Planetary Magic Squares [Esoteric Saturdays]
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What is the story behind Panetary Magic Squares? What are they for and how do they work? In today's video we look at the way planetary intelligence and spirit sigils are worked out on the magical squares, how they can be thought of as mathematical music, and why there is a Sator square on the cover of Mathers' edition of the book of Abramelin.
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Sator the sower, Arepo the plow, Tenet the holder of magical vow. Opera opens the mystic gate, Rotas turns the wheel of fate. (from Wikipedia's article on the Sator Square)
So sudoku are magic squares.
No lol
Looks like an opp. Must be an opp 👀🤣
But I went through so many sudoku puzzles looking for cool sigils.....
@@Sirach-pv5xv lol fr 🤣
Latin squares
We are fortunate you choose to share your experiences. May your practice always be strong.
As crazy as it sounds I'm 99 percent sure we did this exact thing in my elementary school math class. It was focused on adding the numbers to the same totals across the rows but still none the less. I was always wondering why I recognized them...
Yeah, I feel like I've learned this in math 😯🤨. Very interesting
Bringing me back to the fourth grade 😂
yes !!! I did it in 8th grade!! with Mr. Richardson :)
Yes a shout out to Aloixa Sinclaire. I simply 💕 love ❤️ her channel. Highly recommended
As always, your work makes the esoteric a little less confusing. Thanks FF.
Hi SMQ! It makes me genuinely happy to know it helps :D
Your presentation is faultless to me thank you for this
You will also notice that the magic square in your example is broken into 4 smaller squares, which also add to 34. The 1514 in that square is the year AD made melancholia. You have made it well more interesting now with the sigils and I am loving the connectedness of it all 😃
Liar liar, your pants are on fire! L
@@karlasnyder645 whae me'? Many a'time my pants have burst into flame. But not in this instance my dear' x
Beautifully done video. Ever since discovering magic squares, I've been fascinated with them. Interestingly enough, my first introduction to magic squares was seeing the famous "Sator" square in the liner notes of an album many years ago and it always intrigued me then. That album was actually what got me looking into occult symbols, and the occult in general, in the first place. So yes, it was very nice to see this video from you!
I've always wondered where the outline for sigils and such originated. Great video.
:) Quite fascinating, eh?
As Sufies we don't use the magic squares to use the sigils but we use them on much deeper levels. The knowledge is much different with us
What I’m trying to understand is if everything has always been planetary magic, with different names, and if the 72 names of god are all the celestial intelligences that influence us, the archangels being the closest seven to us, and if it’s as simple as that
@@anthonyryan9954 to us it is not a planetary magic, planets are juat an aid, for example i create a magic square for spiritual-development without concentrating on the planetary-hour and it wont affact the result at all by will of God, we concentrate on the will of God that directed through us, the power of the soul which are transmitted to the pen and the love of the high-spirits that intertwine with you to achieve the resutls by God's will. Second of all those are not angels it is a huge misconception within the Western world. Might be due to the misinterpretation of the Ismaili Shia who braught the knowledge to the Western World, where we use two words Angels, and spiritual Angels and those two words to the outsider are the same but to us they are different specieis. So the Angel Gabriel or Mickheal PTBWT those are not the Angles of the old or new teastment or even the holy quran these are the spiritual angels and we call them the higher-spirits,
@@hasanalzaabi8054thank you. What role do the planets play in your beliefs?
@@anthonyryan9954 hey Anthony, i appreciate this chat with you so thanks for you time, planets assist in magic as they are intertwined with certain spirits and dimensions and certain portals but they aid but do if you dont use them your magic still works when you are in a certain level. Planets are relevant to this Milky way, imagin a planet far away from our system with humans or any spirtual physical beings, then they will use their own planetary system if existed hence, eithrer different heavenly spirits or the same but different names based on sound, vibration, letters. Images, symbols, thoughts and beliefs. All them form the meaning and the interaction of the same spirit or the same portal. Cause you have to know all of the names are linked to planets, even the characteristics of the ssme planet. For example each Westerner knows there are seven planetary angels of each day, but we have seven earthly kings that rule over the Earthly apirits on these days as well abd if we say Tuesday is mars then we know the Tuesday's king has Mars's characteristics which manifests in your aura and body if you work with him may the Divine bless him with hus love. So do you see planets though aid in creating magic but they play a major role in intertwining with spirits and creating their names. What do i mean by creating their names? Actually if we say Gabreal or let alsyid Metatorn are what we call them in Arabic Istntaq, which means taking the names out of their meaning. Imagin we have a talisman and its the number 5432 so we know the spirit that works and embodies this talisman is called hghtshbael and based on the name then will know the planet and metal and purpose and who rules over this spirit and how to intettwine with it.. All love to you 💚
@@hasanalzaabi8054 thanks for taking the time. So wouldn’t you agree no matter what system were using and what names we use in that system (the single vibration/intelligence that has differing titles/names depending on the region/culture), that to use a square to determine the mark is an additional and useful rite, that to go from number to word to sigil and, to draw them say them touch them see them, is not considered some how a lower practice or less deep than Sufism? That everything is different all over, and like you said, it’s all the same, it’s all the same disembodied intelligences were accessing, so who’s to say which aspects/rites of which system are more or less useful. I guess your point is that in Sufism it feels like there’s a more thorough command over the process. I see everything you do as sound, and I can see you incorporating squares into what you do. All love my friend 🙏
Wow! Interesting, thanks for posting! I DO have The "Planets" by Holst! Thanks for helping me understand some of this. I bought the Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Name a couple years ago and wondered..."how the hell am I ever going to understand this stuff!?!". I'm a little closer now! So thank you!
Thanks so much!! I'd not yet looked into magic squares. This is a great intro for them! 😊
Ah nice! Yes they're an odd concept, but really good to know about in so many areas in your magical studies! So many of my questions were answered by finding out about these 🙂👌
Holst's musical elaboration in the Planets is actually based on Kepler's harmonies of the world
Kepler's musings actually go back to ideas attributed to Pythagoras
Fantastic explanation, thank you... and yet another book to add to my list! 😆
Thank you so much for this video 🤗❤️😊 I always look forward to esoteric Saturdays 😁😁😁
Good, I would also like to add:
1) Every square contains all numbers from 1 to row_size^2,
2) therefore matrix total = sum of (1...row_size^2)
3) and you would divide this by row_size to find row total.
4) The matrix order of these numbers is by trial and error to obtain correct row and col totals across the matrix.
Worth mentioning as I was puzzled how the row totals were determined until I noticed why.
9:53 That is Saturnian influence. Imagine an iron cross (with those curved and pointed arms) superimposed upon the Sator Square. AEON reaches out four times from the central N. Again, great work here. The Great Wheel is being turned.
I’m in love with this video
So what do magic squares do can you make money etc I'm about practicality and application
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Just found your TH-cam channel. Spent the last 3 days going thru your entire Esoteric Saturday's Playlist. It was absolutely fascinating. Just thought you should know you have a couple videos duplicated in the list. I have been collecting occult texts for the last 10 years off and on as I find them. Never really read them just collected them, but your videos have inspired me to actually give the study of the Magickal Arts a try. Recently picked up the complete Equinox set. Thanks for your inspiring words.
Thanks for the heads up! I'll go and clean that up now :) Happens sometimes...
Thanks for the kind words! I've read most of the Equinox online, but I bought the first issue in teh "Keep Silence" edition just this morning! reviews on their way ;)
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@@FoolishFishBooks As necessary as Gems From The Equinox was, the full set of Equinox is so much better. Keep The Silence did a fantastic job with them. The Magick starts in earnest in #2.
The sums of not only the numbers in each row and each column are the same, but also in both main diagonals.
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Great! Very good instruction video!
I love your content!!! Thank you. I always learn so much!!
Magic squares are also used to create sigils based on the planetery days and hours of the planets. I use them quite often. I use the magick seals for empowering my day based on the planetery day very powerful as it draws the energy you want to you. Thank you for the video and the books viewing I love your channel ☺️☘️♥️.
@Mom with Kids not everyday. I use them when I need to draw power for something specific.
Anything to help remedy saturn dasha and sade sati? Got sun mercury saturn conjunction in the second house and need halp :0
I love this! :D thank you so much for the explanation 🙏
Finally I understand what the number of squares means!! It corresponds to the TOL!
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I love that you brought up The Planets. My dad showed me the album not too long ago.
Thank you once again.
You're welcome, Ré! 😁 I'm glad you've enjoyed it! Say, Ré are you with us on the Discord server? As a member you get direct access. I ask because not everyone's using their TH-cam handles there and I can't remember if you're one of those I talk to daily or not... If you're not it would be great to have you. Just let me know and I can talk you through the process if you like.
Thank you!
Really interesting channel with excelent content! Congratulations!
thank you so much
Amazing as always .
Thank you
Amazing, thanks for clearing that out to us which aren't in the know. I've always admired Ritual Magick, divination, and all sorts of other Super Natural works. I dare not practice any of it, but I do like to know its inner workings.
I rarely feel the urge to comment on videos but I feel particularly drawn to yours. I'm truly grateful for the access to your content. As someone who's recently started delving into esoteric topics, I honestly feel your channel as a guide 🥺
Hi Aeleon, thank you so much for your kind comment! I'm so glad you're finding my videos helpful! It's a wide field, and it's good to have some basic background knowledge do you at least know what's out there. Hopefully that's what I'm providing!
Look up 12-tone serial transformation, aka Serialism!! It’s a musical genre of mainly atonal art music, and is constructed by essentially base-12 Magic Squares!!
The Music Of The Spheres.....
Decapitated - spheres of madness
Awesome! Thanks so much.
Glad you enjoyed it Shawn! 😁
This words was given to me from the SPIRITUAL HEALER
Excellent!
Soooo I'm not sure if it's of importance but 34 total isnt just vertical and horizontal but the corners equal 34 [4+1+13+16]
And center to and center bottom[14+15+2+3] as well as the center square [7+6+11+10] and the outer center [9+12+5+8].
Also the 4 squares with the square
[4+14+9+7]
[15+1+6+12]
[5+11+16+2]
[10+8+3+13]
I thought that was cool
Magical soduku....
So when I see "The Intelligence of Saturn" and "The Spirit of Saturn", what exactly does that mean? The most I have practiced is from Israel Regardie's "The Middle Pillar", so I'm new to this art and not all that familiar with these.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_intelligence
As Galileo Galilei said "math is the language God used to write the universe"
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@Adonis Trevor Definitely, I have been using instaflixxer for since november myself :D
She birthed the world
Great 👍 video as always
Yo, if you wanted a more contemporary Holst, check out Per Nørgard! He is a fantastic composer of orchestral forces, and uses amazing techniques such as the Infinity series and other mathematical and hyper-resonant harmonic structures!! That, and Schoenberg are fantastic composers I think you might enjoy, alongside maybe Schnittke for that bombastic atonality!
Where are you getting these wonderful worksheets? You creating them?
Yeah, I knock 'em together on Google docs before recording 😉 gives me direction for my train of thought.
Thanks. Very helpful ⬜️
At 3:27 They remind me of the sigils in the Necronomicon...which are spirits I would NEVER dare to call upon...When going through the lesser and the greater key of solomon there is consistency with the sigils of the spirits....but those planetary sigils....nope not touching those.
I've seen magical squares with letters as a newspaper puzzle. They used a 5x5 with words reading vertically and horizontally, but no palindromes. (There is only one solution for the top row of EXCEL, using the Scrabble dictionary.)
01:59 - this piece of art is named Melencolia I (one), not two!
Jupiter's square is by far my favorite camea.. It is also, at least in my mind, an obvious "blind"...
If you look at the Agrippa square, you see The sum 34 can be found in the rows, columns, diagonals, each of the quadrants...blah blah..
But if you simply swap place of the bottom two rows and then the two right columns it becomes panmagick.. In order to REALLY get it, for me that's not mathematically inclined, draw out the Agrippa square and the "fixed" Agrippa square beside each other and trace out the numbers: one to two, two to three etc.. somehow I doubt Agrippa wasn't aware of this... My own speculation is pending between He thinking the "real" was to powerful or that to be "worthy" one will notice it... Something like that..
On another note, thank you very much for an awesome TH-cam channel! I am myself an avid occult (& basically all forteana) book collector..
So you have helped me decide on what to spend my cash on several times, but there's more!
I've been sort of searching for a new "hobby" for a while now and thanks to chanel's like your's I am now seriously considering creating a chanel of my own! Gotta find a niché though..
Anyway, just letting you know that you're an inspiration! Keep up the good work!
I hate to say this but I only found this somewhat useful. It didn’t go into too much detail on how to use them. Especially in workings.
Look up sri yantra squares hindus used it before jews and its more powerful
This is the only math I want to learn and that matters to me
Would love to know more about the sator square and its lore
I too NEED to converse with someone about the SATOR double acrostic re: TENET. (not quite legally viewable, depending on where you are geographically, Christopher Nolan movie)
I asked FF about this, but was directed here. I'm guessing he want yet seen the movie (?)
SO ... Nolan is obviously aware of the Second Pentacle of Saturn as the characters, premise, names in the movie are all related.
Examples:
S A T O R -- lead antagonist (Kenneth Branagh)
A R E P O -- Art Forger
T E N E T -- Obviously
O P E R A -- opening scene +
R O T A S -- Freeport Company name, as run by SATOR
No-one I can talk to has any idea what I'm talking about. Short of Nolan himself, please ... Mr. Fish, or anyone, let us talk :)
Is Nolan Evoking The Second Pentacle of Saturn, or just stealing some of that energy made manifest?
@@TheGonzogibby check out ryan7 he has a video on this
Do you have any PDF files on diagrams and stuff you use I could print out? Or any suggestions?
I want that book by Agrippa
This is a part of my esoteric education that hasn’t been explored yet. My question is this: Since the position of the numbers in the square determines the form of the sigil, how do you determine the numbers’ exact place in the square? In your Saturn square “1” is located in a different place than on the Jupiter, and so on. So clearly there is no universal starting point. I understand the numbers are balanced and each row totals the same, but I’m uncertain as to how one determines the final totaled number in the square’s row or their positions. You mentioned 34 as a total for the square based on four, but how is 34 reached? Is Agrippa the authority in this or would another source be more concise; perhaps the video you recommended?
I’ve been studying the occult for years and I’m continually impressed by volume of knowledge you’ve absorbed as well as the inferences added that are unique to you. Always a pleasure, to watch. Thank you sir.
I love your channel! Very informative as always. What about when you use venus or moon kamea and you have more numbers than letters? How do you choose which number you assign your letter to? Thanks for help!
The traditional method is to nevertheless stick to the correct numbers which will be laid out in a specific way. Just ignore the higher numbers.
Are the planetary sigils placed directly unto the square? Or is it placed on the back of the talisman? Are they independent?
Fascinating!! Can you tell me where the graph/diagram (at 1:00) is taken from?
It's the Tree of Life. If you search my channel for those key words, you'll find some introductions :)
The first recorded magic square is actually the Lo Shu, in China, 2800 BCE... a geomantic diagram foundational to the I Ching. Being the unique order-3 normal magic square, it is the same square as the Kamea of Saturn.
Sri yantra may be older but both are super close to each other imo
@@roflswamp6 Perhaps I am ignorant as to what you're implying, but the Sri Yantra is not a magic square.
Just a thought---sudoku is a kind of magick square
Hello, sorry, i have checked the jupiter square, and in your agrippa book is wrong. It doesn't have the number 3. And the number five that you find on the lower line is a 3, not a 5. Go to check on internet. I just discovered this just because i was counting the numbers. Thankx 4 the video.
Could the Sator Square (and possibly sigils) be thought of as a mandala?
How would I spell the name of the intelligence of Saturn? Auguel??? I couldn't find anything w google. I really like your channel here, everything is presented well and is a pleasure to listen to
Wow thank you for this great content, my question is: does the sigil must always be drawn on the square itself? Thank you for replying
No, the square is just the template :)
Seeing Melancholia I made me remember "The Secret History of the World" by Jonathan Black. Great little book, has anybody else read it?
Review coming before end of October 😜👍
@@FoolishFishBooks Great news. I'm currently re-reading it for the third time. I shall patiently await your review, I'm very interested to see your take on it!
I have read it last year. I’ve learned so much of it about the perspective the ancient civilizations had and the way they experienced the supernatural as their reality. It seems to be that there was not a seperation like we know today in our ‘ reality’ . I’m planning to read his next book The Sacred History .
How to use the magic? For what occasion and how to apply this for any manifestation
Is there a resource for templates like you're using? I have a hard time making them on my computer and I figured someone was offering a free PDF or something.
I think 1514 is the year of printing.
That is what I herd
The sigil part was really interesting. But what happens if you try to make one with one of the bigger squares? Wouldn't you run out of letters before you reach the last nr?
You simply don't use all the numbers. The extra numbers are there for spacing only.
Interested to buy the book of Solomon....
Where could one find such a copy of Agrippa’s work?
00:57 What is that complex shape with 10 spheres? The shape where Foolish Fish emphasized the number 4 of Jupiter.
How does that shape tie into magic spheres?
This is the Qabalistic Tree of Life - I have an introduction video here: th-cam.com/video/BAE53Jqp5X4/w-d-xo.html
"Ah-lo-ee-sha"
So i was wondering, i work a lot with the Demons of the Ars Goetia. Does anyone know of a good reliable book that names all the spirits correct directions? If you know anything about the Goetia they have assigned directions, but in the book it only lists a few of they're directions in their descriptions. Any help would be much obliged
I think that was just a way for slave masters to tell their slaves to get to work in a clever fun way
Sower Arepo, believe in your work cause it's a never ending cycle.
Thank you for the referrals! I’m still learning all of this myself! Your videos have cost me a ton of money on Andrew Lang fairy tale books ;)
So wait would the sigils in the lesser key of solomon for controlling spirits be this essentially? or are they different because one of the moon ones had a face in it.
Hello, does Earth have a magic square, & if so what is it?
Foolish I had a quick question. I keep getting told to read “The Emerald Tablets” that it’s a good read but a lot to decipher. My question is. Which one? I’m noticing a few different Emerald Tablets books. Is it the Thoth one? Lol I’m lost.....again
The Emerald Tablet is one of the foundational texts of Hermeticism. It's very short. So short, that it appears in full on its own Wikipedia page!
The different 'versions' that exist are just different commentaries on the short text.
It appears in all compilations of the Corpus Hermeticum such as 'The Hermetica' and others.
It was written under the pseudonym 'Hermes Trismegistus', a pseudonym used 2000 years later by (most likely) William Walker Atkinson to write the Kybalion.
If you can find a nice compilation, it's worth getting!
Foolish Fish thank you foolish fish. I appreciate it. Truly.😊😊
So what does these talisman with symbol on it do? What is the practical purpose of them?
@sin baon get your shirt by underworld and iggy pop. Iggy knows 😂
I wonder if the numbers in jupiter square are written starting at the bottom and finishing at the top and im referring to individual numbers. I have been practicing writing right to left, top to bottom.
I don't think that going up to 16 works. It might be okay with the square of Jupiter, but with Mars, The Sun, Venus, Mercury and The Moon, it doesn't work so well. I think the numbers 1 to 9 are just repeated for them all, but my memory is hazy, as I'm just returning to Magick again.
What do you think. I am presently trying to make the larger squares work, so that they relate. Please correct me if I have missed something.
Thank you for the videos, they've been very helpful.
Thank you for making this video. Quick question. If I'm working with magical square of Venus which consists of 49 squares. If there are only 26 letters in the English alphabet, what do I do with the the numbers 27 to 49?
Do I repeat the alphabet? I hope someone can answer me. I just want to understand 🙏🏽🙏🏽
No. You just ignore numbers after 26, they're just the for spacing.
Is there anyway to make your own personal sigil with your name based on the hebrew alphabet or your own square curious how it’s created?
How would one use the larger squares for sigils, which go beyond the number of letters in the alphabets?
The lower numbers are used. The higher numbers are ignored. Just there to create space between the lower numbers. Simply :)
Interesting! Hmm I am curious to read more about it, perhaps there was some use made of them.
Oh, that means that the intelligence of Saturn means, Saturn in the 3rd house, most probably also reversed.
And in the sign of Gemini.
Yes !!
@@ChilliFedor i think it could mean a saturn ruled sign in the 3rd house like aquarius or capricorn
SATOR is related to communicating supposedly with ur HGA???
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BTW: noob (and unrelated (or kind of)) question but what is their actually to gain from doing the ritual in the key of solomon?
Assuming we're talking about the Key of Solomon presented here, and not the so-called Lesser Key of Solomon which is more geared to evoking goetic spirits, the goal is to create talismans. Talismans are, in themselves a fascinating and complexe topic un thinking of doing a video on in a couple of week's time. 🙂
Thanks. I’m kind of new to magic, and have an intrest in solomonic magic. And yes, i did mean the greater key of solomon.
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I did everything yesterday. Still hasent popped up though. You said it might take a few hours so i’m just wating for that👍
@@georgigulliksen2047 It shouldn't take more than an hour. Did you download the app to a laptop? Just using a browser won't work, neither will using the mobile app...
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So you did the 3x3, which has 9 numbers, 4x4 which has 16 numbers, I can presume you'd do the same for 5x5 with 25 numbers. But what about 6x6 You're going to have 36 numbers, but there are only 26 letters. Do 27 to 36 just not get used? How do you use the larger squares? Really hoping you can answer this. I'm stumped and you're the first person to even go beyond the 3x3 for me. Thanks
Just because there are more numbers on the grid doesn't mean you have to use them all. The numbers that are used however are placed in specific locations
Google 'square of Mercury' for plenty of examples.
I found your channel a couple of days ago and i cant stop myself from watching your videos! I dont really know what or why i am doing this.. I started off listening to the Kybalion on audiobook four years ago or so and i bought a copy which I still havent finished. I got Corpus Hermeticum which i've barely opened and i bought a deck of Tarot cards which i have no idea how to use. What am i doing lol.. Kybalion changed my mind alot but i see no clear destination on the path i am on. Anyways, im gonna keep looking at your videos and see what happens later down the road. You seem really good at this btw!
hi whitch book is that? thanks