The two big heads of development for Warframe left it to work on their next project, Soul frame. Since then, all the polish and QoL people had been asking for across a decade finally gets added to Warframe. Should tell you a lot lol.
I know at least... Steve? I always stood after watching a few devblogs that he had the vibe of "My way of making games is clearly superior" I may come back to play Warframe hearing is a bit better now
When it comes to Steve Sinclair, he was an idea guy. He seemed to be the one who was always trying to add to Warframe. Railjack, Operator, K Drive, and other systems. The rest of the team had to polish what he wanted implemented. Scott was the one that pushed back on player requested QoL. But I am not mad at him because he was the one having to polish all these other systems Steve wanted in. He didn't want to take resources away to rework a Warframe when Plains of Eidolon needed to be fixed. But it does seem like Rebecca and Pablo have a better balance and cadence on Warframe's development. I truly believe they both play the game they develop. I don't think Scott and Steve played Warframe much. I hope they Change their process with Soulframe.
After he goes outside first and screams dramatically into that midnight thunderstorm as he looks into the dark sky momentarily lit by flashes of lightening and the crashing roars of bellowing thunder. down right beautiful.
Holy shit, that dude literally jump from soulframe to ruining Americe. >Make twitch acc for 2 days. >follow the stream for 2 hours >getting rage about game >loses, switch to politics >get banned that was funny lmao
I think it was the other way around, he was raging about politics, then went on calling him incel and only then switched on to the game. But yeah, the dude is totally unhinged, lol) He's literally antagonistic on every fucking point even when there was no point made. I often disagree with Asmon on a multitude of points, but man, this lil bro decided to go completely nuts.
@@great_based_one Just your typical Biden/Harris supporter. The mindrot among these people is insane. These are the very same people who usurped the entertainment and gaming industries and are now actively trying to foist their beliefs and ideologies onto the rest of us, which we've vehemently rejected dozens of times over, but they always double and triple down on it to the point where studios and companies are on the verge of going under. Ubisoft is a prime example
I think Soulframe carried too many things from Warframe over when DE were making it. In Soulslike movements should be tight and animations lined up correctly. You can't be having any of those Warframe issues where animations don't work correctly or line up properly because you're moving 100mph when you trigger them.
@@Zynet_Eseled I quote Scott "It's a more casual approach to a Souls game, It still has the deep mechanics and the mastery of the combat but it's easier to pickup and less punishing."
Who know, might've been running a shield bash build instead of a backstab build. I mean if the modding is like warframe then don't be surprised I'd some builds have light attacks that deal half a million killing a boss 13 times over and a heavy attack that deals 10k.
Love the example made to the "Guy wasting his life spreading discontent" Good is good, and bad is bad, I would rather have someone call it out as opposed to someone hiding behind the covers. Keep up the great coverage.... on all fronts!
Yeah l like the example that was made of that guy too. Do I think that Asmon holds a little too much water for Trump? Of course I do. I just don’t let it ruin my day like this person did. You always need to be able to point out dumb s*it even when it’s on “your side”. I generally agree with most of Asmon’s points and find him to be a pretty reasonable person even if I disagree with his politics. That douche at the end of the video is completely detrimental to his cause and makes people who lean left look unhinged.
I want the camera to always go up the ass of my character so that I can see organs instead of enemies. I just love to play that way. Or the camera can go behind wall, I also love to look at walls or trees instead of seeing the enemy I'm fighting. I love how this increases difficulty.
One of the worst animations in warframe is a takedown animation on an enemy larger than you. when it triggers the enemy magically scales down to the proper size required for you to grab it by the neck and stab them in the back
A funny one in warframe was your dogs assassinations. it could trigger them on enemies that are like 3-4 meters tall and the dog would upscale to the same size as the enemy for the animation 😂😂😂
Its Warframe devs. They like to play it fast and loose with updates and iterations. They will get it right eventually, even if they have to uproot the whole thing and redo it again. Anyone who played Warframe from the start knows how many times that game changed its entire game mechanics.
Bro anyone that has played Warframe for over a year will know that DE will completely about face on anything on a whim. They've gotten better about their nerfs and buffs but they still can't make open world content worth a damn.
Remember when developers used to finish a game, and release it, and then that was the game? Instead of releasing a game, and then somehow months later that's not the game anymore?
Warframe veteran opinion here to reinforce the opinions in the video - Warframe is insanely fast paced and more focused on your ranged weapons and frame abilities so you don't really notice how floaty something like the roll animation is and the melee has always *been* bad animation wise but when you have 300% atk speed and can red crit cleave 5 people in front of you for 3m+ dmg it still feels good Soul-frame on the otherhand is absolutely cooked so far. They've basically taken all of the animations, probably same engine, and focused the game around melee while also making the game 80% slower in every way. Thats before even bringing up how the same particle effects and lense flares they have in warframe STILL doesn't work here. The didn't try to make a new game, they just made slower melee warframe and the pace fucks it all up because they can't rely on that to cover the jank
Veteran as well. 100% agreed. There is a reason why players despise both Duviri and Khal missions. They are both so slow that you notice every single flaw that you breezed by and never noticed in other modes because you were zipping through missions at insanely high speeds.
Veteran as well. I agree. Warframe is about speeding through the map, specially once you learn how to use bulletjump and master the rolling with it. You can barely look at the details as you move in and out of combat. The only way to save Soulframe is to do fast pace melee again unless they want to solve the issue that their animations and combat at slow pace is terrible. But if they manage to fix the melee combat, they can send that fix to Warframe, so I see it as a win-win. The lighting reminds me of what J. J. Abrams got obsessed with lighting and absolutely everyone hated that. No one liked those lights and this game has way too much of that as well. They need to drop this sort of lighting system and I sure hope they don't use that lighting charge. It's outdated and I never really liked it in Warframe.
It looks like a cash grab. I bet when they did Duviri someone said "why dont we make a full game out of it" . And the fact that they are making itin Unreal 3 is just wow. The game looks very outdated. And what is with the main character in these granny pants ?!
Warframe in general was pretty bare-bones in the beginning. What made Warframe so great was the continous work the devs put into it. I just hope that DE puts as much passion into Soulframe as they did with Warframe. Because then, we don't have to worry at all
Warframe is a very strange game. It goes from Third Person Shooter to Third Person whatever the path-of-exile-in-space fucking shit it turns into. The first half and second half may as well be different games.
And people are also right about that Eldenring's DLC is *OVERTUNED* and *artificially* difficult. Just because FromSoft wanted to make it hard even for the few sweats who reached "maxlevel" and could put all attributes to 99. Just so that these *LITTLE FEW* would not have it easy to beat the DLC and then the average player got absolutely obliterated. 🙃 But hey... who cares if people like Asmon ( or ME IN THAT CASE ) are right and said *_" Hey it would have been alright if the Shadowcurse would have only made our damage bad and not also buffed the enemies damage. "_* But noooooooooooooooooooooooo. 😁 They just had to overtune it and no matter how silent this majority of players is who found this absolutely horrendous... that is damage that is done. And not good damage. This is now a nick in FromSofts armor of trust. Customers do not forget who gave them a bad time. TOO bad of a time. FromSoft games are not hard. They are hard but fair. And fun. AND NOT OVERTUNED. 👏😎 This DLC broke the trust for the first time. But I doubt that From won't learn from that. F°°° the maxlevelers, nobody gives a flying fart about them.
@@LawfulBased what do you mean, ER dlc use different scaling system than base game so maxlvler (NG+7) or not, they will get shit on regardless if you dont actually explore and collect skibidi seeds... tho I do believe that you need to at least beat the base game once (get the char to more or less lvl100) before trying the dlc unless you wanna do one of those lvl1 challenge runs.
For some reason DE execs thought "you know that part of Warframe we abandoned and nobody likes despite years of iteration failing to make it interesting or fun? Lets make an ENTIRE game with ONLY that!"
"DE execs" more like steve, rebecca and pablo are doing much better job than him since steve left, steve abandoned so many projects and added content no one asked for like railjack and duviri that even if the combat is refined, unless he learned the mistake, the game is gonna be facing same issues.
They probably shower for feedback, Digital Extremes is a developer that looks out what the game can be improved by listening to the player base, it's in their DNA
They listen😂 This is Steve and Scott we’re talking about, they may hear you but they rarely listen what the community actually want. It took how many years for universal vacuum? How many years for “better” bounty system? How many years “better” pets? How many years for Stalker’s back story? Reality is they do whenever they feels like it, community’s opinions post little to none for them.
@@eyesneveropen-meow-5125Steve and Scott don't listen, they didn't listen in WF either Only when they left for the Soulsframe project, only then did WF actually start listening to the community feedback on stuff
"YoU'Re RuiNinG aMeRiCa" Buddy. Pal. Your side has all the power right now. They've had all the power for the last 4 years. If you don't like the state of America, you're getting mad at the wrong people.
Don't think you have a good understanding of American politics my guy. It's not a dictatorship where 'one side' is in charge and are unilaterally able to make every decision.
@@sabihrashid252They could’ve made any, literally *ANY* single change to benefit his “side,” they they didn’t and he still blames others. Not a single ounce of introspection to be had.
Using a game engine as an excuse for bad gameplay is like a train company buying cheap trains that don't work properly on the routes they traffic and people excusing the company because the trains are bad.
Game was well made IMO but it just never felt fun. I will replay it in the future with the new patches. Apparently theres less mobs now. @bennydesu5807
yeah, rail-jack sucked. But it seems the dev team is on track now that they have been under new management for a couple of years? The game certainly feels a lot better from the POV of a returning veteran.
Just finished lies of p guys. Im so proud of myself. I got 6 or 7 achievements left. Im doing ng+ no summons. Scrapped Watchmen took me 2 hours this morning.
He says he played for 10 years on and off but still, I had better movement 20 hours in. The only rooms I struggle a bit in rn are derelict orikin cus the layout is weird but other then that I'm moving at mach 10
True I mean for people outside of Warframe it don't look good but for Warframe enjoyers men I feels great the movement feels amazing when u know how to use it . 😂😂 One dude say the movement is trash and I was show me how u play on discord ... And yes he don't know how to play Warframe It just was walking mission to mission and 😂😂😂😂
@@ajjames1960 i have to say that guy in the video does not look like he played the game 10 hours. it feels like he especially chose those bad moves i dunno why..
Remember that DE worker on many other game projects after Warframe that were summarily canned before an alpha was playable. They are trying hard to don't see this happen again, and moved the big heads to thew new one to make sure it will keep the pace the investors want to see. And what happened to Warframe? Stuff we asked for for years got implemented within the time frame these 2 heads moved to the new project. I don't think the new game will float because of these heads weighing it down.
This is a bit of a weird take in my opinion. I know people hate Scott and Steve, but Geoff is the creative director for Soulframe. Scott was also the one who made Baruuk who's one of the most beloved exalted weapon Warframes. Almost nothing has changed about Baruuk since his release, and it goes to that Scott eventually accepted the power fantasy Warframe became. Did he butt heads with the players? Yes, but that's because his vision of Warframe was obviously not what the players wanted. He wanted the game to be much slower, more methodical and balanced. That just isn't Warframe. However, that's definitely their direction for Soulframe to some extent. People think of Steve as the ideas guy who can think of some incredible concepts. However, people forget that his specialty is software engineering and game optimization. He's a programmer at heart and that's always been his priority. He's the reason you can play Warframe on Xbox One, Xbox series S/X, PS4/5, Switch (in partnership with Panic Button), and mobile IOS and eventually... Android devices. We also know that Steve, Scott, and Geoff still work on Warframe, especially since a lot of the engine improvements with Soulframe get implemented into Warframe. Soulframe will probably be fine, but it'll take time just like Warframe. It's also only 2 years old which is insane how fast they're progressing with it considering most games of this caliber and detail would take about 4-5 years of development. Of course, it's because they're sharing the Evolution engine with Warframe, but that's just smart resource management. I'm looking forward to seeing how they take the feedback and improve the combat and animations, but I wouldn't discredit devs who're burned out on making Warframe after 5-8 years as incapable. You have to remember these guys who are making Soulframe have only made first person/third person shooters, so it'll take them some time to get it right.
@@thatonepenguinperson618Soulsframe has Steve and Scott. Soulsframe will be edged. WF doesn't have Steve and Scott anymore, and WF starts implementing stuff wanted by the community. WF is alrighty-ish right now. Until Soulsframe goes under and Steve and Scott come back to WF
@@LudwigVaanArthans Steve and Scott still work on Warframe though, so it's not that they're gone. They just aren't in charge of the ideas anymore. Rebecca also stated in the FPS podcast during an interview that a big concern with ending the Lotus Story was players quitting the game thinking the developers are "done" with Warframe. Therefore, they had a few measures in place to try and prevent player drop off as much possible: 1. They changed development teams before announcing it and gave Reb and the new crew full control over the Angels of the Zariman and Duviri Paradox updates, but didn't tell the audience. This meant any and all backlash would be targeted towards the old guard (Steve and Scott mostly), which gives the new crew some room to learn from their mistakes. 2. Reb and Pablo implemented as much quality of life as they could to gather community trust for the new team. This was an easy goal to accomplish because of how beloved Reb and Pablo are, but very important to make it feel like this was a new beginning for Warframe. 3. They now have 1 massive update a year and will downscale the ambition of their projects. The only content that can be shown is stuff that will actually come out within the year or soon. 4. Most importantly, Steve, Scott, and the old guard will still be part of Warframe and developing the engine further in Soulframe to port back to Warframe. This allows both games to grow together. Your point that Steve and Scott coming back to Warframe being the end is strange because they are the reason why Warframe runs so well and on so many devices. Their ideas are not the best, but their technological prowess is the reason why Warframe plays as well as it does today on toasters and modern hardware alike.
Just looks unpolished, they clearly have other ideas and systems in place that seem good. Tidy up the animations, general character movement, and redo some combat stuff.
@@erxan4163 yeah definitely they have enough time. The version of the game they're releasing to the public is still like either pre-alpha or alpha. They havent yet touched the movement or combat since last years gameplay demo other than a minor change to the jumping animation but like... Not a *single* game i gonna be or even supposed to be 1. Filled with content 2. Perfect movement and combat 3. Visually perfect. They're still really fuckin eaely in development and i feel like the amount of negative feedback is so big is mostly because they dont say or mention the development stage they're in with the game in the purely gameplay showing videos and demos.
Gameplay is what sets a game apart from any other medium: it informs every interaction you make with it. If it's bad then everything else doesn't matter. It's like watching a movie while sat on a suspiciously damp couch: you're so uncomfortable that the quality of the rest of the experience just doesn't matter.
This is honestly premature. It is still in development. For a game meant to take 5 or more years to develop and they are already here in 2 years. That is to be commended. The game is not out yet. These are fixes that can easily be added changing a few metrics and dynamics of the engine with regards to the sliding effect and a little more polishing. But to clown it when it’s still in process like it’s already a finished product is ridiculous
Its better than some games in the genre for sure and whatever they accomplished in a short time is nothing less commendable. That being said, the game is really subpar, and the criticisms are valid simply because of the showcase, you can't expect that people, especially those who are truly excited for the game, do not give their thoughts to it. By uploading gameplay footage to hype the game you are not only building expectations, but also run the risks for the flaws of the game to be exposed. And the reaction to the criticisms especially from Asmongold is laughable like he somehow ruin the industry for his takes. At the end of the day, its just a one man's opinion.
@@jamianobsolete334 So you know what it is, so now why would they show it??? you think devstreams are done for charity of something? It is supposed to be of benefit to the devs but this just makes them look incompetent.
"Only 2 years development time?, thats alot!!!" Kids nowadays are so fried.., its unbeliveable Its Not normal to Release every year a trash copy paste sh*t like cod/ Fifa, incredible good games like from RockStar/ Fromsoft take years on years of development
Besides, it started with like 2-3 people, team grew little by little, with the studio mostly focused on their main game - Warframe It's more of a side project that's growing into its own, people are clueless
They are reusing Warframe’s engine. Assets from Warframe are likely to be changed and utilized in Soulframe. Stealth is in Warframe. Parrying is there. Following a glowing npc is there. The “hub base” is there. Trees are there. Grass is there. Water is there. Like COD and FIFA, they aren’t starting from scratch. While you are correct on the development time for Rockstar (GTA, specifically), you are entirely wrong about the development time for FromSoftware games. To my knowledge, only Sekiro and Elden Ring had development times that lasted beyond three years.
Duablo 4’s continued success and Dragons Dogma 2’s failure are the reason that you can’t trust Asmongold’s opinions. He’s getting old and losing touch.
In a nutshell, looks better than almost anything I'd have gotten as a kid (those animations are terrible though), but with lazy combat and almost no story
Dunno why everybody is in love with the combat. That game feels horrible with with the input delay baked in and animations are also stiff. In the end it doesn’t matter, people hype it up because it’s fromsoft. Dark souls series was way better imo, bored out before reaching final boss.
yeah, Force doesn't showcase the most skillful play of Warframe - he keeps saying that he played plenty of Warframe but it doesn't look like it from the footage he's showing. Just looke like MR1.
There's a reason Warframe has one of the happiest/dedicated playerbases. DE constantly improves/updates systems, so these issues are kinda insignificant.
Warframe is a game that changed a lot from its initial release from being a bad game to becoming a good game. The devs already said their plan was to follow the same route of releasing a small game and grow from there. Can they do it again? We'll see. They did it successfully once so I'm giving them their chance to prove it again. The risk however is that the gaming world has changed since then and people now announce games are dead even before they release. This can create a lot of bad press really quickly that can be hard to put behind as they move forward.
People have different expectations for games release in 2024 or after. warframe is okay because it’s 10 years old. I would never play a game that looks like this
Im biased since I play Warframe, but all of this commentary about this game being "terrrible" and "garbage" seems in very bad faith to me. Like conviently ignoring the fact that "back when they showed the same gameplay" like Asmon said, the game had been in development for a single digit number of weeks, or the fact that they are leaving the invite only phase of the alpha this fall so now is when the feedback is gonna explode with more people playing, the fact that they've literally said combat is their single biggest challenge as developers, or the fact that last year they said no developer would be showing you what they showed because of how unfinished the build was and the normal process would be going dark for 5 years and then showing you a finished product but that's exactly what they intentionally don't wanna do. Wether it is misinformation or clout chasing it just seems the criticism is being very unfair from my pov as someone who actually follows all updates of this game on a weekly basis, just my opinion
It's unusual way of doing things and i think Asmon isn't wrong for reacting the way he does, cause he sees these gameplay footages as something close to a completed project nearing it's release.
As a veteran Warframe player, I’d like to say that this is just an excuse. No matter what we complained about with Warframe, the part that carried it was always the combat and fluidity. They have said that the basis for Soulframe is going to weigh heavily on the combat. Like you said, combat is their biggest issue right now. In totality, the MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE GAME IS COMBAT AND THEY ARE STRUGGLING WITH IT!! This gameplay should have never seen the light of day in its current state.
I mostly agree with this point. What they probably should have done was to invite out some content creators to get honest feedback. Or share the trailer and gameplay with them in a much smaller setting. This gameplay was released to a large group of Warframe fans which is just the wrong setting.
The devs were always very transparent with their game development. The new soulframe 'trailer' was just a showcase of their progress during their own live event, so they could get everyone's feedback. And guess what, they actually listen. Next few months they plan to experiment with combat and make a proper system, since this one is literally a placeholder from their other game.
It's literally a progress showcase shown during their own live event. It's not supposed to be finished or look good. They want to show the game for what it really is, so they can improve the gameplay and they actually listen. They announced they will work on making actual combat next, instead of having the placeholder from their other game, which hopefully should be done by the time the open alpha comes around
We're witnessing modern game development, not just AAA. The people that sign the checks and greenlight projects, they just want to see a pretty looking game. They really don't care about much else. So Devs have to bend to the desires of the higher ups, sacrificing what the players really care about. Good gameplay. The more we push back, the more they'll realize it's a bad business strategy. It'll get worse before it gets better, but we have to keep pushing.
No, no that's not the case here dude. That's literally just warframe combat with some slight adjustments. They didn't make shit combat here to meet deadlines. They copied shit combat from a game so fast full weapon combos end in a second with 1 or 2 mods and slowed it down to a snail's paste to meet deadlines.
@@BlackBlade51 I'm just sharing my experiences from working in games. I've been on several projects, this is very common. Then you hear the inside story from games like Suicide Squad and others, it's just how the bigger game companies work.
@@BlackBlade51 I have a feeling its just placeholder combat copied from warframe, they have mainly been working on story, lore, characters, environment, changing dungeons, etc
Soulframe doesn't have a set release date and is still in pre-alpha. The combat is definitely going to change over the next couple of years before they have an official release.
Tbh I think this is just how DE works, Warframe sucked until they worked on it continually for 10 years- btw idk why this dude used the WORST warframe footage he could find especially when he's talking about how fast the game is.
Bro like even in warframe the camera is bad. After returning to the game after around 2 years, I asked on the questions tab how can I distance the frame from my center of the screen or zoom out a little more as my fov was already at max. Its crazy how some fashion pieces on different warframes can affect the screen and visibility. Rhino and Kullervo are one of the best examples of that. I cannot see in front of me whats happening. The character is too big and the reticle is being obstructed by a shoulder piece or a gun animation. And yes I can take the shoulder piece and get like 20% better vision but thats not the point. I have to purposefully allign my character and center of my screen diagonally from the enemy to actually see whats going on. And in higher levels like steel path where enemies are everywhere and they introduced line of sight its a whole shit show that nobody is talking about. Whats up with that? Why cant we distance a bit the warframe to the side so we can have the center of the screen? Why cant we change the camera on the warframe to a setting where said warframe doesnt take half of my screen??? In orbiter its like a giant and cant see half of the screen... skill issue, rant call it whatever you want but I DO THINK ITS AN ISSUE
I put thousands and thousands of hours into Warframe. Ultimately I felt like they were focusing more on Tennogen and Deluxe microtransactions and the quality of the game suffered. Also, they made a lot of changes that messed overly with the in-game trading economy Just my opinion. Many of the major updates fell and felt flat. This was years ago. I think Warframe is amazing for being free to play. Also, my clanmates kept leaving. There isn't enough content to really bring people together. People joined clans to get the Dojo upgrade items then would leave. There are some core issues with the game that veteran players are all too aware of. I think they should have doubled down on Warframe instead of making Soulframe, but I understand devs wanting to try something new.
I love warframe played it with my brothers growing up. It’s free also so broke friends can play it. I know what u mean about micro tx but at the end of the day that’s how it goes w/ free games. At least they’re trying to make a new game, so I’ll give it a try 🤷🏼♀️
I love Warframe, but there is a section in the game called "Duviri" and the mechanics and combat in that zone kinda suck. It's a small part of the game, so it's fine, but Soulframe looks like an entire game of that "Duviri" section... Doesn't seem like something I wanna jump into. That being said, DE is still amazing, and I hope they keep attempting new things, because they have been so good to the Warframe community. It's okay is Soulframe doesn't do that well, because Warframe is still incredible.
As a Warframe player with over 2000 hrs I found this disappointing. I really wanted to like this but it looks like the combat will require a massive overhaul. They just reused the fast paced, twitchy combat animations from Warframe and inadvertently revealed how sloppy it looks when slowed down. Just doesn't work for the type of game they are going for here. I will say that DE devs have a good track record of listening to community feedback but I expected a better after all this time.
Considering it's only pre-alpha, and they are actively aware of the faults at present, it's likely to look much better by the time it officially releases.
First we ask for transparency from gaming companies, and then when DE gives us that, 11:51 is the reaction we give them. I get it's bad, but that's what comes with the package, and that kind of reaction is why publishers and devs love showing us fake gameplay that doesn't resemble the final product.
Yhea, now you cant skip Ad now and more Ad that last longer 15sec and unskipable. Been searching for a good Adblocker that works on youtube but some of it is lock behind Monry😂
@@whysoserious4274 ublock origin works pretty a good 90% of the time I'd say. sometimes it doesn't detect ads when I open a fresh new window, but after 2-3 new tabs it works like a charm.
If you hear legitimate Criticism and start crying about it, you're a bad developer. But if you take that criticism and start fixing your game, you're a good developer!
Warframe movement feels great due to the speed of it. Melee animations in wf are serviceable because you are already stacking attack speed. Slow down all of those things and strap a souls-like formula on that and you have a failure. Dark Souls 1 should be the baseline here, if weapon animations like backstabs connect better there, there's clearly something wrong.
The same feedback has been given about Duviri and operator gameplay but has remained unchanged so I'm skeptical. Seems like there's been a schism in the warframe fan base between the OG players and the newer players.
The floaty and sliding feeling, as well as the backstab missing, is stuff that is finished in the polish stage. Its tweaking of animation curves and making sure the location of objects is consistent in xyz space. Theyre likely getting the core functionality working well before completing the stuff thats purely cosmetic and related to "feel". If you get those things perfect right now, then change the distance of the roll later, you have to go get it right again. My guess is they got it "okay enough" for a demo now, but didn't put the thousand hours in to get it perfect because stuff is still changing.
For real I think our definition of a bad game is so far from what a real bad game is, and we butcher any chance of a game progressing and getting better.
I think in comparison to some AAA, it looks quite terrible, I like the art style of the world but hate the character designs personally, but overall for 2,5 years of development it’s all right, people are just being unreasonable, of course the game won’t be polished in any way at this point, of course, but we’ll see, also, why are people so emotionally attached, or is it that they just want to prove to be right? Society, am I right?
Like Asmon said. Most games don’t improve much whether it’s pre-alpha/beta or whatever stage the game is in. The game apparently looked just as bad 10 months ago. I would be really surprised if the release changes much.
I remember the first time of when the Warframe was came out, it was absolutely a dog water even from that time of perspective. Game play was mediocre and there is no contents to play for. Soulframe remind me this earlier time of Warframe and glad they respect that tradition 🤣
As a veteran warframe player (but i made a break) i still remember the weird feeling when i first played the game in beta. I'm really surprised how well it turned and all the change made throught the years
I hadnt even put two and two together that this was from the Warframe guys. Whats really weird to me is i read an interview where they said they wanted to stress that it ISNT a "Soulslike" but thats exactly what the gameplay looks like. A janky buggy souls like. I think theyd get more people to try it by embracing that term than trying to avoid it.
Why nobody is saying that before the gameplay clip at tennocon, the devs said the game is not ready, that there are some animation problems, and to not look to closely.
Warframe movement and combat pace is what a looter shooter SHOULD be imo. It sure looks weird at first when youve just played like Destiny and The Division, but as soon as you actually start playing it, just feels right at home - its just so so much better for fighting hordes of enemies, blazing through stages to farm certain items, etc etc. Pretty much the most "no bs" approach ever to these types of usually extremely boring tasks. Not to mention that the whole rest of the game looks objectively gorgeous (10x better than most mmo-lites out there), so that helps too. Absolutely no excuse nor reason for these other looter-shooter games to inherit all such traits from AAA cover shooters without changing a thing. Warframe is just the first that actually bothered to reinvent it somewhat, feels a bit like what 2016+ doom did for modern FPS. Soulsframe imo should just stop w this half measure weird ass approach and go all-in w the ninja type combat already. Its pretty obvious that its this what DE is good at, not trying to emulate slow tradional Souls gameplay. On a side note, looks like they hired JJ Abrams for the post processing wtf
I watched all the videos the chatter mentions and know that they absolutely did not watch that content. Anyone who calls Asmon right wing is objectively stupid and doesnt even watch his videos to figure out what his actual stances are.
I'm tired of these games that use a Reduced Saturation or Sepia Filter on top, that ruins the look of the whole game. The colors of the spells and the fire should still be highly saturated, but the Dirty Vaseline filter they are using is destroying the fidelity of the particle effects.
Streaming D4 is better content. TL is just a trash dime a dozen Asian slop asset flip MMOs that die in 3 weeks after release every year. Literally no one cares about it.
it's only been in development for like 2.5 years with devs who have pretty much been exclusively developing a single game for the past decade and a bit. pretty sure one of the devs also stated they wanted to flesh out the world and story first. you guys need to chill the hell out, yes combat looks bad give it time it will get better this is a beta
What is with the choppy animations?! What is with all those blinks and jumps and flashes, what's wrong with having smooth combat? It's like frames are missing from animations. My brain is constantly being flashbanged, that shit is unwatchable.
Never really cared for the games where you seem to roll fast but run in slow motion. Just makes the whole game seem to be "unresponsive". Like you need to upgrade your PC. Monster World felt like that too. Not a fan.
These people know how to make a good game bro. Hopefully getting this much attention will cause them to make some changes, they listen to what people say.
Ah cmon man. It's okay to like games others don't. I think Warframe is pretty dope, played it on and off for years. Do I wish melee combat and flow was better? Yes. Do I think it's the worst thing ever. No. Maybe I have low standards but I just can't agree with people saying all that was shown totally sucked.
@@eyesneveropen-meow-5125 you got that right, most warframe players i know do look forward to the gamr being better, especially the animations and combat feel. We all know that the animations are copied straight from warframe, and that it doesnt fit. Problem is these "tourist" who only come, see and go doesnt know you can improve upon something and that not every developer are bethesda or ubisoft. This is an asmongold video, of course he gets more views from "bad" video.
@@TrollBishbaalkin It doesn't help that those who aren't watching the original video, or not watching from the very beginning, are under the impression this is a "just around the corner" release, when it's still got years before it officially releases. It's still pre-alpha, and everyone who has been watching it closely is aware of that. They said so at the beginning of the showcase.
No release date, probably not even close and they are showcasing the ideas of what they plan on doing. It can be fine tuned but everyone going hard on a F2P game that doesn't even have a released ate.
Man I really want a remake of the original dark souls. But only if from soft did it. What do y’all think? Souls like games are cool, but from soft just kills it every time.
That's the problem. If this was a game by a new upcoming indie game studio - it would look "ambitious", and while still generally not good - it'd be at least inspiring with a hope for a better sequel in the future. Veterans of gamedev that created this team should do better. The star shaped flares look cheap and unpolished, and the jank of animations is... Sigh... It is much unfortunately their signature style, but in warframe it just wasn't an aknowledged problem because you don't care when you constantly fly around at mach 10. But once you slow things down, and try to sell it off as "grounded" experience - it just jumps out at you immediately. The backstab that doesn't stab the back is a pathetic showing.
This is the unspoken, godly power of influencers. Of course the game is nothing yet but now game is dust. Soulframe has a post about how warframe got to where it is and how it all started. How successful a game turns out to be is in the lips of Asmongold.
@@aonodensetsu Those aren't lens flares though. A lens flare is a repeated pattern of circles, created by internal reflections and imperfections in a series of lenses. What you're thinking of is glare, and it usually doesn't take the form of just one or 2 lines. This type of glare is just like astigmatism.
@@Notivarg maybe so and maybe not so, but most (if not all) games and pictures showcasing lens flare will showcase a star around the light source the circles are definitely part of a full lens flare, but you cannot say that this isn't part of the digital effect used, and that it wouldn't be in the settings under lens flare lens effect or not, it's a *digital camera effect* in this case
one thing i can always say when it comes with DE even in warframes case, they build universal mechanics that are suppose to fit into each thing making it feel extra jank. the times when it doesnt feel jank is when its customed to that thing. and this even extends to how melee and gun play in warframe feels like it lacks impact because they dont got the right kind of universal impact for all these things that should make it feel better. like im fairly sure a jet powered hammer should beable to have a heavy stun to a basic enemy, and im not talking about in situations it has CC resistance, im talking about a lone lancer that doesnt instantly die just has a "flinch" animation that doesnt interupt any action the lancer does. this is across almost basicly every interaction in the game. this is one thing destiny does decently well from only a perspective of just looking at gameplay, a lot of attacks have a reason outside of damage to use these. warframe abilitys are like the only thing that get some scale of exeption to this, not a lot but also not 0. also even turning off glare, theres always glare, forever glare, stare into the glare.
Building a game in a bad engine is like opening a restaurant next to a sewage facility. Both are avoidable mistakes and not the consumers responsibility to care about the circumstances that lead to a bad end product.
The engine is indeed really good and I'd go as far as to say some games might even benefit from the Evolution engine if DE ever sold it or made it usable for other studios. Like for example: 1) The black magic that is Warframes (and Soulframes) texture compression: Warframe doesn't even take 40GB on PC with all its content, tilesets, open worlds, etc. It's even compressed to a point of being 10GB on mobile without any cut content. While games like Destiny, Genshin, CoD and many more are struggling with filesize. 2) Streaming loaders: Warframe has moved away from loading screens in newer content opting to "stream load" assets when needed while playing to a point where Soulframe actually doesn't have a single loading screen besides the startup screen. 3) Performance: Warframe and Soulframe run without any performance issues even on older hardware, heck I've played Warframe without a single problem and high FPS on a 750 ti not even 2 years ago. bad animation work =/= bad engine
Just because it looks kinda bad, doesn't mean it plays bad. Maybe it plays like a dream? Not defending the broken animation, but game feel is more important.
Close camera games where it improves the experience : Gears of War, and God of War 2018, ironically they have the same abbreviation. In OG - Gears of War, the close up camera really gets you feeling like you're part of the action. The dashing and cover system just made this work so well. Now in God of War the camera changes a bit depending on the scene, but it really works well when throwing the axe etc. The best thing about God of Wars camera is that its seamless form start to finish, not a single cut.
It is essentially in pre-alpha and DE redid Warframe a bunch of times. There is plenty of time to fix and change stuff, so I’ll stay without any real judgement on it until we see a more finished project.
Thats stupid, if you already developed amazing movements in warframe, knowing that people love it why would you develop a newer game with trash animation and movement, tf😂😂😂😂
The two big heads of development for Warframe left it to work on their next project, Soul frame. Since then, all the polish and QoL people had been asking for across a decade finally gets added to Warframe. Should tell you a lot lol.
Ahah. Yeah. Warframe got so much better with space mom and Pablo at the helm
I know at least... Steve?
I always stood after watching a few devblogs that he had the vibe of "My way of making games is clearly superior"
I may come back to play Warframe hearing is a bit better now
That just means DEScott is a shitty developer.
When it comes to Steve Sinclair, he was an idea guy. He seemed to be the one who was always trying to add to Warframe. Railjack, Operator, K Drive, and other systems. The rest of the team had to polish what he wanted implemented. Scott was the one that pushed back on player requested QoL. But I am not mad at him because he was the one having to polish all these other systems Steve wanted in. He didn't want to take resources away to rework a Warframe when Plains of Eidolon needed to be fixed.
But it does seem like Rebecca and Pablo have a better balance and cadence on Warframe's development. I truly believe they both play the game they develop. I don't think Scott and Steve played Warframe much.
I hope they Change their process with Soulframe.
@@Seven7swordsbalancing act (managing resources) isn't easy when things need to be worked on with more things tacked on. Thanks for the history.
"You are ruining America." I'm just imagining this guy missing while at the urinal and shaking his fist in the air, yelling "ASMONGOOOOOOLD!"
After he goes outside first and screams dramatically into that midnight thunderstorm as he looks into the dark sky momentarily lit by flashes of lightening and the crashing roars of bellowing thunder. down right beautiful.
I always wonder what cause people admit that some guy living in the attic they never saw personality have so much power over them.
“Missing while at the urinal” got me giggling like a dang fool
How do you miss the urinal?
This gives me "DINKLEBERG!!" vibes
I just expect games to be bad nowadays 😅
Better than getting your hopes up.
Games haven’t been good since the 7th generation
i only have high expectations when it comes to From Soft, no one else can deliver like they do.
At least we heard that this one is gonna be free to play 🎉
If you expect low and get low you be satisfied. We should expect good games so we can trash bad games and not allow bag games prevail
Western games are a shit show now.
jeez that chatter has a severe case of TDS. completely brainwashed too far gone.
Actual schizo talk.
TDS really is something.
what is TDS?
@@eyesneveropen-meow-5125 Trump Derangement Syndrome
wtf are you talking about? chatter?
@@iamverybadass8667 Bro did you even watch the video?
Holy shit, that dude literally jump from soulframe to ruining Americe.
>Make twitch acc for 2 days.
>follow the stream for 2 hours
>getting rage about game
>loses, switch to politics
>get banned
that was funny lmao
I think it was the other way around, he was raging about politics, then went on calling him incel and only then switched on to the game. But yeah, the dude is totally unhinged, lol) He's literally antagonistic on every fucking point even when there was no point made. I often disagree with Asmon on a multitude of points, but man, this lil bro decided to go completely nuts.
@@great_based_one Just your typical Biden/Harris supporter. The mindrot among these people is insane. These are the very same people who usurped the entertainment and gaming industries and are now actively trying to foist their beliefs and ideologies onto the rest of us, which we've vehemently rejected dozens of times over, but they always double and triple down on it to the point where studios and companies are on the verge of going under. Ubisoft is a prime example
I think Soulframe carried too many things from Warframe over when DE were making it. In Soulslike movements should be tight and animations lined up correctly. You can't be having any of those Warframe issues where animations don't work correctly or line up properly because you're moving 100mph when you trigger them.
It's not a soulslike. Let me make that clear. They definitively said, this game is not a soulslike. It's an action adventure mmo.
@@Zynet_Eseled I quote Scott "It's a more casual approach to a Souls game, It still has the deep mechanics and the mastery of the combat but it's easier to pickup and less punishing."
@@digital-underworldisn’t that what an RPG is?
Soulslike or not, it looks terrible to play
@@whysoserious4274 RPG is literally one of the least descriptive words you could possibly use, try again.
I also like how the backstab did less damage than the lame shield bash follow up.
Who know, might've been running a shield bash build instead of a backstab build. I mean if the modding is like warframe then don't be surprised I'd some builds have light attacks that deal half a million killing a boss 13 times over and a heavy attack that deals 10k.
"Cuz it's not easy, and it doesn't deal a lotta damage."
@@SmittyWJManJensen "Not happy souls" apparently
Yeah, but he missed the backstab and hit with the shield, so that checks out)
The flaming of the idiot got me 😂
Love the example made to the "Guy wasting his life spreading discontent" Good is good, and bad is bad, I would rather have someone call it out as opposed to someone hiding behind the covers. Keep up the great coverage.... on all fronts!
Yeah l like the example that was made of that guy too. Do I think that Asmon holds a little too much water for Trump? Of course I do. I just don’t let it ruin my day like this person did. You always need to be able to point out dumb s*it even when it’s on “your side”. I generally agree with most of Asmon’s points and find him to be a pretty reasonable person even if I disagree with his politics. That douche at the end of the video is completely detrimental to his cause and makes people who lean left look unhinged.
games in pre alpha btw
@@Asdfqwerty12341 The guy was calling Asmon an incel because Asmon likes Trump and the guy doesn't lool
that chatter at the end is not going to live for too long if he keeps getting angry like that for no reason 🤣
If we’re lucky he won’t take anyone else with him.
@@xXGirthBrooksXx definitely has mass-shooter energy that guy.
Secret service should be paying them a visit
he loves making fanfict about asmon and trump lol
Cnn nbc typical viewer lol. Same talking points
I want the camera to always go up the ass of my character so that I can see organs instead of enemies. I just love to play that way. Or the camera can go behind wall, I also love to look at walls or trees instead of seeing the enemy I'm fighting. I love how this increases difficulty.
Tbf the latter happens even in Elden ring all the time and people don’t seem to mind.
@@acev3521No a lot of people hate that shit. Do you not see how many people say the true enemy in souls games is the camera?
Tbf, I personally would like it if the first scenario happened while playing Nier:Automata or Stellar blade for.... reasons.
@@BlackBlade51 "Wow, my character really needs to eat more fiber"
@@guskinmaypho174 we need this in the first descendsnt it would be so awesome
One of the worst animations in warframe is a takedown animation on an enemy larger than you. when it triggers the enemy magically scales down to the proper size required for you to grab it by the neck and stab them in the back
They fixed that already as of whispers of the wall I’m pretty sure
@@waffletoasted6338 eeyup :)
Might be talking about the first bosses that were released back in 2016?
A funny one in warframe was your dogs assassinations. it could trigger them on enemies that are like 3-4 meters tall and the dog would upscale to the same size as the enemy for the animation 😂😂😂
@@Robzi_1000Do doggos still become giants when on your RJ? 😂
Its Warframe devs.
They like to play it fast and loose with updates and iterations. They will get it right eventually, even if they have to uproot the whole thing and redo it again. Anyone who played Warframe from the start knows how many times that game changed its entire game mechanics.
Bro anyone that has played Warframe for over a year will know that DE will completely about face on anything on a whim. They've gotten better about their nerfs and buffs but they still can't make open world content worth a damn.
True. DE is one of those 1% companies that actually listen to its community
Remember when developers used to finish a game, and release it, and then that was the game?
Instead of releasing a game, and then somehow months later that's not the game anymore?
Literally two years into development and people are already dogging on it 😭
So everything they learned in 10 years meant nothing? Thats the excuse?
LMAO that guy at the end has a miserable life 😂💀
More entertaining than the discourse about Soulframe.
Warframe veteran opinion here to reinforce the opinions in the video -
Warframe is insanely fast paced and more focused on your ranged weapons and frame abilities so you don't really notice how floaty something like the roll animation is and the melee has always *been* bad animation wise but when you have 300% atk speed and can red crit cleave 5 people in front of you for 3m+ dmg it still feels good
Soul-frame on the otherhand is absolutely cooked so far. They've basically taken all of the animations, probably same engine, and focused the game around melee while also making the game 80% slower in every way.
Thats before even bringing up how the same particle effects and lense flares they have in warframe STILL doesn't work here. The didn't try to make a new game, they just made slower melee warframe and the pace fucks it all up because they can't rely on that to cover the jank
Veteran as well. 100% agreed. There is a reason why players despise both Duviri and Khal missions. They are both so slow that you notice every single flaw that you breezed by and never noticed in other modes because you were zipping through missions at insanely high speeds.
Veteran as well. I agree. Warframe is about speeding through the map, specially once you learn how to use bulletjump and master the rolling with it. You can barely look at the details as you move in and out of combat. The only way to save Soulframe is to do fast pace melee again unless they want to solve the issue that their animations and combat at slow pace is terrible. But if they manage to fix the melee combat, they can send that fix to Warframe, so I see it as a win-win.
The lighting reminds me of what J. J. Abrams got obsessed with lighting and absolutely everyone hated that. No one liked those lights and this game has way too much of that as well. They need to drop this sort of lighting system and I sure hope they don't use that lighting charge. It's outdated and I never really liked it in Warframe.
It looks like a cash grab. I bet when they did Duviri someone said "why dont we make a full game out of it" .
And the fact that they are making itin Unreal 3 is just wow. The game looks very outdated.
And what is with the main character in these granny pants ?!
@@Frostbiite59 Warframe is a terrible combat game but an incredible movement game.
@@christiany3698 it's not a cashgrab, it's free to play and do not bring micro transition, dumb whales gonna do what they do anyway.
To be fair, Warframe always had bad animations, but the gameplay loop always compensated for that, except for Duviri... Duviri's combat sucks.
facts
Until you grab 50 to 100 decrees and start killing enemies by sliding.
Warframe in general was pretty bare-bones in the beginning. What made Warframe so great was the continous work the devs put into it. I just hope that DE puts as much passion into Soulframe as they did with Warframe. Because then, we don't have to worry at all
That's why I deleted it after an hour of playing it ages ago. I hated how everything looked and felt, and still do when I see clips o.
Warframe is a very strange game. It goes from Third Person Shooter to Third Person whatever the path-of-exile-in-space fucking shit it turns into. The first half and second half may as well be different games.
"How dare you be RIGHT about the game. YOU may not have made the poo, but how DARE you point it out?!" 😂
People are too emotionally driven
in this case the game isnt even in alpha yet...... chill
And people are also right about that Eldenring's DLC is *OVERTUNED* and *artificially* difficult.
Just because FromSoft wanted to make it hard even for the few sweats who reached "maxlevel" and could put all attributes to 99. Just so that these *LITTLE FEW* would not have it easy to beat the DLC and then the average player got absolutely obliterated. 🙃
But hey... who cares if people like Asmon ( or ME IN THAT CASE ) are right and said
*_" Hey it would have been alright if the Shadowcurse would have only made our damage bad and not also buffed the enemies damage. "_* But noooooooooooooooooooooooo. 😁 They just had to overtune it and no matter how silent this majority of players is who found this absolutely horrendous... that is damage that is done.
And not good damage.
This is now a nick in FromSofts armor of trust.
Customers do not forget who gave them a bad time. TOO bad of a time.
FromSoft games are not hard.
They are hard but fair. And fun.
AND NOT OVERTUNED. 👏😎
This DLC broke the trust for the first time.
But I doubt that From won't learn from that.
F°°° the maxlevelers, nobody gives a flying fart about them.
@@LawfulBased what do you mean, ER dlc use different scaling system than base game so maxlvler (NG+7) or not, they will get shit on regardless if you dont actually explore and collect skibidi seeds... tho I do believe that you need to at least beat the base game once (get the char to more or less lvl100) before trying the dlc unless you wanna do one of those lvl1 challenge runs.
@LawfulBased
dark souls 3 and sekiro are also very overtuned and artificially difficult.
fromsoft is such a disgusting company.
For some reason DE execs thought "you know that part of Warframe we abandoned and nobody likes despite years of iteration failing to make it interesting or fun? Lets make an ENTIRE game with ONLY that!"
are you speaking abt duviri or ?
This game is dead on release
"DE execs" more like steve, rebecca and pablo are doing much better job than him since steve left, steve abandoned so many projects and added content no one asked for like railjack and duviri that even if the combat is refined, unless he learned the mistake, the game is gonna be facing same issues.
@@Ballerman-zo4wzRJ is one of the coolest additions to the game. It's absolutely epic.
@@GabeHowardd agreed railjack is great. Duviri on the other hand, was just treated as a side thing.
Holy that dude sitting 2 hours and complaining xD
tells alot about game, if the game stinks 2 hours in
@@kaimojepasltnah it was just an off topic rage baiter having nothing to do with the game.
They probably shower for feedback, Digital Extremes is a developer that looks out what the game can be improved by listening to the player base, it's in their DNA
At least one adequate comment among the sycophancy and assent to every opinion of the author of this channel))
They listen😂
This is Steve and Scott we’re talking about, they may hear you but they rarely listen what the community actually want.
It took how many years for universal vacuum? How many years for “better” bounty system? How many years “better” pets? How many years for Stalker’s back story?
Reality is they do whenever they feels like it, community’s opinions post little to none for them.
@@dr.wiggler almost all of those came from the new guard
@@eyesneveropen-meow-5125Steve and Scott don't listen, they didn't listen in WF either
Only when they left for the Soulsframe project, only then did WF actually start listening to the community feedback on stuff
3:49 Oh hey, that's my comment!
Ayyy
In a force video and now an asmon youtube video and stream? Can i have your autograph? 😂
You're famous now bro xD
😂
@Joseph_14441 Holy PDFile
"YoU'Re RuiNinG aMeRiCa"
Buddy. Pal. Your side has all the power right now. They've had all the power for the last 4 years. If you don't like the state of America, you're getting mad at the wrong people.
Don't think you have a good understanding of American politics my guy. It's not a dictatorship where 'one side' is in charge and are unilaterally able to make every decision.
@@sabihrashid252They could’ve made any, literally *ANY* single change to benefit his “side,” they they didn’t and he still blames others. Not a single ounce of introspection to be had.
Using a game engine as an excuse for bad gameplay is like a train company buying cheap trains that don't work properly on the routes they traffic and people excusing the company because the trains are bad.
Bethesda says hello
People should be complaining about Payday 2 then, since the game engine it uses is from a racing game :P
That chatter about Trump must have been Destiny. 😂
Lords of the fallen being bad mention within the first few seconds, best video ever
ngl I'm having fun with it rn, it's def much better than like it was before, it's not perfect but It's a lot better
@@bennydesu5807I thought it was decent too, until I fought the default final boss…
Game was well made IMO but it just never felt fun. I will replay it in the future with the new patches. Apparently theres less mobs now. @bennydesu5807
i enjoyed LOTF a LOT. idk what exactly you didn't like but you do you ofc.
Didn't he say he complained about it, they changed things and then it was dead? Wouldn't that suggest his complaints were wrong?
3k hours in warframe , and i can say this game is not what it looks like
what is warframe
@@1x1boop28 Waste of time , Just play 1-2 weeks every year for the story and minor grind thats it
yeah, rail-jack sucked. But it seems the dev team is on track now that they have been under new management for a couple of years? The game certainly feels a lot better from the POV of a returning veteran.
@@PaperReaper the dev team is on track now because the main guys left the dev team 😂
@@VariantNYC oh it's very clear that the guys who left were the problem
Just finished lies of p guys. Im so proud of myself. I got 6 or 7 achievements left. Im doing ng+ no summons. Scrapped Watchmen took me 2 hours this morning.
who asked lil guy?
@@DVRX17 Asmons a souls youtuber so I figured it would be cool to tell people idk.
Congrats. Kept an ending achievment to justify another playthrough when the dlc comes.
@@patrickboian8545 im joking mate, good for you
this was such a great game. My favorite soulslike. good luck in NG+
I felt like Reb was keepin Warframe devs in check.
The guy playing warframe, his movement was terrible and not a good representation of how a good player moves
ikr? that guy play like 10 hrs lol while i play like 1.5k hours lol who will i trust? i mean lol
Yes that is beginner level movement. Advanced movement does not look that slow.
He says he played for 10 years on and off but still, I had better movement 20 hours in. The only rooms I struggle a bit in rn are derelict orikin cus the layout is weird but other then that I'm moving at mach 10
True I mean for people outside of Warframe it don't look good but for Warframe enjoyers men I feels great the movement feels amazing when u know how to use it . 😂😂 One dude say the movement is trash and I was show me how u play on discord ... And yes he don't know how to play Warframe It just was walking mission to mission and 😂😂😂😂
@@ajjames1960 i have to say that guy in the video does not look like he played the game 10 hours.
it feels like he especially chose those bad moves i dunno why..
Dam that chatter was big mad and big dumb lmao 🤣 😂
Warframe has some of my favorite movement in gaming. The freedom you have to traverse the environment is in my opinion, unmatched.
Better than apex legends?
@@e13kid Yeah.
@@e13kid Absolutely
Titanfall 2 has very good movement and traversal.
@@e13kid easily
Remember that DE worker on many other game projects after Warframe that were summarily canned before an alpha was playable. They are trying hard to don't see this happen again, and moved the big heads to thew new one to make sure it will keep the pace the investors want to see. And what happened to Warframe? Stuff we asked for for years got implemented within the time frame these 2 heads moved to the new project. I don't think the new game will float because of these heads weighing it down.
This is a bit of a weird take in my opinion. I know people hate Scott and Steve, but Geoff is the creative director for Soulframe. Scott was also the one who made Baruuk who's one of the most beloved exalted weapon Warframes. Almost nothing has changed about Baruuk since his release, and it goes to that Scott eventually accepted the power fantasy Warframe became. Did he butt heads with the players? Yes, but that's because his vision of Warframe was obviously not what the players wanted. He wanted the game to be much slower, more methodical and balanced. That just isn't Warframe. However, that's definitely their direction for Soulframe to some extent. People think of Steve as the ideas guy who can think of some incredible concepts. However, people forget that his specialty is software engineering and game optimization. He's a programmer at heart and that's always been his priority. He's the reason you can play Warframe on Xbox One, Xbox series S/X, PS4/5, Switch (in partnership with Panic Button), and mobile IOS and eventually... Android devices.
We also know that Steve, Scott, and Geoff still work on Warframe, especially since a lot of the engine improvements with Soulframe get implemented into Warframe. Soulframe will probably be fine, but it'll take time just like Warframe. It's also only 2 years old which is insane how fast they're progressing with it considering most games of this caliber and detail would take about 4-5 years of development. Of course, it's because they're sharing the Evolution engine with Warframe, but that's just smart resource management. I'm looking forward to seeing how they take the feedback and improve the combat and animations, but I wouldn't discredit devs who're burned out on making Warframe after 5-8 years as incapable. You have to remember these guys who are making Soulframe have only made first person/third person shooters, so it'll take them some time to get it right.
@@thatonepenguinperson618Soulsframe has Steve and Scott. Soulsframe will be edged.
WF doesn't have Steve and Scott anymore, and WF starts implementing stuff wanted by the community. WF is alrighty-ish right now. Until Soulsframe goes under and Steve and Scott come back to WF
@@LudwigVaanArthans Steve and Scott still work on Warframe though, so it's not that they're gone. They just aren't in charge of the ideas anymore.
Rebecca also stated in the FPS podcast during an interview that a big concern with ending the Lotus Story was players quitting the game thinking the developers are "done" with Warframe. Therefore, they had a few measures in place to try and prevent player drop off as much possible:
1. They changed development teams before announcing it and gave Reb and the new crew full control over the Angels of the Zariman and Duviri Paradox updates, but didn't tell the audience. This meant any and all backlash would be targeted towards the old guard (Steve and Scott mostly), which gives the new crew some room to learn from their mistakes.
2. Reb and Pablo implemented as much quality of life as they could to gather community trust for the new team. This was an easy goal to accomplish because of how beloved Reb and Pablo are, but very important to make it feel like this was a new beginning for Warframe.
3. They now have 1 massive update a year and will downscale the ambition of their projects. The only content that can be shown is stuff that will actually come out within the year or soon.
4. Most importantly, Steve, Scott, and the old guard will still be part of Warframe and developing the engine further in Soulframe to port back to Warframe. This allows both games to grow together. Your point that Steve and Scott coming back to Warframe being the end is strange because they are the reason why Warframe runs so well and on so many devices. Their ideas are not the best, but their technological prowess is the reason why Warframe plays as well as it does today on toasters and modern hardware alike.
Just looks unpolished, they clearly have other ideas and systems in place that seem good. Tidy up the animations, general character movement, and redo some combat stuff.
it is in pre beta?
@@CheweyRoccopre-pre-pre-pre-alpha basically
pre alpha btw
@@Wagiii_oh then they have enough time , if they actually want to fix it tho
@@erxan4163 yeah definitely they have enough time.
The version of the game they're releasing to the public is still like either pre-alpha or alpha.
They havent yet touched the movement or combat since last years gameplay demo other than a minor change to the jumping animation but like... Not a *single* game i gonna be or even supposed to be 1. Filled with content 2. Perfect movement and combat 3. Visually perfect.
They're still really fuckin eaely in development and i feel like the amount of negative feedback is so big is mostly because they dont say or mention the development stage they're in with the game in the purely gameplay showing videos and demos.
I don't understand how people can justify shit gameplay, that's the one part you cant fuck with.
especially when its the warframe devs, thats like warframes best attribute
Gameplay is what sets a game apart from any other medium: it informs every interaction you make with it. If it's bad then everything else doesn't matter. It's like watching a movie while sat on a suspiciously damp couch: you're so uncomfortable that the quality of the rest of the experience just doesn't matter.
Mostly because its pre-alpha footage.
@@MrHeiska01 Why would you show pre-alpha footage knowing the gameplay is that rough?
@@Sc5chbecause you know you are still improving the game and want feedback regardless?
a bad game? from a somewhat established studio? at his day and age? shocking
The game hasn't been released yet so we wont know wether its bad or not no?
@@randomprozimity "The game hasn't been released yet" Sorry to hear about your eyesight problems.
@@OilFreeFeathersseeing gameplay doesn't automatically mean a game is out
@@OilFreeFeathers Soulframe is still ininvite only play test, not release to public yet.
The amount of cope in these comments lol
The meele combat has always been bad on Warframe too. It's hidden quite well, under the fast animations.
This is honestly premature. It is still in development. For a game meant to take 5 or more years to develop and they are already here in 2 years. That is to be commended. The game is not out yet. These are fixes that can easily be added changing a few metrics and dynamics of the engine with regards to the sliding effect and a little more polishing. But to clown it when it’s still in process like it’s already a finished product is ridiculous
Its better than some games in the genre for sure and whatever they accomplished in a short time is nothing less commendable. That being said, the game is really subpar, and the criticisms are valid simply because of the showcase, you can't expect that people, especially those who are truly excited for the game, do not give their thoughts to it. By uploading gameplay footage to hype the game you are not only building expectations, but also run the risks for the flaws of the game to be exposed. And the reaction to the criticisms especially from Asmongold is laughable like he somehow ruin the industry for his takes. At the end of the day, its just a one man's opinion.
Can't expect something good when it's half baked still
"why would you show this"
...it's a devlog? like literally that's the point?
grow a brain buddy. you'll need it
@@simonrockstream you need it right now so good luck finding one
@@simonrockstreamHe's not the one who need a brain if u don't know what is a devstream of a game in pre-alpha...
@@simonrockstream Go back to school Simon, you need it.
@@jamianobsolete334 So you know what it is, so now why would they show it??? you think devstreams are done for charity of something? It is supposed to be of benefit to the devs but this just makes them look incompetent.
"Only 2 years development time?, thats alot!!!" Kids nowadays are so fried.., its unbeliveable
Its Not normal to Release every year a trash copy paste sh*t like cod/ Fifa, incredible good games like from RockStar/ Fromsoft take years on years of development
Besides, it started with like 2-3 people, team grew little by little, with the studio mostly focused on their main game - Warframe
It's more of a side project that's growing into its own, people are clueless
They are reusing Warframe’s engine. Assets from Warframe are likely to be changed and utilized in Soulframe. Stealth is in Warframe. Parrying is there. Following a glowing npc is there. The “hub base” is there. Trees are there. Grass is there. Water is there. Like COD and FIFA, they aren’t starting from scratch.
While you are correct on the development time for Rockstar (GTA, specifically), you are entirely wrong about the development time for FromSoftware games. To my knowledge, only Sekiro and Elden Ring had development times that lasted beyond three years.
A lot of games before the ps3 era used to only take a year or two...
@@jacob-2271the scope was different then
the act man put out a video on it
You should watch it
It’s really well done and explains why
@@jacob-2271We are currently not before the ps3 era, genius.
Duablo 4’s continued success and Dragons Dogma 2’s failure are the reason that you can’t trust Asmongold’s opinions.
He’s getting old and losing touch.
That’s most games now tho.
In a nutshell, looks better than almost anything I'd have gotten as a kid (those animations are terrible though), but with lazy combat and almost no story
Just makes me appreciate Elden Ring even more.
Dunno why everybody is in love with the combat. That game feels horrible with with the input delay baked in and animations are also stiff. In the end it doesn’t matter, people hype it up because it’s fromsoft. Dark souls series was way better imo, bored out before reaching final boss.
@@buxus3770 Personally i prefer dark souls 1 combat the most.
@@buxus3770skill issue
"You're just getting mad recreationally" is such a hard line.
That pleb was so MAD. 😭😭😭🤣😭
yeah, Force doesn't showcase the most skillful play of Warframe - he keeps saying that he played plenty of Warframe but it doesn't look like it from the footage he's showing.
Just looke like MR1.
There's a reason Warframe has one of the happiest/dedicated playerbases. DE constantly improves/updates systems, so these issues are kinda insignificant.
Yup
Warframe is a game that changed a lot from its initial release from being a bad game to becoming a good game. The devs already said their plan was to follow the same route of releasing a small game and grow from there. Can they do it again? We'll see. They did it successfully once so I'm giving them their chance to prove it again. The risk however is that the gaming world has changed since then and people now announce games are dead even before they release. This can create a lot of bad press really quickly that can be hard to put behind as they move forward.
People have different expectations for games release in 2024 or after. warframe is okay because it’s 10 years old. I would never play a game that looks like this
I mean, Soulframe is funded by that Warframe money
"Surely, it will be good."
It's not. And don't call me Shirley.
Mind you this game is in early development. Knowing DE's track record it has huge chance of improving.
I got into the pre-alpha but NDA's are a bitch. It's not horrible.
a dad typed this out
Im biased since I play Warframe, but all of this commentary about this game being "terrrible" and "garbage" seems in very bad faith to me.
Like conviently ignoring the fact that "back when they showed the same gameplay" like Asmon said, the game had been in development for a single digit number of weeks, or the fact that they are leaving the invite only phase of the alpha this fall so now is when the feedback is gonna explode with more people playing, the fact that they've literally said combat is their single biggest challenge as developers, or the fact that last year they said no developer would be showing you what they showed because of how unfinished the build was and the normal process would be going dark for 5 years and then showing you a finished product but that's exactly what they intentionally don't wanna do. Wether it is misinformation or clout chasing it just seems the criticism is being very unfair from my pov as someone who actually follows all updates of this game on a weekly basis, just my opinion
It's unusual way of doing things and i think Asmon isn't wrong for reacting the way he does, cause he sees these gameplay footages as something close to a completed project nearing it's release.
As a veteran Warframe player, I’d like to say that this is just an excuse.
No matter what we complained about with Warframe, the part that carried it was always the combat and fluidity. They have said that the basis for Soulframe is going to weigh heavily on the combat. Like you said, combat is their biggest issue right now. In totality, the MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE GAME IS COMBAT AND THEY ARE STRUGGLING WITH IT!!
This gameplay should have never seen the light of day in its current state.
@@Godsbackhand7 You dont expect a rough draft to be an Essay do you?
Maybe they had to reveal the game now to meet some investor demands or something, but releasing footage in the state they did was a mistake.
I mostly agree with this point.
What they probably should have done was to invite out some content creators to get honest feedback. Or share the trailer and gameplay with them in a much smaller setting. This gameplay was released to a large group of Warframe fans which is just the wrong setting.
The devs were always very transparent with their game development. The new soulframe 'trailer' was just a showcase of their progress during their own live event, so they could get everyone's feedback. And guess what, they actually listen. Next few months they plan to experiment with combat and make a proper system, since this one is literally a placeholder from their other game.
its more of a progress update,
"You're getting mad recreationally" oof
4:45 I think no reasonable dev person is going to watch this and say : yup, good enough, ship it.
That's most likely a PR person stunt.
I really hope it's just a PR stunt to get people talking about soul frame even if it's a negative thing about it.
It's literally a progress showcase shown during their own live event. It's not supposed to be finished or look good. They want to show the game for what it really is, so they can improve the gameplay and they actually listen. They announced they will work on making actual combat next, instead of having the placeholder from their other game, which hopefully should be done by the time the open alpha comes around
They were showing a progress update at tennocon and people were acting like it was the trailer
We're witnessing modern game development, not just AAA. The people that sign the checks and greenlight projects, they just want to see a pretty looking game. They really don't care about much else. So Devs have to bend to the desires of the higher ups, sacrificing what the players really care about. Good gameplay. The more we push back, the more they'll realize it's a bad business strategy. It'll get worse before it gets better, but we have to keep pushing.
No, no that's not the case here dude. That's literally just warframe combat with some slight adjustments.
They didn't make shit combat here to meet deadlines. They copied shit combat from a game so fast full weapon combos end in a second with 1 or 2 mods and slowed it down to a snail's paste to meet deadlines.
@@BlackBlade51 I'm just sharing my experiences from working in games. I've been on several projects, this is very common. Then you hear the inside story from games like Suicide Squad and others, it's just how the bigger game companies work.
You have no Idea what kind of Studio DE is huh?
@@BlackBlade51 I have a feeling its just placeholder combat copied from warframe, they have mainly been working on story, lore, characters, environment, changing dungeons, etc
Soulframe doesn't have a set release date and is still in pre-alpha. The combat is definitely going to change over the next couple of years before they have an official release.
It's in pre-alpha state lol. DE specifically told that.
Tbh I think this is just how DE works, Warframe sucked until they worked on it continually for 10 years- btw idk why this dude used the WORST warframe footage he could find especially when he's talking about how fast the game is.
Bro like even in warframe the camera is bad. After returning to the game after around 2 years, I asked on the questions tab how can I distance the frame from my center of the screen or zoom out a little more as my fov was already at max. Its crazy how some fashion pieces on different warframes can affect the screen and visibility. Rhino and Kullervo are one of the best examples of that. I cannot see in front of me whats happening. The character is too big and the reticle is being obstructed by a shoulder piece or a gun animation. And yes I can take the shoulder piece and get like 20% better vision but thats not the point. I have to purposefully allign my character and center of my screen diagonally from the enemy to actually see whats going on. And in higher levels like steel path where enemies are everywhere and they introduced line of sight its a whole shit show that nobody is talking about. Whats up with that? Why cant we distance a bit the warframe to the side so we can have the center of the screen? Why cant we change the camera on the warframe to a setting where said warframe doesnt take half of my screen??? In orbiter its like a giant and cant see half of the screen... skill issue, rant call it whatever you want but I DO THINK ITS AN ISSUE
100 % Yap
I put thousands and thousands of hours into Warframe. Ultimately I felt like they were focusing more on Tennogen and Deluxe microtransactions and the quality of the game suffered. Also, they made a lot of changes that messed overly with the in-game trading economy Just my opinion. Many of the major updates fell and felt flat. This was years ago. I think Warframe is amazing for being free to play. Also, my clanmates kept leaving. There isn't enough content to really bring people together. People joined clans to get the Dojo upgrade items then would leave. There are some core issues with the game that veteran players are all too aware of. I think they should have doubled down on Warframe instead of making Soulframe, but I understand devs wanting to try something new.
I love warframe played it with my brothers growing up. It’s free also so broke friends can play it. I know what u mean about micro tx but at the end of the day that’s how it goes w/ free games. At least they’re trying to make a new game, so I’ll give it a try 🤷🏼♀️
@@scarletsletter4466 Best of luck to DE for sure.
Free games are usually bad, such as Warframe. That’s why most just play the better games
bro when is the last time you played? 2020?
@@matowakan 2022
I love Warframe, but there is a section in the game called "Duviri" and the mechanics and combat in that zone kinda suck. It's a small part of the game, so it's fine, but Soulframe looks like an entire game of that "Duviri" section... Doesn't seem like something I wanna jump into. That being said, DE is still amazing, and I hope they keep attempting new things, because they have been so good to the Warframe community. It's okay is Soulframe doesn't do that well, because Warframe is still incredible.
As a Warframe player with over 2000 hrs I found this disappointing. I really wanted to like this but it looks like the combat will require a massive overhaul. They just reused the fast paced, twitchy combat animations from Warframe and inadvertently revealed how sloppy it looks when slowed down. Just doesn't work for the type of game they are going for here. I will say that DE devs have a good track record of listening to community feedback but I expected a better after all this time.
im thinking its placeholder combat, they were mainly working on other stuff
Considering it's only pre-alpha, and they are actively aware of the faults at present, it's likely to look much better by the time it officially releases.
First we ask for transparency from gaming companies, and then when DE gives us that, 11:51 is the reaction we give them. I get it's bad, but that's what comes with the package, and that kind of reaction is why publishers and devs love showing us fake gameplay that doesn't resemble the final product.
fking youtube it's at it again with ads longer than lotr..
Adblock my brother, Google doesnt need more money
all the adblocks I put on don’t work
You got one that can succcesfully remove these ads? Cuz they getting out of control.
Yhea, now you cant skip Ad now and more Ad that last longer 15sec and unskipable. Been searching for a good Adblocker that works on youtube but some of it is lock behind Monry😂
@@whysoserious4274 ublock origin works pretty a good 90% of the time I'd say. sometimes it doesn't detect ads when I open a fresh new window, but after 2-3 new tabs it works like a charm.
@@whysoserious4274 uBlock Origin blocks 'em all.
If you hear legitimate Criticism and start crying about it, you're a bad developer. But if you take that criticism and start fixing your game, you're a good developer!
warframe movement feels amazing, probably one of the best in any game ever, I trust DE will fix those issues with Soulframe
Warframe movement feels great due to the speed of it. Melee animations in wf are serviceable because you are already stacking attack speed. Slow down all of those things and strap a souls-like formula on that and you have a failure. Dark Souls 1 should be the baseline here, if weapon animations like backstabs connect better there, there's clearly something wrong.
The same feedback has been given about Duviri and operator gameplay but has remained unchanged so I'm skeptical. Seems like there's been a schism in the warframe fan base between the OG players and the newer players.
The floaty and sliding feeling, as well as the backstab missing, is stuff that is finished in the polish stage. Its tweaking of animation curves and making sure the location of objects is consistent in xyz space. Theyre likely getting the core functionality working well before completing the stuff thats purely cosmetic and related to "feel". If you get those things perfect right now, then change the distance of the roll later, you have to go get it right again. My guess is they got it "okay enough" for a demo now, but didn't put the thousand hours in to get it perfect because stuff is still changing.
💯 and it pains me that people don’t realize this. Maybe they just shouldn’t have showed that demo tho bc the public don’t understand 😢
It doesn't look that bad, definitely not hilariously bad
You're right, until the jump animation 😂
Considering early Warframe, I'm sure that'll get fixed in time
It doesn’t look bad, until you compare it to every game in the category that’s come out in the last 3 years.
For real I think our definition of a bad game is so far from what a real bad game is, and we butcher any chance of a game progressing and getting better.
I think in comparison to some AAA, it looks quite terrible, I like the art style of the world but hate the character designs personally, but overall for 2,5 years of development it’s all right, people are just being unreasonable, of course the game won’t be polished in any way at this point, of course, but we’ll see, also, why are people so emotionally attached, or is it that they just want to prove to be right? Society, am I right?
The floaty animations aren't like warframe's animations... Warframe has great melee weapons as well.
hmm yes the pre-alpha looks like a pre-alpha
for real wtf was bro expecting
Like Asmon said. Most games don’t improve much whether it’s pre-alpha/beta or whatever stage the game is in. The game apparently looked just as bad 10 months ago. I would be really surprised if the release changes much.
@@sunnychiu3872 his word aint gospel dude, DE aint like that, warframe has transformed like 8 times already.
I remember the first time of when the Warframe was came out, it was absolutely a dog water even from that time of perspective.
Game play was mediocre and there is no contents to play for.
Soulframe remind me this earlier time of Warframe and glad they respect that tradition 🤣
As a veteran warframe player (but i made a break) i still remember the weird feeling when i first played the game in beta. I'm really surprised how well it turned and all the change made throught the years
I think the Almin guy was sped.
I hadnt even put two and two together that this was from the Warframe guys. Whats really weird to me is i read an interview where they said they wanted to stress that it ISNT a "Soulslike" but thats exactly what the gameplay looks like.
A janky buggy souls like. I think theyd get more people to try it by embracing that term than trying to avoid it.
Why nobody is saying that before the gameplay clip at tennocon, the devs said the game is not ready, that there are some animation problems, and to not look to closely.
Cause people like to talk about things without knowing contexts and create drama.
warframe is plagued with placeholders that never got changed after they said ''don't worry, we'll fix it!''
@@AdrianOkay No, but ok.
@@AdrianOkay tell me you don't play warframe without telling me.
@@varnix1006 5.5k hours and started playing when loki was a starter frame, back in 2014
Warframe movement and combat pace is what a looter shooter SHOULD be imo.
It sure looks weird at first when youve just played like Destiny and The Division, but as soon as you actually start playing it, just feels right at home - its just so so much better for fighting hordes of enemies, blazing through stages to farm certain items, etc etc. Pretty much the most "no bs" approach ever to these types of usually extremely boring tasks. Not to mention that the whole rest of the game looks objectively gorgeous (10x better than most mmo-lites out there), so that helps too.
Absolutely no excuse nor reason for these other looter-shooter games to inherit all such traits from AAA cover shooters without changing a thing. Warframe is just the first that actually bothered to reinvent it somewhat, feels a bit like what 2016+ doom did for modern FPS.
Soulsframe imo should just stop w this half measure weird ass approach and go all-in w the ninja type combat already. Its pretty obvious that its this what DE is good at, not trying to emulate slow tradional Souls gameplay. On a side note, looks like they hired JJ Abrams for the post processing wtf
Skyrim had bad animations and it's still one of my favorite games to this day. Who gives a shit.
Different times, different needs. Especially after some "masterpieces" (IDFK about what people playing now, so yeah)
skyrim animations are still above these they at least connected with the enemy floaty as they were
you dont see Bethesda making a soulsborne game now, do you. Different genre different expectations.
I watched all the videos the chatter mentions and know that they absolutely did not watch that content.
Anyone who calls Asmon right wing is objectively stupid and doesnt even watch his videos to figure out what his actual stances are.
Reskin of Warframe still feels better than The First Descendant
Just leave this game until beta. it’s still in development stage so it’s not going to be good.
I'm tired of these games that use a Reduced Saturation or Sepia Filter on top, that ruins the look of the whole game. The colors of the spells and the fire should still be highly saturated, but the Dirty Vaseline filter they are using is destroying the fidelity of the particle effects.
Imagine saying T&L its " the worst piece of garbage" you have ever played... and then keep waiting for the next D4 season... bruh...
d4 is a much better game overall than TL , not even close , game doesnt even have open world pvp. time gated pve time gated pvp , trash game
Streaming D4 is better content.
TL is just a trash dime a dozen Asian slop asset flip MMOs that die in 3 weeks after release every year.
Literally no one cares about it.
D4 combat is way better than T&L. Im a poe player btw
@@heaftysoul d4 bad t&l badder
TL is ok for GvG and nothing else, D4 is ok if you hate your life
it's only been in development for like 2.5 years with devs who have pretty much been exclusively developing a single game for the past decade and a bit. pretty sure one of the devs also stated they wanted to flesh out the world and story first. you guys need to chill the hell out, yes combat looks bad give it time it will get better this is a beta
What is with the choppy animations?! What is with all those blinks and jumps and flashes, what's wrong with having smooth combat? It's like frames are missing from animations. My brain is constantly being flashbanged, that shit is unwatchable.
pre alpha by the way
Its pre-alpha footage from dev stream. There is literally frames and animations missing.
@@LastSecBloomer they copypasted the combat from Warframe, a game whose combat feel is not a selling point at all. very cool
Astigmatism Simulator 2024
Never really cared for the games where you seem to roll fast but run in slow motion. Just makes the whole game seem to be "unresponsive". Like you need to upgrade your PC. Monster World felt like that too. Not a fan.
These people know how to make a good game bro. Hopefully getting this much attention will cause them to make some changes, they listen to what people say.
Asmon getting a taste of the Warframe white knights. Obnoxious little bunch.
Ah cmon man. It's okay to like games others don't. I think Warframe is pretty dope, played it on and off for years. Do I wish melee combat and flow was better? Yes. Do I think it's the worst thing ever. No.
Maybe I have low standards but I just can't agree with people saying all that was shown totally sucked.
@@RamArt9091 no im pretty sure the warframe guys are mad too soulframe's combat is just undeniably bad right now
@@eyesneveropen-meow-5125 you got that right, most warframe players i know do look forward to the gamr being better, especially the animations and combat feel. We all know that the animations are copied straight from warframe, and that it doesnt fit. Problem is these "tourist" who only come, see and go doesnt know you can improve upon something and that not every developer are bethesda or ubisoft. This is an asmongold video, of course he gets more views from "bad" video.
@@TrollBishbaalkin It doesn't help that those who aren't watching the original video, or not watching from the very beginning, are under the impression this is a "just around the corner" release, when it's still got years before it officially releases. It's still pre-alpha, and everyone who has been watching it closely is aware of that. They said so at the beginning of the showcase.
No release date, probably not even close and they are showcasing the ideas of what they plan on doing. It can be fine tuned but everyone going hard on a F2P game that doesn't even have a released ate.
When Warframe cameout it had pretty much the same issues, DE sticks by its games and provides updates. Im not worried
Man I really want a remake of the original dark souls. But only if from soft did it. What do y’all think? Souls like games are cool, but from soft just kills it every time.
May be something wrong with me, but it doesn't looks bad to me. Not astonishing, just avarage.
That's the problem. If this was a game by a new upcoming indie game studio - it would look "ambitious", and while still generally not good - it'd be at least inspiring with a hope for a better sequel in the future.
Veterans of gamedev that created this team should do better. The star shaped flares look cheap and unpolished, and the jank of animations is... Sigh... It is much unfortunately their signature style, but in warframe it just wasn't an aknowledged problem because you don't care when you constantly fly around at mach 10. But once you slow things down, and try to sell it off as "grounded" experience - it just jumps out at you immediately. The backstab that doesn't stab the back is a pathetic showing.
It's still in pre-alpha as well, so keep that in mind. They have said that they intend to reconfigure combat and the like.
This is the unspoken, godly power of influencers.
Of course the game is nothing yet but now game is dust. Soulframe has a post about how warframe got to where it is and how it all started.
How successful a game turns out to be is in the lips of Asmongold.
i think someone at DE has astigmatism and doesnt realize most people don't see lights in that way
lens flares are a camera effect, some people experience them to a small degree but it's *a camera effect*
@@aonodensetsu Those aren't lens flares though. A lens flare is a repeated pattern of circles, created by internal reflections and imperfections in a series of lenses. What you're thinking of is glare, and it usually doesn't take the form of just one or 2 lines. This type of glare is just like astigmatism.
@@Notivarg maybe so and maybe not so, but most (if not all) games and pictures showcasing lens flare will showcase a star around the light source
the circles are definitely part of a full lens flare, but you cannot say that this isn't part of the digital effect used, and that it wouldn't be in the settings under lens flare
lens effect or not, it's a *digital camera effect* in this case
you might be on to something
one thing i can always say when it comes with DE even in warframes case, they build universal mechanics that are suppose to fit into each thing making it feel extra jank. the times when it doesnt feel jank is when its customed to that thing. and this even extends to how melee and gun play in warframe feels like it lacks impact because they dont got the right kind of universal impact for all these things that should make it feel better. like im fairly sure a jet powered hammer should beable to have a heavy stun to a basic enemy, and im not talking about in situations it has CC resistance, im talking about a lone lancer that doesnt instantly die just has a "flinch" animation that doesnt interupt any action the lancer does. this is across almost basicly every interaction in the game. this is one thing destiny does decently well from only a perspective of just looking at gameplay, a lot of attacks have a reason outside of damage to use these. warframe abilitys are like the only thing that get some scale of exeption to this, not a lot but also not 0.
also even turning off glare, theres always glare, forever glare, stare into the glare.
Building a game in a bad engine is like opening a restaurant next to a sewage facility. Both are avoidable mistakes and not the consumers responsibility to care about the circumstances that lead to a bad end product.
Xdefiant moment
It's not a bad engine, on the contrary
It's not a bad engine bro, you're tripping.
@@Psycorde when it comes to tight and precise movement, it's not a great engine.
The engine is indeed really good and I'd go as far as to say some games might even benefit from the Evolution engine if DE ever sold it or made it usable for other studios. Like for example:
1) The black magic that is Warframes (and Soulframes) texture compression: Warframe doesn't even take 40GB on PC with all its content, tilesets, open worlds, etc.
It's even compressed to a point of being 10GB on mobile without any cut content. While games like Destiny, Genshin, CoD and many more are struggling with filesize.
2) Streaming loaders: Warframe has moved away from loading screens in newer content opting to "stream load" assets when needed while playing to a point where Soulframe actually doesn't have a single loading screen besides the startup screen.
3) Performance: Warframe and Soulframe run without any performance issues even on older hardware, heck I've played Warframe without a single problem and high FPS on a 750 ti not even 2 years ago.
bad animation work =/= bad engine
My easiest way to put it is that the movement looks like they are underwater. Why would you want to release that as a game
Finally got to the part where he destroys the NPC dem voter. Whata legend lolz 😂
Just because it looks kinda bad, doesn't mean it plays bad. Maybe it plays like a dream? Not defending the broken animation, but game feel is more important.
Helldivers 2 is a perfect example of the visual clarity problem. Aim downsight with ankle biters, spore cloud fog and low lighting is terrible.
Close camera games where it improves the experience : Gears of War, and God of War 2018, ironically they have the same abbreviation. In OG - Gears of War, the close up camera really gets you feeling like you're part of the action. The dashing and cover system just made this work so well. Now in God of War the camera changes a bit depending on the scene, but it really works well when throwing the axe etc. The best thing about God of Wars camera is that its seamless form start to finish, not a single cut.
It is essentially in pre-alpha and DE redid Warframe a bunch of times. There is plenty of time to fix and change stuff, so I’ll stay without any real judgement on it until we see a more finished project.
Never liked Warframe either. Straight to the garbage bin.
Yeah, anyone that played Warframe at launch/beta, definitely should have expected this.
Thats stupid, if you already developed amazing movements in warframe, knowing that people love it why would you develop a newer game with trash animation and movement, tf😂😂😂😂
@@Son-of-Malice I see that you've never used a melee weapon in Warframe...
@@Son-of-Malice warframe's melee is trash, it's carried by the movement system and the unbelievably high power scaling