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What about cloud enigmorphs and what if not canon furture hologram was got corrupted? And a 4 type neutral or mysterious type can't put into the 3 types
The spectral type from the astral plane and evolution without being corrupt by their power like friendship
Through quick maths, it seems you did way over 100 fakemon for the region. Counted first row, 9, then multiplied by number of full rows I counted, 13. This alone makes it over 100. +4 for last row. Total of 121.
i can't wait for more of this its amazzballs keep up the good work my friend
This is so cool, like an open world SMT pokemon cuthlu mash up.
I love the idea for each typing having subtypes, although I'd rename the 'flying' type to something like 'aerial' I feel it better fits in with the rest of the type names (it's not like the aquatic type is called the swimming type lol) also it separates it further from Pokémon terminology
I agree. The Flying type in pokemon is weird since it's supposed to be the wind/aerial type, but their use of the term "flying" has kind of put them into a weird place for future designs. I think it would be better to focus on the more wind elemental aspect rather than "bird"
Ooo.. I like this idea, fits more to the theme. I hope jack notices this comment!
@@Atommic. YES that is something that drives me crazy with Pokemon. Birds are great, but we'll never see a bird that is both fire and psychic.
it depends on if the typings is based on elemental or creature characteristics. thats the thing with typings is that to be different than pkmn you should think of a theming for your own. pkmn does a combination of elemental, with 'creature' typings like bug flying n dragons mixed in. alongside rock ground and steel showing a love for rocks too, or maybe more so nature with grass and poison existing too.
but to be relavent i think id prefer a more bird like typing since its under the 'creature' typing to begin with. wind, aerial, or even bird lol
I was thinking the same thing. I'd probably change a couple of the names to be more representative of the themes that the evolutions/further corruptions seem to be going for. Like your example, Flying to Aerial, I would change Dark to Grim, Fire to Heat, and Electric to Power. In my opinion these fit more with the idea of corruption upon the existing world and the ways in which the original types (Flora, Fauna and Construct) change.
I absolutely adore the “cycle” of evolution vs the straight line approach. Evolution is fluid, and being able to revert and grow depending on what best suits their environment fits the concept of something trying to find its place in this confusing world so well. It feels nice. I’m obsessed. Tell me more forever, Subjectively.
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Sounds like the digimon cyber sleuth style of evolution
So theoretically all versions of a creature in this game would be viable right, not just their apex form? That alone seems like a massive undertaking
Mmmmmmm but there should be situations where the base form Is more advantajus of the last form
Also the Linear desine works because It represents the work that you put in evolving that Pokémon.
The idea Is really cool, but some edges Need to be smothed 🤔
YES! Just YEEEES!!!
"people who want answers more than they want the truth" is a brilliant writing prompt
If you're looking for ideas on how to do type interactions, try looking at Cassette Beasts and how they do elements. They have a type chart, but instead of increased damage, attacks cause reactions that grant buffs or debuffs based on which type attacked which. For example, Fire type attacks melt Ice types and turn them into Water types, Metal attacks break through Earth types to weaken their defenses, and Plastic types absorb Electric attacks causing static that damages others on contact. It's way more interesting than just a flat damage bonus. Check it out if you haven't already!
i might check out cassette beasts on this recommendation, monster sanctuary is more of an across than expansion of monster collectors too. I like it's pure triples and synergy playstyle. very fun metroidvania as well
I feel there should be, at the very least, hard type resistances. In Cassette Beasts is really easy to overpower any battle through sheer "stab" (blank type) attacks hitting neutral targets.
Yeah I love cassette beast’s system, it really felt like a fresh take on the genre.
@@SinNun-tx5jp True, I think they went with it though because they really weren't thinking much about balance as a priority because they weren't intending it as multiplayer
YES THE CHEMISTRY SYSTEM IS SO GOOOOOD
A possible idea could be to have the Apex Types interact with each other in the opposite order to their respective Nascent Types; Daemon is strong against Immortal, Immortal strong against Fae, Fae strong against Daemon
Either way, incredibly excited to see more of this setting grow!
I was thinking the same thing!
Building off the type triangles going in different directions to the main triangle, I'd be interested how the Harbinger types would interact with each other. Like, would they all behave similarly to the Nascent types, the opposite direction you're proposing for the Apex types, or would there be a mix of both directions? Heck, I think it'd be cool if the Harbinger types of one group had interactions among themselves as well. So many possibilities, and now's the time for spitballing them.
@@vincentleonard3797 I think the Harbinger types should definitely interact together and against the other type trios, maybe not in a direct circle like the Nascent types but each type having two strengths and two weaknesses etc would help keep things balanced somewhat
Fae are notoriously weak against iron. It works
I wrote in my own comment but I'll add here as well.
Something I think can be cool with the sub types is if they will act more like a quirk rather than typing. Let's say hitting for super effective deals 2X damage, hitting none effective deals 0.5X damage. EDIT: while writing this I had a tactics combat system in mind rather than the traditional turn based RPG combat system. I think mechanically it doesn't need much changing to fit traditional turn based combat.
Construct types are specializers. Their sub types are focused around the other two types. Best described as "The right tool for the right job".
Light will add a chance to blind Fauna and their sub types, but Flora and their sub types will have a chance to heal when hitting them.
Electric will always shock Fauna + sub types, but Flora + sub types are immune to it.
Fire will switch the type match up, being more effective against Flora+ while being not effective against Fauna+.
Flora types are focused on self growth and time work in their favor. Flora must be nourished and are a menace if they take root.
Acid reduce the defensive stats of opponents on hit, but take self damage as well.
Bloom heal over time, but defense stats are reduced.
Fungal increase their defense, but are slower.
Fauna make use of the terrain better than anyone. Their more developed brain allow them to think outside the box and their flexible muscles allows to move around more effectively.
Aquatic both deal more damage and are harder to hit while in water, but once outside the water they take twice as much damage from any hit.
Dark are masters of sneak attack. They hit twice as hard from behind opponents or in dark areas, but are slow in the light and hit 0.5X damage from the front.
Flying are immune to melee attacks while in the air, but projectile based attacks cause them to fall on the ground and rest for a turn.
The apex types keep quirks if they had any and ignore the type chart. Meaning they deal and take the same amount of damage regardless of typing.
I wasn't sure about how some of the Enegmorphs have the punny Pokemon esc names, but then I realized that those are the ones formed on earth, so the humans probably named them that, which is adorable and I love it now.
Humans will always name stuff.
I think the names feel kind of out of place and off theme for me. I love the designs but these Pokemon ass names feel like a missed opportunity to do something better.
@@Lazermoowus same, this series seems to have a more serious, no nonsense theme than a whimsical fantasy like pokemon. In such world people's main reaction to these things probably won't be "aww, cute little weird thing, need a cute name" but more likely "oh god what in the hell is that???"
I guess He's been working with fakemon too much to completely shake that mindset off for this one
@@Lazermoowus I strongly disagree. Names are important and catchy, punny names help to immediately illicit the right image in the reader's mind. If they all had "serious" names, they'd be either dry and descriptive and boring, or eldritch gibberish that no one can remember. I'm about 1/3 satisfied with the nine names in this particular video, they could be better, but I can immediately remember what a Perpecktual is without naming it something generic like "Omen Crow."
@@slimetank394 There's probably a middle ground that could be found. Like humans are historically pretty terrible at coming up with interesting names ("Loch Ness monster" is straight up named after the lake they found it, or how "Ra", the egyptian sun god, is literally named after the egyptian word for sun) so I think naming creatures after what they are, where they're found is very in line, and what they represent is very in line. However, I DO think that having names that are too cutesy or punny could be a problem, so names like Woewhorl cycle are perfectly ok, but names like borebark cycle feel too on the nose. These names atleast are a good start imo.
You just fixed the whole issue with people only liking maybe one or two stages in a three stage evolution line without feeling like they are holding themselves back power wise. Absolutely genius.
There's a fakemon game that did this! Pokemon Xenoverse lets you keep baby form and transform into 3 others
What about people that like it when the typing change and would prefer those that do evolve in their typing as well?
I had an idea for two other types you could add in- Parasitic and Decay. Decay would be a typing where the enigmorph, for one reason or another, dies and the body is subsequently taken over by bacteria, fungi and/or natural processes like rust and erosion. The magic that originally invaded the creature would still be present, and thus the body still moves and possess great abilities despite what has happened to it. And then as for Parasitic type, I imagine that the enigmorph would start out as some sort of worm or insect in its stage 1, perhaps not even as a parasite type yet, which then invades the body of another, non-enigmorph creature. The parasite takes over the body of the host, and the two become intertwined giving them both a parasitic typing, and transforming the host.
Nice, What about an Angelic type to go with the Daemon type 😇/😈
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Untamed balancer here, Thinking about the evolution cycles. After initially unlocking the type, it would be really cool to be able to switch between these types mid battle especially since each form is different yet equally strong being able to switch. Between formes during tides of the battle could open up interesting strategy
For example lets say Woewhirl is fast, Perpeektual is damaging, and Forefeather is bulky. They arent necessarily stronger than one another because they do different things. We could take this a step further by making whatever moves they have change with their form. Maybe Woewhorl is a fast disruptor with support moves that would confuse the enemy, somerhing like Taunt or Encore would do in pokemon. These move would change to powerful offensive attacks once woe whirl evolves into Perpeek, and once it evolves again into Forefeather into moves that let it recover HP and damage over time.
This is a really cool idea and I think it would help differentiate the evolution system (in concept) away from Digimon by giving more clear advantages and uses to evolving and devolving :)
"We could take this a step further by making whatever moves they have changed with their form."
- Based on Pokemon, if there's a 4 moves system, I'm thinking of a fixed pool within all forms (let's say 2) with an added 2 permutable based on the form would be really interesting in this context.
Oh this is lovely! I think it would be cool. I think it would work to also get the player to form a stronger relationship with their enigmorph!
Like, there's a certain type of pokemon player (me included) that gets very attached to just a few of the pokemon in the party of 6, even if they try to form attachment to the others. But then in battle they end up just defaulting to one and then only switching in the back one or two in the party at times when they have a really bad type matchup. They end up just feeling like third wheels. I think this which you point out + a more equal type matchup structure (which seems like what Jack is going for) would allow for a smaller party of creatures that you get even more attached to than pokemon!
(Maybe there could be like an item that you do a quest for in the game to expand the party so that you can have the more party-members-play-style some players prefer (maybe with a tiny debuff to balance with the expanded type-matchup-ability of the bigger party? Or have the side quest take alot of effort?? Idk maybe you have an idea of how to balance a like 4 member party vs a 6 member party)
I think this could make the game pretty fun even with only a few enigmorphs(Compared to Pokemon).
If all the ones with multiple forms can be used as different entities!
This brings up the question of if they could perform a move after switching forms, or use up a turn to change. Or if it depends on the individual enigmorph. Like if they need to meet certain conditions to switch forms or if there are penalties to changing into a particular form along with the benefits during battle.
Definitely some things to consider.
I'm not a pokemon fan, even the art style isn't something I usually enjoy, but I ended up watching your entire mazah region series because I loved hearing about your art process and how you thought of your concepts. THIS! This is more my style. I'm so excited to see you build an entirely different world.
Came for the high level fakemon designs, stayed for the ever-improving quality of the visuals, art, editing, and overall video presentation! Your stuff has really improved lately, huge kudos to both Jack and Claire for all the great work
This game concept has a very strong mood and consistent art direction so far. I’m impressed.
The entire multibeaked corvid cycle is so good actually I love them
Some thoughts:
1) Given that the words flora and fauna come from Latin words beginning with F, you could rename constructs to Funda or Facta.
2) Regarding the middle types, combining acid and fungal into decay/rot might make sense. Perhaps a wood type for monsters with hardened exteriors? Light might make more sense as radiation given the theming. Flying might also be quite limiting, so you could replace it with Polar, for creatures that dwell in cold mountains and bring the chilling fear of winter.
Yeah "Construct" really sticks out, I'm on team "Faveo". Favonius was a mythological figure just like Flora and Fauna, being married to the former. He was the god of the west wind so a good fit for a category that's meant to include sentient inanimate items.
The secondary types need some work. I like that there's the recurring sets of 3s (except cosmic and spectral ugh) but they should be reworked to be more creative. I like the idea of incorporating the lore somehow like with mortal vices but there are a lot of unique ideas in the comments.
From what I saw in the setting, polar would be out of place or limited to a single area in this game. It would probably work better as a sub-element if those are added
Change Light into Radiant type, as it can then cover more than just 'visible light' such as gamma or alpha radiation, x-rays, and infrared!
Id also say change fire into something like Thermal? Would be pretty cool since you can go up and down that scale if you wanted to, or you could keep it as ‘fire’ but name it thermal and have a name that isnt so simple for it
@@abezevlag7337 Well, if you asked someone random what fauna or flora meant, they'd be able to tell you, but if you asked them what "faveo", "funda", or "facta" meant, they likely wouldn't have a clue
One thing that i'd suggest, as a bullet point of the Exploration: Ability to Create a Base. something like as simple as a Outpost Camp from Pokemon Legends Arceus, or Maybe a Farm/Lab. heck, maybe even discovering and expanding a TINY pocket dimmension, that you only unlock after getting a specific Enegmorph. Or it only expands with certain ones?
Also, if the discovery/Exploration is similiar to PLA? HELL YES! I loved PLA's exploration and Fights. not only 1v1 in the wilds, but Multiple occasionally! AND the Player ALSO having to dodge the attacks of territoral Enegmorphs? soo good.
OH *Tiny Dimmenion thing. i'd think of more as a Hub, from like Demon Souls (the Nexus) or Bloodborne (Hunter's Dream). looking forward to seeing more of this, and hopefulyl some other designs from older Months joining you in this new world!
Expanding on this idea: its not a pocket dimension, but a wormhole back to your main NPC hub or professor. You defeat a unique Prime Enigmorph that actually seems to like humans, but was just scared. He doesn't want to fight, but he sticks around as a small mote of energy in your pocket or inside a brooch or ring or necklace. When you wish, he will pop out and create a wormhole back to a fixed point. This has three uses:
1. Fast travel, at first only back to your home and then returning to where you left off. This gives you a chance to heal up or purchase items, though your resources to do so should be limited until a little later on in the game. Maybe returning is a bit unstable and only brings you back to the beginning of an area? Eventually the Enigmorph powers up to allow travel between all major population centers?
2. You are able to rescue and collect NPCs to join your base camp, where they begin to offer services important to the game's progression. They can sell new item types, offer better healing services, give data on how Enigmorphs work and evolve, and restore broken items and furniture. Speaking of...
3. Your personal base, lounge, or hideout: you purchase or find stuff as you travel that you can add to your personal quarters of some sort. At first you are limited to what you can buy, what is given as a gift or reward, or the rare functional discovery in the wild. However, once you have the appropriate NPCs, they can repair and refurbish items, even performing aesthetic changes to match your vibe (like turning a black couch red to keep with the warm tones of your lounge). You'll find broken furniture or damaged appliances here and there, and the Wormhole Enigmorph will gladly swallow it up to send back, at which point you'll go through eventually and tell the NPCs what you wish to have done (repair, reclaim parts, or sell). This can even work for story progression, like... there's a broken crank handle, but your crafting NPCs will be able to remake it if you find a couple of brass ingots and give them the broken one, or a bridge is unstable, so you send the entire broken support through and then it's vomited back out into the correct spot once they repair it.
Okay so let's talk about typing !
While a symmetrical Rock-Paper-Scissors type chart may seem more fair, it's incredibly flat at the end of the day. Too much symmetry makes every type feel samey while imbalanced ones reinforce the character of each type.
I think it would be nice if each branch was built around a different role, maybe offense/defense/speed. Construct types would be the most destructive, unleashing big bursts of energy onto their foes and shredding flimsy Fauna types. Flora types would be the most sturdy, making use of natural bulk and active recovery and tanking reckless Construct types. Fae is the best type at healing status conditions. Fauna types would be the most mobile, adapting to their environment to overcome obstacles and outmaneuvering clumsy Fauna types. Daemon is the best at inflicting status conditions.
Some more specific ludonarrative ideas :
Construct: the offensive element. All construct types are strong against several other types and rarely get resisted. Fire can deal big damage, Electric is the fastest and Light is good at ignoring defenses. Immortal can't have its stats lowered and resists status conditions.
Fauna: the utility element. All fauna types can inflict special statuses. Aquatic changes the terrain, Dark tricks its opponents and Flying uses evasion. Daemon debuffs enemies, negates their stat changes and inflicts status conditions.
Flora: the defensive element. All Flora types have good resistances and few weaknesses. Acid wins the day with residual damage, Bloom regains health over time and Fungus drains its enemies. Fae buffs allies and cures status conditions.
Overall, I feel that Fauna types were hard to come up with ideas for. Dark feels really close to Daemon actually. Acid could be called Poison instead.
This is absolutely the most underrated comment here.
So... like pokemon movement system
i like it
I agree. I think the typings should probably each have a different utility that will add something different to your team. There may be too few options for just weaknesses and advantages.
For example, maybe certain Constructs can start with a certain amount of energy or add points of energy to your team each turn. They could then expend that energy to boost power, give shields, add extra attacks, or even boost another team member.
Flora could specialize in unique status effects that slow or weaken enemies. Maybe some could also "grow" the longer they're out. Allowing them there influence to spread to more than one ally or enemy. Or they can grow by getting stronger the longer they remain active, and other Flora types could take advantage of that growth in some way when switched out
Fauna could have a feasting ability that allows them to gain more strength or defense by sacrificing another ally. Some could even have a vampiric power that restores some health by dealing damage. Beast could also have a unique "wound" status effect that they could inflict, all fauna to buff themselves more when they attack enemies.
personally, i'm not sure if i'd like this concept in action, it feels a little pigeonholey. i wouldn't want to be forced to only use a certain type of morph if i wanted to utilize a more offensive playstyle per se.
this might not be too much of an issue based on how combat doesn't seem like it'll be much of a focus, but it could be something to be combatted against.
i've noticed this type of issue with typing systems on occasion where they feel kinda restrictive and i'm not much of a fan. one of the worst feelings i've encountered (quite recently in a mobile game actually) is finding a really cool creature and being excited to use it and then going "damn it" and boxing it when i see its typing.
i think pokemon avoids the feeling of restriction through a lot of factors, but that includes diversity within types at least to some extent. of course some pkmn types are better than others but they've been improving on the restrictiveness i believe
One part you talked about (14:33) was about how the Coalition contested the Prime Enigmporphs by inflicting mortal vices on them. I know you mention pride, apathy, loneliness in the video. But the specific word choice of "vice" makes me think of Aristotelian Virtue Ethics, where there are 12 moral virtues (courage, temperance, generosity, magnificence, magnanimity, pride, patience, honesty, wittiness, friendliness, modesty and justice) and 5 intellectual virtues (scientific knowledge, intuition, wisdom, art/technical and prudence).
The main goal is to have a balance the two extremes, with there being "vices" of excess and deficiency. E.g. For 'courage' there is a vice of excess of recklessness/rashness and a vice of deficiency of cowardice, so the goal is to have a balance between the two vices.
I bring this up because the are currently 17 types ((Flora, Acid, Bloom, Fungal, Fae), (Fauna, Aquatic, Dark, Flying, Daemon), (Construct, Fire, Electric, Light, Immortal), (Cosmic and Spectral)), which aligns up to the number of virtues (12 intellectual + 5 moral).
So maybe the gym leaders and villain team equivalents (if that is something you want) could represent one side each, e.g. the gym leaders could all be vices of excess, whereas all the villains could be vices of deficiency. And then they could each have their own playstyles, e.g. the courage-excess(rashness) could specialize in glass cannon attack creatures, whereas the deficiency(cowardice) could specialize in a more defensive team.
Having these vices could also allow the characters to have clear character arcs e.g. the 'Modesty' excess is shyness so they could have an arc about confidence, whereas the deficiency is shamelessness, so they can have an arc about experiencing shame when they're defeated. That way it could add in an extra layer of depth to not just the characters, but the overall themes of the game. Although, it's important to note that both vices of excess and deficiency are bad - so it could also be two opposing teams instead (akin to team Magma and Aqua or something like that) - but it ultimately depends on how you'd like it to be represented within. Like, if it's better suited for the monsters themselves, you could go that direction instead - but longevity wise it may be more restrictive, so it might be better for the characters.
The only real caveat is that it ultimately depends on the scope of the game - as this would imply there should be 34 characters or monster lines.
But again, this is just spit-balling. I just thought it was a nice coincidence that the number of types aligns with the number of virtues (with vices of excess and deficiency), and as it's not a theme I've seen in other media (well, not something I've seen in another game - can correct me if I'm wrong), it might be a cool thing to have in the back of the mind 😅!
I also like the idea of the explicit villains of the series being various factions of the races of the Coalition that attempt to exploit the supernatural power of enigmorphs, rather than the enigmorphs, themselves. I would also suggest if the typing of the prime enigmorphs remains exclusive, to hide them behind mini games of figuring out their one mortal trapping before they reveal themselves for any sort of combat, similar to what is done with some of the mythological creatures in the Witcher series of games.
Kind of funny how Palworld came out and is doing so well shortly after this video. Hopefully your game will be just as successful! Seems like an incredible idea with vivid style. The designs blow my mind and I would become easily obsessed with them in a game.
Pal world feels very "ark survival evolved"-esk for lack of a better word. Survival crafting plus creature collection.
I absolutely LOVE the idea of this, just exploring and finding different corrupted creatures and the way the “evolution” works is just genius. But, then there are just literal GODS that are why the weird creatures exist which is crazy! And the way the types work is so cool with the evolution determining what types it is possible to be, but they can also stay the same type is just amazing. Even though it’s probably gonna change a lot I am still almost definitely getting it when/if it comes out.
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I have an idea! How about certain enigmorphs can be corrupted SO MUCH it gets a fourth form, like Mega Evolution, that gains these types. However, it isn’t permanent, and does a LOT of damage to the enigmorphs themselves in the process. Like the life orb item in Pokémon combined with the stat changes of Mega Evolution. That way, the Cosmic and Spectral types can still be special, but balanced enough to not break the game.
I know its not what you said, but I am just imagining dark Digivolution
@@wvermsI mean, You ain't wrong
I adore how this has far more of a creepy / unsettling vibe compared to pokemon. It makes it stand out more and makes me at least wanna know a lot more about the story
I always felt pokemon were too cute for my tastes. This looks much better.
acid > electric (acid burns through wires)
bloom > light (plants absorb light)
fungal > dark (mushrooms thrive in darkness)
aquatic > fire
electric > aquatic
flying > aquatic
light > dark
dark > light
bloom > dark (good blooms through evil)
fae > fungal (some faefolk live in mushroom forests, maybe?)
really cool concept!
I love the idea so far, this sounds amazing! I do have a small suggestion about the three basic types. Instead of Flora, Fauna, and Construct, I think they should be Flora, Fauna, and Ferra. “Ferro-“ is an affix that means “containing iron”, which I imagine many constructs do.
What about constructs that are silicon based (stone, glas) or based on a non-ferrous metal (copper, brass, gold, ...)
@@StarlasAiko Not every Flora type will flower, not every Fauna type will have hooves and a spotted coat. It’s just a name.
@@qkazoo8806 Even in the real world, plenty of flora life never has any blossoms to bloom and plenty of fauna has no hooves, spots or fur. Flora doesn't mean flower, it means plant, all types of plant, even fungi, even though they are not actual plants. Fauna means animal, and it includes all types of animal, even arachnids and insectoids.
The third type of monster are called Constructs, since they are based on artificially created things.
If they were called Ferra, then they would be limited to iron: created things that are predominately made of iron, and non-created things largely containing iron (hematide/ferrite/bog-iron monsters).
i feel like construct is most fitting, even if it doesnt fit the best with the other two "f" names
it's the most broad and can contain more things, things like golems, gargoyles, statues, temples, buildings, etc - while ferro sort of implies a solely mechanical or robotic nature due to being correlated with metal
I am a big fan of the idea that these kind of creatures are formed from the collective thoughts, fears, hopes, worries of people. Basically that if enough people feel a strong enough emotion for long enough then a thing appears.
And that could be why you would have to travel to certain areas to find different enigmorphs! The industrial part of town could have like enigmorphs of idk feeling replaceable or of the dangers of unsafe machinery and the feeling of just getting used to seeing people get härmed in accidents around you. Maybe the hate or admiration or just 'whatever, I'll just do what they say' attitude towards the boss. And then in like the nice suburbs about a feeling of superiority, of ignorance of the people struggling around you and maybe envy of the neighbors. Then in the university part of town has the curiosity, the thought of wanting for education to expand but not getting nearly the budget for it, the feeling of knowing the theory of something that would improve lives but the helplessness of not knowing how to implement changes, the frustration when your research is dismissed or just the simple feeling of cramming for a test that is tomorrow. All of those could have monsters, I think, and they're all based on different settings! And there are so many more in a city such as that which I imagine. Like harbor, public transportation, parks, garbage dumps, hospitals, lower, middle and upper class housing, the sewers, the main commerce street, markets, the ever expanding border of the city... There are just so many different thoughts, fears, hopes, worries of people in different places...
I think that's just the plot of Cassette Beasts.
Didn't know that, huh! @@theukon-dos7271
I love the typing idea!
But, while dark does make sense [Animals that live in caves], I do think adding a "Terra" would be fitting, since it completes a trio of sea creatures, flying animals, and land animals
I guest he let fauna to fill that category
@@anton10gg93i doubt it. the term fauna includes all kinds of animals, aquatic, flying and terrestrial. also, if that were the case, what's up with Woewhorl? it's classified as fauna type (for now at least), despite very clearly being a bird.
@@chocolatechipcookieloverThat's because nascent forms can only be fauna, flora, or construct. It corrupts into a flying type in it's harbinger form.
I guess its because it work like a normal type for a bird starter, or in this case since it seems like only one type per creature, to indicate its a baby bird who do not know how to fly
Maybe he will make for bird fauna who each can become in the second form one of each, a crow, a roadruner (or ostrich) a penguin and a owl
Like he said, is in early concept so things maybe change
@@chocolatechipcookielover because fauna are animals flora are plants
I think the animal-vegetable-mineral RPS makes intuitive sense. Your art and designs are awesome as always (I'm one of the few who found your channel through your League redesigns).
A thought I had while watching is... if anything from our world can become corrupted, why do certain enigmorphs show up over and over? Like, presumably there won't be just one of every enigmorph (if it's like Pokemon and many of each species - aside from legendaries - exist), so what causes some things to be more likely to become corrupted and not others? In order for there to be lots of Woewhorls it means that baby birds are particularly susceptible to corruption, for example. If there's a lack of enigmorphs based on (to pick a random example) dogs, then it means dogs are especially resistant to corruption. Why? Just something to consider, I think.
There's quite a few ways to approach these ideas. Like you said "some being being reistant" or to the contrary easy to corrupt is a good idea, that can even be expanded into some exceptional beings only transforming because of their bond with humans, without natural occurences of them existing.
It is probably similar to something like "just because some dolls becomes haunted doesn't means all dolls will become possessed by evil spirits" or convertely "just because X familly heirloom became a guardian doesn't mean all copies of that type of object can become one" and other leaps of logic that puts the focus on the bond between the natural entity, object, or concept with humans nearby.
Cats, especially black cats, would probably have a way higher chance to be corrupted into chaotic creatures after being linked to witches for so long, and a higher number of them would be natural due to the nature of their reputation (rumors)
In the contrary dogs and their "humanity's best friend" being based on observed facts makes creature variants way rarer but could be closer to "order" in alignment. The fact these would be rarer leading of the rumor of dogs being resistant to corruption, could itself "become true because people are content with this explaination" and making such beings ever rarer.
I think the typings should probably each have a different utility that will add something different to your team. There may be too few options for just weaknesses and advantages.
For example, maybe certain Constructs can start with a certain amount of energy or add points of energy to your team each turn. They could then expend that energy to boost power, give shields, add extra attacks, or even boost another team member.
Flora could specialize in unique status effects that slow or weaken enemies. Maybe some could also "grow" the longer they're out. Allowing them there influence to spread to more than one ally or enemy. Or they can grow by getting stronger the longer they remain active, and other Flora types could take advantage of that growth in some way when switched out
Fauna could have a feasting ability that allows them to gain more strength or defense by sacrificing another ally. Some could even have a vampiric power that restores some health by dealing damage. Beast could also have a unique "wound" status effect that they could inflict, all fauna to buff themselves more when they attack enemies.
The corruption cycle kinda reminds me of digivolution but I still think is cool that enigmorphs can still be almost as powerful in there base form
DIGIVOLUTION MENTIONED RAAHHHHHH
I have to say that the quality of this video is amazing! You can tell that whoever edited this really put a lot of effort into it. Your commentary is also really nice to listen to, I can’t tell if it’s your writing style or if it’s because you’re covering a topic I like, but either way it’s really nice.
I also want to note how impressive your ability to express your understanding of art is! Never seen someone able to capture in words a lot of what you do. (Might be because I don’t watch a lot of different art creators tho lol)
We (Claire and Jack) edited it together!
Honestly I enjoy this idea a little more than the meza region, a lot more freedom with some really awesome ideas, it doesn't help I'm a huge fan of the steampunk aesthetic
This is the coolest concept for a Monster Catching game I've ever seen, and I'm shocked I've never seen the concept of applying a genuine paranormal atmosphere to the genre before. Everything else you detailed is very inspired, too! And I think the idea of being able to change the form of each monster back and forth, and them having completely different typings, opens up a lot of potential for nearly every monster being close in combat usefulness.
I think it would be super cool if enigmorphs could shift between their stages mid-battle. That way you offset the loss in complexity from only having monotype enigmorphs, and allow for interesting strategies as well as further incentivizing the use of the cyclical approach to progression.
It would add so much complexity. That is a great idea.
marvingreenscreen9947 has a comment about the path this complexity could take! It was a nice read. (I also added a thing in the replies about how that could enhance the players attachment to a single enigmorph individual, read that too if you want.)
Yes!
I love exploration in video games. Finding new biomes, unlocking new areas, that’s what gets me going. I realized it for the first time when I played Slime Rancher, that my favorite part about the game was just when I thought the game was slowing down or wrapping up, I’d find a new area, discover a new Slime, or unlock a new mechanic that made the game feel like I could play for hours. That’s something I’d love to see in your game, too!
Im currently planning a game with this as the main premise. Do I know how to code, render, or write? Absolutely not lol, but I guess I’ll learn!
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Working on a small project which shares some of those ideas (like extremly bare bones) can be a good place to start. Trying to build your dream game from scratch when you don't feel confident about the engine you're using is probably not going to be a great time. Even if you slog through it.
There's a lot of silly stuff that you can do with less effort though to get a grasp for the broader concepts though
If we stick with type advantages, maybe each sub-type could have their own trifecta in addition to each holding power over another subtype in a different domain.
Example:
Acid > Bloom > Fungal > Acid
But maybe Bloom could also resist or be strong against the Light subtype for Constructs.
For the Apex types, maybe they hold power over their own domain and resist the Harbinger-level typings as well as being atrong against every type from another domain.
I love the idea of the corruption cycle, allowing the enigmorphs to always change. It adds to their otherwordliness, for lack of a better world, to be able to shift back and forth.
I can see how the basic types can interact with each other. Fauna consumes flora, constructs damage or even end spwcies directly/indirectly, and plants can damage and degrade humanity's technology and infrastructure, requiring constant caring and pruning to prevent so.
I don't know how I could ever add to this ambitious, incredible project of yours, so I'll just keep following your content and commenting here.
Good luck with the game and world
A Pokemon genre game with an eldritch vibe and emphasis on the exploration ?? Sign. Me. In !
Plus : I can't wait to watch your future enigmorph design videos.
I absolutely love the typing system that you came up with. I think it’s super impressive how you created something with such a fresh take when compared to the traditional pokémon tropes (the cyclical evolution is also an amazing example of this). With other creature collecting games I think they take too much inspiration from pokémon which makes them struggle to stand on their own, but this clearly shows how unique and interesting your ideas are. I can’t wait to see how this project turns out!
i'd love to buy a pokedex style book from you guys once the project gets far enough
I am honestly not that much of a fan of more monstrous creatures, but projects like these made by amazing artists I follow and inspire me are always such a delight to watch grow and unfold, so count me excited to see what this can become.
Admittedly this gives me major Gravity Fall meets Pokemon vibes, and I'm all for it!
I love the worldbuilding you've done for Apocryphal! In terms of feedback, the cyclical metamorphosis is a great idea, but I think the fact that it necessitates each "ring" of enigmorphs to have 3 forms might be restrictive on ideas. Maybe one concept works best with only 2 forms, or maybe another could have even more! While the reasons behind the 3 cycles of the enigmorph make sense and the restriction could prove a fun challenge, I would still remain open to different possibilities in the early stages (though again I am a big fan of what was presented). The fact that a lot of the enigmorphs visually seem to be based off of the classic three stage evolution also seems a bit counterintuitive to the idea that they have the potential to be of equal strength. While enigmorphs are supposed to be mysterious, visual readability is still important and the fact that an enigmorph that appears like a little baby crow could be as powerful as the almost deific looking one is definitely a bit confusing. I absolutely adore the way types work though, genuinely a brilliant idea. In terms of effectiveness, I think having the "final stage" types be the reverse of the "first stage" types would be an interesting twist, almost representative of the altered forms undergoing metamorphosis to overcome their previous weaknesses. Keep up the awesome work! :)
I LOVE monsters. I don’t where it started or why, but I’ve always just been so fascinated by them. I think it’s because they have stories attached to them that make them so much more than just monsters to me, and nothing else really ever gets that excitement and wonder out of me more!
A good example of this is things like monster logs in the RoR series, I literally spent like 40% of my time in that game just trying to get all the monster logs lol
I am absolutely in love with the idea and the designs you showed us so far. It's SO good. That tapps just the right spot for me ngl. Also I am (at least in concept) a big fan of the idea that spectral and cosmic are reserved for primes only, it makes them feel otherworldy. Like the player will instantly know "okay, they really aren't from here, these things are very different". I'm very excited on your behalf about this, hahaha. So I just subscribed, I'm very very hyped to see more. Amazing work so far
Man... I knew that his avatar looked like him irl but I didnt think it was that spot on. Whoever made that art of you needs a raise.
Good luck on the game dev journey! Cheering for you guys
I love how the enigmorphs can shift or power up even in their first forms. I think a mega man battle network/ Spectrobes kind of combat where you use your tools to help your enigmorphs may be cool. Maybe your equipment can act as the tattle system in paper mario, telling you what about the enigmorph you’re facing without the need for a true dex. Perhaps since they are so mysterious you could fill out a field guide the more you encounter them. Would really help enforce the collection theme. Perhaps as a side mode you can lecture about enigmorphs and compare notes with players in an academic setting. Love the new concept and can’t wait for more.
I'm truly impressed by the way you found to merge all these ideas and make them work together so well! I must say that the settling of the context of the story is pretty unique and appealing for how unexpected it can be for a monster collection game. Wishing the best, I'm truly expecting awesome results!
I think it would be cool if their moral vices were part of the type chart or another game mechanic
It's so good to see many fan games creators developing their own monster catcher game
I feel like one of the best ways to keep the exploration theming throughout the journey is to make “catching” one of the enigmorphs more involved. Like you don’t just go to a route and find woewhorl, you find a visage of it, you hear of people seeing a weird bird out of the corner of their eyes, you investigate, delve and push into the world around you to try and solve what it is and where it is before attempting to capture the true form, not the wispy visage that people see from time to time. Think the lavender tower from Kanto, but there’s a symbol next to the name to indicate if you’ve found a fully formed enigmorph or just a reflection/illusion.
That would be amazing like a different method to catch each enigmorph more like quest then throw item at monster until it works. Love the idea
@@chocacao9874 maybe an item but I was thinking more or less just beginning to understand how the creature came about, how they behave, their likes, dislikes, desires. I think Jack has so much ability to create distinct personalities in his art and I feel like the game should reflect that back in its game play.
@@chocacao9874 I think it would be tedious to do a quest to capture/befriend every enigmorph--it would be too time consuming and might discourage the player from wanting to obtain any of them besides the ones they want
love this, like witcher monster contracts where you have to learn about the monster/enigmorph before confronting it, really builds up the suspense and excitement and reward!
@@ChespinCraft then don’t make the game about learning about every single one. Give back the player’s ability to pick and choose who interests them as a potential ally in this world. Not every person will enjoy each enigmorph, so making the push to discover them showcase to the player if this is a creature they can vibe with would be essential. If you want a prankster who enjoys little bits of thievery, that’ll be what the delve into finding the creature would be. If you want a brute who is a secret softie, then that’s what you’ll find in a different creature. I think Pokémon has tried so hard recently to make the connection between “this Pokémon is in your party” and “this Pokémon is your friend”. And personally I think the way to make creatures your friend is to give them actual personalities and behaviors outside of a text box.
The nacent typing is so elegantly practical and simultaneously nothing like pokemon, brilliant! I was worried for a second with the harbinger typing diagram (essentially boxing all land animals into dark type) until you explained that nacent type can remain unchanged in "later" forms (even though its a cycle not a line). While the general eldritch design aesthetic isn't to my personal taste, I wish you all the best with this project and I'm excited to see more!
I feel the need to write this, just In case you read this. Your pokemon inspired armour videos are one of the three main things that pushed me into learning to draw about four years ago. Thank you.
I love that the nascent forms can be just as powerful as the apex forms. Something that always annoyed me about Pokemon is when I liked a 1st stage evolution better then the Pokémon’s 2nd or 3rd stage, but I felt pressured to evolve it in order to make it any amount decent in battle.
this ; i wanted my charmander to be the strongest pokemon in Kanto😂
I agree. I love Snorunt’s design but I never got to play with him by the time you encounter him.
This definitely has the potential to stick out in the monster collection genre, this could be so cool! Please continue this!
i've been watching since the first mazah video, so i'm excited to see where this goes!! your designs have always been some of my favorites, and watching this channel grow and learn as the designs came along was an amazing experience to watch you grow as an artist as well. super stoked for this!
Firstly, I LOVE the channel, and the idea, I've been watching for a few years now, and always enjoyed the apoctober videos, so it's great to see a monster collection game based on them. I'm awful at art, but your channel has helped me become a little better (I hope).
I love the idea of going between forms, and the way I would personally have that is that the Enigmorphs are less likely to follow your command in their higher forms, unless you progress far enough or something.
My favorite game genre hell yeah
Monster Taming is an underrated and underappreciated sub genre.
@@FTChomp9980Such an underrated genre and yet it's technically the biggest on the planet.
Is it just that Pokémon is so large that it reaches far outside the scope its own genre or is the rest of the genre simply crushed into semi-obscurity under its heel?
I may be overthinking this... _or maybe not?_
@@RJS2003 I think it's because people will always compare it to Pokémon, even if it's not anything like it. So everyone just sees it as an inferior version of it
@@lepreking Yeah, that's really the main problem. Pokémon has been on top for so long that it won't matter how much you try to differentiate yourself, you're *cLeArLy* just making a rip-off product based on the big dog for some quick bucks. Digimon, Yo-Kai Watch, Temtem, Fossil Fighters, they've all been through it.
Because the only taste of the monster catcher genre most people have even heard of or played is Pokémon then... everything else is just Pokémon too.
Imagine a scenario, you grew up playing Fortnite and only Fortnite. Because you only grew up playing Fortnite your taste for other games hasn't been refined or broadened outside of Fortnite. This makes it very difficult, even next to impossible, to want to embrace anything trying to be different, ESPECIALLY if it's in the same genre.
@@RJS2003 On top of that, ngl, a lot of low-effort monster taming games *are* rip-offs of Pokémon. It happens with everything popular and profitable; Pokémon is all that and then some.
Another issue is that fans who aren't happy with the direction Pokémon is going (and/or fans who grew up and want something more "adult" in its subject matter or difficulty level) go out specifically looking for an alternative. Problem being nothing with ever be like Pokémon, ever again. What should be a good thing, being unique from Pokémon, has now turned into a flaw.
Frankly, I'm not sure if the monsters in a new game will ever have the same appeal as a Pokémon to me. But wrt Jack's designs, that's a huge bonus
I just gotta say I absolutley love this! I love how magical it feels, like your collecting mysterious fae, spirits and mystical beings that have been the subject of folk tales for centuries! I love the idea of legendaries being actual god-like universe-construct embodying beings, and I love that the primary typings (and this goes for the typings overall) are Fauna, Flora and Construct rather than elemental types, and the corruption cycle and type cycle is an incredible idea!
I wonder if the typings, if somehow in battle (and maybe outside of battle) some typings can benefit one another like if Light types benefit Flora and Bloom types, and Dark benefits fungal, and on the other hand Bloom and Flora oppose Fire. These typings could have interesting interactions in some form.
You've clearly put so much work and thought into this and I'm so excited to see this project grow and help in anyway I can!
I am curious by the way, can someone explain to me dark typing to me? I don't totally understand it, is it like for nocturnal creatures?
Very cool concept, and it's exciting to see a small art channel turn their heads towards game design. The channel has always had a close relationship with games, and a lot of your monthly challenges are slightly gamified and certainly steeped in original lore. This is a logical next step, and the support you've garnered through the community by being wholesome, humble, kind and consistent has, and will, pay off. Congratulations and best of luck on this project. I'm looking forward to watching the progress!
Good luck with this new project and adventure Jack! I’ll keep following and supporting all your work!
It feels like your Mermay artwork is set in the Apocryphal like your Apoctober drawings, am I right? Anyway, this feels genius. I was overwhelmingly giddy over the concept and mythology of this. I have a creature project, a speculative one on work for a long time and you just inspired me in tweaking the story a bit. Maybe I should watch the Apoctober and Mermay stuff from over the years just in case. I can't wait to see this continue.
I think maybe a way to give the cosmic and spectral balance is through offerings.
The Prime's can give their "children." a piece of their power, allowing these beings to accend even futher to become a demigod that can serve as minibosses. They can even have bits of the Prime in their design to show how they ascended.
This is the coolest idea of a monster collection game I have ever seen, and I think this is the first kind of “evolving” types mechanic I have ever seen. I am sooo willing to help out on this project writing or play testing.
As I've watched this video I have immediately fell in love with the more creative and abstract designs of Enegmorphs and I have been absolutely captivated by the story and universe that you have given us so far. I really like how these designs are more elaborate then Pokémon and have some really cool elements like how Apex has a face on her chest with the stomach being a demonic mouth but also having breasts to represent a more motherly side, maybe even mother nature or like how Perpecktual looks so simple to so abstract and cool at the same time. I'm literally in love seeing this and I can't wait to see more of this project.
Judging on how it sounds, it feels like humans could also become an Enigmorph. I wonder how that would look... Either way I love the concepts, and the typing icons are on point.
Inb4 the subjectively video introducing the mechanic of fusing with your Enigmorph
Having type-exclusive status conditions might be kinda cool. Regardless, I am very excited to hear more, and I hope that this cool project turns into something amazing! (It's already amazing, but ya know)
Dude, I've always loved your aesthetic on these darker projects... and now to see them becoming a pokemon like experience? Yes please!!
Plus, I LOVED the ideia for the typings and the fact that the "evolution" is not a linear thing. It opens soooo many doors to explore!
But I have a question tho: can a enigmorph have multiple "evolutions" depending on wich typing they choose to evolve? Cause that would be sick!! I would much rather have less enigmorphs and more forms than a whole bunch of enigmorphs that only follow a single line of evolution.
i absolutely love the idea of this, especially the way youve designed the typing system
Fan art for this World as it stands now is boutta go KRAZY
As most people, I discovered the channel through the Maza Region, but since I first watched the Apoctober series it became my favorite. The characters, the awesome designs and the story, so seeing the series become the channel's main focus after the end of the Maza region is so exciting
Keep up with the awesome work, the mechanics already seem promising, similar to Pokémon, but different enough to express its own personality and identity. The art is, as always, beautiful, a source of inspiration for a novice artist
I have so many things I want to say that are bumping around in my mind, but first of all, you did a very impressive job presenting your project! This is literally worthy of a thesis, with how to explained every details of the genre, its upbringing and its success! For you own project, this whole video is worthy of a presentation pitch, it is super convincing! And lastly, your art skills are super impressive, I just can't skip the follow button! Wishing you the best with this project!
Something I feel like would greatly improve the ideas of exploration and collection would be a tags system. For example - if something is particularly physically strong it would have a tag to designate that, or if an Enegmotrph has the capability to fly then it would have a flying tag. These tags could effect how you can use them outside of combat like, like moving obstacles or traversing water. You could even make it so that the tags change with each form so you are encouraged to change the form from now and again.
This is such a fun take on the monster-collecting genre, I’m excited to see more from this. If having two types dedicated to the primes is game breaking, the spectral type is something that could be distributed to other enigmorphs similar to how certain items could be possessed by ghosts or spirits.
Pitches for Enigmorph type matchups;
TL,DR: I took a quick swing at the type matchups presented in this video and tried to determine how they could match up with one another, taking into consideration how each enigmorph could corrupt into any stage but how each stage was limited to one of three types. This led me to research how each stage could present benefits into corrupting while also presenting its own risks.
The original pitch in the video is for the main three types (Fauna (animal), Flora (vegetable), and Construct (mineral)) to be your classic type trio; fire, grass, and water. However, the new take was for each enigmorph to only have a single type that could change depending on its stage and for the ability to switch between certain available stages. Because of this, type matchups would need to be considered between the corrupted types and base types; is there a benefit to corrupting your enigmorph to a new type, or does it make sense to keep it where it is *because* of its current type. I did some flow-chart math and tried to be as thematic as I could while also trying to stay balanced. This is what I was able to find;
Fauna: strong against Flora, Water, and Dark
Flora: strong against Construct and Acid
Construct: strong against Fauna, Daemon, and Cosmic
Aquatic: strong against Acid, Flora, Flying, Construct, and Fire
Dark: strong against Bloom, Fire, and Spectral
Flying (I would pitch changing the name of this type to Wind or Sky): strong against Flora, Bloom, and Fungal
Acid: strong against Construct, Bloom, Fauna, Aquatic, and Flying
Bloom: strong against Flora, Fungal, and Electric,
Fungal: strong against Construct, Electric, Light, and Flora
Fire: strong against Fauna, Construct, Flora, and Fungal
Electric: strong against Aquatic and Flying
Light: strong against Dark, Cosmic, and Spectral
Fae: strong against Daemon, Cosmic, and Spectral
Immortal (this was perhaps the strangest type to consider balancing for as the name doesn’t fully convey what it’s supposed to represent): strong against Acid, Fae, and itself.
Daemon: strong against Light, Immortal, and Cosmic (with a note that Cosmic is also strong against Daemon)
Spectral (again, a type I could see being given to non-primal enigmorphs as certain objects could potentially be possessed and become Spectral instead of something like Construct or Immortal. Maybe it’s a type that could appear in a standard enigmorph’s corruption line instead of the standard corruption path; a Construct enigmorph could become corrupted with enough negative energy to become Spectral instead of Fire/Electric/Light or Immortal? Just a random thought that I’d throw out there): strong against Fauna, Flying, and itself.
Cosmic (This is a type that works for being a solely legendary type. Something like how the Dragon type being something considered all powerful in the Pokémon world (before it was nerfed by Fairy). Cosmic entities may not find themselves in normal environments for one reason or another and therefore are rarer to encounter. However, their type matchups would help keep the type itself balanced if in a combat encounter): strong against Flora, Fauna, Flying, Fire, Daemon, and itself.
I’ve also seen the suggestion of having enigmorphs capable of corrupting during a battle, thereby possibly having new types during battle. Then the strategy for something like that would be having a move with a good type matchup as well as good team makeup. You could even have some sort of implementation to have different moves based on whichever form you have? But that might be too complicated.
This would all need to be play tested, of course, since it is just a rough draft. But this felt like it could be a good start!
Oooh, I really like all the ideas you have going. this appeals to me on a visceral level.
As a suggestion for stats in regards to the corruption cycle. Something that might work is to have nascent be more "even" stats, with apex have more "extreme" stats in comparison.
So for example, a nascent would have say a speed of 50 and defense of 50, then the next form would have 60 speed, and 40 defense, and the apex would have 80 speed, 20 defense, slowly becoming more unhinged as it falls further into corruption, which can be leveraged by the player to decide if they need their monster to be more balanced or specialized.
i found this video not from your previous art projects or game, but through sheer chance. i love it. i also have plenty of ideas to spew out. im too lazy to type them so you can just imagine what they could be for now. i may come back and pitch them some other time
I've been watching since the og Pokemon redesign, and seeing y'alls channel evolve over the years has been awesome. And this next step of where th channels going sounds so cool! I can't wait to see more of this series :3
The evolution mechanic reminds me a lot more like Digimon than Pokemon, and I dig it!
Can’t wait for the dog to become a cat and then a grown woman!!!
I cant actually put into words how much i adore this concept in its entirety so i will express it in the artist way, by designing enigmorphs literally nobody wants until i am out of ideas
This looks great! I'm so excited to see the world you've made expand and more awesome enigmorph designs.
I would be a little worried about limiting yourself with the typing system you've made though. Imagine making a jack o'lantern inspired enigmorph, that would start as flora, but wouldln't be able to gain fire typing for example.
Might limit your design space in the future
This is so so cool!! Im very late to seeing this video cause youtube wasnt showing me your videos for a while ( no clue why ) and Im catching up. But im excited to see you making your own monster collecting project as its my favorite genre and you're one of my favorite artists!!! I think my biggest hope for this project is the creatures also feel like your friends, at least for me personally, friendship is the most important part of pokemon games, and I know theres a fair bit of people who dislike the minigames where you make food or interact/play with your pokemon, but thats my favorite part! I dont want to see them as soley tools, I want them to feel like my friends and companions! So I hope you consider a way to have the creatures also feel like your friends, It helps me when I play games in this genre to actually feel immerssed and grow a connection with the creatures I will be spending my entire game with. I also hope for good character customization, cause I adore when games like this have that. Idk if you will see this but if you did, thanks for hearing me out, I look forward to seeing more videos on this project
Here are my thoughts:
1. Conceptually this is just straight up a homerun. I'm IN LOVE with the idea of a lovecraftian Pokémon.
2. Exploration wise, I'm wondering if the game will take place in a city/its surroundings or if it will, like Pokémon, cover a large landmass with different biomes (mountain, desert, volcano etc.)? I don't know why, but I imagined the first option while hearing you talk! I got the feeling of a more "compact" exploration, rather than an expansive kind. Like Bloodborne, where new areas are mostly different parts of the same city.
3. Maybe you already answered this and I missed it, because it felt implied, but not everyone knows that these creatures exist, right? Just a set few? Like how it is with curses/devils in Jujutzu Kaisen and Chainsaw Man? And if so do you think the story will lead to the broader population finding out about them, or if it will kept under wraps.
4. Will it be possible to kill and capture the godlikes (like in Pokémon)? The concept that you could stuff a god into a ball was always a bit silly, so I'm wondering if you got any workarounds?
And lastly: asdfghjklasdfghjk THIS LOOKS AMAZING. I looove your creature designs so much !!!!! It feels almost freeing seeing them bleed more into your style, instead of the Pokémon style. Harbinger especially. Like, I can't see it being my friend, it's terryfying looking but at the same time it just oozes charm! Love the twisty arms, the shoulder puffs, the swampy legs and the HEAD SHAPE, AGHH. It's so memorable. And I waaaant to catch it. Looking forward to seeing and hearing more about this !
I love when people make their own creature collecting games, like Mr Buddy's Buddymon. It's so cool to see other peoples' interpretations of the genre!
I LOVE your typing system. It's so clean, organized, creative, and UNIQUE! Your form changing system is also super cool! I know a ton of Pokemon fans who never evolve their Pokemon (they just like their first forms better) and then struggle as the game gets harder. This idea is such an awesome solution to that!
This is an insane yet magnificent project !
Are cosmic & spectral each other's weaknesses ?
Interesting concept. I’m definitely excited to see how this develops in the future. I really like the sound of the fauna type extensions-they give off this wired sort of unsettling vibe like something we don’t fully understand, and I think that’s really cool. I also really like how the construct types seem to be based off of more concrete forms of energy, sort of alluding to the way in which the things we make as humans are things we feel more sure that we understand. I like the aquatic typing for the fauna types since it’s an actual scientific grouping for animals that live in water. Comparatively, flying and especially dark feel a little too vague, and since both are existing types In Pokémon games, they immediately sound less interesting. I don’t have a recommendation for the dark typing, but I think changing the name of the flying type to something like Avian type might help it feel a little more lively? I really like what you’ve done so far though. This is incredible so far and I can’t wait to see more of it. :)
I thought the same thing about dark. Maybe something to do with the land like "terrestrial"??
Alright, I would ask that you forgive my ranting and raving, but I rather think that fits the theme of this idea…
Anywho, ideas for type interaction; I’ll be using the fauna section ( 19:10 ) as my main demonstration group
Let’s take that cyclical type effectiveness and run with it as far as we can.
Firstly, let’s keep type 1s interacting with each other: fauna > flora > construct > fauna
Secondly, I saw an idea of a counter cycle for type 3 interactions: ie daemon > immortal > fae > daemon
Thirdly, what if type 2s within the same catafory had a cycle of their own? Aquatic > dark > flying > aquatic
Fourthly, let’s set up a cycle for fauna fighting itself along the lines of: type 3 > type 2 > type 1 > type 3 or in other words: daemon > dark > fauna > daemon
Now, I’m having some issues figuring out the fifth one which would be intra-category interaction ie what happens when flying attacks fae if anything? Here’s my current cycle idea: daemon > construct > flora type 2s > daemon but this is by far my weakest idea thus far tbh
The sixth idea I had was for the cosmic and spectral; my idea is cosmic > everything and vice versa with spectral being resistant to everything and vice versa; this works with the story idea of the cosmic primes and mortals being mutually afraid of each other, and solidifies spectral as a secondary win condition sort of typing. Spectral and cosmic would be strong against eachother though
Wow! Your art style is so inspiring, and the level of thought and detail into the fantasy types and lore makes me so excited to see where this project goes!
i love the body horror elements in this. it would be fascinating to see branched evolutions, since so far we only see the cycles of 3 different levels. if you were to animate this, i personally think it would look best in 3D, but if someone was willing to do a lot of work, i could see 2D being extra fun. there is also an idea i had of maybe reducing the team size based on a sanity meter? not sure how that would work, though.
Funny enough, I actually discovered the channel through the video where you drew Homestuck characters based on description only (big surprise). But I've stayed around since, and loved every minute of it :)
incredible work with this project. this video should have 10x the views already, it's that good. looking forward to more.
Good luck! Can't wait to hear more about your game in the future!
YOOOOoOOoOo!!! I’ve seen lots of Fakemon artists do this lately, like Mr. Bonny John, and I am SO EXCITED for you guys!
I absolutely loved your Mazah region series, and I absolutely love this idea. Eldritch creature collecting, great idea. My favorite part was the type section, its unique being how its about the creature body instead of just an elemental power. cant wait for more, hope you make a smol squid boi for me.
First of all, incredible stuff, Jack! Very excited to be along for the ride.
I'm echoing/summarizing some thoughts I've seen here, but what if the typings worked as such:
Fauna -> Flora -> Construct
then the split typings from these each formed their own cycles of effectiveness:
Aquatic -> Dark -> Flying
and then the final forms could have an inverse cycle
Daemon -> Immortal -> Fae
This gives the harbinger forms a niche reason to be the current chosen form of an enigmorph, if the player knows based on context clues they'll be fighting a lot of harbingers of their ace's same nascent type!
Broooo~ this is just the kind of monster catching game i ever wanted! Strange creatures, mysteries, mysticism, the dark atmosphere surrounding the player, oh boi i can't wait to see the theme songs and the story! This is going to be bunkers, and i'm already having a hard time to choose in between the three "starter" enigmorphs you showed up on this video (i assume they're the "starters" equivalent).
For suggestions i think the types and overall details of the Enygmorphs (a.k.a. the Status destribution and other statistic things RPG games have) should work similar to alchemy while the writh and the organization of the details should work like old time criminal files, let me explain: the "files" thing is basically the appearence and the way you would like at the general informations of your Enygmorphs like in other monster-catching games, but it would look and be organized like old criminal investigation files, with the statistics, battle facilities, and even some notes discribing the Enygmorphs and the opinion about the person that writh those files, and it would be cool if not all files had been writhed by the same person but rather many different researchers including you, and it could be some way to express on sign that like with stickers, drawings or by expressing the specific writher's caligrafy. Now for the alchemy thing, i think the Enygmorphs should work like quimical/alchemic solutions, having many components been their types, some even been able to be made by the humans theyselfs, or this could simply be their type afinities (like the zodiac where depending from the specific day you where born you can be from one sign but have afinity with another) that would affect like what battle abilities it could have or which would be it's type upon corrupting and that they would have a main type responsables for it's weakness and advantages. Again, just suggestions but i would love to say they happening.
Really cool lore, mechanic ideas, and monster designs right off the bat. Since you've generously invited us to share ideas:
1. I would absolutely love if some inspiration was taken from how Cassette Beasts does type matchups by having different matchups result in unique effects instead of just increased or decreased damage. That mechanic was an incredible evolution on type advantage and made every battle a lot more unique and engaging.
2. Going off the idea that Enigmorphs don't necessarily get stronger as they get more corrupted and that a Nascent can potentially defeat an Apex, a fun way of executing that might be to have a more corrupt Enigmorph increase in power, but at the detriment of new/increased weaknesses. That would tie in nicely with how Apex Enigmorphs tend to become more humanlike and the lore that the Prime Enigmorphs were weakened when they were introduced to mortal vices.
3. Since Enigmorphs are influenced by their interactions with humans, it might be fun if there was a mechanic for their temperament and how it could be affected by the player through gameplay. Stuff like how often the player heals them or leaves them at low health, the rate that they use attack or defense moves, etc. Maybe that could tie in with the above idea of Apex Enigmorphs gaining weaknesses as they become more humanlike, since their negative personality traits become amplified and it changes their behavior in combat. Like, they can become so aggressive there's a chance they ignore your commands and attack recklessly instead.
Good luck on this project!
I love how you did the old style photos!
Absolutely fantastic concept! I've been wanting to run a monster collection-based TTRPG for a while now, and I think this world could fit it quite well! Placing emphasis on discovery, collection and lore, while still having the survival aspect of combat present *chef's kiss*
This is exactly the sort of project I want to see. I like Pokemon but one big problem that the series is always had is that it's very much geared exclusively for more juvenile audience, and something like this can very much be on the mature side and get away with it.