A good example is how in the Hail Mary's lyrics, the only wish that appears is: "Pray for us, sinners, now and at the hour of our death." It doesn't say "save us, sinners", "forgive us, sinners", or something that implies she has the power of a deity. Her figure is respected and people ask for her blessing and prayer as they could ask any of their friends or family.
@@King_Kyros Exactly, she is heavily respected for being Jesus’ mother and is a prime example of what a true christian should be (and saints too) so if we should pray to anyone it should be to them since they have a closer relationship with God
@@jasons5904 in a way saints are seen as people who become something of an angel when they go to heaven. I don't know the specific rule you're talking about (it might not be a part of catholic canon) so I can't give a better example.
@@ingolfringolfrson1577 I mean they all get a bunch of shit wrong, but honestly it’s all forgivable. I don’t expect them to know the ins and outs of my religion, especially since they make it clear that they couldn’t give two shits about religion of any kind. However, it would be nice to have them do a little research, especially if they plan on making Taylor’s bible stories a re-occurring thing. Like, Taylor was about to bring up the golden hammer myth, where cardinals allegedly determine whether the Pope is dead or not by hitting his head three times with a golden hammer/mallet, which has never happened. Like, it’s all fun and games making fun of a religion, but I feel as though Christian religions bear the brunt of the bullshit, especially after the whole pedophile scandal.
It is always like this. When I as a Catholic discuss theology with Eastern Orthodox it's a battle. We are going back and forth throwing definitions, history, culture, sources etc at each other and they understand our beliefs, they just disagree with them. Meanwhile, arguing with Protestant does not feel rewarding in any way. It's always them having wild misconceptions about our beliefs and then strawmaning them. Just like here. Sad.
You are a goof bro. A lot of Protestants actually care about theology, history, and tradition. Catholics hate on other Christian’s more than they hate on you. I understand a ton about your Church, I do not agree- that’s fine we both believe in the Trinity
@@sammarshall1934 I do not hate anyone. Fact is, under every single video remotely related to Catholicism there will be Protestants being like "Idolatry!1!1" "devil worshippers1!1!"
@@Fallen-Saint oh my Lord, you are literally doing what I said you always do. Vatican City is not even on any of the 7 hills of Rome, it is on a completely separate hill, the Vatican hill. Not one of the 7 hills of Rome, those are somewhere else. I guess pastor Bob withheld that information from you
I'll summarize for you guys 1. confession is so that priests can understand issues and vices within their community better and provide a private place for someone to speak to another person on actions they'd otherwise take to their grave. like almost all their duties, they're meant to make the process easier and more direct to a normal believer as they themselves are theologically educated community leaders. 2. The Pope is a deeply educated person with decades of experience in the church who has gone through multiple ranks and a high majority vote from their peers to enter that position. they're trusted to use their understanding of the faith and their experience as a leader for the greater benefit of the church and function as the closest human representative of God. though Popes are considered fully human and fallible and are acknowledged as such. 3. The church exists as a large central and almost corporate body mainly to help keep such a massive group grounded. Branch Davidians, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, The People's Temple etc. are all Protestant because when you alter and decay the faith it becomes easy to keep doing it. Catholicism would immediately strip the authority of any lone wacko trying to pull these stunts in their church. 3. The style of dress is for ceremonial purposes, iconography and it helps divide rank. asking why they dress like that is like asking why humans use uniforms anywhere in any setting. 4. Catholic priests in the modern day have far lower rates of CSA than Rabbi, Sheikhs, Protestant preachers, and almost any other religious group's respective clergy. the issue was dealt with in large part due to the church having the capacity to moderate itself. no institute is perfect, and that ever famous mini epidemic is a fine example of that.
No to point 3. Many, if not all, of those groups shouldn’t even be considered Christians. JWs for example don’t recognize Christ’s divinity and can’t be considered Christians. Also, the Bible itself shows corporate religious structures can’t be trusted to stay consistent and holy. What do you think the Pharisees were? You shouldn’t trust a man to guide the faith, only God. To put any man above yourself and venerate him is shameful, whether you recognize him as still human or not. Like they referenced in this clip, part of why Jesus came was to strip away the unnecessary rules imposed on the Jews before Him. So why then should we obey non-biblical rules after?
@@peanutbutter6720So you think God refused to guide His church for 1500 years until some fat German heretic decided that he couldn’t handle living life as a monk and then poofed the real church into existence?
@@spookyskelly5276 being naturally funny is different from being a comedian. It's like the difference between a 40yrd dash time and actual football game speed.
@@crmac135 They can’t the church never taught that. They taught and still teach indulgences which means they can donate to build more churches to bring people to the faith and their works will mean less time in purgatory
@@pixellips Well, there's the fact it asserts an entirely different set of second-order beliefs regarding faith and works vs. sola fide, the canon of the saints, the incorporation of the traditions of the church fathers vs. sola scriptura, etc. This is rather like asking a Mahayana Buddhist about Therevada/Vajrayana traditions. Simply because two sects accept the same fundamental beliefs and are historically related does not mean that they are fungible.
@@philiphart4146 Holy shiet are you a theologian? Or catholic? Not many catholics where I'm from. Never talked to a catholic. This why I asked, in good faith!
@@pixellips Thought I'd replied to this. I'm not, but I was raised Catholic. If you're interested in learning more about Church doctrine, I'd advise asking your local pastor.
I swear nobody actually understands anything about Catholicism and just goes off what they heard on like random cartoons like Family Guy. It's pretty frustrating at this point. Like I think nothing they said was actually correct. It is impressive.
@@bakedhawaii Being a Christian who goes to a Catholic High School, it is not a braindead take. Obviously, Catholics wouldn't say they "worship" Mary. However, having observed many Catholics and Catholic traditions and prayer routines, Mary is prayed to far more often than God is prayed to. It isn't even close. Some church-approved prayers to her also included language that should be used when talking about Jesus, language that describes her as the hope of sinners and God's "pledge of salvation" to the world, etc. etc. On top of this already over-the-top language, the Hail Mary is prayed in my school way more often than any other prayer by a huge margin, and of course, the rosary, which is heavily endorsed by the Catholic Church, has many more Hail Marys than any other prayer. To any reasonable outsider, the focus clearly looks like it is on Mary and not Jesus, and when given the excuse that "Mary points to Jesus" it is nearly impossible to see how the language used and the focus on Mary is supposed to not primarily venerate Mary. Also, I haven't seen a single teacher in my whole school with pictures of Jesus up(beyond crucifixes), but many of them have Our Lady of Guadalupe or stuff like that. The devotion to Mary in the Catholic Church is very over-the-top, and since there is almost no focus on Jesus to even it out it is fair for anyone to think that Mary is the main focus. Even to the point that people can say that Catholics "worship" Mary, though you'll likely deny that to your grave.
@@noigi15 I probably will because I don't worship her? It's simple as "I respect Mary highly as the mother of God". I can understand why you see it that way, but I suppose it can be chalked up to perspective? I am still learning about my own faith so I don't have the answers to it all. I'm not looking for any more debate, because that's not my life, God bless my friend. edit: I'm sure you can find a lot of the answers online too.
The entire argument falls apart if you know history. Catholics kept the oral tradition then wrote down formalized divine liturgy. The catholic church preceded the formal bible. It's literally what catholic means, the entire full tradition of Christianity.
Prot4stants dont even know their "sola scriptura" belief is literally written by cathoics. Is not like quran where allah gave their followers a book, in christianity it had a scientific explanation our book
You've either never read the Bible, or never read the catholic church councils. The councils contradict the bible, and they literally say if you disagree with the councils, you are anathema (cursed). The catholic church is a cult
Fun fact: The first pope was St. Peter, one of the 12 apostles who was selected by Jesus to lead Christianity. Since then the average position has been held for 11 years and the predecessor history can be traced back directly to Jesus. This is why Catholicism makes up the largest group of Christians, but with the average rotation of the pope being about a decade, it's understandable why some feel as though the leadership within the religion can come off as not traditional enough or too traditional depending on the times.
2:30 "Including Mary in your prayers"...meaning the hail mary comes directly from scripture Luke 1:28 and Luke 1:41-42. If you understand the prayer it is scripture and asking asking Mary to pray for you. Catholics ask for Saints "people we believe are in heaven" to pray for us just like asking any other Christian to pray for us.
The verses you have sited only talk of how blessed Mary is to have conceived Christ and how the Lord has favored her, that is all, to interpret anymore is pure assumption and nothing more
Orthodox here 🙋♂️. In regards to the bit on confession... No, the notion of abusing trust and dealing in spilt tea was not the purpose of going to a priest for confession. Although, im sure that HAS happened as we are all somewhat frail and temptable. In accordance with St James the Apostle's command that we "confess sins to one another that" we "may be forgiven", the original practice of confession wasn't to confess to God alone, but rather to confess publicky before the entire congregation. As you might imagine, this had some scandalous consequences at times when some very dastardly acts had been committed, especially when it involved several members of the congregation. So, rather than maintain that initial practice and overburden the average member of the congregation with the standard command not to judge but to forgive while also loading them up with some seriously strong tea about people they know and see regularly, the practice of confessing to the priests was instituted. The role of clergy(deacons included) was already in effect, so that transition was a simple one, and effective at fulfilling the goal of confession while severely limiting congregations being scandalized by other members' failings.
Bruh if I tell the priest about jerking off to weird shit and then he comes in Sunday starting the sermon with how the devil tries to tempt us with hentai I’m throwing hands
@@ajjohn8729 neither were the people, who put together the Canon of the New Testament. also Peter was "the rock of the church" and was the first bishop made by Christ... so either Jesus was WRONG or Peter is Right both are either right, or both wrong
I don't get the hate for Mary. She is the mother of Christ and Catholics do not pray to Mary because she is all powerful. Catholics ask Mary and other saints to intercede for them.
Please do not base your opinions or ideas on Catholicism based on this video. The inaccuracies are insane and promote incredibly false teachings of Catholic theology. Please check out Fr. Mike Shmitz, Matt Fradd, or Trent Horn for quality teachings. Thank you
This was kinda painful to listen to at points, but glad they realize they should asking these questions to a knowledgable Catholic. There’s a really vibrant Catholic content creator community on TH-cam, so these guys should definitely invite one of them onto the show. Trent Horn, Michael Lofton, Matt Fradd, Father Mark Goring, anyone from The Logos Project, Jeremiah Bannister, Father Mike Schmitz, and more. Heck, I’ve got a Master’s degree in Catholic theology, I’d come on. Just don’t talk to Taylor Marshall lmao
Honestly it just bothers me that Taylor thinks he has total knowledge over Catholic teaching and presents everything he says as objective fact. All they need to do is get a knowledgeable Catholic and have a 40 minute conversation.
I was pretty caught off guard by Taylor's ability to articulate the grace of Christ and the similarities of the works based Catholics to the works based pharisees who did to Judaism what the Catholics do with the gospel. most christians tend not to even care enough to see that in the bible, let alone more agnostic or athiests.
@@edward3320 you don't lazily get to that take reading the bible. personally I don't think people can just explain it like that, show what the gospel is and isn't, how to be saved and not be saved unless they're saved themselves. it really gives a bit more context to Bible stories
@@TheGovernmentputcrackinmyblunt most of my Bible revelations and understanding have come through wendigoon ,but definitely a welcome conversation from Taylor aswell
A lot of it is historically accurate but isn't anymore. Dunkin on the catolic church because of indulgences is like shitting on your friend for what they did in middle school. The church has changed for the better and most religions have some less then reputable income streams
“And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.” Luke 11:27-28 KJV
Protestants look past the apostasy of Martin Luther that broke his vows of chastity, argued for bigamy (polygamous marriage), and feared for his immortal soul. He was anti semetic too, if that even matters to protestants.
@JohnJohnson67851 because Martin Luther did so to a diabolic degree. He is the source of linking that group to luring children to be killed and drinking blood. That religion as you know is anti-Jesus. He was right about many things...what he was wrong about was terrible.
Taylor seems a bit mad. "Confession is a way to spill your secrets!" Yes, Taylor, the priest sure does have a lot leverage because Jimbo confessed to watch porn. And now Taylor, we don't worship Saints, we venerate and ask them to speak for us, because we are dirty of Sin, in no state to speak with God.
That's a lot of cute excuses with no basis in Scripture beyond intentional misinterpretation, but try not to act so smug when you're both ill-informed and willfully disingenuous.
@@GenericProtagonist7 John 20:23, "Whoever's sins you forgive, they are forgiven them. Whoever's sins you retain, they have been retained" the authority to forgive sins was given to the apostles. Moaning about how that isn't true goes against scripture.
Praying to saints, venerating relics, and purgatory are all 1st century Christians beliefs.. Martin Luther removed the books pertaining to them. Jesus breathed on the apostles saying “receive ye the Holy Ghost, whose sins are forgiven are forgiven, and those retained are retained. Catholic and Orthodox Churches have valid apostolic succession.. those churches have confession. Ignatius of Antioch, who was a disciple of John and consecrated by Peter can clue us into what he learned from the apostles through his letters.. here’s his abridged writings. “Confess your sins in Church” “Rome holds the presidency of Christianity” -and most importantly- “Beware the heretics who don’t confess the true presence of Christ in the Eucharist, they will perish in their disputes” Protestants will say Jesus was speaking metaphorically in John 6… yet John’s disciples (Ignatius and Polycarp) would deem you a heretic for not believing in the real presence of Christ. “Ye who doesn’t eat my flesh, has no life in you”
@@ignatiusjackson235 I am Christian. However, Christ wouldnt have asked us to sin. The Holy Communion is strictly symbolic. "Do this in remembrance of me". In John 6, when Jesus is referring to the bread of Life, he is talking about his teachings. The discipleship he gives to the 12 is their daily bread. It also works to unify the church under one. Whoever eats his bread (follows his teachings) and drinks his blood (becoming part of the body of Christ) is a true christian. Catholics must stop taking some verses hyperliterally and other nonchalantly.
@@FFF_FilmsforFun If you're a Christian, you should be following Christ. When the disciples questioned Him after the Bread of Life discourse in John 6, *HE DOUBLED DOWN,* and He let them leave. In what friggin' universe does that make sense unless he was speaking of His real presence in the Eucharist? They had clearly believed in Him before that. He explains all the other parables in John's Gospel. This one is clearly different. As far as the "remembrance" portion is concerned, that's totally irrelevant. Of course, we're doing it in remembrance of Him! That says absolutely nothing about whether it was literal or symbolic. Oh, and the Church Fathers, without exception, and their descendants were taking things literally for the entire first MILLENNIUM and a half, so the burden of proof is on you there.
@@ignatiusjackson235 Remember that the Church Fathers were humans as well. Their word is not divine law. Sticking too much to tradition is literally what Jesus spoke up against with the Pharisees. He let them leave because he is God and he allows them to have free will. the reason they left was because their faith was weak in Christ. Mine and yours are not,, I hope. Also, I am not saying the Eucharist is not real, he can be present.However, it is more symbolic. Because as I will state again. A righteous loving God will not command his followers to eat his flesh ltierally and drink his blood literally. Many pagan traditions believe eating flesh of a demigod orr god will grant them power. How can you call the remembrance portion irrelevant??? The biggest stool leg of Christianity is to remember what Christ did on the cross and the blood that he shed for us as payment for our sins. It doesn in fact have everything to do about it being symbolic.
I love wendigoon but man was this hard to sit through. I’m not even Catholic but basically everything is straight up wrong. There’s nothing in the Bible about confession? What about Christ giving the apostles the power to bind and loose in heaven and earth? What about James telling us to confess to one another? I wonder if the churches they attend do public group confessions then. Oh wait, most sola Scriptura people pick and choose what they want to practice, and everything else has some sort of “cultural context” that somehow the entire body of christians missed until some dude in 1500s
Jesus giving spiritual authority to his disciples was necessary as He was not sacrificed yet, since he sacrificed Himself we all have access to the same Holy Spirit they were, and confessing to each other isn't literal confession of every single sin you have committed, it was talking about those you've trespassed against, that you should be up front with them about your wrongdoings toward them.
They would just say nothing except about how they have their faith and that's that, most Catholics have very little knowledge on Catholicism and religion in general, I live in a predominant Catholic country, they tend to just believe cause that's what they were told, most believe in psychics and angels/ghosts aswell, they don't use logic in their arguments just that they have feelings, the discussion would be over in 10 mins cause they'd add nothing except just disagree with Taylor
@@QuickxScopexKing Very generalized comment as there are many knowledgeable catholics that they could get in contact with, but I see your point. It makes me cringe how many catholics believe in superstition (particularly hispanic catholics, since that is the group that I am a part of.)
@@QuickxScopexKing Oh, yeah, of course... The Church that produced Thomas Aquinas is afraid of asking questions! 😂😂😂😂 Trent Horn, Michael Lofton, Jimmy Akin, Brant Pitre, Joe Heschmeyer, Scott Hahn, John Bergsma, Ferris from HTB Christian, Rod Bennett, Keith Nester, Steve Ray, and so many others would be chompin' at the bit to intellectually destroy this petulant wannabe sophist.
@ignatiusjackson235 if you read my comment correctly and not emotional react cause you're so insecure of your beliefs you'd of noticed I said most not 6 out of a billion
Would love to see y'all talk to a knowledgeable (key word: knowledgeable) Catholic on the topics you brought up here. A lot of what was said was a bit off or wrong entirely...
Protestants at this point are just ignoring the conversation when they get the answer on why Catholics pray to Mary. Also, I couldn't tell you how many times I've seen protestants request others to pray for them. Taylor also seems a totally reliable authority on the history of the sacrament of confession.
@@Yo-0o0o0o0o Here's an easy verse for why saints aren't "dead.": John 3:16 "...Whosever believes in me shall not die, but have eternal life." When there are commands not to pray to the dead, these are specifically commands not to pray to those in hell, those who are dead in spirit, as they will misguide you. Anybody in Heaven wants you there just as God does, and will pray for you and with you to God. Just like your grandma does while she's physically alive on earth, praying for her grandkids.
@@Yo-0o0o0o0o It seems you and I have very different definitions and stances. For example "Hades and Hell" in Catholicism are the same thing. Indeed, the term hell originates as a translation of Hades or Gehenna in the Greek or Hebrew. To expand on that, there's no difference between "the eternal fire after the final battle" and the afterlife of those who die now rejecting Christ. To reject God is to reject goodness, love, truth, and to choose Hell. There's no limbo there where people who have died are waiting until the end times to enter into a state of rejecting God, they're already rejecting God. Indeed, the rejection itself is the essence of Hell. Hell isn't an arbitrary place of fire, its the state of totally rejecting God and the natural consequences of that choice. On the topic of "physically dead" and "spiritually dead," this is where English is fun because we don't have a term that only means one or the other, we have to specify with "Spiritual." However, I urge you to reread John 3:16 and tell me that you honestly think it does not mean somebody in Heaven is not eternally alive. Especially considering other verses like Ephesians 2:1 "And you he made alive, when you were dead through the trespasses and sins." Different translations translate that second half as "dead in spirit" or "dead through your sins," but the idea is the same: That the people being spoken to are physically alive but spiritually dead. This split is also seen in Romans 8:13, "For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live." Except now the passage discusses how one who lives with God is alive spiritually in spite of the body. This split exists biblically, and it is biblical that living in God is how how one avoids true death, the death of the spirit. Side note, I could say the same "twisting" criticism about people claiming that Jesus promising eternal life somehow did not actually mean eternal life. It goes both ways, so lets stay on point. Also, none of this changes that there is no difference between Grandma praying for you in her Kitchen or Grandma praying for you in Heaven. Indeed, according to James the prayers of the Righteous are powerful, and what people are more righteous than those with God in heaven?
@@Yo-0o0o0o0o The interesting part is that there are commands to pray for each other by St. Paul, there are mentions of the Saints praying to God in Heaven in Revelation, there are the previously mentioned verses regarding people being alive or dead in the spirit and the connection of that to being in hell, and then verses of how the saints in heaven are truly alive and thus not dead. However. At the end point, there is no single command to either pray specifically to people in Heaven, nor a command against. We can piece together that people in Heaven are not dead, and thus infer that the command against necromancy does not apply, especially considering the context of necromancing spirits pulls people away from God while asking a saint to pray for you would pull you towards God. Yet there is no one line that says it verbatim. Meaning we need to interpret, meaning we need someone we can trust to teach us. Like Acts 8:31, "How can I know (What I am reading)? Unless someone teaches me." For you, you have been taught that "Prayers of righteous are the ones on Earth," where it never specifically says that. I have been taught the opposite, that this is not limited to the physical Earth. How do we know who's right? I would claim the successor of Peter's authority with the guarantee of Matthew 16, and unbroken tradition of prayers to saints since Roman times, as my backing and teacher. What of you?
10:45 you can physically see Kyle already start to lose his shit over Taylor's pronunciation and imagined name of the tribesman. One of the funniest moments I have seen on the show in a long while.
Alternate caption: people who don’t know about what Catholics believe, or what the church teaches, or why it teaches that talk about the Catholic Church
Ironically you have no idea who Wendigoon or Taylor is because if you did you would probably know Taylor grew up a Christian and Wendigoon is a Sunday teacher
@@ChrisRitty Sunday school teacher for a more evangelical Christian church doesn’t mean you know anything about The Catholic Church. And If Taylor was raised Catholic that doesn’t mean much considering I went to Catholic grade school but didn’t learn much about what the Church teaches and why until afterwards.
Taylors hatred if anything Christian is so odd... He says so many wrong things in these 20 minutes i wouldn't know where to start. But just in the first 4 minutes he talks about including Mary in ur prayers... See the thing is that Catholics are ASKING the saints and Mary to pray for us, just the same way if ur sick or having a personal issue u might ask ur family and friends to pray for you, "Hey Mike I got cancer, can you please send up some prayers for me man?" It's the same as that. the hail Mary prayer ends with "Pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death." Secondly Taylor beings up the confession thing, which I'm really surprised about. I thought everyone knew this part, confession isnt done in the middle of the street in front of hundreds of people for the whole town to hear u lol its always 1 on 1. Catholic men who become priests are literally fulfilling a vocation to live the life of Jesus. You confess to them and receive a penance. God forgives your sins through this sacrament. And yes u can still get forgiveness without going directly to a priest but for many people they feel closer with God since they go directly into a church and confess to the father of the church who is a direct representation of God/Jesus, hence why you call priests by the name of 'father'. Taylor loves being a pompous boastful rude arrogant and smug atheist prick. To all the Christians out there, never forget, these atheists LOVE more than anything to press you, make u feel stupid for your beliefs, and they try to embarrass you. so just keep that in mind and don't let them even upset or annoy u at all.
Taylor seems to know his Bible pretty well for someone who "hates anything Christian." You might have been better saying "hates anything Catholic" but that doesn't really work either, as he jumps up to defend the pageantry and ritual of the Vatican as a good thing. Also I'm confused by you mentioning that confession in Catholicism is private and not done in public, as that's exactly what they say in the clip, they even explain what they don't like about it
yes i do feel like some parts in the video were disrespectful, and wendigoon does seem to get a bit uncomfortable at moments, as well as the majority of the comment section putting down and not be respectful of others beliefs. wish people in general could just learn to respect one another
I think it’s more ignorance cause he doesn’t understand what he’s talking about. I get it though as a former protestant and hearing so many lies and misconceptions about the Catholic Church
1. While yes, intercession is a powerful thing and is Biblical (ex. Job prayed for his friends), nowhere in the Bible where someone pray to someone who has already passed away to intercede for them. If this is really a Christian doctrine, you would see many Bible characters doing it but no. Nowhere in both the Old and New Testament has such practice. It may even be called witchcraft since you're trying to speak to the dead to try to do something for you which is a big no-no in Christianity. So, equating it to someone alive to pray for you is different from someone who has already passed away. 2. It's not really the confession part but rather the authority of priests to forgive sins which is a central Catholic doctrine that was supposedly passed only to them. Also, priests are forbidden to marry or some such when that isn't a thing even for the early church but just something the Catholic Church made up along the way. Yes, it's commendable to not marry and be devoted only to God but that isn't a requirement. Whether you marry or not means nothing but your actions toward God and men are what counts.
@@silenthero2795 1. are you saying those in heaven aren't eternally alive in heaven and that God is not the god of the living but instead the god of the dead? 2. There are rites in the catholic church in which priests do marry. Paul himself says that chastity is a great thing. Priests try to live in persona Christi or in the person of the christ. Christ did not marry because the church was his bride. The same is true for priests in the Latin rite.
Kyle's missing the point here. You DON'T deserve to go to heaven! You AREN'T good enough! Nobody is! We are all sinners. The Lord offers us forgiveness anyways. That's the point. You are unworthy, but God loves you even still. If you repent, and accept Jesus as your Lord and saviour, you will be forgiven, and shall have eternal life.
As a Catholic, I recommend that next time they invite a practicing Catholic on to discuss and clarify. Because a lot of what they are saying are severe misconceptions.
Luke 1:46 49 Mary prophecies that all generations will call her blessed for god has done many great things for her so why would we not ask for someone who is blessed by god to pray for us their is no worship of her as a god but respect to her as the mother of god.
And on the topic of confession Taylor is referring to practices that took place in the catholic church over hundreds of years ago im not sure if they still do it now I’m an orthodox convert and we do confession as well but a priest will be excommunicated for speaking about confession that members of the church partake for its seen as a sacrament a holy tradition that goes back to the apostles to confess your sins in front of Christ with a priest their as merely a witness before it was the entire church said in James 5:16 “confess your sins to one another and pray for one another” you confess to Christ alone and in the church you still only confess to Christ but the priest is a witness and a spiritual father who can guide you through your path of repentance
@@oakinson1585 We still do that. We're famous for it, in fact. Breaking the seal of the confessional is grounds for immediate excommunication. Alfred Hitchcock based a whole movie around it. I don't believe the Orthodox have much difference at all with regards to the Sacrament of Penance.
@@ignatiusjackson235 That's good Catholics and orthodox are brothers in the faith even if we bicker amongst ourselves I'm happy to know our traditions are not being tainted for the faithful to reach salvation
It's dissapointing to see, but he at least seemed the most respectful and open. I would truly enjoy a thorough campfire and monobloc conversation with him.
Oh, you clearly don’t know Catholicism then, you also don’t seem to understand sarcasm and jokes. It’s hysterical that anytime a person asks a question Catholic’s always take offense to it, and never really is willing to talk about the history/ or the reasons why they do something.
@@catnappernellie1211 prove it, bud you were literally doing what my comment said. Bring some thing up that will actually refute my statement otherwise You were just proving my point.
You know what's funny is Mormons (LDS church) if you attend one of their churches they always have the Old and New Testaments in the pews along with the Book of Mormon and hymn book, and if you're a kid in the LDS church you basically just get taught the basic Bible stories, it's only once you're past puberty you really get taught the funny Mormon stuff
I know a girl who joined of her own free will at age 23. She went through like 3 years of classes and stuff. Then she got to the final admission ceremony at the temple where you become a "real Mormon" and it was SO WEIRD she left and never went back...after investing YEARS to get to that point.
I've been to catholic churches all my life. I've never heard of paying the church to get your loved one's out of purgatory. What churches do westerners go to? I've been to catholic churches in two continents and I have not heard or seen any of what Taylor has said. Another thing, why would Jesus go and say that he would build the church on peter if he didn't mean for churches to be a thing? But one thing you guys are right about is that the Catholic church is in trouble. Since i was a kid my grandma and mom would tell me how there are demons in the church. Things trying to undermine the original message of Jesus. All we can do is pray.
@@duffystrings9680 That's what protestants think "selling indulgences" were. In fact, the Catholic Church never preached this, and the local practice of certain bishops using indulgences as a means of fundraising was explicitly banned at the Council of Trent. As to your last "point," the Catholic Church is doing just fine. It's always been a perfect institution of imperfect men. If what you are saying is true, then it's been "in trouble" since the days of Judas Iscariot.
Yeah sorry, I'm orthodox and there is nothing wrong to praying to Mary or a saint, you're not worshipping them like God. Plus sorry we were around the longest I thunk we know..m
I genuinely appreciate these conversations. Taylor is able to offer up some great theological knowledge and perspectives without making it an absolute drag.
Confessional has never been "paying to remove sins", you have to seek forgiveness and pay penance to truly be forgiven for sins, penance typically is to give up something you indulge in, and what do rich people (especially in the past) indulge with? Money
2:26 it's called veneration taylor. The bible teaches many times to do this and pray for the "dead" but im not a fan of catholics either because ya know orthodox gang.
@@a15thcenturysuitofgothicarmor Explain why so many Eastern Fathers explicitly support the fillioque. 🤷♂️ Also, dude. Just come back already. The first seven ecumenical councils are littered with the idea of Roman primacy.
@@a15thcenturysuitofgothicarmor Like whom? Cyril of Alexandria, Gregory of Nyssa, Basil the Great, John of Damascus, Maximus the Confessor, Didymus the Blind, Gregory the Wonderworker, Epiphanius of Salamis... the list goes on and on... Ignatius was the Bishop of Antioch, not of Rome... so, I don't know what that last part is even supposed to mean, brother. Moreover, let it be known that I'm not attempting to start an argument here. I pray everyday for an end to the schism. If I didn't care for you, brother, then I wouldn't even have brought it up. Spend some time with those materials, and study how they relate to the nature of the Trinity. God be with you. Peace and love!
@@a15thcenturysuitofgothicarmor “Since the Holy Spirit when he is in us effects our being conformed to God, and he actually proceeds from the Father and Son, it is abundantly clear that he is of the divine essence, in it in essence and proceeding from it” (Treasury of the Holy Trinity, thesis 34 [A.D. 424]). - Cyril of Alexandria “[T]he Holy Spirit flows from the Father in the Son” (ibid.). - Cyril of Alexandria “Likewise we believe also in one Holy Spirit, the Lord and giver of life . . . in all things like to the Father and Son; proceeding from the Father and communicated through the Son” (Exposition of the Orthodox Faith 8 [A.D. 712]). - John of Damascus “And the Holy Spirit is the power of the Father revealing the hidden mysteries of his divinity, proceeding from the Father through the Son in a manner known to himself, but different from that of generation” (ibid., 12). - John of Damascus “I say that God is always Father since he has always his Word [the Son] coming from himself and, through his Word, the Spirit issuing from him” (Dialogue Against the Manicheans 5 [A.D. 728]). - John of Damascus “By nature the Holy Spirit in his being takes substantially his origin from the Father through the Son who is begotten (Questions to Thalassium 63 [A.D. 630-633]). - Maxiumus the Confessor “[The] Father conveys the notion of unoriginate, unbegotten, and Father always; the only-begotten Son is understood along with the Father, coming from him but inseparably joined to him. Through the Son and with the Father, immediately and before any vague and unfounded concept interposes between them, the Holy Spirit is also perceived conjointly” (Against Eunomius 1 [A.D. 382]). - Gregory of Nyssa “As we have understood discussions . . . about the incorporeal natures, so too it is now to be recognized that the Holy Spirit receives from the Son that which he was of his own nature. . . . So too the Son is said to receive from the Father the very things by which he subsists. For neither has the Son anything else except those things given him by the Father, nor has the Holy Spirit any other substance than that given him by the Son” (The Holy Spirit 37 [A.D. 362]). - Didymus the Blind “[There is] one Holy Spirit, having substance from God, and who is manifested through the Son; image of the Son, perfect of the perfect; life, the cause of living; holy fountain; sanctity, the dispenser of sanctification; in whom is manifested God the Father who is above all and in all, and God the Son who is through all. Perfect Trinity, in glory and eternity and sovereignty neither divided nor estranged” (Confession of Faith [A.D. 265]). - Gregory the Wonderworker “Through the Son, who is one, he [the Holy Spirit] is joined to the Father, one who is one, and by himself completes the Blessed Trinity” (The Holy Spirit 18:45 [A.D. 375]). - Basil the Great “[T]he goodness of [the divine] nature, the holiness of [that] nature, and the royal dignity reach from the Father through the only-begotten [Son] to the Holy Spirit. Since we confess the persons in this manner, there is no infringing upon the holy dogma of the monarchy” (ibid., 18:47). - Basil the Great There's more, but that's a good start.
It does go to show that you can pretend to be some kind of "wholesome, ecumenical Sunday school teacher" and tread very carefully with getting things wrong about other religions, but you can easily drop the act and just agree to obviously blasphemous or incorrect characterizations of Catholicism and you can not feel that you need to be more careful (given that you have Catholic fans) or at least have the nuts to tell your cohosts to knock it off. Whether Wendigoon is just a liar about his ecumenical attitude or is just a wimp is a 50/50.
I mean or you could just stop whining, these guys shit on religion all the time but suddenly Wendi needs to play moral police because you can't handle banter. Being self righteous isn't approved by Christ.
@genericprotagonist2842 Pointing out the cowardice of a man that plays the ecumenical role despite anti-Catholicism is not "moral self righteousness", that's called pointing out cuckery from someone who does know better, or at least pretends to. Also lol'ing at the Shadman pfp playing up the moral high ground
Confession is not so the priest "can know sins and provide advice," that is just a helpful sub-product of the Sacrament. Us Catholics believe that Confession is necessary due to Jesus Christ setting it up in the New Testament after His resurrection. Once Jesus returns to His disciples He breathes into them, and instructs them to go out a unbind individuals from their sin according to their judgement and ultimately God's (John 20:21-23). This can be assumed to be under the pretense that the confessor/sinner is truly penitent and not just trying to get a "get-out-of-Hell pass." The reason that priests have this ability is due to apostolic succession. We believe that Jesus bestowed the title of Priesthood to the disciples during the last supper by washing their feet and instructing them to imitate the last supper (all of this is done in similarity and imitation of the Jewish "Priest's" role during passover). Finally, confessions are not supposed to be done on the street loudly as the people in the video have stated. Confession is not a prideful display of piety. Confession is supposed to be done in private with the confessor and the priest. In fact, the priest is committing a mortal sin if he discusses what was said in confession and can be punished by the local diocese. This comment is not meant to convince protestants but demonstrate that Catholics have extremely legitimate Biblical and traditional reasons for believing the things we do. Believe it or not, 2,000 years of self-reform and internal Theological debate will tend to make you form rationale for your doctrine.
Absolutely incorrect about Confession. Look up the Seal of Confession, and function of the priest. Also you cannot act like the selling of indulgences was not corrected and obviously seen as a flaw at the time.
Wendigoon would never publicly criticize liberalism like this because he values his TH-cam channel, subscribers and money over telling the truth so it's easier to just dunk on Catholicism. Protestantism isn't much different than liberalism or judaism. Find God
Taylor is mostly speaking for less than 1% of the catholic society that he have seen in his entire life its easy to criticize on a huge society and culture that you only seen a very small fraction of it can't judge the whole world by seeing a few of the people.
I grew up Catholic and I have no idea what these people are talking about, they don't believe any of this stuff, for starters the Virgin Mary is not adored she's venerated. It's always weird to me when religious people talk shit about other religions when they don't know the whys or hows behind anything they talk shit about.
1:25 Wendigoon be like: Any religion that's like "800 years later, there was a 2nd part" is CRAZY But *1500* years later is A-OK!!! 😂 I know what he means, as in ENTIRELY NEW revelations, i.e. Muslims or Mormons, but the doctrines of Sola Fide and Sola Scriptura (for instance) were entirely new doctrines that ZERO of the Church Fathers preached. That's not much different. It's just not as obvious to the casual observer. The Bible itself never supports the doctrine of Sola Scriptura. The Bible itself never tells us which books it should include! Thankfully for us, Jesus established a Church to do that. Jesus is shown ESTABLISHING HIS CHURCH on the rock of St. Peter. St. Paul instructs us to abide by the Traditions of the Apostles passed down by letter or *BY SPOKEN WORD.* Apostolic succession is represented in the Acts of the Apostles, when the deceased Judas Iscariot was replaced with Matthias. Letters of the Apostolic Fathers like Ignatius of Antioch, Polycarp of Smyrna, and Clement of Rome clearly depict the ecclesiology of the early Church, and they *KNEW the Apostles* John and Peter (respectively) in the flesh! The Bible itself wasn't even canonized until 382 at the Council of Rome, by the *very same* Catholic Church. You're welcome!
I was in tears when Taylor started doing the African accent… holy shit. Dude needs to do an open mic, he’s absolutely hilarious. I bet his crowd work would be on another level.
Confession is literally in the Bible. John 20:23. A verse most Protestants conveniently always leave out or do mental gymnastics to make it read as something besides its clear meaning.
@@CodeineCoffee Orthodoxy agrees that there is a certain purgation needed for the souls of the departed destined for heaven, but that experience has never been codified with the temporal model of years of suffering employed by Rome in the purgatory doctrine. That’s the only difference real difference.
@@CodeineCoffee Orthodoxy agrees that there is a certain purgation needed for the souls of the departed destined for heaven, but that experience has never been codified with the temporal model of years of suffering employed by Rome in the purgatory doctrine. That’s the only difference.
As a Catholic I think what Taylor said at the beggining is not very smart. I understand that you are not catholic but you dont need to laugh and despise catholicism. Catholics dont pray to saints or Mary. They asking them to help them with the prayers. Like: Holy Mary, help me to talk to your son. What you ve said about confession is bonkers. It exactly the opposite of what you ve said. The purpose of connfesion is that Priest can help you confess. Because the people are very capable of subconciously not admit to their sins and find many excuses. Psychology studies actually finds out, that if you are more smart, then you are more probably to find excuses to your behavior. The confession is not about telling secrets to Priest?? What are you talking about. Priest talking about confession is one of the HIGHEST SINS IN CATHOLICISM, and this is auto excomunication, auto excomunication even if no one finda out, like bishop or Pope. And maybe you dont believe that, but catholic priests believe that. Do you have any evidence, that catholics made confession to know peoples secrets and use them ? As a church institution, not some corrupted induviduals
I just love how beautifully these fools were sliced and diced by everyone in the comments who came with RECEIPTS. People can’t be fooled by the willfully ignorant anymore:)
So the priests doing a bad thing means the entire church should be thrown out? Im not sure I follow the logic, the church has certainly made its mistakes but men making mistakes doesnt invalidate what the church is and continues to do, very strange analysis and honestly I'd like to know what has happened in each of their personal lives that has made them so anti God let alone Catholic, there's a lot of shade being thrown by someone who claims to not be religious, it's more than telling
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Hearing Kyle rub his two braincells together trying to explain what a cargo cult is was pretty good.
Praying to Mary (or any other saint) isn't exactly praying to them as a deity but asking them to help you in your prayers to god.
A good example is how in the Hail Mary's lyrics, the only wish that appears is:
"Pray for us, sinners, now and at the hour of our death."
It doesn't say "save us, sinners", "forgive us, sinners", or something that implies she has the power of a deity. Her figure is respected and people ask for her blessing and prayer as they could ask any of their friends or family.
@@King_Kyros Exactly, she is heavily respected for being Jesus’ mother and is a prime example of what a true christian should be (and saints too) so if we should pray to anyone it should be to them since they have a closer relationship with God
How is this not communicating with the dead, which is forbidden?
@@jasons5904 in a way saints are seen as people who become something of an angel when they go to heaven. I don't know the specific rule you're talking about (it might not be a part of catholic canon) so I can't give a better example.
She doesn't talk back (usually).
I could just listen to Taylor and Wendigoon all day, with occasional input from Kyle. Yep, sounds perfect. Don’t think anything else would be needed.
Woody is Adam the Jew from cum town,,,
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Yea fuck woody
I agree whole heartedly. makes the podcast that much better.
Woody sucks
I actually forget that Taylor is a bible scholar. These two should have a channel
The most fun I could ever have learning about christianity.
Wait Taylor is a bible scholar? I thought he was just the average midwestern raised boy. We get +20 in the religion tree by birth.
@@munchymonk9021 you're right, Taylor works in marketing definitely isn't studying the bible in his spare time 😂
It’s hilarious considering how much he gets wrong in this video too
Marian prayers are taken verbatim from the gospels
@@ingolfringolfrson1577 I mean they all get a bunch of shit wrong, but honestly it’s all forgivable. I don’t expect them to know the ins and outs of my religion, especially since they make it clear that they couldn’t give two shits about religion of any kind. However, it would be nice to have them do a little research, especially if they plan on making Taylor’s bible stories a re-occurring thing. Like, Taylor was about to bring up the golden hammer myth, where cardinals allegedly determine whether the Pope is dead or not by hitting his head three times with a golden hammer/mallet, which has never happened. Like, it’s all fun and games making fun of a religion, but I feel as though Christian religions bear the brunt of the bullshit, especially after the whole pedophile scandal.
It is always like this. When I as a Catholic discuss theology with Eastern Orthodox it's a battle. We are going back and forth throwing definitions, history, culture, sources etc at each other and they understand our beliefs, they just disagree with them.
Meanwhile, arguing with Protestant does not feel rewarding in any way. It's always them having wild misconceptions about our beliefs and then strawmaning them. Just like here. Sad.
You are a goof bro. A lot of Protestants actually care about theology, history, and tradition. Catholics hate on other Christian’s more than they hate on you. I understand a ton about your Church, I do not agree- that’s fine we both believe in the Trinity
@@sammarshall1934 I do not hate anyone. Fact is, under every single video remotely related to Catholicism there will be Protestants being like "Idolatry!1!1" "devil worshippers1!1!"
@@sammarshall1934 don't get me started on anti-Catholic bigotry and prejudice in Protestant countries throughout history, which still exists
What's your thoughts on the pope and he's little place he lives Vatican city, being the 7 hills in revalation, he's a bad guy the prophecy said
@@Fallen-Saint oh my Lord, you are literally doing what I said you always do.
Vatican City is not even on any of the 7 hills of Rome, it is on a completely separate hill, the Vatican hill. Not one of the 7 hills of Rome, those are somewhere else. I guess pastor Bob withheld that information from you
I'll summarize for you guys
1. confession is so that priests can understand issues and vices within their community better and provide a private place for someone to speak to another person on actions they'd otherwise take to their grave. like almost all their duties, they're meant to make the process easier and more direct to a normal believer as they themselves are theologically educated community leaders.
2. The Pope is a deeply educated person with decades of experience in the church who has gone through multiple ranks and a high majority vote from their peers to enter that position. they're trusted to use their understanding of the faith and their experience as a leader for the greater benefit of the church and function as the closest human representative of God. though Popes are considered fully human and fallible and are acknowledged as such.
3. The church exists as a large central and almost corporate body mainly to help keep such a massive group grounded. Branch Davidians, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, The People's Temple etc. are all Protestant because when you alter and decay the faith it becomes easy to keep doing it. Catholicism would immediately strip the authority of any lone wacko trying to pull these stunts in their church.
3. The style of dress is for ceremonial purposes, iconography and it helps divide rank. asking why they dress like that is like asking why humans use uniforms anywhere in any setting.
4. Catholic priests in the modern day have far lower rates of CSA than Rabbi, Sheikhs, Protestant preachers, and almost any other religious group's respective clergy. the issue was dealt with in large part due to the church having the capacity to moderate itself. no institute is perfect, and that ever famous mini epidemic is a fine example of that.
Mormons and the rest aren’t Protestant 😭😭
Well said.
I don’t really think just because you make some statements with numbered points it makes what you’re saying true.
No to point 3. Many, if not all, of those groups shouldn’t even be considered Christians. JWs for example don’t recognize Christ’s divinity and can’t be considered Christians. Also, the Bible itself shows corporate religious structures can’t be trusted to stay consistent and holy. What do you think the Pharisees were? You shouldn’t trust a man to guide the faith, only God. To put any man above yourself and venerate him is shameful, whether you recognize him as still human or not. Like they referenced in this clip, part of why Jesus came was to strip away the unnecessary rules imposed on the Jews before Him. So why then should we obey non-biblical rules after?
@@peanutbutter6720So you think God refused to guide His church for 1500 years until some fat German heretic decided that he couldn’t handle living life as a monk and then poofed the real church into existence?
I NEED a full African accent conversation between Taylor and Dan Soder.
Taylor should be a comic. He's talked about girlfriends confronting him about not following through with comedy.
@@spookyskelly5276 being naturally funny is different from being a comedian. It's like the difference between a 40yrd dash time and actual football game speed.
@@MiniatureMorpheus exactly! Professionals are a whole new level but amateur games are fun to play too
Don’t forget Nick Millions
Catholics do not have to pay money to get relatives out of purgatory
They can tho
@@crmac135 No, they can't. Indulgences were eliminated from the Church's doctrine as part of the counter-Reformation.
it literally does not and has not worked that way, lmao
@@crmac135 They can’t the church never taught that. They taught and still teach indulgences which means they can donate to build more churches to bring people to the faith and their works will mean less time in purgatory
@@bloodhonor9010 it literally did tho lmaooooooo
I'm glad yall are self-aware, but yall should ask questions to an actual Catholic.
What do you think sets Catholicism apart from other Christian denominations?
@@pixellips Well, there's the fact it asserts an entirely different set of second-order beliefs regarding faith and works vs. sola fide, the canon of the saints, the incorporation of the traditions of the church fathers vs. sola scriptura, etc. This is rather like asking a Mahayana Buddhist about Therevada/Vajrayana traditions. Simply because two sects accept the same fundamental beliefs and are historically related does not mean that they are fungible.
@@philiphart4146 Holy shiet are you a theologian? Or catholic? Not many catholics where I'm from. Never talked to a catholic. This why I asked, in good faith!
@@pixellips Thought I'd replied to this. I'm not, but I was raised Catholic. If you're interested in learning more about Church doctrine, I'd advise asking your local pastor.
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It always tickles me seeing protestants seethe about catholics
they are protestants after all.
I dunno man, whole lotta catholics seething in these comments.
A lot of Catholics seething in the comments
They are just saying true statements and catholics are going 'akshually'
@@garrettdixon9563maybe because none of what they said is even close to what they believe in lmfao
I swear nobody actually understands anything about Catholicism and just goes off what they heard on like random cartoons like Family Guy. It's pretty frustrating at this point. Like I think nothing they said was actually correct. It is impressive.
you worship Mary. enuff said
@@misterwhalrus7334 how?
@@triggered8556bro gave a braindead take, proves the point of comment above, refuses to elaborate 💀
@@bakedhawaii Being a Christian who goes to a Catholic High School, it is not a braindead take. Obviously, Catholics wouldn't say they "worship" Mary. However, having observed many Catholics and Catholic traditions and prayer routines, Mary is prayed to far more often than God is prayed to. It isn't even close. Some church-approved prayers to her also included language that should be used when talking about Jesus, language that describes her as the hope of sinners and God's "pledge of salvation" to the world, etc. etc. On top of this already over-the-top language, the Hail Mary is prayed in my school way more often than any other prayer by a huge margin, and of course, the rosary, which is heavily endorsed by the Catholic Church, has many more Hail Marys than any other prayer. To any reasonable outsider, the focus clearly looks like it is on Mary and not Jesus, and when given the excuse that "Mary points to Jesus" it is nearly impossible to see how the language used and the focus on Mary is supposed to not primarily venerate Mary. Also, I haven't seen a single teacher in my whole school with pictures of Jesus up(beyond crucifixes), but many of them have Our Lady of Guadalupe or stuff like that. The devotion to Mary in the Catholic Church is very over-the-top, and since there is almost no focus on Jesus to even it out it is fair for anyone to think that Mary is the main focus. Even to the point that people can say that Catholics "worship" Mary, though you'll likely deny that to your grave.
@@noigi15 I probably will because I don't worship her? It's simple as "I respect Mary highly as the mother of God". I can understand why you see it that way, but I suppose it can be chalked up to perspective? I am still learning about my own faith so I don't have the answers to it all. I'm not looking for any more debate, because that's not my life, God bless my friend.
edit: I'm sure you can find a lot of the answers online too.
"Mel Gibson will set you straight"
-my sole takeaway from this segment
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Mel Gibson is a borderline schismatic.
The entire argument falls apart if you know history. Catholics kept the oral tradition then wrote down formalized divine liturgy. The catholic church preceded the formal bible. It's literally what catholic means, the entire full tradition of Christianity.
🇻🇦THERE'S ONLY ONE HOLY CATHOLIC & APOSTOLIC CHURCH 🇻🇦
Prot4stants dont even know their "sola scriptura" belief is literally written by cathoics.
Is not like quran where allah gave their followers a book, in christianity it had a scientific explanation our book
ok buddy retard
Amen! 🇻🇦
Wrong, it was the Eastern Orthodox that preserved the scriptures and traditions of the early church
Bro is so clueless about Catholic theology I'm getting second hand embarrassment watching this
You've either never read the Bible, or never read the catholic church councils. The councils contradict the bible, and they literally say if you disagree with the councils, you are anathema (cursed). The catholic church is a cult
Fun fact: The first pope was St. Peter, one of the 12 apostles who was selected by Jesus to lead Christianity. Since then the average position has been held for 11 years and the predecessor history can be traced back directly to Jesus. This is why Catholicism makes up the largest group of Christians, but with the average rotation of the pope being about a decade, it's understandable why some feel as though the leadership within the religion can come off as not traditional enough or too traditional depending on the times.
Fun fact: this isn't true
@@briggy4359 bet
@@briggy4359 Source?
@@Wildydog my source is your lack of evidence.
@@briggy4359This is true. There is literal documentation of every single Pope since Pope St. Peter.
Kyle: "there's nothing it just goes black".
Wendigoon: Gets quite for a moment.
Kyle the typa guy to think death just feels like going to sleep forever
@@lucian5389 like 7th Day Adventists
@@lucian5389 Because it is 😂 we have 0 substantial evidence to the contrary.
@@lucian5389 you remember before you were born? it's like that.
@@tbug50if the possibility exists for there to be other dimensions, why can't one of those dimensions potentially be hell?
2:30 "Including Mary in your prayers"...meaning the hail mary comes directly from scripture Luke 1:28 and Luke 1:41-42. If you understand the prayer it is scripture and asking asking Mary to pray for you. Catholics ask for Saints "people we believe are in heaven" to pray for us just like asking any other Christian to pray for us.
Saints are role models not idols to be worshipped.
Nobody worships saints doofus
I love how Protestants pretend to be Bible scholars but don’t even understand or read the Bible
The verses you have sited only talk of how blessed Mary is to have conceived Christ and how the Lord has favored her, that is all, to interpret anymore is pure assumption and nothing more
@@hisnotsolonely2961 Good thing we dont worship them then
Orthodox here 🙋♂️. In regards to the bit on confession...
No, the notion of abusing trust and dealing in spilt tea was not the purpose of going to a priest for confession. Although, im sure that HAS happened as we are all somewhat frail and temptable. In accordance with St James the Apostle's command that we "confess sins to one another that" we "may be forgiven", the original practice of confession wasn't to confess to God alone, but rather to confess publicky before the entire congregation. As you might imagine, this had some scandalous consequences at times when some very dastardly acts had been committed, especially when it involved several members of the congregation. So, rather than maintain that initial practice and overburden the average member of the congregation with the standard command not to judge but to forgive while also loading them up with some seriously strong tea about people they know and see regularly, the practice of confessing to the priests was instituted. The role of clergy(deacons included) was already in effect, so that transition was a simple one, and effective at fulfilling the goal of confession while severely limiting congregations being scandalized by other members' failings.
Clearly these people know nothing about Catholicism
Confession allows a priest to know what vices are plaguing the community and to steer their weekly sermons toward addressing those specific issues
Bruh if I tell the priest about jerking off to weird shit and then he comes in Sunday starting the sermon with how the devil tries to tempt us with hentai I’m throwing hands
Still a bizarre addition
Confession is a great tool with many uses, but like any tool it can be reappropriated or misused
@@MontySlython It’s not an addition this is what the early church and early Christians did even Jews before Jesus’s coming it’s a sacrament
Based apologetics
He is just stating his opinions on Catholic Church, confession and stating them as facts xD
That’s how it works.
no one tells him about the letters of St. Peter and St. Timothy that advocates confession
Something something "Who's sins you forgive are forgiven... What you loose on earth shall be loosed in Heaven"... Totally unbiblical. Totally /sarc
@@tsfnope3286peter and Timothy are not Christ.
@@ajjohn8729 neither were the people, who put together the Canon of the New Testament.
also Peter was "the rock of the church" and was the first bishop made by Christ... so either Jesus was WRONG or Peter is Right
both are either right, or both wrong
I don't get the hate for Mary. She is the mother of Christ and Catholics do not pray to Mary because she is all powerful. Catholics ask Mary and other saints to intercede for them.
Please do not base your opinions or ideas on Catholicism based on this video. The inaccuracies are insane and promote incredibly false teachings of Catholic theology. Please check out Fr. Mike Shmitz, Matt Fradd, or Trent Horn for quality teachings. Thank you
This was kinda painful to listen to at points, but glad they realize they should asking these questions to a knowledgable Catholic. There’s a really vibrant Catholic content creator community on TH-cam, so these guys should definitely invite one of them onto the show.
Trent Horn, Michael Lofton, Matt Fradd, Father Mark Goring, anyone from The Logos Project, Jeremiah Bannister, Father Mike Schmitz, and more. Heck, I’ve got a Master’s degree in Catholic theology, I’d come on.
Just don’t talk to Taylor Marshall lmao
None of those guys would come to a podcast like this.
Honestly it just bothers me that Taylor thinks he has total knowledge over Catholic teaching and presents everything he says as objective fact. All they need to do is get a knowledgeable Catholic and have a 40 minute conversation.
Yeah. Virtually everything stated here was painfully incorrect.
Inspiring Philosophy is also a great channel who I feel would totally come on
@@afrog8574 Adding Mathoma on here. His videos on classical theism and thomastic metaphysics are unmatched
I was pretty caught off guard by Taylor's ability to articulate the grace of Christ and the similarities of the works based Catholics to the works based pharisees who did to Judaism what the Catholics do with the gospel. most christians tend not to even care enough to see that in the bible, let alone more agnostic or athiests.
Might need to start calling him Taylor Luther
Agreed that was great. It actually felt like an informed take. Maybe it helps I agree.
@@edward3320 you don't lazily get to that take reading the bible. personally I don't think people can just explain it like that, show what the gospel is and isn't, how to be saved and not be saved unless they're saved themselves.
it really gives a bit more context to Bible stories
He’s talking out his ass and the people that know less and even little take it at face value.
@@TheGovernmentputcrackinmyblunt most of my Bible revelations and understanding have come through wendigoon ,but definitely a welcome conversation from Taylor aswell
Kyle had to go and kill the mood huh
As a first time watcher he seems like that guy. Definitely didnt gain a fan today but Taylor is funny
I really wish wendigoon stood up to people just simply being ignorant
Got multiple things wrong about Catholicism as you predicted😂
Almost everything
A lot of it is historically accurate but isn't anymore.
Dunkin on the catolic church because of indulgences is like shitting on your friend for what they did in middle school. The church has changed for the better and most religions have some less then reputable income streams
American Prostestants misunderstand so much of Catholicism (I'm orthodox)
What the Mother of Christ doesn't deserve a shout out?
What’s it worth to her? 😏
@@garrett3055 OOOOHHH that's the bosses mother you're talking about
@@sovietsnake2729LMAO I just finished The Sopranos like two weeks ago, greatest show of all time. 😭
*Mother of God. Jesus is God
“And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.”
Luke 11:27-28 KJV
Protestants look past the apostasy of Martin Luther that broke his vows of chastity, argued for bigamy (polygamous marriage), and feared for his immortal soul. He was anti semetic too, if that even matters to protestants.
@JohnJohnson67851 because Martin Luther did so to a diabolic degree. He is the source of linking that group to luring children to be killed and drinking blood. That religion as you know is anti-Jesus. He was right about many things...what he was wrong about was terrible.
Jews unalived Jesus
@@OliveMuleyeah fuck them! They killed my Lord and I'm not fucking ok with that!
He also endorsed the straight up murder of the poor during the German Peasants' Uprising in 1925.
He was antisemitic?
WTF I love Luther now!
🇻🇦THERE'S ONLY ONE HOLY CATHOLIC & APOSTOLIC CHURCH 🇻🇦
🥱 heretic
@@SSantanapng You're literally a Protestant lmao
Amen, brother!!! 🇻🇦
@@SSantanapng The yawning emoji perfectly captures the laziness of your intellect, my son.
@@ignatiusjackson235 " my son " cringeee 💀
Taylor seems a bit mad. "Confession is a way to spill your secrets!" Yes, Taylor, the priest sure does have a lot leverage because Jimbo confessed to watch porn. And now Taylor, we don't worship Saints, we venerate and ask them to speak for us, because we are dirty of Sin, in no state to speak with God.
Obviously he meant mainly back in the day when porn (the internet) wasn’t around. Hundreds of years ago.
That's a lot of cute excuses with no basis in Scripture beyond intentional misinterpretation, but try not to act so smug when you're both ill-informed and willfully disingenuous.
@@GenericProtagonist7 Perhaps you're the one ill-informed and disingenous
@@itsAvoiiD Confession has been a sacramnt for 2000 years bro
@@GenericProtagonist7 John 20:23, "Whoever's sins you forgive, they are forgiven them. Whoever's sins you retain, they have been retained" the authority to forgive sins was given to the apostles. Moaning about how that isn't true goes against scripture.
This gives me 2AM Xbox party chat vibes
Praying to saints, venerating relics, and purgatory are all 1st century Christians beliefs.. Martin Luther removed the books pertaining to them.
Jesus breathed on the apostles saying “receive ye the Holy Ghost, whose sins are forgiven are forgiven, and those retained are retained. Catholic and Orthodox Churches have valid apostolic succession.. those churches have confession.
Ignatius of Antioch, who was a disciple of John and consecrated by Peter can clue us into what he learned from the apostles through his letters.. here’s his abridged writings.
“Confess your sins in Church”
“Rome holds the presidency of Christianity”
-and most importantly-
“Beware the heretics who don’t confess the true presence of Christ in the Eucharist, they will perish in their disputes”
Protestants will say Jesus was speaking metaphorically in John 6… yet John’s disciples (Ignatius and Polycarp) would deem you a heretic for not believing in the real presence of Christ.
“Ye who doesn’t eat my flesh, has no life in you”
Then that would be ritual cannibalism then.
@@FFF_FilmsforFun Not quite, but that's what those in John 6 who walked away from Him said. Are you Christian or not?
@@ignatiusjackson235 I am Christian. However, Christ wouldnt have asked us to sin. The Holy Communion is strictly symbolic. "Do this in remembrance of me".
In John 6, when Jesus is referring to the bread of Life, he is talking about his teachings. The discipleship he gives to the 12 is their daily bread. It also works to unify the church under one. Whoever eats his bread (follows his teachings) and drinks his blood (becoming part of the body of Christ) is a true christian.
Catholics must stop taking some verses hyperliterally and other nonchalantly.
@@FFF_FilmsforFun If you're a Christian, you should be following Christ. When the disciples questioned Him after the Bread of Life discourse in John 6, *HE DOUBLED DOWN,* and He let them leave. In what friggin' universe does that make sense unless he was speaking of His real presence in the Eucharist? They had clearly believed in Him before that. He explains all the other parables in John's Gospel. This one is clearly different.
As far as the "remembrance" portion is concerned, that's totally irrelevant. Of course, we're doing it in remembrance of Him! That says absolutely nothing about whether it was literal or symbolic.
Oh, and the Church Fathers, without exception, and their descendants were taking things literally for the entire first MILLENNIUM and a half, so the burden of proof is on you there.
@@ignatiusjackson235 Remember that the Church Fathers were humans as well. Their word is not divine law. Sticking too much to tradition is literally what Jesus spoke up against with the Pharisees.
He let them leave because he is God and he allows them to have free will. the reason they left was because their faith was weak in Christ. Mine and yours are not,, I hope. Also, I am not saying the Eucharist is not real, he can be present.However, it is more symbolic. Because as I will state again. A righteous loving God will not command his followers to eat his flesh ltierally and drink his blood literally. Many pagan traditions believe eating flesh of a demigod orr god will grant them power.
How can you call the remembrance portion irrelevant??? The biggest stool leg of Christianity is to remember what Christ did on the cross and the blood that he shed for us as payment for our sins. It doesn in fact have everything to do about it being symbolic.
I love wendigoon but man was this hard to sit through. I’m not even Catholic but basically everything is straight up wrong. There’s nothing in the Bible about confession? What about Christ giving the apostles the power to bind and loose in heaven and earth? What about James telling us to confess to one another? I wonder if the churches they attend do public group confessions then. Oh wait, most sola Scriptura people pick and choose what they want to practice, and everything else has some sort of “cultural context” that somehow the entire body of christians missed until some dude in 1500s
Thanks for the witness to truth bro, even if you arent catholic I would much rather have people actually understand us.
Thank you, brother. I'll be genuinely praying for you. Peace and love! ❤
Jesus giving spiritual authority to his disciples was necessary as He was not sacrificed yet, since he sacrificed Himself we all have access to the same Holy Spirit they were, and confessing to each other isn't literal confession of every single sin you have committed, it was talking about those you've trespassed against, that you should be up front with them about your wrongdoings toward them.
@@anomie1998 Whatever excuses you can find to ignore the words of Christ Jesus, eh?
They should have a Catholic on to speak with Taylor
They would just say nothing except about how they have their faith and that's that, most Catholics have very little knowledge on Catholicism and religion in general, I live in a predominant Catholic country, they tend to just believe cause that's what they were told, most believe in psychics and angels/ghosts aswell, they don't use logic in their arguments just that they have feelings, the discussion would be over in 10 mins cause they'd add nothing except just disagree with Taylor
@@QuickxScopexKing Very generalized comment as there are many knowledgeable catholics that they could get in contact with, but I see your point. It makes me cringe how many catholics believe in superstition (particularly hispanic catholics, since that is the group that I am a part of.)
@@QuickxScopexKingthat's incorrect. I'm Catholic and I wouldn't say I'm an expert but I have a bit of knowledge on my faith
@@QuickxScopexKing Oh, yeah, of course... The Church that produced Thomas Aquinas is afraid of asking questions! 😂😂😂😂 Trent Horn, Michael Lofton, Jimmy Akin, Brant Pitre, Joe Heschmeyer, Scott Hahn, John Bergsma, Ferris from HTB Christian, Rod Bennett, Keith Nester, Steve Ray, and so many others would be chompin' at the bit to intellectually destroy this petulant wannabe sophist.
@ignatiusjackson235 if you read my comment correctly and not emotional react cause you're so insecure of your beliefs you'd of noticed I said most not 6 out of a billion
Would love to see y'all talk to a knowledgeable (key word: knowledgeable) Catholic on the topics you brought up here. A lot of what was said was a bit off or wrong entirely...
Pretty much everything he said is incorrect, lol. Like, absolutely all of it
Protestants at this point are just ignoring the conversation when they get the answer on why Catholics pray to Mary. Also, I couldn't tell you how many times I've seen protestants request others to pray for them.
Taylor also seems a totally reliable authority on the history of the sacrament of confession.
@@Yo-0o0o0o0o we pray for Mary to help us. Again, how many times do Protestants need to hear this before they understand?
@@Yo-0o0o0o0o In Christ the Saints are not dead, at least that's our eternal hope as Christians. As for Biblical sources you have 2 Maccabees 12:43-45
@@Yo-0o0o0o0o Here's an easy verse for why saints aren't "dead.": John 3:16 "...Whosever believes in me shall not die, but have eternal life." When there are commands not to pray to the dead, these are specifically commands not to pray to those in hell, those who are dead in spirit, as they will misguide you. Anybody in Heaven wants you there just as God does, and will pray for you and with you to God. Just like your grandma does while she's physically alive on earth, praying for her grandkids.
@@Yo-0o0o0o0o It seems you and I have very different definitions and stances. For example "Hades and Hell" in Catholicism are the same thing. Indeed, the term hell originates as a translation of Hades or Gehenna in the Greek or Hebrew.
To expand on that, there's no difference between "the eternal fire after the final battle" and the afterlife of those who die now rejecting Christ. To reject God is to reject goodness, love, truth, and to choose Hell. There's no limbo there where people who have died are waiting until the end times to enter into a state of rejecting God, they're already rejecting God. Indeed, the rejection itself is the essence of Hell. Hell isn't an arbitrary place of fire, its the state of totally rejecting God and the natural consequences of that choice.
On the topic of "physically dead" and "spiritually dead," this is where English is fun because we don't have a term that only means one or the other, we have to specify with "Spiritual." However, I urge you to reread John 3:16 and tell me that you honestly think it does not mean somebody in Heaven is not eternally alive. Especially considering other verses like Ephesians 2:1 "And you he made alive, when you were dead through the trespasses and sins." Different translations translate that second half as "dead in spirit" or "dead through your sins," but the idea is the same: That the people being spoken to are physically alive but spiritually dead. This split is also seen in Romans 8:13, "For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live." Except now the passage discusses how one who lives with God is alive spiritually in spite of the body. This split exists biblically, and it is biblical that living in God is how how one avoids true death, the death of the spirit.
Side note, I could say the same "twisting" criticism about people claiming that Jesus promising eternal life somehow did not actually mean eternal life. It goes both ways, so lets stay on point. Also, none of this changes that there is no difference between Grandma praying for you in her Kitchen or Grandma praying for you in Heaven. Indeed, according to James the prayers of the Righteous are powerful, and what people are more righteous than those with God in heaven?
@@Yo-0o0o0o0o The interesting part is that there are commands to pray for each other by St. Paul, there are mentions of the Saints praying to God in Heaven in Revelation, there are the previously mentioned verses regarding people being alive or dead in the spirit and the connection of that to being in hell, and then verses of how the saints in heaven are truly alive and thus not dead.
However. At the end point, there is no single command to either pray specifically to people in Heaven, nor a command against. We can piece together that people in Heaven are not dead, and thus infer that the command against necromancy does not apply, especially considering the context of necromancing spirits pulls people away from God while asking a saint to pray for you would pull you towards God. Yet there is no one line that says it verbatim. Meaning we need to interpret, meaning we need someone we can trust to teach us. Like Acts 8:31, "How can I know (What I am reading)? Unless someone teaches me." For you, you have been taught that "Prayers of righteous are the ones on Earth," where it never specifically says that. I have been taught the opposite, that this is not limited to the physical Earth. How do we know who's right?
I would claim the successor of Peter's authority with the guarantee of Matthew 16, and unbroken tradition of prayers to saints since Roman times, as my backing and teacher. What of you?
10:45 you can physically see Kyle already start to lose his shit over Taylor's pronunciation and imagined name of the tribesman. One of the funniest moments I have seen on the show in a long while.
I grew up in Uganda and I have to say, we love This comedy, need to bring it back more
Alternate caption: people who don’t know about what Catholics believe, or what the church teaches, or why it teaches that talk about the Catholic Church
Ironically you have no idea who Wendigoon or Taylor is because if you did you would probably know Taylor grew up a Christian and Wendigoon is a Sunday teacher
@@ChrisRitty Taylor grew up Catholic specifically, lmao.
@@Clockwork0nions Doesn’t seem like it
@@ChrisRitty Sunday school teacher for a more evangelical Christian church doesn’t mean you know anything about The Catholic Church. And If Taylor was raised Catholic that doesn’t mean much considering I went to Catholic grade school but didn’t learn much about what the Church teaches and why until afterwards.
@@ChrisRitty I'd go to Sunday school just have Wendigoon as my Sunday School teacher he's such a sweet fella
Taylors hatred if anything Christian is so odd... He says so many wrong things in these 20 minutes i wouldn't know where to start. But just in the first 4 minutes he talks about including Mary in ur prayers... See the thing is that Catholics are ASKING the saints and Mary to pray for us, just the same way if ur sick or having a personal issue u might ask ur family and friends to pray for you, "Hey Mike I got cancer, can you please send up some prayers for me man?" It's the same as that. the hail Mary prayer ends with "Pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death." Secondly Taylor beings up the confession thing, which I'm really surprised about. I thought everyone knew this part, confession isnt done in the middle of the street in front of hundreds of people for the whole town to hear u lol its always 1 on 1. Catholic men who become priests are literally fulfilling a vocation to live the life of Jesus. You confess to them and receive a penance. God forgives your sins through this sacrament. And yes u can still get forgiveness without going directly to a priest but for many people they feel closer with God since they go directly into a church and confess to the father of the church who is a direct representation of God/Jesus, hence why you call priests by the name of 'father'. Taylor loves being a pompous boastful rude arrogant and smug atheist prick. To all the Christians out there, never forget, these atheists LOVE more than anything to press you, make u feel stupid for your beliefs, and they try to embarrass you. so just keep that in mind and don't let them even upset or annoy u at all.
Taylor seems to know his Bible pretty well for someone who "hates anything Christian." You might have been better saying "hates anything Catholic" but that doesn't really work either, as he jumps up to defend the pageantry and ritual of the Vatican as a good thing.
Also I'm confused by you mentioning that confession in Catholicism is private and not done in public, as that's exactly what they say in the clip, they even explain what they don't like about it
yes i do feel like some parts in the video were disrespectful, and wendigoon does seem to get a bit uncomfortable at moments, as well as the majority of the comment section putting down and not be respectful of others beliefs. wish people in general could just learn to respect one another
I think it’s more ignorance cause he doesn’t understand what he’s talking about. I get it though as a former protestant and hearing so many lies and misconceptions about the Catholic Church
1. While yes, intercession is a powerful thing and is Biblical (ex. Job prayed for his friends), nowhere in the Bible where someone pray to someone who has already passed away to intercede for them. If this is really a Christian doctrine, you would see many Bible characters doing it but no. Nowhere in both the Old and New Testament has such practice. It may even be called witchcraft since you're trying to speak to the dead to try to do something for you which is a big no-no in Christianity. So, equating it to someone alive to pray for you is different from someone who has already passed away.
2. It's not really the confession part but rather the authority of priests to forgive sins which is a central Catholic doctrine that was supposedly passed only to them. Also, priests are forbidden to marry or some such when that isn't a thing even for the early church but just something the Catholic Church made up along the way. Yes, it's commendable to not marry and be devoted only to God but that isn't a requirement. Whether you marry or not means nothing but your actions toward God and men are what counts.
@@silenthero2795
1. are you saying those in heaven aren't eternally alive in heaven and that God is not the god of the living but instead the god of the dead?
2. There are rites in the catholic church in which priests do marry. Paul himself says that chastity is a great thing. Priests try to live in persona Christi or in the person of the christ. Christ did not marry because the church was his bride. The same is true for priests in the Latin rite.
Theres some despicable misconceptions here
I love Wendi, but this was terribly wrong, as a Catholic. I'd even say unpleasantly wrong, Kyle is annoying.
Kyle's missing the point here. You DON'T deserve to go to heaven! You AREN'T good enough! Nobody is! We are all sinners. The Lord offers us forgiveness anyways. That's the point. You are unworthy, but God loves you even still. If you repent, and accept Jesus as your Lord and saviour, you will be forgiven, and shall have eternal life.
For anyone who is interested, the Hail Mary Prayer is from Luke 1:28... Any version of any bible will have it there
As a Catholic, I recommend that next time they invite a practicing Catholic on to discuss and clarify. Because a lot of what they are saying are severe misconceptions.
Man, im not Catholic and have no love for the organisation but even im cringing at the misinformation
Thanks bro, i would much rather hear coharent theological arguments from people rather than malicious falsehoods
AMEN!
Yeah Taylor you misunderstood everything you said about catholicism
Next episode: Taylor responds to being officially excommunicated
Being excommunicated by the Pharisees is a good thing lol
Rabbis are the successors to the Pharisees, Catholics are the successors to the Apostles
@@ajjohn8729 Being excommunicated by the sucsessor of peter, the Vicar of Christ is not
I'm pretty sure he's the second "Taylor" in line for excommunication, behind "DoCtOr" Marshall.
Luke 1:46 49 Mary prophecies that all generations will call her blessed for god has done many great things for her so why would we not ask for someone who is blessed by god to pray for us their is no worship of her as a god but respect to her as the mother of god.
And on the topic of confession Taylor is referring to practices that took place in the catholic church over hundreds of years ago im not sure if they still do it now I’m an orthodox convert and we do confession as well but a priest will be excommunicated for speaking about confession that members of the church partake for its seen as a sacrament a holy tradition that goes back to the apostles to confess your sins in front of Christ with a priest their as merely a witness before it was the entire church said in James 5:16 “confess your sins to one another and pray for one another” you confess to Christ alone and in the church you still only confess to Christ but the priest is a witness and a spiritual father who can guide you through your path of repentance
@@oakinson1585 We still do that. We're famous for it, in fact. Breaking the seal of the confessional is grounds for immediate excommunication. Alfred Hitchcock based a whole movie around it. I don't believe the Orthodox have much difference at all with regards to the Sacrament of Penance.
@@ignatiusjackson235 That's good Catholics and orthodox are brothers in the faith even if we bicker amongst ourselves I'm happy to know our traditions are not being tainted for the faithful to reach salvation
I can’t believe the level of ignorance from everyone here, including Wendigoon.
It's dissapointing to see, but he at least seemed the most respectful and open. I would truly enjoy a thorough campfire and monobloc conversation with him.
Oh, you clearly don’t know Catholicism then, you also don’t seem to understand sarcasm and jokes. It’s hysterical that anytime a person asks a question Catholic’s always take offense to it, and never really is willing to talk about the history/ or the reasons why they do something.
@@CarnageUndone nah, you are clearly wrong. I find your comment pretty hilarious.
@@CarnageUndone They literally called confession a man-made manipulation wich is a-historical and wrong
@@catnappernellie1211 prove it, bud you were literally doing what my comment said. Bring some thing up that will actually refute my statement otherwise You were just proving my point.
Mary is holy, she committed no sin and chose to have Jesus
Mary was a woman. Not god or the holy spirit or jesus
Bro, she didn't even knew until a magical wizard man came and told her.
Mary is not god. we pray only to the Lord in the name of Christ.
Poor girl got pregnant by a imaginary man without her consent, what book you reading?
@@bryannzuno6353 orb of centric rings covered in eyes and wings
god its fantastic watching wendigoon die inside as taylor goes off with the voices lmao. just top tier
Would be incredible if ya’ll would have someone like Trent Horn or someone else from Catholic answers to have a discussion with.
You know what's funny is Mormons (LDS church) if you attend one of their churches they always have the Old and New Testaments in the pews along with the Book of Mormon and hymn book, and if you're a kid in the LDS church you basically just get taught the basic Bible stories, it's only once you're past puberty you really get taught the funny Mormon stuff
Can't have kids blabbing the secrets.
I know a girl who joined of her own free will at age 23. She went through like 3 years of classes and stuff. Then she got to the final admission ceremony at the temple where you become a "real Mormon" and it was SO WEIRD she left and never went back...after investing YEARS to get to that point.
I hear you guys on favorite PKA guests but I feel like when Wendigoon's on they all step it up.. such a good guest.
Describing Marietta as the suburbs of hell was probably the realest thing Kyle has ever said 😭
This was all the best parts of that episode. So glad it got clipped
who need a six pack when you dress like a ghost.
is the hardest shit i ever heard
Funniest joke woody ever made lol
I've been to catholic churches all my life. I've never heard of paying the church to get your loved one's out of purgatory. What churches do westerners go to? I've been to catholic churches in two continents and I have not heard or seen any of what Taylor has said. Another thing, why would Jesus go and say that he would build the church on peter if he didn't mean for churches to be a thing? But one thing you guys are right about is that the Catholic church is in trouble. Since i was a kid my grandma and mom would tell me how there are demons in the church. Things trying to undermine the original message of Jesus. All we can do is pray.
@@duffystrings9680 That's what protestants think "selling indulgences" were. In fact, the Catholic Church never preached this, and the local practice of certain bishops using indulgences as a means of fundraising was explicitly banned at the Council of Trent.
As to your last "point," the Catholic Church is doing just fine. It's always been a perfect institution of imperfect men. If what you are saying is true, then it's been "in trouble" since the days of Judas Iscariot.
Yeah sorry, I'm orthodox and there is nothing wrong to praying to Mary or a saint, you're not worshipping them like God.
Plus sorry we were around the longest I thunk we know..m
I genuinely appreciate these conversations. Taylor is able to offer up some great theological knowledge and perspectives without making it an absolute drag.
Confessional has never been "paying to remove sins", you have to seek forgiveness and pay penance to truly be forgiven for sins, penance typically is to give up something you indulge in, and what do rich people (especially in the past) indulge with? Money
wendagoon this whole time trying not to laugh makes this
he wasnt feelin it
Lmao I was laughing cause he got the exact face of being in the presence of cancelable behavior he didn’t gel with
When The Passion’s theater run my brother would respond when asked if he saw it “nah I read the book”
2:26 it's called veneration taylor. The bible teaches many times to do this and pray for the "dead" but im not a fan of catholics either because ya know orthodox gang.
@@a15thcenturysuitofgothicarmor Explain why so many Eastern Fathers explicitly support the fillioque. 🤷♂️
Also, dude. Just come back already. The first seven ecumenical councils are littered with the idea of Roman primacy.
@ignatiusjackson235 like who? And no they aren't. Also was Ignatius the first to have the seat of Rome? So funny how you just skip right to peter.
@@a15thcenturysuitofgothicarmor Like whom? Cyril of Alexandria, Gregory of Nyssa, Basil the Great, John of Damascus, Maximus the Confessor, Didymus the Blind, Gregory the Wonderworker, Epiphanius of Salamis... the list goes on and on... Ignatius was the Bishop of Antioch, not of Rome... so, I don't know what that last part is even supposed to mean, brother.
Moreover, let it be known that I'm not attempting to start an argument here. I pray everyday for an end to the schism. If I didn't care for you, brother, then I wouldn't even have brought it up. Spend some time with those materials, and study how they relate to the nature of the Trinity. God be with you. Peace and love!
@ignatiusjackson235 in what way did any of them explicitly support the filioque
@@a15thcenturysuitofgothicarmor
“Since the Holy Spirit when he is in us effects our being conformed to God, and he actually proceeds from the Father and Son, it is abundantly clear that he is of the divine essence, in it in essence and proceeding from it” (Treasury of the Holy Trinity, thesis 34 [A.D. 424]). - Cyril of Alexandria
“[T]he Holy Spirit flows from the Father in the Son” (ibid.). - Cyril of Alexandria
“Likewise we believe also in one Holy Spirit, the Lord and giver of life . . . in all things like to the Father and Son; proceeding from the Father and communicated through the Son” (Exposition of the Orthodox Faith 8 [A.D. 712]). - John of Damascus
“And the Holy Spirit is the power of the Father revealing the hidden mysteries of his divinity, proceeding from the Father through the Son in a manner known to himself, but different from that of generation” (ibid., 12). - John of Damascus
“I say that God is always Father since he has always his Word [the Son] coming from himself and, through his Word, the Spirit issuing from him” (Dialogue Against the Manicheans 5 [A.D. 728]). - John of Damascus
“By nature the Holy Spirit in his being takes substantially his origin from the Father through the Son who is begotten (Questions to Thalassium 63 [A.D. 630-633]). - Maxiumus the Confessor
“[The] Father conveys the notion of unoriginate, unbegotten, and Father always; the only-begotten Son is understood along with the Father, coming from him but inseparably joined to him. Through the Son and with the Father, immediately and before any vague and unfounded concept interposes between them, the Holy Spirit is also perceived conjointly” (Against Eunomius 1 [A.D. 382]). - Gregory of Nyssa
“As we have understood discussions . . . about the incorporeal natures, so too it is now to be recognized that the Holy Spirit receives from the Son that which he was of his own nature. . . . So too the Son is said to receive from the Father the very things by which he subsists. For neither has the Son anything else except those things given him by the Father, nor has the Holy Spirit any other substance than that given him by the Son” (The Holy Spirit 37 [A.D. 362]). - Didymus the Blind
“[There is] one Holy Spirit, having substance from God, and who is manifested through the Son; image of the Son, perfect of the perfect; life, the cause of living; holy fountain; sanctity, the dispenser of sanctification; in whom is manifested God the Father who is above all and in all, and God the Son who is through all. Perfect Trinity, in glory and eternity and sovereignty neither divided nor estranged” (Confession of Faith [A.D. 265]). - Gregory the Wonderworker
“Through the Son, who is one, he [the Holy Spirit] is joined to the Father, one who is one, and by himself completes the Blessed Trinity” (The Holy Spirit 18:45 [A.D. 375]). - Basil the Great
“[T]he goodness of [the divine] nature, the holiness of [that] nature, and the royal dignity reach from the Father through the only-begotten [Son] to the Holy Spirit. Since we confess the persons in this manner, there is no infringing upon the holy dogma of the monarchy” (ibid., 18:47). - Basil the Great
There's more, but that's a good start.
It does go to show that you can pretend to be some kind of "wholesome, ecumenical Sunday school teacher" and tread very carefully with getting things wrong about other religions, but you can easily drop the act and just agree to obviously blasphemous or incorrect characterizations of Catholicism and you can not feel that you need to be more careful (given that you have Catholic fans) or at least have the nuts to tell your cohosts to knock it off.
Whether Wendigoon is just a liar about his ecumenical attitude or is just a wimp is a 50/50.
I mean or you could just stop whining, these guys shit on religion all the time but suddenly Wendi needs to play moral police because you can't handle banter.
Being self righteous isn't approved by Christ.
@genericprotagonist2842 Pointing out the cowardice of a man that plays the ecumenical role despite anti-Catholicism is not "moral self righteousness", that's called pointing out cuckery from someone who does know better, or at least pretends to.
Also lol'ing at the Shadman pfp playing up the moral high ground
Confession is not so the priest "can know sins and provide advice," that is just a helpful sub-product of the Sacrament. Us Catholics believe that Confession is necessary due to Jesus Christ setting it up in the New Testament after His resurrection.
Once Jesus returns to His disciples He breathes into them, and instructs them to go out a unbind individuals from their sin according to their judgement and ultimately God's (John 20:21-23). This can be assumed to be under the pretense that the confessor/sinner is truly penitent and not just trying to get a "get-out-of-Hell pass."
The reason that priests have this ability is due to apostolic succession. We believe that Jesus bestowed the title of Priesthood to the disciples during the last supper by washing their feet and instructing them to imitate the last supper (all of this is done in similarity and imitation of the Jewish "Priest's" role during passover).
Finally, confessions are not supposed to be done on the street loudly as the people in the video have stated. Confession is not a prideful display of piety. Confession is supposed to be done in private with the confessor and the priest. In fact, the priest is committing a mortal sin if he discusses what was said in confession and can be punished by the local diocese.
This comment is not meant to convince protestants but demonstrate that Catholics have extremely legitimate Biblical and traditional reasons for believing the things we do. Believe it or not, 2,000 years of self-reform and internal Theological debate will tend to make you form rationale for your doctrine.
Yeah these two don't understand catholicism at all.
everyone in this video has a collective iq of 40
Absolutely incorrect about Confession. Look up the Seal of Confession, and function of the priest. Also you cannot act like the selling of indulgences was not corrected and obviously seen as a flaw at the time.
Ig I am a Protestant. But the next Pope to ask to mobilize to re-take the holy land, I’m all on-board
Sadly this is the closest we’ve had to bible stories in a while 🙄😒#TAYLORNEEDSTOMAKEMOREBIBLESTORIES
Wendigoon sunday bible class is also greatly missing
Wendigoon would never publicly criticize liberalism like this because he values his TH-cam channel, subscribers and money over telling the truth so it's easier to just dunk on Catholicism. Protestantism isn't much different than liberalism or judaism. Find God
They have actual reasons for their beliefs and not just pulling shi out of nowhere.
And they’re actually smarter then these podcasters 😂
Taylor is mostly speaking for less than 1% of the catholic society that he have seen in his entire life its easy to criticize on a huge society and culture that you only seen a very small fraction of it can't judge the whole world by seeing a few of the people.
Taylor could seriously be a voice actor. That was hilarious 😂
Where does it say this in the Catechism?
I grew up Catholic and I have no idea what these people are talking about, they don't believe any of this stuff, for starters the Virgin Mary is not adored she's venerated. It's always weird to me when religious people talk shit about other religions when they don't know the whys or hows behind anything they talk shit about.
Wendigoon couldn't engage for a good portion. His ribs were receding into his chest cavity.
This is literally tell me you don't know anything about Catholic teaching without telling me you don't know anything about Catholic teaching.
*laughs in Orthdoxy*
1:25
Wendigoon be like: Any religion that's like "800 years later, there was a 2nd part" is CRAZY
But *1500* years later is A-OK!!! 😂
I know what he means, as in ENTIRELY NEW revelations, i.e. Muslims or Mormons, but the doctrines of Sola Fide and Sola Scriptura (for instance) were entirely new doctrines that ZERO of the Church Fathers preached. That's not much different. It's just not as obvious to the casual observer.
The Bible itself never supports the doctrine of Sola Scriptura. The Bible itself never tells us which books it should include! Thankfully for us, Jesus established a Church to do that. Jesus is shown ESTABLISHING HIS CHURCH on the rock of St. Peter. St. Paul instructs us to abide by the Traditions of the Apostles passed down by letter or *BY SPOKEN WORD.* Apostolic succession is represented in the Acts of the Apostles, when the deceased Judas Iscariot was replaced with Matthias. Letters of the Apostolic Fathers like Ignatius of Antioch, Polycarp of Smyrna, and Clement of Rome clearly depict the ecclesiology of the early Church, and they *KNEW the Apostles* John and Peter (respectively) in the flesh! The Bible itself wasn't even canonized until 382 at the Council of Rome, by the *very same* Catholic Church. You're welcome!
I was in tears when Taylor started doing the African accent… holy shit. Dude needs to do an open mic, he’s absolutely hilarious. I bet his crowd work would be on another level.
Confession is literally in the Bible. John 20:23. A verse most Protestants conveniently always leave out or do mental gymnastics to make it read as something besides its clear meaning.
Repent and trust in Jesus you will be saved I love yall and God bless
Catholics literally invented purgatory as a concept based on a misunderstanding of original sin vs. original guilt and used it to fleece people lmao
Nope, it existed as a theological concept before Monetary indulgneces were ever a thing
@@catnappernellie1211 The orthodox, the ones Catholics separated from, don’t hold anything resembling purgatory in their theology.
@@CodeineCoffee Orthodoxy agrees that there is a certain purgation needed for the souls of the departed destined for heaven, but that experience has never been codified with the temporal model of years of suffering employed by Rome in the purgatory doctrine. That’s the only difference real difference.
@@CodeineCoffee Orthodoxy agrees that there is a certain purgation needed for the souls of the departed destined for heaven, but that experience has never been codified with the temporal model of years of suffering employed by Rome in the purgatory doctrine. That’s the only difference.
Lol. 12:52 Kyle severely underestimating what it means be conscious at all and have the capacity to literally experience the absence of time.
As a Catholic I think what Taylor said at the beggining is not very smart. I understand that you are not catholic but you dont need to laugh and despise catholicism.
Catholics dont pray to saints or Mary. They asking them to help them with the prayers. Like: Holy Mary, help me to talk to your son.
What you ve said about confession is bonkers. It exactly the opposite of what you ve said. The purpose of connfesion is that Priest can help you confess. Because the people are very capable of subconciously not admit to their sins and find many excuses. Psychology studies actually finds out, that if you are more smart, then you are more probably to find excuses to your behavior.
The confession is not about telling secrets to Priest?? What are you talking about. Priest talking about confession is one of the HIGHEST SINS IN CATHOLICISM, and this is auto excomunication, auto excomunication even if no one finda out, like bishop or Pope. And maybe you dont believe that, but catholic priests believe that. Do you have any evidence, that catholics made confession to know peoples secrets and use them ? As a church institution, not some corrupted induviduals
Laughed so hard at Kyle's Marietta reference. Kennesaw represent!
I just love how beautifully these fools were sliced and diced by everyone in the comments who came with RECEIPTS. People can’t be fooled by the willfully ignorant anymore:)
Kyle talking about the Dwight Schrute method of getting people to owe you favors
So the priests doing a bad thing means the entire church should be thrown out? Im not sure I follow the logic, the church has certainly made its mistakes but men making mistakes doesnt invalidate what the church is and continues to do, very strange analysis and honestly I'd like to know what has happened in each of their personal lives that has made them so anti God let alone Catholic, there's a lot of shade being thrown by someone who claims to not be religious, it's more than telling
Your not praying to Mary or any of the Saints your praying that they put in there prayers for you to God
The original actual flavour is cheese and onion before that it was mainly just adding salt pepper or vinegar
Kyle: I LOVE spreading misinformation!!🎉
Rare wendigoon L. Catholcism is the real church
Taylor would lose to my Catholic 6 year old
13:52 The way Kyle screams "FUCK" 😭😭😭