Retro Game Store Customer Buying Regrets
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ย. 2024
- Ian recounts game store customers who regretted a game or console purchase.
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So funny thinking back to the days of walking into a Kmart or blockbuster and seeing all those old valuable video games on sale for 10$ or so if only we knew.....
I am the type to clean my cartridges fairly regularly, but even I ditched my front-loader NES for a top-loader years ago. They're just way more consistent and reliable.
I managed to get my hands on a top loader recently but it is the RF model and needs to be recapped. I still use my front loader but I stored the original pin header and installed a Blinking Light Win. It has been quite reliable so far. I definitely keep up on cleaning my cartridges and never stick recently purchased cartridges into my system without giving it a proper cleaning.
"They're just way more consistent and reliable."
No, they aren't. If you have an original 72-pin connector (as opposed to an aftermarket one), and you haven't ruined it by bending its pins up, and the connector pins and your cartridge contacts are clean, the front-loader is perfectly reliable. I have three of them that all work the first time, every time, and they have for around 15 years (which is when I first figured out how to clean everything properly). I also have a top-loader that I never use because US top-loaders (NES-101) have garbage picture quality (RF-only, plus jailbars).
If you're having reliability problems with a front-loader it means one or more of the following:
1. The 72-pin connector's pins and/or the cartridge's contacts aren't clean. Just because you think you cleaned them doesn't mean you actually got them clean. For example, people commonly try isopropyl alcohol, which isn't strong enough in many, if not most, cases.
2. You ruined your original 72-pin connector by bending the pins up, and now it's no longer a ZIF connector like it was designed to be, and the pins don't have as much surface area of contact with the cartridge's contacts because you screwed up the angle of contact.
3. You threw away your perfectly good, but dirty, original high-quality made-in-Japan 72-pin connector and replaced it with a new, aftermarket, low-quality, made-in-China knockoff.
@@MaximRecoil those cheap 72-pin connectors from China are the worst!
@@MaximRecoil Not only have I adhered to all of those steps in the past anyway, but you basically went over some model-specific maintenance steps that I never have to worry about on a top-loader, so I'd rather just stick with something that's, again, more consistent and reliable
I had an RGB card and an SNES style A/V connector installed in this thing years ago too, so I don't really care that it only had RF output as stock.
@@Sixfortyfive "so I'd rather just stick with something that's, again, more consistent and reliable"
Except, it isn't more consistent and reliable. I already said that my front-loaders have worked the first time, every time, for the past 15 years, so if you had reliability problems, you were doing something wrong.
I've made lots of original 72-pin connectors work like new over the years simply by cleaning them, ones that people had removed and replaced with an aftermarket connector because they weren't able to get them to work. I recently made an 11-minute video about 4 of them that I cleaned in one night, which you can see here:
watch?v=qls14DTY2Hk
"Not only have I adhered to all of those steps in the past anyway"
What steps are you talking about? Whatever "cleaning" method you used obviously wasn't getting things clean, and/or you had other issues such as a non-original 72-pin connector or an original one that you or someone else ruined by bending the pins up in a misguided belief that a tighter grip on the cartridge would be better.
"but you basically went over some model-specific maintenance steps"
I didn't list any maintenance steps. I simply told you that if you had reliability problems then you weren't doing things right (and I listed the three things that can cause reliability problems).
"that I never have to worry about on a top-loader"
I don't have to worry about it either. A thorough cleaning of the connector pins and cartridge contacts is a one-time thing (assuming you protect your games from dust when not in use). For my three front-loaders, and most of my games that was 15 years ago. The only cartridge contacts I've cleaned thoroughly since then have been the contacts of cartridges that I've bought since then.
As an adult your stuff shouldn't get dirty again after a thorough cleaning. It's not like when we were kids and put any old cartridge into an NES, including tons of rental cartridges that had passed through the dirty hands of, and had been blown/spit on, by countless kids.
This makes me realize just how easy kids nowadays have it. When I was growing up I had a small handful of games and usually only got a couple a year for holidays. They almost always sucked or were just barely playable, but I didn't have the option to exchange them or even pick what I wanted from the start. I played the hell out of them all and learned to like them because they were all I had, and I didn't really recognize them at the time as bad games. I know most people growing up in the late 80s/90s shared a similar situation. Those were the days!
My parents always had Pong games, Atari and Intellivision around when I was a kid but none of it held my interest until years later when the NES brought the arcade experience into peoples living rooms. Then things got good. 🕹
I really only owned a couple of games on the NES. Completely lived on rentals
"ooh, silent service. Thanks mom"
At the same time though, that was an advantage you don’t have today.
You literally put time into things. You’d watch a whole movie, even if it didn’t immediately appeal to you or you didn’t like the first 10 minutes.
It was a gamble every time.
I definitely remember playing Rampage at a friend's birthday party as a kid, and then playing it again years later because "Hey I remember playing this at my friend's party way back in the day, that was fun!" and after playing it realizing it wasn't really the game that was fun. It was the laughing, the inside jokes, the energy and vibe of that party that made it fun. Strip all of that away where it's just you playing it alone in your apartment as an adult years later, and the game is actually hot garbage.
Doing anything years later in your apartment alone is hot garbage
@@seasonsalt3228 Using the phrase hot garbage is in and of itself, hot garbage.
Classic multiplayer-focused games tend to still be fun if you actually play them as intended. I could see a lot of people picking them up at retro stores for the nostalgia factor only to realize they have no plan on how to get enough people over who would be into playing an old game together. When I was a kid, the hard part was actually getting the game and getting together with friends was the easy part because I was in a neighborhood full of kids my age. Now the situation seems to have reversed.
This applies to basically every classic game, or game in general to me. The best games create a fun atmosphere with friends that can’t be replicated alone
As a kid we just blew into our NES cartridges and they eventually worked if there was a blinking screen. Sometimes if you held the cartridge down with another cartridge in the NES and pressed reset they worked. I never threw out my video game collection, didn’t have the heart to and not that I was attached but I valued what was mine and gave me so much memories and entertainment. I always had this inkling that getting rid of my games even if I felt I outgrew them would be very regrettable. Years later as an adult I learned you can open the NES, take out the pin and boil it for 25 min. And the games never needing to blow them because the microscopic spit when blowing can cause the pins to erode and well as blowing air to the pins did nothing but just remove dust which is good but hardly ever had build up. It was just mental to blow them and the games only worked after due to repeatedly removing and inserting the game. Which could have been done without blowing. Probably because of the pins cleaning themselves with each insertion and removal. I cleaned all my games with the alcohol fluid and pin rubbing game cards that are available on Amazon. We didn’t have it that easy back then. We had the captain clean orange cartridge that barely worked. Besides we didn’t have internet to learn all these things. And we certainly was told on each cartridge not to use alcohol to clean pins. So we lived worried about messing up what we loved, ignorant and nothing left but to blow.
The Genesis version of “Home Alone” holds up pretty well. I still come back to it from time to time. The controls are simple, and it’s got a beginner mode to teach kids how to play the game. Once they’ve outgrown that, they can play the expert mode. I still can’t beat it 100% of the time. A dead sled battery or shortage of ammo can really mess things up. It’s just the right level of challenge.
Yes, that is a great game no one really talks about. Also Pocahontas.
Still don’t get the nes rampage hate. I got it for Christmas along with a Sharp 5-disc CD player and it was a great game to sit and play with the tv sound off and listen to my new CDs
I was spoiled with my Sega Megadrive, I only had 5 games: MK2, NBA jam, Earthworm Jim, Super street fighter 2 and Rocket knight adventures. So never have any regret as those I would still play any day,
That is an excellent line up.
I have a friend who buys and repairs NES's, half the time, just needs to be cleaned. It's amazing how little people know how to google things.
Also, if the patreon could stop crapping on my glorious question, I would appreciate it LOL
You have great content. I love hearing about how people are buying and selling games these days. Everyone seems to forget why they love video gaming but want their children to have that same experience. That is where you guys come in.
I’m surprised a lot of people return the NES. It’s not very hard to clean the games/console
It seems so basic to NES enthusiasts, but for the casual person its just way over their head.
I went to a record store and the guy behind the counter said this is garbage and I said "I know. I love Shirley Manson." BYEEEEE
Maybe, even if they're 35 year old technology, NES systems and games wouldn't be so wonky if we hadn't spent two decades regularly spitting into them.
Nah, it was the dumb design of the front loader pushing the pins back to where they would eventually be too far away from the cart's connectors
i'm surprised the grading/reselling topic keeps losing, it seems like a very interesting discussion
I find it incredibly odd
It's been covered plenty of times already with their opinions on Wata.
Hahaha that X-men comment hit close to home. I remember being so excited as a kid because all I heard was X-men and arcade thinking it was a port of the amazing Konami arcade X-men. Boy was I disappointed. However. It did have one of the best soundtracks on the snes
Spider man and X-Men arcades revenge is designed to make you rage and cry. The level design is unfair, the enemy placement is unfair, some of the bosses are insanely hard.
The music although is amazing.
Gambits stage specifically.
X-Men mutant apocalypse, X-Men 2 clone wars on the genesis, X-Men the arcade game by Konami and X-Men children of the atom, are all excellent X-Men games.
It wasn't that bad. There were others that are horrible. I beat the snes version when little.
My older brother got Spider-Man and the X Men on Christmas. We learned to love it
Agreed. I did eventually enjoy it but my little 9 year old brain heard arcade and X-men so I associated it with the arcade game. Since turtles in time came out on the snes, I figured why couldn’t an X-men arcade port happen?
Even mature games back in the day were pretty tame by today's standards. You can't go wrong buying your kid something from the PS1 generation or older. I am playing a bunch of PS1 games these days and as an adult I'm finding that I enjoy this stuff more than modern games. Games these days are too cinematic and bore me to tears.
Yeah, if you don’t remember how bad Spider-Man/X-Men: Arcade’s Revenge was, then you were simply a casual gaming kid. Someone who played because that’s what you’re part time dad got you for Christmas, and you didn’t have a lot to play. I had a lot of those games. The NES X-Men. James Pond: Robocod on the Genesis. A Justice League fighting game for the SNES. And Ian is spot on, because my cousin who didn’t have video games, and he only played mine when he was over, remembers those games as being fun. And learned his lesson when he sought them out 🤣. Then me being the gaming geek, looking at him like something was wrong with him, when he was happily telling me he was getting this stuff on eBay.
I miss Ian talking shop
Ian’s knowledge of vintage gaming is encyclopedic. 🧠
I disagree about Pat's assessment of the 2600. There are plenty of great games on there to regularly come back to.
Warlords is still my #1 4 person party game.
Atari is great, 2 player with the little kids! I don't know if I'd play it much by myself.
My brother figured out a good trick with the NES. When you put the cart in and press it down, use index fingers to pull the cart forward on both sides and it worked 99% of the time to stop the flashing start screen. Hooked up my NES a few years back to play shadowgate and it still worked using that method after it began flashing.
3:24 - These guys are Millennials, which means they weren't the first generation to grow up with video games. Generation X was the first, because the Magnavox Odyssey was released in 1972 (when the oldest Generation Xers were 7 years old), the first home version of Pong was released in 1975, and then the Atari 2600 came along in 1977.
I was born in 1975, which is mid-late Generation X, and when I was in kindergarten the Atari 2600 was hugely popular and the Intellivision, though not nearly as popular as the 2600, was still quite popular in its own right. Plus there were several lesser known consoles as well as a lot of Pong and Pong-type consoles kicking around, not to mention that arcades were in a major boom period in 1980/1981, with new games like Pac-Man, Ms. Pac-Man, Missile Command, Defender, Donkey Kong, Galaga, Frogger, Centipede, etc.
I bet they'd have less regrets with the Top loader NES, those tension pin edge connector just didn't last well, that's why with Atari you are just hooking straight up also it was less pins that had to work to play the game :)
Sounds crazy but I actually feel the maintenance for the NES was fun and part of the nostalgia for me so I actually enjoy it. Now that being said I composite modded my top loader and that handles a majority of my blinking cartridge issues lol.
Nowadays, nobody got time for that :D
You weren't doing the maintenance right if you still had "blinking cartridge issues" with your front-loader.
Ian, how about those backwards compatible systems customers would get so confused about?
God, I can only imagine how many customers assumed that the SNES played NES games or that the PS3 Slim was backwards compatible. My brother bought me a Super GameBoy for my birthday because he thought it could play GBA games.
I find it funny someone would return an nes game like Rampage, it’s probably no more than $10. I returned a used nes game once, but I was a kid and usually only had $20 in my pocket a month to spend.
I think it's basically people going in and making a purchase based off of an associate to a movie, a TV series or something like that. Oh man, Gilligan's Island must be LIT on the NES! Or they look at the label art or box art and think wow that looks incredible. I personally love the original gameboy, but I must admit a ton of the box art / label art and promo art looked WAY better than it had any right to. The art on the box and cart label was gorgeous. The experience on the original DMG screen (which, I like in it's own way) is like literally playing through a cloud of pea soup. So making decisions based on IP association, brand tie in, theming ect is going to lead to a lot of buyers regret.
Don't even get me started on the "MY NES IS BROKEN". To Ians point... people JUST. DONT. LISTEN. And the real problem is they just don't care. Almost no one who needs to be told they have to clean their games is actually going to take the time to do it. The people who don't need to be told are the ones who are going to do it, and almost every one of those people already own an NES or whatever. Typing up the sheet is nice, but you might get 1 out of 10 people being optimistic who might actually do it.
It has me thinking... I wonder if Luna charged a "fee" for a return to effectively stop people from using them as a "rental". So if I buy a used NES game for $20 and keep it two weeks and bring it back in because "it wasn't what I thought it was".... would I get $20 in store credit... or like $17 in store credit? I personally would do just that if I ran or was associate with a game store. We ain't blockbuster kid, you have youtube, google, archive.org and emulators that run in web browsers. "It isn't what I thought it was" just doesn't work in todays world. Money talks, BS walks and BS gets it's electric shut off. Now SCRAM! I'd be so popular lol
Yes! I remember when I found this emulation site where you could play all the NES games. I grew up with a pc and at the time I was certain that no-one just made any games on PC till I discovered the Spoonyone.
But anywhoo I was going through that catalog of games thinking what would be fun to play and I was like Simpsons, mission Impossible, Jaws etc how could these suck! Well they sure did and that was a hard lesson to learn.
Man, this was a good episode.
The next topics to vote on should be the grading/reselling topic, or why the grading/reselling topic keeps losing to other topics.
7:45 Spy vs Spy was a mad game! I still play that today o.O ?
Mk1 on the SNES, sub zeros censored fatality actually made more sense than the head rip one, u think that would've been liu kang's or something
I was still buying and renting nes games in 1994 and I do still have my rc pro am 2 but I wish I bought panic restaurant and wacky races instead of renting it..of course I didn't have a job and I was also more interested in exciting newDOS games I could now play
We need a nes punk homebrew game or hack
Arcade's Revenge is one of my favourite games.
Arcade's Revenge, Mortal Kombat, and War of the Gems I can understand. Xmen Mutant Apocalypse was actually a solid game.
Question, what 45-year-old was playing NES when they were 4-6? The timeline doesn’t work out even with Pat math.
No, the math doesn't work for the NES, but a 45-year-old could have played the Famicom, which is the same platform as the NES, when he was 6.
I take good care of my games and have them in the authentic snes dust covers. These games are getting mega old and should be taken great care of.
Then comes the one guy who is like:" One color a dinosaur game please!"
Then Ian had to tell them it's one of the rarest games ever and that guy is like:" My mom threw it out - "
There has to be the one guy! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
My NES sits on the shelf and my retron is hooked up to the TV. My NES works by all standards but it usually takes four or five tries to get a game working just right, whereas the retron is about 100%
Your… do you mean your Retron
@@ChrisStoneinator yeah lol voice to text issue sorry 😂
@@ChrisStoneinator he mean the original VCR type Nes console. The pin being bent for long period would be a problem later on and disconnection can happen. That's why later generation of Nintendo systems work much better.
@@smashmaster13 No worries fella I got it in the end :D
For NES, while it can be fun with the real thing, nowadays really, just go emulation.
Same for many older system that requires a lot of maintenance, or cabling.
Hopefully no one picked up a used copy of Super Pitfall, but I trust Ian would stir then away from that crap.
I played an Atari collection on a more modern system a while back and went through all of the classic titles I remembered playing and loving as a kid. About 5 minutes per game and the nostalgia wore off quickly. Now I remember why I never touched my Atari after I got the NES.
For me when I found the fc twin was a dream like this ahit exists? I know they ain't the best but it queued by interest back into the dormer glory days
Same. The FC Twin was my first foray back into retro games in 2008. Still have mine now even though I have real hardware, sometimes I'll still use it for NES games because I just don't wanna deal with nes bullshit anymore
@@ShopkeepMike almost my exact story. Wish I would've purchased the one with the sega slots but I still ha e mine too. One of these creators, could've been pat, probably not mentioned the clone systems were food because they kept the original hardware from burning out basically. And qhen you wanna impress or feel real nostalgic pull out the real stuff.
a shame people don't remember their old systems and games right
I wonder how much of this is going to come back. Lots of people jumped on collecting past 2 years, I wonder how many of them are going to be damaged from not being properly taken care of. Seeing a lot of collections put away in really crappy conditions like wobbly shelves, floors or right in front of windows.
My local game store has more games now than it ever has.
Now Gameboy and the modding scene is exploding!
Mk1 snes has a baked in 11 frames of input lag. So imagine that with lcd screens, 3rd party hardware, and scalers ontop of that.
Thats what was bad with snes mk1.
It's funny that the Jaguar is really the only retro Atari console that can still hold up.
I still enjoy the lynx.
Thanks!🙂👍
I live pretty far from a real game store so when I make the trip I make a day out of it. I stopped going to this store because the last time I was there I asked for a few games to play and add to my collection. The dude bashed ever single one. Like that game is garbage. Or that one is boring. So on and so one. Kinda ruined my whole experience of going to this store.
Spy vs Spy is one of my top 10 favorites on the NES.
The Atari games i can play with regularity
Centipede
Adventure
Ms. Pacman
Pitfall and pitfall II
Laser Gates
River Raid
Demon Attack
Phoenix
Yars Revenge
Defender 2 aka Star gate.
HERO
Haunted House
@@HiNRGboy to reach his own . . I really love playing Atari 2600 games,. I find it funny my 9 year old loves to play the original basketball game LOL. And he has a switch and an Xbox with NBA 2022 but he plays the atari BB more.. It is fun. I agree about the 7800 games as well. Great stuff. It's a case of what would have happened. If they didn't delay releasing it until after the NES. If they released it on time and it being backwards compatible with the 2600. So many kids had built up huge libraries of 2600 games,. It would have been an obvious choice fro many parents. But we'll never know.
hmmmm, Ian seems to be navel gazing too much. It's not so much the kids have bad tastes, it's just you have to show an interest into what they like. Sure, that Captain America game on Wii isn't great but then slowly say "hey, how about we go around Zelda for a bit?" Or just "let's expand your base in minecraft?" And trust me, the best thing I did was play the Lego Star Wars game with my Cousin's autistic kid, and in between each episode we would watch one of the films. It got him hooked! Those lego games are better than anything else.
Excuse me Mr Contri, Spy vs Spy is an amazing game
I bought a Colecovision in 2008 during the retro gaming craze....good luck finding an old ass TV to play it on now lol
Yeah, I just rebought a Colecovision earlier this year (it was my first and only system for a long time, so I have a lot of nostalgia for it), I have a late 90's Trinitron, and it looks terrible on it, can't imagine trying to hook it up to a modern tv. Plan on getting it modded to output over composite so I can actually enjoy it lol.
Why is this unlisted?
must've gone up early for channel members
Free cool pay for this shit hell no to the na na na
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THX GUYS!!!!
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Just download an emulator and all the games for free...jfc lol
Is there any chance you would consider no longer starting these with "Ian we have a Patreon....."? It's incredibly grating at this point.
How do people forget the snes mortal kombat has no blood?