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Great video. It's hard reading through the comments left by haters. Off roading is a sport people. How will we continue this sport with the next generations if we are hating on every aspect of their experience? These people are getting out and having fun in their rigs and learning how to do it right. Isn't that what off roading is all about? Not what you drive or where you drive it, it's about getting out and having fun. Anywhere anytime.
Vance Hamilton Well Said
It's beautiful
+Vance Hamilton Absolutely Vance - well said - get out and enjoy your day and your vehicle with like minded people.
+Vance Hamilton That's the problem with TH-cam. Many of the people who are watching it for fun aren't bothering to leave a comment. Those who comment more tend to be full of hate and need to push that on others. Wouldn't worry too much about the trolls.
Great video! I just bought my first jeep (unlimited rubicon) and was looking for something like this that was instructional and helped demonstrate the differences of the different offroad settings. And ,for the people that were hating on the notations and explanations, if you already know what you're doing out there, then why are you watching an instructional video? Some of us are new to this sport and are still trying to get our feet wet without breaking our daily driver. thanks and I'll be watching more.
For the vast majority of people new to off roading the best anti-stuck device is a friend with their 4wd. It's better to just get out there and have fun gaining experience and good memories with friends than blowing a lot of cash on mods you might not even need. You don't want to spend thousands on mods you'll never use when a pair of trutracks & a set off 33" Duratracs would have done the trick.
Whenever you are wheeling, you really should have a winch and an anchor or PRT. Personally I have lockers, winch, PRT, 4 Tred recovery tracks and a 45" Hi lift jack as well as shackles a shovel and a winch extension strap and snatch strap. It always pays to have a backup. I once drove down a steep hill that had only one exit, at the top of the hill. I wore out a set of new tires getting out because my only recovery tool was a hand winch with 6 feet of cable. I had to winch 90 feet up that damn hill. When I got home 9 hours later I had 4 leaches on my legs and shoes full of my own blood. The adventure is out there go prepared!
fourbypete
fourbypete 45 inch lift damn buddy where can I get one
Nice to see how some of these features make a huge difference. I like the wranglers but I have always been a Cherokee fan. With a lift, lockers, and customized bumper made of heavy steel with a winch, I will take that any day! Especially one that has the 4.0L, they offer spectacular off roading capabilities and drive real nice on pavement, also plenty of room in the back with seats down to sleep or fondle the old lady lol..
all u guys need is a rake and a civic can get through that
hahaha I lmao
+strato sarahsilverman lololololol
Really, would love to see your Civic try it.
Ha ha
😂 took funny!
Awesome! Your Jeep looks great! Now that the sun sets earlier the lights you installed will definitely come in handy.
Jeep salesman says “sure the rubicon is more money but it’s a off-road beast” first hill climb leaves kicks its ass
Nice job John! Glad to see you are using the Jeep and enjoying it. Scott's school is great!
Jim Oostdyk Thank You, the class was a lot of fun.
Nice job with the video and good comparison of a locked Rubicon with the swaybar disconnected vs the stocker without. I find the JK with a 2 1/2 inch lift far more competent then my CJ7 lifted 4" and locked on both ends was.
I can't wait to lift my 04 Rubicon. I'm considering a zone offroad 4" system with their 1.25 body lift to do a slight belly up with a new skid. Idk yet. Something I've been throwing around
Dwayne Henning Why bother with the body lift/tummy tuck? In a TJ, your clearance issue will be your diff cases long before high centering. Unless you have an unlimited... Spend the money saved on a better suspension lift kit that has detachable front sway bar links and adjustable control arms.
+Tommy Hoffmann the diffs will only be an issue if you are trying to clear something like a bolder that is narrower than your axle. Most people who get tummy tucks are more concerned about being able to clear drop offs going up and down a near vertical wall. In those cases the wheels will never allow your diff to hit the edge of the drop but you can still get high centered in the middle.
All nice jeeps, but the best 4 wheel drive system looks to me like a pair of legs...lol..
The 3rd jeep (Rubicon Unlimited) is equipped with Brake Lock Differential right? Do you guys think that activating the lockers were completely necessary? I feel like if he got a running star, the BLD would have been more than enough.
Rubicon's have full selectable lockers in them standard
I'm not hating, but I'm just wondering for one why were the tires not deflated and two, why did no one have their 4wd lock on?
+Steven Lazar Everyone did air down the tires to about 20psi that day. I'm sure your right if we would have aired down more some of the obstacles would have been even easier. I know it doesn't show on camera but that hill was actually steep and a little wet. The other Jeeps belonged to the instructors and they were just trying to demonstrate different ways of doing it. Personally i paid for a Rubicon so i wanted to used all the gadgets my Jeep had lol.
I think on a surface that is slippery on both sides, locking differentials or brake lock differentials will not make a big difference. In surfaces where there is traction on one side of the vehicle is when the lockers would help tremendously.
+opjoipopikopp[pl[p[ True but lockers do make a huge difference, they should have done the test witht he same vehicle
A locker makes a massive difference on every road surface.
Were the tires fully inflated? Were you using 4 wheel drive with the jeeps with no lockers?
Flooring it right at the top and rolling backwards while spinning is a prefect way to snap axle shafts too.
+Kevin V Theoretically, yes, but I've never seen an vehicle w/o lockers break an axle. I'm sure it can happen, it's just really rare. With an open diff some of the shock gets absorbed by the other axle so it makes breaking an axle much harder.
Loved it. I wanna go Jeepin with those guys
I love taking my 4runner on sand and snow going up soft hills or just running flat out. But actual hard off-roading through rocks, mud and water and taking 30 minutes to move 10 feet. I don't know how you guys find that exciting. Not to mention it destroys the vehicle. I guess it's not for everyone. Props to those who find it exciting.
+David Stewart There is something about the challenge of getting your vehicle through some big technical beast of a trail. Desert running is fun, but so is driving over rocks the size of small cars and having a rig that can do it. :D
I understand the need for lockers I have rarely ran into a Situation where I needed anything over 4 low and BLD. Most of the trails I have been on recommend it but I am a rebel haha. Lockers surely have their place, and I plan on getting some sooner or later. I live in Cali San diego area so I go to big bear hit trails there holcomb creek, gold mountain. and a few others. I haven't completed all of John bull yet due to day light issue and not wanting to run a trail I never been on in the dark (which is rated one of the hardest on the mountain) Coral Canyon and a few other spots. I will say good video though it will help folks for sure!
Jay Joy Thanks for checking out my video
I grew up on that mountain Jay and the trails are great! John Bull is a lot of fun, but sure took it out of me when I ran it open diff. Spent a lot of time jacking and stacking. That was with my Full Size Bronco. I can't wait to get my Jeep back out to Cali and hit the same trails again.
When you come out let me know I will make a run up it is a couple hour drive for me. I been doing day trips up and back with a buddy of mine. I normally camp up there and wheel both days.
Not a prof production by any means, but 8/9 people agree, good vid. Thanks for the comparison, post more.
can i ask where this is? i have a 94 zj and my buddy has a 95 xj we are always looking for new spots! we're from long island.
The tires have a lot to do with the amount of traction you have and the pressure your running. The tires on the last Jeep looked bald.
+JMC Rides Great Video. There is no comparison to having lockers I just posted a short video on our Facebook Page playing around in a ditch with one tire off the ground a couple of feet and could pull forward stop and drive backwards with ease barely touching the throttle and I’m not even Regeared yet on 37’s.
Looks like fun fellas. What was it? August?
Thanks this was in november
Yeah, August when all the leaves have fallen! lol
Momentum is THE KEY 👍
No it isnt. Thats not what climbing is about.
Nice video & very informative, The need for informative videos are a plus. Thanxs.. : )
Thanks man, ill have more videos on the way
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at the end when it says 'sway bar disconnected'. do you guys disconnect the front and back sway bars or is it common to just disconnect the front. i want to get disconnects but i am not sure if i should just get the front or front and back. thanks!
Hello, I am about to purchase my first jeep (unlimited) and I been hearing a lot about lockers. What are they? Do they come with a new 2015 jeep? If they don't what does it cost to get them and install them? Thank you and nice video!
zartan z "Lockers" are "differential lockers" and lock the left and right sides together so the entire axle, and thus the wheels on both sides, spins at the same speed. If you have lockers front & rear, it truly becomes Four Wheel drive. Lockers are GREAT for dry rocky terrain and can pull you up some really steep inclines, but it is easy to spin right off the trail in slippery mud if you don't know what you are doing. Rubicons come with lockers, and I believe they are optional in other models. Price it out on the Jeep site.
You fail to mention thst with out lockers it's possible to gain some extra fwd momentum by applying brake pressure along with throttle when the wheels spin..
E brake works every time for open diffs
Hard to watch, because of the abuse the vehicles appear to take, but the capability of the Jeep never ceases to amaze me.
Just bought a jeep a completely new to this. I’m sure it’s just me but I can’t tell which jeeps are using lockers and which ones are not or which times they are or which times they are not. not sure where I am missing it
Shoulda bought a Subaru Outback and lifted it 2” with larger wheels too, my Outback coulda done this no problem. That being said, I just signed papers to order a ‘22 JLUR today! 😁 goodbye Subaru!
Cool keep wheeling OlllllllO looks like u guys aired down probably to 18-22 lb but not as much as I would, I usually go down to 9 - 10 lb no problems so far 👍🏻 great vid guys 💪🏻👍🏻
At the beginning I was like.. Is his engine even running? lol!
It says no lockers, but later models have the BLD, do these not have that?
inkman234 I remember reading somewhere that all JK's have the bld but for a situation like this one having the front and rear lockers enabled made a big difference. You didn't see it on the video but those other 2 jeeps had many more attempts on that obstacle. I had to cut it out to make the video shorter. My Jeep climbed over it right away with the lockers.
I so need to beef up my 2011. First things first the front axel...
Why do you need to beef it up? Did you install 37's?
I put sleeves and gussetts in my Dana 30. Pretty cheap peace of mind. I'm saving for a 60/80 setup soon.
Im on that fence right now. Can't decide on 35's with my dayna 30 or 37's and get a dayna 40 built. Either way gotta do a gear swap and locker install. Its only a 4k difference in price to do it so uggggggghhh! I can't live with my 3.21 gears now there a snail
Not sure how many of your little text boxes i had to close but what was the video about?
+bradbbs Sorry about the popup but if you let the video play they disappear on their own. I had to use popups at this time so show what settings the different Jeeps had and my video editing skills sucked even more back then lol. My newer videos dont have as many popups anymore.
One thing people do not understand is that video does not show how steep hills really are. I've got many videos of my Jeep going up VERY steep hills, but when I watch them, the hills don't look steep, at all. If this wasn't steep, that stock TJ would have walked right up it.
Good point!
What's the best tire for leaves? haha
Having the proper tires is a big thing
correct that and also airing down.
I'm in NYC, where in NY were you guys ?
+BLAZETANGO This was by the catskills. It was an offroad class.
Are they trying to do this in 2wd?
I would love to not see 50 tags added all over the video. If your going to put all of them in leave them in the same spot so it doesnt block the video.
I think some commenters might be missing the fact that this is demonstration/training.
+l337pwnage exactly lol
where is this?
i just don't understand why you are having them restart on such an inclinel on an obstacle that is clearly a momentum obstacle.
Awesome where was this?
Thanks, this was in the catskills
Beautiful country
nice looking jeep
jeff lebard Thanks bro
did anyone drop their tire pressures? or are they at highway OEM stock air pressures?
18-20psi
@@2010svtraptor wow that must of been really wet and lots of leaves
@@egenestarr1986 yea it tough to see on video but the leaves were all wet making it very slippery.
I was going to watch your video...but the SEA of pop ups turned me off...so I dropped it.
It's no wonder more people don't wheel. This community would rather hate on people than help them join
Lockers vs no lockers?? Did I miss the rig with the lockers???
Jeeps For Sale: NEVER been offroaded.
Tis what they all say LOL
Where in NY do you guys go?
Only place you really have available is Rausch Creek offroad in PA. The place in this video is like an off road training center
Does anyone know why the red rubicon is screeching like that? My jk has been making the same noise and i habe no idea what it is
I didn't hear any screeching, if you're talking about the noise it made when rolling backwards, that's the normal creaking of the brakes. It's no big deal.
Why dont they activate the lockers to begin with?
i was thinking while watching this is, a CLASS on how NOT TO 4x4
Really off-road driving school
Something for rich people
+Aron Apple I think it's a good idea. It's cheaper than learning by breaking, like I've been doing.
I find that wet leaves are worse than slick rock. lol
where was this
egruter89 This was an offroad school in the catskills NY. Link to the school is in the description. Thanks for checking out my video.
2010svtraptor
nice looks like fun
2010svtraptor off road school in the Catskills? That doesn't look like anyplace in the Catskills I've ever Sean
Shawn Holton It's private property so thats probably why. The website for the school is in the description in case your interested in trying it out.
Cool
Tires not aired down? Rookie
Shouldn’t need lockers for that little hill. Just 4lo
watching this is like Whac-a-Mole using my mouse.
Nice video, but too many annotations man.
wantsanewvehicle agree
not talking crap right now just stating that early.
but ive went up much harder inclines and trails than that with just volkswagon beetle with posi track rear ends
2 wd and literally up i went.
they used to make buggies out of em.
i've been down far far more difficult areas in my jeep than this in just 2wd.
Lockers are for people that do not know how to offroad, never had one and never needed them. Save your money and just buy a winch.
My 92 Land Cruiser FJ80 would go thru that with no problems and no lockers...
Harold, bring your wifes Fj out and see just how much more a jeep can do than your vag wagon. I didnt even think they made those for men???? Oh wait, they stopped making them, because they bbbbllloooowww.
i have 33 extreme terrain tires, but no lockers
I Like The Black Jeep Looks Like a Beast Looks like a Mother Jeep. Nice
Those tires on the second jeep are bald. Slicks vs off road tires.
Great video of the trucks but the commentary from the "experts" watching is a tad annoying.
I might loose my mind if I was stuck behind these noobs.
Lock your front and walk over this tiny turd, then unlock. That's the point of having elockers.
You would be in an off-road for beginners course if you were behind these noobs. We all have to start somewhere, at least they got started.
+Josh Sharp that is very true
Pitiful. My hummer h1 would destroy these obstacles. So would my dads defender 90 diesel
Pretty sad you need lockers for leaves 😂😂😂😂😂
could climb up in full size chevy 2wd
That's a good boy, you get a treat.
+Bradley Walters Right. Whatever you say.
+Bradley Walters you're an idiot.
+Keith Varden your an idiot, jeeps are pieces of shit. get you an 85 chevy sitting on 35s and you will go any where.
+Bradley Walters I watched a stock Bronco II drive through a hole that 1/2 tons on 35's took turns ramming into and pulling each other out of. This hole had a 90 degree corner in it so the "hold my beer" and "git 'r' dun" wasn't working for them.
My driveway is worse in the winter... my fwd car makes it up 1/8th mile snow ice hill let alone leaf.. more about driver skill than the rig..
Wow that was really difficult to watch. Throttle control, momentum, tire pressures, line selection, spotters advice etc etc all could have been better. I could hardly see through all the pop ups too. I love locking diffs though. Love my JK too.....
+Fair dinkum Thanks for checking out my video bro. Sorry about the popups, i'll take it easy on those in the future.
my 74 fj40 open dif 2wd 3rd gear would walk up no problem
Good video but damn, tone it down on the overlays! Clicking X constantly is terrible, especially when you already have a subscribe button in the corner.
+NHTacoma yea my bad. Back then i was very new to youtube and that was the only way i knew how to do it. My new videos are no longer like that. 👍
nice jeep....but what with the hard breathing
Hills
my skateboard is louder than that jeep. ill stick to my yj
WTF is with all the pop-ups? Good video, but super annoying...
+Alan Callies Yea sorry Alan, back then i didn't know how to do great editing so i used the popups to give people info. thank god those days are gone lol
Why would anyone go to a school to learn off-roading?
rdm33rd I have been offroading for years with my previous vehicles. But there are always people out there that have more experience than you so why not improve your skills. Plus where i live there is no legal offroading anywhere nearby so going to these places give me a chance to have some fun.
Because the jeep world is full of nerds that don't know how to wheel a rig.
I'm going to take a class just for the reason mentioned above...... I'll never believe I know everything about anything. I've been wheeling for years, but I may actually learn something while out having some fun with some other experienced wheelers.
get a 4runner problem solved
I could do it with no lockers easily.
Would you be able to do it in 4x4 low, and without any traction system assistance?
All of roading 101 should be done with no lockers whether you have them or not. Otherwise the students are not really learning to exploit traction control, ABD and 4wh and 4wl, or in cases of lots of non-rubicons, limited slip diffs.
Of course. I been in bad ass trails. This is a "Offroad school class" so this is beginner stuff. Easy.
this hill is tiny. I dont get it
+Jesse R They are intentionally crossing up the vehicles on an obstacle to demonstrate a common situation off road in order to instruct the drivers.
Nope, ya dont :)
Dude's tires are completely bald, no wonder he's struggling so bad. Don't have jack to do with lockers... buy some freaking tires!
My shovel would destroy that hill
LOL
shit was laaaaaaaaaaaaaaame
Guys its ok to be angry and frustrated... I would too be upset if i knew what a incapable vehicle jeep is :-(
Just get a fucking rake
I quit watching because of the stupid pop-up ads.
Bad drivers.:(
More like ignorant commenters.
horrific driving skills
Cute mall crawler, get a real jeep the FJ Cruiser if you want to do trails, thanks guys.
Lol, come on do you really believe that?
Harold the tubesteakman has obviously never driven a Wrangler Unlimited
LMAO DISCONTINUED!!! FOR A REASON!
That is a first for me to see a Toyota fan boy call a fj a jeep! You must not be a true Toyota Fan Boy. Closet Jeeper maybe?
Vehicle envy maybe?
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That's exactly what they were doing dumbass. This was a beginner's class.