The Closest (and most controversial) MVP Race In NBA History
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Jordan wasn't even unanimous in 96 with a 72 win team. Shows immense bias that even after he was a champ, some voters just refused to vote for him. The very next season, he comes back and leads his team to 69 wins and that's enough of an excuse to not vote him MVP. Unbelievable.
Crazy mj should have won mvp over Malone that season
They knew he was the GOAT at that point.
Malone won it the wrong year. Jordan should have won it '97 and Malone '98.
Curry was lights out in 2016, MJ was great but statistically Curry was ridiculous
@@freightJames Curry did four things that season:
1. Lead a team to 73 wins.
2. Improve all his stats from a previous MVP season.
3. Become scoring champion.
4. Joined the 50-40-90 club.
Even just one makes you an MVP candidate, but all four makes you unanimous.
Barkley got screwed. How could some voters not even put him on their ballot? What a joke.
Man if this happened today it would literally be called the asterisk mvp by so many fans😭
People have always said that tho. You just know about it more today
It already did with Jokic during the bubble
if it happened today there would be magic slander everywhere
@@bboywolfand Jokic proved them wrong hahah
Like Embiid's. Couldn't do it when it counted
So Magic Johnson was the 1990 MVP and the 1991 MVP runner-up but apparently was "old" and on his "last leg" at 31 years old. If you ask Lebron fans and critics of Jordan.
Nobody sane says this. Edit: Apparently this delusional statement is said copiously online so I've edited my comment accordingly.
@@CrazyxEnigma do you live under a rock, lebron fans always say that to discredit jordans 1st ring
@@MicroWave233 Yes they do.
wow i never realized that he was that young
Meanwhile old men Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili gentleman swept Lebron in 2014, and had to rely on old man Ray Allen to bail him out and save his legacy
Barkley's my favorite player, and I'm not really a fan of Jordan, but I've never quite understood the "Jordan's selfish" position. Yes, the guy is probably the most competitive human being to ever live, and his main goal in life seems to have been to convince the entire world that he was the best basketball player ever. But he averaged five or six assists a game during most of his prime years. One year he got eight assists per game. He was clearly passing the ball, and not just trying to hog all the glory for himself.
He also passed up game winning shot so his teammates could shoot a better shot… he made all his teammates better, and is kinda insane
Fact: MJ and Kobe, who are often called "selfish," averaged more APG than Kevin Durant, Tracy McGrady, Vince Carter, Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, John Havlicek, Elgin Baylor, James Worthy, Sydney Moncrief, Klay Thompson, etc. Also, MJ specifically averaged more than Rick Barry, Devin Booker, and Pete Maravich, in addition to being essentially tied, with statistically insignificant margins, with Clyde Drexler, Dwayne Wade, and Kyrie Irving.
Both played when there was a stricter division between positions, without the modern NBA's positionless mentality. Players whose primary function on the court was to score from the perimeter (literally in the name of "SHOOTING guard.") were being selectively targeted for non-basketball reasons. The media's hypocrisy and legacy-damaging nonsense are out of control; in regards to conflicts with teammates and selfishness off the court, LeBron "participation trophy" James is worse: bullying Isaiah Thomas, publically calling out teammates, etc., in addition to far worse things like trading players on a whim, playing like a mercenary ring-chaser with no care for the teams and fanbases, forcing teams to give up everything to get what HE needs and leaving them in shambles with no future picks or assets whenever he jumps ship to farm rings with another team, calling himself "GOAT" and "King," etc.
If a player is being doubled or triple teamed, he should average atleast 6 assists a game. Especially with the amount of time he had the ball.
Not to mention he plays primarily off ball while Lebron(sorry to bring him up but this is main thing why everyone elevates him over Jordan) plays with ball and is ball hog dominant. The fact Jordan averaged as much as he did says how well he fit in a team. Bulls got 6 rings lol if he was so selfish they wouldbt have won as much.
@@RVered A lot of the players you mentioned were either on teams that had a true point guard, were dominantly jump shooters or had a balanced team that allowed them to be defended single coverage.
The impressive stat that has to be mentioned is Clyde Drexler's assists as he played the majority of his career with Terry Porter who was a true point guard. Then the latter of his career with the low post offence run through Olajuwon.
Jordan never really played in a team with a true point guard.
This race was very close. Both Barkley and MJ both had good cases for winning the award putting up great individual numbers. 25 PPG and 11 RPG for Charles along with MJ putting up 33 PPG and 7 APG. From the eye test it looked like Barkley should’ve won the award based on individual numbers. However Magic led the lakers to more wins.
MJ also averaged 6.3 assists and 2.8 steals (1st in the league) to Barkley's 3.9 assists and 1.9 steals.
Jordan cleared Chuck in individual stats and it wasn’t close
I remember this season vividly and don’t remember the MVP race being controversial actually. Magic would he named “athlete of the decade” as well and that banner would hang in the Forum. Keyword “athlete” and considering the names that decade like Joe Montana, Wayne Gretzky, Jerry Rice, etc that’s how much the media thought of him and his 5 championships.
Meanwhile, Barkley would he labeled often as a bad boy and Jordan would get bounced from the playoffs every year. Scoring leaders usually weren’t considered winners then and that title would usually go to someone who was on a .500 team
In the end, it was a popularity contest and not only did Magic have the most hype at the time, but his team also played in the 2nd biggest media city in the USA
@@eddieG667 Looking back I think the only reason it's viewed as controversial is because Barkley is the only candidate to have the most 1st place votes and not win it. If Magic had the most 1st place votes that angle goes away.
@@CrazyxEnigma you could be right, but I think an additional reason is Magic’s legacy really hasn’t aged well. Of all the all the greats growing up, I think the TH-cam highlights and other social media posts keep pushing his stock down lower. It’s at a point of disrespect as far as i’m concerned. I guess out of dominant runs, the one that can’t get captured on a stat sheet or even highlights is Magic’s effect on a game. He can have 8 points on a stat sheet but yet dominated the game and elevated other players. Heck, he made someone MVP of an all star game who wasn’t even supposed to be there in 1987 in Tom Chambers
2016 MVP race got to be the closest race ever in NBA history
i'm really shock they give him to steph. In my opinion, javale mcgee should have it
@@yohaneswillbiehendrason4189Javale was a solid superstar that year but in my opinion Ish Smith was just slightly better.
I had Kawhi winning
Harrison Barnes got robbed smh
Y’all forgot Yogi Ferrell exist
The MVP race is all about marketing. As Andy noted, the criteria for MVP are specifically kept vague so that it can be used as a topic to create content. Considering the fact that "the media" is merely just a group of people with microphones, everyone in media has their own view as to what constitutes an MVP. Their views can shift based on the person who they favor, which is why the narratives change from year to year.
As an example, Russell Westbrook won an MVP because of amazing statistics despite OKC's less-than-stellar record as a 5th seed in the west. However, the context of HOW and WHY he won it is on some storybook shit. Obviously, you had the story about KD not only just leaving, but also joining Golden State who had just put them out after choking the 3-1 lead. Then, you had *that* specific game against Denver late in the season, where Westbrook accomplished 3 major feats.
First, Westbrook secured the triple double record to supplant the Big O with a 50 point triple double (which he *could* have secured in the *previous* game against the Suns, but the Suns weren't havin' it). Second, he hit a CRAZY game winner *while* securing the record. Third, *that* win for OKC knocked the Nuggets out of playoff contention.
So even though the Thunder weren't a GREAT team with a top record, the story being the story is what swung the MVP in Westbrook's favor, as well as his stunning, historic stats and amazing, intriguing playstyle. All those things combined to earn Westbrook an MVP. Now, get this, James Harden was in the running for MVP and was neck-and-neck with Westbrook, but the Westbrook story was just too good. Subsequently, perhaps even ironically, Harden's Rockets ended up putting out the MVP in the first round of the playoffs in 5 games, reached the WCF and went 7 games with arguably the most talented team ever assembled (the Warriors with KD).
I think u got ur years mixed up
Rockets took the Warriors to 7 in 2017-18 when Harden won MVP
Whereas what we're talking about is 2016-17
I never felt MVP voting criteria is vague, it's trying to find which singular player contributed most to their teams success, that can be done in a multitude of ways.
Take Steve Nash's MVP, Phoenix won 29 games the year before he showed, then they won over 60. When they lost their best scorer, Nash still kept them afloat winning more than 50 games that season, that shows value to a team's success. Now take Westbrook in 2017. They only won 47 but how many would they have won if Westbrook wasn't there? 20 maybe? If Westbrook could only win 30 games he wouldn't have been MVP, the fact is it was a small miracle he dragged that team to the playoffs.
It's not really a stat thing. In fact, I think it's a big reason why Giannis only won 2. Because since those MVP seasons we've seen Milwaukee win games without him, A LOT.
Should’ve been Jordan. Wouldn’t have been upset if Barkley won it, but that mvp race gave us one of the best quotes. When magic won it, Barkley complained “Magic won because he makes James Worthy look good. I gotta make Shelton Jones look good!” 😂
Congratulations on reaching half a million subscribers Andy! Well deserved! :)
Almost nobody is old enough to remember but in 61-62 Wilt didn't win MVP after averaging 50 and 25 no matter how much you value team sucess it's hard to deny that this was the biggest robbery in NBA awards history.
That year his team was dead last on defense and his PPG dropped dramatically in the playoffs.
@@armandodelossantos736 C'mon 50 ppg and 25 rpg? and not winning? That's insane!!
Empty stats over winning, russell deserve it and his collegues acknowledge it with that vote
@@Fernando-vg4ym he took 39 FG's a game and his team was terrible on defense. Inflated numbers and back then players were actually ranked fairly. unlike the past 40 years or so.
@@Fernando-vg4ym Wilt put up those number on a team with near amateurs as support players. Russell played with a team full of future HOFers. See why the win column went in Russell's favor? Wilt very certainly got robbed that year.
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LAKERS won 63 games and MAGIC was playing without KAREEM for the 1st time..people were saying that LAKERS would start losing.
I guess Big Game James wasn't there and neither was the rest of the Showtime Lakers
They did lose in the playoffs in 1990 in the semifinals against the Phoenix Suns total Stunner
Listen guys, if you have the most 1st place votes, then you should win!! No doubt about it!!!
You forgot to add the "First of all..." and "Secondly..."
But how do you get all the first place votes when there's a player in the league who was top 10 in points, rebounds, steals, and blocks!
@@armandodelossantos736 How about a player who was the top in four of the five top stats? Remember, Magic had much better teammates than MJ did that year.
@@Fernando-vg4ymBut that season Olajuwon avg 24ppg(#10), 14rpg(#1), 174 steals(#7), 376 blocks(#1) and didn't win MVP or DPOY!! That's the most complete stat line of all time, but it doesn't get awards in the NBA
Lol this conversation is EXACTLY wat this video covers. It's all subjective and "imprecise"
The 2001 league MVP also makes a great case as well. Shaq, Allen Iverson, and Tim Duncan finished in the top 3 in MVP voting. Shaq only finished 3rd after having virtually the same dominant season as from 2000. Not to mention, the 76ers and Spurs only finished with 2 more regular season wins over the Lakers during that season.
Iverson was dominant in 01. Phi second leading scorer had 12 ppg
@@ImadogGarcia Are you talking about Dikembe Mutombo? I forgot to mention that he won DPOY that season.
@@damonsonnier34 yep
@@ImadogGarcia The midseason trade definitely helped the 76ers reach the Finals. Without Dikembe Mutombo, I am not too sure if the 76ers make it out of the 2nd round. Both the Raptors and Bucks took them to 7 games in the Semis and ECF.
The Lakers were seen as a disappointment. They won 67 games the previous season and dropped to 56 not even the top seed in the West. The playoff dominance destroyed any notion that the Lakers were frauds or disappointing but that sentiment was there.
Love your vids Andy! here is an intresting idea for your next video: Why the Cavs fire David Blatt (led them to the finals the year prior and had the best recored in the east yet still got fired)
7 players in that 1990 race competing for MVP including Jordan. But apparently there was no talent in 1990 if you ask today's fans.
I’d argue the 90s was more talented than the 2020s. It’s waaaayyyyy easier to win a title in today’s NBA bc of how offensively oriented the league is, and how much the refs manipulate the games.
The stars are as talented as they've always been. It's the role players that have gotten a lot better.
@@frewtlewps1152here’s something to ponder. Take a team of the best players of the 90s and put them up against the top players of the 2010s. Who wins? Pretty obvious the 90s team would win.
@@cfl4286that's the star power. that doesn't change era to era. the 90s probably had the highest concentration of star power. I agree with you.
but as enigma said, the role players have gotten much better; modern era got 50-40-90 shooters like Jordan Poole who were coming off of the bench. or consider Manu ginobili, the best 6th man ever. could've been a starting guard but took that spot for the team.
the floor for skill in the league has gotten much higher, and that's why folks say the league is much harder now. it's not that the stars were bums, it's that everyone else besides the stars weren't as good as the non-stars now
@@CrazyxEnigma Nah, it's just that the roles they play have changed. How many role players today have board banging defensive skills and are big bodies who can block out and dominate the paint defensively?
I still dont get it how you lose MVP if u have the most 1st place votes
If you think that is crazy, that year Hakeem Olajuwon put up numbers like 24ppg(#10 in NBA), 14rpg(#1 in NBA), 174 steals(#7 in NBA), 376 blocks(#1 in NBA), and yet didn't win MVP or DPOY!
@armandodelossantos736 before his rings, Hakeem was known as 1st round exit merchant besides 1986, so it does kinda make sense
@ch.illmatic but MVP is REGULAR season award mate. Playoffs shouldn't be factored in.
@@armandodelossantos736 That's nothing compared to Bill Russell (19 ppg, 24 rpg, 5 apg) winning over Wilt Chamberlain (50 ppg, 26 rpg, 2 apg) & Oscar Robertson (31 ppg, 13 rpg, 11 apg)) in 1962.
It's called the electoral college...lol...
MJ was phenomenal but people that weren’t around don’t understand how much Magic was loved by the fans. He and Bird did so much for the NBA at a time when the league was struggling. The Lakers basically became his team when he arrived as a rookie. To me, he is the second greatest player ever.
I got Magic at #3
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 Can't argue with you there. I've gone back and forth between Magic and Kareem at #2.
@@LargeDude2023 I got Kareem at #6 all time. I just can't get past his 5 years without Oscar or Magic.... plus Kareem got eliminated by almost every dominant center he's ever faced in the playoffs
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 1972 Wilt Chamberlain, 1973 Nate Thurmond, 1974 Dave Cowens, 1977 Bill Walton, 1981 and 83 Moses Malone, 1984 Robert Parish, and 1986 Hakeem Olajuwon.
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 Can't argue with you there. For me, I remember how unstoppable the skyhook was and the fact that he was a center piece of 6 championships. Couple that with 6 regular season MVPs, which are an indication of the quality of his play during those years.
dammn got caught up watching the Jordan highlights I missed some of the narration in the video.🤣🤣 MJ game is so aesthetically pleasing.
Yo andy, your channel is fire!!
all of the lil details are pointed!!
and in this season i think that the stats of david robinson is insane, from a lakers fan!!
in that time the nba was loaded
No problem with Magic winning it. Look how many ppg he was responsible for with points & assists. And then to go 63-19 after losing Kareem? He earned it. Maybe instead of crying about it, Chuck should've unleashed his wrath on the league like MJ did to Karl Malone in 97 or Chuck in 93 or even vs Drexler in 92 when guys thought he should've won instead.
How in the world could some media say that Jordan was a selfish player when he averaged over 6 assists per game, he basically had the best all-around stats over Magic and Chuck ...
Exactly that’s what I’m saying, just bc he averaged 33ppg they want to call him selfish. But he averaged 6 assists and 6 rebounds it’s just outrageous
@camdynasty5938 no it's because they actually WATCHED basketball while y'all keep posting stats lol. It was also the shit he did and said. He literally said he wanted Doug over Phil because Phil was gonna take the ball outta his hand and Doug let him do whatever he wants, which was score and leave his other teammates on an island lmao
Then, his whole triple-double run was nothing more to gain attention of the voters. He wanted to show them he could play like Bird and Magic, had nothing to do with winning....and they didn't win. That stretch of games when he had 10 triples in 11 games, the Bulls went 5-6, including a 5 games losing streak lmao
Casuals need to stay outta grown folks conversations
Man Andy gets a lot of great old footage
Great content Andy
2:52 “the 1999 MVP” 😂
Magic Johnson won the 1989-90 NBA regular season MVP because he has the best smile. In fact, he has the best smile in the entire NBA history.
6:17 lol when you hear the words "late season surge" in todays nba, it implies some late season surgery that one of the top nba players has for some injury
Oh yeah great video Andy!! Thanks!!
How Good was TOM CHAMBERS
-Dale Ellis
-Terry Cummings
-Xavier Macdaniel
In 1990 Jordan led the league in Win Shares, Win shares per 48, VORP, BPM, PER, and points.
And steals
Dope vid as always Andy 💯
Man Charles was all by his damn self on that squad....I get why they gave it to Magic tho - for marketing purposes 🙄 but Charles was robbed
Nah Barkley wasn't by himself he had Kevin Johnson as his PG putting up 20 and 8
@@joel8692 that was later in 93
@@joel8692 ya heard!
@@davengeance48111990 Sixers had a good squad. Barkley wasn't alone
Amazing video!!! 💯%🔥
for sure aside from the 1989-90 MVP race and for sure the controversial 1992-93 MVP voting
I still dont get it how you lose MVP if u have the most 1st place votes
I don't get how you can be #10 in points, #1 in rebounds, #7 in steals, and #1 in blocks and not win MVP or DPOY! Olajuwon recorded 24ppg, 14rpg, 174 steals, and 376 blocks and didn't win either award.
@@armandodelossantos736Because the team wasn't winning. Westbrook and Jokic are the only two in the modern NBA to win it on a lower seeded team.
6:44 that’s when Michael Jordan started taking everything personally
MISTAKE AT 2:53.... You said the "1999 MVP" 😂😂😂...
GOTCHA
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What?! Lol You hear that Rich Paul and Bronsexuals? The media said “Jordan would never Magic or Bird”. They said “His style of play would never win a championship”. “He’s a selfish player!”. “He’ll never get past the Pistons.” So much for Jordan never getting criticism. 😂😂😂😂
point guards are given a lot of credit. They always have the ball and have the option for an assist or a score. If Barkley played point, both points and assists would go up (in theory - yes I know he's not a point guard). To leave Barkley off the top 3 was silly. If he's not 1st, he's 2nd and so on. They need to interview the people that left him off. Barkley shouldn't be penalized for not having teammates and a crap record. He never played with an all star until Phoenix with Dan Marjerle.
Barkley played with Kevin Johnson on the suns. KJ was one of the top PG in the league before the knee injury. He was putting up 20 and 8 yearly
Barkley was drafted to the Sixers with Moses, Doc, Cheeks, B.Jones and Andrew Toney. Barkley had help most of his career
@@joel8692 - I'm a KJ fan. He wasn't an all-star while Barkley was there. Barkley never had a Pippen/Worthy/Kareem sidekick. I wish he did. His life would be different!
@@sideshowbobsaget8876Come on man. If you know that you know that team was slipping. The 76ers lost to the Nets in the 1st round the year Barkley was drafted. The Sixers lost every home game in the series. By Barkley 3rd season they all were gone
The Sports Illustrated "Role Model" title with the picture of Malone. XD
What happens to push the NBA in a winning and profitable direction is usually the right fit, same with awards such as the Oscars and countless others. And sometimes players are simply due their win based on consistency over a number of years then tenure plays its roll.
2:50 1990*
Jordan still should’ve won it
Great video, some editing feedback, it would have been helpful if you explained how the voting works. I actually had no idea how it did, was able to put it together.
Karl Malone could have easily won this award 31 and 11 geeeez
Jordan himself admitted his selfishness while it took Jackson to convince him to change so people criticizing Jordan could not win playing like that. Truth
When you look at Barkley stats they were insane. He had highest FG% in the NBA (while not having another star on the team, constantly getting double teamed), a top 5 scorer, a top 5 rebounder and could distribute the ball. He got robbed that year because his team was not as good as the lakers.
This is why voting should be done by the players and voting for a teammate should be banned.
By players? Then you'll have nonsense like Wes Unseld winning MVP as a rookie w/pedestrian stats or Kareem winning MVP while missing the Playoffs.
@@blacknetsmed Or Bill Russell winning league MVPs over both Wilt Chamberlain and Oscar Robertson. An injured Bill Walton winning MVP over George Gervin and David Thompson. Dave Cowens winning MVP over a prime Kareem.
Yeah, would be kind of a popularity contest. Not saying it's not already, but you know some stars were not really in good terms with most of the league as it has been pointed out
I've always thought Defensive Player of the Year should be at least partly player-voted. Obviously there could be problems with bias, but no one knows how hard it is to score against certain players than the guys actually doing the scoring.
They often give it to the most important player on the best winning team aka Lakers and Magic
GREAT VIDEO showing some knowledge...you got a new subscriber here.
This seems like an interesting topic. I think it could'vw done either way consider the fact that Magic's Lakers got ousted early in the second round.
Didn't Phoenix sweep them that year?? That 2nd round loss to Phoenix got Pat Riley fired
4:20 revisionist history. That's simply not true. By 1989, Michael Jordan was more recognizable and more celebrated by fans worldwide than Magic Johnson.
Those of us who lived during this time, know that what you said at 4:20 is untrue.
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Absolutely Not. The 1990 season I was a freshman in college and Jordan didn't eclipse Magic Johnson on the world stage until the 1991 season when the Bulls beat the Lakers in the finals. Basketball people will acknowledge that by 1987 Jordan was a better player than Magic
Ewing should have won it. He has the best numbers all round including the best defense out of all of them!
It still blows my mind that people gave westbrick an mvp trophy for averaging a triple double in the entire season when his team literally lost games because of his selfishness trying to get stats.
How was he the most valuable player when he was litteraly devaluing the team he was in
CRYYYYY. literally was the clutchest player that season. okc wouldnt make the playoffs if he didnt carry them lmaooo
@@jayow3391 Russel is the definition of empty stats. It didn't even help trade him because of his terrible contract. There is a difference between being selfish and "backpacking". Russ was the "superstar" of the team not because it helped the team but because it helped him. This is evident in games where they would surely loose but he was still doing crap just for a triple double. ALSO, plenty of players that season carried their team, but to be honest, if OKC just started tanking they would probably be better off today.
@@diaha4398 says who? you?? lmfaoo. Like I said, the difference between those superstars that was carrying the team was that russ was winning them games. he was the CLUTCHEST player that season, multiple game winners, and multiple takeovers in the 4th. Theres literally a stat where if he was on the bench, OKC was like a negative 30 or more. yall literally have no proof that he's statpadding and him being selfish. that season alone they had a winning record when he has a triple double, barely losing when gets one. so statpadding my ass. blaming the player who actually is doing something to help his team win isnt a good look. for starters OKC was a weak shooting team yet they were almost a 50 win team. teammates had nothing but respect and positive things to say about him. unlike you who says nonsense without no basis whatsoever. yikesss
@@diaha4398I like Westbrook but a good point otherwise. Watching games that season you could see Steven Adams giving Westbrook rebounds
@@mongoslade277 EXACTLY. Not just that but when he needed assists you could see him passing to guarded players. He would be wide open under the basket, pass outside and then get angry at teammates when they would pass to someone else instead of taking a terrible contested shot.
I know Russ was an underdog when he came into the league and I have nothing against him. But his attitude always sucked towards everybody. Teammates and fans alike.
I'm of the opinion the MVP should be the best player on the best team in the league. That said, with all the talk about which of these three players should have been MVP, the best player on the best team was Isiah Thomas of the Pistons. SO where is he in this discussion?
With all due respect to Isiah Thomas, he was not that productive in 1990. Not to mention, he had a fantastic supporting cast with Joe Dumars, Bill Laimbeer, Vinnie Johnson, Mark Aguirre, John Salley, James Edwards, etc.
In 1990, Isiah Thomas averaged 18.2PTS, 3.8REB, 9.2AST, 1.7STL, and 43.8FG%.
Same reason Booker didn't win it you need the great stats and top seed the majority of the time. Zeke by then was arguably not even the best player on his team anymore.
This is why All-Nba trumps all-star and All-Pro trumps pro bowl appearances.
Duhhhhh
This was the closest mvp race. If the knicks had a better record Ewing would of win it. Again nba team record is a determining factor!
Karl Malone had a better case than Chuck. 31 & 11 > 25 & 11 and Malone won 2 more games
you should do the case in 1976 season mvp race
Imagine this happening today with Twitter and you tube
In my idea, three two main stats to use to judge who is the best player of a season are the Box Plus/Minus the Win Share and the Number of victory of your team
Win share and Box PM because these stats were created for that, to tell how a player contributed to a victory (which is I think the true definition of a Valuable Player)
But I think that have a Win Share of 16 in a very good team could be more impressive that have a WS of 20 in a very bad.
Because in a very good team, that's less easy to be remarkable. If the team is bad around you, you will be more remarkable.
And based on that, I think the MVP should be Magic or MJ, based on what do you think was more valuable, and Barcklay a solid third.
Ahhhh. What an era.
I’m so confused, I didn’t realize Jordan played before 1991
Now see this is 100% a good video…!!! BUT it was 1990 not 99’…
This is highway robbery from jordan. Just looking at the numbers you see that. Not to factor in that he was first team all defense while magic and Barkley were cones on defense
Magic had a better team than Barkley. It's most valuable player, not most valuable team.
Chuck ain't got no right to be upset, if anyone should have gotten it was MJ. 34/7/6 is an ungodly statline and miles ahead in terms of impact compared to the rest of the front runners.
Olajuwon avg 24ppg, 14rpg, 2.2spg, and 4.6bpg on 51% FG, Olajuwon buried them all that season
@@hakeemolajuwon4352and only won 41 games.
@hakeemolajuwon4352 obviously you're a fanboy based on your name, but this is why we used advanced stats so we don't have to argue what's better between say, 30/5/5 and 20/10/10.
Olajuwon was 8th in PER, 12th in WS, 20th in WS/48, 8th in BPM and 8th in VORP. It's clear he wasn't nearly as game changing as these 3 this year and that's why his team only won 41 games and he finished 7th in voting
@@alexloeher8628 come on, unless you're talking about what actually happened on the court, you are literally not even talking basketball. You have no idea how to even calculate PER or what it even represents! You have no idea how win shares are calculated and you didn't watch the games, so you literally have no idea what you're talking about. Stats without context are meaningless, and advanced stats take every single bit of context out.
@@jadentesai SMH go watch games buddy, you obviously don't know NBA history
Lots of fans love to throw around the word robbed as hyperbole. This one is the only one in the modern NBA that word isn't hyperbole. Barkley had the most 1st place votes and should've won period.
97. MJ should have won that one
@@x-man9473 I don't think Jordan was literally robbed though. It's arguable though I think most would say it was motivated by voter fatigue. I personally think Jordan should've won in 97 and Malone in 98 instead of what happened.
@@CrazyxEnigma MJ should have won in both 97 and 98.
On both occasions, he had the best record in the league. He led the league in scoring and made an all defensive team. And his crucial teammates were missing a lot of games.
In 97, Rodman, Kukoc, Longley, Wennington missed a significant amount of games.
In 98, Pippen, Longley, Wennington, and Kerr missed a lot of games.
Having the best record in spite of all of those injuries as well as having offensive and defensive accolades makes you the most valuable player by definition.
@@x-man9473 That's a good argument for Jordan winning it instead, still don't think it's robbery though. Barkley's loss in 90 was more egregious imo. You had multiple people leaving him off the ballot entirely because they didn't like him whether do to the spitting incident, the "I'm not a role model" speech or just plain old dislike. Politics played too much of a role instead of just looking at how he played on the court.
andy can you also rank the year by year best all first team. thank you hope u notice.
what a great video.
What if Magic made his announcement that changed his NBA career forever 2 years earlier (but instead of retiring immediately, he decides to continue playing at least for that 1989-90 season), would that affect his run for MVP in terms of his image?
As a Lakers fan...Barkley should have won
I think Kevin McHale should have been promoted with some Mvp points too
Charles was intentionally screwed. magic didn’t deserve it.
Neither one of them did Jordan got screwed
Jordan should have won this by 10 miles
I mean, seen the statistical table you show in the video chick has the "worst" statistics. Even Ewing and Robinson, even if they scoe less, come on 4 bpg and more than 1.5 steals... and of course the other 3 are fantastic. It is true that advance statistics are not shown there...
The closest was in 1987 when magic just barely squeezed by Bird for mvp
after '86 MJ should have been the MVP every year with Magic & Bird playing with All-Star teammates and both being average at best man-to-man defenders (no zone defense allowed)... from '87 to '93 and '96 to '98 for 10 MVPs total should have all gone to MJ... fax!!!
The context to the narrative around pre-championship MJ makes me not put as much pressure on players today because if the media hated on MJ they’ll hate on anyone.
but it only made Jordan strong, but players today, not sure?
2016 was close too 😂😂
Idk about that. If 2016 resulted in a unanimous MVP, then I don’t think it was close. Well, if ur joking then forget what I just said lol.
2:51 sounds like 1999 MVP
Right
I love Sir Charles. It's still Jordan Magic(a close second) Barkley Malone Ewing. Get David outta here 😂
Look at Jordan's numbers & his defense, it's a crime that he did not win.
subjective award, means nothing!
Can we also acknowledge Charles was individually greater than Malone and it's not close in talent.
If we are talking shear talent and well rounded players, then Charles Barkley was better than Karl Malone. If we were to break it down regarding who was the better player, then I would compare their best 5 year stretch.
Karl Malone: 1989-93: 28.8PTS, 11.2REB, 3.1AST, 1.4STL, 0.8BLK, 53.7FG%.
Charles Barkley: 1989-93: 25.5PTS, 11.5REB, 4.3AST, 1.7STL, 0.7BLK, 56.1FG%.
@@damonsonnier34 karl Malone played in a great system that he lucked out with at Utah with Stockton and coach Sloan. Barkley had the rockiest set of experiences in comparison.
@@ianyoung8392 There is no doubt about that. The Jazz had the best pick and roll system duo of all time. It is hard to say if Stockton would have as many assists without Malone, or if Malone would have as many points without Stockton.
As for Charles Barkley, he struggled In Philadelphia due to the lack of help he was receiving, and he did not have help until he played in Phoenix. He had Kevin Johnson, Dan Majerle, Cedrick Ceballos, Richard Dumas, Tom Chambers, Danny Ainge, etc. The best player Barkley had in Philly was either Andrew Toney or Maurice Cheeks.
@@ianyoung8392Barkley joined the Sixers with Moses and Doc. Malone and the Jazz were 5th in the West without Stockton. Malone avg 25-11 on 53%
@@sideshowbobsaget8876 Are you talking about 1993? Actually, I think the Jazz finished 6th in the West, and they lost to the Sonics in the first round. That was the only time the Jazz did not finish as a top 5 seed during the 90s.
Charles Barkley was the greatest power forward of all time.
Berkeley's nickname "Flying Refrigerator" is very funny.
If Barkley had won a championship ring during his playing days, he would have retired in the best possible way.
All of Olajuwon's numbers were much better
@@hakeemolajuwon4352Olajuwon is a center so how does he matter when talking about power forwards?
@@CrazyxEnigma did you watch the video little kid? That's what was being discussed, the MVP race
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 The comment doesn't mention the MVP race merely says Barkley would be the best power forward if he had a ring. Can you read? Or is your head so far up Hakeem's ass that's impossible for you?
Remember, you need a team and good coaching to win a championship
6:14 real mvp
Magic deserved it
The closest MVP race was in 2005
Shaq vs Nash
Jordan or Malone could've won mvp that year too.
How many MVPs should LBJ have if it were simply a vote for the Best or Most Valuable that season? MVP is completely narrative driven.
That was close but it was deserved like every mvp
2:51 - wait,1999? I though it was 1989...
Drugz Barkley high on mvp. Now we know why he ended up as a ringless wonder 😂
Ngl these awards have lost its value in recent years because of the media.
Wasn’t a young Larry Bird also a polarizing figure yet won 3 straight mvps? Maybe he was just that good and the media had no choice but to vote for him lol
0:33-0:36...Adam Silvers lol
Shaq and Nash
33.6 ppg in 1990, damn
Most 1st place votes and didn't win, America makes no sense, you guys and your story lines. Just give it to the player with the best season statistically so people don't have to sit here arguing over it like children 🤷♂️
Barkley is still
Complaining about not being MVP