Theory…. In the flashback to the party on the roof when Zoe died, if you watch the background, teddy’s son Theo rushes in, not dressed for the party and looks like he’s looking for someone . I believe he’s looking for Zoe or Tim, possibly to confront them for taking the ring they stole. Zoe had the ring before the party but not on her after her death. … If you watch the teaser trailer, there’s a shot of teddy’s lucky coin and behind it is an eye looking through a peephole from a secret hidden room in teddy’s apartment. I believe when the hardy boys came into teddy’s apartment to steal, Theo was in the hidden room watching them. Teddy is not Angel, I think Angel is his son Theo, and somehow he’s either blackmailing Tim or holding it over his head which is why Tim couldn’t tell anyone Theo was involved in Zoe’s death. … Now Tim’s death… In the beginning of the first episode, Tim is getting onto the elevator from 6. I think he’s coming from Thoe’s. Theo poisoned Tim while Tim was there, then a few minutes later Tim dies back in his apartment. Then Theo sets the fire alarm off, goes up to Tim’s apartment, stages a suicide. Howard’s cat later comes in and licks Tim’s poisoned blood and also dies. Tim’s toxicology report was never sent, but Howard sent off his cat’s, so we’ll see.
Although they do joke about the daddy's little helper podcast when they are tailing mabel and Oscar and how it was the son in the podcast and it was so obviously the son because of the name of the podcast. So maybe a subtle tip of the hat to Theo being the murderer.
I think you may be 100% right! :) I still want to work in Cinda and her look-alike assistants somehow (since Cinda’s attitude in her office seemed off to me, and the detail of the look-alike assistants is so weird it just may mean something), but that may be off base - and the details certainly aren’t worked out as clearly as your theory. I was going with the idea that Theo did everything but kill Tim (although he may have even poisoned him), leaving Cinda and/or the assistants to shoot him. I’d love it if they’re still up to something somehow, but I really, REALLY like this theory. :)
That is a great eye! I went and grabbed a screengrab of Theo - he's blurry because the camera is focused on Mabel, plus its night, but that does look like Theo. Will we see that from Theo's perspective in the next episode?
Are we positive this is a “fair play” mystery? I think Oliver’s fantasy audition sequence ending with an empty stage is the show’s way of telling us that the murderer is not in that lineup. Operating under the assumption that the Big Three are innocent (since this is a multi-season show) - and excluding Oscar (who seems to have joined the team), and Sting and Anita (whose stories have been told) - building residents who were not part of that sequence include: Teddy, Theo, Jan, Arnav, Ursula, and Oscar’s father. I think that’s a better suspect list than the lineup. We may have to make assumptions as to how or why they’d be involved, rather than going by traditionally laid out clues - but I think it’s still technically fair because, through that fantasy sequence, the show did hint for us to look elsewhere. It may even work out that Tim’s killer is someone from outside the building. My bet is still that Theo killed Zoey, poisoned the animals (plus maybe even Tim, too), and left the notes (likely without Teddy’s knowledge), leaving Cinda (and/or her assistants) to shoot Tim - her way into the building being Arnav, who’s not guilty of anything other than being unsuspecting parent friends with Cinda Canning.
"fair play' mystery: Man oh man: that is the $1million dollar question, Jillian! Please Lord, let it be so. I was worried that in Oliver's fantasy audition empty stage, the only person on stage was Oliver meaning Oliver did it. Your list of 'Teddy, Theo, Jan, Arnav, Ursula, and Oscar’s father' are characters who weren't on the fantasy stage.
@@DoublePMedia Right. I think Oliver eliminating all the people in his imaginary audition line - plus the shot of him looking around at the empty stage - may be the show’s way of telling us, “The killer is not any of these people.” If we go with that, then our suspect list should be comprised of building residents who were NOT on that fantasy stage. I eliminated Charles, Oliver, Mabel, Oscar, Sting and Anita myself - which leaves Teddy, Theo, Jan, Arnav, Ursula, and Oscar’s father. (And, even though I assume they don’t live in the building, Cinda and her “Cindassistants” are still very high on my personal list as well.) That may not be ENTIRELY “fair” - as not all of these people were introduced right away, and we’re left to make assumptions as to how and why they might be involved (rather than go by solid clues) - but it may be TECHNICALLY fair since, if this is indeed the meaning of the empty stage, that was the show’s way of giving us fair warning.
Steve Martin’s delivery of “what the f-k” which was more delivered like “what … f-k?” Made me laugh the second most because the delivery was f-king incredible
In ep3 Mabel says "what if tie dye guy is Tim's fiancee" when they are looking at the evidence board. Although we know it's not tie-dye guy Mabel knows Tim on a personal level so that is a weird thing to say that Tim is gay if it isn't true. That also may be the reason Tim never told anyone who the murderer is because it is his lover. Then as Oscar is getting out of jail the murderer is scared Tim will tell someone so he murders tim. seems a little flimsy but meh🤷🏾♂️
Did you know one of Cinda’s assistants, Cindy, is played by Anne Stringfield - Steve Martin’s wife?! :) I remember seeing a picture of her at one time and thinking she looked enough like Tina Fey to be her doppelgänger - and there she is! :) I rewatched Episode 4 today, and the look-alike assistants still bugged me. I’d considered that they may just be a nod to Steve’s wife (not realizing she actually played one) - so, I decided to do a little “detective work” on IMDb to see if they’re coming back, or if they really were just fun, one-off characters. Anne’s character (Cindy) isn’t listed again - but the other one is in the final episode, and her character’s name is Poppy White. I just find it interesting that she is indeed returning AND has a full name…I’m not sure yet what the deeper connection is (if anything), and I know the info on IMDb can change at any time, but I still found it worth noting. (Also, aren’t poppies pretty flowers that were used to make drugs? Like in The Wizard of Oz, a poppy can be more dangerous than it seems. Just a thought.)
@@DoublePMedia Yep! :) She’s not the one who comes up with the “sting” tagline (that’s Poppy), but the other one - the one who tells Cinda her call is in.
Ok, hear me out, I think Theo Dimas killed Zoe and his dad covered it up. Since he is probably about Mable's age, I'll assume he's not angel, but Teddy could be, and if your're a jewelry dealer, you need to keep it somewhere safe...perhaps your house? Where a certain girl might have found a certain ring? I think maybe Theo had seen the ring around his house and accused Zoe, maybe things escalated and he pushed her? Again, if you're a jewelry dealer, odds are you have contacts inside NYPD, maybe that's how no one really investigated and it ended up being pinned on Oscar. I noticed how suspicious Theo seemed when Oliver was talking to his dad, and the way he had his phone made me thing he was maybe using some app to write the conversation so that he could understand, meaning he knew about the podcast...and poisoned the dog? Tim was probably killed by Teddy, he was leaving his floor that day, probably took the jewelry and Teddy killed him, but then the alarm went off and he didn't have time to look for his jewelry and left. He decided to sponsor the podcast to not look guilty and because it distracted attentions from him. I don't think Oscar is innocent, the way he wants to change the subject every time people talk about that day? He probably saw something happen and Teddy payed him to take the blame. Just need to know what Tim saw that night
I like some of this. But I don't think Oscar took the blame, he plead not guilty, didn't he? I do think Teddy's son is somehow involved. Teddy could be Angel because he is a theater angel.
The thing that’s made me laugh the most in the entire run of the show is Bubba’s contention that the three leads are so in demand that they may not want to do a second season.
I wonder what it’s like for Steve, Martin, and Selena to watch everyone guess as this all plays out! Wonder if they watch these videos and have to pry each other’s hands away from their respective keyboards. :)
I agree with you on the Oscar Mabel Zoey link. Oscar definitely had more interest in Mabel and that is clear by both their admissions. That is reason Zoey and Oscar fought that night. And Tim Kono saw that. That is why Mabel told Tim that to tell the police the truth. Its obviously referring to Tim seeing Oscar Zoey fight and not Tim actually seeing who pushed Zoey down. She obviously wanted Tim to tell the police what he saw meaning Zoey broke up with Oscar after that. That is what she wanted Tim to tell the police. My understanding is that Tim was jealous about Oscar so he did not come clean. But later on the guilt got to him and he wanted to investigate Zoey's murder and thus was eliminated. The very fact his death case was not fully investigated means somebody did not want it to. That angle probably gives us the opening to the case. My hunch tells me that the sergeant, i.e. Detective Williams boss has identified Tim Kona as a friend of Oscar from that case. He obviously knows something about that case and hence does not want it reopened knowing probably Oscar was innocent and probing Tim's murder would reveal that fact.
In Cinda's podcast, inspired by "Only Murders in the Building," she calls it "Only Murderers in the Building." This podcast supposedly took place 2 months after the events of the show, so I presume she knows how things transpired. The name implies that there were murderers, plural, in the building - so this might not have been a 1 man operation or the murders are not linked with the same killer
I noticed that, too. First thing that went through my head is that there are at least three: 1. Zoe. If Oscar didn't kill her, who did, and was Tim killed to cover up the identity of the real killer? 2. Tim. 3. What appears to be Oscar at the beginning of the first episode. The person Mabel is kneeling over in her blood covered sweater is wearing a tye-dye shirt. So, how many killers are there? Did one person do it all?
I was so relieved that Oliver did not rip up that check. He is so broke he needs that money to survive. He is constantly scrounging for food because he has no money. He snapped up the gut milk as a food source. I imagine what we have seen him make so far has gone to rent and back debt. He is still struggling with food insecurity.
Oliver makes a perfect suspect It wouldn't mean he did it but someone doing it for him After all Oliver says Mabel is the killer just because of a secret that she knows Tim While himself keeping a secret about being broke for all we know he could have lost all of his money because of Tim? Just like sting lost money
Some things I’ve noticed: In episode 1, Mabel is in her Aunt’s apartment kneeling over a bloody body wearing in a tie-dye hoodie (presumedly Oscar) In Ep 3/4 (flashback to the NYE party), Oscar compliments Mabel’s look for the party and it makes Zoey jealous. They do exchange a glance that looks like they have some unspoken affection for one another. I don’t think it’s so out of left field for Mabel’s mom to have picked up on this attraction. When Tim says he saw “a guy” around when Zoey was pushed from the building, it ruled out Jan and Bunny for my suspect list. The wallpaper in the flashback is different than Bunny’s apartment, but it’s a great clue! Everyone is always renovating and all the apartments have their own sense of character, so I would love to see the wallpapers in everyone’s apartments so far compared it it to see if there are any constants. The Dimas’ maybe? The ring DEFINITELY is key in this mystery. I thought that the second they introduced it in the flashback. It’s the only thing I haven’t thought was a red herring so far. Which means it definitely will be 😅
Great points Amber! If we can trust a screenshot from the credits - it appears that Oliver is going to start a merch store which will sell "Only Murders in the Building" tie dye hoodies. I think the body which Mabel is kneeling over in the flash-forward will be someone wearing one of those promo tie-dye hoodies, not necessarily Oscar.
I think Oscar maybe had something with Mabel first, then moved on to Zoe. There was still attraction between them. The odd man out, Tim, I think was in love with Mabel. I think he saw Mabel arguing with Zoe and in his mind Mabel killed Zoe. So he never stood up for Oscar because he was protecting Mabel. He expected they might get something going once Oscar was gone but it didn't happen, hence his bitterness toward her. This doesn't answer who killed Zoe or Tim, but I don't think Mabel, Oscar or Tim killed anyone.
I just realized that Cutter, Mabel's cousin's jewelry connection, who was supposed to meet up with Tim, did not come. Does that mean Cutter knows that Tim was dead so there is no point for him to go to the tattoo shop anymore? How did he know? Mabel's cousin doesn't know. Mabel's mom doesn't know. It doesn't seem like Tim's death has created any fuzz at all. I say they should look more into Cutter. Maybe that could lead us to our killer.
I had the same thought. But then maybe Tavo isn't telling the whole truth. I'm wondering if the premise of "Daddy' Little Helper" is a clue that one of the characters that is helping our sleuths is actually manipulating the direction of the investigation somewhere else. Could that person be Tavo? Also, Tim's post-it note had "G.M." written on it not "Cutter"; could Tavo be Tim's suspect?
I feel Season 2 will be about proving Mabel's innocence of a new crime. Remember one of the opening scenes in the series... had Mabel bent over a dead or shot body...her white sweater covered with blood...and she says "I didn't do it." It may be Oscar who has been killed...or one of our male suspects. I feel there were 2 conspirators in the Tim Kono crime. Also, I feel Oscar is not telling the whole truth (why he was in that building that night of Tim's death). I feel this omission will lead to his death by someone else in the building.
Thank you for discussing this show. Most vids are reviews, which I feel is totally missing the point. There is a murder to be solved! A few things which I noticed: 1. When Mabel and Oscar were at the gas station and they were joking with the cashier, did anyone else notice that they did not pay? Was all that joking a distraction, for them to 'steal'? 2. They mentioned that Teddy Dimas texts in all caps. A few other letters were written that way as well; Tim's suicide note, the note on Oliver's door and even Lucy's card. The letter from Jen and the address written by the Detective was not written this way.
Here are some other theories/questions I have regarding the show. Warning: Contains spoiler/clues from earlier promo trailers for the show: 1. Ep 6 revealed that Angel could be Teddy or Theo Dimas, but the only reason Angel is the main suspect is because of what Tavo said. Tavo also deals in black market jewellery, and he could be like “Daddy’s Little Helper”, throwing our amateur sleuths off the scent by implicating Angel. 2. Could Jerguson, Detective William’s colleague be the person who prevented Tim’s phone from being sent to IT & Tim’s toxicology request from being submitted? ( *** SPOILERS! *** ) 3. In promo trailer #2, the residents of the Arconia are lined up outside, presumably watching the police lead the murder suspect for “tie-dye person” to a waiting police cruiser. Oscar can be seen at the end of this line-up, so that rules him out as the victim. However, we don’t see Howard, Bunny, Mr Torres (Oscar's dad), the Dimas’ or Jan. The hoodie the victim was wearing is likely the OMITB promo hoodie similar to the one Oliver was wearing earlier in the trailer. This would imply the victim is a fan or somehow connected to the podcast. I think the victim is likely either Teddy or Theo Dimas. 4. We know Tim was trying to solve Zoe’s murder by recovering the green ring. The person who took it either sold it on the black market or kept it, so it's likely Tim used two approaches to recover the ring, 1) via black market dealers, and 2) by training Evelyn to be a “cat burglar” in order to see which of the neighbours still had the ring. ( *** SPOILERS! *** ) 5. In the promo trailers, we see flashes of Charles’ female doppelganger; could she be one of his delusions, his sister from Patchogue, or perhaps a split personality he has been suppressing! That could explain why he didn’t know who Winnie was, why he misplaced his hat, as well as his lapses in memory. Hopefully all will be revealed in ep9, titled "Double Time", according to wiki. And lastly, according to the wiki for OMITB, the next episode is titled "The Boy from 6B" aka Theo Dimas! Maybe he has a relationship with the Hard Boys that has yet to be revealed. Can't wait!
There’s a second hidden detail in the 3rd episode’s credits other then the 🐝 I’ll let you find it but if you can’t find it scroll down.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . There’s a whole thing of eggs behind Steven Martin as he’s cooking. 🥚
Ok, but what about mabel's mom? She seemed very defensive of her daughter. Maybe she killed tim because tim created so much uncertainty in mabel's life around the time of zoe's death. And then when Mabel moved into the arconia, he completely abandoned her. I think Mabel wouldn't kill tim, but I think her mom definitely has motive, not so sure about means or opportunity tho
Silvia Mora (Mabel's mom) should've given us more insight into this missing Aunt! Did Silvia not know of Mabel's apartment redecorating project of the Aunt's apartment?!?
I was rewatching with my parents and I could be wrong but, Oliver found a hat he thought was a sex toy in Tim Kono’s apartment, but then in episode 3 they saw a cat toy in Howard’s apartment that looked identical. So was it really a cat toy? And combined with the cat prints I think that means something. I would say Tim had a cat but he had asthma, so I think that points to Howard being in there with Evelyn, and Charles being right about Howard faking the fainting.
Let’s keep in mind that we haven’t heard or seen Lucy but I’m guessing that she’s probably in her early 20s considering she’s FaceTimeing with Charles neighbor probably her boyfriend because y else would he be FaceTimeing her & telling Charles about it. Maybe she killed Zoey & Tim because Zoey stole her mother’s ring & found out that there was a witness & maybe even visited Oscar while he was in jail & he told her it was Tim that saw her. She probably killed Tim because he saw her push Zoey. I think Tim said a guy pushed Zoey but said it was Charles to the police because maybe Lucy was like 16 at the time which would make her younger than them & thought he was protecting a child.
Especially Mabel don't make sense ,she even thought she could be next and made a video about the whole Hardy boys past and named the video in case I am next Alone because of it Mabel would make sense and then there's for us viewer how we see that she really wants to know who killed Tim kono From the core 3 in my opinion only Oliver could have a motive, he could have lost money just like sting because of kono Which resulted in Oliver being broke and maybe only found out recently that kono was the reason?Not to mention Oliver is the one who says Mabel was it because she had a secret and the deal was no secrets , but he keeps it a secret being broke For all we know someone murdered kono for Oliver Because we know Oliver and Charles? We're already gone when kono was shoot However I think they should look at Oscars father as prime suspect he has a good reason
@@ChrisAtheist yeah Oscar's dad my top suspect too, along with who ever ring that was, found the owner of ring you either found the killer or one step closer to killer.
So you did a roundabout of “Mabel was rebuffing Oscar's advances” from the preceding aka immediately-previous episode? You are right about streamers of this show, though! But as already told, “hotstar” is not an add-on - it's actually Disney+® hotstar® and just like hulu®, absorbed by TWDC with its original/preceding name being hotstar®.
I think Tim killed zoe so then Oscar saw him so then he got upset so Tim told marble then she got angry and Oscar went to jail so marble thought about Tim killing zoe and Charles new zoe so he got angry and he put stuff out so they don't think it was him and also I don't think it is marble because she wanted to find out how he did.but I think it was Charles
Another theroy Tim and Zoe were having affair tim Gave the ring as a gift but needed back but zoe theraten tim about cheating and for his illegal business but tim graph the ring off her but push her off the roof by accident tim
actually has anyone taught about olivers son like he was the one that told his dad about mabel beign friends with zoe its why they started gettign suspicious of her soooooooooooooooooo idk its just a taught
I think it's Theo and he is going to kill his father for getting too close(that's why the team are in his room and find the hidden urn room (in the old previews)). He is using his fathers business to fence jewelry, Kono has been trying to find the ring he took from Zoe. Theo sees the ring on Zoe and tries to take it back, during the struggle for the ring Zoe falls off the building) Kono only sees a man because he run away before Kono could see his face so Kono hunts for the ring. Once again flimsy at best but meh🤷🏾♂️
What if Oscar takes a bullet for Mabel!? Thats why its tie dye guy on the ground with mabel over him. It looks like a shoulder hit. And Hollywood always let's a shoulder hit person survive 😎👌
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Theory…. In the flashback to the party on the roof when Zoe died, if you watch the background, teddy’s son Theo rushes in, not dressed for the party and looks like he’s looking for someone . I believe he’s looking for Zoe or Tim, possibly to confront them for taking the ring they stole. Zoe had the ring before the party but not on her after her death.
… If you watch the teaser trailer, there’s a shot of teddy’s lucky coin and behind it is an eye looking through a peephole from a secret hidden room in teddy’s apartment. I believe when the hardy boys came into teddy’s apartment to steal, Theo was in the hidden room watching them. Teddy is not Angel, I think Angel is his son Theo, and somehow he’s either blackmailing Tim or holding it over his head which is why Tim couldn’t tell anyone Theo was involved in Zoe’s death.
… Now Tim’s death… In the beginning of the first episode, Tim is getting onto the elevator from 6. I think he’s coming from Thoe’s. Theo poisoned Tim while Tim was there, then a few minutes later Tim dies back in his apartment. Then Theo sets the fire alarm off, goes up to Tim’s apartment, stages a suicide. Howard’s cat later comes in and licks Tim’s poisoned blood and also dies. Tim’s toxicology report was never sent, but Howard sent off his cat’s, so we’ll see.
Nice work Chris!
I should have read this before my post about Theo🤦🏾♂️your explanation is better 😎👍
Although they do joke about the daddy's little helper podcast when they are tailing mabel and Oscar and how it was the son in the podcast and it was so obviously the son because of the name of the podcast. So maybe a subtle tip of the hat to Theo being the murderer.
I think you may be 100% right! :) I still want to work in Cinda and her look-alike assistants somehow (since Cinda’s attitude in her office seemed off to me, and the detail of the look-alike assistants is so weird it just may mean something), but that may be off base - and the details certainly aren’t worked out as clearly as your theory.
I was going with the idea that Theo did everything but kill Tim (although he may have even poisoned him), leaving Cinda and/or the assistants to shoot him. I’d love it if they’re still up to something somehow, but I really, REALLY like this theory. :)
That is a great eye! I went and grabbed a screengrab of Theo - he's blurry because the camera is focused on Mabel, plus its night, but that does look like Theo. Will we see that from Theo's perspective in the next episode?
I also love the fact that the detectives partner is hooked on the podcast😂
Are we positive this is a “fair play” mystery?
I think Oliver’s fantasy audition sequence ending with an empty stage is the show’s way of telling us that the murderer is not in that lineup.
Operating under the assumption that the Big Three are innocent (since this is a multi-season show) - and excluding Oscar (who seems to have joined the team), and Sting and Anita (whose stories have been told) - building residents who were not part of that sequence include: Teddy, Theo, Jan, Arnav, Ursula, and Oscar’s father. I think that’s a better suspect list than the lineup. We may have to make assumptions as to how or why they’d be involved, rather than going by traditionally laid out clues - but I think it’s still technically fair because, through that fantasy sequence, the show did hint for us to look elsewhere.
It may even work out that Tim’s killer is someone from outside the building. My bet is still that Theo killed Zoey, poisoned the animals (plus maybe even Tim, too), and left the notes (likely without Teddy’s knowledge), leaving Cinda (and/or her assistants) to shoot Tim - her way into the building being Arnav, who’s not guilty of anything other than being unsuspecting parent friends with Cinda Canning.
"fair play' mystery: Man oh man: that is the $1million dollar question, Jillian! Please Lord, let it be so. I was worried that in Oliver's fantasy audition empty stage, the only person on stage was Oliver meaning Oliver did it.
Your list of 'Teddy, Theo, Jan, Arnav, Ursula, and Oscar’s father' are characters who weren't on the fantasy stage.
@@DoublePMedia Right. I think Oliver eliminating all the people in his imaginary audition line - plus the shot of him looking around at the empty stage - may be the show’s way of telling us, “The killer is not any of these people.” If we go with that, then our suspect list should be comprised of building residents who were NOT on that fantasy stage. I eliminated Charles, Oliver, Mabel, Oscar, Sting and Anita myself - which leaves Teddy, Theo, Jan, Arnav, Ursula, and Oscar’s father. (And, even though I assume they don’t live in the building, Cinda and her “Cindassistants” are still very high on my personal list as well.)
That may not be ENTIRELY “fair” - as not all of these people were introduced right away, and we’re left to make assumptions as to how and why they might be involved (rather than go by solid clues) - but it may be TECHNICALLY fair since, if this is indeed the meaning of the empty stage, that was the show’s way of giving us fair warning.
Steve Martin’s delivery of “what the f-k” which was more delivered like “what … f-k?” Made me laugh the second most because the delivery was f-king incredible
In ep3 Mabel says "what if tie dye guy is Tim's fiancee" when they are looking at the evidence board. Although we know it's not tie-dye guy Mabel knows Tim on a personal level so that is a weird thing to say that Tim is gay if it isn't true. That also may be the reason Tim never told anyone who the murderer is because it is his lover. Then as Oscar is getting out of jail the murderer is scared Tim will tell someone so he murders tim. seems a little flimsy but meh🤷🏾♂️
She also said the tie dye guy could be a woman if I remember correctly
7:24 thank you for saying my theroy
I watched episode 7. I'm looking forwards to you doing a video about episode 7.
Should be up in about 4 hours
Did you know one of Cinda’s assistants, Cindy, is played by Anne Stringfield - Steve Martin’s wife?! :) I remember seeing a picture of her at one time and thinking she looked enough like Tina Fey to be her doppelgänger - and there she is! :)
I rewatched Episode 4 today, and the look-alike assistants still bugged me. I’d considered that they may just be a nod to Steve’s wife (not realizing she actually played one) - so, I decided to do a little “detective work” on IMDb to see if they’re coming back, or if they really were just fun, one-off characters.
Anne’s character (Cindy) isn’t listed again - but the other one is in the final episode, and her character’s name is Poppy White. I just find it interesting that she is indeed returning AND has a full name…I’m not sure yet what the deeper connection is (if anything), and I know the info on IMDb can change at any time, but I still found it worth noting. (Also, aren’t poppies pretty flowers that were used to make drugs? Like in The Wizard of Oz, a poppy can be more dangerous than it seems. Just a thought.)
OMG - I knew she had to be younger than Steve because he has a young kid. But damn!
@@DoublePMedia Yep! :) She’s not the one who comes up with the “sting” tagline (that’s Poppy), but the other one - the one who tells Cinda her call is in.
Ok, hear me out, I think Theo Dimas killed Zoe and his dad covered it up. Since he is probably about Mable's age, I'll assume he's not angel, but Teddy could be, and if your're a jewelry dealer, you need to keep it somewhere safe...perhaps your house? Where a certain girl might have found a certain ring? I think maybe Theo had seen the ring around his house and accused Zoe, maybe things escalated and he pushed her? Again, if you're a jewelry dealer, odds are you have contacts inside NYPD, maybe that's how no one really investigated and it ended up being pinned on Oscar. I noticed how suspicious Theo seemed when Oliver was talking to his dad, and the way he had his phone made me thing he was maybe using some app to write the conversation so that he could understand, meaning he knew about the podcast...and poisoned the dog? Tim was probably killed by Teddy, he was leaving his floor that day, probably took the jewelry and Teddy killed him, but then the alarm went off and he didn't have time to look for his jewelry and left. He decided to sponsor the podcast to not look guilty and because it distracted attentions from him. I don't think Oscar is innocent, the way he wants to change the subject every time people talk about that day? He probably saw something happen and Teddy payed him to take the blame. Just need to know what Tim saw that night
I like some of this. But I don't think Oscar took the blame, he plead not guilty, didn't he? I do think Teddy's son is somehow involved. Teddy could be Angel because he is a theater angel.
But then teddy would not support the podcast
The thing that’s made me laugh the most in the entire run of the show is Bubba’s contention that the three leads are so in demand that they may not want to do a second season.
Way to dis Selena Gomez! SelenaStans - get him!
Steve Martin certainly does not need this show. If he is doing it, it is because he enjoys it.
Let’s face it - none of these people need this show. It’s awesome that they are doing it.
Aw man please no!
I wonder what it’s like for Steve, Martin, and Selena to watch everyone guess as this all plays out! Wonder if they watch these videos and have to pry each other’s hands away from their respective keyboards. :)
If they're watching and not 'liking' the video, I declare them all guilty! :)
@@DoublePMedia haha!
I agree with you on the Oscar Mabel Zoey link. Oscar definitely had more interest in Mabel and that is clear by both their admissions. That is reason Zoey and Oscar fought that night. And Tim Kono saw that. That is why Mabel told Tim that to tell the police the truth. Its obviously referring to Tim seeing Oscar Zoey fight and not Tim actually seeing who pushed Zoey down.
She obviously wanted Tim to tell the police what he saw meaning Zoey broke up with Oscar after that. That is what she wanted Tim to tell the police. My understanding is that Tim was jealous about Oscar so he did not come clean. But later on the guilt got to him and he wanted to investigate Zoey's murder and thus was eliminated. The very fact his death case was not fully investigated means somebody did not want it to. That angle probably gives us the opening to the case. My hunch tells me that the sergeant, i.e. Detective Williams boss has identified Tim Kona as a friend of Oscar from that case. He obviously knows something about that case and hence does not want it reopened knowing probably Oscar was innocent and probing Tim's murder would reveal that fact.
We see the triangle of Oscar, Zoe and Mabel --- who did Tim Kono like???
@@DoublePMedia well he ordered a ring. And there is mention of his fiancé. So maybe there is one mystery girl still left.
In Cinda's podcast, inspired by "Only Murders in the Building," she calls it "Only Murderers in the Building." This podcast supposedly took place 2 months after the events of the show, so I presume she knows how things transpired. The name implies that there were murderers, plural, in the building - so this might not have been a 1 man operation or the murders are not linked with the same killer
At the very least, if Mabel isn't the killer, there's Tim Kono's killer and the personal Mabel *accidentally* kills?
I noticed that, too. First thing that went through my head is that there are at least three:
1. Zoe. If Oscar didn't kill her, who did, and was Tim killed to cover up the identity of the real killer?
2. Tim.
3. What appears to be Oscar at the beginning of the first episode. The person Mabel is kneeling over in her blood covered sweater is wearing a tye-dye shirt.
So, how many killers are there? Did one person do it all?
I've also stopped watching previews so I get to unravel as the they unravel
I was so relieved that Oliver did not rip up that check. He is so broke he needs that money to survive. He is constantly scrounging for food because he has no money. He snapped up the gut milk as a food source. I imagine what we have seen him make so far has gone to rent and back debt. He is still struggling with food insecurity.
Oliver makes a perfect suspect
It wouldn't mean he did it but someone doing it for him
After all Oliver says Mabel is the killer just because of a secret that she knows Tim
While himself keeping a secret about being broke for all we know he could have lost all of his money because of Tim? Just like sting lost money
Some things I’ve noticed: In episode 1, Mabel is in her Aunt’s apartment kneeling over a bloody body wearing in a tie-dye hoodie (presumedly Oscar)
In Ep 3/4 (flashback to the NYE party), Oscar compliments Mabel’s look for the party and it makes Zoey jealous. They do exchange a glance that looks like they have some unspoken affection for one another. I don’t think it’s so out of left field for Mabel’s mom to have picked up on this attraction.
When Tim says he saw “a guy” around when Zoey was pushed from the building, it ruled out Jan and Bunny for my suspect list.
The wallpaper in the flashback is different than Bunny’s apartment, but it’s a great clue! Everyone is always renovating and all the apartments have their own sense of character, so I would love to see the wallpapers in everyone’s apartments so far compared it it to see if there are any constants. The Dimas’ maybe?
The ring DEFINITELY is key in this mystery. I thought that the second they introduced it in the flashback. It’s the only thing I haven’t thought was a red herring so far. Which means it definitely will be 😅
Great points Amber! If we can trust a screenshot from the credits - it appears that Oliver is going to start a merch store which will sell "Only Murders in the Building" tie dye hoodies. I think the body which Mabel is kneeling over in the flash-forward will be someone wearing one of those promo tie-dye hoodies, not necessarily Oscar.
@@DoublePMedia oh excellent point that I totally missed!
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Not the same flowers but bunny seems to have a flower theme. She is even wearing a dress with flowers at the hotel meeting in ep2. 🌼
I think Oscar maybe had something with Mabel first, then moved on to Zoe. There was still attraction between them. The odd man out, Tim, I think was in love with Mabel. I think he saw Mabel arguing with Zoe and in his mind Mabel killed Zoe. So he never stood up for Oscar because he was protecting Mabel. He expected they might get something going once Oscar was gone but it didn't happen, hence his bitterness toward her. This doesn't answer who killed Zoe or Tim, but I don't think Mabel, Oscar or Tim killed anyone.
@@DoublePMedia good point.
I just realized that Cutter, Mabel's cousin's jewelry connection, who was supposed to meet up with Tim, did not come. Does that mean Cutter knows that Tim was dead so there is no point for him to go to the tattoo shop anymore? How did he know? Mabel's cousin doesn't know. Mabel's mom doesn't know. It doesn't seem like Tim's death has created any fuzz at all. I say they should look more into Cutter. Maybe that could lead us to our killer.
I had the same thought. But then maybe Tavo isn't telling the whole truth. I'm wondering if the premise of "Daddy' Little Helper" is a clue that one of the characters that is helping our sleuths is actually manipulating the direction of the investigation somewhere else. Could that person be Tavo? Also, Tim's post-it note had "G.M." written on it not "Cutter"; could Tavo be Tim's suspect?
I feel Season 2 will be about proving Mabel's innocence of a new crime. Remember one of the opening scenes in the series... had Mabel bent over a dead or shot body...her white sweater covered with blood...and she says "I didn't do it."
It may be Oscar who has been killed...or one of our male suspects.
I feel there were 2 conspirators in the Tim Kono crime. Also, I feel Oscar is not telling the whole truth (why he was in that building that night of Tim's death). I feel this omission will lead to his death by someone else in the building.
Thank you for discussing this show. Most vids are reviews, which I feel is totally missing the point. There is a murder to be solved!
A few things which I noticed:
1. When Mabel and Oscar were at the gas station and they were joking with the cashier, did anyone else notice that they did not pay? Was all that joking a distraction, for them to 'steal'?
2. They mentioned that Teddy Dimas texts in all caps. A few other letters were written that way as well; Tim's suicide note, the note on Oliver's door and even Lucy's card. The letter from Jen and the address written by the Detective was not written this way.
I just cannot accept that Mabel killed two people. I don’t think she’s the bad guy. I really hope it’s none of the 4 main characters
We hope so too --- but we wish the show would give us clues for the other Arconia dwellers like they do for the big 3!
What about the signature on the check? It’s not teddys. It looks like J. Bisell? Something similar?
I also noticed that Oscar was not shocked when Mabel referred to him as Tie-Dye guy. It seems like he has heard the podcast before meeting Mabel.
I think Mabel should be ruled out bc of her scene with Tim after he died and he had the gun shot wound!
You're completely right --- but man, does the show keep throwing out more Mabel clues
Here are some other theories/questions I have regarding the show. Warning: Contains spoiler/clues from earlier promo trailers for the show:
1. Ep 6 revealed that Angel could be Teddy or Theo Dimas, but the only reason Angel is the main suspect is because of what Tavo said. Tavo also deals in black market jewellery, and he could be like “Daddy’s Little Helper”, throwing our amateur sleuths off the scent by implicating Angel.
2. Could Jerguson, Detective William’s colleague be the person who prevented Tim’s phone from being sent to IT & Tim’s toxicology request from being submitted?
( *** SPOILERS! *** ) 3. In promo trailer #2, the residents of the Arconia are lined up outside, presumably watching the police lead the murder suspect for “tie-dye person” to a waiting police cruiser. Oscar can be seen at the end of this line-up, so that rules him out as the victim. However, we don’t see Howard, Bunny, Mr Torres (Oscar's dad), the Dimas’ or Jan. The hoodie the victim was wearing is likely the OMITB promo hoodie similar to the one Oliver was wearing earlier in the trailer. This would imply the victim is a fan or somehow connected to the podcast. I think the victim is likely either Teddy or Theo Dimas.
4. We know Tim was trying to solve Zoe’s murder by recovering the green ring. The person who took it either sold it on the black market or kept it, so it's likely Tim used two approaches to recover the ring, 1) via black market dealers, and 2) by training Evelyn to be a “cat burglar” in order to see which of the neighbours still had the ring.
( *** SPOILERS! *** ) 5. In the promo trailers, we see flashes of Charles’ female doppelganger; could she be one of his delusions, his sister from Patchogue, or perhaps a split personality he has been suppressing! That could explain why he didn’t know who Winnie was, why he misplaced his hat, as well as his lapses in memory. Hopefully all will be revealed in ep9, titled "Double Time", according to wiki.
And lastly, according to the wiki for OMITB, the next episode is titled "The Boy from 6B" aka Theo Dimas! Maybe he has a relationship with the Hard Boys that has yet to be revealed. Can't wait!
Good theories - we really agree with #3. Not sure if we'll mention it in the podcast because some folks don't like trailer clues.
There’s a second hidden detail in the 3rd episode’s credits other then the 🐝 I’ll let you find it but if you can’t find it scroll down..
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Ok, but what about mabel's mom? She seemed very defensive of her daughter. Maybe she killed tim because tim created so much uncertainty in mabel's life around the time of zoe's death. And then when Mabel moved into the arconia, he completely abandoned her. I think Mabel wouldn't kill tim, but I think her mom definitely has motive, not so sure about means or opportunity tho
Silvia Mora (Mabel's mom) should've given us more insight into this missing Aunt! Did Silvia not know of Mabel's apartment redecorating project of the Aunt's apartment?!?
Holy s@#t what an episode😎👌
Brilliant! We're still finding clues, hope to have the next video up tomorrow!
I was rewatching with my parents and I could be wrong but, Oliver found a hat he thought was a sex toy in Tim Kono’s apartment, but then in episode 3 they saw a cat toy in Howard’s apartment that looked identical. So was it really a cat toy? And combined with the cat prints I think that means something. I would say Tim had a cat but he had asthma, so I think that points to Howard being in there with Evelyn, and Charles being right about Howard faking the fainting.
Peter, we're with you - right now, until we get more clues... if the killer isn't one of the big 3, Howard appears to be most susceptible suspect :)
@@DoublePMedia thanks for the response! I totally agree! Love these videos keep up the good work!
Let’s keep in mind that we haven’t heard or seen Lucy but I’m guessing that she’s probably in her early 20s considering she’s FaceTimeing with Charles neighbor probably her boyfriend because y else would he be FaceTimeing her & telling Charles about it. Maybe she killed Zoey & Tim because Zoey stole her mother’s ring & found out that there was a witness & maybe even visited Oscar while he was in jail & he told her it was Tim that saw her. She probably killed Tim because he saw her push Zoey. I think Tim said a guy pushed Zoey but said it was Charles to the police because maybe Lucy was like 16 at the time which would make her younger than them & thought he was protecting a child.
I remembered from the episode Charles said Lucy was 7 when they move in together so it means Lucy is like 17 now
@@KC-rp5se right
And I think Charles was not going to say he went out with zoey
Anyone still suspecting the 3 main characters stop it not one them , their going to want all 3 of them for next season.
Especially Mabel don't make sense ,she even thought she could be next and made a video about the whole Hardy boys past and named the video in case I am next
Alone because of it Mabel would make sense and then there's for us viewer how we see that she really wants to know who killed Tim kono
From the core 3 in my opinion only Oliver could have a motive, he could have lost money just like sting because of kono
Which resulted in Oliver being broke and maybe only found out recently that kono was the reason?Not to mention Oliver is the one who says Mabel was it because she had a secret and the deal was no secrets , but he keeps it a secret being broke
For all we know someone murdered kono for Oliver
Because we know Oliver and Charles? We're already gone when kono was shoot
However I think they should look at Oscars father as prime suspect he has a good reason
@@ChrisAtheist yeah Oscar's dad my top suspect too, along with who ever ring that was, found the owner of ring you either found the killer or one step closer to killer.
So you did a roundabout of “Mabel was rebuffing Oscar's advances” from the preceding aka immediately-previous episode?
You are right about streamers of this show, though! But as already told, “hotstar” is not an add-on - it's actually Disney+® hotstar® and just like hulu®, absorbed by TWDC with its original/preceding name being hotstar®.
I know who the Killer is .
psst - no spoilers :)
I think Tim killed zoe so then Oscar saw him so then he got upset so Tim told marble then she got angry and Oscar went to jail so marble thought about Tim killing zoe and Charles new zoe so he got angry and he put stuff out so they don't think it was him and also I don't think it is marble because she wanted to find out how he did.but I think it was Charles
Another theroy Tim and Zoe were having affair tim Gave the ring as a gift but needed back but zoe theraten tim about cheating and for his illegal business but tim graph the ring off her but push her off the roof by accident tim
Tim's romantic interest needs to be revealed!
@@DoublePMedia good point
And when zoey died he got angry and what if he was on the roof when zoey was killed so he saw Tim killed zoey so he killed Tim
I still think Oliver is involved somehow in Tim’s murder!
Turning on the fireplace in Episode 1 was suspicious!
actually has anyone taught about olivers son like he was the one that told his dad about mabel beign friends with zoe its why they started gettign suspicious of her soooooooooooooooooo idk its just a taught
I think it's Theo and he is going to kill his father for getting too close(that's why the team are in his room and find the hidden urn room (in the old previews)). He is using his fathers business to fence jewelry, Kono has been trying to find the ring he took from Zoe. Theo sees the ring on Zoe and tries to take it back, during the struggle for the ring Zoe falls off the building) Kono only sees a man because he run away before Kono could see his face so Kono hunts for the ring. Once again flimsy at best but meh🤷🏾♂️
Feels like Theo is getting the spotlight next week!
but it makes sense
wait....are we not pointing fingers at Mable's RICH aunt.. is she Angel 😇
I'm worried the Rich Aunt is no longer with us --- she's letting Mabel do whatever she wants to her apartment
And charles can pay his bills so what if he brought the ring for zoey
It's Theo
Also how come Oscar nor Mabel mentioned anythinggggg about Zoe stealing jewellery? they did not connect it with this whole thing
they mayeb dont know is she stole it or not she never said anything about where she got it
@@ashleyjennifermares7618 she was stealing jewellery in front of them when they broke into the apartments and gave Mabel a necklace too
I think he did not want anyone to now so he was writing stuff and put stuff so no one nows it was him
To which room Oscar went to after hearing the gun shot?
Difficult to tell with the cutting; you wouldn't think he was jumping back into the stairwell - but I'm unsure.
The password is going to be the day the girl died
Or maybe "hardyboys" or "whaletattoo".
What if Oscar takes a bullet for Mabel!? Thats why its tie dye guy on the ground with mabel over him. It looks like a shoulder hit. And Hollywood always let's a shoulder hit person survive 😎👌
thats what i was thinkign i honestly think that gunshot was meant fo mabel and tye dye guy saved her