So the cop was all guilt-ridden because he was responsible for Grimms getting away with the murder of the 16-year-old so he frames him for another murder. But...well, what about the person who ACTUALLY murdered the other woman?! What happened to him?! Didn't THAT guy just get away with murder?!
@@jamespoledna2693 at the risk of waaaaay overanalyzing a plotline to a fictional TV show :), your statement has some glaring issues imo. First, you're suggesting that getting justice for victim #1 is more important than getting justice for victim #2. (They didn't even have a chance to figure that murder out!) Second, you're suggesting that the sentence given to the framed murderer for murder #2 qualifies as justice for murder #1. Since murder #2 wasn't even really investigated, there's no way possible anyone can know that. Maybe buddy would have only gotten like 2 years for the other murder, instead of the 20 he ended up serving. Hell, maybe buddy didn't do it at all and there's a reason why he had the knife and it was a false/coerced confession. That's highly, highly unlikely but without investigating (and without a trial!), no one really knows. Third, if this happened irl, upon release the framed murderer guy would end up winning millions of dollars after suing for wrongful imprisonment and there would be tons of news stories about how he's innocent i.e. totally NOT a murderer at ALL. There's also that ol' "the cop isn't the judge, jury and executioner" argument, but that's stupid so I'll leave well enough alone. :)
Believe it or not, that might be based on a real life requirement. Many government/public agencies have ethics rules against lower level employees giving money to higher level. E.g. if my boss and I go out to lunch, either we can pay for our own meals or Boss can pay for my meal, but I’m not allowed to pay for Boss’s meal. It’s one of those tiny details that lends authenticity to the setting. Though if law shows wanted to add real authenticity, they’d stop implying that you can go from arrest to trial in less than a year. 🤷🏽♀️
And some of the scenes where there is a Venetian blind in the background, the sunlight coming in you can tell is from a stage light, as the spread pattern from the slats is diverging, but if it were natural sunlight with the sun far away, the pattern would be non-diverging.
So because e couldn’t keep his cool and punched the guy, he got to walk for a murder, a second murder happened and he framed him, but whenever really killed him got away. Yeah...great justice logic, because once that gets out, every arrest he made will be made into question.
I thought its hard to keep your cool when your sitting across from a murderer and a pedophile and he start smoking you.I would be throwing hands with that suspect
If I were the lawyer, I would’ve looked hard at Officer Daniels. It could’ve easily been that he had more of a history with the suspect than we’re led to believe, one that would undermine the entire case of even the first murder.
I mean when you live in the same area for a long time you’ll interact with the same cops over and over. I see the same cops that have shown up to my house multiple times at my corner gas stations and I always wave hello. I guess we technically have a history since anytime I call they show up but it’s not personal
well but they said at the beginning, he was innocent of the murder that put him in prison, don't get me wrong I had the same thought but then that got brought up
@@aaronburgin1442 I agree but you have to convict him on that crime..cops can't start planting evidence to get one guy meanwhile letting a new guy free
@@Mourtzouphlos240 In New Orleans, cops planting guns on people after a bad shoot was so common that they had a name for the gun. They called those guns ham sandwiches. Seriously.
A lawyer can make an argument sure, but it's not a get out of jail free card for everyone he put away. A lawyer would actually have to prove the cop did something illegal for his other cases. There would likely be very few cases that may get a retrial if any. Its only a real nightmare scenario if a lawyer can prove he has been doing this for multiple cases.
You cannot believe ANYTHING this cop says. Did Grimes ever confess? Or did he just beat him bloody until he "confessed"? Any physical evidence the cop produces is worthless, he knows how to tamper with evidence.
what about the person who realy murdered the Girl the guy was framed for, or the Latino who really robbed the store...The Cop let two unknown people get or more away with there crimes to frame a Man guilty of 1...That cop aided many to convict one man.
Norway: rehabilatative prisons, prisoners work outside the jail and are taught life skills to ease their transition back into society. Result? Low crime rate, low recidivism rate. America: punitive prisons, no real commitment to rehabilitation. Result: high recidivism, high crime rate. But Americans want to punish, not rehabilitate. Their need for vengeance is more important to them than a safe society.
Did anyone else notice that the black lawyer in the Judges office was played by Giancarlo Esposito who also portrayed Gustavo "Gus" Fring in breaking bad?
Even if what's happening in this TV show is fake, you gotta know that the guilt that these police officers face must mess with their heads. I could never do that, just the idea of sitting on a jury makes me nervous.
I sat on a jury. Sent a guy to prison basically for life. We took a long time deliberating because either way, you wanted to be sure "beyond a reasonable doubt" and that doesn't mean any doubt. Afterward, we were informed of a lot of evidence that was not allowed in: he was definitely guilty. The amount of time we took was longer than the law clerks thought by a couple days... if we do our part, we can try to be a good part of the system.
(not in this story) I love ppl talk bout g o d then think taking action own their own is Right. No BAD cop. Pray ask forgiveness and let it b. If the guy was as bad as you think he would have got his. So u frame the guy u wanted and let the real murder go. Oh by the way the REAL murder committed 15 more cos you played BAD wrong cop. Love these shows
I know a lot of you think the system failed, but, that cop had no right to do what he did. For starters, his personal vendetta clouded his judgement, making it hard for him to think straight and use logic, like, a detective is supposed to. 2nd- When the defense gets wind of what he did, every case he worked will be tainted and every arrest he made will be voided. 3rd- His credibility will be destroyed. No one will believe him nor trust him again.
Of the killer in the case Grimms was arrested for was ALSO arrested for another Murder, I'm told they'd cover up the whole thing if it came out after the cop retired. I'd honestly prefer if the whole story were rewritten to say he wasn't guilty of that murder, but they kept him for the one he did commit.
He was found guilty of killing the girl whos blood was on the knife. and plead guilty to manslaughter for the man he killed in the beginning of the ep.
so this cops rationale for framing this guy was he wasn't innocent he got away with murder but I always thought he knew he didn't commit that murder which means somebody else did so isn't that person getting away with murder 🤔 just saying
Thats what people say when they’ve never had to deal with a situation that had nothing but awful fucked up choices. People say worthless platitudes when they have nothing else to really say.
@@Cardboardbocs the decision to frame someone for a murder you know they didn't commit isn't a situation with awful choices. Cop let a murderer get away to appease his own ego.
Honestly, I laughed out loud when he said: "Balance the scales." The 16 year old is still dead, you just caused another guilty man to go free. At best, the scales are as uneven when you beat the guy up in the first place.
And the thing is, with this cops morals, there is a high chance that the guy didn't kill the 16 year old and the cop and tried to beat a confession out of him.
That’s ridiculous. Cops who frame innocent people deserve that. This guy was a cold blooded murderer of little girls. How many do you think he would have killed in the 20 years he was not in prison?
A cop on the force told me, he keep a few knifes on him or in his locker for a rainy day,; all the cops did. Stick one in their hands, then there is a lots less paperwork to fill out. 1950's to 1980's 😃
"Law & Order" is the main TV show that single-handedly undermined rule of law in America. "Law Abiding Citizen" on the otherhand, was great, except the ending was .
"I had to balance the scales" And now every case you worked on will be called into question. How many guilty people might walk because they can claim you planted evidence on them. Every defence attorney will argue "you'd done it one, whats stopping him from doing it again. How is that balance?
Officer Daniels blames Ed for getting involved in his business. Some things should not dredge up and potentially let killers walk free on a technicality. The killer should've stayed in prison where he belonged.
"but he was arrested" uhh, that's nothing. You're literally telling an eyeball witness to not trust their "lying eyes" and believe a man is guilty because some cop put cuffs on his wrist.
"Even if Grimes didn't kill Leanne Testa... he was hardly an innocent man"... as if that excuses their attempt to enter into evidence his juvenile record, which had no bearing on his past exoneration, and the current case?
So the cop was all guilt-ridden because he was responsible for Grimms getting away with the murder of the 16-year-old so he frames him for another murder. But...well, what about the person who ACTUALLY murdered the other woman?! What happened to him?! Didn't THAT guy just get away with murder?!
I see what you mean
That's no good at all
Cops don't think that far. Unfortunately.
A lawyer saying, "Some justice is better than no justice at all.".
"Guess I'll also have to frame that guy for some other murder"
@@jamespoledna2693 at the risk of waaaaay overanalyzing a plotline to a fictional TV show :), your statement has some glaring issues imo. First, you're suggesting that getting justice for victim #1 is more important than getting justice for victim #2. (They didn't even have a chance to figure that murder out!) Second, you're suggesting that the sentence given to the framed murderer for murder #2 qualifies as justice for murder #1. Since murder #2 wasn't even really investigated, there's no way possible anyone can know that. Maybe buddy would have only gotten like 2 years for the other murder, instead of the 20 he ended up serving. Hell, maybe buddy didn't do it at all and there's a reason why he had the knife and it was a false/coerced confession. That's highly, highly unlikely but without investigating (and without a trial!), no one really knows. Third, if this happened irl, upon release the framed murderer guy would end up winning millions of dollars after suing for wrongful imprisonment and there would be tons of news stories about how he's innocent i.e. totally NOT a murderer at ALL.
There's also that ol' "the cop isn't the judge, jury and executioner" argument, but that's stupid so I'll leave well enough alone. :)
Gus was a lawyer first . It all makes sense now .
I was wondering if that was him
I was wondering if that was him
You nailed it.
God I fking love his acting
That’s him
"He was exonerated."
"Whatever."
Real servant of justice there. 🤪
Given what he knows about the murders, I'd say that response was completely acceptable. He knows the guy committed murder, and he's pissed he got out.
I see how Gus was able to understand the law so he can run his business through his restaurant
Lol!🤨🤨🤨🤨
Wow I did not recognize young gus
How did he get from that to running part of the Imperial fleet and beefing with Mando with the Darksaber?
He's as sharp as a tack.
I always pay attention to the background. I notice that in many episodes, Jack is always paying for the delivery lunch for others 🥪🌮🍕
Believe it or not, that might be based on a real life requirement. Many government/public agencies have ethics rules against lower level employees giving money to higher level. E.g. if my boss and I go out to lunch, either we can pay for our own meals or Boss can pay for my meal, but I’m not allowed to pay for Boss’s meal. It’s one of those tiny details that lends authenticity to the setting. Though if law shows wanted to add real authenticity, they’d stop implying that you can go from arrest to trial in less than a year. 🤷🏽♀️
Two coffee s. Was sarena shut out??
And some of the scenes where there is a Venetian blind in the background, the sunlight coming in you can tell is from a stage light, as the spread pattern from the slats is diverging, but if it were natural sunlight with the sun far away, the pattern would be non-diverging.
The delivery person looks at his payment as if to say "This cheap mofo didn't give me a tip."
And everytime the cops go to the persons work the boss is signing something
I love the backdrop of NYC. If you've never been, I highly recommend a visit. Especially during overcoat weather.
I’ve always wanted to go to NYC
Maybe not suggest people to go to NYC on a video about a cop show about crimes (albeit semi-fictional) in NYC
Gustavo Fring had a twin brother who rejected the cartel life to become a defense attorney in New York City.
I was just thinking that😅
Giancarlo Esposito with the superb acting!!!
At this point you kind of expect that from him. This was before he was a big star and still delivered
So because e couldn’t keep his cool and punched the guy, he got to walk for a murder, a second murder happened and he framed him, but whenever really killed him got away. Yeah...great justice logic, because once that gets out, every arrest he made will be made into question.
I thought its hard to keep your cool when your sitting across from a murderer and a pedophile and he start smoking you.I would be throwing hands with that suspect
I believe the cop thought he killed both girls.
Sounds like he did more than punch the guy, worked him over maybe.
If I were the lawyer, I would’ve looked hard at Officer Daniels. It could’ve easily been that he had more of a history with the suspect than we’re led to believe, one that would undermine the entire case of even the first murder.
I mean when you live in the same area for a long time you’ll interact with the same cops over and over. I see the same cops that have shown up to my house multiple times at my corner gas stations and I always wave hello. I guess we technically have a history since anytime I call they show up but it’s not personal
Yeah, the cop was in the wrong...but this notion that prison made him into a monster was easily debunked by the fact he was already a killer.
well but they said at the beginning, he was innocent of the murder that put him in prison, don't get me wrong I had the same thought but then that got brought up
@@warhawk9566 but the crime he was guilty of he committed before that one. He was already a killer.
@@aaronburgin1442 just say you think all crime should be punished with the death penalty you bootlicker
@@TheGodfather441 haha, sure thing "GodFather."
@@aaronburgin1442 I agree but you have to convict him on that crime..cops can't start planting evidence to get one guy meanwhile letting a new guy free
"Ah, the Reagan years" - Lenny never disappoints.
Twenty years from now they will be saying, "Ah, the Trump years."
I wonder how many cops are out there "balancing the scales" as they see fit
You give them too much credit. Baltimore police run around with bags full of BB guns to plant on people they shoot.
@@Mourtzouphlos240 In New Orleans, cops planting guns on people after a bad shoot was so common that they had a name for the gun. They called those guns ham sandwiches. Seriously.
@@mcjon77 jesus....
Balancing the scales. Hell, they’re flat out gunning down unarmed civilians
Yup,get rid of the police! Ends the protection for the criminals and frees up the people to defend themselves!
Gus was a lawyer, before moving to Albuquerque, and opening a fried chicken restaurant.
Aaaand drug dealer
At that time he was helping Mexican "friends" with legal problems
Congratulations. You just tainted every single case you worked on.
A lawyer can make an argument sure, but it's not a get out of jail free card for everyone he put away. A lawyer would actually have to prove the cop did something illegal for his other cases. There would likely be very few cases that may get a retrial if any. Its only a real nightmare scenario if a lawyer can prove he has been doing this for multiple cases.
You cannot believe ANYTHING this cop says. Did Grimes ever confess? Or did he just beat him bloody until he "confessed"?
Any physical evidence the cop produces is worthless, he knows how to tamper with evidence.
Only because he got caught
@cww2490 One case is more than enough for any judge to overturn every case the detective had. At least an our society now.
"AND PRISON ERASED HIS SENSE OF RIGHT AND WRONG?!"
Yeah I would imagine going to jail for something you didn't do would do that to ya.
he did kill a person tho
Yeah, that line was stupid. Spoken like someone that had never seen or knew what happens in prison.
But he was already a murderer BEFORE he got sent to prison for a crime he didn't commit.
@@threedragonstalk2123 Yes, the guy did deserve to be behind bars but not for the crime he was convicted of.
gus as a lawyer did not expect that!!
OBJECTION!, "I'll allow it on account of plot development"
what about the person who realy murdered the Girl the guy was framed for, or the Latino who really robbed the store...The Cop let two unknown people get or more away with there crimes to frame a Man guilty of 1...That cop aided many to convict one man.
Norway: rehabilatative prisons, prisoners work outside the jail and are taught life skills to ease their transition back into society. Result? Low crime rate, low recidivism rate.
America: punitive prisons, no real commitment to rehabilitation. Result: high recidivism, high crime rate.
But Americans want to punish, not rehabilitate. Their need for vengeance is more important to them than a safe society.
Life Skills, huh?
So it's actually more valuable to commit crimes and get free training in prison?
@@vynthiswechseln3868 than
@@salahad-din9168 eh college T_T
On one hand you have crippling debt
on the other you have free training and the candy bar you stole.
You know what they don't have in Norway?
@@vynthiswechseln3868 well, that depends. Do you want vengeance or a safer society?
An Indian Lawyer:
Practically its different from our legal system
Did anyone else notice that the black lawyer in the Judges office was played by Giancarlo Esposito who also portrayed Gustavo "Gus" Fring in breaking bad?
He was also on Homicide, Life on the Street.☺️☺️☺️
Even if what's happening in this TV show is fake, you gotta know that the guilt that these police officers face must mess with their heads. I could never do that, just the idea of sitting on a jury makes me nervous.
A lot of these storylines are taken from real cases.
@@toooldforcitylife I know.thats whats even more sad because a lot of thoses cases go unsolved 😞
I sat on a jury. Sent a guy to prison basically for life. We took a long time deliberating because either way, you wanted to be sure "beyond a reasonable doubt" and that doesn't mean any doubt. Afterward, we were informed of a lot of evidence that was not allowed in: he was definitely guilty. The amount of time we took was longer than the law clerks thought by a couple days... if we do our part, we can try to be a good part of the system.
(not in this story) I love ppl talk bout g o d then think taking action own their own is Right. No BAD cop. Pray ask forgiveness and let it b. If the guy was as bad as you think he would have got his. So u frame the guy u wanted and let the real murder go. Oh by the way the REAL murder committed 15 more cos you played BAD wrong cop. Love these shows
Giancarlo Esposito is not playing a bad guy in this scene
I think the prosecution team would disagree...:3 lol
2:56 I CALLED IT
Is that Gus from Breaking Bad?!
Yes
Except he’s Saul Goodman in this world
Giancarlo Esposito. Great actor
Gustav Fring was a lawyer in NYC????!!!!
They need to make a clip of one of the boring episodes that ends with a twelve minute summation and both closing arguments.
Quits being a lawyer and becomes a meth lord... more money in that...leaves all the lawyering stuff to Saul....
I’m all for the reason why the cop did it, but in doing so allowed another killer to walk around free
That's my issue..where does it end..by his logic he has to now get the guy he let get away
Bold of Moff Gideon to start talking law...
0:15 Is that the actor who plays Gus?
Yeah, a lot of big time actors were at least once in a Law And Order episode
The black guy is Giancarlo Esposito from Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul
and everything else!!!
Ahh, once upon a time Gus Fring was a lawyer.
I see what you did there. 😉
0:11 When I heard that voice 😁😁
I know a lot of you think the system failed, but, that cop had no right to do what he did. For starters, his personal vendetta clouded his judgement, making it hard for him to think straight and use logic, like, a detective is supposed to. 2nd- When the defense gets wind of what he did, every case he worked will be tainted and every arrest he made will be voided. 3rd- His credibility will be destroyed. No one will believe him nor trust him again.
Yeah true, but the system did fail as well
Nice video
Of the killer in the case Grimms was arrested for was ALSO arrested for another Murder, I'm told they'd cover up the whole thing if it came out after the cop retired. I'd honestly prefer if the whole story were rewritten to say he wasn't guilty of that murder, but they kept him for the one he did commit.
Anyone wanna spoil this episode for me, it’d be very appreciated :)
He was found guilty of killing the girl whos blood was on the knife. and plead guilty to manslaughter for the man he killed in the beginning of the ep.
@@Shorty4454 was the cop arrested for anything?
@@jacksonfuller8158 forced into early retirement
@@Shorty4454 thanks heaps you legend!
I could see the manslaughter charge.....but cops beating and planting evidence would have been a gold mine for an acquit.
When you step on a butterfly in the past and now we watch "Better Call Gus"
Every clip I click on there's a new popular actor to find
Took me a few seconds to realize the other lawyer was Giancarlo Esposito lmao
This is kinda funny. All that the cops achieve is that they establish a pattern of the police trying to frame this man.
Jacks a good actor I wonder if he's really a lawyer.
I wonder what happened in gus' life to make such a drastic career change
so this cops rationale for framing this guy was he wasn't innocent he got away with murder but I always thought he knew he didn't commit that murder which means somebody else did so isn't that person getting away with murder 🤔 just saying
he never heard "Two wrongs don't make a right" apparently.
Thats what people say when they’ve never had to deal with a situation that had nothing but awful fucked up choices. People say worthless platitudes when they have nothing else to really say.
@@Cardboardbocs the decision to frame someone for a murder you know they didn't commit isn't a situation with awful choices. Cop let a murderer get away to appease his own ego.
Cops like Kenny Daniels do exist
There’s a pun there at the end: “I had to balance the skels.”
Ed should of put the cuffs on Daniels and let him serve 20 years
Honestly, I laughed out loud when he said: "Balance the scales." The 16 year old is still dead, you just caused another guilty man to go free. At best, the scales are as uneven when you beat the guy up in the first place.
And the thing is, with this cops morals, there is a high chance that the guy didn't kill the 16 year old and the cop and tried to beat a confession out of him.
Hold on am I crazy or is that Gus fring?
8:50
That music starts
This cop actions were no better than than suspect. He deserves 25- life
That’s ridiculous. Cops who frame innocent people deserve that. This guy was a cold blooded murderer of little girls. How many do you think he would have killed in the 20 years he was not in prison?
Everyone is responsible for their own choices regardless as to whether they acknowledge that or not
Truth
That first compromise of your ethics makes the next one easier. Before you know it, you can justify anything. Many such cases.
Gus worked in sal’s office for a summer as an intern. He chose a different carrier in the food industry.
That guy looked like the son of the police chief from homicide life on the streets
16 going on 12? Like mentally?
Like 'innocent'
Yes, but not in the sense that they had a mental disorder, just that they weren't as mature as a 16 year old would be.
Elizabeth Rohm is so hot.
She was the hottest of all the female DA
A cop on the force told me, he keep a few knifes on him or in his locker for a rainy day,; all the cops did. Stick one in their hands, then there is a lots less paperwork to fill out. 1950's to 1980's 😃
What happened to the pretzel?
Definitely pocketed at some point. Then it became a concealed pretzel. Possibly in his pretzel holster.
guilty until proved guilty
Italian King Giancarlo Esposito.
PTSD it's not just for some people we like.
"Law & Order" is the main TV show that single-handedly undermined rule of law in America. "Law Abiding Citizen" on the otherhand, was great, except the ending was .
GREENE HAVEN, where ?? in NEW YORK, ok thanks Jack
An old ratta, is that the reputation you want to leave behind?
Gus!
The good guys were so bad in this episode
I have no problem with this
Moff Gideon practices law!
I didn’t know Aladdin was in this show lol
Gus Fring was a defense attorney?
Come up new season 21
GUS? GUS!!!!!!!
Is that Moff Gideon?
So we just gonna believe this cop who lied lied and lied. cop needs to be in prison himself
30!!!!!!!!!! YYYYYEEEAH!!!!
Gus fring what are you doing here?
that black guy is on far cry 6 as the Enemy I like that guy on movies.
Don’t F with Gus Fring…
R. M. C
Giancarlo Esposito has played the same character his entire career 😅
Les miserables?
Gus!!!
The female prosecutor could be Laura Linney’s sister.
gus fring!!!
Gus is the OG johnny sins
"She was 16 going on 12" You might wanna redo math class, sir.
2:13 Sounds like textbook constant harassment by cops.
"I had to balance the scales"
And now every case you worked on will be called into question. How many guilty people might walk because they can claim you planted evidence on them. Every defence attorney will argue "you'd done it one, whats stopping him from doing it again. How is that balance?
The cop truly believed he was responsible for that murder, I don’t see his actions as morally reprehensible.
Officer Daniels blames Ed for getting involved in his business. Some things should not dredge up and potentially let killers walk free on a technicality. The killer should've stayed in prison where he belonged.
"but he was arrested" uhh, that's nothing. You're literally telling an eyeball witness to not trust their "lying eyes" and believe a man is guilty because some cop put cuffs on his wrist.
Unsealing juvenile records?!!? isnt that mad sketch???!🤔
"Even if Grimes didn't kill Leanne Testa... he was hardly an innocent man"... as if that excuses their attempt to enter into evidence his juvenile record, which had no bearing on his past exoneration, and the current case?
What is the point of minor sealed records if judges just open them. Once they are sealed, get rid of them.
Seriously this is so fd up? 'he may not have been guilty of this crime but he was not innocent' embarrassing episode of law and order