanced" life... you know, like 99.9% of the population. Everyone should be the *same*. Every single one of the minds behind your taken-for-granted items - your car, your smartphone, your tablet, the company you work for, the internet - are thanks to idolaters. You cannot get around that. While this is more about the moral philosophy of the Bible, not the theological claims, if you want to get into the theology of it as well, let us not forget Copernicus was thoroughly resisted and threatened to be roasted alive over a brilliant fire ceremoniously in the town square for discovering that the universe actually didn't revolve around the Earth. Give me a break.
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God bless Bishop Barron and Jordan Peterson.
you probably dont give a shit but if you're bored like me during the covid times you can watch all of the new series on Instaflixxer. I've been binge watching with my gf for the last couple of days =)
@Sincere Gannon yea, have been using InstaFlixxer for since november myself :)
@@sinceregannon4972 no
@@brodiealexander4247 no
God bless you too my friend.
God bless these two. They understand what they and all the rest of us need: responsibility.
Catholicism is a literal reptilian Cult worshipping their Draconian Overlords. This is not a joke.
I like that Bishop Barron admitted that he had a hard time following the story while reading "Brothers Karamazov" for all of the Russian names.
We all do, but only a brave few admit it.
Humilitas Vertas
as they say
@@commentconnoisseur1001 read it for a project, just about lost my mind
I can’t even read Crime and Punishment
It was actually the most annoying thing about crime and punishment too especially when you factored in the several different nicknames.
Being merciful is good, therefore it is just. Doing justice restores, therefore it is merciful. God is not Redeemer by accident, it is an aspect of his merciful justice and his just mercy.
Do remember that mercy to the cruel is cruelt to the merciful.
Yahul Wagoni Unless God rewards mercy.
Jesus was merciful to the cruel, and to some it was redemption and to others condemnation.
David hawley, well said. Aquinas speaks of the qualities of God as being fundamentally beyond our reckoning. God is just, but not in any way that we can comprehend justice. God is merciful but not in any way that we can understand. For us justice and mercy appear superficially to be opposed. But in God, mercy and justice are in perfect harmony and in fact are one.
@COMMODVS799 “For those who want to save their life will lose it, and those who lose their life for my sake will save it.”
This life is short, eternity is forever.
"Gulag Archipelago" by Solzhenitsyn is a priceless book illustrating how God placed both good and evil in the human soul. It also gives a deep insight into the socialist reality if it wins in America.
@No Dream: God never placed anything within us for evil is a choice of individuals and it is not a "thing", evil is simply a choice by individuals as is compassion. If mankind choose to be evil then that is their own free will to do so.
@ You will never know how I know what I know, for you appear to lack the compassion to feel any truth any more. Yes free will may be an illusion now, because mankind chose to believe evil intentions. But in the end it will be your choices which determine your fate in creation.
No Dreams what socialist reality are you talking about? The US is the most cutthroat capitalist system in the world.
No Dreams if by socialism you mean communism then I agree with you. But fyi the countries with the best living standards all have some form of socialism single payer healthcare, free or cheap college etc
No Dreams so why is the USA last in healthcare? Empirical studies have proven that single payer works better. Germany France Denmark Sweden Norway Australia Canada all have better living standards than the US.
Stop being a wage slave.
8:50 Bp Barron nails it. Somewhere people are getting it. The Roman Church and Christianity in general are little more than collective therapy sessions. It's time to get medieval up in here.
absolutely.
Roman church is NOT CHRISTIANITY. It's a pagan amalgam disobedient to God.
@@RevGary Wrong, boy. It is the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, as has been confessed by Christians since his resurrection. Orthodox Christians are bro-tier, tho.
@@djb5255 true
@@RevGary Like it or not, that's how it was - the christianity, before Luther came some 1500 years after Christ, and decided he is the one who should say what christianity really is about...and then Zwingli, and then Calvin and then 30 000 other self proclaimed preachers, "prophets", carismatic leaders and televangelists....
God IS the supreme being. Our Creator has power of life and death over us, He doesn't owe us a thing, yet He gave us everything through Christ.
God is not a "being". But God is BEING ITSELF.
@@calson814 how about God transcending the Transcendings and above the Abovers? Reigning all Concepts and the Non-concepts?
Complete Grandness beyond All Thoughts and Imaginary, yet ever so closer to us and all Creations than us and all Creations ourselves through the Power of His Love
But then again, all that we can talk or "explain" about God is nothing compare to God Himself because thats just what we CAN comprehend
I love Peterson but he needs to get a damn microphone. I know he's traveling a lot but I'm sure he can buy something portable.
Blue yeti mac a good cheep mic
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The bishop is being the change he wants to see in the church. Godspeed, bishop.
If that is the case, you can have the Church of Today. I will continue with the Roman Catholic Church of 1545.
@@kevinphillips150 Any reason why 1545 in particular?
"So, what you're saying is...."
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.
Excellent come-back to Rogers.
Interesting discussion. Thanks.
The pastors are cool and relatively forward looking...
As far as I can assess, he studies a lot of Thomas Aquinas. If a cleric studies Thomas Aquinas, they'll either be the most forward looking, "theology of liberation" etc. types of people you'll ever find holding the Christian faith; or they will be the most ignorant reactionaries. I'm yet to find anyone in between
The Grand Inquisitor is the greatest insight to the human condition that has ever been put down in words.
I also think it's a great insight into world politics and the Jesuits.
Is it true that clergy undergo castration to become ordained? Did that originate from Italy? Is Peterson castrated?
Inquiring minds want to know.
0:32 way he said "applaud" sounds like Peterson's voice 🤣
I remember coming out of my canonical Catholic church in Torrington, Connecticut in the mid 1970s (was there for a wedding) and outside were a group of scruffy protesters displaying "God is Dead" signs.
But that's what they understood that the populace understood "God" as.
What does this have to do with slave morality?
True creation does not behave as mankind does, and does not desire authority over children. There is no inherent evil within the darkness for evil is a personal choice of individuals. There is no inherent compassion within the light for compassion is a personal choice of individuals. The choices of mankind create good or evil and if an individual does not know the difference between compassion and evil, this individual will not walk forwards into eternity. There is no place in the most high place for Authority or pretenders.
1Infeqaul1 ”evil” is term/theme for movie plots and children.
@@dennisrydgren @Dennis Rydgren: Evil is a choice by the weak and frightened.
@vincent raj Now that mankind believe liars, nature is fighting for its life, you just can not feel it.
One may not have desire to have authority over children but children without some type of authority or example have a tendency to DIE and/or hurt themselves.No human culture without exception allows Children to have complete authority over what they can do, even the Freedom loving West because if they did Children these would die off. Authority is not inherently bad
I am very surprised of how little catholics care about their religion and its future. With all of the current scandals people are increasingly leaving the church, and less and less men want to be priests. When I asked my catholic friends what were they doing to counteract the child abuse in the church, they told me they were "praying really hard". There might not be any church left for their grandchildren really, with this group of priests set to torpedo the church and no one doing much to hold them accountable.
Prayer is the most powerful thing we can do with what little power we have. Because we are asking God to intervene. He can, we can't. What am I supposed to do about it when I've never been around such a priest or scandal? It's not an issue in my vicinity. But I can pray for the people that it does affect.
We are fighting to restore the tradition in the church and pointing out and exposing the modernists heretics and infiltration in the church
See the Traditional Latin Mass.
Dostoyevsky done told you…I as Christian can put a case AGAINST GOD EVEN BETTER THAN ANY ATHEIST.
AND HE DID,,,,he also said,…god is a cultural phenomenon that defines a society and morality.without him there is CHAOS
Since Jung and Nietzsche's fathers were clergymen they had theological exp. w/ "God" , per SE and we're aware that others did not.
were aware that others had a more "pedestrian" view of "God"?
Neither of these people have read Nietzsche's Antichrist.
I can guarantee 100% that peterson has read nietzsche anti-christ and understood it better than you, so did i.
@@cyberjay9146 So what does Nietzsche think about Christianity?
@@11kravitzn its as gandhi said 'i like your Christ i do not like your Christians'
Nietzsche did say that jesus was the only true christian.
The bishop said that he applauds the athiest criticsm of god because its an untrue god we criticize. I don't get it with these people. They are reformed believers nothing more. The ugliness written in their doctrines cannot be justified
@@Anicius_
"I call Christianity the one great curse, the one great intrinsic depravity, the one great instinct of revenge, for which no means are venomous enough, or secret, subterranean and small enough,-I call it the one immortal blemish upon the human race...."
nietsxhe 0ut dostoyewaki ideology in a philosophy context
The Greeks and Romans had “myths” apparently. But MY God is not a myth. It’s real. Funny how that works.
Well yes ...you have to do your homework .
@Peruvian Tree Productions: God is not an "it" they are a person just like you. When people lack the compassion to do compassionate things upon this earth, this is when their God becomes an "it" You honestly believe evil does not know how to control your thoughts? Evil intentions are always in the places where power and authority derive and you are not. Any god is only as good or real as those who believe in them, doing nothing to fight evil leaves your God none existent on this earth. for evil rules the children of this creation. For these children choose to do nothing and believe Liars who desire power and control.
@@1Infeqaul1 hi ! So what your thoughts on God ? Jesus die for human sins ? What does that mean to you that God die for your arrogance ?
Well, no. That is assertion merely.
@@kronos01ful I am not religious, but I do know a story when I am told one who claims authority in their words. Jesus never died he walks this earth as we speak.
Derrida? And his vulgarity?
I'm not sure what God Barron is talking about but its not the Christian one. I know you want to spin it. But yeah... nope. Still good to see these two talk.
I disagree.
@@markstevenpandan890 okay. why? :)
@Prasanth Thomas Ah but I did say that. That those people might say other things about "God" does not negate my point that Barron is not talking about the god he thinks he is talking about. :)
@Prasanth Thomas True, I made a statement with zero supporting argument to it, to wit your "counter" was to mention some other people who talk about god in some other way that has nothing to do with the statement I gave. *Now* you actually make a coherent point, what I said is simply a bald assertion. Its my view, and without arguments you should be skeptical about it.
As far as supporting my statement, Barron talked in detail about a god that simply doesn't match what the god of the bible is. It would take paragraphs and/or a long video to really detail that out. I'm going to be lazy and not do that so - keep being skeptical. :)
@Prasanth Thomas You mean for "YOU" who is "us" what group are you talking about? My point is this dude was not talking about the god that he thinks about. I do not care what other dudes said - its not even relevant. Yeah testimony is enough for you - that is one of many problems - it shouldn't be. Ever. Sounds like you might be catholic perhaps. No idea how anyone could be part of a group that hide pedos but whatever.
Oh the attributes are SAID about god in the bible - but they are not actually performed by the god in the bible. All loving? Yeah well unless you piss it off - then it nukes your city of floods the whole world or turns you to salt. Yeah, that's "loving" sure.
The god he wants to be real is not the god that is written about - and that is one more problem people have - the book says what god is - but then god does things that do not match what it says about god - then the people have to fan theory about why god did it that way, or that there might be some possible way to justify it etc.
I'm not into that BS so I'm calling it out.
Your not going to agree, and that is fine.
If you want to - I'll have you on my channel and I'll ask you why you believe what you believe etc.
Perhaps Barron needs to attend a Latin Mass. Perhaps he needs to be reminded of the shortcomings of individuals who profess to be Christians.
Father, did you imean to infer that God isn't the Supreme Being above all other gods?
@V Schraa: I believe he meant that true compassion does not desire authority, there for those who do claim any authority are truly evil pretenders.
@@maloxi1472 Their own desires dictate individuals intent, only an individual can forbid themselves, I do not have to do anything or say anything, for it is not my choice what other individual chose to believe. Knowing true creation is a very personal choice, no one on this earth can point the direction for you, One must choose with their own free will.
@@maloxi1472 The very first thing God created was a Family. This is why there is so much more going on here then we can even begin to imagine. Only true compassion will show you the way forwards. Evil can never transcend.
@@maloxi1472 I'm not sure I understand you, but there is One God, Who is the Supreme Being who created everything that is, and everyone who has being. Angels and men. Yes, He does transcend all. First Commandment: I AM the Lord thy God and thou shalt not have strange gods before Me. Judeo-Christians all believe this, and hopefully Bishop Barron does too, or he's no longer a Catholic, nor a Christian.
@@vschraa6137 You are free to choose your own beliefs, but you can not choose for other's for that is an evil intent of authority.
JP says: the true christian is "just" Christ is that mean that even the church (christianity) its self, as a representative, can be not a true christian..why?..they all still all too human..??.. 😁🤔..
The grand Inquisitor by dovtohesky...pointed that out...
it's nice to say the both great person, blalbla .
It will be much nicer to understand and listen to who they talk too. And at least to have read Nietzsche - You make your thoughts on person by directly read him instead of listen poeple talking about him.
"" It 's Nietzsche """ who said that Jesus was the only true christian and that Christianity is more the religion of St Paul (Paul de Tarse) than the religion au Jesus (read : Der Antichrist)
Yeah...
I know that Nietzche has said that not Jordan...
The way they interpreted Nietzhe from each perspective is what i interessted...within its identity burden from each seite...privat academic Psychoanalitic vs pastor from religious institutional...say something right...😅🙏
The Church IS Christ. It is His Body. Yes, yes, St. Paul extrapolated this, but you can see it with Christ's words on the true vine and the branches. Therefore, to be a part of the Body is to be a part of Christ, meaning those in the Church ARE true Christians.
what passes for high level intellectual, theological, philosophical inquiry these days is laughable.
What do you mean?
@@joshuaorourke1976 Bishop Barron still holds to the the views of God being a person, that Jesus is God, that the God so plainly described in the Old Testament is not God at all. The bishop is being wishy washy and unclear. He applauds Nietzsche, who glorified war, which was totally irreconcilable with the doctrine and example of Jesus, Peterson dodges this and diverts to Dostoyevsky. The doctrine of nonviolent nonresistance and enemy love, the whole point of Christ, the hostility of Christ's message by Nietzsche, who celebrated selfishness and cruelty, are all left off the table, making this segment here a fart smelling intellectual self congratulation barf out session.
@sone Have you even begun reading the bible or studying theology? Nonviolent nonresistance and the Old Testament don't really go together. Catholics also don't hold that the God of the old testament is not God at all that isn't remotely the trinitarian position.
@@davidmarshall9708I know nonviolent resistance and the Old Testament don't go together, and this is why Jesus ABROGATED so much of it. Have I begun studying? I know my bible very well and do not trust those who compiled the official canon at all.
Nietzsche couldn't carry Schopenhauer's jock!
Atheism is for leftist morons.
If anything …nieatsche was fatally Wrong.
Or do you call Stalin and Hitler right.
Dostoyevsky said this idea is seductive but it will destroy you
When I met God, they were not human. And neither am I, for I am a spirit having a human experience and not a animal attempting to be a spiritual human.
Nope, other way. You are a soul and you have a spirit. The human soul is central to the personhood of a human being.
You are a flesh container for some products of interlocking neurons. When they die you do too.
@@yahulwagoni4571 Your flesh is this earth, it is apart of nature just as all living things upon this earth. Your soul is your person and is the place where our spirits can touch this earth and have companionship with other persons and have a sensation of being present upon this earth. This earth is eternal but your flesh is not. We co-exist with this earth, each needing the other in order to be present in this world. Yes the souls deficient of true compassion do die, only because they have become unnatural to the nature of this creation. All dogs go to heaven because they are natural to the nature of who made them. No matter where in the world you go, a dog will behave like a dog and do not need to be told how to behave or that they are a dog for they know they are a dog. while humans do not know what they truly are and behave differently upon this earth, unnatural behavior for they chose to believe LIARS.
@@1Infeqaul1 Neo Gnosticism that is what you’re preaching. Look at the Church Fathers, specifically St Augustine.
@@loganw1232 I am not preaching, I am not religious and neither is God. Any one who claims authority in the name of any god is completely criminally insane. I do not need faith or belief, I know from experience.
Peterson is flat out lying. Nietzsche hated religion, especially the Abrahamic religions which include Catholicism. Nietzsche also hated Plato, the creator of the Abrahamic religions. He said they were the bane of humanity and cowards.
The Roman Catholic view was exposed by Luther and the best was neitzche. He foresaw the end result of the Roman dogmas of nihilism , like buddhism the renouncing of our physical self's and other worldly Search for higher values.
Nietzsche hated Protestantism more. He despised Luther
@@701delbronx8 many hated most religions, his God is dead is open to interpretation, am sure the tragic death of his Lutheran father maybe affected his opinion on that subject.
Intellectual junk food
Could you elaborate here?
Barron is a good philosopher, but lives in a nuerotic fantasy world.
Romanist Popery is NOT CHRISTIANITY this makes this "theologian" absurd. The God of the bible is disobeyed by Papists has been for 1700 odd years.
If it kepts people on the straight and narrow, then it's Christian.
Lol...
We are The First Christians...
But when the Luther came some 1500 years later, he discovered what christianity is all about (before that being a catholic monk as well) - give us a break.
@@dominicksebastien2254 the Waldensians and Hugenots predate Luther by a few centuries is that a big enough break for you Domboi?
@@RevGary
You don't need to teach me history of christianity I assure you - I know it much better than you. Besides, doesn't change much - they are still later development.
Was Luther wrong in everything? No. He was right in attacking the abuses, the immorality adn corruption in the Church. But then he went on changing what was always considered sacred, namely, eucharist - that was celebrated even before the Epistles of Paul were written, let alone the Gospels.
From then on, even worse - every preacher shaping the faith as him personally seemed fit. No wonder that so many protestants have lesbian "bishops" today and are supportive of abortion etc., etc. No wonder that atheism is rampant precisely in the countries once protestant.
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I distrust Barron being a Christian when he likes to dabble with worldly philosophy. There are plenty of strands of Christians who would call his love for world philosophy and sports idolatries.
Why can Christian's not like Philiosophy and sport?
@@thyikmnnnn Because when push comes to shove, the Bible condemns worldly aiming points. At bottom, the Bible condemns any expression of self-will. Put aside your worldly striving, be gentle, and submit to the Lord, it says. It is vanity that you have big worldly passions, it says.
@@williamcurt7204 Because self-will presupposes that there is something within you that ought to be responsible for your behaviors. As such, the meaning of your behaviors, given that you think responsibility means something, is allocated on *you*. Yes, *you* can drive to church, where you hear endless condemnations of pride, strife, etc. Basically if you take pride in your actions, and think that *you* chose to get to church, go to work, etc., you'll only get to church to be put down in thinking that. How dare you attribute to *your* will what you do and say? That's pride and vanity.
You know who made the breakthroughs in physics and algebra that you mention? Or any other subject? Idolaters. People with an uncanny, unbalanced obsession with discovering what they would discover. They certainly weren't balanced, divinely unconcerned church boys; that's for sure. The "neutralize all drives" theme everywhere in the Bible sure don't get you breakthroughs in anything. Being committed to your fundamental worthlessness isn't compatible with being committed to spending 70 hours a week scratching up the theory of relativity.
@@williamcurt7204 I was exaggerating when I said that the Bible condemns *any* form of self-will. What I meant was that the dogma prevents you from dedicating yourself extensively to worldly pursuits. Everything is "given" by the Lord, not earned by an extraordinary work ethic. You can generally learn math and not be an idolater but absolutely cannot discover anything important in math or be an extraordinary mathematician without being an idolater. The focusing on the subject to an almost autistic degree that is required for such an achievement is "idolatry." The Bible openly is hostile to those who are extraordinary or highly specialized. It condescendingly reduces you to the "balanced" life... you know, like 99.9% of the population. Everyone should be the *same*. Every single one of the minds behind your taken-for-granted items - your car, your smartphone, your tablet, the company you work for, the internet - are thanks to idolaters. You cannot get around that.
While this is more about the moral philosophy of the Bible, not the theological claims, if you want to get into the theology of it as well, let us not forget Copernicus was thoroughly resisted and threatened to be roasted alive over a brilliant fire ceremoniously in the town square for discovering that the universe actually didn't revolve around the Earth. Give me a break.
I suggest you to read Church fathers, especially Justin the Martyr.