The picture losing sync for a moment is actually due to the game switching resolutions. Among several other consoles that do this, Saturn games do it a lot, with the title screen and sometimes menu being on 480i 15khz, while FMVs and gameplay are 240p 15khz. There can also be changes across different "240p" resolutions within the same game. CRTs handle these resolution changes like it's nothing, but any flat panel will desync for a variable amount of time. This one seems to regain sync relatively fast compared to others. Nothing to be done about this other than to use an external processor with frame buffering (with added lag as a tradeoff).
@@rosnijack8512 I haven't tried with those. It seems the further back you go the worse it is. For example, the NES RGB modded has trouble with this. I believe what's happening is the sync is more of a 'feature' rather than what retro gamers would deem an 'issue'. After-all these were intended for field and studio use, so they were designed to identify sync and display it differently than most TV's. I wouldn't recommend this monitor for retro gaming, but here and there I'll use it to use some Saturn games.
Absolutely. The weight and size is great allowing you to move them around without much prepping or thought. Good display for component-era systems as well.
Hey Patrick! You did my Gamecube HDMI mod a few years ago, love your work and videos! Do you have a video of the Dreamcast running on that 14" PVM CRT you show in this video? And would it be using scart or VGA? Thanks again!
Much respect, thank you for putting your trust in hdRGB. That's a great idea, I'll have to make a video of it! I could use either format in general, but this TV takes RGB, so that would be it.
Thank you for the Laser for my Saturn. Keep up the good videos. PS I ha e a 32inch sony trinitron 2003. I got it on offer up for 20 bucks from a retired gentleman. I play all my light gun games on her.
Awesome, glad to hear it! I love all monitors whether they are CRT or LCD. I'm actually in the midst of picking up a VGA monitor to use exclusively with the Dreamcast.
No, the GC component cables aren't worth the price for me personally, especially since we are modding the GC for HDMI. We just released a video for that if you're interested. The TV has a 3.5mm audio input, so I use a simple RCA>3.5mm adapter cable and plug it straight in. I sometimes use that same cable to plug into external speakers. Hope that answers your question.
I think using LM1881 will solve the problem. Set CVBS to Csync on LM1881. I tried with 9020. I tried it on PS1, but I think it works for SS as well. Machine translated from Japanese.
I don't know that monitor, but I'd say, use the best output it has. If it's composite, your probably better off playing older systems. If there's RGB you're golden. If it has s-video at the least, you could grab a pair of those cables for the PS1/PS2/PS3 and it should look far better than standard composite.
I feel there is no suitable answer here other than to say, trouble shoot, with the process of elimination, trying various consoles and cables. That's the way.
Nice little monitor. Just about every european 720p and 1080p LCD TV sold up until now has RGBs in through the SCART connector. Not just professional monitors. 4K models and newer usually don't though as they started phasing SCART out. It feels like a lot of people think gaming on their CRT looks better just because it's small. A low resolution picture looks better on a 14" screen than it does on a 50" screen. 240p RGBs to a small LCD looks fantastic. Going from CRT to LCD for PC gaming was a huge relief back in the day because of reduced eye strain and improved clarity, not to mention desk space. I think the CRT craze is a bit strange. I have a well calibrated 32" CRT (I have an electronics lab and do my own repair and servicing) and a 42" LCD, both with RGBs. They have almost the exact same 4:3 image size. I'm prefectly happy gaming on the LCD and will probably sell my CRT after I have finished recapping it and had my fill of light gun games for all my consoles. It's a beast
I agree with lower resolutions being best suited for smaller tv's, that is just perfect marination right there. If it's going to be nuked up on a nice new big modern TV (nicely using RGB of course) then you need to distance yourself from the set accordingly. It;s all about how close or far you're sitting. Gotta keep the nostalgia flowing through our veins!
"It feels like a lot of people think gaming on their CRT looks better just because it's small." My CRT is 20" and taller than my 24" LCD. Retro consoles look like shit on the LCD. I'll gladly take your CRT off your hands.
Yes, I would definitely say so. The ideal place to contact is a film/video studio that have been holding them in storage. Most people selling them are individuals that want near retail or greater price than originally sold.
Hey hdRGB, I'm building a video wall with these and the smaller ones. Is it possible using BlackMagics converter to use HDMI? I think HDMI would be easier for me to push content onto each monitor. BlackMagic has a tiny HDMI to SDI converter. Does that work for this monitor or am I confusing ports?
That's a cool monitor. How good are those LCD Broadcast monitors with RGB input? Especially the motion clarity. I would think motion would blur still and have lag?
The picture is fantastic. They are also very good with motion blur, so there is very little lag , but I have not run a lag test or anything like that. The only down-side thus far is that there are constant changes in sync when going from menu to game, so sometimes the picture cuts out as a feature of the TV to identify those changes. I wouldn't game on this consistently, but it's fun as a small secondary monitor.
I am not sure how similar that monitor is to this one. To get sound on this, I have to use a 3.5mm > RCA cable in order to connect it. Hope that helps.
This is a key comment. At the time of recording this, I had no idea. Now it's abundantly clear as to what's happening to the picture. Playing the Saturn on here is simply hilarious and not recommended, but the picture itself looks solid when displayed.
Sure, with any of the inputs in the back, but you'd likely have to downscale hdmi to an analog connection and i'm not quite sure if you'd want to do that.
The LMD-9020 does deal with analog inputs very well, but the image quality sucks serious ass. It's basically a very early LCD. I have not seen an LMD-9050 (double the resolution) IRL though.
@@gpbear4 umm no.. if you wanna go lcd then go for OLED or high quality IPS via OSSC! These old monitors offer correct resolutions like 640x480 but the lcd quality is not great for gaming and also they need exact specific signal timing! There is no margin for signal timing error! I myself have one of these monitors but it's not worth it... If you wanna go CRT then get a PVM or bigger sony Trinitron and then RGB mod it!
Rama Mishra thanks, i have a low lag 1080p LCD and a decent 14in PVM CRT, but was just looking to see what else is out there. it would be cool if there was a low lag 480p 4:3 LCD
that looks like dogshit compared to a crt, sorry man. i would still love one as novelty. if you don't have a bright crt your tube is prob dying or something bro. the "sync" issues are the internal scaler of the LCD adjusting from 240p/480i. Crts don't have a native res and dont need scalers so thats why you dont see that on the crt.
@c0rpse1 Easy there. If you're playing on a CRT, you're better off to use good 240p classic content. This LCD is intended for PS2/XBOX/GC component-era consoles. The Saturn is just a funny system because it changes resolution so often and the monitor picks it all up making it almost unplayable at times. I'm happy to have been able to show that in this vid. Anyways, be well bud!
Hi @@hdrgb how are you? I fix the sync issue in this monitor using rgb to Ypbpr (component) converter. There is the RGB2COMP from the Retrotink company but in my case I bought one from Brazilian Gamescare company. Right know I’m using with the PSONE and Sega Saturn 😉
I'm tickled by the way you say 'composite'. I've worked in TV for 15 years and have never heard anyone pronounce it that way. I've always heard/said it like 'come-pause-it', not 'comp-a-zit'. I wonder if that is a European pronunciation as well.
Do you retro game with a modern TV or oldschool CRT? Lots of awesome set-ups available for both. Let me know below and let's discuss.
The picture losing sync for a moment is actually due to the game switching resolutions. Among several other consoles that do this, Saturn games do it a lot, with the title screen and sometimes menu being on 480i 15khz, while FMVs and gameplay are 240p 15khz. There can also be changes across different "240p" resolutions within the same game. CRTs handle these resolution changes like it's nothing, but any flat panel will desync for a variable amount of time. This one seems to regain sync relatively fast compared to others. Nothing to be done about this other than to use an external processor with frame buffering (with added lag as a tradeoff).
I appreciate the information. It really helps. Thank you.
@@hdrgb How severe are the sync issues with SNES and Genesis?
@@rosnijack8512 I haven't tried with those. It seems the further back you go the worse it is. For example, the NES RGB modded has trouble with this. I believe what's happening is the sync is more of a 'feature' rather than what retro gamers would deem an 'issue'. After-all these were intended for field and studio use, so they were designed to identify sync and display it differently than most TV's. I wouldn't recommend this monitor for retro gaming, but here and there I'll use it to use some Saturn games.
@@hdrgb thx for the reply, i will try and get a crt.
wow so tiny and compact. love these
Absolutely. The weight and size is great allowing you to move them around without much prepping or thought. Good display for component-era systems as well.
Hey Patrick! You did my Gamecube HDMI mod a few years ago, love your work and videos! Do you have a video of the Dreamcast running on that 14" PVM CRT you show in this video? And would it be using scart or VGA? Thanks again!
Much respect, thank you for putting your trust in hdRGB.
That's a great idea, I'll have to make a video of it! I could use either format in general, but this TV takes RGB, so that would be it.
Thank you for the Laser for my Saturn. Keep up the good videos. PS I ha e a 32inch sony trinitron 2003. I got it on offer up for 20 bucks from a retired gentleman. I play all my light gun games on her.
Awesome, glad to hear it! I love all monitors whether they are CRT or LCD. I'm actually in the midst of picking up a VGA monitor to use exclusively with the Dreamcast.
Such a cool video
Yeaaaaaaaah boi! (thank you)
Have you tried this monitor with a GameCube and component cables? Also how are you hooking up the audio connections from your breakout cable?
No, the GC component cables aren't worth the price for me personally, especially since we are modding the GC for HDMI. We just released a video for that if you're interested.
The TV has a 3.5mm audio input, so I use a simple RCA>3.5mm adapter cable and plug it straight in. I sometimes use that same cable to plug into external speakers. Hope that answers your question.
I really want one 😍
I think using LM1881 will solve the problem.
Set CVBS to Csync on LM1881.
I tried with 9020.
I tried it on PS1, but I think it works for SS as well.
Machine translated from Japanese.
Any advice for PVM 9L1 to Ps2? It doesnt have the composite connections but has S, adapter?
I don't know that monitor, but I'd say, use the best output it has. If it's composite, your probably better off playing older systems. If there's RGB you're golden. If it has s-video at the least, you could grab a pair of those cables for the PS1/PS2/PS3 and it should look far better than standard composite.
Hey question. I have a 9030 and trying rgb connection and it’s not working. Any idea what it can be? A setting I’m missing?
I feel there is no suitable answer here other than to say, trouble shoot, with the process of elimination, trying various consoles and cables. That's the way.
Nice little monitor.
Just about every european 720p and 1080p LCD TV sold up until now has RGBs in through the SCART connector. Not just professional monitors. 4K models and newer usually don't though as they started phasing SCART out.
It feels like a lot of people think gaming on their CRT looks better just because it's small. A low resolution picture looks better on a 14" screen than it does on a 50" screen. 240p RGBs to a small LCD looks fantastic.
Going from CRT to LCD for PC gaming was a huge relief back in the day because of reduced eye strain and improved clarity, not to mention desk space. I think the CRT craze is a bit strange. I have a well calibrated 32" CRT (I have an electronics lab and do my own repair and servicing) and a 42" LCD, both with RGBs. They have almost the exact same 4:3 image size. I'm prefectly happy gaming on the LCD and will probably sell my CRT after I have finished recapping it and had my fill of light gun games for all my consoles. It's a beast
I agree with lower resolutions being best suited for smaller tv's, that is just perfect marination right there. If it's going to be nuked up on a nice new big modern TV (nicely using RGB of course) then you need to distance yourself from the set accordingly. It;s all about how close or far you're sitting. Gotta keep the nostalgia flowing through our veins!
"It feels like a lot of people think gaming on their CRT looks better just because it's small."
My CRT is 20" and taller than my 24" LCD. Retro consoles look like shit on the LCD.
I'll gladly take your CRT off your hands.
what is the input latency like on these? this only takes an analog video signal right?
Is it somewhat difficult to find pvm and bvm in your part of town?
Yes, I would definitely say so. The ideal place to contact is a film/video studio that have been holding them in storage. Most people selling them are individuals that want near retail or greater price than originally sold.
@@hdrgb Sounds good. WIll be doing some research. Thank you.
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Hey hdRGB, I'm building a video wall with these and the smaller ones. Is it possible using BlackMagics converter to use HDMI? I think HDMI would be easier for me to push content onto each monitor. BlackMagic has a tiny HDMI to SDI converter. Does that work for this monitor or am I confusing ports?
I think we discussed this already. I hope you got your set up nice and ripe!
That's a cool monitor. How good are those LCD Broadcast monitors with RGB input? Especially the motion clarity. I would think motion would blur still and have lag?
The picture is fantastic. They are also very good with motion blur, so there is very little lag , but I have not run a lag test or anything like that. The only down-side thus far is that there are constant changes in sync when going from menu to game, so sometimes the picture cuts out as a feature of the TV to identify those changes. I wouldn't game on this consistently, but it's fun as a small secondary monitor.
I connect my ps1 on lmd 9030 through S-video cable but no sound ?! How to fix it ?
I am not sure how similar that monitor is to this one. To get sound on this, I have to use a 3.5mm > RCA cable in order to connect it. Hope that helps.
@@hdrgb yes thats right now it works thx
Yesterday i got the sony lmd 9030 and i connected my ps3 and ps1 through s-video cable they work well , I like the speaker of this monitor 👍
Hi, do you know what cords would be needed to connect this to my VHS handycam?
Without looking at the inputs, I really can't say. Take a look at the rear inputs for this TV and see what's needed. Hopefully that helps.
The monitor loses sync because the menu is in 240p and the FMVs are 480i. Digital interfaces can't process that sync change as fast as a CRT can.
This is a key comment. At the time of recording this, I had no idea. Now it's abundantly clear as to what's happening to the picture. Playing the Saturn on here is simply hilarious and not recommended, but the picture itself looks solid when displayed.
Can u connect this lcd to a pc
Sure, with any of the inputs in the back, but you'd likely have to downscale hdmi to an analog connection and i'm not quite sure if you'd want to do that.
can 9020 paly 240p?
Yes, it can :).
The LMD-9020 does deal with analog inputs very well, but the image quality sucks serious ass. It's basically a very early LCD. I have not seen an LMD-9050 (double the resolution) IRL though.
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It doesn't do 240p .. only does 480i on rgbs! I got one myself in great condition!
what about 480p?
@@gpbear4 nope
Rama Mishra these PVM LCD’s arent really suitable for gaming are they?
@@gpbear4 umm no.. if you wanna go lcd then go for OLED or high quality IPS via OSSC! These old monitors offer correct resolutions like 640x480 but the lcd quality is not great for gaming and also they need exact specific signal timing! There is no margin for signal timing error! I myself have one of these monitors but it's not worth it... If you wanna go CRT then get a PVM or bigger sony Trinitron and then RGB mod it!
Rama Mishra thanks, i have a low lag 1080p LCD and a decent 14in PVM CRT, but was just looking to see what else is out there. it would be cool if there was a low lag 480p 4:3 LCD
that looks like dogshit compared to a crt, sorry man. i would still love one as novelty. if you don't have a bright crt your tube is prob dying or something bro. the "sync" issues are the internal scaler of the LCD adjusting from 240p/480i. Crts don't have a native res and dont need scalers so thats why you dont see that on the crt.
Good ol dog shit. Crts are nice room good having balance bud. Light things are nice too. Cheers big man.
@@hdrgb im slashing my wrists and screaming
@c0rpse1 Easy there. If you're playing on a CRT, you're better off to use good 240p classic content. This LCD is intended for PS2/XBOX/GC component-era consoles. The Saturn is just a funny system because it changes resolution so often and the monitor picks it all up making it almost unplayable at times. I'm happy to have been able to show that in this vid. Anyways, be well bud!
Hi @@hdrgb how are you? I fix the sync issue in this monitor using rgb to Ypbpr (component) converter. There is the RGB2COMP from the Retrotink company but in my case I bought one from Brazilian Gamescare company. Right know I’m using with the PSONE and Sega Saturn 😉
@@rodrigodoni588 Nice man, I'm glad it's working!
I'm tickled by the way you say 'composite'. I've worked in TV for 15 years and have never heard anyone pronounce it that way. I've always heard/said it like 'come-pause-it', not 'comp-a-zit'. I wonder if that is a European pronunciation as well.
That's the beauty of language :you can say things in many ways. Maybe it's a mix of Canadian English and European Polish!
Maybe he's from Minnesota don't cha know?
compoSHIT is the right pronunciation. XD
@@darklordyianni4463 haha