@stevekaminski9182 I've heard that as well. I'm hoping they figure it out for the DOHC. Doesn't the pilot now have a DOHC? If so, maybe they can figure it out with that. Either way, I'll wait until 2027 so they can get the first year issues worked out and have time for the SVCM to be developed. Maybe by then Toyota will have pulled their heads out of their asses and see that having a V6 option is what people want.
@rodneywk1 i think we have to wait for a device to be developed for the DOHC engine. I doubt I'll be getting s first year model anyway, so between now and then hopefully something will come to market.
I currently have a 2022 4Runner TRD ORP, great vehicle. Before it I had a 2019 Honda Passport, and it was a surprisingly capable vehicle. I wouldn’t be opposed to having another one. The 4Runner is obviously bulletproof and more capable off-road. But the Passport was capable enough for most situations, and a lot better for long travel.
I got to see both of them today at the Utah International Auto Show. Got to sit inside the Passport while the 4Runner was locked up and could only walk around it. Front and rear ends have many similarities. 4Runner being body on frame will undoubtedly do better on the most challenging terrain while the Passport has better interior room and probably do better than most unibody’s off the beaten path.
$1000 down waiting for the 2025 or 2026 4Runner here in Canada (We're told 9-16 months). Trading in my 21 Limited 4R. I want the tech, I want the upgrades, LOVE the look of the new 4R Platinum. I'll get nearly what I paid for my 21 4R on trade so no loss there. This is a DD, I"m not off-roading in this. I have a 95 Jeep Wrangler for the mountains and I'm not towing anything. I hear all the arguments about the Hybrid Turbo, you're entitled to your opinions, I have a ton of friends who are mechanics and tell me not to sweat the new Hybrid Engines in Toyota's, and I could care less if I get 20 years out of this SUV.
The tow hitch on the 4th gen Tacoma is part of the entire frame, some have reported a minor rear end collision to the hitch has caused frame damage because of this. Wonder if the new gen 4Runner tow hitch is the same, given the similarity of the two vehicles ?
Owned the 2002 boxy Cr-V and took it off road, hauled two Labs, and it was amazing for what it was. I have a Gen 5 4Runner, and LOVE it! But I would seriously consider the Honda. I won’t get the Gen 6. Hope my Gen 5 lasts forever!!
Passport and forerunner are simply not comparable vehicles also to say 317 torque versus 262 torque averages out is not averaged out and also the forerunner has an option for hybrid max which just blows the doors off the passport. Also one is a body on frame vehicle built and made for true outdoors and off roading and camping and towingand rear wheel drive bias with true four-wheel-drive options
I have a 5th Gen 4runner and they really made a mistake with that change to a turbo. They also shrunk the rear cabin size from the 5th Gen so the rear seats have much less room. Overall a downgrade in my opinion.
They did not make a mistake, because people will buy them, it’s just that simple. People hated when they stopped making the 4Runner with a v8 option….now everyone all of a sudden loves the 5th with the simple v6. Lmao! The same will happen here with the 6th gen.
I really feel as though this new 4Runner is a huge let down. Not a fan of the overall design and to me it has a “tinny” look. If I had too choose I’d go Passport or look for a 1-3 year old used 4Runner if it was my daily.
Well, I like both. But what's interesting is that the unibody Passport is gonna get similar fuel mileage to the 4Runner. Typically, a FWD car should be easier on gas. Perhaps a hybrid Passport will be the best choice.
Jason, love your content. I have been seeing news on the Honda 3.5 engines failing and that the issue is under investigation. Waiting for Honda to release a statement on the matter. I personally own a vehicle with the motor so it has peaked my interest. Have you heard anything more on that matter?
priced a base SR5 4x4 no opts is $44220 good buy if the dealer dosnt make them up but one could wait a few yrs ....as for trail hunter / TRD PRO hybrid $68350 add $5000k markup = $80k with taxes for a Toyota
I would love to know where you live and what dealers around you are doing markups out here in Northeast Florida. I haven’t seen markups at all specially since Covid. 2023 got about three grand knocked off of MSRP for my vehicle so I’m not sure what area you’re in. That’s even dare talking about mark ups versus discounts. I’ve never bought a car in any. Day and age with mark ups always have bought discounted from MSRP.
I agree Jason, I don’t think Honda is actually targeting true off road capability. My preference would be Honda between both as of right now. If I wanted a truck to off road I’d get a jeep. Do you think the ridgeline would get a similar change to the passport? I’m holding my money out for that, whatever it is.
Hopefully the 2025 Honda has a better acceleration, suspension and ride quality than the outgoing 2024 models. I drove a couple of the 2024 Pilots last year and was not impressed with them at all. For a vehicle that's built more car like with unibody construction and marketed more towards a family vehicle it did not ride nor handle as well as my 2017 4Runner TRD was (sold & bought a Chevy Silverado LTZ 4X4) and it was a bit sluggish.
Every motor will need a water pump replacement about the same time. And all motors need a timing chain or belt done as well at around the 100k range chain a little longer but they go out too
@@Jason-Samko yeah as long as you keep up with the oil change, a timing chain will last the life of the vehicle. Only a timing belt has a maintenance interval that is listed in the book.
None of the specs matter. Only thing im interested in is much higher msrps. neither one are expensive enough for me yet. 30% msrp price increases over prior gen isnt enough for me. Im only interested in 40% and up msrp price increases going forward.
Neither will be the “perfect” SUV, let’s see when they both can be driven…..I’ve had a couple of 4th gen 4Runner…..but I’m leaning towards the Passport as I’m not a big off roader…had the push button transmission….but, I feel for value, the 4Runners are now overpriced for what you get for the TRD Sport, Off-road trim, and SR5.
V6 passport all the way!
Passport with the N/A V6 all day every day !!!!
If I had to choose now......passport all the way.....as long as you install the VCM defeat.
I'm hearing the s-vcm and others will not work on the new dohc motor , not sure if it's true, but have seen it in a few places.
@stevekaminski9182 I've heard that as well. I'm hoping they figure it out for the DOHC. Doesn't the pilot now have a DOHC? If so, maybe they can figure it out with that. Either way, I'll wait until 2027 so they can get the first year issues worked out and have time for the SVCM to be developed. Maybe by then Toyota will have pulled their heads out of their asses and see that having a V6 option is what people want.
Totally agree!! Is there something you can do while driving to prevent that idiotic thing from happening?
@rodneywk1 i think we have to wait for a device to be developed for the DOHC engine. I doubt I'll be getting s first year model anyway, so between now and then hopefully something will come to market.
I wanna wait on the Ridgeline. And I HOPE it’s good looking and doesn’t have VCM.
Yeah, I don't need that hardcore off road performance... that Trailsport is just dreamy!!! :)
Sure is a beautiful suv
Passport got my vote. V6 --> turbo 4
I currently have a 2022 4Runner TRD ORP, great vehicle. Before it I had a 2019 Honda Passport, and it was a surprisingly capable vehicle. I wouldn’t be opposed to having another one. The 4Runner is obviously bulletproof and more capable off-road. But the Passport was capable enough for most situations, and a lot better for long travel.
Yep two amazing Vehicles right there. And at 2022 4Runner should last plenty of decades
That Passport is a good looking SUV. It’s what a Gr Cherokee used to be, IMO.
Too bad Gr Ch changed so much towards a luxury vehicle.
@@valdius85 agree
I got to see both of them today at the Utah International Auto Show. Got to sit inside the Passport while the 4Runner was locked up and could only walk around it. Front and rear ends have many similarities. 4Runner being body on frame will undoubtedly do better on the most challenging terrain while the Passport has better interior room and probably do better than most unibody’s off the beaten path.
Great info. Thanks. Glad you got to see one in person
$1000 down waiting for the 2025 or 2026 4Runner here in Canada (We're told 9-16 months). Trading in my 21 Limited 4R. I want the tech, I want the upgrades, LOVE the look of the new 4R Platinum. I'll get nearly what I paid for my 21 4R on trade so no loss there. This is a DD, I"m not off-roading in this. I have a 95 Jeep Wrangler for the mountains and I'm not towing anything. I hear all the arguments about the Hybrid Turbo, you're entitled to your opinions, I have a ton of friends who are mechanics and tell me not to sweat the new Hybrid Engines in Toyota's, and I could care less if I get 20 years out of this SUV.
Love it. And congratulations on your new 4 runner when it comes in
The tow hitch on the 4th gen Tacoma is part of the entire frame, some have reported a minor rear end collision to the hitch has caused frame damage because of this. Wonder if the new gen 4Runner tow hitch is the same, given the similarity of the two vehicles ?
@@fredsausage8794 very interesting and appreciate the info I had no idea that a hit to the hitch could been the frame
Owned the 2002 boxy Cr-V and took it off road, hauled two Labs, and it was amazing for what it was. I have a Gen 5 4Runner, and LOVE it! But I would seriously consider the Honda. I won’t get the Gen 6. Hope my Gen 5 lasts forever!!
5th gen will still be running 50 years from now
I want v6 from Honda and body on frame from the 4 runner👍
Passport and forerunner are simply not comparable vehicles also to say 317 torque versus 262 torque averages out is not averaged out and also the forerunner has an option for hybrid max which just blows the doors off the passport. Also one is a body on frame vehicle built and made for true outdoors and off roading and camping and towingand rear wheel drive bias with true four-wheel-drive options
I will wait for the new Nissan XTerra to come out within aa couple of years hopefully and i will seriously consider that over the Honda or Toyota . 😊
The Passport is the better option... easy!
I have a 5th Gen 4runner and they really made a mistake with that change to a turbo. They also shrunk the rear cabin size from the 5th Gen so the rear seats have much less room. Overall a downgrade in my opinion.
I think many feel the same way you do
I love Toyota but they REALLY MADE A HUGE MISTAKE 🙈
They did not make a mistake, because people will buy them, it’s just that simple. People hated when they stopped making the 4Runner with a v8 option….now everyone all of a sudden loves the 5th with the simple v6. Lmao! The same will happen here with the 6th gen.
I really feel as though this new 4Runner is a huge let down.
Not a fan of the overall design and to me it has a “tinny” look.
If I had too choose I’d go Passport or look for a 1-3 year old used 4Runner if it was my daily.
I don't know what it is, but I just love that Passport. It's not something I'd personally ever buy, but I really like it.
@@traebishop3846 agree
What the ground clearance on the passport?
Just a little over 8 inches from what I've heard, but we don't really know until we the production version in person.
8.3 i think. It was in the video
Well, I like both. But what's interesting is that the unibody Passport is gonna get similar fuel mileage to the 4Runner. Typically, a FWD car should be easier on gas. Perhaps a hybrid Passport will be the best choice.
Jason, love your content. I have been seeing news on the Honda 3.5 engines failing and that the issue is under investigation. Waiting for Honda to release a statement on the matter. I personally own a vehicle with the motor so it has peaked my interest. Have you heard anything more on that matter?
Heard about the investigation but thought it was for 202 and older. Have not heard much about problems with the current ones
priced a base SR5 4x4 no opts is $44220 good buy if the dealer dosnt make them up but one could wait a few yrs ....as for trail hunter / TRD PRO hybrid $68350 add $5000k markup = $80k with taxes for a Toyota
Great points
I would love to know where you live and what dealers around you are doing markups out here in Northeast Florida. I haven’t seen markups at all specially since Covid. 2023 got about three grand knocked off of MSRP for my vehicle so I’m not sure what area you’re in. That’s even dare talking about mark ups versus discounts. I’ve never bought a car in any. Day and age with mark ups always have bought discounted from MSRP.
@@ArtieMcYardie im in southern California but northern California as bad in markups
@ get out while you can come over to Florida. We need more melting pot here and more restaurants. Let’s go!!!
I agree Jason, I don’t think Honda is actually targeting true off road capability.
My preference would be Honda between both as of right now. If I wanted a truck to off road I’d get a jeep.
Do you think the ridgeline would get a similar change to the passport? I’m holding my money out for that, whatever it is.
Great question about the new Ridgeline! I sure hope it does. The passport is a great update
@ I hope it does too. If it came with a lift with some more ground clearance, I think a lot of folks would be happy.
I’d like to see real cargo comparison.
The CAD calculated volume under the cargo devider doesn’t translate well to real life practicality.
@@valdius85 agree
Hopefully the 2025 Honda has a better acceleration, suspension and ride quality than the outgoing 2024 models. I drove a couple of the 2024 Pilots last year and was not impressed with them at all. For a vehicle that's built more car like with unibody construction and marketed more towards a family vehicle it did not ride nor handle as well as my 2017 4Runner TRD was (sold & bought a Chevy Silverado LTZ 4X4) and it was a bit sluggish.
Man im so disappointed with Toyota not giving a choice of a V6. 🤦♂️
Hands down I’ll take that Honda over the Toyota. Gone are the days of reliable Toyotas and not to mention way over priced for what it is.
I think people are forgetting that the V6 has a timing belt which has to be replaced along with its water pump which is about 1300 bucks
Every motor will need a water pump replacement about the same time. And all motors need a timing chain or belt done as well at around the 100k range chain a little longer but they go out too
@@Jason-Samko yeah as long as you keep up with the oil change, a timing chain will last the life of the vehicle. Only a timing belt has a maintenance interval
that is listed in the book.
@ true but look how many vehicles need timing chains replaced today. it may not be a maintance item. but its a common issue as vehicles age.
@ yes, honestly it’s probably because of the extended 10,000 mile oil changes which has caused that to happen
@DavidRC-m9w true
None of the specs matter. Only thing im interested in is much higher msrps. neither one are expensive enough for me yet. 30% msrp price increases over prior gen isnt enough for me. Im only interested in 40% and up msrp price increases going forward.
its nice honda in there
seems all round got best both world
I buy a Jeep Wrangler
Neither will be the “perfect” SUV, let’s see when they both can be driven…..I’ve had a couple of 4th gen 4Runner…..but I’m leaning towards the Passport as I’m not a big off roader…had the push button transmission….but, I feel for value, the 4Runners are now overpriced for what you get for the TRD Sport, Off-road trim, and SR5.
Well said
Passport for sure no turbo hybrid and it's a v6
Passport is a station wagon with a lame transmission if you actually want to off road.