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- Check out the new Line 6 Powercab 2X12 FRFR cab. In this review, I cover and demonstrate how it sounds (FRFR Mode, Speaker Emulation Mode & A Custom Preset With IR's) build quality, USB Recording Interface, Stereo Width Feature and I discuss the price and what seperates the Powercab 2x12 from other FRFR units.
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Awesome playing by Jarrod and Paul! I had no idea the power cab has as many uses and benefits as it does. Thank for being thorough, discussing both the homeruns and the areas where the cab perhaps underwhelms. 5 star review.
Thanks Aaron! You know me....tell it like it is. Like you, I was also surprised at what the Powercab has to offer
Excellent review. One of the best gear channels on TH-cam right now.
Aaron Short Music I love this channel
Aaron Short Music but yours it pretty good too Aaron - can’t wait to see you at namm
Thank you very much. I will always do my best to give honest fair reviews
Aaron Short Music What I love most about it is the detail. It’s not dumb just going over the specifications. This guy is a real player and appreciates tone in ways which really matter
Great demo, informative and honest. Wicked riffing as well!
Thank you very much. Hopefully you'll be able to watch this Sunday night and see how it does in the shootout
Spectacular intro! Great Jarrod! Another wonderful review regardless of anyone telling it how it is! And I like it! Thanks to you, I have a more truthful idea about certain products.
Thank you very much Jean Claude. Man, that Engl Savage module really sounds amazing. So much fun to play with.
TONE WARS I would like to play with that stuff 🤩
@@jean_claude_guitar I guarantee you would love it. So many options and great amp modules
Before I sold my victory v30mk2 and matching 212 victory cab with v30's I did a side by side with the power cab using about a billion cables and the V30 speaker emulation is extremely close to an actual cab with V30's. Say what you want but both cabs were sitting right in front of me and they were pretty damn close.
Dat production value thought.
Thanks for being honest about the powercab. Can't wait to Fightnight
Thank you. I can't wait either. I really get amped up on Fight Night. Lots of work but 10x the fun
Listened to this review through my PowerCab 212! I really hope they improve the speaker emulations as you stated. FRFR RAW is my sweet spot with this cab. I also run 2 QSCs left and right in conjunction. Glorious tone. Great review!
There's probably no better way to listen to this review then through the line 6 powercab 2x12. Great choice!
@@TONEWARSgearshow Thanks. I made a typo in my post. I am digging the LF RAW mode with my dual QSC 12.2s. I am trying to figure out how to do a Wet Dry Wet configuration ATM.
@@FUMPH21 I can send you a preset that does wet/dry/wet. Utilizes 2-- xlr and 1 --1/4" or 2 --1/4" and 1 --xlr. True Stereo out of the dual jacks and a dry amp/cab mono to the center.
benburnett1428@gmail.com if you are interested.
Completely agree, Jarrod. The FRFR mode sounded great. However, the Speaker Emulation modes sounded like you were playing through mud soaked blanket(s).
Thanks for commenting. I really felt bad having to point this out but it's the truth.hopefully in one of the next firmware updates Line 6 will address this and make it better. That's what this is all about.
@@TONEWARSgearshow First of all, we all appreciate your due diligence in setting up this very comprehensive test. Indeed, it is a friggin' breath of fresh air that you are able to highlight and demonstrate the product's strengths AND weaknesses, in an honest and forthright manner. Keep up the great work.
@@Deuterium2H comments like this really make it all worthwhile. Thank you
That's why I love your channel!
You need to turn up the output levels from the Kemper to make that V30 emulation to sound like it’s not being murdered by a pillow. The input light should be right between the yellow and red light.
the best thing about your reviews, is your "sincere honesty" something that is tragically missing in "you tube guitar land" im on the hunt for the perfect frfr cab for my axe fx 3 and i think "fight night" is gonna answer alot of my question marks. great work guys
Thank you so much. That really means a lot. Make sure you say hello in the chat on Sunday night. It'll be good to see you there.
This is definitely a long video, but I can assure you that there’s a lot of true real life situation presented in this video.
I believe this video to be legit and honest.
Overall a Great video, thanks for sharing quality, free content to help guys out there trying to spend their money the Right way and only 1 time. Cheers
Thank you so much for the kind words. I really appreciate it more than I can say.
That is exactly my goal, sharing honest, in depth information was everyone so that they can make the right decisions for them.
I have definitely caught my share of flak from Fanboys because of this but I'm never going to change.
Great review, I agree with you folks, the native IRs suck on the power cab. Once you load your custom IRs by any decent maker, the whole thing is on entirely different level. Nice!
I loved that into piece
Thank you very much I appreciate that. I really love the Hungarian minor modes. it's so eerie and beautiful at the same time isn't it? It's fun to pull that out every once in a while
Dude.
The guitar playing is killing me.
NICE.
I just bought one (even after watching this vid among others) and at first had the same experience with the speakers sims, until finding out the input light should be yellow, it makes a decent difference in sound when it’s getting a louder signal. Still not perfect but much better
Great video. Keep up with the good work.
I didn't want to believe this review, I wanted the powercab cab speaker emulations to be truly great sounding and feeling (and thus be able to simplify my rig and life), but man after trying one out I have to agree. It's a pretty decent FRFR, but I don't find the speaker emulations to be very inspiring at all.
yeah it sounds really bad in this review. did you hear the same muffled veil when trying the real thing?
@@jeffkung5088 I did.
I totally agree with you and can confirm your experience. I own a Helix and just bought a Powercab 112 Plus. According to the promotion from Line 6 I was expecting the speaker simulations to sound close to real cabinets and bought the Plus version so I can switch between these from Helix depending on presets. I was really disappointed by the integrated speaker simulations because to me they sounded quite dull and much less lively than real cabinets, as for example my marshall cab. I found it also funny that the greenback speaker simulation and the greenback IR that both came preinstalled with the powercab sounded COMPLETELY different. The FRFR part seemed to be the best part of the Powercab but honestly I didn't buy it (especially the plus version) just for leaving it in FRFR all the time. I'll return the Powercab Plus and will probably get a normal FRFR...
Hi, did you turn off your cab simulation and use amp only on the helix when using speaker sim on the powercab?
I'm thinking of buying the powercab but I'm a bit reluctant now as people are saying the speaker emulation sucks. However, if you use it wrongly (not turning off the cab emulation on helix) then yes it will sound strange as you have 2 different cabs modeled together.
@@TheApsodist Yes, I did of course turn off the helix cab block when I tried the speaker simulations.
I like the headrush frfr112 personally, makes a huge difference if you get 2 of them
You are really stepping up your game! Great review/demo. "Different version of the same cold"...well LMFAO!! Looking forward to fight night!
Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. This review was a ton of work but it's definitely worth it
The Flat Stereo (FRFR) mode is solid. I love the shit out of mine. The speaker emulations are absurd. L6 got lost with that idea. Anyone buying a $2K modeler is going to know better.
The power/volume is insane, but can go to whisper, still remain clear and doesn't skim treble. I wish it were more friendly to standing up vertically, as I have mine arranged. Or even if the top handle was recessed flat so you can put a rack case on top of the flat surface. It works fine standing vertically, It's just strange having controls on the side.
One strange note, is that if you have an Axe Fx 3, there is an issue with the PC 212 not taking the AES digital output of the AF3. XLR analog outputs work great. The digital is an issue atm.
Both companies point to the other, but users have ultimately gleaned that the problem is on the Line 6 PC side. Hopefully firmware will bring a fix.
Interesting because I have the 212+ and I tried cab blocks in flat stereo and also IRs from Own Hammer and a few others and I found that using the speaker mode with a greenback 57 mic set to 1.5" on the left and cream speaker with a ribbon mic at about 3" on the right speaker gave me some incredible amp in the room sounds. I also set the speaker distance to 0%. Using a bodonk amp with an 808 in front. I got a pretty awesome chug metal sound and love it
Great review and playing
thank you very much. Hopefully you will be able to tune in this Sunday night at 6 p.m. eastern daylight time for Fight Night. It will be good to see you there
Amazing review. Much respect.
Great review man... 1st time watcher & now subscriber👍
Thank you very much! Welcome to our channel.
What kind of music do you play?
TONE WARS cleaner stuff... country/blues/rock mostly but appreciate high gain stuff also👍
@@chrismundayguitar cool. We will definitely make sure that your type of playing is represented on this channel as much as we can.
TONE WARS cool I look forward to new episodes 👍
"Uuuurrrrrhhhh" everytime you slide down the fret board 🤣🤘
Great stuff Jarrod! Thx!
My god that bass E string was flapping in the wind like an 80 year old mans dingaling
Excellent review, Jarrod. Thanks for making it happen!
Thank you. It was my pleasure. Are you tuning in for Fight Night this Sunday?
they've got the PC plus on sale right now $150 bucks off normal price, and with the 48 month interest free financing on Sweetwater. Might have to grab one of these.
Great review! Question, how did the Powercab handle the low B string and anything below standard E tuning? How well does it chug!
You are the BEST reviewer on YT. Great job once again!
You need to turn cab sim off to use the built in speakers .
I'm pretty sure he did. I own this and all of the speakers sims kinda suck ass for high gain. Being able to load your own irs and the frfr being good quality makes it so worth it though
@@blackmetalbreadstick I agree. I even reached out to line 6 because I was sure I had a defective one because all the speaker models sounded like total crap in comparison to a real speaker, but they basically told me that that's how they're supposed to sound and maybe I just don't like the tone of the amp.
The speaker models truly are horrible.
@@jeffsetto9823 yup but hey the rest of it is awesome in my opinion worth the cash
Just throwing in my 2 cents. FRFR is a misnomer. If they all are truly FRFR, they would all sound very similar. Checked Mission Engineering, Friedman, and Line 6 websites. They all list the frequency response as full range 70hz ish to 18Khz ish. But none of them indicate how flat they are, as in a plus or minus number. What they should be referred to is full range speakers/amps.
You're absolutely correct. I wish there would be some sort of standard on "flat"
When you put a mic up to the power cab did you place the mic on axis? Because it's a coaxial speaker if it's on axis you right on top of the tweeter that's in the center of the speaker if it were off axis you'd pic up way more low end.
Sounded great at the beginning of the video..could you share that preset you made with us, i would love to play through that tone…
great solo ❤️
So I've got a Helix rack and was gonna buy the 212 plus but just interested in using Ownhammer and mk labs ir's wouldn't I get more mileage from two power cab 112's instead of the 212 plus? Don't care for the speaker modeling and I got the extra controls and L6 link and AES EBU in the back of the Helix Rack.
I used to have a Helix-returned it
(Tone is too chaotic)
I used to have a Mission Gemini-returned it (too heavy to transport, tone lacks the punch i need)
Now I have a Fractal Ax8
And a Powercab 212-I’m keeping both. 👍
great video, thanks ! liked and subscribed !
Great video. Cool channel. Hope this isn't a silly question. Did you remember to turn off the cab on your modeller when running through the speaker emulations?
I already own a 1x12 powercab and I haven't had the same poor sound through the speaker emulations. I was watching to find out the extra features of the 2x12 version. Which you did a great job of explaining. Thanks for the vid :)
thank you very much. I'm really glad that you're enjoying the videos and my channel. It's actually a good question because it sounds like I did forget to turn off the cab Sim in the modeler. That said, I definitely had the cab sim off in the Kemper.the speaker emulations in this product just plain suck. They need to revisit them and do an update and make them better.
@@TONEWARSgearshow did you ever experiment with the “mic’d speaker” emulated out on the PC 212+? It sounds good imo...I run my Kemper into the Powercab and the XLR out of the powercab to FOH and it sounds really good! Is that how you recorded it here? Using the XLR out of the powercab?
Looks like your feeling that powercab in the intro lol That feedback sustain sounds great.
It really was fun to record with. The lead guitar you're hearing is the Rhode camera mic capturing what's coming from the Powercab. The Engl module really sqeeels very nice and has a spooky sound
I just ordered one (regular version , not plus) because I got tired of waiting for Kemper powered cab that was supposed to happen. Any tips Jared? You generally have good to stuff to share especially with kemper/ helix platforms . Take care, bro
FRFR cabinets suck they just do but if you set your modeler up correctly, especially with this type of cabinet, you will get a much more playable tone. I had the mission engineering Gemini 2x 12 cabinet and I have to say it sucked and I thought it was supposed to be the best! The line 6 2x12 plus has a much better tone in my opinion, but don’t use the FRFR setting use it as a standard speaker cabinet and leave the speaker IR out of your signal chain of your modeler, the speaker reacts with the amp in a much more natural way you get that proper feel back………that’s how it works! let’s face it if you’re trusting your ears on TH-cam, they all sound good. It’s the feel that we’re really talking about here.!
only decent sound i get outa my power cab besides ir’ s is when i use the raw mode. don’t think u demoed that in this video, you should try it out. cheers and thanx for the work your putting in on these vids.
Thank you for commenting and for the kind words.
I briefly tried the raw mode and thought it also was good. I totally forgot to demonstrate that. Would you suggest raw mode or FRFR mode on Fight Night?
that’s a tough call. I don’t know what would be fair if the other FR you are going up against doesn’t have a similar raw mode on it.
@@Ghettorok1 yeah I hear ya. I'll just stick with FRFR mode
How's it stack against the mission engineering gemini 2? In your opinion.
Very sorry for the late reply. Without having them side-by-side, I really couldn't give you a definitive answer. I'm sorry
Lol. I want his dishonest opinion personally.
The input LED ofthe Powercab is red. Which indicates input clipping
It's just doing that because of the click track
This 212 powercab looks amazing... think it will be my next purchase together with a Helix! One question, do you know if the AES Input work simultaneously with the main Input... or is it one or the other!? Basically I'd like to connect the Helix to the power cab 212 via the AES connectors and then use the main inputs to connect an mp3 player to run backing tracks in stereo... is this possible? Many thanks! :)
Hey Jared. I'm getting close to buying one of these. I'm a helix user which is why I was going to get this over a Freidman. I know you had the Freidman win the shootout but do you feel this is still a great option? I do like the idea of being more flexible keeping line6 products together and potentially putting my IRs in the cab but if the freidman is truly leeps and bounds over the powdercab 212 then I'll go that route. Unfortunately I have no stores near by to test them. Im currently playing through a headrush so I know I really can only go up from here haha.
Great question. Is this for home use or for gigs?
@@TONEWARSgearshow home use
@@TONEWARSgearshow I doubt I would ever gig.
@@bigeclipse718 I would highly suggest studio monitors. Kali audio lp-6 are great and very affordable.
You will get a more accurate representation of the sounds that you're looking for and a great stereo separation as well with both monitors.
Hi! Have you tried an helix with a Headrush FRFR 112? between the Powercab PLUS 112 and the Headrush FRFR 112. Which one would you choose and why?? Thanks!!
I haven't tried the powercab 112 yet. ButI'm pretty sure it sounds much better than the Headrush. Those headrush speakers just sound very boxy and muffled. I would definitely go with the power cab
Awesome as usual thanks. Are u using the line or instrument setting?
Thank you. I'm using whatever the factory settings are
To play in stereo why not consider TWO PowerCab 112+ connected in chain for "better results" positioning both with some 3m of distance of each other... Stores are selling a "kit" with 02 112+ for a price similar of one 212+ (and via firmware updates the same speakers emulations can be loaded to the 112+)???? I would like your opinion, if possible.
Hello thanks for your question. I would suggest buying two speakers and separating them.
it sounds a lot better because you get true stereo separation and you can actually hear the notes bouncing around the room and you can tell where they're coming from.
I will say though, I cannot emphasize enough to not use the speaker emulations. Just use it in FRFR mode. Those emulations are awful.
@@TONEWARSgearshow did you try the speaker emulations with the Powercab's mic models added via the XLR direct out? This is a KEY feature that many gigging musicians probably care about. I don't want to mic my Powercab 212 +. I want to plug that XLR directly into FOH and go. With the mic models...how does it sound? Does it cut? What does the distance parameter do to the tone? Realistic? Thx.
So the studio guy had powercab 212 as the audio input in the DAW, and his audio interface (where his studio monitors are hooked up) as audio output in the DAW?
Nice review. Do you happen to have a opinion on the 1x12 version of this? I'm looking for a more budget friendly alternative.
Thank you very much I'm glad you like the review. I haven't played through the 112 yet.
For around the same money as the 112, you can get the Friedman ASC 10 or ASC 12. I would say that would be a better bet for you.
I only say this because the Friedman asc-12 won the blind shootout we did a few weeks ago
Do you think the line6 powered cab would hold up for a gigging musician? Do you think it might stand up to some regular abuse? Cool Demo!
Did you turn off your cabinet emulation when using the speaker simulations??
Yes of course I did. 😁
It sounds like I didn't though doesn't it? That's what I'm talking about. Those cab emulations do not sound good at all
@@TONEWARSgearshow why no examples of what the Powercab's DI out with mic modelling sounds like? I don't see the point in a physical mic on these cabs if you have a "mic'd speaker emulation" that can be run directly to FOH. Lots of mic models and distances to choose from too from within the Powercab Plus. Just curious.
@@tomulator good question. I'll see if I can do an episode about those in the future.
I think I'm going to grab the 112 for price and convenience (size/weight).
So my take from this video and others that I have seen is that if I wanted go stereo it would sound better to have two 1x12 further apart utilizing an ir either by downloading it into the speaker with a plus or in the helix with the regular 1x12 with the ir in the helix. Is this right? By the way this is the best demo Ive seen so far of the powercab 1x12 or 2x12.
thank you very much. I'm so glad you like the video. I appreciate the kind words. If you want true stereo sound, I would definitely suggest getting two cabs and placing them at least 10 feet apart from each other. The sound will be absolutely
1. It's been said that it gives you that "real cab in the room feel", does it do that?
2. Also, do you think it's capable of being loud enough for a loud ass drummer in a rock cover band?
3. What would recommend for a very good quality FRFR amp to use if not the Powercab?
Hello Vernon, good to hear from you. there are definitely varying degrees of loud drummers LOL I think for the most part, it would keep up with most drummers pretty well.
I would definitely put it up against a Friedman asc-12 before you make your decision though.
In my humble opinion, the Friedman asc-12 is a bit better.
we did a blind shootout in one of my live streams between the friedmen, atomic and the power cab. The friedmen won
@@TONEWARSgearshow cool I'll check that out as well. Thanks for your feedback sir! Love your content and honest reviews! 🤘
Hi… This cab really great sound? And loud for live setup?
It sounds decent. It really depends on how loud your drummer is.
while their are many good things about this review it needs one crucial element. It needs a big warning that states "THIS REVIEW IS ONLY BASED ON ONE MUSICAL STYLE AND DOES NOT CONSIDER ANY OF THE FEATURES AGAINST A RANGE OF STYLES."
Well in my opinion lots of solutions do cleans and breakup tones fine, but when you wanna go heavy they don’t deliver, so I have to say this goes a long way in my opinion.
Did you not turn off the cab IR in your modeler before running to the speaker emulation mode? It sounds like it's under a blanket. That's the only thing that explains why you are getting that dull blanket sound.
Yes I turned it off
@@TONEWARSgearshow That's strange. None of the tones in Paul Hindmarsh's videos sound like yours (his are really really good). I wonder what the difference is.
@@jacobsmith1877 post processing?
hey thats paul from full send
A large part of cab tone is... well the cab! Construction, material and build quality are all factors... just buy a nice cab. No work around for excellent craftsmanship. Natural acoustics are not emulatable as opposed to a certain component or series of them. This is why an IR will always sound different than the real thing.
I'm running helix with cab block bypassed into the powercab and the speaker emus sound great, but on this review they sound like crap 😇
did you turn the cab and ir's off from your kemper or helix if you dont it sounds horrible the ir's in the cab are just the sound of the speaker in the room the ir's in your kemper and helix are the speaker and mic
Yes
Why didn’t he run the line out into the front of his interface? You still would have had direct monitoring and wouldn’t have had to sit there and listen to monitoring everything through the cab.
We were testing the USB
I am not sure if I missed it or not but what is your preference after this review ? Friedman asc12 or this new power cab. Any qualities stick out on one over the other? Thanks again for your awesome reviews. I am holding out to see what Kemper releases before buying 2 for my Kemper rack. So far based on you tube demo/reviews, It seems like Friedman asm12 might be the ticket. For me anyway. Your thoughts?
Sorry about the late response. I still prefer the Friedman asc-12. the features of the power cab are really good. If those features are a huge necessity for you, you might want to consider getting that instead. As far as just sound and feel goes though, I would prefer the Friedman asc-12
TONE WARS thanks much. Sound is my main concern. I want huge sound plain and simple that feels authentic. Whatever that means. Lol. Going to give kemper amps a bit more time to see what they release for cabs. Otherwise Friedman is the answer
@@mikeschreiber9352 you really can't go wrong with the Friedman asc-12. It sounds great for any genre. Heavy tones, clean tones and everything in between sounds great through it
Aren't studio monitors FRFR too? Wouldn't studio monitors fulfill the same role?
More or less
I still prefer Seymour duncan power stage and a real cab. Ir´s for home recordeing or big stages with professional PA
Hum... speaker not so good.. muffled but the frfr was nice and crunchy
Any non metal tones?
I'm pretty much a metal / prog guy.
I don't want to be one of those guys who pretends to know about low gain, blues, classic rock tones. I try to stick to what I know and not mislead people
Dude... Good content... buy holy shit.. MUST you really make the music volume 75x the friggen speaking volume... One minute Im listening to you talk the next minute it sounds like slayer is doing a sound check in my living room...
VOLUME LEVEL PLEASE
I like your playing btw... It's really clean.
Thank you. Yeah I've made some changes on the channel since I did this video. My audio levels are balanced a lot better now.
Is this still Tone Wars?
It sure is Buddy. Are you tuning in this Sunday night at 6 for Fight Night? That's a tone war you don't want to miss
Please help. What’s better in your opinion this or the Gemini 2
The Friedman asc-12
Thanks. Out of Gemini 2 and powercab 212 what’s better??
If you had to choose one or the other just for a frfr the Gemini 2 or the powercab 212?
@@mariojohnson218 honestly, the Powercab 212
Please explain why. Thank you much respect
Thought this would be a good review right up until I heard everything was just high gain tests. That is really unfortunate. Was hoping to see how it handles Marshall Plexi, etc. Not sure why people are so focused on high gain chugga chugga stuff. Just use a high gain amplifier and cab and skip modeling if that's all it's used for.
I stick to what I know
Really as much as I respect modeling and have high hopes for it… the people embracing it currently as though it’s fully arrived just seem to be shills and or easy to please.
@@justinTime077 Thanks for commenting. I totally agree. It's just not there yet
Is that the steph carp?
Sorry I don't understand the question
It is can’t tell if it’s the 1.3k or 4K model
I’ve got the 1.3 think mines lighter green think his is the bad ass $4k darker green
have you tried it into katana?
I have tried the katana. Honestly, I wasn't very impressed
@@TONEWARSgearshow have you found a good solution then? I have a hx stomp and looking for a good monitoring solution
@@jeffkung5088 Is this for home practice or band practice and stage performance?
@@TONEWARSgearshow more for stage and gigging with friends. at home I have studio monitors.
You do realize you can get a whole 8000 watt (peak) Proreck PA, including two 18 inch subs CHEAPER than ONE Line 6 Powercab 212. Yeah I realize that you probably (emphasis on probably) won't use an entire PA as your amp, but the point is:
These things are WAY overpriced.
An FRFR speaker is just a PA speaker.
There's a challenge for you. Hook up your modeler to one of those PAs and dial in the settings. And, as a side challenge, play COD through it cranked to get that "Authentic War" sound. 🤘🤘
You did it wrong. You need to turn off your IR or cabinet in the modeler you are using. It makes it sound like crap.
Nope, I turned the IR off