I purchased the Timney Alpha and the Johnny Glocks Timney Combat Conversion Kit plus his Timney Enhanced Vex trigger shoe upgrade - making the trigger setup just under $400 - and it still doesn’t work.
@@bunnyoperator ordered the parts separately, installed it myself. I’m having a grinding or friction issue which also creates a timing issue. My slide at times doesn’t return to battery and it causes all sorts of malfunctions.
@@harisbabic333 Thanks for providing the info. It's unfortunate that Timney and shops that run the Alpha aren't openly advising that the Alpha requires fine tuning to get it to function. This is probably why JG alludes that folks should send in their parts, if not entire frame, to him for fitting.
Yeah that's prob why they won't send me a new trigger bar which is fine I ran another 100 rds through it yesterday with about half of them being fast shooting and it's been perfecto...only thing I need is a trigger housing with post travel screw and I would trust it to carry
This review is too factual and “science-y” for me. I like my reviews delving 3 to 4 hours on how “a buddy” observed a problem, another 2 hours into how the Vlogger “felt” and the rest with recommending another untested product as a replacement. 😎
This video was painful to watch, i will throw that gun off a cliff if it cost me a match which it will. Thanks for the video, almost bought one. Guess i will stick to oem trigger with a polish job
I installed the Gen 3/4 Alpha Trigger with the aftermarket trigger spring on my Shadow Systems DR920 Elite and after 420 rounds (combined indoor gun range and outdoor USPSA Steel Pistol match), not a single light strike issue occurred whatsoever. But what I did differently was I had this trigger professionally installed by a Glock gunsmith. I didn’t want my lack of experience and knowledge causing the malfunction.
@@alexancheta9562 Thanks for the details. Did your smith indicate what needed to be done or tweaked, if at all? The Shadow products are reverse engineered off the Glock Gen 3 TDP, so the specs can vary in addition to the more performance oriented components used for the guts. The data is always useful to help determine the issues folks are experiencing.
I have a paperweight psa dagger atm...dagger frame, dagger slide, dagger threaded barrel. Timney alpha glock competition trigger, ndz g17 gen 3 pieces for the rest of the smaller pieces except the slide lock lever. Thats from tyrant and i have a comp from them as well. Shadow systems fire control group ndz extractor and engraved backplate. Put a swamp fox red dot and cross armory co-whitness sights. I also have a gogun gas pedal. So my budget pistol is not a budget friendly build....and is getting light strikes at the moment so i have a ghost 6 lb firing pin spring coming. Im confident it will work.
@@jeremybutler2578 Keep us posted. Check to see how the Alpha's vertical extension is engaging the plunger as well. The timing variance should give you an idea if your spring will work.
No shade but at 14:20 if your going to shoot that slow you might as well put the oem Glock trigger back in and not worry ever again. Respectfully...but thanks...you just saved me money though
No worries. That was deliberately slower paced after putting the Agency back in post Alpha failures. You'll probably find that my cadences vary across the vids depending on what I'm doing. Footage is footage. NDB.
Good that your sample and config works? Do you mind sharing what your setup is? Do report back as time goes on. Some folks here and my personal peers have reported failures down the line.
Have this trigger in my sct frame with heavy striker spring . The trigger safety shoe was rubbing the frame not letting the trigger reset. A very light sanding at the contact area made it worked perfect . A very Slight downward bend on the trigger bar where it meets the sear got rid of and creep. I have 500 rounds through it with no failures .
Thanks for all of the detailed information. Very helpful. With this trigger I've had light strikes only with ammo that has Berdan primers. And reset issues too. Swapped in the red spring and it's been fine so far.
I purchased the Timney Trigger for my Glock 31 Gen 4. My problem is the trigger will not reset. At bench it functions just fine. At the range, 2 shots are good, then the trigger will not reset. Usually it takes several minutes to get the slide off the frame. Then at the bench it functions, but upon firing a couple of rounds the trigger is dead.
I installed the Timney Alpha Pro trigger in my G17, Gen3. I would get one light primer strike per 400rds. and the unit totally failed at 5500+ rds with continual light primer strikes. I will get a new assy. from Timney per their lifetime warranty, after I send them (at my expense) my broken one, but I ordered a ZEV Tech trigger assy. and will try that next. IMO, the stock Glock trigger makes the gun feel pedestrian and not fun to shoot, especially compared to my 1911 trigger.
Thanks for the data. That's unfortunate. The Alpha definitely requires tuning to get it to function properly. Timney just isn't open about that in the product description. Super misleading.
I have a Glock 43x mos, I was thinking of purchasing the Timmey Alpha Glock Gen 5. Has the issues with the malfunctions been addressed as of this time. Would anyone recommend me buying this product. Thank you for anyone willing to share their thoughts and advice.
It does not appear that they have ironed out the issues nor have they publicly addressed the various folks with problems. You may or may not have issues but you really should not get it for anything other than dedicated range use.
My problem is my PSA Dagger with the Timney trigger it doesn’t fully reset after being shot, I have to manually push it forward to use it. So damn annoying, I spent way more than what a regular trigger would be all to be f**ked. I hate my Dagger now because of it and I should love it, such bullshit. Every Geiselle trigger that I’ve installed in an AR never gave me any trouble, I was immediately happy to spend my money then. But with this Timney I have resentment…and I bought two. F**k me.
I would never say that 1 light Strike out of 100, 200 or 1000 shots is acceptable. No light Strike at all os acceptable! If you are a serious competitor you can have no light strike at all. When I had the zev pro trigger I had no light strike. With timney that are quite often.
It was acceptable given the conditions of identifying the issue. Given the shut-down era of ammo it wasn't uncommon to have ammo related malfunctions. Clearly, it's the trigger causing the issues after the data was collected. I wouldn't hardline reject something without understanding causation. That's just irresponsible if the intent is diagnosing the issue or evaluating a product.
I have 3 Alphas. I have had one for a month in a gen 4 19, around 750 rounds through it. I have a gen 3 17 with about 500, and a gen 5 19 with about 500 through it. I have had zero malfunctions. If I have any, I will immediately admit it and look for a fix, but so far I have had none. It could be that mine are very new and are updated.
It's very possible. This video is over fairly old now and I have not seen any recent examples in person, so I cannot confirm what Timney is currently doing with the Alpha. The last update that I saw was the addition of the dimple to the vertical extension.
I have reset problems with the Timney. I have done many triggers on many platforms and this trigger is terrible from a tolerance standpoint. I shoot USPSA and will never endorse their triggers in my training classes.
I shoot M class in USPSA Production with nothing more than polishing and a Glock 'minus' connector. No amount of "upgrade" is worth it if you sacrifice reliability. The more skill you have, the less of these trigger systems you'll need to rely on. There are guys at the range with Timney and JGlock triggers and they are undoubtedly 'nicer' than my setup. But mine goes bang each and every time. Sometimes that adage of "less is more" is absolutely true.
Even OEM components fail or can be limited ergonomically to the individual but that's not the point of the video. People can decide for themselves what works for them and we can see from the comments that there are still folks that favor the Alpha. This video is just one data point.
Had an Alpha in my 19x and no problems but now i switched to an 19 Gen5 and let it Stock . Its a shtf and in my mind there is no room for funny Triggers .Best greetings from Austria 🤘🏻
@@bunnyoperatorYes it was 100%Factory 👍🏻 But to be fair - Maybe i dont shoot enough to find any Issue with the Timney ! I think i run 250 Rounds trough it . I am absolute on your side Sir! It would real piss me off if it fails everytime in a competition ☹️
Have both Gen3 Timney Alpha in my G17, and Gen5 Timney Alpha in my G45. Both triggers purchased early 2021. All stock Glock springs with Glock minus “-“ connectors. 2k-4k rounds on G17. 4K-6k rounds on G45. With all types factory new ammo n factory reloads. Not one single issue on either. I regularly shoot IDPA and occasional USPSA. Only mod I made to Timney trigger was the original kits shipped with one L-Spring which caused trigger pull to be very light and consequently caused a slow trigger reset since same spring used for both. I replaced L-Spring with a McMaster L-Spring; #9287K78, 1lb, 2.25coils, 0.187” shaft diameter. $4.19ea. Had to trim the legs slightly but now have 4-4.5lb trigger pull and snappy reset. I prefer the heavier trigger pull and find that I don’t feel it since Timney is a single stage trigger and not 2 stage as in the stock Glock trigger. When Timney came out with the heavier L-Spring due to slow reset complaints, I gave that a try on both my Glocks, but found I much preferred the reset response using the McMaster spring. My shooting buddy got his Timney Alpha around the same time I did for his Gen3 G19, and also has experienced no issues whatsoever in over 3k rounds. I guess we’re some of the lucky ones with no issues. Hope this helps.
Thank you for your data point. I have also read up of folks swapping their trigger return springs for ones found at the local hardware store. It is pretty much a "use with caution and monitor" trigger. There are too many issues reported for anyone to trust these wholeheartedly and you are correct that there are the lucky examples out there. It is very concerning that so many of these have reported issues, and I am continuously receiving more examples each week. So far the Enhanced Feel Shoe isn't giving me issues but time will tell with that one. Stay tuned for updates as more data is collected.
Bad company get a glock performance trigger put a overwatch shoe on or a apex best in business. Good video I know johny re builds but a trigger shouldn't cost 300 plus .
I have a GPT and still evaluating. So far I don't notice a difference in use. Dry-firing for sure there's a difference. The OEM GPT shoe is a little wide for my taste, and if I decide to keep I'm definitely changing the shoe BUT now we get into increasing costs of a trigger when the OEM triggers are perfectly suitable for most people's needs. Overwatch is cool; a little weird of a company though. Apex, I dislike their stuff personally, so I don't use them.
I put the timeny alpha in my PSA Dagger, the break is fantastic, and the reset is too. The pre travel however feels like ass, and very frustrating. Also the tool that is supposed to adjust the pre travel screw didn't fit well and completely stripped my screw head. I had got it to screw in just a bit, and it was too much, i lost blade safety function. I really had a hard time backing that screw back out, and destroyed any future adjustments possibilities.
Think you had bad luck. My setup P80 17 slide Threaded barrel Ghost connector Timney trigger (of course) Only light strikes I have ever got was when using rifle primers on 9mm. Fixed that with a longer firing pin and now I can use magnum primers and rifle primers in 9mm.
Myself and many others had that same bad luck. Comment section is filled with them as well as positive reports, so it's clear that it's not a fluke but a problem at the Timney end. They even released a firing pin and connector kit for 80 bucks more that only works with the Alpha. Go figure, they knew they had a problem. Yours isn't exactly OEM either, and we've found that aftermarket parts tend to have better success rates with the kit.
Thank you very much for Video I have a big issue with Trigger Rest on this Timney Alpha trigger for GEN 5. Small issue immediately after intial installation, and after atlist 1000 rounds become a big issue: Stop to reste
I have almost 3000rds through mine and never had a single hiccup. I am running a Nomad 9f frame, factory 17 gen5 slide, Timney kit with Johhny Glocks combat conversion, all other parts are stock gen5. It’s perfect. This gun has sidlined my M&Ps and PDPs.
The JG conversion alters the Alpha from its factory configuration as was the point of this test. Even then some have reported that they still experienced light strikes and sent back to JG for fine tuning.
I have a 1000 rounds through my new g19 gen 3 (CA) and the first mod I added before shooting was the timney trigger. Everything else is stock. I'm shooting Fiocchi reloads and I havent had a single malfunction.
That is unfortunate. I have one of these in my 19 and haven't had any issues through about 300 rds so far. I guess I will have to keep a close eye on it from here forward. Great vid
Hard to say without physically analyzing your setup. Frankly, just put your OEM stuff back and get a refund if you don't understand the platform enough. It would probably save you less headaches.
TA with lite polish on trigger bar + connector smooth and tight no issue so far under 150 rnds G19 gen5, TA feels similar to GPT shooting to back to back at the range.
Let us know of your configuration for data The comments in this video are the most interesting as folks are reporting quite a bit of unique issues beyond light strikes. Take a gander in case you start experiencing problems.
@@Paper4150 Thanks. Keep monitoring and report back if you experience issues. Some folks have reported experiencing problems later on. It is also suggested that Timney not only has a new firing pin connector kit, but also now a new trigger bar design as of this month. I have yet to confirm the latter but I have confirmed that the FP/Connector kit did not solve the light strikes a buddy was experiencing.
Does your trigger bar with a dimple at the vertical extension? SS did alter their design a from oem G, so good to know your example is working with those parts. Keep it going and report back.
@@bunnyoperator yeah firing pin damaged Contacted Timney they want me to send my firearm out but I already took it to a trusted gunsmith. They advised to not to use the timney trigger with my Zev OZ9 slide. I mean I think I speak for everyone, there’s no point to keep it a Glock completely stock with just a trigger. I’m kinda annoyed about it
There must be an issue with your firing pin block..it might be that the trigger bar does not push firing pin block fully so as it causes premature setting of your firing pin that causes dud or light strike on the primer,just check on that and you'll be fine..GlockDoctor
I suspect that's exactly what it is. I am using OEM slide components, and have swapped slides to the same result. The test confirmed that the Alpha did not work with OEM components as they advertised and it's not the end user's responsibility to make their trigger work.
@@bunnyoperator saw a guy use a clear backplate and try an mic striker distance. .5mm less on the Timney the recommendation was to go to a 6 lb trigger spring to make up for the lost spring compression/ firing pin velocity. Agreed though, Timney should do a little more research although this is designed for a Glock not a polymer 80 mine didn’t work in my polymer 80 either. False resets wierd trigger feel. GTG in my dagger, with a lil massaging on the frame for the safety blade.
@@bunnyoperator no light strikes but when the trigger resets, it does just enough to be able to shoot again but not enough to where the red safety sticks back out, so basically I could take my next shoot just pulling the side of the trigger without touching the trigger safety. it's taking a long time to stick out, in some case 5 -8 seconds after I release the trigger. I feel like the red spring is still to weak and also the trigger safety rubs ever slightly with the frame and it delays it.
@@JC-gy5bh That's the same issue I experienced initially with the 2nd trigger. The sticky tab on mine eventually went away on it's own but it's definitely concerning. It could be the pretravel adjustment on yours but might not be considering that it resets enough to fire.
I just sent mine back to Timney for the exact same issue. I am sick of companies treating us like beta testers. Any compromise to reliability in the Glock platform is unacceptable. This product will cost you a match in a race gun and cost you your life in a carry gun.
That sucks, man. Are they refunding you or are you exchanging? I will probably give the new Glock trigger a shot on the Gen5 to see what that's about. They seem to have executed the concept better.
@@bunnyoperator I am having issues with my gen 3 alpha trigger as well. Only a few light strikes but the trigger is sluggish regardless if I'm using the silver or red spring, however it's slightly better with the red spring. My buddy has the gen 5 trigger and hasn't had any issues yet so that's a good sign. I will probably just end up taking a loss on this if they can't seem to fix the issue for you, and I'm not going to pay more money for shipping just to ultimately get back a trigger that still doesn't work.
@@chrisredfield6232 That's unfortunate. You can see if they or the vendor you got it from will refund you. Did your vertical extension have a dimple on it? Does your buddies? That's the indication that it's a Gen2, and if yours does then it seems that the alleged improvements weren't enough.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Would you mind sharing which gen a Alpha and your pistol config? Did the Alpha's bar have a dimple at the vertical extension?
This guy talks too fast and it just makes my head hurt listening to him. If he would slow down a tad bit then he would have a great channel but I can't hardly understand all that gibberish damn
Naw, this is definitely a trash-tier channel and it will be kept that way. You can playback at slower speeds using the YT settings. That might help your headaches. Advil helps too.
@@bunnyoperator I never said your channel was trash or bad at all, just said you talk too fast but you can't take constructive criticism without getting your Vagina hurt so f*ck off little boy.
Reliability is one of the primary features that established Glock with law enforcement, the military, and the general public. Anything third party gizmo that hinders that reliability is junk, and should not even be on the market. I had the same problem with high capacity mags for the G43. A handgun must fire EVERY time. Anything less is unacceptable.
I just installed this trigger in my gen4 g19, nothing but problems. Dead trigger, light primer strikes on 20 out of 50 rounds. Garbage. The best thing for a Glock remains the 0.25 cent trigger job
I have an alpha in my gen 3 with about 150rds of blazer brass no issue. If I have any problems though I'll report back. No modifications to the kit I am however running a lighter safety plunger spring from a zev trigger kit. I forgot that was in there. That said if I was buying a kit today I would buy the Glock performance trigger and use the timney shoe. (If you can, have not tried)
@@bunnyoperator it's possible. I got the kit early on when they first hit the market and don't shoot that particular pistol that often but I'll send some lead down range and see what happens. So far it's been alright, but it's still not the best trigger I have. I have a really good feeling apex ffs in an M&P that's pretty clean and a Gray Guns comp kit that's pretty buttery too. I like the idea, but glock did it better by retaining the cruciform.
@@tokin420nchokin Agreed. I suspect the majority of the issues folks are experiencing is due to the unretained trigger bar. There's enough play to cause shift during movement and mess with timing.
Had the same issue on my just installed Alpha in a Gen3....two fired out of 10 and primer strikes were unbelievably light. Used the supplied .035 hex bit and backed out the take-up screw a turn/turn & 1/8th and problem solved. Compared cases to OEM trigger fired cases and primer strikes were just as deep. Viola - problem solved. I kinda figured this was the issue because the same remedy is used when installing the Sweet Pea trigger in the Ruger LC9S Pro.
Thanks for the info. Interesting that the pre-travel adjustment affected your trigger in that manner. I wonder if it physically changes how the system sits in the frame.
My glock 19x with alpha trigger went off without me pressing the trigger today at a match. Happened during a reload when I slammed a new magazine in with a round in the chamber.
Woah. Yours might be the first example reported directly to me. Was your 19X OEM otherwise? Do you know which Gen Alpha it was as in if it had a dimple at the vertical extension?
@@bunnyoperator all sock internals other than the trigger. I am running a Grey ghost slide other than that the whole gun is stock. Not sure what generation the trigger is. I don't think it has a dimple. I'll check later. I ripped it out yesterday and put the factory one back in. Ordered a glock performance trigger today.
I have seen that on a few examples. Timney CS would recommend that you bend the vertical extension but that may or may not resolve that particular issue. One person reported their vertical extension snapping after pending, which is really not a good indication of quality material.
My Timney trigger in my Gen 5 Glock 34 started failing to reset yesterday. I’m going to look at the internals today. Sucks that so many are having this issue.
You're not the only person this has happened to. Mine failed during a match, and a few others have reported 100% success until later when they started experiencing 60-80% failure.
I just installed mine again with a stock striker spring this time. Last time I had so many LPS that it was not shootable. That was with a 3.5 pound firing pin spring. Wish me luck. lol
@@bunnyoperator Timney sent me an updated tigger bar so they say. But I'm still getting lps. I'm going to try a factory 5.5 lb firing pin spring and a 6.0 lb. And go back to my factory trigger safety plunger and spring. Will see what happens. If this doesn't work I give up. Going back to my dependable Apex.
It's a timing issue caused by the trigger bar being un-captured. There is side to side play under travel and the vertical extension doesn't engage the firing pin block/plunger at the same location consistently. This is what's causing the FP to contact the plunger and strike primers lightly. You can tune your connector and other components like using a longer plunger but that goes beyond being a user drop-in design as claimed.
I doubt itll work but i just got mine in and i have a glock 19 gen 5, everything is stock beside the slide stop. Ill be shooting soon and im hoping i have a bit more luck. I know timney has this trigger specified for certain generations and i made sure to get it for gen 5. Funny enough i had a timney ar trigger and it had lps for around 50 shots and after that it just worked. Ill come back here to tell you if i have any issues ill probably run at least 200-300 rounds
I have a gen 3 and gen 5. Gen 3 had 2 light strikes out of 100 and gen 5 has pretty serious striker drag and cant get teigger to reset. Going to polish the hell out of it and go from there
@@redbeard7376 Pls do. The more data the better to help others. Do you mind sharing your configuration? Is your 19 all OEM otherwise? Do you know if your Alpha has a dimple at the vertical extension? Thanks
@@bunnyoperator I'm not sure about the extension. I got the trigger in June, whatever they were doing for gen 5 then,. Stock aside from a 507C optic and a light. Internals stock aside from the trigger. Also got the gun in June.
@@redbeard7376 Next time you pull your slide off look at the "shark fin" on the trigger bar and see if there's a dimple on it. That'll let you know if it's the latest version. The older ones didn't. The dimple was added to help keep the bar aligned under travel allegedly.
Report back with your experiences. Check the trigger bar to see if there's a bump at the vertical extension. That should show that it's "gen 3" of the Alpha design.
Only issue I’ve had is reset. I actually think mine seems to get dirty from the gun powder along the trigger bar against the frame. I cleaned it and had no issues after that. I do keep an even on powder build up.
Sticky trigger is a common complaint with the Alpha. The choice to position the TRS where it is combined with the anemic spring choices seems to be the causation. I'm glad that you haven't experienced issues otherwise. Do you mind sharing your pistol internals configuration and whether or not your Alpha has a dimple at the vertical extension?
The only thing I installed was the trigger kit the way it comes. I have no other upgrades to the gun and it’s a Glock 34 Gen 5. I’ll have to check the other part you mentioned when I get off work.
I have two Timneys, in a gen 3 and a gen 5. Neither were fully functional until I got rid of the aftermarket connectors and put in OEM dot connectors. All has been well for about 3500 rounds between them until yesterday when the gen 5 didn't ignite one single Fiocchi small pistol primer.
Thank you for sharing your experiences. Was that failure to ignite a one time thing or multiple times? I am getting mixed experiences from folks. Some are experiencing issues at the cross-section/cruciform end and others at the vertical extension/fin end or a combination of both.
Timney trigger made my ZP Glock 17L go automatic. Scared the shit out of me. It doesnt reset at all. Still troubleshooting it. What do you call 2 bullets come out with one trigger pull? It double taps itself.
@@bunnyoperator I'm just giving you a hard time 😂. Timney definitely needs to create a gen 2 version of this trigger with problems fixed. I bought one for my gen 5 had terrible problems with light strikes. After watching your video and a few others I decided not to F with it and I boxed it up and returned it for a refund. Accepted the fact that if I wanted a trigger that good and have it be reliable I would have to buy a Stacatto.
@@Robbie6298 I gotcha, brother. I actually think they're on Gen 2.5 or potentially even 3 now. There's even a firing pin + connector kit now for 80 bucks more. I installed on a buddy's Gen5 after his Alpha started having problems. So far 1 light strike out of 100 rounds, which is better than before but more time is needed to see if it made a difference. Before it was a 40% malfunction rate.
I run Timney triggers on two Glocks (G17 and G45) and 2 Shadow Systems (XR920 and MR920) with over 5,000 rounds combined and zero malfunctions. Sorry about your troubles but I doubt it is the trigger that is causing the issue.
Please provide your details of your setups. Are your internals OEM? What gen is your G17? Shadow Systems "Glocks" aren't exactly OEM either, so they don't apply to the test here. You assume that it's not a trigger problem based on your anecdote but the data from others in the comment section suggest otherwise.
@@bunnyoperator My Glock 17 and Glock 45 are both Gen 5. The Glock 45 is all OEM except for the trigger and the iron sights-which it is irrelevant. The Glock 17 has a “Minus Connector” and titanium guide rod with OEM spring. The Shadow Systems are basically “improved” Gen 4 Glocks. They are both stock except for the triggers. I understand that your data suggests a trigger problem but it is hard for me to accept your interpretation of the data when I run 4 different systems with several thousands of rounds without a single malfunction, trigger related or otherwise! If I were you I would expedite the pistol to Timney and let them sort it out since they offered. It would solve your problem and help the community that it is experiencing the same issue. Cheers friend and good luck trouble shooting this issue. I know it can be very frustrating.
@@Duda4711 Thank you for the details. It helps to corroborate other theories. I will disagree that the Shadow Systems is "stock". It may be based on the Glock platform but it is not the same just as the Zev and PSA variants are not the same. Variations in dimensions affect timing and parts compatibility. This video covers Timney's claim that the Alpha works with OEM configs without the need for a smith, which was found to be incorrect. The triggers have already gone back to Timney, and it is up to them to identify the issues with them, since neither worked in my OEM configurations including my stock G17 slide. Your suggestion to take up Timney's offer is exactly needing a smith to install the trigger, which goes against Timney's claim. Since this video, myself and others have determined geometry measurements specific to several examples of the Timney Alpha bar. The consensus is that the vertical extension does not depress the plunger enough causing interference with the striker i.e. affecting the timing. Mic-ing the parts, we've consistently determined that although the Alpha's vertical extension is longer than OEM in relation to the bar's main body, when installed our examples physically sat lower in the frame. Bending the vertical extension in addition to using a longer, aftermarket plunger such as the Apex plunger helped to alleviate the issue. We've done extensive testing, and were quite careful with our data before presenting it to avoid slandering a company's product, especially of one with such a long history of positive components. It's not just me with this experience but a collective of others inside and outside the industry, some of which received better CS than I did because they went through official company email channels while I used my personal. That was done intentionally to check Timney's CS response. Regardless, Timney's CS was top notch but their Alpha design did not live up to their claims. That was the point of this video. Their design simply did not account for the tolerance stacking that can occur, and in the several reported examples that are out there on TH-cam and the forums, they didn't accommodate for the margin of error or variances with OEM configurations. Additionally, some folks are now reporting material loss from the trigger bar. We are monitoring those closely as well. We are waiting on additional data before releasing a follow-up video. Don't discredit data because it doesn't match your experiences. Just because it didn't happen to you does not mean it doesn't happen. That being said, the Enhanced Feel Shoes that I received as replacement are performing quite well, which was expected since they don't modify the system internally.
@@bunnyoperator I commend you on your quest to identify the issue. Coincidentally, a close friend just installed a Timney on his G17 gen 4 and immediately started experiencing light strikes. I immediately assumed my arrogant attitude and told him that it was not possible. After attempting to trouble shoot his pistol for several hours I gave up and now I can trully relate to your frustration. I developed a hypothesis that the tolerances for the specs of the new batches (post Covid) are not as rigid as pre-Covid since all of my triggers are older. I thought I would pass that on to see if you can find a correlation between failiures and age of triggers. Good luck!
@@Duda4711 The data does suggest that Gen1 kits performed better although they had their own reported issues, which were supposed to have been alleviated by the C-clip addition but apparently not. Anemic reset as well but that's more of a preference thing.
@@danw7156 The connector fit the reset problem? Something is off there. See how it runs and report back with your findings. Regardless, it didn't work with OEM as claimed.
i bought it from Optics Planet on sale (lol)… yes, it had a dimple on it, actually noticed that when i removed it, wasnt sure if it was a hole at first. Great video man - surprised these triggers still have a generally good reputation unless you do some digging.
@@Tunagates22 The Alpha requires a lot of tuning to get it to work, and it's possible that dudes raving about it aren't discussing their components or that they had to tune it. Industry relations are also a thing, so they may not want to step on toes. The dimple means it's the latest version to my knowledge unless Timney released yet another revision.
I just added an Alpha kit to my Glock 41. Had it installed by a Glock certified armorer. After it was installed, I tested the trigger on a gauge and found it was releasing at 2 pounds rather than the advertised 3 pounds. At the range, found that when you follow the trigger forward to the sound of reset. It was so sensitive that it would double-tap. At this point, I would have to say that I consider it an unsafe pistol. I've contacted Timney for their advice on what I can do to get this resolved. Not sure what to do...any ideas?
I also had the issue of the trigger safety tab not resetting at first but it went away after some dry firing. Sucks you had so many issues. I've tried so many aftermarket Glock triggers yet I still haven't found any that I was really happy with. I've pretty much given up on Glocks because of it.
I've tried a buddy's M&P with the Alpha, and it's not bad. The parts replaced in their kit is equivalent to what's replaced in the Apex kit, but it's a factor of if the parts hold up. Considering the QC issues identified in the Alpha for Glock, I don't have much confidence in the M&P version for the long run but time will tell. The articulating trigger didn't feel as bad as I thought it would.
I luv your builds, do you think geissele hf barrels are worth the money. I don't have alot of money but I am about to assemble an upper and I am bout to buy a barrel
Shop around. Quality CHF chrome lined barrels are what I recommend for longevity unless you're doing a specific type of precision based build. I use primarily Centurion Arms barrels.
@@bunnyoperator I was thinking about centurion. I am either gon a do geissele or centurion, I have a range on my property so I shoot alot so definitely longevity
@@jwbennett4009 You can't go wrong with either, so pick the one with the features you want and I guess that's on sale. LOL. One of the pros to the Centurion barrels is you can add their tabbed gas block and they'll install and pin for you. One less step you need to worry about.
I had the same light strikes on my 19, swapped out to my 17 (brownells slide) rest oem and couldn't be happier. Seems to be a tolerance stacking issue.
Definitely a spec inconsistencies + tolerance stacking. Brownell's slides have been interesting as of late also. Their product review pages pretty much explains it.
@@bunnyoperator found very crispy when the trigger is pressed all the way before the trigger wall. Got it disassembled yesterday and noticed that the trigger bar twist and hit the frame when the trigger is pressed. Got the OEM trigger polished and it is way better now than this expensive Timney.
@@bunnyoperator naw, just did the mods. The apex I had to make a little anvil jig and strap it on with copper wire to hit it square with the punch. It was 3 round burst. I kinda miss it like that.
@@bunnyoperator once I told them a round discharged when cocking it, she said oh went off her normal script and said hold please… came back 5 minutes later and said we would like you to send it back and we will send a replacement..still debating a return to psa if possible or seeing if the gumsmith can make it work . One good thing about brick n mortar stores…
Where exactly? Also, I put a completely factory 35 slide and it functioned perfectly today. I then swapped a completely factory 17 slide on it and had light strikes on federal 115 ammo
@@SuperBoostedcivic on the shark fin. If there's a dimple it's the 2nd revision of the trigger bar. That just goes to show you how sensitive the design is.
Glad to say I haven't had any issues with my trigger...yet. I installed the trigger in a p80 17 frame with the red trigger spring, as well as installed a ghost 6lb striker spring due to all the videos and posts on light strikes and reset issues. So far 200 rounds no issues.
It seems to be a timing issue but everyone's individual setup seems to vary depending on parts and tolerances. I'm glad that you're not experiencing issues but continue to monitor. There was a point when I didn't experience any issues only for them to resurface the next outing. Additionally, others have reported experiencing issues later and noticeable material loss from the trigger bar.
@@bunnyoperator did u locktite the small retaining screw that you put in the bottom of the trigger housing? Possibly the screw walked out and allowed the drop in sear to move around cause excess friction? Also I think that hitting the top of the trigger bar with some sand paper could help a ton,
@@Minutes-Mils Yes, I did. As for the vertical extension our samples measured to be taller than the OEM but the Alpha physically sat lower in the frame when installed i.e. the vertical extension sat lower, and likely affecting the timing of the plunger. Removing material would be counter to our findings.
@@bunnyoperator interesting find, have you tried a different plunger spring maybe +/- the weight? I do have a reduced power plunger spring installed as well
@@Minutes-Mils One of the setups that have a higher rate of success was using a longer, aftermarket plunger such as Apex. I personally didn't do this as I was testing Timney's claim that it worked in OEM configurations without the need for a smith.
Sending mine back without even trying it. Don’t need the potential hassel when there are so many proven triggers available. Thanks for the detailed description of the issues you encountered.
I have the Timney Alpha in my G34. I have had the exact problems. I took my gun to a gun smith 3 different times. Finally, after messing with it ( fine tuning .) It seems to be running well. Close to 10k thru it now. I do think running the crap out of it has helped as well.
@@smcwhinney69 Yea, tuning is definitely required of this item. It wouldn't be a problem if they were forthcoming with it so people can decide for themselves. They claimed drop in and compatibility with OEM when it's not.
Use apex triggers in all my Glocks no problems, On one P80 build with Timney trigger went with Johnny Glock extra power trigger spring total 3 lb trigger pull and good return. Silver and red spring from timney too light for good return. Have not shot a lot of rounds but so far no problems. If I would have seen this video sooner I would not have bought the timney. Safety is my prime directive.
I had trouble in a P80 full size frame with double firing. I replaced the trigger mechanism housing with a johnny glock over travel adjustable one and the connector with a Johnny Glock polished 5.0(.) one. This completely resolved my issues. The aftermarket stuff was slightly out of spec, at least enough to matter.
FML. A year later, I purchased the Timney Alpha trigger and had the EXACT same issues PLUS it was firing upon reset. They STILL haven't fixed the issues. Ridiculous.
I installed about 10 Timney triggers never had an issue with one of them thousands of rounds. Did drop tests as well because people were claiming that I drop my gun from 15 feet onto concrete no issue. I think you guys just don’t know how to install things. Bad batch is crazy to me because I’ve been buying Timmy triggers for a long time I got 10 of them.
It's a Glock trigger. Not exactly difficult to install. You think that multiple people, multiple samples of Glocks in varying generations experiencing the same issues are user error? There is a large mix of OEM and/or aftermarket supporting parts used as well. The issue is Timney's execution of the product and the varying tolerances creating timing issues. This is well documented across the community. Timney's CS handling is varied as well not to mention their discreet updates of components and design to try and get ahead of the situation while leaving legacy users with issues screwed. I know for a fact that TTI and JG (in his Omega) has to considerably tune each Alpha installed, so it is hard to believe that your samples are simply drop and play as is let alone running OEM components like in my samples. What you can do to further the conversion is advise your configurations to help with data collection.
I have the timney trigger in a gen 5 34 and a gen 3 17L. I have had to issues with hundreds of rounds through each pistol. But my friend has had the same problems you have had with light strikes.in his gen 5 19 Thank you for your video.
Thanks for the data. The inconsistencies are the issues. I feel that it's a matter of when their system starts to fail as parts begin to wear. It's not as simple as swapping springs especially with the examples I've seen of alpha bars chipping or deforming from functional installs.
Sent my G45 in to Timney and told them to make it run. Apparently the Alpha trigger I bought was out of spec. They put in a new unit and one of they're connectors and now it runs flawlessly.
That's good that it worked out for you but it seems your malfunction experience is consistent with other. They don't have connectors on their site for sale or included with the kit, so I do find that interesting. Was there an indication of who made it?
I have a Glock 19 Gen 3 with the Alpha installed with a Travis Hailey connector. Complete Slide and barrel is a Grey Ghost Precision, so not so much Glock anymore. Absolutely no issues with various brands of ammo. This is my carry gun and I trust it. The difference between this and a stock Glock is night and day. Trigger feel is closer to my Kimber 1911. Double tapping on multiple targets is a breeze. Please spare me the BS about 3 lbs being too light for a carry gun. My trigger finger and my training is my safety.
I don't think anyone cares about your trigger pull weight. It's on you after all. Good that your combo is working well for you. Did you mod the reset spring or didn't care about the anemic reset?
The problem that a lot of people are having with the timney setup including myself is that some days it runs like a raped ape then some days every 5 rounds is a misfire. In the end the stock Glock trigger is reliable and because it's built to accomadate a larger range of tolerances and still work. The timney trigger feels so good because it has very tight tolerances and modifies the operating mechanism in a way the gun was not designed to accommodate for. I decided to return my trigger because I don't want my gun to stop working when I least expect it or start giving me problems cause its a little bit dirty. That's my take on it.
@@Robbie6298 Pretty much this. Definitely wouldn't use this system for defense purposes. OEM bar at min with whatever shoe fits your fancy should be the aim.
Speaking as a Glock owner myself, I would never expect to have a nice trigger like a race gun for reliability. I love Glock Bc they are simple and RELIABLE when stock. They just are what they are. A LEO gun designed to fire when needed to do so. The trigger tolerance gives the stressed end user the leeway to not accidentally shoot too early. Which, is not what you want in a competition. I'ts a service pistol design. Soooo yea. Its rough like Kalashnikov. Just like you can't make an F150 beat a Ferrari... (Okay hold my beer). No but really its fun to tinker and expand on wonderfully reliable and affordable platforms like Glock. But at the end of the day you either have a purpose built Frankenstein that works or is a dumpsterfire... with that said I am anxiously awaiting the arrival of my Timeney pyramid trigger for my G20 SG.... so....w will see what happens!😅
Yeah, when binary happens, It can happen faster than fully auto because your manually feeling. As soon as that striker gets pulled back, you can literally release your trigger in. If you're tempo is right, you can shoot way faster.
I purchased the Timney Alpha and the Johnny Glocks Timney Combat Conversion Kit plus his Timney Enhanced Vex trigger shoe upgrade - making the trigger setup just under $400 - and it still doesn’t work.
Damn, that sucks. You ordered the parts separately or had him do the work?
@@bunnyoperator ordered the parts separately, installed it myself. I’m having a grinding or friction issue which also creates a timing issue. My slide at times doesn’t return to battery and it causes all sorts of malfunctions.
@@harisbabic333 Thanks for providing the info. It's unfortunate that Timney and shops that run the Alpha aren't openly advising that the Alpha requires fine tuning to get it to function. This is probably why JG alludes that folks should send in their parts, if not entire frame, to him for fitting.
Ima send my Glock 29 because some how it’s not just right my other ones are good but this one is funky
@@elramo13 Keep us posted
Yeah that's prob why they won't send me a new trigger bar which is fine I ran another 100 rds through it yesterday with about half of them being fast shooting and it's been perfecto...only thing I need is a trigger housing with post travel screw and I would trust it to carry
This review is too factual and “science-y” for me.
I like my reviews delving 3 to 4 hours on how “a buddy” observed a problem, another 2 hours into how the Vlogger “felt” and the rest with recommending another untested product as a replacement. 😎
😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 Love ya, buddy.
This video was painful to watch, i will throw that gun off a cliff if it cost me a match which it will. Thanks for the video, almost bought one. Guess i will stick to oem trigger with a polish job
Yea, I didn't realize how high the struggle was until putting the vid together. Frustration during editing was doubled. 🤕
What a bunch of crap, thank you for saving my wallet
I'm glad it's helped you
I installed the Gen 3/4 Alpha Trigger with the aftermarket trigger spring on my Shadow Systems DR920 Elite and after 420 rounds (combined indoor gun range and outdoor USPSA Steel Pistol match), not a single light strike issue occurred whatsoever. But what I did differently was I had this trigger professionally installed by a Glock gunsmith. I didn’t want my lack of experience and knowledge causing the malfunction.
@@alexancheta9562 Thanks for the details. Did your smith indicate what needed to be done or tweaked, if at all? The Shadow products are reverse engineered off the Glock Gen 3 TDP, so the specs can vary in addition to the more performance oriented components used for the guts. The data is always useful to help determine the issues folks are experiencing.
From another review i was going to buy it. I decided to look at a few videos and now im not sold on the idea.
It's definitely not drop-in or compatible with oem parts that's for sure.
I love mine
I have a paperweight psa dagger atm...dagger frame, dagger slide, dagger threaded barrel. Timney alpha glock competition trigger, ndz g17 gen 3 pieces for the rest of the smaller pieces except the slide lock lever. Thats from tyrant and i have a comp from them as well. Shadow systems fire control group ndz extractor and engraved backplate. Put a swamp fox red dot and cross armory co-whitness sights. I also have a gogun gas pedal. So my budget pistol is not a budget friendly build....and is getting light strikes at the moment so i have a ghost 6 lb firing pin spring coming. Im confident it will work.
@@jeremybutler2578 Keep us posted. Check to see how the Alpha's vertical extension is engaging the plunger as well. The timing variance should give you an idea if your spring will work.
No shade but at 14:20 if your going to shoot that slow you might as well put the oem Glock trigger back in and not worry ever again. Respectfully...but thanks...you just saved me money though
No worries. That was deliberately slower paced after putting the Agency back in post Alpha failures. You'll probably find that my cadences vary across the vids depending on what I'm doing. Footage is footage. NDB.
Worked perfect out of the box.🤷♂️ on a gen3. Left in the heavier recoil spring and used the lighter trigger return spring. Zero issues.
Good that your sample and config works? Do you mind sharing what your setup is? Do report back as time goes on. Some folks here and my personal peers have reported failures down the line.
Have this trigger in my sct frame with heavy striker spring . The trigger safety shoe was rubbing the frame not letting the trigger reset. A very light sanding at the contact area made it worked perfect . A very Slight downward bend on the trigger bar where it meets the sear got rid of and creep. I have 500 rounds through it with no failures .
Thanks for the info. Don't see a lot of user end feedback on the SCTs over the P80s. Probably because it's serialized.
At the insane high price i would expect it to run flawless out the box which it clearly doesnt as claimed. No go for me
Exactly what happened with mine.
Thanks for all of the detailed information. Very helpful.
With this trigger I've had light strikes only with ammo that has Berdan primers.
And reset issues too. Swapped in the red spring and it's been fine so far.
I purchased the Timney Trigger for my Glock 31 Gen 4. My problem is the trigger will not reset. At bench it functions just fine. At the range, 2 shots are good, then the trigger will not reset. Usually it takes several minutes to get the slide off the frame. Then at the bench it functions, but upon firing a couple of rounds the trigger is dead.
That's terrible. Have you ID'd the causation?
I installed the Timney Alpha Pro trigger in my G17, Gen3. I would get one light primer strike per 400rds. and the unit totally failed at 5500+ rds with continual light primer strikes. I will get a new assy. from Timney per their lifetime warranty, after I send them (at my expense) my broken one, but I ordered a ZEV Tech trigger assy. and will try that next. IMO, the stock Glock trigger makes the gun feel pedestrian and not fun to shoot, especially compared to my 1911 trigger.
Thanks for the data. That's unfortunate. The Alpha definitely requires tuning to get it to function properly. Timney just isn't open about that in the product description. Super misleading.
I have a Glock 43x mos, I was thinking of purchasing the Timmey Alpha Glock Gen 5. Has the issues with the malfunctions been addressed as of this time. Would anyone recommend me buying this product. Thank you for anyone willing to share their thoughts and advice.
It does not appear that they have ironed out the issues nor have they publicly addressed the various folks with problems. You may or may not have issues but you really should not get it for anything other than dedicated range use.
I had other "issues" besides "light strikes "how about multiple unwarranted discharges... YIKES!
Was your trigger fully resetting?
My problem is my PSA Dagger with the Timney trigger it doesn’t fully reset after being shot, I have to manually push it forward to use it. So damn annoying, I spent way more than what a regular trigger would be all to be f**ked. I hate my Dagger now because of it and I should love it, such bullshit. Every Geiselle trigger that I’ve installed in an AR never gave me any trouble, I was immediately happy to spend my money then. But with this Timney I have resentment…and I bought two. F**k me.
See if you can return to them or exchange for something else you might like. They have other products that don't have as many reported problems.
Trigger works... Either bad install or just bad unit received.... I know dozens of guys who have it and zero issues
Obviously it doesn't work if you're stating "bad unit received." 😂
I would never say that 1 light Strike out of 100, 200 or 1000 shots is acceptable. No light Strike at all os acceptable! If you are a serious competitor you can have no light strike at all.
When I had the zev pro trigger I had no light strike. With timney that are quite often.
It was acceptable given the conditions of identifying the issue. Given the shut-down era of ammo it wasn't uncommon to have ammo related malfunctions. Clearly, it's the trigger causing the issues after the data was collected.
I wouldn't hardline reject something without understanding causation. That's just irresponsible if the intent is diagnosing the issue or evaluating a product.
I have 3 Alphas. I have had one for a month in a gen 4 19, around 750 rounds through it. I have a gen 3 17 with about 500, and a gen 5 19 with about 500 through it. I have had zero malfunctions. If I have any, I will immediately admit it and look for a fix, but so far I have had none. It could be that mine are very new and are updated.
It's very possible. This video is over fairly old now and I have not seen any recent examples in person, so I cannot confirm what Timney is currently doing with the Alpha. The last update that I saw was the addition of the dimple to the vertical extension.
WORST TRIGGER EVER MADE FOR GLOCK. I’m changing back to a factory trigger with ghost connector.
The concept was good, the execution was bad. So much potential lost. The Glock Performance Trigger did it much better.
Or it got pushed down.
I couldn’t agree with you more of these triggers are pieces of crap for your intro and Altro music couldn’t be more annoying bro
Song matches the trigger. 😂
Yeah that's weird I have a gen-5 and I put activity Timmy alpha trigger in ending up with the Dead trigger only after it shoots
It's probably frame contact paired with their weak spring provided.
Gun companies need to stop testing on people especially for something you put on a gun sort of important.
Definitely agree. That seems to be a trend over the past decade.
I have reset problems with the Timney. I have done many triggers on many platforms and this trigger is terrible from a tolerance standpoint. I shoot USPSA and will never endorse their triggers in my training classes.
There tolerances are definitely all over the place. 😂
O and sounds like expensive junk to me
I know of 4 timneys on glock platform with zero issues. I would recommend But just like with all things sometimes you get a lemon
Very true, and it's unfortunate that so many are reporting these lemons for this particular kit. Do you mind sharing details of your setups for data?
I shoot M class in USPSA Production with nothing more than polishing and a Glock 'minus' connector.
No amount of "upgrade" is worth it if you sacrifice reliability. The more skill you have, the less of these trigger systems you'll need to rely on.
There are guys at the range with Timney and JGlock triggers and they are undoubtedly 'nicer' than my setup. But mine goes bang each and every time. Sometimes that adage of "less is more" is absolutely true.
Even OEM components fail or can be limited ergonomically to the individual but that's not the point of the video. People can decide for themselves what works for them and we can see from the comments that there are still folks that favor the Alpha. This video is just one data point.
Had an Alpha in my 19x and no problems but now i switched to an 19 Gen5 and let it Stock . Its a shtf and in my mind there is no room for funny Triggers .Best greetings from Austria 🤘🏻
@@ochi5.56 💯 agree. Was your 19X factory other than the Alpha? Do you recall if the trigger bar had a dimple at the vertical extension?
@@bunnyoperatorYes it was 100%Factory 👍🏻 But to be fair - Maybe i dont shoot enough to find any Issue with the Timney ! I think i run 250 Rounds trough it .
I am absolute on your side Sir! It would real piss me off if it fails everytime in a competition ☹️
@@ochi5.56 Thank you for providing the data point.
The agency problem would be an easy fix
Yea, vibratite did the trick. 😂
Have both Gen3 Timney Alpha in my G17, and Gen5 Timney Alpha in my G45. Both triggers purchased early 2021. All stock Glock springs with Glock minus “-“ connectors.
2k-4k rounds on G17.
4K-6k rounds on G45.
With all types factory new ammo n factory reloads.
Not one single issue on either. I regularly shoot IDPA and occasional USPSA.
Only mod I made to Timney trigger was the original kits shipped with one L-Spring which caused trigger pull to be very light and consequently caused a slow trigger reset since same spring used for both. I replaced L-Spring with a McMaster L-Spring; #9287K78, 1lb, 2.25coils, 0.187” shaft diameter. $4.19ea.
Had to trim the legs slightly but now have 4-4.5lb trigger pull and snappy reset. I prefer the heavier trigger pull and find that I don’t feel it since Timney is a single stage trigger and not 2 stage as in the stock Glock trigger.
When Timney came out with the heavier L-Spring due to slow reset complaints, I gave that a try on both my Glocks, but found I much preferred the reset response using the McMaster spring. My shooting buddy got his Timney Alpha around the same time I did for his Gen3 G19, and also has experienced no issues whatsoever in over 3k rounds.
I guess we’re some of the lucky ones with no issues. Hope this helps.
Thank you for your data point. I have also read up of folks swapping their trigger return springs for ones found at the local hardware store.
It is pretty much a "use with caution and monitor" trigger. There are too many issues reported for anyone to trust these wholeheartedly and you are correct that there are the lucky examples out there.
It is very concerning that so many of these have reported issues, and I am continuously receiving more examples each week.
So far the Enhanced Feel Shoe isn't giving me issues but time will tell with that one. Stay tuned for updates as more data is collected.
Thank you for McMaster info. I can’t find exact match of k78. Can you help please
Bad company get a glock performance trigger put a overwatch shoe on or a apex best in business. Good video I know johny re builds but a trigger shouldn't cost 300 plus .
I have a GPT and still evaluating. So far I don't notice a difference in use. Dry-firing for sure there's a difference. The OEM GPT shoe is a little wide for my taste, and if I decide to keep I'm definitely changing the shoe BUT now we get into increasing costs of a trigger when the OEM triggers are perfectly suitable for most people's needs. Overwatch is cool; a little weird of a company though. Apex, I dislike their stuff personally, so I don't use them.
I put the timeny alpha in my PSA Dagger, the break is fantastic, and the reset is too. The pre travel however feels like ass, and very frustrating. Also the tool that is supposed to adjust the pre travel screw didn't fit well and completely stripped my screw head. I had got it to screw in just a bit, and it was too much, i lost blade safety function. I really had a hard time backing that screw back out, and destroyed any future adjustments possibilities.
That's unfortunate. See if they'll warranty exchange or refund you.
Think you had bad luck.
My setup
P80
17 slide
Threaded barrel
Ghost connector
Timney trigger (of course)
Only light strikes I have ever got was when using rifle primers on 9mm. Fixed that with a longer firing pin and now I can use magnum primers and rifle primers in 9mm.
Myself and many others had that same bad luck. Comment section is filled with them as well as positive reports, so it's clear that it's not a fluke but a problem at the Timney end. They even released a firing pin and connector kit for 80 bucks more that only works with the Alpha. Go figure, they knew they had a problem.
Yours isn't exactly OEM either, and we've found that aftermarket parts tend to have better success rates with the kit.
Thank you very much for Video
I have a big issue with Trigger Rest on this Timney Alpha trigger for GEN 5. Small issue immediately after intial installation, and after atlist 1000 rounds become a big issue: Stop to reste
That is definitely a common experience. Reach out to their CS to see if they have a solution for you or can issue you a refund.
Thank you very much for your advice
I have almost 3000rds through mine and never had a single hiccup. I am running a Nomad 9f frame, factory 17 gen5 slide, Timney kit with Johhny Glocks combat conversion, all other parts are stock gen5. It’s perfect. This gun has sidlined my M&Ps and PDPs.
The JG conversion alters the Alpha from its factory configuration as was the point of this test. Even then some have reported that they still experienced light strikes and sent back to JG for fine tuning.
I have a 1000 rounds through my new g19 gen 3 (CA) and the first mod I added before shooting was the timney trigger. Everything else is stock. I'm shooting Fiocchi reloads and I havent had a single malfunction.
I was also having a ton of light primer strikes.
Have you contacted Timney yet? When gen Glock is yours for? Does your trigger bar have a dimple at the vertical extension?
That is unfortunate. I have one of these in my 19 and haven't had any issues through about 300 rds so far. I guess I will have to keep a close eye on it from here forward.
Great vid
Yes, keep watching. The issues arose later for some of the folks I've spoken to.
Pretty funny it works in a gen 3 p80
That's good. What parts are you using with it?
Mine is'nt eveng fireing as in striker not being relased??
Hard to say without physically analyzing your setup. Frankly, just put your OEM stuff back and get a refund if you don't understand the platform enough. It would probably save you less headaches.
TA with lite polish on trigger bar + connector smooth and tight no issue so far under 150 rnds G19 gen5, TA feels similar to GPT shooting to back to back at the range.
Similar, although I think the GPT behaves a little more consistently. The Alpha definitely has the better shoe.
In my Gen 5 19&17 ive had zero issues
Thanks for the data. Care to share you configurations and if your Alphas have dimples at the vertical extension?
ive shot over 1000 rounds through a gen5 with a timney and no issues ever in terms of light strikes. Interesting video though.
Let us know of your configuration for data
The comments in this video are the most interesting as folks are reporting quite a bit of unique issues beyond light strikes. Take a gander in case you start experiencing problems.
@@bunnyoperator completely stock gen5 glock19 with the gen5 alpha trigger. My reset can be slow as you described but ive never had a light strike
@@Paper4150 Thanks. Keep monitoring and report back if you experience issues. Some folks have reported experiencing problems later on.
It is also suggested that Timney not only has a new firing pin connector kit, but also now a new trigger bar design as of this month. I have yet to confirm the latter but I have confirmed that the FP/Connector kit did not solve the light strikes a buddy was experiencing.
mine didnt work
That's unfortunate. Did you reach out to Timney for options?
installed mine in a SS DR920P and it's been flawless after over 700 rounds
Does your trigger bar with a dimple at the vertical extension? SS did alter their design a from oem G, so good to know your example is working with those parts. Keep it going and report back.
Wow I’ve never seen they’re trigger fail ! I’ve ran about 4,000 rounds through mine and has been perfect since day one. Maybe I got lucky 😳
Results seem to vary. It seems that early adopters have had better success than gen 2 adopters.
Brian, I put it in my Gen 4 34 and had these same issues. I had to go back to my OEM trigger.
Timney trigger destroyed my firing pins
Worked for for 200rds then stopped
@@captainohsowavy Oh, damn. What was the damage?
@@bunnyoperator yeah firing pin damaged
Contacted Timney they want me to send my firearm out but I already took it to a trusted gunsmith. They advised to not to use the timney trigger with my Zev OZ9 slide. I mean I think I speak for everyone, there’s no point to keep it a Glock completely stock with just a trigger. I’m kinda annoyed about it
There must be an issue with your firing pin block..it might be that the trigger bar does not push firing pin block fully so as it causes premature setting of your firing pin that causes dud or light strike on the primer,just check on that and you'll be fine..GlockDoctor
I suspect that's exactly what it is. I am using OEM slide components, and have swapped slides to the same result. The test confirmed that the Alpha did not work with OEM components as they advertised and it's not the end user's responsibility to make their trigger work.
@@bunnyoperator saw a guy use a clear backplate and try an mic striker distance. .5mm less on the Timney the recommendation was to go to a 6 lb trigger spring to make up for the lost spring compression/ firing pin velocity.
Agreed though, Timney should do a little more research although this is designed for a Glock not a polymer 80 mine didn’t work in my polymer 80 either. False resets wierd trigger feel. GTG in my dagger, with a lil massaging on the frame for the safety blade.
@@anubis8680 Thanks for sharing your experiences!
@@anubis8680 Nice. Thanks for sharing
I'm having issues as well with the Timney, seems like everything said was too good to be true... very disappointed with it.
That's unfortunate. Are you experiencing light strikes as well? Anything else?
@@bunnyoperator no light strikes but when the trigger resets, it does just enough to be able to shoot again but not enough to where the red safety sticks back out, so basically I could take my next shoot just pulling the side of the trigger without touching the trigger safety. it's taking a long time to stick out, in some case 5 -8 seconds after I release the trigger. I feel like the red spring is still to weak and also the trigger safety rubs ever slightly with the frame and it delays it.
@@JC-gy5bh That's the same issue I experienced initially with the 2nd trigger. The sticky tab on mine eventually went away on it's own but it's definitely concerning. It could be the pretravel adjustment on yours but might not be considering that it resets enough to fire.
Just keep them original.....polish, oil drop and learn how to use it.......don't waste your money and time.....
Not the point of this experiment.
I just sent mine back to Timney for the exact same issue. I am sick of companies treating us like beta testers. Any compromise to reliability in the Glock platform is unacceptable. This product will cost you a match in a race gun and cost you your life in a carry gun.
That sucks, man. Are they refunding you or are you exchanging?
I will probably give the new Glock trigger a shot on the Gen5 to see what that's about. They seem to have executed the concept better.
@@bunnyoperator I am having issues with my gen 3 alpha trigger as well. Only a few light strikes but the trigger is sluggish regardless if I'm using the silver or red spring, however it's slightly better with the red spring. My buddy has the gen 5 trigger and hasn't had any issues yet so that's a good sign. I will probably just end up taking a loss on this if they can't seem to fix the issue for you, and I'm not going to pay more money for shipping just to ultimately get back a trigger that still doesn't work.
@@chrisredfield6232 That's unfortunate. You can see if they or the vendor you got it from will refund you. Did your vertical extension have a dimple on it? Does your buddies? That's the indication that it's a Gen2, and if yours does then it seems that the alleged improvements weren't enough.
I don't think they're designed for duty use though. It's a strict competition trigger.
@@juniorlewalski4393 That's correct, although it doesn't function 100% for so many folks regardless.
Yeh, same problem here...geez man...i yhink ill just buy another trigger or put the glcok trigger in
Thanks for sharing your experience. Would you mind sharing which gen a Alpha and your pistol config? Did the Alpha's bar have a dimple at the vertical extension?
thanks x that buy off my list ..
Probably for the better. I get reports from people weekly about their failures even with recently acquired Alphas directly from Timney.
This guy talks too fast and it just makes my head hurt listening to him. If he would slow down a tad bit then he would have a great channel but I can't hardly understand all that gibberish damn
Naw, this is definitely a trash-tier channel and it will be kept that way. You can playback at slower speeds using the YT settings. That might help your headaches. Advil helps too.
@@bunnyoperator I never said your channel was trash or bad at all, just said you talk too fast but you can't take constructive criticism without getting your Vagina hurt so f*ck off little boy.
No issues in my Gen 3-23.
All OEM?
@@bunnyoperator Yep, all original except the trigger.
@@FrostyDeSwoleMan Ok, thanks. Keep us posted if anything unusual appears.
Reliability is one of the primary features that established Glock with law enforcement, the military, and the general public. Anything third party gizmo that hinders that reliability is junk, and should not even be on the market. I had the same problem with high capacity mags for the G43. A handgun must fire EVERY time. Anything less is unacceptable.
Wholly agree. Manufacturers should not be putting out junk that compromises function. Still no public word from Timney on the subject.
I just installed this trigger in my gen4 g19, nothing but problems. Dead trigger, light primer strikes on 20 out of 50 rounds. Garbage. The best thing for a Glock remains the 0.25 cent trigger job
Thank you for your data point. Did you reach out to Timney, and if so, what was their response?
I have an alpha in my gen 3 with about 150rds of blazer brass no issue. If I have any problems though I'll report back. No modifications to the kit I am however running a lighter safety plunger spring from a zev trigger kit. I forgot that was in there. That said if I was buying a kit today I would buy the Glock performance trigger and use the timney shoe. (If you can, have not tried)
Yup, the Zev plunger would definitely adjust timing, so your setup might continue to work until parts wear.
@@bunnyoperator it's possible. I got the kit early on when they first hit the market and don't shoot that particular pistol that often but I'll send some lead down range and see what happens. So far it's been alright, but it's still not the best trigger I have. I have a really good feeling apex ffs in an M&P that's pretty clean and a Gray Guns comp kit that's pretty buttery too. I like the idea, but glock did it better by retaining the cruciform.
@@tokin420nchokin Agreed. I suspect the majority of the issues folks are experiencing is due to the unretained trigger bar. There's enough play to cause shift during movement and mess with timing.
6 pound striker spring?
OEM
Had the same issue on my just installed Alpha in a Gen3....two fired out of 10 and primer strikes were unbelievably light. Used the supplied .035 hex bit and backed out the take-up screw a turn/turn & 1/8th and problem solved. Compared cases to OEM trigger fired cases and primer strikes were just as deep. Viola - problem solved. I kinda figured this was the issue because the same remedy is used when installing the Sweet Pea trigger in the Ruger LC9S Pro.
Thanks for the info. Interesting that the pre-travel adjustment affected your trigger in that manner. I wonder if it physically changes how the system sits in the frame.
@@bunnyoperator it allows the trigger bar to move further back mitigating obstruction with the rst of the fire control linkage
My glock 19x with alpha trigger went off without me pressing the trigger today at a match. Happened during a reload when I slammed a new magazine in with a round in the chamber.
Woah. Yours might be the first example reported directly to me. Was your 19X OEM otherwise? Do you know which Gen Alpha it was as in if it had a dimple at the vertical extension?
@@bunnyoperator all sock internals other than the trigger. I am running a Grey ghost slide other than that the whole gun is stock. Not sure what generation the trigger is. I don't think it has a dimple. I'll check later. I ripped it out yesterday and put the factory one back in. Ordered a glock performance trigger today.
@@Schultz344 I appreciate the info. It'll help others experiencing similar issues.
Did a video on what I found. If you want to see the reset issue in action feel free to watch the shit show
I have seen that on a few examples. Timney CS would recommend that you bend the vertical extension but that may or may not resolve that particular issue. One person reported their vertical extension snapping after pending, which is really not a good indication of quality material.
My Timney trigger in my Gen 5 Glock 34 started failing to reset yesterday. I’m going to look at the internals today. Sucks that so many are having this issue.
You're not the only person this has happened to. Mine failed during a match, and a few others have reported 100% success until later when they started experiencing 60-80% failure.
I just installed mine again with a stock striker spring this time. Last time I had so many LPS that it was not shootable. That was with a 3.5 pound firing pin spring. Wish me luck. lol
Prayers, my friend.
@@bunnyoperator Timney sent me an updated tigger bar so they say. But I'm still getting lps. I'm going to try a factory 5.5 lb firing pin spring and a 6.0 lb. And go back to my factory trigger safety plunger and spring. Will see what happens. If this doesn't work I give up. Going back to my dependable Apex.
@@russdennis7026 Keep me posted, buddy.
Yes, my internals were all OEM except the Timney.
@@bunnyoperator Good to know. Thank you.
Why is there light strikes when you change the trigger group? Did something happen to the firing pin and spring? Educate me
It's a timing issue caused by the trigger bar being un-captured. There is side to side play under travel and the vertical extension doesn't engage the firing pin block/plunger at the same location consistently. This is what's causing the FP to contact the plunger and strike primers lightly. You can tune your connector and other components like using a longer plunger but that goes beyond being a user drop-in design as claimed.
I doubt itll work but i just got mine in and i have a glock 19 gen 5, everything is stock beside the slide stop. Ill be shooting soon and im hoping i have a bit more luck. I know timney has this trigger specified for certain generations and i made sure to get it for gen 5. Funny enough i had a timney ar trigger and it had lps for around 50 shots and after that it just worked. Ill come back here to tell you if i have any issues ill probably run at least 200-300 rounds
@@vietnamtactical I appreciate you for sharing your future experience. Did your Gen5 Alpha have a dimple at thr vertical extension?
@@bunnyoperator yes on the trigger bar it has a dimple on it, any idea on the difference?
@@vietnamtactical Dimple means Gen2 Alpha.
I have a gen 3 and gen 5. Gen 3 had 2 light strikes out of 100 and gen 5 has pretty serious striker drag and cant get teigger to reset. Going to polish the hell out of it and go from there
That sounds consistent with what I've seen. Do both have a dimple at the vertical extension?
@@bunnyoperator no only the gen 5 does. Gen 3 has no dimple
@@brodemode8126 OK, dimple is Gen 2. Sucks that you're experiencing that issue with their latest gen.
I haven't had any issues after 900 rounds,. I guess I'll check back if there is an issue. Gen 5 Glock 19
@@redbeard7376 Pls do. The more data the better to help others. Do you mind sharing your configuration? Is your 19 all OEM otherwise? Do you know if your Alpha has a dimple at the vertical extension? Thanks
@@bunnyoperator I'm not sure about the extension. I got the trigger in June, whatever they were doing for gen 5 then,. Stock aside from a 507C optic and a light. Internals stock aside from the trigger. Also got the gun in June.
@@redbeard7376 Next time you pull your slide off look at the "shark fin" on the trigger bar and see if there's a dimple on it. That'll let you know if it's the latest version. The older ones didn't. The dimple was added to help keep the bar aligned under travel allegedly.
@@bunnyoperator Yes, it has what looks like a half circle pressed coming out of it so that must be the dimple.
@@redbeard7376 Yes, that's correct. Glad we confirmed which one you have.
I just ordered one. I hope the newer ones are in spec. Thanks.
Report back with your experiences. Check the trigger bar to see if there's a bump at the vertical extension. That should show that it's "gen 3" of the Alpha design.
Only issue I’ve had is reset. I actually think mine seems to get dirty from the gun powder along the trigger bar against the frame. I cleaned it and had no issues after that. I do keep an even on powder build up.
Sticky trigger is a common complaint with the Alpha. The choice to position the TRS where it is combined with the anemic spring choices seems to be the causation.
I'm glad that you haven't experienced issues otherwise. Do you mind sharing your pistol internals configuration and whether or not your Alpha has a dimple at the vertical extension?
The only thing I installed was the trigger kit the way it comes. I have no other upgrades to the gun and it’s a Glock 34 Gen 5. I’ll have to check the other part you mentioned when I get off work.
I have two Timneys, in a gen 3 and a gen 5. Neither were fully functional until I got rid of the aftermarket connectors and put in OEM dot connectors. All has been well for about 3500 rounds between them until yesterday when the gen 5 didn't ignite one single Fiocchi small pistol primer.
Thank you for sharing your experiences. Was that failure to ignite a one time thing or multiple times?
I am getting mixed experiences from folks. Some are experiencing issues at the cross-section/cruciform end and others at the vertical extension/fin end or a combination of both.
Use oem spring only!
The whole damn thing is if you pay that much money for it it ought to work
Agreed
Timney trigger made my ZP Glock 17L go automatic. Scared the shit out of me. It doesnt reset at all. Still troubleshooting it. What do you call 2 bullets come out with one trigger pull? It double taps itself.
Well damn. That's not good at all.
I have a solution that will work 100% of the time... Put the stock trigger back in, learn to shoot moar better.
Not the point of the experiment, and calling out companies for their antics is important.
@@bunnyoperator I'm just giving you a hard time 😂. Timney definitely needs to create a gen 2 version of this trigger with problems fixed. I bought one for my gen 5 had terrible problems with light strikes. After watching your video and a few others I decided not to F with it and I boxed it up and returned it for a refund. Accepted the fact that if I wanted a trigger that good and have it be reliable I would have to buy a Stacatto.
@@Robbie6298 I gotcha, brother. I actually think they're on Gen 2.5 or potentially even 3 now. There's even a firing pin + connector kit now for 80 bucks more. I installed on a buddy's Gen5 after his Alpha started having problems. So far 1 light strike out of 100 rounds, which is better than before but more time is needed to see if it made a difference. Before it was a 40% malfunction rate.
I run Timney triggers on two Glocks (G17 and G45) and 2 Shadow Systems (XR920 and MR920) with over 5,000 rounds combined and zero malfunctions. Sorry about your troubles but I doubt it is the trigger that is causing the issue.
Please provide your details of your setups. Are your internals OEM? What gen is your G17? Shadow Systems "Glocks" aren't exactly OEM either, so they don't apply to the test here.
You assume that it's not a trigger problem based on your anecdote but the data from others in the comment section suggest otherwise.
@@bunnyoperator My Glock 17 and Glock 45 are both Gen 5. The Glock 45 is all OEM except for the trigger and the iron sights-which it is irrelevant. The Glock 17 has a “Minus Connector” and titanium guide rod with OEM spring. The Shadow Systems are basically “improved” Gen 4 Glocks. They are both stock except for the triggers. I understand that your data suggests a trigger problem but it is hard for me to accept your interpretation of the data when I run 4 different systems with several thousands of rounds without a single malfunction, trigger related or otherwise! If I were you I would expedite the pistol to Timney and let them sort it out since they offered. It would solve your problem and help the community that it is experiencing the same issue. Cheers friend and good luck trouble shooting this issue. I know it can be very frustrating.
@@Duda4711 Thank you for the details. It helps to corroborate other theories. I will disagree that the Shadow Systems is "stock". It may be based on the Glock platform but it is not the same just as the Zev and PSA variants are not the same. Variations in dimensions affect timing and parts compatibility. This video covers Timney's claim that the Alpha works with OEM configs without the need for a smith, which was found to be incorrect.
The triggers have already gone back to Timney, and it is up to them to identify the issues with them, since neither worked in my OEM configurations including my stock G17 slide. Your suggestion to take up Timney's offer is exactly needing a smith to install the trigger, which goes against Timney's claim.
Since this video, myself and others have determined geometry measurements specific to several examples of the Timney Alpha bar. The consensus is that the vertical extension does not depress the plunger enough causing interference with the striker i.e. affecting the timing.
Mic-ing the parts, we've consistently determined that although the Alpha's vertical extension is longer than OEM in relation to the bar's main body, when installed our examples physically sat lower in the frame. Bending the vertical extension in addition to using a longer, aftermarket plunger such as the Apex plunger helped to alleviate the issue.
We've done extensive testing, and were quite careful with our data before presenting it to avoid slandering a company's product, especially of one with such a long history of positive components.
It's not just me with this experience but a collective of others inside and outside the industry, some of which received better CS than I did because they went through official company email channels while I used my personal. That was done intentionally to check Timney's CS response. Regardless, Timney's CS was top notch but their Alpha design did not live up to their claims. That was the point of this video.
Their design simply did not account for the tolerance stacking that can occur, and in the several reported examples that are out there on TH-cam and the forums, they didn't accommodate for the margin of error or variances with OEM configurations. Additionally, some folks are now reporting material loss from the trigger bar. We are monitoring those closely as well. We are waiting on additional data before releasing a follow-up video.
Don't discredit data because it doesn't match your experiences. Just because it didn't happen to you does not mean it doesn't happen. That being said, the Enhanced Feel Shoes that I received as replacement are performing quite well, which was expected since they don't modify the system internally.
@@bunnyoperator I commend you on your quest to identify the issue. Coincidentally, a close friend just installed a Timney on his G17 gen 4 and immediately started experiencing light strikes. I immediately assumed my arrogant attitude and told him that it was not possible. After attempting to trouble shoot his pistol for several hours I gave up and now I can trully relate to your frustration. I developed a hypothesis that the tolerances for the specs of the new batches (post Covid) are not as rigid as pre-Covid since all of my triggers are older. I thought I would pass that on to see if you can find a correlation between failiures and age of triggers. Good luck!
@@Duda4711 The data does suggest that Gen1 kits performed better although they had their own reported issues, which were supposed to have been alleviated by the C-clip addition but apparently not. Anemic reset as well but that's more of a preference thing.
I just installed one in my Gen 5 19…and the trigger doesn’t reset all the time. I think I’ll take it out and send it back.
That's unfortunate. Are you able to confirm if the trigger bar has a dimple at the vertical extension?
@@bunnyoperator I put in a Glock Store connector and it fixed it.
@@danw7156 The connector fit the reset problem? Something is off there. See how it runs and report back with your findings. Regardless, it didn't work with OEM as claimed.
There's literally no point in trying to run a gun. That has any problems that's not fixable with in a 1000 rhomes.
Purchased Dec 2023 - same exact issues - returned it...
Thank you for the data. Where did you buy it from? Do you recall if the vertical extension/shark fin had a dimple on it?
i bought it from Optics Planet on sale (lol)… yes, it had a dimple on it, actually noticed that when i removed it, wasnt sure if it was a hole at first. Great video man - surprised these triggers still have a generally good reputation unless you do some digging.
@@Tunagates22 The Alpha requires a lot of tuning to get it to work, and it's possible that dudes raving about it aren't discussing their components or that they had to tune it. Industry relations are also a thing, so they may not want to step on toes.
The dimple means it's the latest version to my knowledge unless Timney released yet another revision.
I just added an Alpha kit to my Glock 41. Had it installed by a Glock certified armorer. After it was installed, I tested the trigger on a gauge and found it was releasing at 2 pounds rather than the advertised 3 pounds. At the range, found that when you follow the trigger forward to the sound of reset. It was so sensitive that it would double-tap. At this point, I would have to say that I consider it an unsafe pistol. I've contacted Timney for their advice on what I can do to get this resolved. Not sure what to do...any ideas?
It's bypassing one of the safeties, likely not resetting past the plunger. Definitely reach out to Timney to let them know.
I also had the issue of the trigger safety tab not resetting at first but it went away after some dry firing. Sucks you had so many issues. I've tried so many aftermarket Glock triggers yet I still haven't found any that I was really happy with. I've pretty much given up on Glocks because of it.
We'll see how the enhanced feel shoe works out.
Yessssssss
Idk.. I have 5 timneys with 4.5 striker spring and no issues..
What are your configurations? Were any of them OEM otherwise?
@@bunnyoperator yea stock too.. I just like the 4.5 spring..
@@Tacticaltaco-kc9be Nice. Thank you for the data points.
I’m just gonna drop the money on a Johnny Glock trigger. If someone owns a m&p they should be buying a apex flatty.
I've tried a buddy's M&P with the Alpha, and it's not bad. The parts replaced in their kit is equivalent to what's replaced in the Apex kit, but it's a factor of if the parts hold up. Considering the QC issues identified in the Alpha for Glock, I don't have much confidence in the M&P version for the long run but time will tell. The articulating trigger didn't feel as bad as I thought it would.
I luv your builds, do you think geissele hf barrels are worth the money. I don't have alot of money but I am about to assemble an upper and I am bout to buy a barrel
Shop around. Quality CHF chrome lined barrels are what I recommend for longevity unless you're doing a specific type of precision based build. I use primarily Centurion Arms barrels.
@@bunnyoperator I was thinking about centurion. I am either gon a do geissele or centurion, I have a range on my property so I shoot alot so definitely longevity
@@jwbennett4009 You can't go wrong with either, so pick the one with the features you want and I guess that's on sale. LOL. One of the pros to the Centurion barrels is you can add their tabbed gas block and they'll install and pin for you. One less step you need to worry about.
@@bunnyoperator thanks for getting back to me
thank you, this explains alot. i thought im the onyl one
You're definitely not the only one. Several folks commenting share very similar experiences.
I had the same light strikes on my 19, swapped out to my 17 (brownells slide) rest oem and couldn't be happier. Seems to be a tolerance stacking issue.
Definitely a spec inconsistencies + tolerance stacking. Brownell's slides have been interesting as of late also. Their product review pages pretty much explains it.
I got one of this, and it is a completely piece of shit
What issues were you experiencing?
@@bunnyoperator found very crispy when the trigger is pressed all the way before the trigger wall. Got it disassembled yesterday and noticed that the trigger bar twist and hit the frame when the trigger is pressed. Got the OEM trigger polished and it is way better now than this expensive Timney.
@@captwig Thank you. That's the first time that issue has been reported to me. I'll note it for future.
Both my Apex and my timiny came not working out of the box. 😬🤬
Oh damn. You reached out to both shops?
@@bunnyoperator naw, just did the mods. The apex I had to make a little anvil jig and strap it on with copper wire to hit it square with the punch. It was 3 round burst. I kinda miss it like that.
@@davidshechtman4746 Always fun when manufacturer defects cause brrrrts. 😂
Guess il stick w/ the 6.5lb oem
Totally your choice. Unless you're seeking something specific, OEM will do the job.
@@bunnyoperator maybe just a 3.5 ghost or a polish job
Timney said the same thing except to bend my trigger bar
How did that go?
@@bunnyoperator once I told them a round discharged when cocking it, she said oh went off her normal script and said hold please… came back 5 minutes later and said we would like you to send it back and we will send a replacement..still debating a return to psa if possible or seeing if the gumsmith can make it work . One good thing about brick n mortar stores…
@@clayramsey019 Keep me posted. Discharge uncommanded is not good. 😂
I have the same issue with the light strikes....guess I need to stick with ZEV triggers. I have 13 with no issues.
Does your trigger bar have a dimple at the vertical extension?
Where exactly?
Also, I put a completely factory 35 slide and it functioned perfectly today. I then swapped a completely factory 17 slide on it and had light strikes on federal 115 ammo
@@SuperBoostedcivic on the shark fin. If there's a dimple it's the 2nd revision of the trigger bar.
That just goes to show you how sensitive the design is.
Nope no dimple, I looked at a new one that is still in the box that I have and it has one. Glock started having that dimple on Gen 4 trigger bars.
@@SuperBoostedcivic Right, Glock did that for left handed shooters. Timney did that to try and fix their spec issues but it didn't work. 😂
Glad to say I haven't had any issues with my trigger...yet. I installed the trigger in a p80 17 frame with the red trigger spring, as well as installed a ghost 6lb striker spring due to all the videos and posts on light strikes and reset issues. So far 200 rounds no issues.
It seems to be a timing issue but everyone's individual setup seems to vary depending on parts and tolerances.
I'm glad that you're not experiencing issues but continue to monitor. There was a point when I didn't experience any issues only for them to resurface the next outing. Additionally, others have reported experiencing issues later and noticeable material loss from the trigger bar.
@@bunnyoperator did u locktite the small retaining screw that you put in the bottom of the trigger housing? Possibly the screw walked out and allowed the drop in sear to move around cause excess friction?
Also I think that hitting the top of the trigger bar with some sand paper could help a ton,
@@Minutes-Mils Yes, I did. As for the vertical extension our samples measured to be taller than the OEM but the Alpha physically sat lower in the frame when installed i.e. the vertical extension sat lower, and likely affecting the timing of the plunger. Removing material would be counter to our findings.
@@bunnyoperator interesting find, have you tried a different plunger spring maybe +/- the weight? I do have a reduced power plunger spring installed as well
@@Minutes-Mils One of the setups that have a higher rate of success was using a longer, aftermarket plunger such as Apex.
I personally didn't do this as I was testing Timney's claim that it worked in OEM configurations without the need for a smith.
Sending mine back without even trying it. Don’t need the potential hassel when there are so many proven triggers available. Thanks for the detailed description of the issues you encountered.
Agreed. Had I known I would've passed from buying at all. The shills on social media fooled me on this.
I have the Timney Alpha in my G34. I have had the exact problems. I took my gun to a gun smith 3 different times. Finally, after messing with it ( fine tuning .) It seems to be running well. Close to 10k thru it now. I do think running the crap out of it has helped as well.
I'm now very happy with this set up. But took some time.
@@smcwhinney69 Yea, tuning is definitely required of this item. It wouldn't be a problem if they were forthcoming with it so people can decide for themselves. They claimed drop in and compatibility with OEM when it's not.
Use apex triggers in all my Glocks no problems, On one P80 build with Timney trigger went with Johnny Glock extra power trigger spring total 3 lb trigger pull and good return. Silver and red spring from timney too light for good return. Have not shot a lot of rounds but so far no problems. If I would have seen this video sooner I would not have bought the timney. Safety is my prime directive.
Agreed on their TRS being too light. I hope that your configuration works for you. Do report back if you experience issues.
I had trouble in a P80 full size frame with double firing. I replaced the trigger mechanism housing with a johnny glock over travel adjustable one and the connector with a Johnny Glock polished 5.0(.) one. This completely resolved my issues. The aftermarket stuff was slightly out of spec, at least enough to matter.
It's definitely a picky system that requires tuning
FML. A year later, I purchased the Timney Alpha trigger and had the EXACT same issues PLUS it was firing upon reset. They STILL haven't fixed the issues. Ridiculous.
Yup, folks continue to report issues up to the latest generation with mixed reviews of CS response.
I installed about 10 Timney triggers never had an issue with one of them thousands of rounds. Did drop tests as well because people were claiming that I drop my gun from 15 feet onto concrete no issue. I think you guys just don’t know how to install things. Bad batch is crazy to me because I’ve been buying Timmy triggers for a long time I got 10 of them.
It's a Glock trigger. Not exactly difficult to install. You think that multiple people, multiple samples of Glocks in varying generations experiencing the same issues are user error? There is a large mix of OEM and/or aftermarket supporting parts used as well.
The issue is Timney's execution of the product and the varying tolerances creating timing issues. This is well documented across the community. Timney's CS handling is varied as well not to mention their discreet updates of components and design to try and get ahead of the situation while leaving legacy users with issues screwed.
I know for a fact that TTI and JG (in his Omega) has to considerably tune each Alpha installed, so it is hard to believe that your samples are simply drop and play as is let alone running OEM components like in my samples. What you can do to further the conversion is advise your configurations to help with data collection.
I have the timney trigger in a gen 5 34 and a gen 3 17L. I have had to issues with hundreds of rounds through each pistol. But my friend has had the same problems you have had with light strikes.in his gen 5 19 Thank you for your video.
Thanks for the data. The inconsistencies are the issues. I feel that it's a matter of when their system starts to fail as parts begin to wear. It's not as simple as swapping springs especially with the examples I've seen of alpha bars chipping or deforming from functional installs.
Sent my G45 in to Timney and told them to make it run. Apparently the Alpha trigger I bought was out of spec. They put in a new unit and one of they're connectors and now it runs flawlessly.
That's good that it worked out for you but it seems your malfunction experience is consistent with other.
They don't have connectors on their site for sale or included with the kit, so I do find that interesting. Was there an indication of who made it?
I have a Glock 19 Gen 3 with the Alpha installed with a Travis Hailey connector. Complete Slide and barrel is a Grey Ghost Precision, so not so much Glock anymore. Absolutely no issues with various brands of ammo. This is my carry gun and I trust it. The difference between this and a stock Glock is night and day. Trigger feel is closer to my Kimber 1911. Double tapping on multiple targets is a breeze. Please spare me the BS about 3 lbs being too light for a carry gun. My trigger finger and my training is my safety.
I don't think anyone cares about your trigger pull weight. It's on you after all. Good that your combo is working well for you. Did you mod the reset spring or didn't care about the anemic reset?
The problem that a lot of people are having with the timney setup including myself is that some days it runs like a raped ape then some days every 5 rounds is a misfire. In the end the stock Glock trigger is reliable and because it's built to accomadate a larger range of tolerances and still work. The timney trigger feels so good because it has very tight tolerances and modifies the operating mechanism in a way the gun was not designed to accommodate for. I decided to return my trigger because I don't want my gun to stop working when I least expect it or start giving me problems cause its a little bit dirty. That's my take on it.
@@Robbie6298 Pretty much this. Definitely wouldn't use this system for defense purposes. OEM bar at min with whatever shoe fits your fancy should be the aim.
Speaking as a Glock owner myself, I would never expect to have a nice trigger like a race gun for reliability. I love Glock Bc they are simple and RELIABLE when stock. They just are what they are. A LEO gun designed to fire when needed to do so. The trigger tolerance gives the stressed end user the leeway to not accidentally shoot too early. Which, is not what you want in a competition. I'ts a service pistol design. Soooo yea. Its rough like Kalashnikov. Just like you can't make an F150 beat a Ferrari...
(Okay hold my beer). No but really its fun to tinker and expand on wonderfully reliable and affordable platforms like Glock. But at the end of the day you either have a purpose built Frankenstein that works or is a dumpsterfire... with that said I am anxiously awaiting the arrival of my Timeney pyramid trigger for my G20 SG.... so....w will see what happens!😅
Yeah, with my customzev. I have dead trigger. It's because you're striker. Bar is not resetting back to the upright position quick enough.
Yeah, when binary happens, It can happen faster than fully auto because your manually feeling. As soon as that striker gets pulled back, you can literally release your trigger in. If you're tempo is right, you can shoot way faster.