The 2006 MVP Race Was a Controversial Mess
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The 2006 MVP race featured some of the more controversial award debates seen this century. What happened?
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3:04 Pujols also has godly defence in prime. I think only 1B to put up 3 DWAR in a season if I remember correctly
Pujols also walked a LOT, 2005 was a pretty middle of road year for him and he still walked 95 times. His OBP was the highest of the MVP candidates that year.
@@WearingGoldluck and he never strikeouts more than 80 times in a season. The Machine.
I think Howard’s MVP isn’t really that controversial. We look at players today like Ohtani and he has traditional stats this year and we don’t bat an eye.
A baseball video NOT calling Jeter overrated trash in 2024? I can’t believe my eyes
I was at that 2007 game Johan got 17 Ks vs. Rangers. Couldn*t believe what I was seeing
Cuddyer solo HR in th 2nd inning was all th scoring needed for Santana to shut off Texas
Morneau won because every voter who didn't want to vote for a DH (Ortiz, Thomas, Hafner or Thome) or a pitcher (Santana) voted for him. Sizemore, Dye, Wells, Ichiro, Guillen, Matthews Jr Manny and Mauer also had good cases but likely split votes between one another or missed too many games to be considered. This award could have gone to several players with nobody really agreeing on who that player should have been.
It may have been controversial but god damn it, if Justin Morneau didn't get the concussion he did in 2010, he would have won a second AL MVP and maybe this video wouldn't have been a talking point.
I have always thought RBI was a dumb stat because it depends on how good your team is like pitcher wins
Awesome video, I think it's cool that you disagreed with the writers while not diminishing howard and morneu
2 videos in a week is the best thing to happen since sliced bread
2006 makes a ton of sense to me. retroactive analysis usually omit a lot of context sometimes by choice. Not saying you - you’re reporting what the baseball writers said in a re-vote. Each vote has moving parts. Things like voter fatigue and support matter. I truly don’t get Grady in 2006. But Santana won cy young. In a robust field of vote getters, 2006 very much bottled pitchers up In their lane. I seem to remember Webb going off too. But Albert had a great lineup around him, I remember thinking if you moved Rolen up, he’d had a hell of a year too hitting 4 hole. Maybe not replace Albert’s stats but that team had players who WOULD deliver big numbers if Albert didn’t exist. And a bit of voter fatigue imo was at play. Justin you really did feel like did a lot twins. Though I must admit I remember liking his teammate ironically that year. I could be wrong but I remember thinking mauer got a bit shunned in 06
Not even a Twins fan but anyone that can piss off both Yankee and Red Sox fans gets my respect! P.S. Isn't Ortiz a cheater anyway?
He isn't. He tested positive for a banned substance that apparently triggered a false positive. He received extra scrutiny since then and never failed a PED test.
Video: "Grady Sizemore was probably the most snubbed player in 2006"
Yankees fans: "That's a weird way to spell Jeter but I'll take it"
This is the problem with war and fwar and all these other sabermetric stats it's plain as day even if I gave Beltran a gold glove his season wasn't even close to Howard's lmao
2006 was not a good year for awards: Crash won Best Picture and Morneau won MVP 🤣People who voted for them both regretted and re-voted years later.
If he had 45 steals and a gold glove Beltran still wasn't close lol
As a Twins fan I'm a bit biased but I think Morneau deserves the MVP. In the 80s and 90s Don Mattingly got gold gloves over Kent Hrbek, when Hrbek was a much better fielder.
NY players are always elevated way above their station. Bernie Williams is a classic example of this.
@@JuanMartinez-xf3uz bruh whaaat? I think you need to check the stats on Bernie Williams 😂
@backyardbaseball2006 He averaged an fWAR under 3, which is good, not great. For perspective, Francisco Lindor has a higher career fWAR despite having played 9 full seasons to Bernie's 16.
@JuanMartinez-xf3uz But then we get into FWAR vs BWAR but even still using WAR he had an 8 Yr stretch where his FWAR and BWAR were 5.5/Yr. The first 11 or so yrs of his career he averaged 4 wins a yr defensive metrics weren't kind to him, but they absolutely tanked his WAR later in his career. I always take defensive metrics with a grain of salt because even sabermetricians can't agree on what metrics are best. And there are guys with high fielding percentages that metrics hate bc of other factors (Does that mean Bernie Williams probably wasn't a bad CF AT age like 36?? Of course not, he probably shouldn't have been playing CF the last like 5 yrs of his career) but the point is anyone who is top 10 all time for homeruns at his position, won a batting title while playing a premium defensive position, had a 5 yr stretch with OPS over 950, and an 8yr stretch of WAR over 5.5 literally can't be overrated....I think you're underrating just how good Lindor is too 😂
It boggled my mind when it happened and still does to this day. With all the love Jeter has always gotten from baseball writers/voters, how in the world did they rob him of what would’ve been his first and only MVP. Not that Mourneau didn’t have a good season but Jeter was so much better.
Back then yankee bias was a real thing
@@johnd6535yankee bias was a thing but jeter was robbed of mvp 😂
Makes perfect sense 🤡
They made up for it with all the bogus gold gloves they have Jeter
Wow the Yankees didn't win an award! What a robbery!
@civilwarwasaninsidejob7405 Jeter was excellent defensively, he never made mistakes and fans never worried about him when he was on the field
Literally almost all the awards before like 2018 could be put up for a re-vote. Writers only recently became competent at their jobs
HE WASN'T EVEN AN ALL STAR
Derek Jeter should’ve won the 2006 AL MVP Award. I will stand by that forever.
Ima touch you
BS
He's not even team MVP, let alone AL MVP.
@@JuanMartinez-xf3uz Yes, he was the team MVP in many seasons during his career
@@albertcaba3744 No
If Jeter had won there would be current outrage that his modern stats weren't good enough, or that his fielding was overrated, or that it would be another example of Jeter getting another award he didn't deserve simply because he played for the Yankees.
I still think he deserved it.
-165 DRS guy with 5 truly undeserved GG's finished second in MVP voting based on batting average alone. Yeah I'd say he didn't deserve it.
shame Jeter got robbed
shoutout pete rose, you will be missed
Now he'll get in the HOF
Hit king
He was a pedophile
Don’t believe me google it and read the reports
We will not miss him
Fuck the war Derek jeter was robbed of 2006 mvp
Offense matters more than defense for baseball. I'd rather have a guy who hits Judge level than give a shit about lackluster defense when a ball isn't hit to them every play. So obviously I don't give a shit about WAR when it includes defense. Jeter had the best offensive WAR
you understand that offensive WAR takes into account position, right? A shortstop has a lower bar for hitting than a corner outfielder/infielder or DH because shortstop is more valuable defensively.
yes, Jeter had the best offensive WAR that year, but it's because he plays shortstop. oWAR "Contains the factor for batting stats, baserunning, a positional adjustment, and the replacement player adjustment."
@@kristopherwilson506 And Jeter had a better offensive WAR
When casting votes I don’t look at stats or nothing it just a simple who I think is better
Jeter placing second is the real scandal here. He's historically the worst defensive SS in the game's history, yet has multiple GG's to show for it. If you're that big a liability you're essentially below a DH in terms of ranking.
When Morneau won, the first and only thing I thought(other than Jeter being robbed by the BBWAA) was he wasn’t even the two best players on his team, maybe not even third best. It was an odd choice
According to the WAR stat, Grady Sizemore should’ve been the AL MVP among position players.
6.7 for Sizemore (2nd Best) vs. Ortiz (7th Best) and Morneau the actual MVP (19th Best)
Thing is, Cleveland was 78-84 so going 71-91 without Sizemore doesn’t sound all that valuable, if you honestly believe that WAR claptrap.
Jeter robbed in 2006 and judge robbed in 2017 but there’s “yankee bias”
Just about anyone who played for the Yanks from 1921-1964 and did well is in the HOF, but sure…no Yankees bias. 🙄
A -165 DRS Short with 5 Gold Gloves is Yankee bias at its worst.
I like how the takeaway from this video is going to be that “jeter still deserved the mvp”