They're plastic and are notorious for warping. Plus they don't use a nice gasket or o-ring, they use rtv. rtv isn't the best and has a lot of user errors when applying it lol. They've been reported leaking with less then 1,000 miles on them... I work on bigger diesel on road engines and they use a nice thick o-ring that goes into a machined receiver groove on the pan. They never ever leak.
What kinda vacuum cleaner you got? Lol, I got a super strong shopvac (from Rigid, very impressed with the thing like a decade later) and I haven’t seen a belt, but then again I haven’t really seen all the internals of the motor. Do they really have a belt, or is that just some weird saying that makes no sense?
But the belt on the vacuum cleaner belt only takes 2 minutes to replace. Plus there's no damage to the motor when the belt on the vacuum cleaner breaks.
@@AricBlunk Ahh, thanks for the info. I was like where the heck would a vac have a belt, or even need one? Hadn’t even considered the “regular” vacs that have rollers on em with brushes and stuff. They’re so crappy and expensive. My shopvac was 85 bucks and that thing has like 20x the suction force of the strongest of wand style vacuum cleaners. You can put really fancy HEPA filters on the motor too if needed, so the exhaust won’t hurt sensitive people, and they’re very affordable. Not only can I clean floors way faster than I would with the overpriced junk, but I also clean it much better, leaving behind practically nothing that isn’t bonded to the floor like a drink or the finest of dust that’s held on way too tightly from static, usually not visible to the naked eye. It does the job it needs to perfectly though, which is to take the bulk of the loose stuff off and leave the floor clean enough so you can mop it to perfection without clogging up and/or ruining your mop. The trick is to use a high powered flashlight (I like using my Nitecore TM26GT or the EC4S) and lay it down on the floor, obviously parallel to it, not facing the ceiling. This will show ALL of the hair, dirt, and debris on the floor allowing you to check your work as you go along and confirming with high accuracy and certainty which places still need to be gone over or revisited. Floody beams will do better as they’ll allow you to see more at a time before you need to move the flashlight around, and you’re gonna want 1k lumens as a bare minimum if you’re gonna be doing it in sunny conditions. When you’re done, you follow it up with a microfiber mop and you get absolute perfection. This essay is totally unwarranted and nobody asked for it, but hey, it’s way past my bedtime and I’m heavily medicated. I hope it helps someone though, preferably you. You should give it a try. If you don’t already own a high output flashlight, Nitecore makes the best in the planet (in my opinion), but they charge accordingly. A good option would be Lumintop. They make really high quality flashlights and they’re very affordable. Their logo’s friggin’ awesome too, though Idk if they still have it. Used to be a cool rabbit on the power button which would be lit up when the light’s off, making it easy to find in the dark. Ok I’ll stop now.
@cyr2795 Whoever will start selling more basic cars will do well. In the world of EVs, GM did well with the BOLT. Very basic, conventional and inexpensive design. That's why most Bolt owners don't report major problems. From simple mechanical door handles, to basic suspension parts. The discontinued TRAX, SONIC and SPARK still had manual windows and door locks.
I agree with you on the extra crap that's not needed like heated/cooled seats, get cloth, and all the other stuff. But I'm getting older and the back up camera does help when I'm hooking up to one of my bumper pull trailers, gooseneck is no problem
@@meyou3353 this was true in the past with the B/D series but at least the belts weren't submerged in oil like this stupid design *edit* I stand corrected. B/D series oil pumps driven by the crank. Just saying that's as close as they got but never went full dumbass with running a belt in oil
The 3 cylinder oil pump drive belts are already failing. Belt pieces plug up the pick, starves for oil, then belt finally slips and breaks. Absolute genius.
It's not problem when you change it before timing belt brakes. And use right oil, wrong oil once for moment and it can brake anytime after that. Even If you soon change right oil.
@@ilkkak3065 Look at where that belt is located. It's behind the timing chains. No one will ever change it before it breaks. It's a stupid, horrible design.
@westernapache1700 It's not a stupid design, It's very intelligent, They know exactly what they're doing, They are not stupid, they are evil, there is a difference. This is to charge you as much as they possibly can, and give you nothing in return. I walked into a Ford dealership, Ready to buy a new truck, and I asked him if this was the design on my new truck, and they said yes, so I walked out.
There's incentives for that I guess. There's a company out there that is taking older solid V-8's, adding disc brakes, a Mallory ignition, A/C etc and making them better than they were new which was already reliable and strong. Frame up restore and updated for increased reliability and mpg. And of course, I can't find the link.
@@ineedapharmistsrealistically that is what cheap should mean, modern auto makers just like to push the limits of how cheap they can possibly go and hike prices up even further
I had a 79' Ford 4x4 F350 Crew Cab with a Long Bed. It had a 3" axle lift. Awesome straight 6 engine. Granny gear could pull a house off its foundation. 😂❤
Wet Belts are an abomination from the European market IIRC. The belt doesn't even need to break. When the rubber eventually starts deteriorating because it's in oil all the time, the residue will clog the oil pickup. There's Ford products in Europe that use this design for the timing belt.
An acquaintance just bought a newer Chevy PU, under 25K. Two weeks in, the transmission went out. (thankfully under warranty) I think they are all crap.
These companies need class action lawsuits on some of these things. Legislation should be in place to make it illegal to design in failures to sell parts. The only time a failure should be designed in is if it’s say a military vehicle and there is something specific to prevent the enemy from using a captured vehicle.
@@allahsnackbar9915 as a mechanic who considers myself honest to my customers, it disgusts me when I see this stuff. I know other honest mechanics who think the same way, even people I don’t consider exceptionally honest still think that some of this type of designed failure is ridiculous but it’s their bread and butter. As far as judge I don’t know but I think if more people see videos like this they will put pressure on companies to make quality products and products and the ones who don’t hopefully will see falling sales and wake up.
@@terrymcgregor2875that mentality is in so many products! I never replaced a windshield wiper till I was in my 30’s now it’s every other summer. HVAC units use to commonly last 30 yrs now your lucky to get 15, and light bulbs are supposed to last umpteen yrs & nada!
That's not cost cutting, that's driving up the price and difficulty of maintenance and repairs. Making things to break that would never have been an issue before.
Its to kill the warranty first. Regular engine oil kills those belts so if you change your oil yourself and don't know about the special oil you're supposed to use, you'll not only destroy the belt but your warranty will be voided as well.
Its better than that. The cheap belt will degrade if you don't use their special oil. So if you change your own oil and don't know you're supposed to use a special oil, then your belt will degrade and your warranty will be voided.
It has nothing to do with lack of smart mechanics on design team. It's literally built to fail after warranty. The new 2022-2024 7.3L Ford's V8 F350's have slits in the head between pistons called coolant vents where it runs under gasket that's 3mm thick and 1/4" deep. Used to have tiny steam vents to cool the head. Now there's a 100K mile failure point for head gaskets that can't be machined, so now you have to replace the head if it doesn't warp or hydrolock
I agree. Instead of all engineers, half mechanics. That way they can all come up with design and fixing and see what works and what don't. I had a lady faint when I showed her the price to replace a heater core in her just out of warranty impala. Showing her the entire dash out and what it takes she lost it. Idk why they can't make it easier on all vehicles. Taking a entire dash out without a plastic clip breaking, losing a tiny screw, etc is frustrating. Why can't we just have a access behind glove box like we do for cabin filter?
@@jasonchristopher2977 I have this problem in lab equipment. I think if you made the engineers spend 20% of their time in the field doing routine maintenance and repairs, you'd quickly find the designs getting a lot better.
Rubber belt between two metal chains? That's evil... no joke. They don't want better mpgs they are only trying to make them impossible to fix without any gain... besides taking away the ability for people to maintain their vehicles.
plastic oil pans and transmission pans on a 150/1500 (Dodge is guilt of this too) is complete bs had a rock off my tire take out my trans pan on my truck.
Plastic valve covers arent the problem here. They have been on cars for forever now and they almost never brake or leak and if they do leak its not bc they are plastic its bc the seal is bad. Plastic oil pans and transmission little oil pans or whatever u call them (sorry but my first language isn't english so i dont know their real name) are definitely a rly bad idea. The stupid belt is even worse and idk why car manufacturers are getting hooked on this thing. I new it was a thing for peugeots but ford doing this rly surprised me and not in a good way.
A single use oil pan? That's insane. What's it made of, cardboard? I owned ine Ford. The pax door fell off after a year. Took it to a dealership and traded it on a Pontiac (an '81 this was a while ago).
I have been using a toilet paper that you can recycle/ reuse, you just brown it well and then boil the shit out of it, wring it out and let it air dry, good to go again.
It's pretty wild a plastic oil pan what the heck ! Im sure they can get a metal or aluminium aftermarket one. That's what I would do then sell it ASAP.
@@scotta9114yup! The timing components are at the back of the engine as well, you can just remove the transmission to get to the oil pump belt, but if any timing components out, is engine out,but nonetheless, stupid design
@@scotta9114gm you have to remove the tranny, but that’s about all. They also started with an existing COE motor. Ford designed the 2.7 from the ground up from what I understand. So a side effect with GM, an intentional decision by ford. GM belt interval is also 200k miles…. So there’s that
I think he was being sarcastic? Comparing shitty trucks to price tags. Yet it could hit that high though! Some dummies will buy Ford brand gold teeth and gold nipples if they're spoiled little brats that have everything handed too em!
I see 3 things wrong with this: 1. Rubber belts deteriorate over time, leaving debris in the engine oil 2. Rubber belts do break, leaving the engine without oil pressure, causing catastrophic failure 3. If the oil pan is one time use and disposable, can we say about the rest of the vehicle? Cars that are designed to only last 80-100k miles do not sound very eco-friendly to me.
@@JoshK-g2cwell, did you watch it? The belt is glimmering with oil and it's inside the engine so there is going to be oil on it regardless. Looking at that design the fact that it's sitting in oil doesn't really surprise me.
@@vaughanellis7866 why would you want to waste your money on that kind of product if it is only going to fail over something that simple just saying do the job right in the first place
They have a service app they use that when you check a box, it includes the "kit" but if you diy, you're on your own to ensure you have all the nuts and bolts and if you miss one, no oil pressure. Idk why anyone buys Ford anymore. Buyer beware
But wait, it gets even better. Belt driven oil pump. And not just any belt, oh no, a really skinny belt soaked in motor oil. And not just motor oil, but the same oil running the engine. 😊
Valve covers are the same. I just had to replace mine. Went to change the coils and Ford uses a brass insert in the valve cover. So the insert just kept spinning. Mechanic said you have to replace the cover because of it. A 100 repair quickly turned into 1700 because of a tiny brass insert thread. 🤬😤
Starting in the mid-2000s, a lot of companies started moving to composite oil pans. They're actually still pretty durable, but will wrap and change shape from heat exposure. So once you unbolt it, it changes form, and it will often never seal properly again. Pretty common these days. Used to change them all the time on BMW's. Gets really ugly when you have an upper and lower oil pan that overlap to seal.
Except they discontinue parts after a relatively short period of time, so now you have to get a new car. Somethings gotta give, but seeing how student debt is being dealt with, things are going to get a lot worse before they get better.
Me too! If you think this is bad, the engineers at Toyota decided that the 3.5 in the Tundra does not need main bearing locating tabs to hold the inserts in place.
Also a retired 40 year tech, 21+ as a Ford tech, another 6 MISERABLE years Audi/VW, and 13 at an excellent indy shop. Like you, I don't miss it one iota, not even a tiny bit. I miss the indy shop and people I worked with, but NOT the work itself.
Don’t forget to vilify the greedy auto unions who protect the lazy non-productive kissass members forcing our auto makers to go to foreign countries in order to compete with foreign automakers. Yes, i know, and the CEO’s who fail to be competent and competitive should not get a zillion dollar golden parachute when they’re forced to step down by the investors. Just these two highlighted points are another tip of the iceberg of this troubled industry.
They've been doing this in Europe and Japan for a long time, in fact the US is just now catching up in the last decade. As a mechanic I can tell you plastic pans are far superior. They don't rust out like steel, are less likely to form leaks unless they take a serious hit that would destroy an aluminum pan as well. The plastic ones are a lot cheaper, typically easier to replace, and have protection plates that are a lot thicker to keep them safe from large debris on the road. In fact Ford kind of made it better, and I am NOT a fan of them and their horrible designs usually. With the ford pans they have unique drain plugs that work beautifully and allow you to change the oil below or above with an extractor. Almost all plastic pan cars from overseas have plugs but they specifically tell you NOT to drain them underneath unless absolutely necessary. VW for example wants you to use an extractor up top and never pop the plug underneath.
@@andrewschmidt1257Unless you drive it in the cold, drive it in the heat, get it wet, or drain the batteries to the point where you will have to sit at a charger for hours, and that's before we even get to the horrible range.
@@TheZebulonPike Once? No. Every time you take it off and that tiny belt for the oil pump will have to be replaced a few times. But even if it was just once, We had oil pans that didn´t have to be replaced, so this is just another step backwards.
@@Christopher_Giustolisi They're changing something that didn't need changing. Stick with a REUSABLE metal pan and change ONLY the gasket. It's way cheaper to buy a gasket than a new pan every time.
It wasn't stupid. It was a brilliant move by some bean counters. Like all corporations in America, Ford isn't in business to make their customers happy. They're in business to make their investors happy.
@@juiceman8108 Yes, but the bean counter tells the engineer what the budget is and the engineer has to stay within that so it always means compromises have to be made in the design somewhere.
yes but on the other side you get heated cooled seats heated cooled steering wheel back up camera bluetooth that is my priority when I am looking for a pickup truck for work.
The worst part is that Ford doesn’t need to be cheap.. for whatever reason they seem to have every major company/government organization leasing/buying vehicles off them for decades.
@@SupraNaturalTTIdk, I've heard enough mechanics (and me being an old shade tree mechanic included) cussing out the engineers for some of their screwed up designs. I found out, after my wife had problems with her Fiesta transmission, that it wasn't actually the engineers, it was management.
This is criminal by design and intent. It is supposed to fail so the owner will have to go buy a new truck. Crazy part is Ford thinks the customer is stupid enough to buy another Ford after suffering the blown motor in their current truck. Just criminal.
@@sunn209 and have you seen what they are like? Or are you just regurgitating information? Furthermore, those are 50s and 60s cars. Much simpler than any modern car. Try patching anything built in the past 20 years or so ... 🙄 Especially all the electronics. The frame of a monocoque vehicle is also structurally crucial, and when it rusts it's harder to repair. A 60s car, has a body on a chasis. What people should avoid is purchasing vehicles out of pure consumerism. Perhaps you should spend a few moments, think a bit, and THEN post. 😂 Perhaps you wanted to announce to the world you've been to Cuba, and therefore you are now an expert. 🤔Oh ... the abundance .... 😂
Id love an old truck redone. I dont mind my 09 tundra , its very dependable. New ford , chev , dodge i just cant uderstand the fascination. Sooo cheaply made
Yep me too. I have a 2000 4 door F150 5.4 V8 Triton and I already have a brand new engine on a stand and a new transmission 4R100 4x4 waiting for when anything fails. So far it has 230k miles and won't break down yet. I'm waiting.
@@mikeandcolleenk9831 Those are nice for hauling a sheet of plywood, but you need a real truck to haul 6 horses in a gooseneck trailer with a tack room, and living quarters. I'm not slamming them, but necessity dictates what you buy. They are working machines for some of us.
@@johndeesmith183 You're right. This is simply MORE $cheduled maintenance at your dealer who may charge hundred$ of dollar$ an hour while 1 mechanic works on 3 vehicles at once. Gears & chains belong INSIDE an engine. Belts belong OUTSIDE an engine. Anything different is either a scheduled failure or VERY expensive scheduled maintenance!
Its to void warranties early. You have to use a special oil or else the belt will dissolve and most people don't know that. So most people who change their oil themselves will instantly void the warranty and Ford won't have to cover any of the other issues that would otherwise cost them in the future. Its evil but financially lucrative in the medium term.
My wife and I rented a 2023 F150 on our honeymoon in March. She really liked it and asked if we could buy one if I ever got a new truck. I think I'll show her this video.
@@Jayzilla-jr4fr a prime example today is the Briggs and Stratton filled for life push mower. Just check and add oil. They deleted the drain plug. If you read the owners manual it states expected life to be 3 seasons. No thanks. I have a 20 year old push mower that's still working fine.
Millions of people all across the globe have needed new engines in the last 8 years on the 4 cylinder Eco-booms. Our 2017 blew up at 62,000 miles of easy highway use!
Called planned obsolescence, nothing designed to last. My 30 yr old car, over 500 k, never had an engine rebuild. Had 200 k when I bought 20 yrs ago. Regularly service by myself, dont trust anyone.
@@buryato_banderovets I'm from down under, so you probably won't know the model. It's a 1990 KF ford laser, 1.8 dohc engine. It was manufactured by Mazda Japan & rebadged when imported into Australia. Paid 1400 over 20 yrs ago.
Gotta love 140hp 180ftlbs of torque and 12mpg. I’ve owned many 240 and 300 sixes, but people on TH-cam act like they’re amazing. They’re okay unless you actually need mileage or to tow anything.
@@_..-.._..-.._ It's a truck used to get around our summer property so we're not worried about any of that. And it's easy to maintain and repair by myself so I don't have to pay some ripoff artist mechanic who over charges for everything like a lot of them do nowadays. But thanks for the sarcastic comment. It was really helpful.
I have a 1978 Ford 150 4x4 Custom 300 6 4 speed manual that was my grandfathers the Speedo only goes up to 99,999 then flips over to all zeros. It has over 400,000 on it. One of the best engines ford has ever produced.
And I thought plastic intake manifolds were an abomination (because they are, I hate them ever since I saw them fail repeatedly when i worked in a shop... but even my Lexus LS has one of those too!). I used to think "the only thing worse than this would be a plastic oil pan...but nobody would be stupid enough to do that, would they?" I stand corrected, by the sheer negligence and incompetence of Ford motor company...
@1985230ce you just want new so you buy new but alot ot newer cars wont last like the old cars you still find on the road. Now if everone said to the car manufacturers we want car that last or we wont buy them then they will try to make cars like Toyota that last.....
While I owned my GM cars, my tools were kept shining. Then 13 years ago I bought a Toyota..... Those once shiny tools in the shed since became very rusty since then.......
I wanted to buy a Ford F150 but the cam phaser failures and rubber belt oil pumps scared me off. Bought a 2019 Tundra 5.7L with 42k miles instead. No issues.
I honestly think they’re letting businessmen design these cars. They don’t have engineers anymore, it’s just a conference room to discuss how cheap they’re going to make everything.
Welcome to all of corporate America. I'm literally experiencing this type of shit daily with companies buy out smaller businesses that were family owned. Corporate comes in, spends hundreds of thousands to do the same shit that was flawless for 30 years and done for a few thousand. All for the sake of "standards". Meeting after meeting. No one has any clue what they are doing, lots of trial and error and mistakes. Hundreds or thousands of hours wasted. None of them will call out the wasted time or they wouldn't get to ride the gravy train into the ground. This would be the undoing of our country. Perhaps we will actually get some competition so that these stupid corps fail and have to do some actual work!
There is even a wording in Germany for that. "Peter Prinzip", in English Peter Principle, saying that at some point in every industry and every company, a person without any knowledge about their job will get promoted to a super important position and starts making wrong and/or bad descisions, because all they care about is money.
@@GusMahnyou couldn't be more wrong.. at one time you could actually work on your vehicle it was actually built for the customer to work on it and maintain their vehicle.. now it is the total opposite you cannot work on your own vehicle and they do not want you working on your vehicle..
As a mechanic this doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Cars are designed to be throwm in the bin as soon as the warranty is up. Its not like the old days when they made cars to last longer then the customer.
Don't blame the engineers for the work of the accountants. The advantage of this design is that if someone changes their oil themselves and they don't know they have to use a special rubber-safe oil, then there's a 100% chance that belt will break and the warranty will expire. Imagine how brilliant this idea is. A large percentage of Ford vehicles will have their warranties voided before normal problems start. This way other parts can be more substandard without Ford shelling out cash to fix them.
What we have here is an entire generation of mechanical engineers who have never rebuilt an engine, have never welded anything, didn’t have shop class of any sort. They are virtual world engineers, not a minute of reality involved.
As a Mechanical Engineer, I agree with this message. There are several I've felt with that did not deserve their degree, but the standards were lowered so women and minorities could become engineers.
The ‘wet belt’ timing chain is one of the biggest design cons by Ford leading to the catastrophic failures of many Transit van engines as well as other car models in the UK ! It’s an absolute disgrace !
Since you seem to live in the UK, beware of Peugeot, Opel/Vauxhall and Citroen's "1.2 PureTech" engine. Each of these tiny 3 cylinder built before may 2023 came with that exact type of wet timing belt and caused many issues to their owners... (me included 🥲)
@@clemuche2694 yes, you’re right, all of those 3 cylinder engines will eventually fail, no doubt about it. How those manufacturers signed these engines off is beyond me and l’m no mechanic !
Brilliant, a rubber belt in hot oil. What happened to gear or chain drive? Not enough failures? One time use oil pan? Why are we worrying about mpg if we are throwing away natural resources by having one time use parts when we used to have oil pans that could be taken off a blown engine and put on another engine after being built?
"one time use pan" makes me want to puke
And was that thing made of plastic? What a joke.
They're made of plastic
You can't reuse it why?
They're plastic and are notorious for warping. Plus they don't use a nice gasket or o-ring, they use rtv. rtv isn't the best and has a lot of user errors when applying it lol. They've been reported leaking with less then 1,000 miles on them...
I work on bigger diesel on road engines and they use a nice thick o-ring that goes into a machined receiver groove on the pan. They never ever leak.
no shit, thats fucking ridiculous
It’s not cheap or cheesy design. It’s designed to have catastrophic failure right out of warranty
The belt on my vacuum cleaner is bigger than that.
What kinda vacuum cleaner you got? Lol, I got a super strong shopvac (from Rigid, very impressed with the thing like a decade later) and I haven’t seen a belt, but then again I haven’t really seen all the internals of the motor. Do they really have a belt, or is that just some weird saying that makes no sense?
😂😂😂
@@groundcontrol6876 they're probably talking about a push vacuum with a carpet beater, those are usually belt driven
But the belt on the vacuum cleaner belt only takes 2 minutes to replace. Plus there's no damage to the motor when the belt on the vacuum cleaner breaks.
@@AricBlunk Ahh, thanks for the info. I was like where the heck would a vac have a belt, or even need one? Hadn’t even considered the “regular” vacs that have rollers on em with brushes and stuff. They’re so crappy and expensive. My shopvac was 85 bucks and that thing has like 20x the suction force of the strongest of wand style vacuum cleaners. You can put really fancy HEPA filters on the motor too if needed, so the exhaust won’t hurt sensitive people, and they’re very affordable. Not only can I clean floors way faster than I would with the overpriced junk, but I also clean it much better, leaving behind practically nothing that isn’t bonded to the floor like a drink or the finest of dust that’s held on way too tightly from static, usually not visible to the naked eye. It does the job it needs to perfectly though, which is to take the bulk of the loose stuff off and leave the floor clean enough so you can mop it to perfection without clogging up and/or ruining your mop.
The trick is to use a high powered flashlight (I like using my Nitecore TM26GT or the EC4S) and lay it down on the floor, obviously parallel to it, not facing the ceiling. This will show ALL of the hair, dirt, and debris on the floor allowing you to check your work as you go along and confirming with high accuracy and certainty which places still need to be gone over or revisited. Floody beams will do better as they’ll allow you to see more at a time before you need to move the flashlight around, and you’re gonna want 1k lumens as a bare minimum if you’re gonna be doing it in sunny conditions. When you’re done, you follow it up with a microfiber mop and you get absolute perfection.
This essay is totally unwarranted and nobody asked for it, but hey, it’s way past my bedtime and I’m heavily medicated. I hope it helps someone though, preferably you. You should give it a try. If you don’t already own a high output flashlight, Nitecore makes the best in the planet (in my opinion), but they charge accordingly. A good option would be Lumintop. They make really high quality flashlights and they’re very affordable. Their logo’s friggin’ awesome too, though Idk if they still have it. Used to be a cool rabbit on the power button which would be lit up when the light’s off, making it easy to find in the dark. Ok I’ll stop now.
And they have the balls to slap a $75k price tag on it
First rule of capitalism. Take all the market will bear.
People are to concerned about heated seats, backup cameras, touch screens, and bullshit you don’t need instead of good solid built vehicles.
Right? It's stuff we never even asked for, packing these things with super sophisticated technology, but they're turds. Meant to be thrown away
Very well said!
A "F'ING" MEN!!!! That's why auto industry is going bonkers. They capitalize on the fact that the majority looks at gadgets over proper design.
@cyr2795 Whoever will start selling more basic cars will do well. In the world of EVs, GM did well with the BOLT. Very basic, conventional and inexpensive design. That's why most Bolt owners don't report major problems. From simple mechanical door handles, to basic suspension parts. The discontinued TRAX, SONIC and SPARK still had manual windows and door locks.
I agree with you on the extra crap that's not needed like heated/cooled seats, get cloth, and all the other stuff. But I'm getting older and the back up camera does help when I'm hooking up to one of my bumper pull trailers, gooseneck is no problem
this kind of engineering should be illegal.
This is the problem with capitalism, it cheats the everyday working person😢
Or at least called something other than engineering, this is designed obsolescence. Nasty Ford.
If this kind of practice would be illegal, your country would collapse.
It is. That’s what fewer and fewer people buy Ford. Eventually they’ll go bankrupt
Only a kulllown is buying the 2.7 anyway.
Whoever designed the internal belt driven oil pump needs to be banned from automotive design.
more like the idiot at the top who approved it
@garysullivan4432 😂😂😂 tell that to HONDA. Several of their engines use a balance belt or timing belt that drives the oil pump.
@meyou3353 not true at all.they run the water pump not the oil pump.
only has to last until its out of warranty!
@@meyou3353 this was true in the past with the B/D series but at least the belts weren't submerged in oil like this stupid design
*edit* I stand corrected. B/D series oil pumps driven by the crank. Just saying that's as close as they got but never went full dumbass with running a belt in oil
The 3 cylinder oil pump drive belts are already failing. Belt pieces plug up the pick, starves for oil, then belt finally slips and breaks. Absolute genius.
New Fords are designed to fail, so this design serves its purpose.
Wet belts have been destroying engines for over 10 years. Ford's are actual dog shit.
It's not problem when you change it before timing belt brakes. And use right oil, wrong oil once for moment and it can brake anytime after that. Even If you soon change right oil.
@@ilkkak3065 Look at where that belt is located. It's behind the timing chains. No one will ever change it before it breaks. It's a stupid, horrible design.
@westernapache1700 It's not a stupid design, It's very intelligent, They know exactly what they're doing, They are not stupid, they are evil, there is a difference.
This is to charge you as much as they possibly can, and give you nothing in return.
I walked into a Ford dealership, Ready to buy a new truck, and I asked him if this was the design on my new truck, and they said yes, so I walked out.
It’s almost like engineers are designing cars that fail on purpose.
Yep, I believe they are. 😢
They are in fact doing exactly that,
There's incentives for that I guess. There's a company out there that is taking older solid V-8's, adding disc brakes, a Mallory ignition, A/C etc and making them better than they were new which was already reliable and strong. Frame up restore and updated for increased reliability and mpg. And of course, I can't find the link.
@@davidanderson8469good source if you ever find it
I think if Henry Ford was still alive he would not allowed Ford to make such junk.
I worked at a Ford dealership in 79 and we were thinking the trucks were getting cheap then, but they were tanks compared to this new junk.
Yea nothing compared to this junk now.
Imagine having the bare minimum and thinking it was cheap lol
@@ineedapharmistsrealistically that is what cheap should mean, modern auto makers just like to push the limits of how cheap they can possibly go and hike prices up even further
I had a 79' Ford 4x4 F350 Crew Cab with a Long Bed. It had a 3" axle lift. Awesome straight 6 engine. Granny gear could pull a house off its foundation. 😂❤
@@SPHYNX99752i have 3 70's ford pickups. The only extra's on mine are dual gas tanks and a/c's. Thats it.
Predatory Engineering at its finest.
Engineered by today's "snowflake" generation! There are no "real" men anymore!
I think it's much Worse.
Wet Belts are an abomination from the European market IIRC.
The belt doesn't even need to break. When the rubber eventually starts deteriorating because it's in oil all the time, the residue will clog the oil pickup. There's Ford products in Europe that use this design for the timing belt.
HORRIBLE!!! A FRKIN BELT COME ON FORD!!!!!!???????
Are the people you're voting to represent you in the pocket of big business or an opponent? Let's all think about this
You sold me! I won’t be buying one of those anymore.
An acquaintance just bought a newer Chevy PU, under 25K. Two weeks in, the transmission went out. (thankfully under warranty) I think they are all crap.
ONE TIME???? That should be illegal. I'm being serious. Holy crap.
These companies need class action lawsuits on some of these things. Legislation should be in place to make it illegal to design in failures to sell parts. The only time a failure should be designed in is if it’s say a military vehicle and there is something specific to prevent the enemy from using a captured vehicle.
@@terrymcgregor2875 that would only pass through if a decent and honest mechanic was to be a legal judge, and that will sadly never happen
@@allahsnackbar9915 as a mechanic who considers myself honest to my customers, it disgusts me when I see this stuff. I know other honest mechanics who think the same way, even people I don’t consider exceptionally honest still think that some of this type of designed failure is ridiculous but it’s their bread and butter. As far as judge I don’t know but I think if more people see videos like this they will put pressure on companies to make quality products and products and the ones who don’t hopefully will see falling sales and wake up.
@@terrymcgregor2875that mentality is in so many products! I never replaced a windshield wiper till I was in my 30’s now it’s every other summer. HVAC units use to commonly last 30 yrs now your lucky to get 15, and light bulbs are supposed to last umpteen yrs & nada!
@@WarrenGRamm Light bulbs got better. I've never seen an LED bulb stop working, have you?
The engineers who designed this were given a promotion and a corner office.
They definitely got a raise and sucked off by the headquarters boss 🤣
@@Zdh1998 and a sprspreadsheet to say how much money theyve created.
Nexts small inconvient idea they make they get an office view window
No, the bean counter did. Most likely.
@@plonkster your probably correct. save money and increase cafe standard with the lighter designs.
The cost-cutting is criminal. No respect for long-term use and service.
Calculated obsolesence, my friend.
no wonder EVs are better. No complex parts just a motor with a sealed oil that lasts for the life of the car
That's not cost cutting, that's driving up the price and difficulty of maintenance and repairs. Making things to break that would never have been an issue before.
That is just bullshit. Why didn't they use a chain ?? Yea Fuck ford too.
It is for emission standards. That is why they included a wet belt
Thanks, exactly what I wanted to say! One time use anything in an automobile is just ridiculous.
Don't worry about the belt, it's designed to last months longer than warranty
Don't you mean minutes?
😂😂😂😂 Weeks*
"Cheap and cheesy" is basically the design philosophy of all Ford EcoBoost V-6 engines.
If that rubber belt fails you can always use a panty-hose to repair 😢
@@Jon_2218
Shrink wrap twisted into a cable. Heat gun the ends together. Hair dryer the rest to tension. Keep it under 3500 rpm.
It's not cheap and cheesy. It's perfectly well designed - to kill this engine.
Ur wallet
Just after the warranty expires
Planned obsolescence in action:
Its to kill the warranty first. Regular engine oil kills those belts so if you change your oil yourself and don't know about the special oil you're supposed to use, you'll not only destroy the belt but your warranty will be voided as well.
Mo money!
It's perfect corporate thinking.
Cheap belt = kills engine = buy new engine = profit.
Its better than that. The cheap belt will degrade if you don't use their special oil. So if you change your own oil and don't know you're supposed to use a special oil, then your belt will degrade and your warranty will be voided.
Ticked off engineer who's also a DIY mechanic: (builds trebuchet, launches dead engine into Ford Engineering department office)
LOL
Well not smart at all really because this person is going to buy from another manufacturer now. Problem is, they're all making garbage these days.
And then the customer never buys a Ford again
There's no profit when the next car they buy is a Toyota
They’re not making any money on “built ford tough”
I'm a transmission specialist since the 1960's. We said it back in the 1980's. Mechanic's need to design cars
Too expensive. The bean counters wouldn't allow it.
It has nothing to do with lack of smart mechanics on design team. It's literally built to fail after warranty.
The new 2022-2024 7.3L Ford's V8 F350's have slits in the head between pistons called coolant vents where it runs under gasket that's 3mm thick and 1/4" deep. Used to have tiny steam vents to cool the head. Now there's a 100K mile failure point for head gaskets that can't be machined, so now you have to replace the head if it doesn't warp or hydrolock
I agree. Instead of all engineers, half mechanics. That way they can all come up with design and fixing and see what works and what don't. I had a lady faint when I showed her the price to replace a heater core in her just out of warranty impala. Showing her the entire dash out and what it takes she lost it. Idk why they can't make it easier on all vehicles. Taking a entire dash out without a plastic clip breaking, losing a tiny screw, etc is frustrating. Why can't we just have a access behind glove box like we do for cabin filter?
@@jasonchristopher2977 I have this problem in lab equipment. I think if you made the engineers spend 20% of their time in the field doing routine maintenance and repairs, you'd quickly find the designs getting a lot better.
You need to learn how apostrophes work 😂
Plastic oil pans and plastic valve covers are diabolical
Rubber belt between two metal chains? That's evil... no joke. They don't want better mpgs they are only trying to make them impossible to fix without any gain... besides taking away the ability for people to maintain their vehicles.
The pan is aluminium,but it's still a shit can Ford.
plastic oil pans and transmission pans on a 150/1500 (Dodge is guilt of this too) is complete bs
had a rock off my tire take out my trans pan on my truck.
What's your view on plastic gas tanks?
Plastic valve covers arent the problem here. They have been on cars for forever now and they almost never brake or leak and if they do leak its not bc they are plastic its bc the seal is bad. Plastic oil pans and transmission little oil pans or whatever u call them (sorry but my first language isn't english so i dont know their real name) are definitely a rly bad idea. The stupid belt is even worse and idk why car manufacturers are getting hooked on this thing. I new it was a thing for peugeots but ford doing this rly surprised me and not in a good way.
One time use pan? Hell, even toilet paper can be used at least twice if you fold it over 😅
A single use oil pan? That's insane. What's it made of, cardboard? I owned ine Ford. The pax door fell off after a year. Took it to a dealership and traded it on a Pontiac (an '81 this was a while ago).
Bro what? 😢
I have been using a toilet paper that you can recycle/ reuse, you just brown it well and then boil the shit out of it, wring it out and let it air dry, good to go again.
Legend😂
Civilized people use the water pressure from your bidet to clean themselves.. not a paper spreading 💩 all over your behind like peanut butter on toast
The fact they didn't use a chain for the oil pump shows they built this with the intention of it failing.
Actually the chains on all the other Fords fail at a MUCH HIGHER rate than the wet belt does.
That wet belt, along with a plastic oil pan straight up BLOW MY MIND.
It's pretty wild a plastic oil pan what the heck ! Im sure they can get a metal or aluminium aftermarket one. That's what I would do then sell it ASAP.
@@Carter-X that would be a hard pill to swallow after spending 80K for the pos
That 3 0 GM Diesel also uses a rubber belt to drive the oil pump. I think you have to remove the engine and transmission to replace it?
@@scotta9114yup! The timing components are at the back of the engine as well, you can just remove the transmission to get to the oil pump belt, but if any timing components out, is engine out,but nonetheless, stupid design
@@scotta9114gm you have to remove the tranny, but that’s about all. They also started with an existing COE motor. Ford designed the 2.7 from the ground up from what I understand. So a side effect with GM, an intentional decision by ford. GM belt interval is also 200k miles…. So there’s that
All of this substandard design and materials for $85k. 😂 Insane.
An f150 with a 2.7 is not gonna be 85k. That's the base engine
@@rubberwoodyHe might've been being sarcastic? Comparing piece of shit trucks to the price tag. Yet it could hit that high though!
I think he was being sarcastic? Comparing shitty trucks to price tags.
Yet it could hit that high though!
Some dummies will buy Ford brand gold teeth and gold nipples if they're spoiled little brats that have everything handed too em!
@@rubberwoody You missed the point of the comment
@@rubberwoodyFord: 2.7 for 85k? Ok if you ask we will do.
I see 3 things wrong with this:
1. Rubber belts deteriorate over time, leaving debris in the engine oil
2. Rubber belts do break, leaving the engine without oil pressure, causing catastrophic failure
3. If the oil pan is one time use and disposable, can we say about the rest of the vehicle?
Cars that are designed to only last 80-100k miles do not sound very eco-friendly to me.
Not to mention that oil accelerates the degradation of rubber, so this is a "designed to fail" engine.
How.....is debris from a deteriorating belt going to get inside of an oil pan to contaminate the oil...? 😂🤦♂️
@@JoshK-g2c: The belt is INSIDE of the engine, running in oil. Duh. Did you even bother to watch the video?
@turbodiesel4709 Yeah....don't think they'd have a belt submerged in hot oil, but ok. DiD yOu EvEn WaTcH iT?? 🤦♂️🤣
@@JoshK-g2cwell, did you watch it? The belt is glimmering with oil and it's inside the engine so there is going to be oil on it regardless. Looking at that design the fact that it's sitting in oil doesn't really surprise me.
Customer asks mechanic, "so what's wrong with my truck".
Mechanic,"sir... it's uh Ford".
😂
This should be criminalized. How is this even possible
The Mondeo in the UK has a "wet belt" in IT'S STEERING. It breaks and you can't turn AT ALL. Blocking plenty of roads
@@OffGridInvestor at this point they're just trying to kill us. We're disposable to these tyrants.
@@OffGridInvestorMong-deo....
Jesus... and people think were trashy for wanting to keep our "old trucks"
I'll probable die still owning my 98 dodge ram/360. People tell me it's time to replace it and I go "are you nuts?"
‘00 gmc sierra. I’ll be dead and gone before that thing gives out.
'92 isuzu pickup and a '62 Fordf100. Both work great.
@@jime8532 why would I want to spend 75k dollars on throw away truck. 😂
@@AxleRods plus it’d be way cheaper to replace an engine and tranny than to buy a new vehicle
Great example of how vehicles are now designed to last a certain amount of miles so consumers keep buying new ones every few years.
And what is really Sad is We as consumers have let this happen
These folks are out here thinking this shit will last 300000 miles. Delusional!
So we're the dumb ones @@StevenWittenburg
@@StevenWittenburg Fixed market capitalism....
Planned Obsolescence😢
It's not a "Cheap Cheesy" design, Its a "DESIGNED TO FAIL" design, as for it having a "one use" oil pan, I'd never willingly buy one of those trucks.
Yep, sad
Or at least not with the 2.7 V6 lol!😂
Yeah that was my first thought as well. Planned obsolescence to a cynical degree of maliciousness IMO.
Bingo, drove that nail
@@vaughanellis7866 why would you want to waste your money on that kind of product if it is only going to fail over something that simple just saying do the job right in the first place
Ford guy says... "I know how to secure our bonuses this year... One time uses oil pans." Other Ford guy...
"Brilliant!!!"
They have a service app they use that when you check a box, it includes the "kit" but if you diy, you're on your own to ensure you have all the nuts and bolts and if you miss one, no oil pressure. Idk why anyone buys Ford anymore. Buyer beware
Lmfao 😆 🤣 😂😂 sounds about right.
Not the ‘Ford guy’ but the bean counter guys that are educated into imbecility vying for a bonus trip to the Bahamas.
After market opportunity.
But wait, it gets even better. Belt driven oil pump. And not just any belt, oh no, a really skinny belt soaked in motor oil. And not just motor oil, but the same oil running the engine. 😊
Thanks for calling out these terrible flaws from this company. We need more people like yourself.
It's not just "this company." All the manufacturers are making junk these days.
@@ADDwithJTCtrue
@ADDwithJTC This "particular company" has had a lengthy history designing their vehicles pretty shitty though.
@@lewismcfarcry sounds a lot like Chrysler
@isaiahanderson7237 We all know Ford holds that medal. Why you see so many on trade in at other manufacturer dealerships compared to any other brand.
I love my 04 Silverado with the 4.3 Like A Rock 220k and going strong.
I have a 4.3 5 speed 99 Blazer, trying to keep it forever, last of the good engines
Wtf......a one time use oil pan?!?!
you shouldnt have to change an oil pan ever unless its rusted out. oil filter is always outside the oil pan.
@@berardoferrari Except in this case where you have to replace it just to address a leak since it is "one time use"
Valve covers are the same. I just had to replace mine. Went to change the coils and Ford uses a brass insert in the valve cover. So the insert just kept spinning. Mechanic said you have to replace the cover because of it. A 100 repair quickly turned into 1700 because of a tiny brass insert thread. 🤬😤
Starting in the mid-2000s, a lot of companies started moving to composite oil pans. They're actually still pretty durable, but will wrap and change shape from heat exposure. So once you unbolt it, it changes form, and it will often never seal properly again. Pretty common these days. Used to change them all the time on BMW's. Gets really ugly when you have an upper and lower oil pan that overlap to seal.
I'll keep my '04 Audi
Cheap cheesey design ❌
Company Making money through maintenance✅
Except they discontinue parts after a relatively short period of time, so now you have to get a new car. Somethings gotta give, but seeing how student debt is being dealt with, things are going to get a lot worse before they get better.
40 year mechanic for GM. Retired, I don't miss it. 🍺
Me too! If you think this is bad, the engineers at Toyota decided that the 3.5 in the Tundra does not need main bearing locating tabs to hold the inserts in place.
@@frankpeletz1818 😂
Also a retired 40 year tech, 21+ as a Ford tech, another 6 MISERABLE years Audi/VW, and 13 at an excellent indy shop. Like you, I don't miss it one iota, not even a tiny bit. I miss the indy shop and people I worked with, but NOT the work itself.
One more step closer to becoming a 3rd world country. Get your bicycles ready…
@@RichThiele I spent my last miserable 3 years as a Cadillac technician after the Obama Biden recession.
" built Ford tough "
Wet belt there’s a class action lawsuit in EU for this exact design was not smart at all
Ford has a recall in the USA over this belt driven oil pump.
Make sure you use the correct oil in those or that belt won’t last any time.
GM has thr same thing
EU actually seems to hold power accountable. Unlike the dumb USA
In EU the class action is about the Puretech timing belt bathing in oil
Rubber belt in oil, dumbest thing Ford ever came up with. Makes even the Triton engines look well thought out
GM did the same with their 3.0 litre Duramax. Rubber belt is at the rear, so you have to pull the transmission out and rear timing cover to get to it.
Oh you ain't seen it all : Puretech engine has the timing belt in oil
Welcome to American cars. Built to break. Keeping that union going.
I think the same thing!
Some European cars have the belt in oil design too. When that belt breaks or degrades in petroleum products,there goes your engine!
Thats not "engineering", thats a money pit on wheels.
The 2.7 and 3.7 v6 trucks are better than the turbo 3.5. The truck itself is a good unit, it's just the timing chains.
Definition of Planned obsolescence.
- 1 time use oil pan
- plastic oil pickup
- belt driven oil pump
- can’t replace belt without removing timing chain and whole front of engine
😂
Is it the same with the 3.3 naturally aspirated base model engine from 18?
Chain driven would be better
Don't have to worry about changing the belt because when the belt breaks you get to change the engine
check out a chevy 3.0 diesel
And the belt breaks a week after warranty expires
Let me guess, the oil pan is plastic. 😑 I've lost all respect for US car makers.
Don’t forget to vilify the greedy auto unions who protect the lazy non-productive kissass members forcing our auto makers to go to foreign countries in order to compete with foreign automakers. Yes, i know, and the CEO’s who fail to be competent and competitive should not get a zillion dollar golden parachute when they’re forced to step down by the investors. Just these two highlighted points are another tip of the iceberg of this troubled industry.
Tesla is still one of the best cars in the world
They've been doing this in Europe and Japan for a long time, in fact the US is just now catching up in the last decade.
As a mechanic I can tell you plastic pans are far superior. They don't rust out like steel, are less likely to form leaks unless they take a serious hit that would destroy an aluminum pan as well. The plastic ones are a lot cheaper, typically easier to replace, and have protection plates that are a lot thicker to keep them safe from large debris on the road.
In fact Ford kind of made it better, and I am NOT a fan of them and their horrible designs usually. With the ford pans they have unique drain plugs that work beautifully and allow you to change the oil below or above with an extractor. Almost all plastic pan cars from overseas have plugs but they specifically tell you NOT to drain them underneath unless absolutely necessary. VW for example wants you to use an extractor up top and never pop the plug underneath.
@@andrewschmidt1257Unless you drive it in the cold, drive it in the heat, get it wet, or drain the batteries to the point where you will have to sit at a charger for hours, and that's before we even get to the horrible range.
@@Wrenchingandnursing what model cars have these plastic oil pans ?
One time use pan?! These companies are getting way too greedy.
That's because the gasket is part of the pan, which is made out of plastic. You can´t change the gasket, so you have to buy a new oil pan.
The pan costs like $100 and probably needs to be changed once in the life of the vehicle. Settle down.
@@TheZebulonPike Once? No. Every time you take it off and that tiny belt for the oil pump will have to be replaced a few times. But even if it was just once, We had oil pans that didn´t have to be replaced, so this is just another step backwards.
@@TheZebulonPike That's not very green of them. These are designed to go straight into the landfill.
@@Christopher_Giustolisi They're changing something that didn't need changing. Stick with a REUSABLE metal pan and change ONLY the gasket. It's way cheaper to buy a gasket than a new pan every time.
That belt driven pump literally HAS to be the worst design of anything - ever.
The "internal" water pump in Ford's 3.5L V6 may be a CLOSE runner up!
It wasn't stupid. It was a brilliant move by some bean counters. Like all corporations in America, Ford isn't in business to make their customers happy. They're in business to make their investors happy.
Every 13 weeks!
Bean counter didn't do that, an engineer did
@@juiceman8108 Yes, but the bean counter tells the engineer what the budget is and the engineer has to stay within that so it always means compromises have to be made in the design somewhere.
Yep it's all about keeping the shareholders happy!
@@juiceman8108 You must be a bean counter? 😉
'Designed to fail'.
I lost faith in Ford more than 30 years ago.
That’s every vehicle manufacturing company
Dude, not a single other auto manufacturer is any better. They all do stupid crap for the $$$.
@@adamw4245
It's literally not though.
There's a reason why Toyota is now the #1 manufacturer.
@@CurlyFromTheSwirly not now. dog water trucks now.
You must be smoking something, because Ford and Toyota been running this auto world for a long time
You guys saved me from considering the 2.7L F150. Thank you!
Right, get the 5.0. Better engine, less problems. Would know, have had the experience.
The new 5.0 also has a internal belt and cylinder deactivation
Shouldn't be buying a truck without a v8 anyway 🤣🤦♂️
Why would you pay almost 100k for a truck , that monthly payment must be insanity. Not to mention fuel.
The smaller Eco-boost engines are just as bad for similar reasons, including a wet timing belt!
Some genius must think when it blows up the customer will just go buy another one!🤯
I beg to differ, that is absolutely NOT a cheap design, that is a very, very, expensive design - for us.
yes but on the other side you get heated cooled seats heated cooled steering wheel back up camera bluetooth that is my priority when I am looking for a pickup truck for work.
Speak for ur self
Hahaha!!!
An expensive designed to fleece the customers off their money.
@@rizkiarya6257did you not read the whole post?
The worst part is that Ford doesn’t need to be cheap.. for whatever reason they seem to have every major company/government organization leasing/buying vehicles off them for decades.
Because BuILt FoRD tOuGH
@@tgd02 😂
It's job security for the mechanics constantly repairing these Rube Goldberg machines.
@@SupraNaturalTTIdk, I've heard enough mechanics (and me being an old shade tree mechanic included) cussing out the engineers for some of their screwed up designs. I found out, after my wife had problems with her Fiesta transmission, that it wasn't actually the engineers, it was management.
Ford and basically every major company is like this cause greed😀
This is criminal by design and intent.
It is supposed to fail so the owner will have to go buy a new truck.
Crazy part is Ford thinks the customer is stupid enough to buy another Ford after suffering the blown motor in their current truck.
Just criminal.
Isn't the F150 one of the most popular vehicle model sold in the US?
But they ARE.
yes actually most people are stupid because they buying them, i think i am just gonna stay with my 20 years old mercedes
Yep! And that is why I buy Toyotas.
That's the sad part. I've seen many people stick with problematic brands across models that kept causing significant repairs.
Designed to fail this should be a crime.
STOP BUYING NEW VEHICLES
The crime is 'mericans thinking that everything is a cirme.
@@Toro_Da_Corsawell, genius, at some point someone HAS TO. 🙄
@@XB10001
Not really, Cuba old just a keep a runnin...,and their very, very poor. So you are in error.
@@sunn209 and have you seen what they are like? Or are you just regurgitating information?
Furthermore, those are 50s and 60s cars. Much simpler than any modern car.
Try patching anything built in the past 20 years or so ... 🙄 Especially all the electronics. The frame of a monocoque vehicle is also structurally crucial, and when it rusts it's harder to repair.
A 60s car, has a body on a chasis.
What people should avoid is purchasing vehicles out of pure consumerism.
Perhaps you should spend a few moments, think a bit, and THEN post. 😂
Perhaps you wanted to announce to the world you've been to Cuba, and therefore you are now an expert. 🤔Oh ... the abundance .... 😂
He nailed it with "another stupid Ford design." I was told almost 50 years ago, "You can't work on a Ford without a Hammer."
GM did the same thing with their current 3 L diesel 🤷
Dodges have oiling and fuel issues from the factory. All the brands are screwing people.
It’s not like Chevy or dodge is any better
Yeah but you used to be able to get a Ford running with that hammer. Isn't true anymore
The Panther platform was pretty good, though.
I will never get a new truck. I'm staying with my old pickup. 😂
Word !
Amen, bro. My '99 S 10 is now 25 and will likely outlive me.
Id love an old truck redone. I dont mind my 09 tundra , its very dependable. New ford , chev , dodge i just cant uderstand the fascination. Sooo cheaply made
Yep me too. I have a 2000 4 door F150 5.4 V8 Triton and I already have a brand new engine on a stand and a new transmission 4R100 4x4 waiting for when anything fails. So far it has 230k miles and won't break down yet. I'm waiting.
@@mikeandcolleenk9831 Those are nice for hauling a sheet of plywood, but you need a real truck to haul 6 horses in a gooseneck trailer with a tack room, and living quarters. I'm not slamming them, but necessity dictates what you buy. They are working machines for some of us.
Design failures = Profits for Ford
It’s called Junk. It’s called planned obsolescence so you keep coming back every 5 years for a new vehicle.
US cars were known for "planned obsolescence" since I believe the 1960s.
Thats ford for you since 1970
I'll keep my 2003 F150 with 96,xxx miles Runs great.
Have a 118k on my 2019 2.7L and zero issues. Whatever design and rubber works. These 2.7L are pretty much bulletproof if maintained properly.
@@Calebflying2025👍
... its built in self destruction
That drive belt is very durable. Timing belts are used all through industry and have a very long service life.
Lol 😂🎉 right @@KingfishStevens-di9ji
@@johndeesmith183 You're right. This is simply MORE $cheduled maintenance at your dealer who may charge hundred$ of dollar$ an hour while 1 mechanic works on 3 vehicles at once. Gears & chains belong INSIDE an engine. Belts belong OUTSIDE an engine. Anything different is either a scheduled failure or VERY expensive scheduled maintenance!
@@bobross1241 what I wrote is true. Intelligence is folly to the fool.
Drive belts are very durable until they get coated in oil. Unless they used a special material this won't last long.
As a Mechanical Engineer, I do not approve of this design.
Hire this man
@@843idfa They'd never hire anyone with natural mechanical abilities. They hire college crammed idiots.
@@843idfa Ford only hires braindead engineers.
It's an example from the BIC lighter school of engineering.
Then you'd know it's not rubber.
Ok, I'll make a note of never buying a 2018 Ford F-150 with the 2.7 V6 !
Proof engineers are the brightest people. Wet belt design doesn't work.
Why the HELL are we putting shitty parts in a $55 to 100 thousand dollar truck? Why?
At least with the truck you can fit a decent en gine ! Different make of course
Profit margin!! Damn the reliability. It was probably tested to fail AFTER the standard warranty expires.
TO MAKE MONEY. IF THEIR VECHICLES DON'T SELL, THEN THE GOVERMENT WILL HELP US. WE TOO BIG TO FAIL !
because people still buy them
the dam things are so expensive you have to fix it they have you buy the b$lls
Kind of wonder if Ford isn't planning for this thing to break down. Stuff like this is why tiny Japanese cars exploded into popularity.
Its to void warranties early. You have to use a special oil or else the belt will dissolve and most people don't know that. So most people who change their oil themselves will instantly void the warranty and Ford won't have to cover any of the other issues that would otherwise cost them in the future. Its evil but financially lucrative in the medium term.
Hyundai came ahead of the game 😂😂😂😂. I’ll be more concern knowing Korean vehicles are more reliable than our junk yard American manufacturers 😂😂😂😂😂.
@@goldmanmartinez2678our "junk yard" American manufacturers are always trying very hard to save money even if it affects quality.
Plastic is a lot cheaper than Aluminum ... !!!
Agreed. Look at all the cars on the road.
The good news is before the belt goes it shreds and clogs the pickup before it breaks 😂
This right here
YES
My Dad always hated Fords. His reason was they seem to try new ideas without much thought for the do-it-yourself guys. He's right about that
My wife and I rented a 2023 F150 on our honeymoon in March. She really liked it and asked if we could buy one if I ever got a new truck. I think I'll show her this video.
The 5.0 is really the only Ford truck engine I would consider now.
They are great trucks. Get the V8. The 3.5 V6 is OK, but not my choice. Avoid the 2.7 V6 at all costs.
Oh brother, one video. You should look up videos on gm and dodge failures.
@@dualsportdiary1150
The 2.7 is one of the best engines ever made.
Planned obsolescence
Just like "lifetime fluids" it just has to work long enough to get through the warranty period. Then, everything is your problem, not theirs.
Yes, when the fluid wears out, that's the lifespan of the machine. 😂
Read the owner manual😂
Most people will never change fluids anyways. I personally do. Cheap maintenance
@@Jayzilla-jr4fr a prime example today is the Briggs and Stratton filled for life push mower. Just check and add oil. They deleted the drain plug. If you read the owners manual it states expected life to be 3 seasons. No thanks. I have a 20 year old push mower that's still working fine.
Yep, they know how long certain parts last on average so they give you a warranty that ends before most of the parts start to become unserviceable.
Engine designers at ford know how to make money not engines.😢
The MBA decided what kind of Engine get to be manufactured
Millions of people all across the globe have needed new engines in the last 8 years on the 4 cylinder Eco-booms. Our 2017 blew up at 62,000 miles of easy highway use!
That’s with anything American nowadays
@@mrsoisauce9017 Incorrect. American designed military weapons and equipment are the best in the world.
@@BartSparrow123 if that’s all we know how to do right, there’s something seriously fucked about this country
It's like the 1.0 ecoboom. Replaced the wet belt with a chain but still use a belt for the oil pump.
Called planned obsolescence, nothing designed to last. My 30 yr old car, over 500 k, never had an engine rebuild. Had 200 k when I bought 20 yrs ago. Regularly service by myself, dont trust anyone.
Wow... Model?
@@buryato_banderovets I'm from down under, so you probably won't know the model. It's a 1990 KF ford laser, 1.8 dohc engine. It was manufactured by Mazda Japan & rebadged when imported into Australia. Paid 1400 over 20 yrs ago.
@@jet-z2r 1400AUD... Best fn deal!
@@buryato_banderovets it's the cheapest car I ever bought, lasted longer than any other, lol.
30 years ago cars were built with planned obsolescence too. 80s cars were garbage
This makes me appreciate the 1971 F100 with the 300 straight six that I inherited from my Grandfather even more.
My first pickup was a 71 F100 360. Was a farm truck. I rebuilt the front suspension when I got it and loved it.
Gotta love 140hp 180ftlbs of torque and 12mpg. I’ve owned many 240 and 300 sixes, but people on TH-cam act like they’re amazing. They’re okay unless you actually need mileage or to tow anything.
@@_..-.._..-.._ It's a truck used to get around our summer property so we're not worried about any of that. And it's easy to maintain and repair by myself so I don't have to pay some ripoff artist mechanic who over charges for everything like a lot of them do nowadays. But thanks for the sarcastic comment. It was really helpful.
I have a 1978 Ford 150 4x4 Custom 300 6 4 speed manual that was my grandfathers the Speedo only goes up to 99,999 then flips over to all zeros. It has over 400,000 on it. One of the best engines ford has ever produced.
@@DustinRZR Nice man. 👍
One time use oil pan. The Green Team should be protesting the carbon footprint of this vehicle. Lol
Yeah the green team is the problem.
They, uh.. are.
Their the ones who made them use plastic in the first place, its to reduce weight and use less fuel
The 3.7 has an aluminum pan and after all I had heard about plastic pans in other brands, I thought well at least Ford still uses metal...nevermind.
@Jordan__Sloan or the plastic ones cost less and the bean counters made them do it. Not everything is a tree hugger plot.
rubber belt to drive oil pump, that's nut.
Lol 1 time use pan? They literally don't gaf about their customers. Peak degeneracy.
I just got a gearbox oil change on a 2005 Toyota, and the kit included a new pan.
And I thought plastic intake manifolds were an abomination (because they are, I hate them ever since I saw them fail repeatedly when i worked in a shop... but even my Lexus LS has one of those too!). I used to think "the only thing worse than this would be a plastic oil pan...but nobody would be stupid enough to do that, would they?"
I stand corrected, by the sheer negligence and incompetence of Ford motor company...
@Tiberius_I
It's a sad world brother, we need change.
These new cars wont last and dummies keep buying them..🤣🤣🤣🤣
My truck is 24 years old
@@TheSleepingonit my 2005 daytona ram has sheet metal twice as thick as my 2013!!!!LOL!!!!!
People don’t have a choice. The want a vehicle and have to choose from what is available.
@1985230ce you just want new so you buy new but alot ot newer cars wont last like the old cars you still find on the road. Now if everone said to the car manufacturers we want car that last or we wont buy them then they will try to make cars like Toyota that last.....
@@berardoferrari wow
Ford does this on purpose knowing you'll have to come back for repairs or spend money on repairs
Of course they do.
my 100% thoughts exactly. Dealers gotta eat, too (not that this is an ethical way to go about it)
Or motivate you to trade it in thinking the Ford dealership will give you the best trade in value.
thanks to electronic assistants there are less crashes so obviously they gotta generate income some other way
@@gregorynunes51 yeah without a doubt in my mind and aren't afraid to charge you for it I can't only imagine how much money they make off from it
One time use oil pan really made me sit back.... Like wtf
Ford engineering is great for blood pressure not oil pressure 😂
Not even that.
😂😂😂😂
LMAO
Like all manufacturers, some of their stuff is good, some great, and some absolutely sucks!
The problem is you don’t know about this type of shit like this until it’s a problem. By then it’s too late.
Exactly. This should be criminalized! Bad for costumers and the environment
That's not the amazing part...the amazing part is that there are STILL people who will buy a new Ford to replace their old Ford...
Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. If it wasn't for Ford, our tools would rust.
Hey I like that
👏👏💯😄
Great rhyme!
While I owned my GM cars, my tools were kept shining. Then 13 years ago I bought a Toyota..... Those once shiny tools in the shed since became very rusty since then.......
I don't mind my tools getting rusted. It's so much easier to replace them by just going to the shop. That's the diy kinda thing I love to do. 😂
I wanted to buy a Ford F150 but the cam phaser failures and rubber belt oil pumps scared me off. Bought a 2019 Tundra 5.7L with 42k miles instead. No issues.
I honestly think they’re letting businessmen design these cars. They don’t have engineers anymore, it’s just a conference room to discuss how cheap they’re going to make everything.
Welcome to all of corporate America. I'm literally experiencing this type of shit daily with companies buy out smaller businesses that were family owned. Corporate comes in, spends hundreds of thousands to do the same shit that was flawless for 30 years and done for a few thousand. All for the sake of "standards". Meeting after meeting. No one has any clue what they are doing, lots of trial and error and mistakes. Hundreds or thousands of hours wasted. None of them will call out the wasted time or they wouldn't get to ride the gravy train into the ground.
This would be the undoing of our country. Perhaps we will actually get some competition so that these stupid corps fail and have to do some actual work!
Unfortunately, the "Bean Counters" get the final say.
We've reached the bottom- building cheaper and cheaper. Then you arrive here.
@@warrenb8228 why Boeing's reputation is being dragged down. Profit over quality. Wrong people in charge.
There is even a wording in Germany for that. "Peter Prinzip", in English Peter Principle, saying that at some point in every industry and every company, a person without any knowledge about their job will get promoted to a super important position and starts making wrong and/or bad descisions, because all they care about is money.
Disposable vehicles
All vehicles are disposable, and they've always been.
More expensive, more disposable now adays
Do not buy
@@GusMahnyou couldn't be more wrong.. at one time you could actually work on your vehicle it was actually built for the customer to work on it and maintain their vehicle.. now it is the total opposite you cannot work on your own vehicle and they do not want you working on your vehicle..
All vehicles are disposable fool.
And this is why I’ll NEVER buy a new Ford truck.
I’ve never had any serious problems with FORD’S V8 engines. But, some of their V6s don’t look very attractive.
I wanted a Ranger Raptor, but it’s 3.0 is same design as this. Trash.
I love Ford just not new stuff
Fr this is why Toyota is on top
Buy a V8
Designed obsolescence is criminal.
Henry Ford would piss his grave if he’d seen this video about a Ford product
He'd be upset if he saw how _poorly_ they were being paid
As long as the cash is rolling in and investors are happy they dgaf!
Yep
Not necessarily. Henry said he'd give the cars away for free if he could control the parts supply.
After the model A it ll wen down hill
As a mechanic this doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Cars are designed to be throwm in the bin as soon as the warranty is up. Its not like the old days when they made cars to last longer then the customer.
I didn't get to experience it, but I miss the 90s...
Didn't the motors in the old days only last an average of up to 100k miles before requiring a rebuild?
are toyotas and hondas more reliable then domestic brands?
@theotheleo6830 yeah but you could also rebuild in your backyard with some basic power tools and make it last another 100k
@@theranger08-lf6wq But the vast majority of car owners didn't have the know how. Modern motors are built to last over twice that much.
This kind of ford engineering needs to be known by everyone. Thanks for the good catch!
Don't blame the engineers for the work of the accountants. The advantage of this design is that if someone changes their oil themselves and they don't know they have to use a special rubber-safe oil, then there's a 100% chance that belt will break and the warranty will expire.
Imagine how brilliant this idea is. A large percentage of Ford vehicles will have their warranties voided before normal problems start. This way other parts can be more substandard without Ford shelling out cash to fix them.
Call it anti-engineering
@@ryelor123diabolical
I stopped buying American cars since mid 80s. Junk.
@@garygallant5390 euro cars do it too
The question is not why Ford as usually has a design flaw..But why people still buys their crappy cars
What we have here is an entire generation of mechanical engineers who have never rebuilt an engine, have never welded anything, didn’t have shop class of any sort.
They are virtual world engineers, not a minute of reality involved.
Engineers always have to bend to the accountants and CEO. I'll bet that belt costs a lot less per unit than a couple gears
DEI
As a Mechanical Engineer, I agree with this message. There are several I've felt with that did not deserve their degree, but the standards were lowered so women and minorities could become engineers.
@@87fordmustangthanks Affirmative Action NOT🙄
@@87fordmustangWe need to go back to our roots. F this.
The ‘wet belt’ timing chain is one of the biggest design cons by Ford leading to the catastrophic failures of many Transit van engines as well as other car models in the UK !
It’s an absolute disgrace !
Don't worry the other brands are just as bad and I definitely ain't no Ford fan
Every manufacturer and even Toyota has started in that direction.
Since you seem to live in the UK, beware of Peugeot, Opel/Vauxhall and Citroen's "1.2 PureTech" engine. Each of these tiny 3 cylinder built before may 2023 came with that exact type of wet timing belt and caused many issues to their owners... (me included 🥲)
@@clemuche2694 yes, you’re right, all of those 3 cylinder engines will eventually fail, no doubt about it.
How those manufacturers signed these engines off is beyond me and l’m no mechanic !
Brilliant, a rubber belt in hot oil. What happened to gear or chain drive? Not enough failures? One time use oil pan? Why are we worrying about mpg if we are throwing away natural resources by having one time use parts when we used to have oil pans that could be taken off a blown engine and put on another engine after being built?
I recently heard about this, crazy inefficient design.
And people can’t understand how American Auto Manufacturers are having trouble selling cars and trucks.
It's the same crap with every manufacturer now, no matter where they are built. Yes, even Japan.
Who would have thought customers will keep coming back to buy well built, reliable vehicles?
they're not, these engines are EVERYWHERE in the ford transit. The ford transit is dominating the USA.
My belt broke! Engine replacement. (Ford Mondeo)
Planned obsolescence
Panned obsolescent
To a T!
Sad
Just like the Apple iPhone.
You took the words right out of my mouth
They get more expensive with cheaper designs 😂 how cool is that 😂
Dude! 💯
Laden with tech and safety features, those things cost money. Turns out being stuck on the side of the road, or broke, is nether safe nor convenient.
@@kftc1980 as long as you are not mentally broke you will be alright
@@FelixGuzmanMartinez I’m all right, I only drive old Toyotas/Lexus and fix them myself. I try to steer others in the right direction…
@@kftc1980 🫡
I’m surprised they’re haven’t been any whistleblowers exposing the weird reasons that Car companies now have for completely absurd design choices.
Buy Toyota, do not buy American junk.
@@mknone40what the new one's that are blowing up
Made to break. Not like products of yesteryears.
Planned obsolescence
@@mknone40 Toyota trucks are having rod bearing failures at 8,000 miles.
Built to last, till the new one comes out.
"Built Ford Tough!" is really an antiquated term now.
Tough on your wallet.
That’s why people put Chevy engines in their Fords. You Never see it the other way around.
No, it's correct, it's clearly meant as a warning.
Now your trash bags and your engine parts are disposable.😅
That sound on Ford commercials when the Built Ford Tough hits the ground is the sound of the engine tying up from a broken oil pump belt. BAM!