Yep, the great analogue frisbee flying out of the truck window as you put another in after your first 15 hr shift was a common sight especially when hauling for a certain company running between Erith to Milan Italy (with an occasional drop in Paris) who back then offered a 24hr trailer delivery service between the 2 depots but with only 1 driver to complete the task!
Christ that must been a bum numbing experience i hope you got well paid for you prison sentence 😂,I only drop trailers in the uk so runs are not very longish .aye the Frisbee that's taking me back to the good old days 😊 now vosa doesn't even need to pull you with Bluetooth digi now 😡
@@stum8374 Yeah the 4 series Scania didn't have the best seats back then so you had to stop to slap your arse cheeks back into life 🤣, the new bluetooth digi tracking your every move and companies having cameras pointing at the drivers as they go about their daily work killed it for me, lorry driving was always about the love of driving of trucks, adventure and being free whilst doing a good professional job where common sense and knowing how to drive stopped you from striking low bridges whilst follow a gps or from being killed because modern tech now knows better than the driver!!.
Anyone with an ounce of common sense can navigate the basic tacho rules with ease, I rarely used a 15-hour day, but when I did I made sure that I compensated my hours at every opportunity, so that I would avoid long weekend breaks to compensate, actual fortnightly driving hours though was another story, I was weekended many times simply because I had run out of driving hours, but on European work that was part and parcel of the job, especially on food tankers running between France, Belgium, and Holland, which involved constant channel hopping
Exploitation would be rife in this industry if it wasn't for tachographs, I am a fan of these devices, yes the rules could be more driver friendly and use more common sense but they prevent drivers being at the whim of some dodgy outfit who will work you into the ground so they can make more profit or bonus, a bit of advice for drivers if you think you're employer is taking the mick and you want your full daily or weekly rest just tell them you are tired and if they want you to reduce put it in writing, that normally shuts them up
They're is an argument for both changing the rules and keeping the current rules, I personally am happy with the way it is now except as you pointed out, the rest required after a shift, it has always baffled me how we require lest rest after a longer day, but as you said, the dafftys in Brussels haven't got a clue! Let's not get on to working time directives and required brakes for expected daily shifts 🤷♀️🤦♀️😂
@kevw5557, the tacho laws have you operate within a 24-hour timeframe, for example, if you start on a Monday morning at 04.00, that is the time you insert your digicard, and you commence work, ok, and your shift finishes at 17.00, so you have completed a 13 hr day, so within that 24 hr period which will end at 04.00 Tuesday morning, you will have an 11-hour break, giving you a 24-hr timeframe. On Tuesday you start your shift at 04.00, but you do a 15-hour shift so you finish at 19.00, so you will have only a 9-hr break with a 24-hr time frame which means that you have had a short break which you will need to compensate at some point in the future. Now, on Wednesday you don't need to start till 07.00 in the morning, so by doing this you have compensated the 2 hours you owe for the short daily that you took on Tuesday, but it also resets your 24-hour clock, so now your 24-hours starts from 07.00. I hope that helps you understand a little clearer, please understand I'm not trying to patronise you.
@davidjames990 There is no compensation required anymore for a reduced daily rest, and it hasn't been for quite some time. Work on the basic principles of 144 hour rule, Start at 04-00 on Monday, you have effectively till 04-00 on the following Sunday morning, 144 hours, during this period and provided you take your minimum daily rest, 9 reduced or 11hr Standard, you can then take either a reduced weekly rest, which will require compensation for reduction by the following 3rd weekly rest, or your normal weekly rest of 45 hrs, and then start your next 144hr weekly spread. Hence why you can start at 00-05, do a 9hr drive and a 45 minutebreak, be back on on rest, take a reduced rest of 9hrs, and then start again at 19-00 in the evening, doing international Spain to Germany or Poland this is normal, plays havoc with your sleep pattern, but fully legal. The only compensation required is for the reduced weekly rest if taken by the 3rd week after the reduction. My point was you do a long day, possibly 10 hours full drive, plus other duties and rest taking a full 15 hrs, by which time you are tired, and you only required to take 9hrs off, shower eat and sleep aswell as anything else you need to do, just a daft system! But that's the rules, so that's what we have to work with.
Thanks for the info. I've always wondered how they work and why. I've now got a small understanding of tachographs. I drive a 3.5t van for a living and do not use one. Great vids m8 👍
@@thetruckerseye It's a pain in the arse m8, as is being speed monitored thru Masternaut. Having to drag the road in a 20 m.p.h. zone is embarrassing. I know that is what you are lawfully obliged to do but when police don't do anywhere near 20, well! + Sainsbury's reckon they are setting a good example, all they're doing is pissing off the traffic behind the van.
My Tacho experience is unusual - first I had an Iveco Daily chassis cab with a custom body (just over 4t) that had the Tacho behind the speedo - as I was employed by a military agency I was exempt from Tacho rules so never touched it! In 2001 I got a 7.5 tonne Iveco Daily with the Tacho chart in a tray. The truck was not driven often - it had to have an isolator so the Tacho didn't flatten the battery between uses. I had to keep a sample chart to remind me what to put where! I got questioned by my transport manager about the thick black line that marked when the power was switched back on - they'd not seen it before! As driving wasn't my main task I needed to hand in records of when I started and finished my normal role on any day I drove the truck to confirm I never worked more than 15 hours (that didn't include driving my car to work, or going home afterwards) ... so whilst I've probably still got an FTA Tacho rules book, I've forgotten most of the little I learned!
When I drove my first lorry it was on a log book which I used to fill in parked in a layby at the end of the day, when I went back to driving after a motorcycle accident that layed me up for nearly two years the trucks were being fitted with tacos many as a afterthought, the D series tipper I drove had one fitted on the dash in such a position the you had to be carefull when changing gear or you smashed your knuckles, I retired some 6 years ago so iv'e sampled the lot, all were a pain in the rear, the only time I didn't mind them was in the mid 80s thru to the early 90s when I drove for our county council on bulk waste haulage were we never bothered to use them, they interfered with our bonus to much, happy days not sure I could cope with it nowadays
TBH I used the old cardboard discs years ago in my 7.5t days and now I became Class 1 nearly 3yrs ago (after years off the road) I much prefer the current digital tachos. Current tachos are way easier than the the old discs as they do everything for you plus you find you have more remaining drive time as they only measure the time the wheels are turning as opposed to watching the clock on the old discs, so with the current systems things like urban driving become easier as the tacho defaults to other work when stopped at lights etc after a few seconds, those seconds soon add up into many minutes in some cases.
Me myself now we are out of eu it should be 14hours allowed every day and then get rid of working and driving time just 14 hours from putting the card in and have a break after 7 hours for a 1 hour break the another 7 hours then off for 12 hours then start again what do people think about that.
I find it a pain that every time I use POA over 45 min it switches to new driving time. I do understand that is known but not only adressed by the industry as it woudo be too expensive to rectify the software??
And yet if you go to the Tachographs motherland of Germany... they don't even recognise POA!!! It's classed as a break to them! Funny how EU rules that are meant to be the same across the board aren't 😂
@@ALMELMUSIC Picked up an infringement in a hired MAN which had an unfamiliar tacho mounted by the roof lining and with the cab light just underneath. Had about 20 mins driving time left so took a 45 but hit the wrong button when checking the time and switched it to POA at 44. Waited for 2 mins with it back on break then moved off expecting an imminent 15 min warning but it never came as the tacho treated POA as break so I carried on assuming I had missread the 44 as 45.
New driver or not . We still have enough to deal with . Phone calls securing loads drivers hours sour customers and keeping everything sorted like fuel it don’t stop there though . It’s a very money orientated industry . I think I’m done with the job
In the UK we are taught every 5 years about tacho law too. This is not about tacho law, this is about how the tachograph actually records modes in real time, something you are not taught about, Perfectly honest title as most truckers don't actually know how driving time is actually recorded on the tacho head. Thanks for your input,
Yep, the great analogue frisbee flying out of the truck window as you put another in after your first 15 hr shift was a common sight especially when hauling for a certain company running between Erith to Milan Italy (with an occasional drop in Paris) who back then offered a 24hr trailer delivery service between the 2 depots but with only 1 driver to complete the task!
Christ that must been a bum numbing experience i hope you got well paid for you prison sentence 😂,I only drop trailers in the uk so runs are not very longish .aye the Frisbee that's taking me back to the good old days 😊 now vosa doesn't even need to pull you with Bluetooth digi now 😡
@@stum8374 Yeah the 4 series Scania didn't have the best seats back then so you had to stop to slap your arse cheeks back into life 🤣, the new bluetooth digi tracking your every move and companies having cameras pointing at the drivers as they go about their daily work killed it for me, lorry driving was always about the love of driving of trucks, adventure and being free whilst doing a good professional job where common sense and knowing how to drive stopped you from striking low bridges whilst follow a gps or from being killed because modern tech now knows better than the driver!!.
Anyone with an ounce of common sense can navigate the basic tacho rules with ease, I rarely used a 15-hour day, but when I did I made sure that I compensated my hours at every opportunity, so that I would avoid long weekend breaks to compensate, actual fortnightly driving hours though was another story, I was weekended many times simply because I had run out of driving hours, but on European work that was part and parcel of the job, especially on food tankers running between France, Belgium, and Holland, which involved constant channel hopping
Exploitation would be rife in this industry if it wasn't for tachographs, I am a fan of these devices, yes the rules could be more driver friendly and use more common sense but they prevent drivers being at the whim of some dodgy outfit who will work you into the ground so they can make more profit or bonus, a bit of advice for drivers if you think you're employer is taking the mick and you want your full daily or weekly rest just tell them you are tired and if they want you to reduce put it in writing, that normally shuts them up
They're is an argument for both changing the rules and keeping the current rules, I personally am happy with the way it is now except as you pointed out, the rest required after a shift, it has always baffled me how we require lest rest after a longer day, but as you said, the dafftys in Brussels haven't got a clue!
Let's not get on to working time directives and required brakes for expected daily shifts 🤷♀️🤦♀️😂
@kevw5557, the tacho laws have you operate within a 24-hour timeframe, for example, if you start on a Monday morning at 04.00, that is the time you insert your digicard, and you commence work, ok, and your shift finishes at 17.00, so you have completed a 13 hr day, so within that 24 hr period which will end at 04.00 Tuesday morning, you will have an 11-hour break, giving you a 24-hr timeframe.
On Tuesday you start your shift at 04.00, but you do a 15-hour shift so you finish at 19.00, so you will have only a 9-hr break with a 24-hr time frame which means that you have had a short break which you will need to compensate at some point in the future.
Now, on Wednesday you don't need to start till 07.00 in the morning, so by doing this you have compensated the 2 hours you owe for the short daily that you took on Tuesday, but it also resets your 24-hour clock, so now your 24-hours starts from 07.00. I hope that helps you understand a little clearer, please understand I'm not trying to patronise you.
@davidjames990
There is no compensation required anymore for a reduced daily rest, and it hasn't been for quite some time.
Work on the basic principles of 144 hour rule, Start at 04-00 on Monday, you have effectively till 04-00 on the following Sunday morning, 144 hours, during this period and provided you take your minimum daily rest, 9 reduced or 11hr Standard, you can then take either a reduced weekly rest, which will require compensation for reduction by the following 3rd weekly rest, or your normal weekly rest of 45 hrs, and then start your next 144hr weekly spread.
Hence why you can start at 00-05, do a 9hr drive and a 45 minutebreak, be back on on rest, take a reduced rest of 9hrs, and then start again at 19-00 in the evening, doing international Spain to Germany or Poland this is normal, plays havoc with your sleep pattern, but fully legal. The only compensation required is for the reduced weekly rest if taken by the 3rd week after the reduction.
My point was you do a long day, possibly 10 hours full drive, plus other duties and rest taking a full 15 hrs, by which time you are tired, and you only required to take 9hrs off, shower eat and sleep aswell as anything else you need to do, just a daft system!
But that's the rules, so that's what we have to work with.
Thanks for the info. I've always wondered how they work and why. I've now got a small understanding of tachographs. I drive a 3.5t van for a living and do not use one. Great vids m8 👍
Thanks very much. Is it a LWB transit type or a bit bigger?
@@thetruckerseye It's a Merc Sprinter. I do online grocery delivery for Sainsbury's.
@@conversemackem8653 ah yes. I bet you love the 56mph limiter!
@@thetruckerseye It's a pain in the arse m8, as is being speed monitored thru Masternaut. Having to drag the road in a 20 m.p.h. zone is embarrassing. I know that is what you are lawfully obliged to do but when police don't do anywhere near 20, well! + Sainsbury's reckon they are setting a good example, all they're doing is pissing off the traffic behind the van.
My Tacho experience is unusual - first I had an Iveco Daily chassis cab with a custom body (just over 4t) that had the Tacho behind the speedo - as I was employed by a military agency I was exempt from Tacho rules so never touched it!
In 2001 I got a 7.5 tonne Iveco Daily with the Tacho chart in a tray. The truck was not driven often - it had to have an isolator so the Tacho didn't flatten the battery between uses. I had to keep a sample chart to remind me what to put where! I got questioned by my transport manager about the thick black line that marked when the power was switched back on - they'd not seen it before!
As driving wasn't my main task I needed to hand in records of when I started and finished my normal role on any day I drove the truck to confirm I never worked more than 15 hours (that didn't include driving my car to work, or going home afterwards) ... so whilst I've probably still got an FTA Tacho rules book, I've forgotten most of the little I learned!
When I drove my first lorry it was on a log book which I used to fill in parked in a layby at the end of the day, when I went back to driving after a motorcycle accident that layed me up for nearly two years the trucks were being fitted with tacos many as a afterthought, the D series tipper I drove had one fitted on the dash in such a position the you had to be carefull when changing gear or you smashed your knuckles, I retired some 6 years ago so iv'e sampled the lot, all were a pain in the rear, the only time I didn't mind them was in the mid 80s thru to the early 90s when I drove for our county council on bulk waste haulage were we never bothered to use them, they interfered with our bonus to much, happy days not sure I could cope with it nowadays
TBH I used the old cardboard discs years ago in my 7.5t days and now I became Class 1 nearly 3yrs ago (after years off the road) I much prefer the current digital tachos. Current tachos are way easier than the the old discs as they do everything for you plus you find you have more remaining drive time as they only measure the time the wheels are turning as opposed to watching the clock on the old discs, so with the current systems things like urban driving become easier as the tacho defaults to other work when stopped at lights etc after a few seconds, those seconds soon add up into many minutes in some cases.
Me myself now we are out of eu it should be 14hours allowed every day and then get rid of working and driving time just 14 hours from putting the card in and have a break after 7 hours for a 1 hour break the another 7 hours then off for 12 hours then start again what do people think about that.
You should stop drinking!
I find it a pain that every time I use POA over 45 min it switches to new driving time.
I do understand that is known but not only adressed by the industry as it woudo be too expensive to rectify the software??
And yet if you go to the Tachographs motherland of Germany... they don't even recognise POA!!! It's classed as a break to them! Funny how EU rules that are meant to be the same across the board aren't 😂
@@ALMELMUSIC Picked up an infringement in a hired MAN which had an unfamiliar tacho mounted by the roof lining and with the cab light just underneath. Had about 20 mins driving time left so took a 45 but hit the wrong button when checking the time and switched it to POA at 44. Waited for 2 mins with it back on break then moved off expecting an imminent 15 min warning but it never came as the tacho treated POA as break so I carried on assuming I had missread the 44 as 45.
Yes the rules are too complicated and rigid.
New driver or not . We still have enough to deal with . Phone calls securing loads drivers hours sour customers and keeping everything sorted like fuel it don’t stop there though . It’s a very money orientated industry . I think I’m done with the job
12 hours on 12 hours off 😁
They should simple the tachograph
It would certainly be easier for newer drivers, that is for sure! Then again, it would be easier for some older drivers too!
In the EU we are taught every 5 years about taco law etc, so how can truckers and coach drivers not have the knowledge. BS click bait title.
In the UK we are taught every 5 years about tacho law too. This is not about tacho law, this is about how the tachograph actually records modes in real time, something you are not taught about, Perfectly honest title as most truckers don't actually know how driving time is actually recorded on the tacho head. Thanks for your input,
@thetruckerseye as a UK tacho holder and coach driver we are taught every 5 years how it actually record's. Your title is a little misleading.