The Frame Work laptop can come without an OS, so you can install Linux if you want. I know because I bought a "DIY" version and a friend and I put it together and installed the OS.
i asked them in an email and they are considering adding this to their website in the future ... but they are testing internally with fedora and ubuntu
@@paullee107 I had little trouble installing 20.04.3 w/5.11.0 kernel. Needed a small workaround for the Wifi, but no major problem otherwise. I’d much rather have an LTS distro, even if it requires a minor workaround.
I can't wait to see this in France and to see a picture of a shelf filled with laptops, this one having the new repairability sticker with 8, 9 or 10 out of 10, next to the surface laptop with 0 out of 10. I really hope those repairability stickers will get to be a thing.
you can also have a look at the devices of shiftphone. They do modular phones, like Fairphone, from Germany and are releasing a „tablop“. with a intel i5 tiger lake (so that should be similar, I think? idk about intel cpus lol ). It’s more like a modular surface though, has 13,3 inch display and touch display. Haven’t seen anyone talking about it.
@@florianfelix8295 Is there more info on the Shift? I've looked at them a few months ago and it was either all in German, or very shallow marketingspeak without any specs, price nor working model on screen. I found it to be quite fishy. Bit like a scam Indigogo or Kickstarter that promises a lot but can't even show a working prototype.
This is what we urgently need: an open standard for the mechanical/thermal/electrical interface specs of modular components especially motherboard and body but also batteries, screens, keyboard. Like we have already for ITX case & motherboard, PCIe slots and cards, SO-DIMM memory, NVME M.2 interface. Let laptop become the new desktop pc.
@@youkofoxy unless somehow we can blow Frame.work to Apple or Dell proportion.. I doubt we are able to, but in tech/academic niche it is doable. As a computer scientist I am looking forward to experiment on this kind of... framework
Phones too. Imagine if components between laptops, tablets-foldables, and Fairphone/Shift phone models could be mixed and matched ~ kinda like Project Ara but with parts held in by phillips-head screws. Don't care about battery life? Trade battery size for a beefier SoC and slap on a 1440p 120hz display (maybe a built-in stylus too?). Want a larger phone? Just grab a large chassis with a folding hinge and 9-inch display and go ham! > 10,000mAh battery > 25W wireless "air charging" receiver > 9-inch QHD 120hz folding extendable display > SD969 + RDNA4 graphics > 32 GB LPDDR6X RAM > 1TB UFS 4.0 flash storage > Built-in stylus > Ports: 2 x USB-C/USB4-TB4, 3.5mm jack, microSD > 3 x 108MP cameras (main, telephoto, ultrawide) > Specialty cameras: IR, hexachromic, ultramacro, LIDAR > Other specialty/custom sensors & modules.
We already have standards for nearly everything, but it's not easy to make using them law, as it guarantees whoever comes up with a standard all the profit from licensing. Strangely many standards have free licensing, and greedy companies don't use the standards so they can stack business in their favor, as well as thwart the competition. "Stacking" is against the laws of non competition, and has been for a long time! As a consumer it's hard to fight because of the legal expenses, but competing companies can and sometimes do. Many companies use tricks like using a standard in a non standard way to get around it: HP, does it with their USB cables and other IO's, and accessories for their devices, and so do others, Apple has taken stacking to the extreme with chip ID's so you can't even put anything from one identical device in another! They have been sued and fined millions, maybe in the billions already in parts of Europe and else where, but since they can afford the legal expenses without flinching, they keep doing it, or just find ways around the laws, or make country specific models of devices!
One thing they should really push on their marketing is the green aspect of it. This laptop would have a ton less e-waste than traditional laptops over the same time period, since you can upgrade everything.
They do! I mean they don't put it above modularity, specs and price, but its not at all hard to find on their site. It's part of their mission statement, if I remember correctly.
i kinda like that the green aspect is not super in your face, it kinda is obvious though. I think this laptop will appeal to every tinkerer. Also, very appealing to folks who are concerned about e waste. Covers different bases nicely. Just the whole concept is wonderful. lots of folks are excited about it.
I showed a video about this laptop to couple of my non techie friends all of them said that this type a device makes no sense because unless your device breaks within first 5 years its worth fixing but then again thats the warrenty period(2 years manufacturer +3 years extended) so why would you repair it yourself. After that its not worth fixxing because unless you are techie it will cost too much compared to just simply buying a new one
@@bigpod The point of this is that you can just upgrade the motherboard/RAM and keep using the laptop. Less waste and (once production scales up) cheaper. And everyone should learn to replace a goddamn battery, it's 2021, they're everywhere.
@@bigpod Tell them that Framework offers the ability to swap out the motherboard and CPU, and ask how a device you will never have to replace all at once (assuming you take care of your stuff) doesn't make sense.
@@benjaminoechsli1941 well i asked them something on the vein of not replacing it all at same time and consensus was it realy doesnt matter at the end whether you spend piece by piece or all at once you will spend that money only difference you will also have to spend time or additional money paying someone who will replace it for them
I've just ordered the DIY version of this with the i5 processor. I'm long overdue for a new laptop, and I'm glad to support this company. I'll install 32GB (2x16) and a 1TB SSD. For the bare metal OS I'm going to try Qubes. Should be fun!
@@Bri-bn5kt More than that. As they aren't paying for a windows license either. I saved with mine as well. Carried over the nvme drive from my old laptop and going to install zorin 16 on it instead. I did pick up the microsd reader as a port so waiting on a card for putting the installer on to make the magic happen.
This is a big part of what appealed to me here. It's great that it's designed with service/repair in mind, but I could also order it exactly the way I've always wanted to order a laptop.
I joined their mailing list for when they're shipping to the EU/UK - not because I need a laptop, but because they need to know we're interested and supportive this side of the pond. I wish them every success and look forward to a v2.0. - my personal vote would be to offer a 'chunky' model. Thin and light is all well and good, and the current notion of what's desirable, but my laptops have been old Thinkpads and MacBook Pros from 10+ years ago and those were plenty thin enough for me. With modern components a slightly chunkier model would have excellent cooling and oceans of room for expansion, upgrades and more connectivity, and could be built like a tank. The latter is really important if you're realistically going to use the same chassis over the years and upgrade the 'innards'.
I've been waiting for this... but maybe it will be a gift as I just upgraded my 2015 laptop... New battery, a second stick of RAM and a SATA m.2... But that's all I can upgrade on it. I bought it to have something while deployed and it survived some blowing dust and 60°C sun. After 7 years, the battery stopped holding its charge and I bought it with a HDD but noticed it had an empty m.2 slot, huge upgrade there! And also, luckily for me, it came with a single 8GB RAM but a vacant second slot, so I found another for 16GB...so now it runs great and I've breathed new life into it.
I wish all manufactures would make their devices more repairable... I don't want the extreme but screws/sockets would be nicer than all glued together things. Also for the people complaining about thinness, this laptop is nearly identical to a macbook.
People who complain about thinness really should sit down and shut up. That's part of the whole repairability issue in the first place and it's the first excuse companies use when they're questioned on the topic of repairability. People should be prepared to accept slightly thicker laptops (like this one) in exchange for being able to actually maintain the bloody things. We have such a poor electronics recycling system that making devices last longer is essential.
@Xavier Breath PC power supplies are adequately shielded, grounded and boxed in on their own so no one can accidentally touch their internal components when working with other things and get zapped. Also the reason the insides of a charger box are not put inside any laptop or phone. If you get zapped through a motherboard or laptop PSU, you'll only get 12V at most, since that's as high as the current ever gets in these circuits. That's nowhere near deadly margins unless you already have heart problems. Not only would it increase bulk if a laptop had to be designed to take current directly from the mains, but also make it needlessly risky. The very fact that iMacs in particular have exposed power supply bits inside is disgusting. They're the exception, not the rule. Only Apple would dare design their computers in such a terrible, needlessly unsafe manner, and get away with it. Otherwise as long as you're not cutting the power supply open, 99% of the time you'll be fine.
@Xavier Breath Like manufacturers gluing phone batteries in so strongly you either have to stick a knife inside and rip it apart or heat it up a lot, either of those possibilities bearing the chance of an already failing battery burning and leaking questionable fumes? Why do manufacturers glue it anyway? Not to mention there's also a few times where I've gotten small cuts on my fingers from handling motherboards. And there's also the chance of burning oneself with a soldering iron (it never happened to me, but I know that can be nasty). Nothing in life is completely risk-free, and there's only so much you can encompass in a design's scope.
I have intentionally tried getting 18650s (supposedly the most dangerous of all lithium ion batteries... hint, they're not, they're just used for vaping, which is killing the tobacco industry, so that's just a highly-financed lie) and I couldn't get more than a dramatic "pop" out of them.
Mine should be shipping in just a few days! So excited! I didn't really need a new laptop all that much but when I saw this company addressing all the anti consumer practices of manufacturers that I've been ranting about for years I figured I needed to put my money where my mouth is and support them.
This is phenomenal! It addresses the very reasons I've avoided buying laptops in recent years. I am really excited for this. And I'm really excited that some of the most trusted names in the tech industry are speaking highly of it.
This is definitly the laptop I get when I want to upgrade... If they come to my region (because of the French layout keyboard, I'm too used to it to change). I was pleasantly surprised that colleagues not really aware of right to repair related subject were interested or even excited, notably thanks to those swappable ports (I love em too). I really, really wish them a big success. If it works, it could really brings change to the industry.
I agree on the modules, I mean, you plug a single module (usb c) for a single USB A port?, why not two in the module?, USB A is still universal, having it by default on the board shouldn't be that complicated. But overall, I like this product and I'm counting the days till they release it on my country.
I completely agree with you, but I guess the beauty of this system is that they can easily design a new module with double USB A later assuming 2 ports physically fit side by side. I don't hold it against them that they don't have it yet as it's a huge task just to get this shipping.
@@irridiastarfire Two USB A ports can only just squeeze into the module form factor, but not with enough space to accommodate the extra width of actual USB cables and devices. As for double USB C, the actual circuitry is a tough fit into the module itself.
@@mjc0961 it's going to be used for a while yet because many (if not most) people have USB A cables and devices. Ideally USB A would be phased out by now but anyone with a brain realized it wasn't gonna happen this quickly. If you want USB C just get the USB C modules and be done with it; framework would only be hurting their business refusing to offer it.
Yeah. Not only that... I also feel like they could just also a usb-c on there cause it's going to be a standard going forward and you're always going to need one.
I hope this company sticks around. I would be glad to do all my laptop purchases from them in future. Right now don't need an upgrade for a year or two so hope they hold out long enough for me to buy next version!
With this and downclocked mobile threadrippers all my dreams would come true. I really hope Framework gets attention and is available like other commodity laptops all across the globe. This feature set needs to be established in everyday laptop buyers choice
people often talk about reparability in very abstract manners. But it should go something like this: You will be able to use this laptop for 10+ years. Not a slight chance if you're lucky and very delicate with your machine or willing to pay the price of a new one for a repair, no. You can just choose to keep it working. (that is if the company doesn't go bankrupt of course)
I watched a lot of framwork videos since 3 months ago because I love their modular design. I originally thought the price was a bit too high but not anymore after Wendall's video. Why? Many said the screen was pretty good but I had no idea how good until this video. Look at that viewing angle from the side. Amazing!!!! 😁 This screen quality doesn't come on any budget laptops.
Preorder one like 3 months ago when I heard about it. Even after just buying a $1600 laptop. I wanted to support the project. Just wish they had a gaming version... That would be the perfect laptop for me haha.
Finally, someone here with a brain who understands the RTR movement! Thank you. SO tired of hearing "I won't buy one until it has a dedicated GPU" You can almost hear them crying and stamping their feet. Makes me sick.
So what makes frameworks interesting is the fact that it uses USB (PCIe ?) lanes to extend the peripheral devices, like monitors and display port. They could theoretically be able to add another USB C or type A to the expansion slots. It's great to see memory and drive upgrades available on the board, but using those expansion cards for peripheral also allow you to add extra memory, but those are currently capped at 256gb, it'd be worth while to open one of those up to see if they use a type of 2240 nvme/ssd or a SD card.
I bought my G15 a couple months ago (the 3070 1440p gaming machine), upgrading from a tortured Thinkpad T460s that I'd upgraded and modified beyond recognition. I kind of wish I could afford to support this company, though. This stuff needs more exposure and to be shown to the broader market that it can be done and be financially viable.
I appreciate that it looks bog standard. In the same vein, going whacko with styling probably slowed the uptake of hybrid cars in the beginning. Normal people want normal looking stuff.
So long as mine holds up well enough, this is probably what I'm going to be recommending to the "friends and family" circle that I have to do IT work for.
Exactly my thoughts - within my family there's very much an 'as needed' share and swap components mentality with desktop PC's. So when someone splashes on an upgrade their old hardware gets reused by someone else for whom the old is also an 'upgrade' on what they had, and so on down the chain. Doing much the same thing with laptops would be a hell of a step in the right direction.
@@julian.morgan Yup. Most of my old PC desktop hardware has lived a full life doing this and my relatives have saved a buck along the way. Everyone wins aside from the companies who really want my grandma to get a new laptop.
@@RandomPlaceHolderName Yes - my dad's 82 and he has an old MacBook. He was worried about how many emails were in his inbox so I got a call about whether he should delete them or archive them before he ran out of space? I remoted in to his machine and turns out that in 5 or so years, he has used about 40GB of the 500GB hard drive - that's everything, OS, apps, documents, photos and three novels he's written in retirement. All he really needs is a solid back up plan and for me to send him a 240GB SSD and he'll have all the "upgrade" he needs til the thing dies. My point is that if he'd expressed the same fear to anyone at a computer store they'd have confirmed all his fears and fleeced him in 10 minutes.
it'd be cool if they had a thicker version to try and compete with the 'gaming' market instead of 'thin and light'. Then you could take out the graphics card and add extra battery when you need a laptop to last for a day, and put the graphics card back in when you know you'll be near an outlet all day.
Or maybe have a docking station accessory that slots right in there when you're close to an outlet but don't need gpu horsepower. And then laptops could market themselves based on how many of these expansion slots they come with. Only problem might be using the same interface for a gpu, battery, and thunderbolt-ish dock, but hell, no one's ever tried before, so it could be possible. At least the dock and battery could use the same port, some dual usb-c configuration perhaps, maybe even for the gpu. There's endless possibilities for these types of laptops for functionality instead of soldered down e-waste like we're seeing more and more with soldered RAM, CPUs, GPUs, storage, and so on. It's heartbreaking, but also inspiring for new engineers hopefully
a comment for the algorithm. more people need to know about this companies philosophy and design approach. thank you for supporting this and using your platform to promote it.
I'd really like L1 to do a deeper dive into the hardware. Rossman did an ok job , but it was a live stream with lots of waffle and he didn't even install an OS. I'd like to see Linux focused usage - I mean just to be 100% sure there aren't any weird driver issues or glitches. What about 'hot swap' swapping out of those port modules? Making sure that all the normal functionality is there like the finger print sensor on Linux - something bog standard like Ubuntu or Pop-OS would be fine. I'd just like to see it working. Obviously if some features are Windows only then they're missing a trick and maybe misunderstanding their target audience, who'll at least want the option of dual booting.
I haven't replaced my laptop in ten years, asides from it looking a little beat up from living in two different automotive repair shops for those ten years it still works. I upped the ram to 10 GB (found in another laptop at a scrap yard lol :P ) moved the old boot drive over and installed a 250 GB SSD for the main boot drive, other then that I replaced the batter once and still rocking it to this day as my daily work machine. I've been looking in to getting a Framework laptop as its replacement for the last couple months because I can't lie my current one is showing its age even with the little upgrades I've done to it, but I think if I did get one it will spend most of its time at home on my own work bench. Like you said it's a laptop for tinkerers and I do more of that at home where a desktop is not happy live like I've done before.
I hope in the future Framework releases a version of the laptop with swappable battery module. I don't mind that version of the laptop being a bit thicker.
@@morosis82 i think they might need to redesing the dc to dc converter for that. Because you would need to use two different voltage batteries. But shouldn't be to hard. For this young company it's not feasible but if they get more customers it could be possible :)
@@morosis82 That feature is what I like about previous Lenovo Thinkpad T series. (i.e. Thinkpad T480). The smaller battery doesn't have to be internal. What if they support two swappable battery modules so you can do battery hot-swapping.
Had the same idea. 2x USB-A 3.0 would do it for me. Not sure it it would fit though. Would you be swayed to the idea of using Mini/Micro iterations of DP and HDMI ports? Not sure if I'd like the extra dongles myself.
@@Trancefreakeh I figured just making the modules slightly larger. If can't make smaller and have just one, make them slightly bigger and have two. Why not all of the options? That's why these things need to become a standard, it creates a market. The ENTIRE computer standards system needs to be completely redone from top to bottom anyway. Yes, even that and that, yep those things too. No, we can keep using electricity as the energy source .... for now (that can be revised in the next overhaul, due in 5,976,120 seconds) E2A: DOH! I did the time wrong, failed to actually notice the unit fields in the calculator and can't find a suitable calculator. Was aiming for 69 years, 4 months, 2 days, 0 hours represented as seconds. CBA to look longer, will probably already be viewed before then. Drat and Darn! No, I'm not going to use a normal calculator because to hell with trying to calculate time like that on a calculator (those who know why, know why)!
Late to the fiesta, Wendel, but I was really hoping that you'd get yer hands on this and do a review. Alas! Here it is. I always welcome your take on stuff like this. Thanks!
Wendall, you should talk to their team, and get them to send you their next model. I'm pretty sure they're working on a touchscreen version as well as AMD version of their motherboard, which they should be selling separately for people to swap into their current Intel model.
This laptop is brilliant! I'm so happy that companies who actually care about the environment and their customers actually exist. If only Apple would lead with products like this, then their environmental ads would actually make sense... Fantastic content!
@@jyvben1520 a capture card would write the video signal to a file, I want to plug in a second computer HDMI into the laptop itself and use it as a monitor, natively
Frameworks does a lot well (modular I/O, clear instructions, one type screw of different length, spare screws) but there are two current shortcomings: 1. No schematics for the customer. Yes, repairshops can get those but what if you don't have one nearby or you simply want to repair it yourself? Also, do you really own a product if you don't have the schematics? Decades ago you got schematics for pretty much all electronisch that you bougt. 2. No Ryzen yet in the lineup. It is understandable that a small starting OEM starts with one product segment but it needs to get added. I'd like to see this approach succeed. Please add the schematics!
These are also just basic bitch laptops. Nothing powerful or fancy. You won't be gaming with it or using it as a workstation. Hopefully they succeed and have the opportunity to expand their offerings in those directions in the future.
It seems like there is a valid reason for the schematics only being available to repair shops, Lewis Rossman mentioned that it was something he bought up with someone from framework and he sead the reason he was given was valid. It's likely that the manufacturers of the parts have some form of NDA in place.
@@raifsevrence True, but I don't like gaming with a laptop anyway. In my opinion it is a better option to use a desktop for gaming and a laptop only for whatever you need to do when you are not at home. Because of price vs performance, because of the performance and because of ergnomics. That low standing monitor, that touchpad, that compact keybaord, I hate using laptops, but we have to so I have one. I guess it simply depends on how many units they sell, if enough people buy a Frameworks laptop then they can expand their lineup. As I see it expanding it is not that difficult once you have that 'skeleton' in place.
@@spartan5280 It is not up to us to defend companies, it is up to us to plead for consumer rights! I have seen Louis Rossmann his video, he did not mention WHY Frameworks does not share schematics. I can think of a few reasons but the most logical reason is this: the company which they buy that motherboard with CPU from does not let them. If we - endconsumers - put pressure on Frameworks to share the schematics then Frameworks has a stronger position when it negotiates with that company which makes/ships those motherboards with CPU's.
@@peterjansen4826 I'm only defending Framework... They are probably stuck between a rock and a hard place with this because the companys that make the chips are likely using some copyright, patent, or trade secret law to enforce this. That's one of the big things that will hopefully be helped by RTR. They are not a big enough to be able to convince companies like Intel and TI to be more consumer friendly.
to be fair to big OEMs. in my dell xps 9510 I could easily install a 2nd M.2 ssd and upgraded the ram myself for less money. the battery is also replaceable. despite this i like the framwork concept and hoping for a wider modell range
i really like the idea of this laptop, but im looking for the desktop replacement version. very happy to see this business style and hope that they are able to be very productive and popular.
Thank you, this was highly awaited video from Wendell. The Win10 at opening was very close to make me angry, but good troll is a good troll! @5:15 Thank god the fingerprint reader works with Fedora! With trackpoint I could change from Thinkpad immediadly.
Being able to thumb my nose at the companies who said it can't be done is worth every cent of the 200 or 300 up front premium for similar specs. Love it and put my $ where my mouth is
this type of computers like raspeberry should be a must for the children of any tech entusiast out there, imagine completely contructing your childs first laptop with him, you are not just teaching them a lot of good lessons(like doing stuff yourself, repair yourself and that things do cost work to make them) and probably having a blast with them, but it will also show them that this is how this kind of stuff should be, you dont need to be a "nerd", to use the, and the proof is those expansions out there that you can just order and insert them without ever having to open the laptop, is just there as an option for you or facilitate the reparability of it by a professional
This is really cool. And even if it's upgradeable you'll have to buy it through Framework so they still get to sell parts, just a bit less. If it comes with a thunderbolt port you could use it as your main computer even for gaming.
Pretty sure it uses thunderbolt to connect the modular ports. Not 100% sure but I believe thats why they didnt make an amd model, because they need the bandwidth of TB4 to get a lot of the modular ports to work. It might not use TB for all the ports as regular usb 10gbps should be enough, but for something like hdmi 2.1 you would need something with the bandwidth of thunderbolt
@@Jake9066 This. It's Tiger Lake, it has inherent support for Thunderbolt integrated in the processor. Also, they're working on more and better expansion modules (E.g. with 2xUSB-C, Quad-DAC with all those audio nerd ports, etc...)
While I haven't looked too much of the validity of this, from other reviews I've heard that Framework is giving out all of the dimensions for everything and allowing/encouraging others to make their own components as well. Apparently that also includes the motherboard and the slide in ports.
@@kingknapp Yes. They're "open design". They also promised to provide design documentation to repair shops, so they can for instance easily repair the motherboard.
The only reason that I have not put in for a Framework laptop yet is the lack of a graphics card and an 8 core processor. I do A LOT of video editing, gaming, and 3D modeling. All of which benefit from lots of cores and a GPU. I expect that they will remedy this with later updates though, and I cannot wait!
Screw all the other laptop manufacturers, this is the example that they should all be following. Next laptop I get will definitely be a framework, I'll be sure to recommend this to everyone I know that is in need of a laptop.
shame that the original modular phones never took off would have loved them, iv only been hearing good things about this new toy hope i can get my hands on one soon, as my 10y old i5 laptop is maxed out now and am not buying a binner as I call them. thanks for the review man.
With the current and potential rising cost of rare components like lithium for screens and copper for wiring, reuseable/ repairable options like this will be necessary.
I hope they keep going strong because this is the laptop i want for my next laptop, but the one i've got probably has a couple years of service left at least.
I love my probook 445R G6 but its meh on the battery life because HP gave it a 2.5in bay so they didn't put in a larger battery. while its easy to swap internals I don't want to try and replace a keyboard, trackpad or screen on it. a zen powered version of this and I'd be really tempted to buy it
Very cool. Was waiting for the Wendell take ... I watched Louis Rossmann's live stream on this, however, once they carry Ryzen processors I'll be all over this puppy.
Apparently someone was talking in the Framerate forums about making a new adapter for the ports... the Engineers came it and gave them tips... WHO DOES THIS THESE DAYS!!?! We must protect them!
I have an invention that still would crush this. Instead of the CPU, RAM, GPU being in the "lap" portion ... make those just a thunderbolt display and port replicator with a USB kb connected ACTIVE thunderbolt 3 cable -- which could be networked in homes to even disconnect location-from CPU via Thunderbolt-3 switches. That way all the actual computer 'work, fan' bulk, etc., are independent of the KB, display and ports. Networked throughout your home, it's still just 1 plug in the wall (just like your AC) and as TB3 passes more than enough power for the entire device, as well, is still but 1 cord. You'd have also inadvertently cured all the latency of WiFi even as supposedly faster than 1GbE options emerge ... and could then have 10GbE if not SFP28 or even QSFP+. As a portable, the "power brick" is the whole computer, modular as it is, but more easily so bc the things that had to be ergonomic are in the actual KB and display -- which are NEVER the source of HEAT, and allow swapping out differing-display sizes as any OTHER TB port would support any display that were compatible with the form-factor. Which are already as "technically challenging" as swapping out USB KBs ... along with connecting every other port via that same TB cable. It's as 'peripheral committed' to the box as your shoes are to your pants. In fact, water cooling it wouldn't be difficult at that point. And despite everyone's focal-fixation being whether air or water have colder temperatures ... it's NOT the key-benefit of liquid-cooling, verse how QUIET larger, lower-RPM fans are vs those which must be thin & small. Small heatsinks have insufficient mass & fan-diameter to run at low RPM, which is what is actually annoying; not even the dB, but the PITCH. It'd also be quite-easy to then make the interior of the actual computer ("think: power brick") encased in rubberized material making it DURABLE and -- waterproof, with an alarm if the liquid cooler-ever had an issue or cooling weren't adequate ... but of course, instead of laptop components, if home -- you could plug in to desktop class devices ... with the criteria being one based on whether you require completely wireless runtime (on battery) or not.
I would like that too but i will be buy one regardless. The keyboard is replacable so i can probably buy keyboard with nordic layout from framework soon.
If I didn't already have a work purchased MacBook, I would totally get this to support what they are doing. I feel like this is the route IBM should have gone with the Thinkpad line instead of selling it off to Lenovo. I really hope this is a success.
imo ideal port setup would have been a fixed usb c on either side for with the 4 modular bays you are going to need one type c for charging anyway. Oh and I will be buying one for school next year if nothing bad happens with them.
If they make it so you can replace the trackpad with one with buttons then I'm gonna give it a serious thought because it would be pretty close to my ideal laptop. If they made a thicker version like sager or lenovo does it would be an instant buy. I understand them showing "hey laptops can be thin repairable and customizable" but now that this has been shown and made clear I personally would like a bit bigger one to be sold since I enjoy a laptop with a little more room and some other people do to and it could let them really expand on customization aspect since they'd have more room to mess around.
This is cool , no reason why you cannot build somthing thats thin and modern that is fixable. Jut look at the pre butterfly macbook air and pro , the pro was thicker and had a glued in battery , air was thinner and used screws , so apple just talk shit.
If they made one with an AMD 5000 series mobile CPU and a dedicated AMD 6000 series GPU, I would buy it. Even if it was $1000 more than the equivalent spec'd laptop from HP, Dell, ASUS, etc.
A lot of people complaining about 'no dedicated GPU' and 'no Ryzen CPU options' or 'no ethernet port' Do they not realise this is the first product from a small company?
Exactly. It's good to tell framework if you want ryzen or whatever but don't be too harsh. They will probably make ryzen laptop soon if they get enough orders.
No Ehternet is solved via their own expansion ports. Yes, it's just USB, but you could do much worse. The rest are legitimate complaints but with legitimate answers. Personally, my sole complaint is no Thunderbolt. It's already there on the CPU, and since I bought into TB3 then it's a must for me.
Yes, it's a first product. It's a good product. That doesn't mean people aren't allowed to say they want something a bit different. If they don't say it, why would the company even consider it? Like... come on, man, think for just a second. Don't just lash out at people.
Finally someone who agrees with me that these replacement io modules are not great in their current form. It's nice to be able to replace them, however just having 4 ports including the charge port is a major drawback.
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Wendall should talk about them also working to support linux and their community pages. My next personal laptop purchase will be a framework laptop
The Frame Work laptop can come without an OS, so you can install Linux if you want. I know because I bought a "DIY" version and a friend and I put it together and installed the OS.
@@johnaustin704 IM HOPE they add real gpu over the igpu
i asked them in an email and they are considering adding this to their website in the future ... but they are testing internally with fedora and ubuntu
@@paullee107 I had little trouble installing 20.04.3 w/5.11.0 kernel. Needed a small workaround for the Wifi, but no major problem otherwise. I’d much rather have an LTS distro, even if it requires a minor workaround.
@@paullee107 with it being all Intel I didn't figure there would be any fuss installing Linux.
I really hope that framework will open an EU store soon for the EU tinkerers who want to buy one of these interesting products...
I can't wait to see this in France and to see a picture of a shelf filled with laptops, this one having the new repairability sticker with 8, 9 or 10 out of 10, next to the surface laptop with 0 out of 10. I really hope those repairability stickers will get to be a thing.
you can also have a look at the devices of shiftphone. They do modular phones, like Fairphone, from Germany and are releasing a „tablop“.
with a intel i5 tiger lake (so that should be similar, I think? idk about intel cpus lol ). It’s more like a modular surface though, has 13,3 inch display and touch display. Haven’t seen anyone talking about it.
I want open hardware!
@@florianfelix8295 Is there more info on the Shift?
I've looked at them a few months ago and it was either all in German, or very shallow marketingspeak without any specs, price nor working model on screen. I found it to be quite fishy. Bit like a scam Indigogo or Kickstarter that promises a lot but can't even show a working prototype.
Yes i need Nordic style keyboard! I Will buy it at an instant
This is what we urgently need: an open standard for the mechanical/thermal/electrical interface specs of modular components especially motherboard and body but also batteries, screens, keyboard. Like we have already for ITX case & motherboard, PCIe slots and cards, SO-DIMM memory, NVME M.2 interface. Let laptop become the new desktop pc.
Well, I guess we not gonna get that.
On other side, having a highly modular notebook should happen...
In fact it was, it just isn't anymore.
@@youkofoxy unless somehow we can blow Frame.work to Apple or Dell proportion.. I doubt we are able to, but in tech/academic niche it is doable.
As a computer scientist I am looking forward to experiment on this kind of... framework
Phones too. Imagine if components between laptops, tablets-foldables, and Fairphone/Shift phone models could be mixed and matched ~ kinda like Project Ara but with parts held in by phillips-head screws.
Don't care about battery life? Trade battery size for a beefier SoC and slap on a 1440p 120hz display (maybe a built-in stylus too?). Want a larger phone? Just grab a large chassis with a folding hinge and 9-inch display and go ham!
> 10,000mAh battery
> 25W wireless "air charging" receiver
> 9-inch QHD 120hz folding extendable display
> SD969 + RDNA4 graphics
> 32 GB LPDDR6X RAM
> 1TB UFS 4.0 flash storage
> Built-in stylus
> Ports: 2 x USB-C/USB4-TB4, 3.5mm jack, microSD
> 3 x 108MP cameras (main, telephoto, ultrawide)
> Specialty cameras: IR, hexachromic, ultramacro, LIDAR
> Other specialty/custom sensors & modules.
agree, remember that this has been tried before, and it failed.
We already have standards for nearly everything, but it's not easy to make using them law, as it guarantees whoever comes up with a standard all the profit from licensing. Strangely many standards have free licensing, and greedy companies don't use the standards so they can stack business in their favor, as well as thwart the competition. "Stacking" is against the laws of non competition, and has been for a long time! As a consumer it's hard to fight because of the legal expenses, but competing companies can and sometimes do. Many companies use tricks like using a standard in a non standard way to get around it: HP, does it with their USB cables and other IO's, and accessories for their devices, and so do others, Apple has taken stacking to the extreme with chip ID's so you can't even put anything from one identical device in another! They have been sued and fined millions, maybe in the billions already in parts of Europe and else where, but since they can afford the legal expenses without flinching, they keep doing it, or just find ways around the laws, or make country specific models of devices!
One thing they should really push on their marketing is the green aspect of it. This laptop would have a ton less e-waste than traditional laptops over the same time period, since you can upgrade everything.
They do! I mean they don't put it above modularity, specs and price, but its not at all hard to find on their site. It's part of their mission statement, if I remember correctly.
i kinda like that the green aspect is not super in your face, it kinda is obvious though. I think this laptop will appeal to every tinkerer. Also, very appealing to folks who are concerned about e waste. Covers different bases nicely. Just the whole concept is wonderful. lots of folks are excited about it.
Good to see more coverage of this laptop! The repairability/upgradability needs to be the future of laptops, and ideally cell phones.
Take a look at the Fairphone 4 when it launches in the next few weeks, that gets pretty close to this as far as repairability goes
I showed a video about this laptop to couple of my non techie friends all of them said that this type a device makes no sense because unless your device breaks within first 5 years its worth fixing but then again thats the warrenty period(2 years manufacturer +3 years extended) so why would you repair it yourself. After that its not worth fixxing because unless you are techie it will cost too much compared to just simply buying a new one
@@bigpod The point of this is that you can just upgrade the motherboard/RAM and keep using the laptop. Less waste and (once production scales up) cheaper.
And everyone should learn to replace a goddamn battery, it's 2021, they're everywhere.
@@bigpod Tell them that Framework offers the ability to swap out the motherboard and CPU, and ask how a device you will never have to replace all at once (assuming you take care of your stuff) doesn't make sense.
@@benjaminoechsli1941 well i asked them something on the vein of not replacing it all at same time and consensus was it realy doesnt matter at the end whether you spend piece by piece or all at once you will spend that money only difference you will also have to spend time or additional money paying someone who will replace it for them
I've just ordered the DIY version of this with the i5 processor. I'm long overdue for a new laptop, and I'm glad to support this company. I'll install 32GB (2x16) and a 1TB SSD. For the bare metal OS I'm going to try Qubes. Should be fun!
You just saved yourself $300 for like 10 minutes worth of work. I recommend EVERYONE get the DIY version.
@@Bri-bn5kt More than that. As they aren't paying for a windows license either. I saved with mine as well. Carried over the nvme drive from my old laptop and going to install zorin 16 on it instead. I did pick up the microsd reader as a port so waiting on a card for putting the installer on to make the magic happen.
@@JuffoWup78 Didn't even think about the Windows license. Good point.
This is a big part of what appealed to me here. It's great that it's designed with service/repair in mind, but I could also order it exactly the way I've always wanted to order a laptop.
Im so happy Wendel got his hands on one! The more pr for this, the better!
I joined their mailing list for when they're shipping to the EU/UK - not because I need a laptop, but because they need to know we're interested and supportive this side of the pond. I wish them every success and look forward to a v2.0. - my personal vote would be to offer a 'chunky' model. Thin and light is all well and good, and the current notion of what's desirable, but my laptops have been old Thinkpads and MacBook Pros from 10+ years ago and those were plenty thin enough for me. With modern components a slightly chunkier model would have excellent cooling and oceans of room for expansion, upgrades and more connectivity, and could be built like a tank. The latter is really important if you're realistically going to use the same chassis over the years and upgrade the 'innards'.
Fingers crossed, it'll turn up in Europe/ UK soon 😊
Yes I live in the UK. Looking forward to it coming.
I literally clicked on the video because the video thumbnail was just too hilarious on patreon.
I've been waiting for this... but maybe it will be a gift as I just upgraded my 2015 laptop... New battery, a second stick of RAM and a SATA m.2... But that's all I can upgrade on it. I bought it to have something while deployed and it survived some blowing dust and 60°C sun. After 7 years, the battery stopped holding its charge and I bought it with a HDD but noticed it had an empty m.2 slot, huge upgrade there! And also, luckily for me, it came with a single 8GB RAM but a vacant second slot, so I found another for 16GB...so now it runs great and I've breathed new life into it.
no new battery ? i had to remove my very old battery otherwise windows would shutdown immediately, works fine without but needs powerbrick ...
I wish all manufactures would make their devices more repairable... I don't want the extreme but screws/sockets would be nicer than all glued together things.
Also for the people complaining about thinness, this laptop is nearly identical to a macbook.
People who complain about thinness really should sit down and shut up. That's part of the whole repairability issue in the first place and it's the first excuse companies use when they're questioned on the topic of repairability. People should be prepared to accept slightly thicker laptops (like this one) in exchange for being able to actually maintain the bloody things. We have such a poor electronics recycling system that making devices last longer is essential.
@@TheKazragore What's funny is that the Framework laptop is actually thinner than a new Dell XPS.
@@TheKazragore Noooo if we make electronics more repairable it will be bad for the economy noooooo
I can confirm stairs are more dangerous than laptop repair. I've never broken my ankle while repairing a laptop.
Lmao :D
@Xavier Breath PC power supplies are adequately shielded, grounded and boxed in on their own so no one can accidentally touch their internal components when working with other things and get zapped. Also the reason the insides of a charger box are not put inside any laptop or phone. If you get zapped through a motherboard or laptop PSU, you'll only get 12V at most, since that's as high as the current ever gets in these circuits. That's nowhere near deadly margins unless you already have heart problems. Not only would it increase bulk if a laptop had to be designed to take current directly from the mains, but also make it needlessly risky. The very fact that iMacs in particular have exposed power supply bits inside is disgusting. They're the exception, not the rule. Only Apple would dare design their computers in such a terrible, needlessly unsafe manner, and get away with it.
Otherwise as long as you're not cutting the power supply open, 99% of the time you'll be fine.
@Xavier Breath Like manufacturers gluing phone batteries in so strongly you either have to stick a knife inside and rip it apart or heat it up a lot, either of those possibilities bearing the chance of an already failing battery burning and leaking questionable fumes?
Why do manufacturers glue it anyway?
Not to mention there's also a few times where I've gotten small cuts on my fingers from handling motherboards. And there's also the chance of burning oneself with a soldering iron (it never happened to me, but I know that can be nasty). Nothing in life is completely risk-free, and there's only so much you can encompass in a design's scope.
I have intentionally tried getting 18650s (supposedly the most dangerous of all lithium ion batteries... hint, they're not, they're just used for vaping, which is killing the tobacco industry, so that's just a highly-financed lie) and I couldn't get more than a dramatic "pop" out of them.
1:59 not drunk huh? That’s exactly what a drunk person would say.
LTT is now a share holder in Framework for the sum of around $250,000. So this also should be a good sign of things to come.
Depends on the overall interest. Many people like me are holding out for AMD support.
Mine should be shipping in just a few days! So excited! I didn't really need a new laptop all that much but when I saw this company addressing all the anti consumer practices of manufacturers that I've been ranting about for years I figured I needed to put my money where my mouth is and support them.
expect some bigger firm to buy/invest if this gets successful
This is phenomenal! It addresses the very reasons I've avoided buying laptops in recent years. I am really excited for this. And I'm really excited that some of the most trusted names in the tech industry are speaking highly of it.
I'm very open to pre-ordering one of these as soon as that option becomes available where I live (Australia).
Excellent product, thank you for showcasing it.
This is definitly the laptop I get when I want to upgrade... If they come to my region (because of the French layout keyboard, I'm too used to it to change).
I was pleasantly surprised that colleagues not really aware of right to repair related subject were interested or even excited, notably thanks to those swappable ports (I love em too).
I really, really wish them a big success.
If it works, it could really brings change to the industry.
I recommend these to anyone asking me about a new laptop. If I can't fix my current laptop when it dies, I will be getting one of these.
I agree on the modules, I mean, you plug a single module (usb c) for a single USB A port?, why not two in the module?, USB A is still universal, having it by default on the board shouldn't be that complicated.
But overall, I like this product and I'm counting the days till they release it on my country.
I completely agree with you, but I guess the beauty of this system is that they can easily design a new module with double USB A later assuming 2 ports physically fit side by side. I don't hold it against them that they don't have it yet as it's a huge task just to get this shipping.
@@irridiastarfire Two USB A ports can only just squeeze into the module form factor, but not with enough space to accommodate the extra width of actual USB cables and devices. As for double USB C, the actual circuitry is a tough fit into the module itself.
USB A _shouldn't_ be used anymore, though. Death to type A, type C everything!
@@mjc0961 it's going to be used for a while yet because many (if not most) people have USB A cables and devices. Ideally USB A would be phased out by now but anyone with a brain realized it wasn't gonna happen this quickly. If you want USB C just get the USB C modules and be done with it; framework would only be hurting their business refusing to offer it.
Yeah. Not only that... I also feel like they could just also a usb-c on there cause it's going to be a standard going forward and you're always going to need one.
I hope this company sticks around. I would be glad to do all my laptop purchases from them in future. Right now don't need an upgrade for a year or two so hope they hold out long enough for me to buy next version!
With this and downclocked mobile threadrippers all my dreams would come true. I really hope Framework gets attention and is available like other commodity laptops all across the globe. This feature set needs to be established in everyday laptop buyers choice
I clicked for the thumbnail alone with no interest in laptops. Bless you Wendel.
people often talk about reparability in very abstract manners. But it should go something like this:
You will be able to use this laptop for 10+ years. Not a slight chance if you're lucky and very delicate with your machine or willing to pay the price of a new one for a repair, no. You can just choose to keep it working. (that is if the company doesn't go bankrupt of course)
I watched a lot of framwork videos since 3 months ago because I love their modular design. I originally thought the price was a bit too high but not anymore after Wendall's video. Why? Many said the screen was pretty good but I had no idea how good until this video. Look at that viewing angle from the side. Amazing!!!! 😁 This screen quality doesn't come on any budget laptops.
Preorder one like 3 months ago when I heard about it. Even after just buying a $1600 laptop. I wanted to support the project. Just wish they had a gaming version... That would be the perfect laptop for me haha.
So what do you say now? :)
I'm buying this just to support a company doing the right thing.
Finally, someone here with a brain who understands the RTR movement! Thank you. SO tired of hearing "I won't buy one until it has a dedicated GPU" You can almost hear them crying and stamping their feet. Makes me sick.
So what makes frameworks interesting is the fact that it uses USB (PCIe ?) lanes to extend the peripheral devices, like monitors and display port.
They could theoretically be able to add another USB C or type A to the expansion slots.
It's great to see memory and drive upgrades available on the board, but using those expansion cards for peripheral also allow you to add extra memory, but those are currently capped at 256gb, it'd be worth while to open one of those up to see if they use a type of 2240 nvme/ssd or a SD card.
I bought my G15 a couple months ago (the 3070 1440p gaming machine), upgrading from a tortured Thinkpad T460s that I'd upgraded and modified beyond recognition. I kind of wish I could afford to support this company, though. This stuff needs more exposure and to be shown to the broader market that it can be done and be financially viable.
I appreciate that it looks bog standard. In the same vein, going whacko with styling probably slowed the uptake of hybrid cars in the beginning. Normal people want normal looking stuff.
And that is the reason why, i like and comment every video about frame work to boost the engagement so more people get to know this laptop
This is great! I will buy and recommend them when it will be available in Europe.
Great concept.. fully upgradable and repairable with schematics and possibly third party add-ons and colors
It even comes with spare screws inside the case. Now that is attention to detail.
So long as mine holds up well enough, this is probably what I'm going to be recommending to the "friends and family" circle that I have to do IT work for.
Exactly my thoughts - within my family there's very much an 'as needed' share and swap components mentality with desktop PC's. So when someone splashes on an upgrade their old hardware gets reused by someone else for whom the old is also an 'upgrade' on what they had, and so on down the chain. Doing much the same thing with laptops would be a hell of a step in the right direction.
@@julian.morgan Yup. Most of my old PC desktop hardware has lived a full life doing this and my relatives have saved a buck along the way. Everyone wins aside from the companies who really want my grandma to get a new laptop.
@@RandomPlaceHolderName Yes - my dad's 82 and he has an old MacBook. He was worried about how many emails were in his inbox so I got a call about whether he should delete them or archive them before he ran out of space? I remoted in to his machine and turns out that in 5 or so years, he has used about 40GB of the 500GB hard drive - that's everything, OS, apps, documents, photos and three novels he's written in retirement. All he really needs is a solid back up plan and for me to send him a 240GB SSD and he'll have all the "upgrade" he needs til the thing dies. My point is that if he'd expressed the same fear to anyone at a computer store they'd have confirmed all his fears and fleeced him in 10 minutes.
@@julian.morgan Agreed, there's a lot of money to be made selling unnecessary things to unknowing people.
Purchased mine a couple of weeks ago at the end of batch 5 for the i5s. Hopeful to receive in the next few weeks! Very excited!
it'd be cool if they had a thicker version to try and compete with the 'gaming' market instead of 'thin and light'.
Then you could take out the graphics card and add extra battery when you need a laptop to last for a day, and put the graphics card back in when you know you'll be near an outlet all day.
Or maybe have a docking station accessory that slots right in there when you're close to an outlet but don't need gpu horsepower. And then laptops could market themselves based on how many of these expansion slots they come with. Only problem might be using the same interface for a gpu, battery, and thunderbolt-ish dock, but hell, no one's ever tried before, so it could be possible. At least the dock and battery could use the same port, some dual usb-c configuration perhaps, maybe even for the gpu.
There's endless possibilities for these types of laptops for functionality instead of soldered down e-waste like we're seeing more and more with soldered RAM, CPUs, GPUs, storage, and so on. It's heartbreaking, but also inspiring for new engineers hopefully
a comment for the algorithm. more people need to know about this companies philosophy and design approach. thank you for supporting this and using your platform to promote it.
That thumbnail is great
It's definitely the best one I've made so far lol ~Editor Autumn
I felt personally called out when you said “you are a tinkerer” 😂😂
"Or possibly tinkerer curious" for me. Can't wait ti have the time to go into the first category tho.
I can’t wait to get my hands on one of these (waiting for the Spanish keyboard) and install either Linux Mint or Arch on it.
I'd really like L1 to do a deeper dive into the hardware. Rossman did an ok job , but it was a live stream with lots of waffle and he didn't even install an OS. I'd like to see Linux focused usage - I mean just to be 100% sure there aren't any weird driver issues or glitches. What about 'hot swap' swapping out of those port modules? Making sure that all the normal functionality is there like the finger print sensor on Linux - something bog standard like Ubuntu or Pop-OS would be fine. I'd just like to see it working. Obviously if some features are Windows only then they're missing a trick and maybe misunderstanding their target audience, who'll at least want the option of dual booting.
I haven't replaced my laptop in ten years, asides from it looking a little beat up from living in two different automotive repair shops for those ten years it still works. I upped the ram to 10 GB (found in another laptop at a scrap yard lol :P ) moved the old boot drive over and installed a 250 GB SSD for the main boot drive, other then that I replaced the batter once and still rocking it to this day as my daily work machine. I've been looking in to getting a Framework laptop as its replacement for the last couple months because I can't lie my current one is showing its age even with the little upgrades I've done to it, but I think if I did get one it will spend most of its time at home on my own work bench. Like you said it's a laptop for tinkerers and I do more of that at home where a desktop is not happy live like I've done before.
I hope in the future Framework releases a version of the laptop with swappable battery module. I don't mind that version of the laptop being a bit thicker.
Same.
What would be cool is if it had a small internal battery and a swappable main battery. That way you could swap batteries while the laptop is on.
@@morosis82 that's pretty cool idea :) i think it's probably doable :)
@@morosis82 i think they might need to redesing the dc to dc converter for that. Because you would need to use two different voltage batteries. But shouldn't be to hard. For this young company it's not feasible but if they get more customers it could be possible :)
@@morosis82 That feature is what I like about previous Lenovo Thinkpad T series. (i.e. Thinkpad T480). The smaller battery doesn't have to be internal. What if they support two swappable battery modules so you can do battery hot-swapping.
You're the Jedi master, prophet, benign Q and all that Wendell. This is my next laptop and my new suggestion to everybody that asks!
NICE!
Seems like putting 2 ports on each port module would resolve most of those port issues
Had the same idea. 2x USB-A 3.0 would do it for me. Not sure it it would fit though.
Would you be swayed to the idea of using Mini/Micro iterations of DP and HDMI ports? Not sure if I'd like the extra dongles myself.
@@Trancefreakeh I figured just making the modules slightly larger. If can't make smaller and have just one, make them slightly bigger and have two.
Why not all of the options? That's why these things need to become a standard, it creates a market.
The ENTIRE computer standards system needs to be completely redone from top to bottom anyway. Yes, even that and that, yep those things too. No, we can keep using electricity as the energy source .... for now (that can be revised in the next overhaul, due in 5,976,120 seconds)
E2A: DOH! I did the time wrong, failed to actually notice the unit fields in the calculator and can't find a suitable calculator.
Was aiming for 69 years, 4 months, 2 days, 0 hours represented as seconds. CBA to look longer, will probably already be viewed before then. Drat and Darn!
No, I'm not going to use a normal calculator because to hell with trying to calculate time like that on a calculator (those who know why, know why)!
@@ChrispyNut True enough.
On the topic of calculation. Why? The answer is 42, we've known for some time now.
@@Trancefreakeh heh. I just re-watched that this past weekend (the original TV show, not the crappy movie).
@@ChrispyNut 'fraid I've only red the book. I was unaware there was a movie/show adaptation. recommended?
The Framework Laptops is amazing! This is the future of laptops!
Late to the fiesta, Wendel, but I was really hoping that you'd get yer hands on this and do a review. Alas! Here it is. I always welcome your take on stuff like this. Thanks!
Yeah dude, been waiting to see you get one of these to take apart.
Kudos for buying the unit. I really really hope they make it. Their ethos is good.
Wendall, you should talk to their team, and get them to send you their next model. I'm pretty sure they're working on a touchscreen version as well as AMD version of their motherboard, which they should be selling separately for people to swap into their current Intel model.
Ordered mine in the UK a couple of weeks ago. Should arrive for me to build in a few weeks.
This laptop is brilliant!
I'm so happy that companies who actually care about the environment and their customers actually exist.
If only Apple would lead with products like this, then their environmental ads would actually make sense...
Fantastic content!
lol... who wants a crApple computer? They're a joke
We need Framework with slotable GPU so IT can be upgraded. Then they would have a golden ticket on their hands! Gamers would buy!
I would love it if they did some NexDock kind of stuff. Being able to use the HDMI port as an INPUT would be awesome
an extra hdmi capture module ?
@@jyvben1520 a capture card would write the video signal to a file, I want to plug in a second computer HDMI into the laptop itself and use it as a monitor, natively
Frameworks does a lot well (modular I/O, clear instructions, one type screw of different length, spare screws) but there are two current shortcomings:
1. No schematics for the customer. Yes, repairshops can get those but what if you don't have one nearby or you simply want to repair it yourself? Also, do you really own a product if you don't have the schematics? Decades ago you got schematics for pretty much all electronisch that you bougt.
2. No Ryzen yet in the lineup. It is understandable that a small starting OEM starts with one product segment but it needs to get added.
I'd like to see this approach succeed. Please add the schematics!
These are also just basic bitch laptops. Nothing powerful or fancy. You won't be gaming with it or using it as a workstation.
Hopefully they succeed and have the opportunity to expand their offerings in those directions in the future.
It seems like there is a valid reason for the schematics only being available to repair shops, Lewis Rossman mentioned that it was something he bought up with someone from framework and he sead the reason he was given was valid. It's likely that the manufacturers of the parts have some form of NDA in place.
@@raifsevrence True, but I don't like gaming with a laptop anyway. In my opinion it is a better option to use a desktop for gaming and a laptop only for whatever you need to do when you are not at home. Because of price vs performance, because of the performance and because of ergnomics. That low standing monitor, that touchpad, that compact keybaord, I hate using laptops, but we have to so I have one.
I guess it simply depends on how many units they sell, if enough people buy a Frameworks laptop then they can expand their lineup. As I see it expanding it is not that difficult once you have that 'skeleton' in place.
@@spartan5280 It is not up to us to defend companies, it is up to us to plead for consumer rights! I have seen Louis Rossmann his video, he did not mention WHY Frameworks does not share schematics. I can think of a few reasons but the most logical reason is this: the company which they buy that motherboard with CPU from does not let them. If we - endconsumers - put pressure on Frameworks to share the schematics then Frameworks has a stronger position when it negotiates with that company which makes/ships those motherboards with CPU's.
@@peterjansen4826 I'm only defending Framework... They are probably stuck between a rock and a hard place with this because the companys that make the chips are likely using some copyright, patent, or trade secret law to enforce this. That's one of the big things that will hopefully be helped by RTR. They are not a big enough to be able to convince companies like Intel and TI to be more consumer friendly.
That thumbnail is art
You got yours before me. I thought I would finally beat you at getting something 👀.
to be fair to big OEMs. in my dell xps 9510 I could easily install a 2nd M.2 ssd and upgraded the ram myself for less money. the battery is also replaceable. despite this i like the framwork concept and hoping for a wider modell range
i really like the idea of this laptop, but im looking for the desktop replacement version. very happy to see this business style and hope that they are able to be very productive and popular.
Thank you, this was highly awaited video from Wendell. The Win10 at opening was very close to make me angry, but good troll is a good troll!
@5:15 Thank god the fingerprint reader works with Fedora! With trackpoint I could change from Thinkpad immediadly.
Make it thicker and add 2*port plugs and better cooling solution for high power cpus and it will be perfect.
Being able to thumb my nose at the companies who said it can't be done is worth every cent of the 200 or 300 up front premium for similar specs. Love it and put my $ where my mouth is
Yep, this will be on my list, if I ever buy a Laptop
this type of computers like raspeberry should be a must for the children of any tech entusiast out there, imagine completely contructing your childs first laptop with him, you are not just teaching them a lot of good lessons(like doing stuff yourself, repair yourself and that things do cost work to make them) and probably having a blast with them, but it will also show them that this is how this kind of stuff should be, you dont need to be a "nerd", to use the, and the proof is those expansions out there that you can just order and insert them without ever having to open the laptop, is just there as an option for you or facilitate the reparability of it by a professional
This is really cool. And even if it's upgradeable you'll have to buy it through Framework so they still get to sell parts, just a bit less. If it comes with a thunderbolt port you could use it as your main computer even for gaming.
Pretty sure it uses thunderbolt to connect the modular ports. Not 100% sure but I believe thats why they didnt make an amd model, because they need the bandwidth of TB4 to get a lot of the modular ports to work. It might not use TB for all the ports as regular usb 10gbps should be enough, but for something like hdmi 2.1 you would need something with the bandwidth of thunderbolt
@@BeatsbyVegas I believe it's "uncertified" thunderbolt 4 ports on all 4. I also believe that they are in the process of certification.
@@Jake9066 This. It's Tiger Lake, it has inherent support for Thunderbolt integrated in the processor. Also, they're working on more and better expansion modules (E.g. with 2xUSB-C, Quad-DAC with all those audio nerd ports, etc...)
While I haven't looked too much of the validity of this, from other reviews I've heard that Framework is giving out all of the dimensions for everything and allowing/encouraging others to make their own components as well. Apparently that also includes the motherboard and the slide in ports.
@@kingknapp Yes. They're "open design". They also promised to provide design documentation to repair shops, so they can for instance easily repair the motherboard.
The only reason that I have not put in for a Framework laptop yet is the lack of a graphics card and an 8 core processor. I do A LOT of video editing, gaming, and 3D modeling. All of which benefit from lots of cores and a GPU. I expect that they will remedy this with later updates though, and I cannot wait!
Screw all the other laptop manufacturers, this is the example that they should all be following. Next laptop I get will definitely be a framework, I'll be sure to recommend this to everyone I know that is in need of a laptop.
shame that the original modular phones never took off would have loved them, iv only been hearing good things about this new toy hope i can get my hands on one soon, as my 10y old i5 laptop is maxed out now and am not buying a binner as I call them. thanks for the review man.
With the current and potential rising cost of rare components like lithium for screens and copper for wiring, reuseable/ repairable options like this will be necessary.
What we now need is an AMD based model, official linux support and mat black case.
We need a Framework store in Costa Rica!
I hope they keep going strong because this is the laptop i want for my next laptop, but the one i've got probably has a couple years of service left at least.
I had to drop in and tell you how much I love the thumbnail for this video, lol.
I love my probook 445R G6 but its meh on the battery life because HP gave it a 2.5in bay so they didn't put in a larger battery. while its easy to swap internals I don't want to try and replace a keyboard, trackpad or screen on it.
a zen powered version of this and I'd be really tempted to buy it
Very cool. Was waiting for the Wendell take ... I watched Louis Rossmann's live stream on this, however, once they carry Ryzen processors I'll be all over this puppy.
Same, though I'd go for RiscV too or ARM perhaps
@@DocFr4nk RiscV would certainly be niche that we hacker types would jump all over. The mainstream not so much.
Wish I didn't already have a nice laptop, I would love to buy this to support Framework.
Apparently someone was talking in the Framerate forums about making a new adapter for the ports... the Engineers came it and gave them tips...
WHO DOES THIS THESE DAYS!!?! We must protect them!
Mine is coming in October
I will be getting one of these. Then shortly my mother will get a dozen for her company.
That's the spirit!!! Thank you!
I have an invention that still would crush this.
Instead of the CPU, RAM, GPU being in the "lap" portion ... make those just a thunderbolt display and port replicator with a USB kb connected ACTIVE thunderbolt 3 cable -- which could be networked in homes to even disconnect location-from CPU via Thunderbolt-3 switches. That way all the actual computer 'work, fan' bulk, etc., are independent of the KB, display and ports. Networked throughout your home, it's still just 1 plug in the wall (just like your AC) and as TB3 passes more than enough power for the entire device, as well, is still but 1 cord. You'd have also inadvertently cured all the latency of WiFi even as supposedly faster than 1GbE options emerge ... and could then have 10GbE if not SFP28 or even QSFP+.
As a portable, the "power brick" is the whole computer, modular as it is, but more easily so bc the things that had to be ergonomic are in the actual KB and display -- which are NEVER the source of HEAT, and allow swapping out differing-display sizes as any OTHER TB port would support any display that were compatible with the form-factor. Which are already as "technically challenging" as swapping out USB KBs ... along with connecting every other port via that same TB cable. It's as 'peripheral committed' to the box as your shoes are to your pants.
In fact, water cooling it wouldn't be difficult at that point. And despite everyone's focal-fixation being whether air or water have colder temperatures ... it's NOT the key-benefit of liquid-cooling, verse how QUIET larger, lower-RPM fans are vs those which must be thin & small. Small heatsinks have insufficient mass & fan-diameter to run at low RPM, which is what is actually annoying; not even the dB, but the PITCH. It'd also be quite-easy to then make the interior of the actual computer ("think: power brick") encased in rubberized material making it DURABLE and -- waterproof, with an alarm if the liquid cooler-ever had an issue or cooling weren't adequate ... but of course, instead of laptop components, if home -- you could plug in to desktop class devices ... with the criteria being one based on whether you require completely wireless runtime (on battery) or not.
Please get these available in Australia ASAP
Wow that's really cool! Makes sense to me!
Once they offer Nordic layout for the keys I'm in!
I would like that too but i will be buy one regardless. The keyboard is replacable so i can probably buy keyboard with nordic layout from framework soon.
Or i guess i could make my own keyboard 🤔keyboards are not too hard to make 😛
Well i guess getting switches for laptop keyboard is kinda hard but i think i could do it :)
they're selling clear and all black keyboard versions so if you want to make your own you totally can
@@kolvis6626 sweet!
If I didn't already have a work purchased MacBook, I would totally get this to support what they are doing. I feel like this is the route IBM should have gone with the Thinkpad line instead of selling it off to Lenovo. I really hope this is a success.
imo ideal port setup would have been a fixed usb c on either side for with the 4 modular bays you are going to need one type c for charging anyway. Oh and I will be buying one for school next year if nothing bad happens with them.
i need more powaaa! also cannot wait for the modules to have 2 ports each
I can't wait for them to start selling their stuff in the EU
Not in the market for a new laptop as I've restored my old one. But this has me very interested.
You should consider buying one anyway so this company can grow and you can support the RTR movement.
If they make it so you can replace the trackpad with one with buttons then I'm gonna give it a serious thought because it would be pretty close to my ideal laptop. If they made a thicker version like sager or lenovo does it would be an instant buy. I understand them showing "hey laptops can be thin repairable and customizable" but now that this has been shown and made clear I personally would like a bit bigger one to be sold since I enjoy a laptop with a little more room and some other people do to and it could let them really expand on customization aspect since they'd have more room to mess around.
This is cool , no reason why you cannot build somthing thats thin and modern that is fixable.
Jut look at the pre butterfly macbook air and pro , the pro was thicker and had a glued in battery , air was thinner and used screws , so apple just talk shit.
Well, it's crApple... what do you expect? Honesty and transparency?
here's hoping it's a runaway success story! that's what makes OEMs pay attention.
this laptop just seems like the one too nice to exist but we do need it
i want it to succeed so bad
Now all we need is a modular Surface-style tablet. I haven't needed a laptop for 10 years, but I use my tablet all the time.
They can't start tablets until they grow. Buy a laptop for now and support the company. It won't kill you to go back to a laptop for a while.
I have decided to get one. Suppose to be here next month.
If they made one with an AMD 5000 series mobile CPU and a dedicated AMD 6000 series GPU, I would buy it. Even if it was $1000 more than the equivalent spec'd laptop from HP, Dell, ASUS, etc.
A lot of people complaining about 'no dedicated GPU' and 'no Ryzen CPU options' or 'no ethernet port' Do they not realise this is the first product from a small company?
Exactly. It's good to tell framework if you want ryzen or whatever but don't be too harsh. They will probably make ryzen laptop soon if they get enough orders.
No Ehternet is solved via their own expansion ports. Yes, it's just USB, but you could do much worse. The rest are legitimate complaints but with legitimate answers.
Personally, my sole complaint is no Thunderbolt. It's already there on the CPU, and since I bought into TB3 then it's a must for me.
Yes, it's a first product. It's a good product. That doesn't mean people aren't allowed to say they want something a bit different. If they don't say it, why would the company even consider it? Like... come on, man, think for just a second. Don't just lash out at people.
Finally someone who agrees with me that these replacement io modules are not great in their current form.
It's nice to be able to replace them, however just having 4 ports including the charge port is a major drawback.