Space Black M3 Pro Macbook Pro Review - I’m returning it
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Great video Oilur - All Max models (M1, M2 & M3) export twice as fast as the Pro models because the Max models have 2 Apple Media Engines vs 1 Apple Media Engine in the Pro models. The media engines haven't been changed over the last three years so M3 will export in a similar time to M1 as long as it's Pro vs Pro or Max vs Max. That doesn't explain the M1 Pro results in your video from 2 years ago but this is why your new M3 (Pro) is exporting at half the speed of your M1 (Max). Hope that helps :)
What is media engine?
A Media Engine is a component within the processor itself that is responsible for handling decodes and encodes for your media tasks, because the silicon is especially designed to do it, rather than it solely being software supported, it ends up being much faster. The more media engine units you have on the processor, the faster the task can be completed, because having 2 would literally double processing capability. It more or less scales linearly with how many units you add. You can't add an infinite number because the processor needs to dedicate silicon to other important things like an input output (IO) unit to handle your usb or lightening connections or memory. Thats why the Max chips are physically larger, it's a bigger chip so that it can hold more silicon to do things faster, one of those things is to add a second media engine. Hope that helps@@LordBagdanoff
@@LordBagdanoffThe media engines are separate from the CPU and GPU and provide hardware acceleration for encoding or decoding Prores, H.264, or H.265 video CODECs. That is why even the M1 Max is faster at exporting than the M3 Pro as the media engine is the limiting factor for video export.
And to bring further joy, the memory clock speed on the M3 Pro is slower than the M2 pro and it has less performance cores. M3 Max can also have slower memory speed than M2 Max if you get a binned M3 Max. Basically the M3 Pro was hobbled to broaden the gap in performance for some tasks like video between Pro and Max.
@@WorksOnMyComputer extra bandwidth not required for the pro model. The 3mm on the M3 chip makes it more efficient as well hence not requiring as much as cpu cores as M2. It seems like a downgrade but Apple know what they are doing ☺️
this is why more youtubers should review both before recommending. so many youtubers review the Max model and then recommend the Pro as well even tho they didnt try it, simply off of benchmarks. you’re one of the few that tries both and its much more helpful. i got the M1 Pro and it has definitely had some issues i didn’t expect
what kind of issues ?
As someone who works in tech. I can say the reasoning others have stated for the issue you're experiencing has nothing to do with "memory bandwidth", rather it has to do with Apple's choice to reshuffle P (performance) and E (efficiency) cores this generation. In both previous generations of Apple silicon, both the Pro and the Max chips kept the same amount of CPU cores as well as P and E cores. For example the M1 Max and Pro chips both had 10 core CPU's with 8 P cores and 2 E cores. In the M3 generation however, they decreased the amount of P cores the Pro chip has and increased the amount of E cores to 6 P cores and 6 E cores meaning that your M1 Max actually has more performance cores. In addition to this the primary way to increase the speed of a GPU is to add more cores, meaning that since your M1 Max has more GPU cores, in most productivity tasks that dont take advantage of the new ray tracing and mesh shading technology, your M1 Max will be significantly faster than the M3 Pro.
if you are looking for a substantial difference in performance the M3 Max will have far more GPU cores as well as 10 P cores and 4 E cores (16 total) on the top spec variant meaning it'll be a far faster chip in every way compared to your M1 Max.
what do you think is the best set up going from an intel mbp for a long time investment? Should I go with an m2 max ? Not a video person but heavy photoshop and 3d rendering..
This shows these benchmark tools miss something quite important.
I doubt this is the reason, because this should be reflected in the benchmarks. The more likely reason is that the Pro chip has 1 media engine while the Max has 2, as another comment stated.
The m3 max computers are incredibly expensive.
The music for this video was gloriously selected!
Hi Oilur. This time apparently M3 Pro is completely different chip compared to its MAX variant. With M1/2 it used to be that the jump from Pro to MAX was mainly in terms of graphics performance, but not in CPU. Basically the CPU cores configuration was identical between the two tiers. With M3 on the other hand, Apple is approaching things in a different way. M3 Pro has 6P + 6E cores, while M3 Max has 12P cores and 4E cores. This makes a lot more sense in terms of segmentation for Apple, because the majority of users that didn't that much graphics power were buying only the Pro models. Now going with a MAX variant means you have gains in both CPU and GPU.
In your workflow, Final Cut relies more on the performance cores. Coming from 8P cores to 6P cores, inevitably will have a performance hit.
This video is a really good deep dive into the M3 architecture and would definitely be useful to have a look at: th-cam.com/video/8bf3ORrE5hQ/w-d-xo.html
Interesting! Thanks for the explanation
This 100% boils down to the first generation was TOO good across the board. They had to artificially come up with ways to differenciate the models (ie. the nerfed / gimped the lowe models). So they "fixed" their mistake by making the pros worse than the max unlike the first time around with M1.
As a non video editor. I was deciding between the M2 Air 13/15 and the M3 Pro Macbook Pro 12c 18GB. After trying both, I stuck with the M3 Pro Macbook Pro. Reason being, I prefer the efficiency cores of the new model. I could get idle battery usage at around 4Wh-5Wh giving between 18-14 hours run time. High performance tasks is not an issue with me, happy to wait now and then a few seconds and then gain from the longer battery overall.
Why didn’t you get the 11 core cpu?
That’s wild you got such a powerful machine for not video editing, I would’ve gone with the M3 MacBook Air for anything other than heavy video editing. Cheaper and still so powerful.
@@treysenparkinson3109 yeah it is a bit overkill. But the M3 air wasn't available at first. 13inch was a bit too small. 15inch could have worked tbh.
@@LordBagdanoff though may aswell get the full cpu at that point. I think to do with how apple price too.
@@firstspar ahhh I see, I just realized this was 4 months ago. I understand now, I probably would’ve done the same as well
The answer to the problem is that final cut 10.7, which introduces optimizations for M3, was not released when you ran your tests. This should be available in the < 2 weeks. For every chipset iteration, FCP must be updated.
I got my finger poised to buy an M3Pro, so I'm really hoping you are right! Oli's results really don't make sense, shouldn't be that slow even with 25% slower ram, I cant see why it would be so drastic. Are you basing this on Apple's history of updating FCP, or is there an official source this is coming soon? With the new scrolling time line weeee!
@@brucekennedy5274 10.7 was previewed at the Final Cut Pro summit at Apple Park a few days before the M3 was released and it was quoted as being available "later this month" so that leaves just a few days left in November. Probably tomororw
@@ItsCaputo Oh cool, thank you for the info 🙂 We will have to see if it fixes Oli's problems!
Yeah that is the only reasonable answer if the M1 Pro vs max had similar results.
This is exactly what I heard and read. It's a Final Cut hinderance, not the hardware. The M3 Pro chip is faster than the M1 Max in benchmarks because it's simply a faster chip. I would bet money that if this exact same test was done a month of two later, it would have been game over -- exactly as expected.
Max chips have twin video encoders.
M1 Max, M2 Max, M3 Max all have 2.
Pro chips have single video encoders.
M1 Pro, M2 Pro, M3 Pro all have one. = big difference in video encode speed.
Exactly, there's no secret to discover, that's the sole reason.
How do you explain the M1 Pro rendering as fast as my M1 Max then?
@@Oliurmemory bandwidth and software optimization.
Memory bandwidth on M1 Pro is 200GB/s. Not far off M3 Pro.
And Final Cut Pro is optimised for M chips.
Two video encoders will not encode video twice as fast. It will just allow to encode two separate streams of videos in parallel. Do not quote me on that though
I agree with you on the memory. 8GB is not enough for a "Pro" device. 16GB should be standard. Having said that, my M2 Air with 8GB works just fine for the office work I use the machine for. I think the difference you're seeing is software specific and the software not being optimized for the M3 chip. Speed might improve as software catches up.
Apple says it's enough. So, some random TH-cam reviewer, yeah right.
@@tonyburzio4107 Oh it's enough big boy, it's more than enough!
@@tonyburzio4107you realize they want your money right? Let me guess 256gb is enough too? They’ll happily sell you more for $200
My 14” M1 Max is still flying through my workflows. I don’t expect I’ll need to upgrade for some years yet.
Gutted you’ve had to return as you were so excited for the new version!
I believe your old scores comparing the M1 Pro and M1 Max models show little difference because you were using an older version of Final Cut Pro. Try comparing them again now and you’ll see the additional media engine in the max models have a stronger influence on video editing performance. This additional media engine in the M1 Mac is also why it performs better than the M3 pro in your use case. Hope this helps!
Great video comparing the new pros. For me as a video editor, this helped a lot and have decided to pull the trigger on the m3 max. New sub!
Not an Apple specialist but the issue might be because of the lowered memory bandwidth on the newer CPUs. Check "Memory Bandwidth M1 Max" and same for M3 Pro. A quick google search for me yields 150GB/s vs 400GB/s (not sure if 14-inch M1 Max can utilize the full 400).
This is the only explanation that makes sense.
Everything hinges on memory and how fast that memory can move the information that’s temporarily stored on it. Plus the Max has twice the media engines as the Pro.
Media engines aren’t the difference here. As stated in the video, M1 Pro rendered as fast as M1 Max.
@@Oliur were u using Final Cut Pro or not ? I find it hard to believe it’s because of memory bandwidth
@@Oliur Then the parent comment explanation doesn't make much sense since M1 Pro has 200GB/s and M1 Max has 400GB/s memory bandwidth
We have taxes in America too. Your same configuration in America is $3799 before taxes and $4122.86 after taxes. M3 Pro 14 12 CPU/18GPU, 36 GB of Ram and a 4TB HD.
Here in Latvia 4099Eur (4,578.79USD) including taxes - M3 Max, 32gb ram and 1TB SSD(Not possible to get 4tb)
I am happy with my m3 pro. It's my first macbook pro so I have nothing to compare it to other than my 4090 htpc and 3080 pc..
you must be seriously rich to afford shit like that lol.
@@LanceBryantGrigg nah I save up. Gaming is my only hobby so my money mostly goes to anything that has to do with gaming 😅
@@AdriDwitomo i'm not really a gamer but how is it to have the m3 pro as a gamer? bc there was always that myth that macs aren't for games
@@bjarkarsson you can play baldurs gate 3 on a mac these days..And with the m3 pro it's definitely possible with respectable frame rates. Nowadays the debate over owning a Mac and not being a gamer is outdated tbh..
If u already have a m1 or m2 chips, there is absolutely no reason to get m3 chip…now it’s a perfect time to get an Apple refurbished m1 or m2 on their refurbished store.
I figured it out!!! As a TH-camr with the same workflow I purchased the 14inch M3 Max model FULLY SPEC’d out……I experienced the same in my workflows with Premier Pro and Final Cut!!!
The 14inch Starts Throttling and getting really hot and the performance because of it takes a massive hit! Even the fans spin up like crazy….i returned the 14 inch m3 max and grabbed the 16inch M3 Max and OMG THE PERFORMANCE difference is insane!!!!
The heat signature is way lower in every aspect….it doesn’t heat up even close to the temperatures of the 14inch I had…..performance is groundbreaking and so is the battery life…..I know you love the form factor and so did I but the 16inch is the way to go….you won’t experience any throttling and you will see the massive performance leap you’re looking for
MaxTech also did a 14vs16” m3 max comparison with this and it backs up and shows everything I just mentioned.
Hope this helps everyone😊
For anyone pushing the machine 16” is definitely the way to go for its better performance vas 14” of same spec.
Regarding base M3, I think a lot of people forget that Apple isn’t just marketing to individual consumers but make a lot of sales to companies/businesses etc. who buy bulk units for employees. The M3 8gb model makes much more sense for these kind of businesses who want to get a slightly cheaper model to supply to mass amounts of staff who aren’t necessarily doing anything performance intensive
The issue is the price of that 8gb is what doesn't make sense. 😆
Do any of the prices make sense! @@arvi8843
Apple is counting on the #1 upgraded item on these macbook's, memory which will $ubstantially bolster their bottom line. I'll eat out a few times less this year and go MAX!
I think it is because your M1 Max has two special rendering cores and the Pro has only one. This was the case with M1 and also M3.
Yeah. basically. unless he's comparing a max to a max, it's not going to beat it.
maan, your video colour is gorgeous, thanks for it, m3pro 14in amazing, love love love, it was highly enjoyable to watch your review
Completely agree on the silly costs from Apple to upgrade ram and storage. Very good review.
Thank you for the wonderful wallpapers. When I bought my first MacBook Pro, I was reading a lot of reviews. I fell in love with the reviews and wallpapers, so I bought it. Thank you so much and I look forward to more great content.
the dark layers are a wonderful set of wallpapers for my mac as well.
Is render time really the most important metric? Surely the smoothness of the actual editing process is key? Like which machine allows you to play back effects laden footage best without stuttering? Personally, I'd much rather be able to scrub the timeline and watch changes i've made in the best possible quality without it slowing to a crawl than worry about a few minutes extra/less in the final render.
Oh yeah the editing process works great already. No stuttering when scrubbing or editing.
I Love This Comment. This Video Seems To Just Be About Rendering Speeds Alone. I Believe As Well That How Smooth the Actual Editing, And How You Play Back Effects/ Footage Without Stuttering Is Key. I Personally Don't See Why You Downgraded From A Max Chip To A Pro Chip. I Think You Was Sold On The Color Alone. I Don't Have A Laptop So Getting The M3 Pro MacBook Pro Was A No Brainer ( My M1 Max Was Stolen ). IF I Still Had My M1 Max, I Wouldn't Dare Replace It With Anything Less Than The M3 Max Chip. You Have A Great Machine, You Didn't "Need" This. You Wanted To Test The Theory. IF You Want A Upgrade Get The M3 Max Chip. ( Period ) :D Look On The Bright Side, You Will Get Your Money Back. LOL. The M3 Pro MacBook Pro Is A Beast Of A Machine In Performance, Compared TO Any Competitors Besides The Max's Chips Which Honestly Is The Big Brother's ( FlagShip) . Anyone With A Max Chip, This MacBook Pro Is Not For You. Peace & Love -Sazon Pimp'n
M1 Max Has A 400GB BandWidth Vs The M3 Pro With A 150GB BandWidth. ( Even The M1 Pro Has 200GB Bandwidth). M1 Pro Might Have Faster Rendering Times But The M3 Pro Makes Up With Performance. I'll Take That Over A Few Minutes Faster In Rendering. Choosing Your Battles.
thank you so much for posting this! I've been teetering on getting an M1 max (new) because M3 is such a crazy price tag, thanks for helping me make an important decision for my video editing needs!
If you just need more storage, you can get 3k read/write speeds from the SanDisk Pro-G40. 4TB of ultra fast storage for under $400. No need to buy a new machine just for storage.
Whilst you say you are "returning" the MacBook Pro, are ordinary people allowed to send their MacBooks back if they aren't happy with them?
Is that a return reason Apple accept? Or are we stuck with them once purchased unless there is an accepted fault?
Of course. I bought mine like any regular customer. They have a 14 day return policy if you’re not happy with the product.
Great video as always! Just wondering why you’re wearing two watches? 🙃
This thing’s outer shell might not collect as many fingerprints, but the keyboard is an absolute fingerprint magnet
Love the vid oliur. The M3 MAX definitely seems like it’s more the spec for you, I know your reason with going for the pro over the max, but with the M2 and M3 chips, Apple has given much more of a GPU advantage to the MAX chips
@@samnectar yeah I know that what im saying is then for his workflow he'd probably have to go for the MAX for that extra GPU performance
You are comparing apples (!) with oranges, as already pointed out in one comment, in the Max you have 2 media encoders, in the Pro you have one media encoder. So yes, the M1 Max will be faster for video works then the M3 Pro. The way is to switch to M3 Max if you are depending on video performance.
Don’t the M1 Max got more media engines? Also less performance cores right? The M1 Pro was really close to the M1 Max. They used to be both powerhouses, but now they differentiated them a bit more. So m3 maximum efficiency, m3 max maximum performance and m3 pro in the middle rather than it leaning towards the power side like the M1 Pro did.
The reason that the M3 Pro is way slower is because of the way lower memory bandwidth (150 compared to 400GB). The M3 Pro also only has 1 ProRes Engine. If you are doing video stuff as your main workflow, any of the Max chips are better than any of the Pro chips. Same argument for the base chips vs the Pro chips. M1 Pro > M4 (correct me if I am wrong about this)
This is what I'm looking for, a youtuber who really put their efforts to be as a user in the first place and then give the review after. Not some "just-bought" one and tell Us some fake shit.
It’s great that you throw this out there and don’t just join the fanboy parade. I’m happy with my M1 Max MBP and will gladly keep it another few years. Thanks!
You should have gone from the M1 Max to M3 Max. The M3 Pro is not the work horse it wants to be.
The M3 Max is finally a better CPU than the M3 Pro whereas the M1/M2 Pro and Max Chips had the exact same CPU setup.
I'm just wondering... why do you wear 2 watches?
9min vs 16mins export times (i.e. twice as fast) is due to twice the number of media engines (what used to be called afterburner cards in the Mac Pro, pre M Chips), It is not the memory bandwidth, The media engines are built into the Chip (SOC) M Pro has 1, M Max has 2 and M Ultra have 4, regardless of the whether they are M1, M2 or M3 chips, the Media engines only provide support for specific codex (H264, ProRes etc) when video editing and exporting, the only difference with the M3 media engines are they include AV1 decode support and 8k decode over the M1s 4k decode limit, otherwise they are very similar. I have an M1 Max MBP and a M2 Ultra Macstudio. The M2 Ultra is exactly twice as fast as the M1 Max for video work, regardless of CPU or GPU cores, frequency, or memory bandwith, there is a little more to this subject, but I am sure you do not want to read two more paragraghs on the issue, but in principle I hope this helps.
What about the fact that the M1 Pro is as fast? As I mentioned in the video.
I agree to a previous comment I read on here. It's the memory bandwidth. On the M1 Max it's something like 300. On the M3 Pro I think it's half that amount. Don't blame you one bit for returning that M3 Pro.
What about the M1 Pro comparison?
@@Oliur The M1 Pro memory bandwidth is: 200gb/sec. The M1 Max's bandwidth is: 400gb/sec. The M3 Pro's bandwidth is: 150gb/sec. So the M3 Pro has half the memory bandwidth of the M1 Max....which would help explain your results that you found on testing your laptops. So I definitely agree with the other person who posted the same opinion...it's the memory bandwidth.
@@rpgcreatives3683 How does that explain the M1 Pro being as fast as the M1 Max, as shown in the video?
The US have taxes in most states too. It's just that they don't put it in the sticker price. The tax is added at checkout. Whereas in the UK it's mandatory to include it in the sticker price.
Possible problems (imho): 1) FCPX not yet optimised for M3, 2) much less memory bandwidth: M1 Max = 400GB/s, M3 Pro = 150 GB/s
As others have pointed out, I believe it is the double amount of media encoder/decoders in all max vs pro models
you don't need apple specialist. I can explain in two words : Media engines bro
Watching this from my first ever MacBook Pro! 🙌 I went with 14" Space Black M3 Max 🤩
11 or 12 cpu model?
@@LordBagdanoff 16 CPU model
@@rabtecho what work do you do
@@LordBagdanoff content editor
@@rabtecho is the 11 cpu M3 pro enough for normal usage and video editing?
You might get better results once Apple releases the new 10.7 FCP update.
That definitely RAM, bandwidth is different significantly.
It might be the case that software also not fully optimised to the new algorithm of allocating memory to GPU. It might get better overtime, but I doubt
Off topic but man your jumpers are clean, where are they from.
I'm not sure, but the SSD storage is probably faster on the Max. That's probably where the hang-up is coming from.
The more reason i barely pay attention to benchmark results these days. They don't really translate real world usage scenarios.
Your experience is going to depend on your use case. If you do a lot of video editing or professional video editing, note that Max chips are twice as fast at rendering videos because of their architecture. Also, it will depend on your software. In many cases, especially mixing music, software doesnt adequately use efficiency cores, so you might see better performance on M1 chips because they have more performance cores.
If you do anything like blender or graphic intensive tasks, work with ai or game, go with the m3 chips because theres a significant increase in performance for those tasks. Also, I'd stay away from max chips on the 14 inch, some people experience thermal throttling
great video, thanks : I assume you reviewed this with Apple?
I am debating on Macbook Pro with M3 chip (8-core CPU
10-core GPU
16GB Unified Memory
1TB SSD Storage¹)
and
Macbook Pro with M3 pro chip (11-core CPU
14-core GPU
18GB Unified Memory
512GB SSD Storage¹) .
I will use the laptop for video editing for client works and content editing for myself on Adobe Premier Pro and After Effects. Which one should I choose? Should I go with the higher ram and the pro chip? Or will it give me a headache to move files all the time due to 512ssd?
Could be that it’s new and software isn’t optimised for it yet? I don’t know if that’s the case but it may be worth waiting? Same thing happened with M1 I believe
That is correct. The first AAA game using the new hardware comes out on December 20th.
I just got mine the other day and I’m going to use it the first time with my work trip today. I upgraded from a MacBook Air 2017. Do you guys think I got a right buy? I’m using it for work heavy on web browsing and web meetings. I also would use it for video editing as well as some graphic designing from time to time. Any opinions if I made the right decision? Or should I just return it?
What spces did you get
I got the 14 inch M3 Pro MBP 18GB Memory - 14 core GPU - 512 GB SSD
This year with M3 series , Apple changed the core configuration to segment the lineups.
M2 pro 14" 10-core CPU with 6 performance cores and 4 efficiency cores, 16-core GPU 16-core Neural Engine 200GB/s memory bandwidth
M2 pro 14" 12-core CPU with 8 performance cores and 4 efficiency cores, 19-core GPU, 16-core Neural Engine, 200GB/s memory bandwidth
M2max 14" 12-core CPU with 8 performance cores and 4 efficiency cores, 30-core GPU, 16-core Neural Engine, 400GB/s memory bandwidth
M3 pro 14" 11-core CPU with 5 performance cores and 6 efficiency cores, 14-core GPU, 16-core Neural Engine, 150GB/s memory bandwidth, Hardware-accelerated ray tracing
M3 pro 14" 12-core CPU with 6 performance cores and 6 efficiency cores, 18-core GPU, 16-core Neural Engine, 150GB/s memory bandwidth, Hardware-accelerated ray tracing
M3Max14" 14-core CPU with 10 performance cores and 4 efficiency cores, 30-core GPU,16-core Neural Engine, 300GB/s memory bandwidth, Hardware-accelerated ray tracing
Look at the P core configurations and bandwidth. Some apps like audio only use P-Cores and no E-Cores and no gpu. Will wait if the developers start using E-cores more.
Apps like Davinci Resolve, 3D, Ai use a lot of GPU so pick the right configuration for the apps you are using.
For video editing, filters, effects and color grading use CPU, GPU. Rendering part is hardware encoders for the supported codecs.
Media encoders on M1-M3 are basically same . Pros have one , Max have 2, Ultra 4. So for rendering videos, you can see the speed difference but not too many youtubers are talking about it.
A good test would be to use a software encoder to benchmark render speeds. This will give a better idea of core performance minus the encoders.
For encoding benchmarks use Handbrake and set to use Videotoolbox.
Use an app like MX Power Gadget to monitor how your app use CPU and GPU. Neural Engine monitoring you need Asitop.
LOVEEE THIS SET UP IN THIS VIDEO!! holyyy 🖤🖤🖤
So what would you recommend? 14" 1tb 36gb ram M3 pro or 16" 1tb 36gb ram M3 Max for web dev or programming in general?
M3 Max 36gb all the way
With M3 Max you're good for the next 5 years.
thanks
Did you have your Battery's energy mode set to High power? High power enables higher performance.
Oli, do I take it performance while editing using the M3pro was fine? Also, do you work with background rendering turned off or on?
🙄 I'm not an Apple specialist either, but there's quite a buzz about the lowered memory bandwidth of the M3 Pro. The real question is, who can actually conduct a proper test on that? While everyone is pointing towards memory bandwidth as the culprit, there's still a lack of concrete proof.
Just amazing how many people cant seem to watch the video properly. If i had to guess the issue I would go with Final Cut needing to be updated. I think you should keep this laptop personally.
Right! Thank you for actually watching the video Martin. It proves 90% of the comments wrong.
I looked at the space black at the store today it was not "Absolutely stunning at all, silver still looks much better.
What Mic did you use to record this video? Sounds great!
M1 max has 400 gb bandwidth vs M3 pro’s 150 gb and the M3 Max is 300 gb bandwidth so would this make a difference??
it could be because mot the things you've used haven't been optimized apple did say this upgrade was for interl USERS and m1 users not any of the pro or max chips machines
My M1 iPad Pro is still kicking ass. Apple is 3 generations overpowered each time the release a new machine and SOC.
Great video! I'm currently using a 2020 M1 Air with 8GB of RAM as my main editing workstation, but as my skills and workload increase, it's starting to struggle, especially when editing 4K RAW footage from my Fujifilm XT4, color grading, and adding heavy effects. I also use Lightroom. I'm considering an upgrade and would love your suggestion. Should I opt for the latest M3 Max for future-proofing, or would a second-hand model suffice?
The M3 Max would certainly last you a very long time if you can afford it. The 14-core M3 Max would be good. However, if video is primarily what you do and have a tight budget then would like at refurbished M1 Max or M2 Max.
for m3, you will need to get the max chip to access the higher memory bandwidth of the ram. the m3 pro chip has less ram memory bandwidth than your m1 pro chip.
How do you explain my M1 Pro test in the video then?
@@Oliur m1 pro and m2 pro has the same bandwidth.
@@115apwchan I dont think you watched the video. The M1 Pro was faster than the M3 Pro. It was the same speed as my M1 Max.
I still can't believe you went for Pro after Max. Maybe you expected 1% increase in performance?
Straight and to the point great video subscribing
Have you used handbrake? How is it encoding h265/HEVC compare to other macs? I use the CPUS because that preserves quality unlike videotoolbox
Maybe the video project you were exporting on the M1 Max vs M1 Pro was simpler?
Exporting a project has multiple components, the transcoding is handled by the video engine, which is the same in all M-series SoCs. If the project didn't have any color correction or fancy effects, the main job would be transcoding.
Whenever you start applying color correction the GPU starts to handle lots of the work. And the GPU on M1 Max is faster in practice than M3 Pro.
The M1 Max also has more video engines, which helps if you have multiple very high resolution sources playing at the same time.
For me, the differences, the application, Vivid, it makes the display 50% brighter so I'm getting the 16 inch MacBook Pro
It's due to the memory bandwidth. The new M3 Pro's have less memory bandwidth. They are pushing you to get the M3 Max instead of the pro:
M3 Max memory bandwidth = 400GB/s
M3 Pro memory bandwidth = 150GB/s
M1 Pro memory bandwidth = 200GB/s
M1 Max memory bandwidth = 400GB/s
It is not the memory bandwidth, 9min vs 16mins export times (i.e. twice as fast) is due to twice the number of media engines (what used to be called afterburner cards in the Mac Pro, pre M Chips) The media engines are built into the Chip (SOC) M Pro has 1, M Max has 2 and M Ultra have 4, regardless of the whether they are M1, M2 or M3 chips, the Media engines only provide support for specific codex (H265, ProRes etc) when video editing and exporting. I have an M1 Max MBP and a M2 Ultra Macstudio. The M2 Ultra is exactly twice as fast as the M1 Max for video work, regardless of CPU or GPU cores, frequency, or memory bandwith, hope this helps...
The SSD upgrade cost is ridiculous. On the bright side, when you get the next Max it should last.
Yes. I just get my m3 pro also. And i think i will wait until there's an explanation about M3pro works especially while works with polyline and enlarging pixels at the same time. I feel that lagging problem in that situation. There're no problem for me on anotheeperformances.
Thanks, why don't you buy M3 Max? 😇
Your videos style is absolutely amazing, always.
From what I've seen the M3 Pro is a really bad deal - the M2 seems to be a much better value. That said the M3 Max seems like a giant leap in performance. I would suggest upgrading to that (I've also done this). Also as you're in the UK (like me) KRCS are currently offering 10% on Macs for Black Friday so I managed to pick up my M3 Max base 14 inch for a few hundred quid cheaper.
Nice video! I'm currently deciding on a MacBook Pro 16-inch for RAW photo editing and 4K/8K video work, and I'm considering three models: M3 Pro (12-core CPU, 14-core GPU, 36GB RAM, 1TB SSD), M3 Max (14-core CPU, 30-core GPU, 36GB RAM, 1TB SSD), and M3 Max (16-core CPU, 40-core GPU, 48GB RAM, 1TB SSD).
Initially, I was leaning towards the M3 Pro, but after watching reviews, I'm unsure if it would be sufficient for the kind of processing I need. Given my intention to use this laptop for an extended period without frequent upgrades, I'd greatly appreciate your advice on which model would best suit my needs, especially in terms of video processing and AI advancements. Thank you.
I tried importing a large video on the base m3 chip with 8gb ram and it totally froze. Red memory pressure 16gb swap…gonna return it and get the max 14/30 with 36gb ram
Are you satisfied with the performance? Do you think it's unnecessary to go for the Max 3 16/40/48GB? I am interested solely for video editing in DaVinci Resolve, working with After Effects, and AI. Thanks.@@octny
Your app is not optimized for M3 Pro chip. It'll be faster with app update eventually
Just Josh did a videos on this recently. He explains the memory bandwidth changes that Apple has made is the reason for this. Memory bandwidth has been downgraded heavily in all but the M3 Max full spec model. Highly suggest you check it out!
M1 Pro chip bandwidth is 200GB/s. Not far off M3 Pro and half of M1 Max.
@@Oliur I'm pretty sure the M3 Pro has 150GB/s memory bandwidth, which is less than half of the 400GB/s on your M1 Max. This might explain why the M3 Pro is worse for you workflow.
I have a 2016 MacBook pro and want to know if I should upgrade.
You broke the space time continuum wearing two different Apple Watches. The M3 Pro was caught outside of your awesomeness and thus, stuck in time with video rendering.
M3 has more efficiency cores compared to the M1/M2. This means that overall the M3 is going to be more efficient than the M1/M2 which is great for battery life. However, it ultimately comes down to the software. Cinebench is designed to use your cpu to the utmost level. However, if certain rendering software is coded to take more advantage of your efficiency cores than performance cores, the M3 with lose the race.
Probably it’s because of the optimisation is not readily available for M3 chips (?)
I prob have the answer to your question. The SSD works better on the M1 chip but it compromise the life of the ssd. After this customers slaped on Apple and then Apple fixed that with SSD that they have lower performance but more long live on ssd. Sorry if my explenation is not that fluent but hope that it helped you.
Final cut pro is not yet optimised for the m3 chips
i think it's the unified memory speeds, 150Gb/Sec compared to 400Gb/Sec
Your new machine has less GPU (graphic processing unit) cores. Less processors focusing on video rendering. That's why you are seeing the speed difference.
M1 max has double the media engine encoders (Two video encode engines
Two ProRes encode and decode engines) compared to single in M1/2/3 pros. Probably that's why.
Don’t think you watched the video. M1 Pro rendered videos as fast as my M1 Max, which I shared in the video.
Also memory bandwidth. All the generations use the very same DDR5 6400 memory. So coming from 400 GB/s to 150 GB/s will help this. But why are him expecting better results with an inferior chip? He saved money on the CPU and spent in storaging hoping that the performance increase from the newer models would cover...
You should've read the spec instructions from Apple about their products. As they are listed on the page clearly, the M serials of Macbook Max machines have double media engines than the Pro serials, is that simple.
How does that explain the M1 Pro being as fast as the M1 Max?
Mx Pro chips have slower encoders and decoders, that's the sole reason why any generation Max chip will be always faster the Pro chip in rendering h.264
That makes so much sense! On paper it should make sense, but it all comes down to performance haha 😂 loved this!
The thing a lot of people forget is that you can get a discounted base 14 inch m1 pro or m2 pro for 200-300 dollars cheaper than the m3 pro and they offer similar performance.
Really disappointed by the 3nm jump its not anything revolutionary in this case
2:54 I'm curious as to why people prefer to box-y flat design with a notch on top? The old MacBook Pro/Air look like the newer models compares to these when shown to my family who's never used a Mac before.
the "air" model is Soooooooo old. i got sick of it for sure. I love the newer one
Great vid!
Question for Brits: is this one £3899 with or without taxes etc? Stateside it’s $3799 + sales tax
In Case you didn't find the answer for your question about slow rendering of m3 pro.
The main issue is that: in m3 pro machines the memory bandwidth is 150gbps otherwise in m1 max machines the memory bandwidth was 400 gbps. So that is the main isse.
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That thumbnail 🤌