The Pajero is the biggest star of this competition, im my opinion. Despite of having the weakest engine and complete stock suspension and wheels, it handles very well off road.
Nissan after merging with Renault, has deteriorated the toughness, rigidity & quality. The only Nissan's models worth appreciation are those designed before this merger.
The moment you said the pajero and 4Runner had to rerun the first test after it became more difficult thanks to the pathfinder, I knew this video is quality
Imagine if they used the Mitsubishi Pajero 3.2 diesel engine in this test, it would be a lot more easier for the car to overcome the challenges because of its higher torque. But the 3.0 really did very well
The Pajero had the weakest motor and basically all stock from suspension to tires and it did absolutely awesome. If the Pajero had suspension upgrades and better off-road tires, this would have been a near blowout comparison. The uphill test showed more of the weakness of the motor not having enough power to make that climb at a further distance.
This is perhaps the only channel of its kind which does these comparisons so professionally and so fairly. I love the commentary. The commentator is always to the point and comprehensive.
WOW Great test! my favorite of all was the Mitsubishi Pajero, what an SUV, it has the smallest engine of all, and could pass all obstacles except for the sand dune, which needed help from Toyota. I was shocked to see the Nissan failing most of the obstacles, being one with the biggest engine... disappointing. I will love my Pajero even more now!
Great test. The lack of performance of the Nissan was surprising. The 4Runner shouldn't have been in the competition due to the updated suspension and tire size, but at least you pointed it out so we all know. Thanks for the great video.
Nissan was cheap russian market model without rear diff lock. It's standard equipment in my country. Jeep driver stopped throttling too early. quadra trac needs sustained throttle to direct torque where it's needed.
not really all that surprising to be honest, Nissan's strategy with the pathfinder changed with that model choosing to make it a more "practical" and road worthy car, while they focused on offroading with the Xterra (same platform, engine, and transmission)
Good idea to have the leaders complete the obstacles again once things have gotten torn up. Those 4th gen 4Runners were built like tanks. Great value for the money. I think it's safe to assume the Jeep would performed better than it did had it had equivalent upgrades.
Yea but the Pajero outperformed the Jeep stock for stock. Interestingly some people I know who do upgrades do it as a hobby (off-roading club) whereas those I see going off-road due to work have the vehicles stock, only tires are changed. So I would love to see a stock 4Runner on similar tires do the course.
@@rameezahmed3637 Yes that's correct - I'm always baffled at how people seem to be on and off the power. With these Jeeps there's two systems they can have according to what level of options they're built with. The basic system uses the ABS system to cause same / similar effect as a mechanical Limited Slip Differential - ie. the wheel that tries to spin is clamped by its brake which forces drive to go to the other wheel. The differential itself is standard "open" design tho - so with that sytem you definitely need to MAKE it spin to then have it engage and do what you want. The higher level of drive system is the ELSD - Electronic Limited Slip Differential - which has a computer modulated hydraulic actuating Limited Slip Differential (I dont know if the brake lock system also functions with that system or is replaced totally). That ELSD is supposed to make spinning wheels un necessary as the drive SHOULD be proportioned effortlessly. The video says that Jeep has ELSD - but the way its behaving doesn't look like that's working at all.
The whole car is a piece of junk, is all Renault, no spirit at all. In the past I had one Pathfinder 2008 diesel 2.5 and other 2006 gas 4.0, both crap, just a cheap built suv, everything on those cars fall in pieces, in my family we use pathfinders since the first gen, but that model of the video is where this iconic SUV died. Now we got 4Runners, not even a point to compare
I completely agree. Nissan's 4wd is tuned very differently than Toyota's. For Nissan's to get over diagonals, very light throttle is required. The driver in the video was full sending it, which is the exact opposite of what you're supposed to do 🙄
I’m shocked on the pathfinder . The downside with the test the more vehicles the more damage to the course , it may have been my choice next as I think it has more room inside , tho I could be wrong , I do prefer the gas engines I feel they are more reliable , easier to fix but in the UK we are 95% diesel
The Pajero performance is impressive since it's the 3.0l gaosline is weakest engine you could get (vs a 3.8l gasoline or 3.2 diesel engine). Another proof that the driver can make all the difference.
Liked the video even without watching. Not only the best SUV channel across the YT, but one of the most reliable and fair comparisions overall. And the funniest part is that we had to wait all these years for some guys from Kazakhstan to get the job done. Shame on you EU and USA, good job Diyas, thank you for your work and greetings from Poland
Best suv channel, huh? If You're from Poland then You should know Terenwizja. Of course it's very different to SUV battle as they often showcase modified machines, talk with their owners and they also do show what those cars are capable of.
@@Kierdziol Terenwizja isn't about methodical testing of SUVs. TBH there're barely any SUV whatsoever, because as you mentioned they're mostly about heavily modified cars or new, but pretty cheap ones. Diyas is testing modern, often very luxury and expensive cars that are not even distributed in Poland (e. g. supercharded Range Rovers and so on) which itself stands out from the rest. What's more he's combining pretty consistent conditions with decent knowlage about terrain systems which make overall content pretty valuable. That said from the consumer point of view I think it's better than Terenwizja which nowadays is more about random stuff than some quality reviews.
Mitsubishi, rust in 2 years Toyota, didn't need a lift and will last 500,000 miles, Nissan pathfinder a total disappointment, Jeep check engine light will always be on to remind you the engine is still there.
Really glad I didn't bought a Pathfinder. I love the look of that car and some years ago I had to choose between Pajero and Pathfinder. I'm happy I went with Pajero, as it is such a great car. It's true, in off road, a lot of times it has one wheel up in the air, but it's so fun to drive it like this. It just goes further even with only 2 or 3 wheels touching the ground. You did a good review, I appreciated all the professional comments and explanations and also the fact that you tried to be as fair as possible. At the first obstacle, after the Nissan did those holes, I was thinking it is not fair for Jeep, but then you decided to make Pajero and Toyota go again on that obstacle. Excellent decision, this is the kind of comparison we want to see, not some unprofessional guys comparing good off roaders but with street tires with street SUVs and saying that they are the same.
I have a 2011 Nissan Pathfinder with 215k miles. Once a month I drive her 2200 miles round trip plus drive her daily. I learned with this video I should keep her on the pavement. :) She is still my baby and I would drive across the country with her tomorrow.
Well, as I suspected, Pajero is the king of mountains and deserts. Like back in 90's. I was really surprised by 4Runner performance, until I remembered that it has updated suspension. I really wanna see the fight Pajero VS 4Runner at stock condition now :D
Excellent test, maximum professionaly, you guys tried every line and every speed approach. In the end I hope you didn't damage the cars. Thank you for this breathtaking rodeo.
The Cherokee seems to have completely worn out dampers! Pajero is the clear winner to me. Toyota has been slightly tuned and because of that, not compareable.
You showed it in the vid! Tyres and shocks. Both make a hughe difference! One of the most effective things for good traction are the shocks despite from the rubber. A good example is the Cherokee driving the sand hill! You can clearly see the wheels bouncing up and down like crazy. There is absolutely no rebound damping and as a result no tracktion. Thats why he got stuck.
Stock 4runner would still beat the competition. Its has considerably more suspension travel than the other competitors. The 4runner has a solid rear axle. If u watch closely u will see the articulation difference between a solid rear axle and independent rear suspension. The jeep also has a solid axle but it is still lacking.
@@goodybrown5175 Maybe ! Btw I know the difference between axle systems quite well ;-) The new Landrover Defender has independent axels as well and performs brilliant like a VW Tuareg.... But I agree with u, a solid axel is offroad much more capable then the trendy single axle systems.
@@marcboriss187 The new landrover defender ain't bad for having fully independent suspension but it will always lift wheels. Raising the suspension all the way using the air suspension (if the model is equipped with it) will increase ride height and ground clearance but it will also stiffen the suspension and limit/completely kill the little articulation it had to begin with. Most people don't seem to realize that but I assume you know because u seem knowledgeable.
As a Nissan fanboy who has owned a R50 and JR50, I was very disappointed by the Pathfinder. I think the Xterra Pro 4X would’ve been a better contender but the black Pathfinder helped redeem the Nissan name. The Toyota and Mitsubishi were very impressive
Finally a good test. Same tires. Drivers are not afraid to to push the vehicles a bit. Kept the “playing field “ as fair as possible. Also good commentary on what settings and aides (if any) are being used.
The long climb obstacle was great! Would’ve been better if there were some indicators on the way, so we could understand where the cars have reached. Great comparison video!
Very nice of you to have the 4R and Pj do it again. My money is on the 4R all the way for all obstacles. And I'm writing this at the start of the video so let's see how it works out :-)
Great video! I have a Pajero 3.5l and it performs great on off-road. It's amazing seeing the 3.0l doing great, I would like to see the 3.8 on that sandy hill climb.
I own a pajero 2014 with 3'8 engine when I drive on sandy hills, the traction control interference reduces engine power deliver on wheels. I am planning to install traction switcher so I could turn it off completely.
Great video. The testings on different path with more standard tires make this comparison more interesting and meaningful than many other tests. Hope to see more with other vehicles in the future.
You bring technical details into the the equation, fairness to your test, and have comparable results. great test, great video, and thank you for all of thoses details.
Mostly impressed by the Montero and believe it should have been awarded 1st place, as the 4runner had an advantage with suspension mods. I have a 4th gen 4runner myself, we have a buddy with a Pathfinder and it always does well, in fact there hasnt been a time or place the Pathfinder couldnt go or keep up with us, so thats strange to me. Got 2 buddies with Jeeps and they always perform well, as expected... Maybe they should have switched drivers on all vehicles?
A bit of it has to do with the driver. I had a '99 pathfinder stock with good tires. And that thing went absolutely anywhere and everywhere. No locking diff either.
Perhaps one of the best videos of its type on youtube. Kudos to the producer for arranging same set of tyres for all vehicles. The best performance was by 4runner, quite expected given its suspension articulation which assists the TC a lot. The star of the show however is Pajero, which despite having independent suspension and thus limited suspension articulation, managed to go toe to toe with 4runner in the first 2 tests. High speed on road behaviour of pajero is much better than 4runner. Alas that this iconic "that started this all" is no longer in production. RIP legend.
Nice collection of affordable 4WD IFS vehicles that most folks actually use daily. I almost purchased a Pajero with the Super Select 4WD years ago. It is good to see that it lives up to its Dakar winnings. Can't wait for the next set of videos on the FJ Cruiser, LX470, and what looks like a 2013-2015 LX570. If that is a 2000-2007 LX470, then you got 3 different versions of Toyota's ATRAC there. The up hill S turn shows how effective traction control can be in place of a front locker. A front locker would be nice but your steering would be affected during the turn. One odd thing I noticed in Toyota's ATRAC system when I wheel is that it is more effective when the front wheels are straight vs when it is turned. Maybe the ATRAC software is tuned to reduce braking power or the speed the brakes clamp down when the front wheels are turned in order to prevent breaking the CV axles? The Pajero's traction control looks very effective, even more so than ATRAC II+ that is in the 4th gen 4Runner. I wonder if it brakes at the same speed as "Rock" mode in a modern Toyota's multi-terrain select? More power is needed on the sandy uphill climb. The 4th gen 4Runner can be optioned with a 4.7 V8 (235hp from 2003-2004, and 260hp+ from 2005-2009) which would be helpful in the long sand dune uphill obstacle. Same with that generation of Pathfinder, it also can be optioned with a 5.6 V8. Pretty certain that the Jeep Grand Cherokee can also be optioned with either a 4.7 V8 or 5.7 V8. Sadly no V8 for the Pajero.
No V8 in the pajero , but they could of chose the 3.5l V6 or 3.8 l V6 which have a lot more power than the 3.0l or even the 3.2l diesel would of been better
My 2005 4Runner would make quick work of these bullshit "obstacles" and these "drivers" suck. They apply power in the WRONG way and the wrong time(s.) My Dual overhead can 4.7L V8 and 3" lift, and 30 years of living and driving in Montana makes this look pathetic.
I have a 2008 jeep grand cherokee 3.0L diesel with quadra-drive II. I can assure you mine would do better than the one in this test. It should have eaten that sand hill. I have a hunch that the traction control was off, but not the stability control. This would mean there is still intervention in the system. Also, the jeep and the pathfinder are almost tie for the heaviest vehicle in the test. The jeep has much more weight in the front end being it is a diesel. The 3.0L Mercedes V6 diesel in the jeep is equal in weight to the larger 5.7L Hemi V8 that is also optional. At the end of the day, there are many unseen variables in a test like this.
Yea, the jeep was not working its potential, up the sand I see the front wheels being steered left then right, this would scrub off traction big time. Something not right with those tests, the traction was not dialed in anywhere.
Man, you can easily remove the front lower facia on the Jeep. I think it’s four or five plastic tabs that screw off by hand. That would have made a big difference! Would love a retry with my Grand Cherokee lol😂. Love the video!
The 4runner demonstrates how suspensión modifications can boost wheel travel. But overall the 4runner was quite impressive. I'll love to see how an older Pajero does, I believe it had unfair advantage because its technology is the most recent when compared to the others. I'm surprised at the Pathfinder, maybe next time use the Xterra instead? Lovely video as always, I'm noe looking into getting a Jeep Cherokee as well, I've been toying with the idea of getting a 2008 Xterra for offroading.
That is not the only reason. The 4runner has a solid rear axle. Look closely and u will see the articulation difference between independent rear suspension and a solid rear axle. The jeep has a solid axle also but it just doesn't compare to the 4runner.
@@goodybrown5175 Bigger tires give a massive advantage, that's why the 4Runner shined here (alongside good traction control of course). Wheel travel is very useful, but if you have a very good 4WD system, it is going to replace a lot of what suspension used to do traditionally. Actually independent suspension also has one advantage on rutted roads; the wheels can still travel down at the moment when the diff bottoms out.
@@wopmf4345FxFDxdGaa20 U might have a point but the more wheels that u can keep in contact with the ground the better. That is the major advantage of a solid axle. One wheel is forced up into the wheel well while the other is forced down to stay in contact with the ground. I understand everything you are saying but the experience Is so much different from inside the vehicle. Have u ever seen a fully independent off-roader doing extreme offroading? It always looks like it is about to flip because 2 wheels are completely in the air. With at least one solid axle u have a better chance of keeping wheels on the ground.
Awesome video, would love to see the 4th gen 4runner in more tests. Perhaps a more stock example going up against a Nissan Xterra, they are more geared toward offroad than the pathfinder!
Good stuff. Some of them don't seem to understand their engine's power band (curve). They need to get the RPMs high enough so the engine can produce enough power. Unless they have an especially capable vehicle with a very high crawl ratio they're going to need to get the RPMs high enough to produce the torque needed for the obstacle.
Jeep has really cool transmission. Jeep's owner just need to change fluid in axels, change fluid in transfer case and change springs & shoks. Additionally make check all solenoids in diffs.
Love this new course! Awesome battle. I have to admit I drive one of the newer Titans, but it’s good to see these models that are infinitely more common off-road.
@@SUVBattle Thanks a lot for your hard work Diyas. You have some of the best 4x4 videos out there. Very interested to see how the Touareg does as I have the same model (2011, with center and rear locker)
2012 Nissan Pathfinder was the last good Nissan, Body on frame unlike its successors, powerful and bulletproof 4.0L engine with 5.6 V8 option, and a solid 5 speed shift able automatic transmission that eats all the abuse I throw at it. Mine's at 165k miles no major issues
The torque to the wheel is what matter more climbing, so The motor, transmission and axle gearing sum up make the advantage. Would be great to include these numbers in your comparison. Great video, Thanks.
About 90% of SUV owners do NOT use it in these off road conditions. Other factors come in to play, such as storage capacity, fuel consumption, reliability, and price. I bought a 2005 Nissan Pathfinder, which was about 50% of the price of a same year Toyota 4Runner. The only problem with the Nissan Pathfinder was the radiator/ transmission defect caused by a transmission fluid line leak within the radiator. A transmission fluid line bypass or replacement of the original radiator solves this problem of 2005 to 2012 Nissan Pathfinders.
2003-2008 Toyota 4runnners and Prado j120 share 99% of the frames(chassis).. Wheelbases are identical and they are all built on the same assembly line. The same vehicle with different bodies.
My guess on the pathfinder is the speed sensors arent working for limited slip one bad thing about pathfinder is they have too many computers lol. I like my Jeep wj off road small lighter etc but the pathfinder does have way more power she gets up and goes
I have owned a '93, '00 and '11 Pathfinder, the '11 definitely had the most balls and is the best off-road. The one in this video has a broken/disabled traction control system because the stuck wheels never spin. ABLS is strong enough to climb over rocks: th-cam.com/video/Gtg_Oq1uzts/w-d-xo.html
this vdo is very useful for me i learned alot now ..that i need to buy nissan pathfinder to dug holes in my backyard..thanks to this Chanel to transfer this useful information. i never knew that pathfinder is that much gud at digging holes.
Really glad i gor to see this specific type of video i was in the market for a good 4x4 and i believe ive figured out which one i want niw. Thanks for the viseo and have a great day and weekend everyone
I really enjoy your videos. Thank you for trying to make it as fair as possible and pointing out differences when present. Any way you can include the Ram TRX in a video? Looking forward to the next awesome battle.
Looks like all these are privately owned vehicles. So someone has to tony up the money to buy import a Ram TRX and potentially beat it up. Pretty sure the TRX would dominate even with stock 35" tires except on the tight narrow trails.
Proves (only) that a proper (maintained, upgraded) suspension matters. The upgrades on the 4Runner was half of it's performance. So was the wornout shocks (look at the stuggering when going uphill on the sand) on the Grand Cherokee.
Having the same tire pressure on all vehicles is wrong. Different vehicles have different weight, so even though the tire size might be the same, you should use the manufacturer recommended tire pressure.
Weak test with different routes/drivers and gearbox selection all over the place . I own a 20 TRD 4Runner and an R51 pathfinder. Living at 7k feet out west, snow on the ground 5-6 months out of the year and taking it many places that require low range 4wd to even think about going, the Pathfinder has my confidence. Raptors, Jeep’s, and many Toyota’s have been helped by the pathfinder.
I enjoyed every minute of this one. I am a Toyota guy, but I think that 4Runner was not playing in the same league as the others since it had tires and suspension advantages. Also, I felt very anxious every time it was the Nissans turn😅
I love your channel but if you have a chance, I would like to see how Toyota Sequoia second generation will perform. Thanks again, and keep up with these amazing videos.
2nd gen sequoia (5.7l v8) would perform similar to the Pajero but with considerably more power. Unlike the 4runner, the 2nd gen sequoia has independent rear suspension so it will not have the articulation like the 4runner which has a solid rear axle.
Recently sold a 2015 pajero diesel it’s a great car it handles amazing on road and is great off-road I miss it but the new 2022 Toyota prado is good with all the new tech.
4runner upgraded suspension made it so much better than rest. Montero did amazing, wonder if trying the hill in high range would allow it to gain more speed at the begining to survive the middle of the hill which was the hardest apparently. Jeep suspension looked sagging and worned out. Pathfinder no comments. Overall really impressed by Montero.
Stock 4runner would still outclass them all. It has a solid rear axle that actually flexes, unlike the jeep's solid axle that seems lazy..lol. Pay close attention and u will see the articulation difference between independent rear suspension vs a solid rear axle.
Even with the lift the Toyota surprised me the most. My judgement was based on how I've seen the 200 series LC against other vehicles on this channel. I expected so much more from the jeep sure it's ground clearance isn't the best but one thing this channel has taught me is a fancy traction control system makes up for the difference or at least it can, even when tire are less then ideal.
Quality brake pads with good initial bite are important on getting the most out of an off-road traction control system. If the pathfinder had better brake pads and the driver maintained a steady throttle the traction control would of been able to keep the car moving. I have an 06 just like that and my wheels never spin that much when lifted. Nissans ABLS system is great when used properly.
The rear independent suspension shows where it lacks off road capability on heavy crawling terrain, might need a rear locker and the problem is mostly solved IMO (also the heaviest vehicle out of all 4). But on the loose sand sections it showed what that suspension could do. Great to do overland in the desert and the beach. You are 300% correct about the brake pads, I was thinking the same!
I have an 06 diesel Pathfinder and with traction control on it's very capable of controlling spinning wheels. I was surprised this one struggled so much on the first obstacle
Having a Jeep with the same quadradrive 2 system I have to wonder if that Grand Cherokee has missed a few of its maintenance for the diffs. That there was weak. Mine don’t slip half a turn before the wheels lock up.
The problem I think was the shock absorbers, these were badly damaged and that would have affected grip too. Because if something is good from the Cherokee is the traction control, it works almost like a diff lock.
@@ferriolimaximus I think we both are right. The first obstacle shows the wheels spinning like open diffs. Hence lsd not working. Last obstacle (sand climb) shows it bouncing a lot side to side - shot dampers. The lsd on the qd2 system locks the wheels, not just limits the slip.
100% that Quadradrive II isn’t working properly. A perfect working Quadradrive II is the closest a vehicle will get to being twin locked, it would be the most capable there if maintained properly.
You couldn't get the Pajero with the 3.8l, or even 3.5l to make things a little more even in terms of engine output..? Luckily, its 4wd system is literally one of the best ever developed since it had to make up for the lack of power.
The Pajero is the biggest star of this competition, im my opinion. Despite of having the weakest engine and complete stock suspension and wheels, it handles very well off road.
Mitsubishi's Super All Wheel Control is one of the best also their Super Select 2 4WD System
Totally agree
Mitsubishi have a great history of 4x4 cars. I love them)
Well, Mitsubishi won a lot of Paris/Dakar so they know what they're doing
Would like to see the 3.8L Pajero in the competition.
Nissan definitely completely honest with it's naming, you can only continue by Finding another Path
🤣🤣🤣🤣how true
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Yoooooooooooooooo! I love this comment!
Nissan after merging with Renault, has deteriorated the toughness, rigidity & quality. The only Nissan's models worth appreciation are those designed before this merger.
The moment you said the pajero and 4Runner had to rerun the first test after it became more difficult thanks to the pathfinder, I knew this video is quality
Exactly
I'd rather seen a 04 r50 pathfinders in here. Vq 3.5 is butter smooth. It's a totally diff vehicle and would have diff results.
The first pathfinder has issues, doesnt mean every single pathfinder is bad infact it is the God of this test.
Yep
Yeah but then they should have sent the Pathfinder up last for the rest of the tests.
Imagine if they used the Mitsubishi Pajero 3.2 diesel engine in this test, it would be a lot more easier for the car to overcome the challenges because of its higher torque. But the 3.0 really did very well
imagine if it was the pajero evolution 😍
Agreed, the 3.2 diesel is a very good strong performer and also far more economical than the 3.8 petrol.
The torque would count against it on the long sand run at the end. Petrol tends to do way better in those type of obstacles.
in my country we have a 3.8 mivec option for pajeros
“More easier” is terrible English. But, what do I know? I’m Mexican.
The Pajero had the weakest motor and basically all stock from suspension to tires and it did absolutely awesome. If the Pajero had suspension upgrades and better off-road tires, this would have been a near blowout comparison.
The uphill test showed more of the weakness of the motor not having enough power to make that climb at a further distance.
i have the 3.8 version of the mitsubishi pajero it sounds amazing even with the stock exhaust
You missed the part where they all are running the same tires?
I want a Pajero😊
@@player-gs8deI have that too
@@player-gs8deI also have it with bf Goodrich tires
This is perhaps the only channel of its kind which does these comparisons so professionally and so fairly. I love the commentary. The commentator is always to the point and comprehensive.
Exactly
I agree
That Pajero even with the weakest engine still outshines others
Dakar rally off-road champion
But it has a good 4x4 and traction systems.
Love Mitsubishi
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Yes
My 4th generation 4runner V6 has never disappointed me in any trip across the country.
i have the 3.8 Pajero but yeah the 4runners are very nice too :)
Any car can get you around the country
If they don't break 😂😂😂😂. Try that in a land rover without any break @@jonc2914
so impressed that you made the first cars redo the test after the track got torn up.
WOW Great test! my favorite of all was the Mitsubishi Pajero, what an SUV, it has the smallest engine of all, and could pass all obstacles except for the sand dune, which needed help from Toyota. I was shocked to see the Nissan failing most of the obstacles, being one with the biggest engine... disappointing. I will love my Pajero even more now!
I rarely ever see a mitz.on the road.??,
Right said, pajero deserves the win. But was an awesome test to know how they all perform.
cus the company kinda fucked up@@vincesmith764
A smaller engine is what I would consider the kink in its armor though.. Smaller engine would wear out and age faster and might end up as a money pit.
there's the 3.8 version and its amazing@@gulammohiddin5747
Great test. The lack of performance of the Nissan was surprising. The 4Runner shouldn't have been in the competition due to the updated suspension and tire size, but at least you pointed it out so we all know. Thanks for the great video.
Yup it's obviously lifted
Nissan was cheap russian market model without rear diff lock. It's standard equipment in my country. Jeep driver stopped throttling too early. quadra trac needs sustained throttle to direct torque where it's needed.
not really all that surprising to be honest, Nissan's strategy with the pathfinder changed with that model choosing to make it a more "practical" and road worthy car, while they focused on offroading with the Xterra (same platform, engine, and transmission)
@@maxima3l which country that sold Pathfinder R51 with rear lock?
@@abdulali7425 in Spain, where it was built, came with electronic differential in front and rear
Good idea to have the leaders complete the obstacles again once things have gotten torn up. Those 4th gen 4Runners were built like tanks. Great value for the money. I think it's safe to assume the Jeep would performed better than it did had it had equivalent upgrades.
Yea but the Pajero outperformed the Jeep stock for stock.
Interestingly some people I know who do upgrades do it as a hobby (off-roading club) whereas those I see going off-road due to work have the vehicles stock, only tires are changed. So I would love to see a stock 4Runner on similar tires do the course.
@@sizzlacalunji it would've done it the same
I don't think the rear electronic diff on that Jeep was working properly.
@@tailfirst if im correct, some of these 4wd systems need sustained throttle to work prperly
@@rameezahmed3637 Yes that's correct - I'm always baffled at how people seem to be on and off the power. With these Jeeps there's two systems they can have according to what level of options they're built with. The basic system uses the ABS system to cause same / similar effect as a mechanical Limited Slip Differential - ie. the wheel that tries to spin is clamped by its brake which forces drive to go to the other wheel. The differential itself is standard "open" design tho - so with that sytem you definitely need to MAKE it spin to then have it engage and do what you want. The higher level of drive system is the ELSD - Electronic Limited Slip Differential - which has a computer modulated hydraulic actuating Limited Slip Differential (I dont know if the brake lock system also functions with that system or is replaced totally). That ELSD is supposed to make spinning wheels un necessary as the drive SHOULD be proportioned effortlessly. The video says that Jeep has ELSD - but the way its behaving doesn't look like that's working at all.
The Nissan Pathfider r51 Has just one Trouble: The Pilot...
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and maybe the 2.5dci would do a better job
@@mihai.alexandru44 it is not a Power train trouble it is a suspensión travel issue.
Glad i wasn't the only one thinking this
The whole car is a piece of junk, is all Renault, no spirit at all. In the past I had one Pathfinder 2008 diesel 2.5 and other 2006 gas 4.0, both crap, just a cheap built suv, everything on those cars fall in pieces, in my family we use pathfinders since the first gen, but that model of the video is where this iconic SUV died. Now we got 4Runners, not even a point to compare
This makes me love my 2001montero/Pajero even more . fantastic job
I'm absolutely sure that the problem with the Pathfinder was the driver, not the car itself. Great test video!
I also totally agree with this! Driver literally sucks!
There were 2 different drivers and vehicles and they both struggled
I completely agree. Nissan's 4wd is tuned very differently than Toyota's. For Nissan's to get over diagonals, very light throttle is required. The driver in the video was full sending it, which is the exact opposite of what you're supposed to do 🙄
I’m shocked on the pathfinder . The downside with the test the more vehicles the more damage to the course , it may have been my choice next as I think it has more room inside , tho I could be wrong , I do prefer the gas engines I feel they are more reliable , easier to fix but in the UK we are 95% diesel
Same tires on all cars even? Im super impressed just by the test criterias here :D
It was a fantastic situation. Hope I could arrange the same in the future
Did you watch the video...
@@SUVBattle it was good one. I enjoyed you're. Videos
It might be the same brand but there were KO and KO2's. The KO2 is much better offroad
The Toyota's suspension looks modified
The Pajero performance is impressive since it's the 3.0l gaosline is weakest engine you could get (vs a 3.8l gasoline or 3.2 diesel engine). Another proof that the driver can make all the difference.
Liked the video even without watching. Not only the best SUV channel across the YT, but one of the most reliable and fair comparisions overall. And the funniest part is that we had to wait all these years for some guys from Kazakhstan to get the job done. Shame on you EU and USA, good job Diyas, thank you for your work and greetings from Poland
Best suv channel, huh?
If You're from Poland then You should know Terenwizja.
Of course it's very different to SUV battle as they often showcase modified machines, talk with their owners and they also do show what those cars are capable of.
@@Kierdziol Terenwizja isn't about methodical testing of SUVs. TBH there're barely any SUV whatsoever, because as you mentioned they're mostly about heavily modified cars or new, but pretty cheap ones. Diyas is testing modern, often very luxury and expensive cars that are not even distributed in Poland (e. g. supercharded Range Rovers and so on) which itself stands out from the rest. What's more he's combining pretty consistent conditions with decent knowlage about terrain systems which make overall content pretty valuable. That said from the consumer point of view I think it's better than Terenwizja which nowadays is more about random stuff than some quality reviews.
Mitsubishi, rust in 2 years
Toyota, didn't need a lift and will last 500,000 miles, Nissan pathfinder a total disappointment, Jeep check engine light will always be on to remind you the engine is still there.
I enjoy your style of commentary. Very clear, concise and objective observations
Best suv off-road comparison channel on TH-cam hands down, quality stuff keep up the work
Really glad I didn't bought a Pathfinder. I love the look of that car and some years ago I had to choose between Pajero and Pathfinder. I'm happy I went with Pajero, as it is such a great car. It's true, in off road, a lot of times it has one wheel up in the air, but it's so fun to drive it like this. It just goes further even with only 2 or 3 wheels touching the ground.
You did a good review, I appreciated all the professional comments and explanations and also the fact that you tried to be as fair as possible. At the first obstacle, after the Nissan did those holes, I was thinking it is not fair for Jeep, but then you decided to make Pajero and Toyota go again on that obstacle. Excellent decision, this is the kind of comparison we want to see, not some unprofessional guys comparing good off roaders but with street tires with street SUVs and saying that they are the same.
When I saw the second obstacle I was like oh oh, for the Pathfinder. I knew it will struggle. Pajero is impressive indeed.
I have a 2011 Nissan Pathfinder with 215k miles. Once a month I drive her 2200 miles round trip plus drive her daily. I learned with this video I should keep her on the pavement. :) She is still my baby and I would drive across the country with her tomorrow.
Well, as I suspected, Pajero is the king of mountains and deserts. Like back in 90's.
I was really surprised by 4Runner performance, until I remembered that it has updated suspension.
I really wanna see the fight Pajero VS 4Runner at stock condition now :D
Yes, a king stuck in a desert 😄
Excellent test, maximum professionaly, you guys tried every line and every speed approach. In the end I hope you didn't damage the cars. Thank you for this breathtaking rodeo.
Thanx for feedback. Regarding the damages: all Nissan's had scratches on bumpers & rims =(
@@SUVBattle And how have you convinced the owners to suffer this. Just to be part of your video ? Or you compensate them ?
@@constantinnescu1564 Dude that Nissan is probably a 5,000 dollar car 🤣🤣🤣 I’m sure they own all the cars. The channel.
@@alexanderschickling4157 nope. These are privately owned vehicles.
@@SUVBattle what size tires were on the 4runner ? Stock or bigger
The Cherokee seems to have completely worn out dampers!
Pajero is the clear winner to me.
Toyota has been slightly tuned and because of that, not compareable.
Tuned how?
You showed it in the vid! Tyres and shocks.
Both make a hughe difference!
One of the most effective things for good traction are the shocks despite from the rubber.
A good example is the Cherokee driving the sand hill! You can clearly see the wheels bouncing up and down like crazy.
There is absolutely no rebound damping and as a result no tracktion. Thats why he got stuck.
Stock 4runner would still beat the competition. Its has considerably more suspension travel than the other competitors. The 4runner has a solid rear axle. If u watch closely u will see the articulation difference between a solid rear axle and independent rear suspension. The jeep also has a solid axle but it is still lacking.
@@goodybrown5175 Maybe !
Btw I know the difference between axle systems quite well ;-)
The new Landrover Defender has independent axels as well and performs brilliant like a VW Tuareg....
But I agree with u, a solid axel is offroad much more capable then the trendy single axle systems.
@@marcboriss187 The new landrover defender ain't bad for having fully independent suspension but it will always lift wheels. Raising the suspension all the way using the air suspension (if the model is equipped with it) will increase ride height and ground clearance but it will also stiffen the suspension and limit/completely kill the little articulation it had to begin with. Most people don't seem to realize that but I assume you know because u seem knowledgeable.
As a Nissan fanboy who has owned a R50 and JR50, I was very disappointed by the Pathfinder. I think the Xterra Pro 4X would’ve been a better contender but the black Pathfinder helped redeem the Nissan name. The Toyota and Mitsubishi were very impressive
Because Pathfinder is only good when ESP off
Witch was on at all the test except the last one where IT Win
Kinda wished I'd seen this before I bought my 06....but anyway I love the hell out of my Pathfinder
R50 Pathfinders were decent, better than the one here.
Have you offroaded on it? What were your thoughts on it after a year? I'm in the market for one would like an honest opinion@@buckitnuts
Finally a good test. Same tires. Drivers are not afraid to to push the vehicles a bit. Kept the “playing field “ as fair as possible.
Also good commentary on what settings and aides (if any) are being used.
The long climb obstacle was great! Would’ve been better if there were some indicators on the way, so we could understand where the cars have reached.
Great comparison video!
Very nice of you to have the 4R and Pj do it again. My money is on the 4R all the way for all obstacles. And I'm writing this at the start of the video so let's see how it works out :-)
Great video! I have a Pajero 3.5l and it performs great on off-road. It's amazing seeing the 3.0l doing great, I would like to see the 3.8 on that sandy hill climb.
It’s about traction control and not engine size/power.
Yup i too would love to see the 3.8 in the last test. It simply ran out of steam. I have a 2.8 turbo diesel pajero
@@brandongoberdhan6335 yes the 3.8L would eat that obstacle
@@carholic-sz3qv And gear ratios, too!
I own a pajero 2014 with 3'8 engine when I drive on sandy hills, the traction control interference reduces engine power deliver on wheels. I am planning to install traction switcher so I could turn it off completely.
Great video. The testings on different path with more standard tires make this comparison more interesting and meaningful than many other tests. Hope to see more with other vehicles in the future.
You bring technical details into the the equation, fairness to your test, and have comparable results. great test, great video, and thank you for all of thoses details.
Mostly impressed by the Montero and believe it should have been awarded 1st place, as the 4runner had an advantage with suspension mods. I have a 4th gen 4runner myself, we have a buddy with a Pathfinder and it always does well, in fact there hasnt been a time or place the Pathfinder couldnt go or keep up with us, so thats strange to me. Got 2 buddies with Jeeps and they always perform well, as expected... Maybe they should have switched drivers on all vehicles?
A bit of it has to do with the driver. I had a '99 pathfinder stock with good tires. And that thing went absolutely anywhere and everywhere. No locking diff either.
Perhaps one of the best videos of its type on youtube. Kudos to the producer for arranging same set of tyres for all vehicles.
The best performance was by 4runner, quite expected given its suspension articulation which assists the TC a lot.
The star of the show however is Pajero, which despite having independent suspension and thus limited suspension articulation, managed to go toe to toe with 4runner in the first 2 tests. High speed on road behaviour of pajero is much better than 4runner. Alas that this iconic "that started this all" is no longer in production. RIP legend.
You better take a second look. They used 2 different generations of the BFG AT. The KO2 version is much better than the original.
Please do this with 90s SUVs. I'd love to see that
The production value of this video is superb, I enjoyed it a lot.
I just recently purchased a 2004 Pajero with 400k km on the clock, one owner. Im extremely impressed at what it can do.
I love this channel because the tests are to the core of off-road performance. Especially the fact that they avoid momentum to play any role.
4runner and pajero was so awesome in all obstacles test😎
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Nice collection of affordable 4WD IFS vehicles that most folks actually use daily. I almost purchased a Pajero with the Super Select 4WD years ago. It is good to see that it lives up to its Dakar winnings. Can't wait for the next set of videos on the FJ Cruiser, LX470, and what looks like a 2013-2015 LX570. If that is a 2000-2007 LX470, then you got 3 different versions of Toyota's ATRAC there.
The up hill S turn shows how effective traction control can be in place of a front locker. A front locker would be nice but your steering would be affected during the turn. One odd thing I noticed in Toyota's ATRAC system when I wheel is that it is more effective when the front wheels are straight vs when it is turned. Maybe the ATRAC software is tuned to reduce braking power or the speed the brakes clamp down when the front wheels are turned in order to prevent breaking the CV axles? The Pajero's traction control looks very effective, even more so than ATRAC II+ that is in the 4th gen 4Runner. I wonder if it brakes at the same speed as "Rock" mode in a modern Toyota's multi-terrain select?
More power is needed on the sandy uphill climb. The 4th gen 4Runner can be optioned with a 4.7 V8 (235hp from 2003-2004, and 260hp+ from 2005-2009) which would be helpful in the long sand dune uphill obstacle. Same with that generation of Pathfinder, it also can be optioned with a 5.6 V8. Pretty certain that the Jeep Grand Cherokee can also be optioned with either a 4.7 V8 or 5.7 V8. Sadly no V8 for the Pajero.
No V8 in the pajero , but they could of chose the 3.5l V6 or 3.8 l V6 which have a lot more power than the 3.0l or even the 3.2l diesel would of been better
My 2005 4Runner would make quick work of these bullshit "obstacles" and these "drivers" suck. They apply power in the WRONG way and the wrong time(s.)
My Dual overhead can 4.7L V8 and 3" lift, and 30 years of living and driving in Montana makes this look pathetic.
@@lukeventers4755 Yea YOTA"S
but still a good watch . i want to see the next test. mostly Toyota
the pajero 3.8 engine has 270(279?) hp
3.8
I have a 2008 jeep grand cherokee 3.0L diesel with quadra-drive II. I can assure you mine would do better than the one in this test. It should have eaten that sand hill. I have a hunch that the traction control was off, but not the stability control. This would mean there is still intervention in the system. Also, the jeep and the pathfinder are almost tie for the heaviest vehicle in the test. The jeep has much more weight in the front end being it is a diesel. The 3.0L Mercedes V6 diesel in the jeep is equal in weight to the larger 5.7L Hemi V8 that is also optional. At the end of the day, there are many unseen variables in a test like this.
That Jeep is a piece of shit, period
This Jeep would also have Quadra Drive II. I have a 2006 3.0L with QD II
Exactly, they need to turn off the ESP and let the lockers work. With traction button only partially off inhibits its offroad ability so much
Yea, the jeep was not working its potential, up the sand I see the front wheels being steered left then right, this would scrub off traction big time. Something not right with those tests, the traction was not dialed in anywhere.
Man, you can easily remove the front lower facia on the Jeep. I think it’s four or five plastic tabs that screw off by hand. That would have made a big difference! Would love a retry with my Grand Cherokee lol😂. Love the video!
Was expecting a lot more from the Pathfinder, but was quite surprised how smooth the climb was.
Unfortunately the drivers skills are lacking
I absolutely love my 06 Montero/Pajero !! It truly feels like a budget landrover, and is very very capable for being a great family vehicle! 😊
Pajero always doing it's thing.
Would have been nice to see the Pajero with the 3.8 v6 or the 3.2 diesel.
Mitsubishi pajero very surprising results. Would have loved to see the 3.8 lt perform the same test. Fantastic test and terrain. Thank you, team.
The secret to the Nissan is aggressive tires and learn to master the traction control. Very Underrated.
Thats because nissan sucks
I love the Pajero sad to see its production come to an end
Yeah, Mitsui really botched the brand here in the USA, up and down the the line up
The 4runner demonstrates how suspensión modifications can boost wheel travel. But overall the 4runner was quite impressive. I'll love to see how an older Pajero does, I believe it had unfair advantage because its technology is the most recent when compared to the others. I'm surprised at the Pathfinder, maybe next time use the Xterra instead? Lovely video as always, I'm noe looking into getting a Jeep Cherokee as well, I've been toying with the idea of getting a 2008 Xterra for offroading.
I own a 2005 Montero (US market Pajero) with super select 4wd. Acts very similar to the 2020 sport seen here. Although, mines the 3.8 not 3.0 petrol.
@@jprice921 Nice 👌🏿
That is not the only reason. The 4runner has a solid rear axle. Look closely and u will see the articulation difference between independent rear suspension and a solid rear axle. The jeep has a solid axle also but it just doesn't compare to the 4runner.
@@goodybrown5175 Bigger tires give a massive advantage, that's why the 4Runner shined here (alongside good traction control of course). Wheel travel is very useful, but if you have a very good 4WD system, it is going to replace a lot of what suspension used to do traditionally. Actually independent suspension also has one advantage on rutted roads; the wheels can still travel down at the moment when the diff bottoms out.
@@wopmf4345FxFDxdGaa20 U might have a point but the more wheels that u can keep in contact with the ground the better. That is the major advantage of a solid axle. One wheel is forced up into the wheel well while the other is forced down to stay in contact with the ground. I understand everything you are saying but the experience Is so much different from inside the vehicle. Have u ever seen a fully independent off-roader doing extreme offroading? It always looks like it is about to flip because 2 wheels are completely in the air. With at least one solid axle u have a better chance of keeping wheels on the ground.
Awesome video, would love to see the 4th gen 4runner in more tests. Perhaps a more stock example going up against a Nissan Xterra, they are more geared toward offroad than the pathfinder!
The Nissan Pathfinder is a real destroyer ... destroyer of the race track 😄
Best comparison video ever. Thank you for all the work for this amazing video.
Good stuff. Some of them don't seem to understand their engine's power band (curve).
They need to get the RPMs high enough so the engine can produce enough power. Unless they have an especially capable vehicle with a very high crawl ratio they're going to need to get the RPMs high enough to produce the torque needed for the obstacle.
Jeep has really cool transmission. Jeep's owner just need to change fluid in axels, change fluid in transfer case and change springs & shoks. Additionally make check all solenoids in diffs.
And replace the tranny after 70,000 miles
@@stevengonzalez7257 + for 722.6 oil change with filter and magnet cleaning is every 50 000 km.
Love this new course! Awesome battle. I have to admit I drive one of the newer Titans, but it’s good to see these models that are infinitely more common off-road.
Have you seen the battle of pickup trucks? th-cam.com/video/ZphKoR-mjtc/w-d-xo.html
I have the Titan on the same course. Hope you enjoy it.
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I'd love to see 90s/00s 90 series, Terrano 2, Pajero gen 2. All analog.
Great video. Since that Pathfinder is my favorite Nissan, I’m disappointed that the Pathfinder had such a hard time
Me too 💔
Fake off roader.
Don't be disappointed that Pathfinder is not designed for the type of test they should go for 2002 model instead
Love the new track, really showcases how important suspension is or offroading. Can't wait for the next video, when will it drop?
I will try from my best to drop it in couple of weeks. A lot of work should be done for it.
@@SUVBattle Thanks a lot for your hard work Diyas. You have some of the best 4x4 videos out there. Very interested to see how the Touareg does as I have the same model (2011, with center and rear locker)
2012 Nissan Pathfinder was the last good Nissan, Body on frame unlike its successors, powerful and bulletproof 4.0L engine with 5.6 V8 option, and a solid 5 speed shift able automatic transmission that eats all the abuse I throw at it. Mine's at 165k miles no major issues
finally a real off road test not car journalists taking new cars intro forests and driving them on flat ground
The torque to the wheel is what matter more climbing, so The motor, transmission and axle gearing sum up make the advantage. Would be great to include these numbers in your comparison. Great video, Thanks.
Would interesting to see how a diesel Pajero would have faired.
Good point. I have the Pajero with the 3.2 turbo diesel... great performance.
Would have made the hill..
The Pathfinder was clearly made for the dunes, Nissan's target market is clearly the UAE.
Pathfinder has different models. Including 2x4 rwd. Wich I don't understand at all. I have one with rear lock. Much better than the one in this video.
.."The obstacle looks easy"...
Pathfinder: Eh, okay I'll make it difficult..no issue😏
About 90% of SUV owners do NOT use it in these off road conditions. Other factors come in to play, such as storage capacity, fuel consumption, reliability, and price. I bought a 2005 Nissan Pathfinder, which was about 50% of the price of a same year Toyota 4Runner. The only problem with the Nissan Pathfinder was the radiator/ transmission defect caused by a transmission fluid line leak within the radiator. A transmission fluid line bypass or replacement of the original radiator solves this problem of 2005 to 2012 Nissan Pathfinders.
Subscribed instantly after seeing the Mitsubishi and Toyota had to do a rerun from the holes dug by the pathfinder.
Excellent as always. Loved that Pajero. Wish there was a stock Prado J120 or J150 to round of the list.
2003-2008 Toyota 4runnners and Prado j120 share 99% of the frames(chassis).. Wheelbases are identical and they are all built on the same assembly line. The same vehicle with different bodies.
Love my Pajero 2011!!!! greeting from Brazil!!!
Who remembers the 90s when the pathfinder still had balls 😂
I wish instead of testing this Pathfinder that they brought out an Xterra. The Pathfinder does not compare at all to the 4runner, but the Xterra does.
I do I’ve had 2 and they always did good off road
My guess on the pathfinder is the speed sensors arent working for limited slip one bad thing about pathfinder is they have too many computers lol. I like my Jeep wj off road small lighter etc but the pathfinder does have way more power she gets up and goes
I have owned a '93, '00 and '11 Pathfinder, the '11 definitely had the most balls and is the best off-road. The one in this video has a broken/disabled traction control system because the stuck wheels never spin. ABLS is strong enough to climb over rocks: th-cam.com/video/Gtg_Oq1uzts/w-d-xo.html
Thing is embarrassingly neutered now! 😂
this vdo is very useful for me i learned alot now ..that i need to buy nissan pathfinder to dug holes in my backyard..thanks to this Chanel to transfer this useful information. i never knew that pathfinder is that much gud at digging holes.
Really glad i gor to see this specific type of video i was in the market for a good 4x4 and i believe ive figured out which one i want niw. Thanks for the viseo and have a great day and weekend everyone
I really enjoy your videos. Thank you for trying to make it as fair as possible and pointing out differences when present. Any way you can include the Ram TRX in a video? Looking forward to the next awesome battle.
Looks like all these are privately owned vehicles. So someone has to tony up the money to buy import a Ram TRX and potentially beat it up. Pretty sure the TRX would dominate even with stock 35" tires except on the tight narrow trails.
@@runnerxa you don't know anything about off roading don't you?
@@RagingBad sure don't 😜
As always, an amazing production! This channel deserves +1mi subs for sure. Congratulations!
Happy to see the Pathfinder finding its strength on the dunes
Lol.....or hurting its pride more.
Great comparison. Although perhaps not entirely fair. That 4runner susp mod really inclines the balance.
This is THE fairest offroad comparison I've seen. 👏🏽 I like the Yota, but the Mitsubishi is awesome.
Proves (only) that a proper (maintained, upgraded) suspension matters. The upgrades on the 4Runner was half of it's performance. So was the wornout shocks (look at the stuggering when going uphill on the sand) on the Grand Cherokee.
Excelent comparison. An upgraded Jeep Grand cherokee with a lift and bigger tires should do much better
Having the same tire pressure on all vehicles is wrong. Different vehicles have different weight, so even though the tire size might be the same, you should use the manufacturer recommended tire pressure.
Manufacturer recommended on road tire pressure is too high for that kind of driving.
Weak test with different routes/drivers and gearbox selection all over the place . I own a 20 TRD 4Runner and an R51 pathfinder. Living at 7k feet out west, snow on the ground 5-6 months out of the year and taking it many places that require low range 4wd to even think about going, the Pathfinder has my confidence. Raptors, Jeep’s, and many Toyota’s have been helped by the pathfinder.
I enjoyed every minute of this one. I am a Toyota guy, but I think that 4Runner was not playing in the same league as the others since it had tires and suspension advantages.
Also, I felt very anxious every time it was the Nissans turn😅
I love your channel but if you have a chance, I would like to see how Toyota Sequoia second generation will perform.
Thanks again, and keep up with these amazing videos.
2nd gen sequoia (5.7l v8) would perform similar to the Pajero but with considerably more power. Unlike the 4runner, the 2nd gen sequoia has independent rear suspension so it will not have the articulation like the 4runner which has a solid rear axle.
God damn Nissan bloody ruining all the obstacles for everybody.. I'm deeply in love with that 4Runner though
Recently sold a 2015 pajero diesel it’s a great car it handles amazing on road and is great off-road I miss it but the new 2022 Toyota prado is good with all the new tech.
What a beautiful river
Good video man 💪💪💪💪
4runner upgraded suspension made it so much better than rest. Montero did amazing, wonder if trying the hill in high range would allow it to gain more speed at the begining to survive the middle of the hill which was the hardest apparently. Jeep suspension looked sagging and worned out. Pathfinder no comments. Overall really impressed by Montero.
Stock 4runner would still outclass them all. It has a solid rear axle that actually flexes, unlike the jeep's solid axle that seems lazy..lol. Pay close attention and u will see the articulation difference between independent rear suspension vs a solid rear axle.
@@goodybrown5175 are you going to deny Montero did great having independent suspension all they way around?
@@josem6929 Where am I denying the Montero did great. The Toyota was just better given the solid rear axle.
So excited to watch this episode 😍
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as much as i love the 4runner....if you put a rear locker on the pathfinder i reckon it would be unstoppable. Awesome video sir, great work :)
The 4Runner didn't have a rear locker.....
Lol those pathfinder are literally crap, from bumper to bumper, the 4Runner outlast thousands of miles the Nissan, pathfinders xterras, you named it
No but it had a solid axle. Which is a huge boost over all the other IS.
finally, a test with the same tire brand/model! good job!
I love how you coment the video, it's like watching a tv show. Good job!
Even with the lift the Toyota surprised me the most. My judgement was based on how I've seen the 200 series LC against other vehicles on this channel. I expected so much more from the jeep sure it's ground clearance isn't the best but one thing this channel has taught me is a fancy traction control system makes up for the difference or at least it can, even when tire are less then ideal.
no way that Toyota with out a front locker in it.
Quality brake pads with good initial bite are important on getting the most out of an off-road traction control system. If the pathfinder had better brake pads and the driver maintained a steady throttle the traction control would of been able to keep the car moving. I have an 06 just like that and my wheels never spin that much when lifted. Nissans ABLS system is great when used properly.
The rear independent suspension shows where it lacks off road capability on heavy crawling terrain, might need a rear locker and the problem is mostly solved IMO (also the heaviest vehicle out of all 4). But on the loose sand sections it showed what that suspension could do. Great to do overland in the desert and the beach. You are 300% correct about the brake pads, I was thinking the same!
I have an 06 diesel Pathfinder and with traction control on it's very capable of controlling spinning wheels. I was surprised this one struggled so much on the first obstacle
Having a Jeep with the same quadradrive 2 system I have to wonder if that Grand Cherokee has missed a few of its maintenance for the diffs. That there was weak. Mine don’t slip half a turn before the wheels lock up.
True,something is wrong with that Jeep
Terribly wrong with the Jeep , no doubt at all... Plenty of videos of QuadraDrive 2 performance here... None even close to that Jeep...
The problem I think was the shock absorbers, these were badly damaged and that would have affected grip too. Because if something is good from the Cherokee is the traction control, it works almost like a diff lock.
@@ferriolimaximus I think we both are right. The first obstacle shows the wheels spinning like open diffs. Hence lsd not working. Last obstacle (sand climb) shows it bouncing a lot side to side - shot dampers.
The lsd on the qd2 system locks the wheels, not just limits the slip.
100% that Quadradrive II isn’t working properly. A perfect working Quadradrive II is the closest a vehicle will get to being twin locked, it would be the most capable there if maintained properly.
Finally, now that lack of traction is no longer the issue, it comes down the the tracion control of each vehicle 👍
The PAJ 3.2 diesel would have creamed the competition
You couldn't get the Pajero with the 3.8l, or even 3.5l to make things a little more even in terms of engine output..? Luckily, its 4wd system is literally one of the best ever developed since it had to make up for the lack of power.