British Armour did not use HEAT rounds but had HESH rounds High-Explosive Squash Head for the L11 guns. I am not sure the Chieftain models are correct they are mk11 but with the stillbrew Armour which my Regiment never had up to the point we switched to Challenger 1 in 1989 or so. Cheers
More Decks :D Love these deck vids, especially for Warno with these gorgeous models. The British Armoured Vehicles of this era are some of my favourite looking, from the Chieftain Tanks to the smaller vehicles like Saracens and Scorpions. Just so many cool looking things. Looking forward to the French Deck video too, they also have some very interesting units.
The fox in the recon tab is bad (in my opinion) because it has only 150l of fuel and on some maps he run out of fuel when arriving on the frontline. Also it's always a pleasure to watch your vids.
I have one objection to the infantry models: The L85A1 is depicted solely with the iron sights/carrying handle, a configuration that was only issued to support troops, whereas actual combat infantry were issued with the 4 power SUSAT scope for their rifles.
Weird that all the infantry tab was listed as poor quality (excluding the atgm crews). Not sure how that scans given the generally high quality of British infantry during this period... Edit: just got to the recon tab and the SAS are listed as poor quality at full vet.
I think this was meant to be an armor focused formation, thus the basic options for infantry and recon. I'd imagine an infantry/airborne focused division will come with more high quality options in the ground troop category.
Both British first line Armoured Divisions had access to a regiment of M107 175mm SP artillery, provided by the Corps artillery, is it coming to the Division or is it omitted for some reason? By the look of the model the TOGS (Thermal sight) on the right hand side of the Chieftain turret is open, so im guessing the idea with the mk11 having the longer range over the mk9 is that the mk11 has thermal sights fitted where the mk9 does not, 20 points for a thermal sight that doesnt effect optics but does effect gun range....? You mention HEAT a few times, obvs British tanks only carry HESH not HEAT so guessing it wouldnt have HEAT ammo as it works ingame Not sure why 1st ArmDiv gets Fox recon cars? I dont think they had those, only the Royal Yeomanry units in the 2nd Infantry Division had them And its a big shame they didnt capitalise on the 1stArmDiv having the PRG (Parachute Regiment Group) in their deployment zone in Germany to give the Division some ATGM heavy Para units
I wish there was a way to add camuflaje netting and vegetation’s as makeshift camouflage for vehicles the way they do in real life. It would be merely aesthetic, but it would add more immersion into this game
Nice. This patch added my fav Armored Warfare PVP vehicles (Fox and VBL) Also I think the Brits in Red Dragon has HESH rounds iirc. Not sure if Eugen will have those special rounds in Warno in the future. I hope they will add those into the game.
There were no "specialized" ammunition types in Wargame, and there is none here either. The game assumes that the vehicle is firing whatever ammo is the most appropriate for the target - so if a tank is firing at a vehicle, it uses APFSDS, or HEAT, or HESH. If the tank is firing at infantry, it's assumed it's using HE shells and so on.
M60's will be replaced in a coming update, they are a placeholder for now. Not sure if they'll change how the L85's are held, but they will get the SUSAT scopes.
@@studentaviator3756 Maybe the Carg Gustavs should, I dunno, FIRE HE LIKE THEY'RE MEANT TO. Have Eugen completely forgotten that the Carl Gustav is a fire support weapon first and foremost and not a dedicated AT weapon? They're assault engineers for crying out loud, shouldn't bunker busting and the like be what the squad is configured to do?
@@Paveway-chan Wouldn't that potentially cause the soviet side to demand he rounds too for their rpgs. Wouldnt that make a unit that can kill tanks and infantry a bit op. I mean in wargame red dragon the specialist carl g squads where really op. Potentially a difficult thing to balance.
Challenger 1 mk1 had same frontal armour as the Leopard 2A4 and same front turret armour as the T-80U. The Leopard 2A4 shouldn't have armour 20. Should be 19. The Leopard 2A3 had armour similiar to the Chieftain mk9/10 so shouldn't have armour 19. The infantry being kind of average was a surprise. Given how well trained they were. Given the basic rifles of course who seem pretty decent with two LSW's and good 20ap AT launchers. The SAS wouldn't use Mp5's and second rate Law's. Pretty stupid tbh. Made them almost useless. Not worth using yet over the other recon infantry options. Biggest weakness of the Brits is low option of AA (like no SPAAG'S) & weak anti infantry - infantry options. But besides my little gripes about other comparable tanks and infantry options it's a good deck.
The rapier is fantastic. 3100 meters fire and forget against helicopters is great mate. And the infantry is pretty good too. Standard infantry sqaud is 8 guys too lmg and a 20 ap 800 meter law. Tbh that's really competitive, imo.
@@studentaviator3756 The rapier is a good piece of kit. Especially not having to worry about SEAD given this version isn't radar guided. I think the range vs helicopters is 3000m an 2825m for other air assets. I think its good but lacking any long range is a weakness. Kind of how the British forces wanted to operate I suppose. The infantry are kind of lack luster. The warriors are great, rifles with LAW80 are great and their recon in with the same LAW80 are great. But everything else is bad. Oddly the armoured rifle squad of 7 men with the weak m72 law (AP13) an one less person than the none armoured files costs the same.... Lol The SAS are bad too, equipped with Mp5's which they'd not use. They are mainly counter terrorism weapons. They'd use the Canadian version of the M4 silenced in a Cold war gone hot scenario. I think giving the Brits infantry a card extra of scouts with the LAW80, changing the load out of the SAS or make them a bit cheaper an maybe a card if more assault like infantry would be good. Say even a card of airmobile infantry or paras. With how overly effective artillery is now a force like Britian having slower battles with infantry due to them not having flamethrowers kwhich they shouldn't) then they get beaten heavily.
@@BroadHobbyProjects So imo an anti heli aa piece is more important than anti air. helicopters require ground based aa to kill aircraft can be dealt with asf. I think if the warrior infantry had law 80s it would be really op. you could zerg rush anyone with good ifvs and anti armour infantry and tear everyone too pieces. so i think they had to do it that way. the sas, yes i think its highly unlikely they'd use mp5s but they would of almost certainly used m16a1s and m16a2s. Just look at falkland conflict and desert storm. they are all using american m16 rifles not C7/C8.
@@studentaviator3756 The Soviets do the BMP rush rather well. Lol The Warrior doesn't have a stabiliser so the accuracy on the move is pretty garbage for assaults. Unless using the infantry & mortars to pin the opposing infantry down then select "hunt" behind the enemy lines so the warriors stop & shoot their way through the weakened infantry. That does the trick. An my bad yeah they didn't adopt the Canadian version rfiles until the late 90's. The idea during the Cold War was to use the SAS to seek out & destroy expected Spetz that the Soviets planned flooding the rear areas of NATO forces with. From what I've read & heard anyways. So they should be better equipped for wiping out infantry with light AT (which they have) for likely compromised civilian vehicles used by the Septz infiltration units.
@@BroadHobbyProjects my opinion is the 1st armoured division would have some sas guys but not that much. I think mp5 isn't correct. But m72 makes sense law 80 and and Carl g would be heavy. Maybe the sas should have stingers like wargame red dragon xD
They still haven’t made the deck building screen more user friendly!? So sad … half the fun is in building decks so they have effectively made half the game annoying now compared to how easy it is to build decks and actually SEE activation slots available for everything. Basic stuff. Disappointing as I was kind of looking forward to playing WARNO again in a few months :(
the camo excuse only made convinced they are one of the laziest devs around . all their games take place in summer . they focus all of balancing and more decks rather than trying to make the game feel as great as world in conflict by adding atmosphere and weather and real moving clouds etc .... . game is great , but it feels the laziest of the bunch .
The divisions are already out! Much sooner than expected. As a heads up, this was recorded beforehand.
British Armour did not use HEAT rounds but had HESH rounds High-Explosive Squash Head for the L11 guns. I am not sure the Chieftain models are correct they are mk11 but with the stillbrew Armour which my Regiment never had up to the point we switched to Challenger 1 in 1989 or so. Cheers
This game is supposed to take place in 1989, so if you switched to challengers in 1989, they were probably mk1 so what are the mk2s even doing here?
"You don't really want your infantry in combat." - Vulcan, 2022
Which is a shame since British Infantry should be highly trained and worth their weight in gold.
@@RomanHistoryFan476AD The devs stated that the unit quality ratings for the new divisions are somewhat bugged and will be fixed in a upcoming patch.
@@junibug6790 Yeah true, but Eugen does have a habit of making the Brits underpowered.
@@RomanHistoryFan476AD because they are french
@@rizkijunir23 True, hope they give the French a boost to speed when going backwards.
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Love these deck vids, especially for Warno with these gorgeous models.
The British Armoured Vehicles of this era are some of my favourite looking, from the Chieftain Tanks to the smaller vehicles like Saracens and Scorpions. Just so many cool looking things.
Looking forward to the French Deck video too, they also have some very interesting units.
The command vehicles especially the Land Rover also looks like the Berlin Brigade camo - take a look!!
The fox in the recon tab is bad (in my opinion) because it has only 150l of fuel and on some maps he run out of fuel when arriving on the frontline. Also it's always a pleasure to watch your vids.
I have one objection to the infantry models: The L85A1 is depicted solely with the iron sights/carrying handle, a configuration that was only issued to support troops, whereas actual combat infantry were issued with the 4 power SUSAT scope for their rifles.
and they gave them the model of a M60 instead of the MAG
Already confirmed to be fixed in the next update
New division: Is a tank division with many expensive infantry slots.
Vulcan HD: I'm gonna fill them all out anyway.
Weird that all the infantry tab was listed as poor quality (excluding the atgm crews). Not sure how that scans given the generally high quality of British infantry during this period...
Edit: just got to the recon tab and the SAS are listed as poor quality at full vet.
I think this was meant to be an armor focused formation, thus the basic options for infantry and recon. I'd imagine an infantry/airborne focused division will come with more high quality options in the ground troop category.
It's a confirmed bug
Unit quality has no bearing on stats, its just an icon
Both British first line Armoured Divisions had access to a regiment of M107 175mm SP artillery, provided by the Corps artillery, is it coming to the Division or is it omitted for some reason?
By the look of the model the TOGS (Thermal sight) on the right hand side of the Chieftain turret is open, so im guessing the idea with the mk11 having the longer range over the mk9 is that the mk11 has thermal sights fitted where the mk9 does not, 20 points for a thermal sight that doesnt effect optics but does effect gun range....?
You mention HEAT a few times, obvs British tanks only carry HESH not HEAT so guessing it wouldnt have HEAT ammo as it works ingame
Not sure why 1st ArmDiv gets Fox recon cars? I dont think they had those, only the Royal Yeomanry units in the 2nd Infantry Division had them
And its a big shame they didnt capitalise on the 1stArmDiv having the PRG (Parachute Regiment Group) in their deployment zone in Germany to give the Division some ATGM heavy Para units
Seems like they depowered the UK division for some reason.
@@RomanHistoryFan476AD Eugine always depowers UK stuff
I wish there was a way to add camuflaje netting and vegetation’s as makeshift camouflage for vehicles the way they do in real life. It would be merely aesthetic, but it would add more immersion into this game
Or have it get added on the longer a unit stays stationary the more camouflage they add
SAS wargame we miss you .
They made them a joke.
Nice. This patch added my fav Armored Warfare PVP vehicles (Fox and VBL)
Also I think the Brits in Red Dragon has HESH rounds iirc. Not sure if Eugen will have those special rounds in Warno in the future. I hope they will add those into the game.
There were no "specialized" ammunition types in Wargame, and there is none here either. The game assumes that the vehicle is firing whatever ammo is the most appropriate for the target - so if a tank is firing at a vehicle, it uses APFSDS, or HEAT, or HESH. If the tank is firing at infantry, it's assumed it's using HE shells and so on.
The only unfortunate thing is the soldiers modeled have M60s instead of FN-MAGs and hold their L85s in a weird awkward position.
M60's will be replaced in a coming update, they are a placeholder for now. Not sure if they'll change how the L85's are held, but they will get the SUSAT scopes.
Why does the FV432 Command vehicle have the Russian ATGM 'cope' cage welded onto the top?
For observation, I think. Camo frame.
Is it just me or are those MP5 SDs gigantic? xD
quite surprised you brought 2 cards of Gun group given how Defence Group perform in SD2. But then again they aren't using Brens anymore.
Sounds like Quickybaby...
Anyone else hoping for more Berlin Brigade puzzle camo?
Do the harriers have their hovering capability?
Nope, that was only for landing and takeoff if neccesary.
@@VulcanHDGaming that makes sense I had the image of landing near a supply truck and resupplying but that wouldn't make much sense.
@@VulcanHDGaming sounds like someone never watched the documentary 'True Lies'.
I miss Blowpipes :(
What did you think about the french deck? Wich one is better, french or english?
I will have a video for the French deck out in just over an hour.
Strange how all the British stuff is listed with bad quality
I love how that Assault pioner group with the Carl G. is just objectively worse than the Rifles squad - why are Eugen this bad at balancing things 😆
Yeah it would be good if they had slrs and 2 fn mags and a carl g.
Representing an older slightly less capable sqaud.
@@studentaviator3756
Maybe the Carg Gustavs should, I dunno, FIRE HE LIKE THEY'RE MEANT TO. Have Eugen completely forgotten that the Carl Gustav is a fire support weapon first and foremost and not a dedicated AT weapon? They're assault engineers for crying out loud, shouldn't bunker busting and the like be what the squad is configured to do?
@@Paveway-chan Wouldn't that potentially cause the soviet side to demand he rounds too for their rpgs. Wouldnt that make a unit that can kill tanks and infantry a bit op.
I mean in wargame red dragon the specialist carl g squads where really op. Potentially a difficult thing to balance.
Challenger 1 mk1 had same frontal armour as the Leopard 2A4 and same front turret armour as the T-80U. The Leopard 2A4 shouldn't have armour 20. Should be 19.
The Leopard 2A3 had armour similiar to the Chieftain mk9/10 so shouldn't have armour 19.
The infantry being kind of average was a surprise. Given how well trained they were. Given the basic rifles of course who seem pretty decent with two LSW's and good 20ap AT launchers.
The SAS wouldn't use Mp5's and second rate Law's. Pretty stupid tbh. Made them almost useless.
Not worth using yet over the other recon infantry options.
Biggest weakness of the Brits is low option of AA (like no SPAAG'S) & weak anti infantry - infantry options.
But besides my little gripes about other comparable tanks and infantry options it's a good deck.
The rapier is fantastic. 3100 meters fire and forget against helicopters is great mate.
And the infantry is pretty good too.
Standard infantry sqaud is 8 guys too lmg and a 20 ap 800 meter law.
Tbh that's really competitive, imo.
@@studentaviator3756 The rapier is a good piece of kit. Especially not having to worry about SEAD given this version isn't radar guided.
I think the range vs helicopters is 3000m an 2825m for other air assets.
I think its good but lacking any long range is a weakness. Kind of how the British forces wanted to operate I suppose.
The infantry are kind of lack luster. The warriors are great, rifles with LAW80 are great and their recon in with the same LAW80 are great.
But everything else is bad.
Oddly the armoured rifle squad of 7 men with the weak m72 law (AP13) an one less person than the none armoured files costs the same.... Lol
The SAS are bad too, equipped with Mp5's which they'd not use. They are mainly counter terrorism weapons.
They'd use the Canadian version of the M4 silenced in a Cold war gone hot scenario.
I think giving the Brits infantry a card extra of scouts with the LAW80, changing the load out of the SAS or make them a bit cheaper an maybe a card if more assault like infantry would be good.
Say even a card of airmobile infantry or paras.
With how overly effective artillery is now a force like Britian having slower battles with infantry due to them not having flamethrowers kwhich they shouldn't) then they get beaten heavily.
@@BroadHobbyProjects
So imo an anti heli aa piece is more important than anti air.
helicopters require ground based aa to kill
aircraft can be dealt with asf.
I think if the warrior infantry had law 80s it would be really op. you could zerg rush anyone with good ifvs and anti armour infantry and tear everyone too pieces. so i think they had to do it that way.
the sas, yes i think its highly unlikely they'd use mp5s but they would of almost certainly used m16a1s and m16a2s.
Just look at falkland conflict and desert storm. they are all using american m16 rifles not C7/C8.
@@studentaviator3756 The Soviets do the BMP rush rather well. Lol The Warrior doesn't have a stabiliser so the accuracy on the move is pretty garbage for assaults.
Unless using the infantry & mortars to pin the opposing infantry down then select "hunt" behind the enemy lines so the warriors stop & shoot their way through the weakened infantry.
That does the trick.
An my bad yeah they didn't adopt the Canadian version rfiles until the late 90's.
The idea during the Cold War was to use the SAS to seek out & destroy expected Spetz that the Soviets planned flooding the rear areas of NATO forces with.
From what I've read & heard anyways. So they should be better equipped for wiping out infantry with light AT (which they have) for likely compromised civilian vehicles used by the Septz infiltration units.
@@BroadHobbyProjects my opinion is the 1st armoured division would have some sas guys but not that much.
I think mp5 isn't correct. But m72 makes sense law 80 and and Carl g would be heavy.
Maybe the sas should have stingers like wargame red dragon xD
Why are the rmp there thy are army police 🤣
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They still haven’t made the deck building screen more user friendly!? So sad … half the fun is in building decks so they have effectively made half the game annoying now compared to how easy it is to build decks and actually SEE activation slots available for everything. Basic stuff. Disappointing as I was kind of looking forward to playing WARNO again in a few months :(
As a former soldier I'm disappointed that compared to Wargame we have lost Paras, Marines, Fusiliers etc
This deems more basic in comparison
This is the 1st armored deck. Other British decks will come.
Other formations will come with time.
The era they made is just too restricted to play any modern things. Something like eurofighter, su-30, rafale, leclerc and so on.
the camo excuse only made convinced they are one of the laziest devs around . all their games take place in summer . they focus all of balancing and more decks rather than trying to make the game feel as great as world in conflict by adding atmosphere and weather and real moving clouds etc .... . game is great , but it feels the laziest of the bunch .