Paxton Products was on Olympic Blvd. in Santa Monica,Ca., and there'd always be an Avanti or Hawk in the service driveway. Granatelli Racing had engine stands out in their driveway, and the Indy 500 Novi engines were so loud the local HS teachers at Samohi complained to the city council (pre-1965). My dad was friends with Andy, Joe, and Vince. Joe was the friendliest of the brothers - he broke out a pit bike for the local kids to ride one day. Paxton also had a US Navy contract on components for US attack subs.
One of my high school teachers had a golden hawk, loved that car, then the Advanti came out and something about the exhaust tone made me fall in love with that. Yeah you can tell I'm old LOL,
I love that old Studebaker - but then, I am a sadist when it comes to cars. Very cool car nonetheless - and worth the effort. Merry Christmas and God bless you and yours, Jamie! - Ed on the Ridge
Jamie , I like your channel , two of my love mopars and Studebakers, my grandfather had a Studebaker dealership in Hamilton Ontario Canada, and he sold the first 1948 Studebaker Champion produced at Hamilton Ontario plant.
Hmm, lots of good stuff in this video! The brake conversion inspires me to consider doing something like that with my 56 Dodge pickup. And that Stude is really sounding good, especially with the whine from the supercharger. I also noticed a 64 Ford Galaxie 2dr, and it looks a lot like the one my dad bought brand new back in late 1963. I actually remember it, a 390 4 speed car. And I am interested in the tractor - nothing handier than a tractor with a loader. I have an older Bobcat skidsteer with a Ford 4cyl gas engine, and I wouldn't live without it.
I’m using the crap out of that tractor! I’ve needed one for years now. Very pleased. Yes, it’s a Galaxie 500 XL. I started a video… and totally failed to get it running. Not even in a fun and exciting way really. Don’t know that I will ever release it.
Hi Jamie, I am in the process of getting together all the necessary parts to install disc brakes on my GT Hawk and will be getting the master cylinder mount kit from Turner as well. However, it's always fun to watch someone else do it first. Saves on some headaches. My Hawk has power brakes with auto trans and an immense remote vacuum booster (non-standard). So, now I need to figure out how to bleed them especially since I have to make sure only the front brakes are powered (not the rears).
I know all OE's hire people to drive new cars around to seat the brakes like that too. That's why there is so much traffic in Detroit, uh, Mexico. I really enjoy your channel. Keep up the great work!
As much as I like stock and original, when it comes to safety this is a no brainer. Most cars are meant to be driven, and as such they require a reliable braking system. Because anchors are heavy.
For those General Motors front calipers they have bleeder screws with check balls in them so all you got to do is crack them loose a little bit and you can just pump right through them and be the only person there
Nice job, brother.. I have to say, in all of the uncountable brake jobs I've watched on YT, you are the VERY FIRST to properly squeeze the tangs on the outer brake pads!!!!!!! For this, YOU WIN !!!!!!! Well, ya don't get really anything more than my respect for showing the people a PROPER BRAKE JOB!!!!! lol.... Good stuff as allllways.. Merry Christmas and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!
Your perpetual overall despondency and O’er reaching soul-killing woebegone-ness is truly refreshing in this modern age of general manic upbeatness.. Keep up the melancholyness. Yours in despair, Joe in Montreal. Ask me how I know. I have a 53 commander.
Paused @5:14. It's funny how Dan @DD SPEED SHOP shows the same exact washer spacing conundrum. Except it's on his tri5 Chevys and Nomads. Hmmmm... Coincidence?
Really like those old Studebakers. Side note, my first job was working on mail trucks.don't know what they are like now but back then they were like a box of chocolate you just never knew who supplied the parts from one rig to another.
These LLVs are essentially all S10 chassis and drivetrain. It’s the same failures again and again. They all vibrate and drive horribly. Other than that… well, at least they’re pretty easy to work on.
Had no idea you had done studebaker videos. lol.. I found this car with original Canadian Pontiac 283 engine.. came with lots of restoration parts including the disc conversion kit. Thanks Jamie!!
Very informative! I's kinda wild with all that stuff they put outside of the body. Question about ramp trucks/haulers, I remember you said you were planning one from a bus. How does one determine the weight capacity of the frame for that application? I had an idea of a hauler to carry 2 cars, but the style of Don Prudhomme's 1967 yellow Dodge ramp truck. BTW, he got that truck from Richard Petty for those who didn't know.
That’s exactly the style I have in mind! It’s a motorhome chassis, and I’m sure there is some science that can be done to figure out capacity. It would’ve had a factory rating I’m sure. I’m planning on a single car hauler with tool boxes and such. It’ll be fiiiiine for my purposes.
I thought that the size of the rails was the main thing determining capacity, but I am not sure where I got that idea. Requires more research. I keep looking for information of what what stored where in that truck, like in that big overhead, and never see much revealed. @@DeadDodgeGarage
Is there enough room where the brake pedal linkage mounts (or further up which we didn't see) to change the lever ratio enough to 'meaningfully' reduce pedal effort by increasing pedal travel?
4:26 Or if you are me, you have the dual cone wheel bearing packing tool, not so messy with forced in grease with a grease gun. 10:33 Looks like you could whack a bigger hole in your floor.
I really don’t like those handy packer things. I prefer to do it the old fashioned way. Oh sure, we could put a bigger hole in the floor and fabricate a new cover for it, and then all you’d have to do to check the brake fluid is remove all of the carpet and a cover! No thanks, I’ll stick with the reservoir they include with the kit.
@@DeadDodgeGarage There's no carpet in my '51 Bullet Nose, just a rubber mat, easy access. I really like your video and off the wall commenting. Thanks
Normally , I'd be against the , disc brakes conversion but , since drum parts are almost unobtainium & outrageously expensive . I'm interested in seeing this swap 🙏🔩⚙ Your review is .... errr... umm... "Brutally honest" I suddenly have a greater appreciation for modern brake master cylinder, mounting location and bleeding procedures Oh Dude , same !! Sometimes I forget what shop tools we have too 😂 Hahahahaha 😂 I was waiting for you to mention that bracket ...LMAO #Studebaker
I have a question about the grease track adapter. When you heat it up and you put it on the spindle does it go all the way flush against the back of the spindle or is there a little spacing? I tried putting mine on and there seems to be 2/8" space behind there. Please answer. This is holding up my project. Thanks
Hi I have another question. I was just doing this brake work over the weekend. The axle nut goes all the way to the end. If I put a second washer on I still won't be able to put the nut on and lock it in with a cotter pin. Where did you get that extra? Nothing of a jig did it come in your kit cuz mine does not have that. Where can I get one of those those? Thanks!
Hmmm, seems as though Studebaker knew how to make their vehicles move, but at the last second they realized the drivers would be faced with stop 🛑 lights. Must have been a last ditch effort to figure out how to stop the car. You have to pull up sections of the floor to fill the brake master reservoir 😊
I take it Avanti disc brakes are not an option, or a more expensive one? I'm thinking they came standard with them. Guess I COULD google it. God, I'm lazy.
So… if someone were to hire you to do the brake job, what would you charge? (If you don’t want to post that it’s fine) I asked two different shops where I live and neither wanted to take the job on. I’m willing to try it myself but I don’t want to endanger everyone else on the road if I do something wrong
I don’t actually know that I would like to do this again. And it’s been long enough that I can’t remember how long it took me. Fitting and plumbing the master cylinder under the floor was the worst part. But I’m going to randomly guess $1000-$1500.
More front brake bias! The discs need more pressure to for the same amount of braking force, and the front wheels should be doing most of the braking (weight transfer and all). You _could_ fab up a new bellcrank for the brake pedal to increase it's leverage on the master... but really, how much effort are we talking about?
Right. That is the point of the adjustable valve. And - a modified bell crank could indeed be a great solution. But the amount of space is limited, the setup is already pointlessly nonsensical, and at the end of the day, it doesn’t really feel any worse than the drums did as far as pedal effort. So I’m going to leave it be.
106 year old canoe engine, actually! It’s an Arrow/Waterman K-1. It originally would’ve lived in a funky outboard engine assembly. They also ganged together 2 or 4 of them in an inboard / outdrive configuration. Apparently the engines were also used for fire pumps.
Would you like me to send you a bearing packer for Christmas?? They relieve a lot of ball-ache. I can think of other items that would also relieve ball ache but, unfortunately I deal in Auto Parts & Tools. Re: The Wheels. Don't you think a 1/4" spacer would have alleviated those contact issues better than, y'know.... taking a grinder to the caliper?? Don't get me wrong, I had to adjust a caliper on my own truck once to make room for mag wheels.... but.... I had to take off casting flash, not cut into the body of the caliper. I'm sure what you've done here probably looks worse than it really is. ***Edit *** I posted this like.... a minute before you mentioned the same thing in the video. That's weird that kit would come with a master cylinder with a removable lid, that has the side drilled & tapped for a fitting for a remote reservoir. I can think of half a dozen master cylinders off the top of my head that are actually designed specifically FOR a remote reservoir. It just seems like a band-aid kind of fix to me. Reminds me of my old '74 Javelin. They came standard with MANUAL Disc/Drum setup. I always wanted to add a power booster but good luck finding one. People would ask to borrow the car about once. Then they would never want to drive the car again. Sure the brakes worked fine, but that car had the stiffest brake pedal I've ever encountered. Today, I have a '73 Javelin/AMX with POWER Disc/Drum. It's like stepping on a marshmallow; but it will haul you down from 90 in a heartbeat. God Bless Kelsey-Hayes.
Paxton Products was on Olympic Blvd. in Santa Monica,Ca., and there'd always be an Avanti or Hawk in the service driveway. Granatelli Racing had engine stands out in their driveway, and the Indy 500 Novi engines were so loud the local HS teachers at Samohi complained to the city council (pre-1965). My dad was friends with Andy, Joe, and Vince. Joe was the friendliest of the brothers - he broke out a pit bike for the local kids to ride one day. Paxton also had a US Navy contract on components for US attack subs.
One of my high school teachers had a golden hawk, loved that car, then the Advanti came out and something about the exhaust tone made me fall in love with that. Yeah you can tell I'm old LOL,
your show is the onlyone i dont skip around on.an warch all the way threw
I love that old Studebaker - but then, I am a sadist when it comes to cars.
Very cool car nonetheless - and worth the effort.
Merry Christmas and God bless you and yours, Jamie!
- Ed on the Ridge
Merry Christmas, Ed!
Jamie , I like your channel , two of my love mopars and Studebakers, my grandfather had a Studebaker dealership in Hamilton Ontario Canada, and he sold the first 1948 Studebaker Champion produced at Hamilton Ontario plant.
Who doesn't love a Stude? Disc brakes are good. Dual piston brake cylinders are good. A fine upgrade to any car which is to be driven.
Cars with STYLE! Who would have thought!?
Hmm, lots of good stuff in this video! The brake conversion inspires me to consider doing something like that with my 56 Dodge pickup. And that Stude is really sounding good, especially with the whine from the supercharger. I also noticed a 64 Ford Galaxie 2dr, and it looks a lot like the one my dad bought brand new back in late 1963. I actually remember it, a 390 4 speed car. And I am interested in the tractor - nothing handier than a tractor with a loader. I have an older Bobcat skidsteer with a Ford 4cyl gas engine, and I wouldn't live without it.
I’m using the crap out of that tractor! I’ve needed one for years now. Very pleased. Yes, it’s a Galaxie 500 XL. I started a video… and totally failed to get it running. Not even in a fun and exciting way really. Don’t know that I will ever release it.
That car doesn't look like it should sound like that. I like it!!
I really like watching your stuff it brings me back to my old stock car days thank you I will keep watching
Hi Jamie,
I am in the process of getting together all the necessary parts to install disc brakes on my GT Hawk and will be getting the master cylinder mount kit from Turner as well. However, it's always fun to watch someone else do it first. Saves on some headaches. My Hawk has power brakes with auto trans and an immense remote vacuum booster (non-standard). So, now I need to figure out how to bleed them especially since I have to make sure only the front brakes are powered (not the rears).
That car has style and substance.
Great job.
Welcome to dead Studebaker garage. I really enjoy your videos on this car
Jim Turner isn't the only one selling disc brake conversion kits, but he is the best!
Interesting brake kit....good content...thank you.
I know all OE's hire people to drive new cars around to seat the brakes like that too. That's why there is so much traffic in Detroit, uh, Mexico. I really enjoy your channel. Keep up the great work!
I’d expect them to use a rolling road or a private track or something for any of that kind of thing. Something about license plates, I dunno
As much as I like stock and original, when it comes to safety this is a no brainer. Most cars are meant to be driven, and as such they require a reliable braking system. Because anchors are heavy.
I agree, but this isn’t the only way to get reliable brakes. The original drums with all parts in good working order could be quite reliable.
For those General Motors front calipers they have bleeder screws with check balls in them so all you got to do is crack them loose a little bit and you can just pump right through them and be the only person there
I certainly could get some. I’ve never done so before, but I know they’re out there. Gravity usually works - just not in this case.
Nice job, brother.. I have to say, in all of the uncountable brake jobs I've watched on YT, you are the VERY FIRST to properly squeeze the tangs on the outer brake pads!!!!!!! For this, YOU WIN !!!!!!! Well, ya don't get really anything more than my respect for showing the people a PROPER BRAKE JOB!!!!! lol.... Good stuff as allllways.. Merry Christmas and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!
Works for me. Haha. Merry Christmas to you as well!
Heh, I do like those Hawks. Something I might drive if I found myself displaced in time. :)
I have to do this job to my Hawk so I’m VERY glad I could see it done first. Thank you for posting this!
You bet!
Another fine educational video.Great Job !
Love that ole rudey-Stude....
The Stude is back! Once it's all sorted out, it's gonna be a fun ride for sure. Disc brakes will definitely help the cause.
Wow another great Studebaker video! Thanks so much Jamie, Merry Christmas to you and your family!
Good job J.
So love the looks of this - not keen on the underfloor master - strange concept
Great work every time
I really love this Studebaker it reminds me of a lot of girlfriends I've had a lot of time and work in progress but can definitely be worth it
Your perpetual overall despondency and O’er reaching soul-killing woebegone-ness is truly refreshing in this modern age of general manic upbeatness..
Keep up the melancholyness.
Yours in despair, Joe in Montreal.
Ask me how I know.
I have a 53 commander.
I *refuse* to be manically upbeat. Thank you.
I applaud your choice.
And I’m enjoying your channel immensely..
Awesome car.
Gotta love the whine of that blower. Merry Christmas, Jamie. 🎄
Paused @5:14. It's funny how Dan @DD SPEED SHOP shows the same exact washer spacing conundrum. Except it's on his tri5 Chevys and Nomads. Hmmmm... Coincidence?
Coincidence?! Yeah, probably 😅
Really like those old Studebakers. Side note, my first job was working on mail trucks.don't know what they are like now but back then they were like a box of chocolate you just never knew who supplied the parts from one rig to another.
These LLVs are essentially all S10 chassis and drivetrain. It’s the same failures again and again. They all vibrate and drive horribly. Other than that… well, at least they’re pretty easy to work on.
That was extremely informative! Now I feel much more comfortable about doing this to my Valiant.
It’s way easier on the Valiant, too.
Only those of us that have been brakeless can really appreciate brakes :-)
Ima mopar girl but absolutely love this car ❤
Merry Christmas 😊
Definitely a cool car
4mm wheels spacers worked on my 51 Plymouth to move the wheel enough to clear the calipers.
Well biscuits and gravy! 😂😂😂😂 Implies Serious putty
Serious putty is also known by its technical name C-4.
Oddly, that old master cylinder is the same one Harley used, back in the day, for the Servicar! (I know, I have one and had to replace the master).
Looks great. Yes 1/4” spacer was way easier than grinding ! I have 65 commander. Same set up!
Had no idea you had done studebaker videos. lol.. I found this car with original Canadian Pontiac 283 engine.. came with lots of restoration parts including the disc conversion kit. Thanks Jamie!!
Love that Studebaker!
You should really invest in a small tubing cutter for those wonderful tigjt spots. You can keep it with your flaring tool so you cant find it again.
I have one. It was formerly with my other flaring tool. Couldn’t find the damn thing…
Very informative! I's kinda wild with all that stuff they put outside of the body.
Question about ramp trucks/haulers, I remember you said you were planning one from a bus. How does one determine the weight capacity of the frame for that application?
I had an idea of a hauler to carry 2 cars, but the style of Don Prudhomme's 1967 yellow Dodge ramp truck. BTW, he got that truck from Richard Petty for those who didn't know.
That’s exactly the style I have in mind! It’s a motorhome chassis, and I’m sure there is some science that can be done to figure out capacity. It would’ve had a factory rating I’m sure. I’m planning on a single car hauler with tool boxes and such. It’ll be fiiiiine for my purposes.
I thought that the size of the rails was the main thing determining capacity, but I am not sure where I got that idea. Requires more research. I keep looking for information of what what stored where in that truck, like in that big overhead, and never see much revealed. @@DeadDodgeGarage
Sounds good Jamie
Where did the master cylinder kit come from...I need to install one on my 55 Commander to add rear disc brakes??
Heart: A Magic Man
Cool video. I think that car is almost a mascot. Lol. I was also the "426th" one to like the video...
Nailed it!
I will be doing this to my 64 Studebaker Daytona very soon.
Is there enough room where the brake pedal linkage mounts (or further up which we didn't see) to change the lever ratio enough to 'meaningfully' reduce pedal effort by increasing pedal travel?
Not really… I did consider this.
4:26 Or if you are me, you have the dual cone wheel bearing packing tool, not so messy with forced in grease with a grease gun. 10:33 Looks like you could whack a bigger hole in your floor.
I really don’t like those handy packer things. I prefer to do it the old fashioned way. Oh sure, we could put a bigger hole in the floor and fabricate a new cover for it, and then all you’d have to do to check the brake fluid is remove all of the carpet and a cover! No thanks, I’ll stick with the reservoir they include with the kit.
@@DeadDodgeGarage There's no carpet in my '51 Bullet Nose, just a rubber mat, easy access. I really like your video and off the wall commenting. Thanks
Thanks
Normally , I'd be against the , disc brakes conversion but , since drum parts are almost unobtainium & outrageously expensive .
I'm interested in seeing this swap
🙏🔩⚙
Your review is .... errr... umm...
"Brutally honest"
I suddenly have a greater appreciation for modern brake master cylinder, mounting location
and bleeding procedures
Oh Dude , same !!
Sometimes I forget what shop tools we have too 😂
Hahahahaha 😂
I was waiting for you to
mention that bracket ...LMAO
#Studebaker
Are we going to see brake testing next episode? I hope so........🙂
Absolutely! Although I did test them in this video a handful of times.
@@DeadDodgeGarage True, but I'm talking about brake pedal to the floor, locking up the front brakes, and the proportioning valve adjustment process.
Me, Cousteaun bets a drum drum is cheaper than a disk but my Grey matter Saya your disc American Made?
I’m confused.
I have a question about the grease track adapter. When you heat it up and you put it on the spindle does it go all the way flush against the back of the spindle or is there a little spacing? I tried putting mine on and there seems to be 2/8" space behind there. Please answer. This is holding up my project. Thanks
When I installed these, they appeared to be flush.
Thanks@@DeadDodgeGarage
Hi I have another question. I was just doing this brake work over the weekend. The axle nut goes all the way to the end. If I put a second washer on I still won't be able to put the nut on and lock it in with a cotter pin. Where did you get that extra? Nothing of a jig did it come in your kit cuz mine does not have that. Where can I get one of those those? Thanks!
Hmmm, seems as though Studebaker knew how to make their vehicles move, but at the last second they realized the drivers would be faced with stop 🛑 lights. Must have been a last ditch effort to figure out how to stop the car. You have to pull up sections of the floor to fill the brake master reservoir 😊
That was kinda the way for everybody way back in the bad old days - but Studebaker stuck with it… until the 60s… very archaic by that time.
I think you should add a hydroboost, just to make sure it works!
There really isn’t anywhere to mount one…
Hell yeah sounds good
Bill tell the DDG group on Sunday(?) Night about the (?)pin front end and the shielded driveshaft "thingie"??
I’m still confused. What driveshaft thingie?
I take it Avanti disc brakes are not an option, or a more expensive one? I'm thinking they came standard with them. Guess I COULD google it. God, I'm lazy.
There are multiple references to Avanti disk brakes in the instructions, but I’m guessing these parts are used due to a much lower cost.
So… if someone were to hire you to do the brake job, what would you charge? (If you don’t want to post that it’s fine) I asked two different shops where I live and neither wanted to take the job on. I’m willing to try it myself but I don’t want to endanger everyone else on the road if I do something wrong
I don’t actually know that I would like to do this again. And it’s been long enough that I can’t remember how long it took me. Fitting and plumbing the master cylinder under the floor was the worst part. But I’m going to randomly guess $1000-$1500.
I must say that this video was more educational than most. Now I know the next time that I smash my finger, it is the stupid one, not me! 🙂
More front brake bias!
The discs need more pressure to for the same amount of braking force, and the front wheels should be doing most of the braking (weight transfer and all).
You _could_ fab up a new bellcrank for the brake pedal to increase it's leverage on the master... but really, how much effort are we talking about?
Right. That is the point of the adjustable valve. And - a modified bell crank could indeed be a great solution. But the amount of space is limited, the setup is already pointlessly nonsensical, and at the end of the day, it doesn’t really feel any worse than the drums did as far as pedal effort. So I’m going to leave it be.
100 year old canoe engine?
106 year old canoe engine, actually! It’s an Arrow/Waterman K-1. It originally would’ve lived in a funky outboard engine assembly. They also ganged together 2 or 4 of them in an inboard / outdrive configuration. Apparently the engines were also used for fire pumps.
Studebraker
Oh yeah Ford Ranger wheels work well with these Studes unless you want the original narrow wheels
Incidentally, Chrysler steel wheels are also a classic upgrade.
Also, I believe that serious putty is called C4
So I’ve learned!
I thought it was "Bondo".
🍺
Serious putty is C-4.......tested and approved...
I learned that in the comments here 😅 I think I might need to test that for myself some day.
Would you like me to send you a bearing packer for Christmas?? They relieve a lot of ball-ache. I can think of other items that would also relieve ball ache but, unfortunately I deal in Auto Parts & Tools.
Re: The Wheels. Don't you think a 1/4" spacer would have alleviated those contact issues better than, y'know.... taking a grinder to the caliper?? Don't get me wrong, I had to adjust a caliper on my own truck once to make room for mag wheels.... but.... I had to take off casting flash, not cut into the body of the caliper. I'm sure what you've done here probably looks worse than it really is.
***Edit *** I posted this like.... a minute before you mentioned the same thing in the video.
That's weird that kit would come with a master cylinder with a removable lid, that has the side drilled & tapped for a fitting for a remote reservoir. I can think of half a dozen master cylinders off the top of my head that are actually designed specifically FOR a remote reservoir. It just seems like a band-aid kind of fix to me.
Reminds me of my old '74 Javelin. They came standard with MANUAL Disc/Drum setup. I always wanted to add a power booster but good luck finding one. People would ask to borrow the car about once. Then they would never want to drive the car again. Sure the brakes worked fine, but that car had the stiffest brake pedal I've ever encountered. Today, I have a '73 Javelin/AMX with POWER Disc/Drum. It's like stepping on a marshmallow; but it will haul you down from 90 in a heartbeat. God Bless Kelsey-Hayes.
Haaahaha. I have one somewhere. Never liked it.
@@DeadDodgeGarage I'm shocked and appalled. 😂
Lol I think we've all seen cars with some serious putty on them. 😁
Time to get a bearing packer.
I prefer the old fashioned way. At least with gloves on.
I have one of those, and they do work good, but are almost as messy as the old bearing-in-hand method.
Burnishing the brakes is another term.
Zerk the dust cap
Not a bad idea, but I don’t see much point in it. No one will ever use it…
@@DeadDodgeGarage 🤣
Serious putty... equals... C4... 🙂
So I’ve heard! 😅
@@DeadDodgeGarage Boom...
C4 is serious putty.
Damn right!
c4 is very serious putty...
,, how could you get
Distracted by your
Neighbor? I can't
Beleave there is even
A 5 In that area
Yes!
I’m so confused
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