@@xNoktemAeternus2 You'd probably still have to buy all the plugins, but for the plugins you've bought, all of the amps, cabs, effects, etc. would all show up in the app as individual components, so you could take an amp from Archetype Petrucci and pair it with a delay from Archetype Nolly, etc., all within a single app. So it's one plugin running, instead of two or more, which would likely take less power for your computer to run. I'd love for that to exist.
@@xNoktemAeternus2 Mecurial sells seperate amps but it's all under one global plugin that you can use the different pedals/cabs/amps emixing and matching the different products you purchase etc. IK Multimedia does the same. They can sell 150 dollar seperate plugins... and have a master plugin to house it in.
Dude, that last tone is totally, 100% useable! No joke. That sounds absolutely sick and could easily find it's way into a track as a progressive/psychadelic sound design-y top line melody. That's the thing with music production, making what seems like a completely silly signal chain will often yield absolutely mind blowing results. People need to take more chances with sound design in their music! Sick video.
agree with this, i often find myself disabling audio in my DAW and using direct monitor while i play, then mixing with the plugins once i've recorded. I'd much rather play with effects but the few milliseconds of input lag make it much harder to play well
Or instead of spending way too much money on 3 NDSP plugins, take an amp sim you know and love that has an overdrive pedal in it, put a high pass filter EQ in front of it, choose an IR you love and then EQ to control the resonant and boomy frequencies. You can do this and only actually spend $15 for the IRs or just use a free plugin that sounds good
Fortin Cali is my favorite plugin even by itself 👀 But I keep it in my signal chain for the noise gate pedal alone, it clamps down better than the stock gate 👀
I’ve always struggled figuring out how to shape guitar tones with amps and sims. I’ve learned so much about tones/amps from your videos and your playing has inspired me so much. Thank you!! 😎🙏🏾
Your perspective does depend on the marketing though. This video to me showcases the weakness or disadvantage of neural DSP plugins in that they are all discrete and bundled pieces of gear. You cannot buy the fortin pedals to use with the nolly amps and the gojira cabs individually. Buying aside, you cannot load them in the same plugin you have to make a plugin chain which I personally do not like, I want a single UI if possible. Not saying that it doesn't work though. But I find myself using Audio Assault products for when I am looking to craft tone (ReAmp Studio and lately Amp Locker) and using neural for tones that I don't wanna dial in and want quickly, because I like how so many artists are commissioned to make presets for the plugins before launch.
The approach to crafting a tone for someone who’s used to tube amps versus someone who’s used to sims is really interesting. I’m a reformed tube purist who’s about a week into using sims, and it seemed like a no-brainer to start with plugins based on my own gear and stack them. That said, I’ll always love my tube amps, but damn am I having a great time with sims.
i wish companies would take the bias fx approach more often, just having all your amps cabs and pedals in one space with a one time payment or even a tiered payment that unlocks different things at certain price thresholds, that would simply be perfect, and i could use this technique in standalone mode when i'm just jamming/practicing and dont wanna open a daw and be able to use all the suits i paid for in one single program pretty much exactly how bias fx does it
I like how this video lowkey suggested that u NEED to buy ALL the Neural plugins to reap full benefits and reach the ultimate guitar sound! This is very clever IQ200 type of marketing disguised as a guitar tip video 🧠📈💰 But here's a FREE tip for the rest of us people who are not bound by Neural DSP: if u use standalone plugins, u can pair ANY amp with ANY pedal and then use ur favorite IR loader to load ANY IR u have! 🙌 #winning 4:40 I've never seen a guitar like that! Like amber! 👀 Very cool and unique! 👌
I think it's good to do it this way as there may certain pedals you want to use compared to what was already given in the Neural DSP plugins, but that's also if your computer can handle it as the plugins itself may be more CPU intensive if you don't have a good computer, and not everyone has that luxury to have a good quality computer that won't bog down after just a few instances of any Neural DSP plugins.
I only ever had 2 Neural plugins running by accident if I forgot to close one, so this is actually pretty sick. I just stacked the Nolly plugin on the Soldano one and did some tweaks and it definitely sounds better. Thank you for suggesting it!
Ive been doing this since they released petrucci, using the phaser planger and wah with Nolly's Victory Kraken for leads. Man that Abasi lead sounds nuts i need that tone.
It’s a cool way to look it for sure, but there’s no way I’m spending almost $300+ just for 3 separate amps. I know there’s Black Friday going on, but on does not need this
Neural DSP should make something That integrates all his plugins, I Think the same with GRIND Pedal... would be awesome to have access to all pedals available for Neural DSP
i tend to split the pre-amp+amp section in one layer and record them on besides of the di track. This way i can hard-record my pedals with a controller while playing, without making different tracks for each setup, or use a midi automation for controller tracking. when the timing sucked, i use the di track to re-record while having all my attention to the pedals. EQ, IR and post-fx i use separate on my final mixing tracks. Its a nice way to be creative with all your virtual pedals. Once you set everything up, it's very easy to use.
Notching out resonant spikes n the EQ of the cab IR, EQing your DI to get it in the directing of the tone your after, laying your saturated sound with a cleaner gain sound that retains the note definition and just generally playing tight also makes the sound closer to what we here on albums. Go watch Joey Sturgis if you want to here the same ideas from a professional.
Do you get phase issues using multiple Neural DSP plug ins? Also any tips on how to balance your input and outputs using multiple plugins? The grind pedal makes Nolly X clip hard.
the grind pedal sucks though, it adds an annoying quackiness to the string attack. You pretty much have to crank the pedal too and get the full quack because if you only put it up half way or 3/4 then you loose signal strength and gain. Try the tse 808, it's free and buster from humanitys last breath used it on a few albums.
Hi, Quick one, I know the input from the plugins are important to the tone. What do you do regarding these, IE running the drive from the Fortin grind, in to the Nolly 5150. Do you tame the output and input, or do you let this drive them. As obviously it's a drive pedal but curious to how this works in a digital plugin world. Cheers.
Great video, I love combining the timed effects section of the Archetype Rabea with the ToneKing Imperial. Also, using one of the new Archetype plugs' pitch shift function before something like the Nolly.
Thats why they should do a neuraldsp hub, so you can do all that but in just 1 plugin instead of having to link a bunch of them on a DAW. Just imagine being able to choose between all the heads cabs and pedals in just 1 place. The combination would be wild.
Duuude! I am kinda okay at playing guitar but crafting tones.... I suck at it... but this combination finally the guitar bites! Has that ooomph! Thank u sooo much!
I can’t even play with distortion because I have a ground loop issue or something. It sound muddy and messy. It’s horrible. Can’t seem to figure out what the problem is. The guitar is buzzing like crazy
ok but how does this actually work? I get the idea but you still need to combine all the signals, since they are separate standalone programms - i know you must have done it in this video, i simply don't know how and would like to know
mann your tones are always so damn good! I think there might be something wrong with my guitar, it has this annoying like undertone underneath my chugs.. it sounds like my di is duplicated with the cab turned off and sat underneath everything i play. I know this isn't like a help forum or anything but do you know what might be the cause of it? i could post alittle clip to show it
I use the gojira plugin effects on all my stuff. But i like using nam for amps sometimes. I also always run a real 33 and/or ep boost into the front of my interface
when i combine plugins they have a weird fuzzy cuppy sound. even when i turn on and off the right cab/amp in order in the chain. It just souds weird. any advice?
Chuck a VU meter on each instrument signal chain and set it to -18db. Adjust vol so that the needle is bouncing around 0db on each Put one on your master chain, set to -12db. Do the same thing.
I tried one day and just thought I'm ridiculous. And then I see your video. I just tried again and fell into a combination I am loving. First, the DI match from Disruptor (Joey Sturgis' Dino Cazares) and Widener, then the pedals of Fortin, and then Gojira's head and amp. Thanks for the tip, I thought it was a stupid idea but I see it wasn't!
This was a lot of fun! I've experimented with stacking NDSP plugins in my DAW before, like bringing a chorus over into one that doesn't have it, but the primary "mixing" I've done is to take a couple of my favorite IR files from Cali and load them into my other NDSP plugins. I freakin' love their sound. One thing I was wondering about - there are several gates on in these screenshots. The 1st setup has the Zuul on (love it), plus the NDSP gate in Cali, and Nolly, and Gojira. Do you notice any difference with them on vs off? When I have Nameless or Cali open I have their Neural gates off because I've got the Zuul going, but I've never bothered to check for a difference if I left them on. Perhaps the one that's set the highest (Zuul in this case) is the only one that matters.
if you take a neural dsp plugin and, for example, a Gojira plugin and divide it into 3 sections: 1. pedal 2. amplifier 3. cabinet and compare it with plugin, in which everything is included in one, the sound will be completely different. The situation is the same with other plugins neural dsp. Gain staging does not help get the same sound as in one plugin
i just use helix for the pitch shifter in nolly or omega amp work, but yeah combining plugins is a lot of fun! Right now I m using avox tube saturation (a hormonic inhancer) on my di before going into archetyp nolly and adds that extra crispyness on my modern crunch tones!
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Thanks for watching!
I just need to download a better guitar.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I have that patch! Now I just need to download the skills DLC update. But it's expensive in time currency and I don't think I'll ever get to it.
@@joses2152same here
@@joses2152I still need to download the sweep DLC
@@KeyanHoushmandLive Lol, good luck with that
Neural really needs to finally make an amp suite plugin with all this gear in it.
How can they sell it in pieces lmao
@@xNoktemAeternus2 You'd probably still have to buy all the plugins, but for the plugins you've bought, all of the amps, cabs, effects, etc. would all show up in the app as individual components, so you could take an amp from Archetype Petrucci and pair it with a delay from Archetype Nolly, etc., all within a single app. So it's one plugin running, instead of two or more, which would likely take less power for your computer to run. I'd love for that to exist.
@@xNoktemAeternus2 Mecurial seemed to do this just fine... also IK Multimedia as well.
@@johnbach2380 I meant it sarcastically, like how can they sell 1 complete suite when they can sell each piece for 150 a pop
@@xNoktemAeternus2 Mecurial sells seperate amps but it's all under one global plugin that you can use the different pedals/cabs/amps emixing and matching the different products you purchase etc. IK Multimedia does the same. They can sell 150 dollar seperate plugins... and have a master plugin to house it in.
We need Neural DSP tone hub🤷🏻♂️
Best you could do I paste in presets from TH-camrs or others
This is just more evidence that Neural needs a platform that lets you combine all of the plugins you already own....
Neural Hub! It would be a gamechanger
Exactly!!! Like Mercuriall AmpBox
Quad Cortex one day 🥲maybe I'll buy one then lol
We've been asking for this for years and NDSP just does not give a fuck about the customers' needs when it comes to this glaring problem.
right ? it ill take no effort for them to do it...its ridicolous@@LunatiqueRob
5:04 the solo from The Poison was unexpected but welcome! =D
Loved how you added a classic metalcore solo in there with BFMV the poison, one of my favourite solos
Dude, that last tone is totally, 100% useable! No joke. That sounds absolutely sick and could easily find it's way into a track as a progressive/psychadelic sound design-y top line melody. That's the thing with music production, making what seems like a completely silly signal chain will often yield absolutely mind blowing results. People need to take more chances with sound design in their music! Sick video.
There is some absolutely horrendous TH-cam artefacts in the audio for this video. The rhythm tone is absolutely smashed
I just want you to know that I appreciate you notating the "chapters"/sections in the vid, wish more people did that
7:30 that’s a hell of a guitar tone, actually usable for like an intro or a pad like sound for a break down
The BFMV throoooow back 😩
Do a video on how to get the lowest possible latency with ASIO and or WDM and what ever else. What are your settings?
agree with this, i often find myself disabling audio in my DAW and using direct monitor while i play, then mixing with the plugins once i've recorded. I'd much rather play with effects but the few milliseconds of input lag make it much harder to play well
That video was really helpfull, I never thought about stacking those plugins together that way! Thank you.
Or instead of spending way too much money on 3 NDSP plugins, take an amp sim you know and love that has an overdrive pedal in it, put a high pass filter EQ in front of it, choose an IR you love and then EQ to control the resonant and boomy frequencies.
You can do this and only actually spend $15 for the IRs or just use a free plugin that sounds good
yahh, every DAW has an EQ that comes with it. It's practically free, if you need to control those boomy excessive low end sounds.
This. Fortin Grind is basically a simple EQ curve + volume boost afaik. People get on the hype of brands and pretty GUIs way too much
Dude this is only the second video I've watched from your channel but so far it's so helpful and I've learned a lot.
Fortin Cali is my favorite plugin even by itself 👀
But I keep it in my signal chain for the noise gate pedal alone, it clamps down better than the stock gate 👀
I do the same!
That solo from the The Poison..🔥🤘🏼
Great video. I think that’s the challenge is for us all to understand the usual guitar tone combinations as a starting point. 👏🏻
I’ve always struggled figuring out how to shape guitar tones with amps and sims. I’ve learned so much about tones/amps from your videos and your playing has inspired me so much. Thank you!! 😎🙏🏾
Your perspective does depend on the marketing though. This video to me showcases the weakness or disadvantage of neural DSP plugins in that they are all discrete and bundled pieces of gear. You cannot buy the fortin pedals to use with the nolly amps and the gojira cabs individually. Buying aside, you cannot load them in the same plugin you have to make a plugin chain which I personally do not like, I want a single UI if possible.
Not saying that it doesn't work though. But I find myself using Audio Assault products for when I am looking to craft tone (ReAmp Studio and lately Amp Locker) and using neural for tones that I don't wanna dial in and want quickly, because I like how so many artists are commissioned to make presets for the plugins before launch.
Amp Locker is just such an outstanding value I geniunely feel sorry for all the folks buying multiple overhyped Neural DSP plugins
The approach to crafting a tone for someone who’s used to tube amps versus someone who’s used to sims is really interesting. I’m a reformed tube purist who’s about a week into using sims, and it seemed like a no-brainer to start with plugins based on my own gear and stack them. That said, I’ll always love my tube amps, but damn am I having a great time with sims.
Woah, that lead is amazing. Really what I’ve been looking for myself, haven’t really had a lead tone that cuts through like that.
The poison solo!! Love it haha, sounding great man!
i wish companies would take the bias fx approach more often, just having all your amps cabs and pedals in one space with a one time payment or even a tiered payment that unlocks different things at certain price thresholds, that would simply be perfect, and i could use this technique in standalone mode when i'm just jamming/practicing and dont wanna open a daw and be able to use all the suits i paid for in one single program pretty much exactly how bias fx does it
I like how this video lowkey suggested that u NEED to buy ALL the Neural plugins to reap full benefits and reach the ultimate guitar sound! This is very clever IQ200 type of marketing disguised as a guitar tip video 🧠📈💰
But here's a FREE tip for the rest of us people who are not bound by Neural DSP: if u use standalone plugins, u can pair ANY amp with ANY pedal and then use ur favorite IR loader to load ANY IR u have! 🙌 #winning
4:40 I've never seen a guitar like that! Like amber! 👀 Very cool and unique! 👌
3:31 threw in some reptile by Thornhill
I think it's good to do it this way as there may certain pedals you want to use compared to what was already given in the Neural DSP plugins, but that's also if your computer can handle it as the plugins itself may be more CPU intensive if you don't have a good computer, and not everyone has that luxury to have a good quality computer that won't bog down after just a few instances of any Neural DSP plugins.
I only ever had 2 Neural plugins running by accident if I forgot to close one, so this is actually pretty sick. I just stacked the Nolly plugin on the Soldano one and did some tweaks and it definitely sounds better. Thank you for suggesting it!
I just plug straight into my revv 100p mk3 head with a revv 4x4 cab. Sounds great.. just expensive to buy
The Poison solo was SOOOO GOOD
Ive been doing this since they released petrucci, using the phaser planger and wah with Nolly's Victory Kraken for leads. Man that Abasi lead sounds nuts i need that tone.
my notebook literally explodes when i accidentally open Arch Plini without having closed Parallax before lol.
It’s a cool way to look it for sure, but there’s no way I’m spending almost $300+ just for 3 separate amps. I know there’s Black Friday going on, but on does not need this
Try audio assault Amp sim
My man went and made his own Quad Cortex
My biggest takeaway from this is that I really just want Josh's signature now.
the grind is one of the best drives ever made. great video man, you definitely snagged the best parts of all of those plugins
I love using the abasi compressor and pathos for bass tones, you can also expand what instrument you’re sending through the chains
Dude that’s a great idea. I can’t stand the Pathos emulator on my guitar. Never thought to throw it on a bass.
Neural DSP should make something That integrates all his plugins, I Think the same with GRIND Pedal... would be awesome to have access to all pedals available for Neural DSP
You are criminally underrated ❤ love all your content bro keep it coming!
i tend to split the pre-amp+amp section in one layer and record them on besides of the di track. This way i can hard-record my pedals with a controller while playing, without making different tracks for each setup, or use a midi automation for controller tracking. when the timing sucked, i use the di track to re-record while having all my attention to the pedals. EQ, IR and post-fx i use separate on my final mixing tracks. Its a nice way to be creative with all your virtual pedals. Once you set everything up, it's very easy to use.
Homie just sent the sweaty bullet solo outta nowhere 🔥🔥🔥
Notching out resonant spikes n the EQ of the cab IR, EQing your DI to get it in the directing of the tone your after, laying your saturated sound with a cleaner gain sound that retains the note definition and just generally playing tight also makes the sound closer to what we here on albums. Go watch Joey Sturgis if you want to here the same ideas from a professional.
Do you get phase issues using multiple Neural DSP plug ins? Also any tips on how to balance your input and outputs using multiple plugins? The grind pedal makes Nolly X clip hard.
Yes!! I was using the Fortin Grind pedal with the other amp sims too 👌🏼 great to see this being mentioned here 🤘🏼
What about all the hype with the gain on the interface? What are your thoughts Keyan? Thank you
Always such a joy to see your shit bruh!!!
me: I bought all these plugins, i'm ready to put them all in my chain and have mad toans!!!!
my 2012 Macbook Pro: The fuck you are
5.03 i was reading somethn at the back and when i hear that first note i just jumped lol
the grind pedal sucks though, it adds an annoying quackiness to the string attack. You pretty much have to crank the pedal too and get the full quack because if you only put it up half way or 3/4 then you loose signal strength and gain. Try the tse 808, it's free and buster from humanitys last breath used it on a few albums.
That's why I am using Helix. So many options to build your tone.
Helix FTW. I'll never have to spend money on amp sims or anything of that nature ever again. and if im not using the Helix id wanna use a real amp.
2:00 Gungrave cover when?
Fortin Cali such a nice plugin to play that song!
Love that ERRA Gungrave riff at 1:58🤘🏼
Hi,
Quick one, I know the input from the plugins are important to the tone. What do you do regarding these, IE running the drive from the Fortin grind, in to the Nolly 5150. Do you tame the output and input, or do you let this drive them. As obviously it's a drive pedal but curious to how this works in a digital plugin world.
Cheers.
Nice throwback with that BFMV solo 🤘🏻
That nameless pedal is goated
I knew I'm using my henson plugin wrong. I need 3 or 4 more Neural dsp plugins !
He played BFMV poison's solo ahhh man trip down memory lane
Brooo that Poison solo hit me hard. Also we've spoken before on Instagram.
Great information as usual, one thing I add somewhere in the chain is a saturator, this on the DI can create a lil more life to it
Okay but you have to put the plugins on a stereo bus right?
There is no point for mono inserts if you are using effects right?!?
Cheers for Absolomb solo.
that riff you played from "Grey" 👌
and the solo 👌
Tried this concept many times including using analog pedals and running neural through some of my cabs
Great Video! You just did what i only had in my thoughts. BEST TONE VIDEO FROM YOU
Great video, I love combining the timed effects section of the Archetype Rabea with the ToneKing Imperial. Also, using one of the new Archetype plugs' pitch shift function before something like the Nolly.
Thats why they should do a neuraldsp hub, so you can do all that but in just 1 plugin instead of having to link a bunch of them on a DAW. Just imagine being able to choose between all the heads cabs and pedals in just 1 place. The combination would be wild.
Maaaaaaan I been doin this. Its cracked. Cant wait for QC compatibility, ive been having to just tone capture what I make
Duuude! I am kinda okay at playing guitar but crafting tones.... I suck at it... but this combination finally the guitar bites! Has that ooomph! Thank u sooo much!
What plugins would you guys suggest for stuff like Cell/ Snuffed On Sight/ Peeling Flesh etc
I generally use petrucci for everything, but that octaver pedal in gojira is awesome for leads.
i need that Tone Keyan for Video Game and Film composing !
2:07 apretty great modern metal tone you made
Also, those plugins you've mentioned are heavy on the cpu. most people wouldn't be able to run that many plugins all at once.
How have I never even thought of this
Love the video! Such a creative way to get great tone! Unrelated to this video, do you have any courses? Thank you!!
Neural dsp just should make a kind of hub where you you just can select which amp or pedal you bought.
I can’t even play with distortion because I have a ground loop issue or something. It sound muddy and messy. It’s horrible.
Can’t seem to figure out what the problem is. The guitar is buzzing like crazy
ok but how does this actually work? I get the idea but you still need to combine all the signals, since they are separate standalone programms - i know you must have done it in this video, i simply don't know how and would like to know
mann your tones are always so damn good! I think there might be something wrong with my guitar, it has this annoying like undertone underneath my chugs.. it sounds like my di is duplicated with the cab turned off and sat underneath everything i play. I know this isn't like a help forum or anything but do you know what might be the cause of it? i could post alittle clip to show it
I use the gojira plugin effects on all my stuff. But i like using nam for amps sometimes. I also always run a real 33 and/or ep boost into the front of my interface
I find NAM much better than neural dsp when it comes to modeling high gain amps. Once you find a good profile there's bo going back.
Buying all my Black Friday neural dsp plugins through your link Kenyan 🙌 least we can do for all the TH-cam content you put out to help
Cool mix ups of the plugins.
The last one was insane!
when i combine plugins they have a weird fuzzy cuppy sound. even when i turn on and off the right cab/amp in order in the chain. It just souds weird. any advice?
sponsored by: Neural DSP, Jackson Guitars, and all Evertune Bridges. lol
That bullet for my valentine solo in the demo tho
It sounded like you went from Tom Morello to Nile at the end
This is exactly what I needed
The 3rd gojira cab is so good. I just find the OD and amp to be a bit noisy.
Dawgggg you quit the absalomb solo before the sweeping, I feel that though 😂
Why you calling me out like that bruh they don’t even play that shit love themselves
@@KeyanHoushmandLive yeah, it’s crazy. Unless we have a Nolly reunion tour it’s unlikely we’ll ever hear it live
Awesome, I would be interested to hear from you about the loudness of each instrument while mixing. Maybe about whole gain staging? 😅
Chuck a VU meter on each instrument signal chain and set it to -18db. Adjust vol so that the needle is bouncing around 0db on each
Put one on your master chain, set to -12db. Do the same thing.
@@Paymonj thank you man I'll definitely try it :-)
I tried one day and just thought I'm ridiculous. And then I see your video. I just tried again and fell into a combination I am loving. First, the DI match from Disruptor (Joey Sturgis' Dino Cazares) and Widener, then the pedals of Fortin, and then Gojira's head and amp. Thanks for the tip, I thought it was a stupid idea but I see it wasn't!
This was a lot of fun! I've experimented with stacking NDSP plugins in my DAW before, like bringing a chorus over into one that doesn't have it, but the primary "mixing" I've done is to take a couple of my favorite IR files from Cali and load them into my other NDSP plugins. I freakin' love their sound.
One thing I was wondering about - there are several gates on in these screenshots. The 1st setup has the Zuul on (love it), plus the NDSP gate in Cali, and Nolly, and Gojira. Do you notice any difference with them on vs off? When I have Nameless or Cali open I have their Neural gates off because I've got the Zuul going, but I've never bothered to check for a difference if I left them on. Perhaps the one that's set the highest (Zuul in this case) is the only one that matters.
if you take a neural dsp plugin and, for example, a Gojira plugin and divide it into 3 sections: 1. pedal 2. amplifier 3. cabinet and compare it with plugin, in which everything is included in one, the sound will be completely different. The situation is the same with other plugins neural dsp. Gain staging does not help get the same sound as in one plugin
Stellar video!!
3:37 BASED THORNHILL RIFF
Tim Hensen & Nolly sound so sick together
i just use helix for the pitch shifter in nolly or omega amp work, but yeah combining plugins is a lot of fun! Right now I m using avox tube saturation (a hormonic inhancer) on my di before going into archetyp nolly and adds that extra crispyness on my modern crunch tones!
7:20 OMG you invented the guitar tone of Karnivool !
The poison solo lol nice