The 2017 MVP Race Was a Perfect Mess
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The 2017 MVP race was one of the most memorable races in the past 20 years. From beginning to end, this race was contentious and messy, all great qualities for a MVP debate. Both leagues featured memorable races with debates ranging from the role of sabermetrics and the importance of record-breaking seasons. But in the end, only 2 players can win. Do you believe the correct players won the awards?
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I swear every year José Ramirez ends in 3rd place in the MVP voting
JRam has a serious HOF case if he keeps his consistency going. A true baller.
I thought Jose Ramirez was robbed of the mvp in 2020
Outside of the first half of 2019 José Ramirez has been one of the most consistent players since 2017. He is top 10 in the league to me.
@@petersonofleo11 That year he ended up getting injured for the rest of the year... As he was starting to tear up the league.
If his season didn't end so early, his 2019 couldve been very well up there with the rest of his seasons. Remarkable consistency.
I have trauma from picking Jose Ramirez in 2019 in the 1st round
That Marlins team once had Stanton and Yelich in the same batting order…let that sink in
don’t forget J.T. Realmuto, he was also on that marlins team
Yelich didn’t break out till he left Miami and our pitching was so bad that our offense couldn’t do much 🤷🏾♂️ shit happens man
@@lexiescalderon5639 the tables have turned, now you have really good pitching but now you have bad offense
And you know just traded them
2017 was also the year Marcell Ozuna had a monster breakout year too. They had an outfield that every team would kill for.
They just couldn't win ballgames because their pitching was honest to god that terrible.
As a Yankees fan, I just need one year where we get 2017 Judge and Stanton for an entire year simultaneously
I think it might be this year
The end of last year seemed like a sneak peek of that. Hopefully they carry it over into this year.
Judge and Stanton will never play 155 and 159 games again because of the way the Yankees rest their players, unfortunately
I would take important time hot Stanton streaks over both hot though
Maybe it is just the fact that it felt like hot Stanton meant we won and even when judge wasn’t hot he still was hitting well
All I know is I think we can win 28 this year
2021 was pretty damn close, both hitters were healthy pretty much the entire year and Judge finished Top 5 in MVP voting
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I appreciate the kind words, thank you!
@@SportStorm23 you’re welcome and we appreciate your videos
Fun fact that I'm surprised how many people don't know: When Stanton debuted, he was known as Mike Stanton.
it's well known. in fact i still call him Big Mike!
Thank you for acknowledging the fact that consistency in a season can help a players chance at getting MVP votes (or any other award really) I’ve noticed a few times in a close race where the voters go with the guy who is more consistent even if sometimes he is a little under on the stats of the other guy. Verlander vs Cole for Cy Young in 2019 is a good example, they were neck and neck but Cole had a slower start to the season he didn’t really put up Cy Young stats till May while Verlander was consistent throughout the season. Just seems like a lot of people forget that voters care about consistency, doesn’t matter if we agree or disagree with that because they vote for the awards and not us.
Same reason Stanton won mvp over votto that year and why Harper won mvp over Soto this year
Would love to see a video on the 2005 NL MVP race. Pujols, Andruw Jones and Derrek Lee all had insane seasons
The elephant in the room here isn't so much the Astro scandal its that being a rookie clearly hurt Judge. He was the better player both offensively and defensively in every category outside of batting average. The voters were clearly hesitant to give the award to a rookie and thus minimized the statistical disparity between Judge and Altuve.
Which is idiotic because Ichiro won it in 2001. The Strikeout thing became a narrative during his slump and after the all star break. Again the idiocy of MLB voters that year will forever irk me along with not having Bonds nor Clemens in the HOF
I think it's a combination of the strikeouts and the position tbh
Aaron Judge led the MLB in strikeouts that year, among the least productive plate appearances in baseball, while Altuve's was ~40% of Judge's total. Only one Second Baseman had won MVP in either league in the 41 years between 1976 and 2017, Jeff Kent in 2000. When you have a toss-up between that and an outfielder (who regularly win the award), he probably just wins a tiebreaker there.
@@samfisher170 didn’t Judge set a strikeout streak record that August? I think that made some voters shy away from him also.
@@samfisher170 the difference is Ichiro was well established in the NPB which is basically 4A
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Judge got snubbed. I understand that altuve didn’t cheat and he had a case to win but judge got absolutely snubbed
Altuve did cheat
@@Arms1234 his team did but many people have said he was against it
@@Arms1234 his teammates said that he was completely against it
buzzbuzz
Altuve 100% benefitted from the cheating
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Another great video, as usual
It was the strikeouts that made Aaron Judge lose the mvp race. 2017 was around the start of mlbs rising strikeout rate so it was still seen as unforgivable by many fans for a star player to strikeout in 30% of at bats and there were popular headlines at the time about Aaron Judge breaking the record at the time for most strikeouts in a season.
Honestly it was Judges slump in august and a bit of September that did it. If he was average during those times he prolly would’ve had it. Altuve was just consistent all year.
Well Altuve has the Trashcan to thank for! 🤣😂😅
Not only that, but Judge struck out like 27 times in the 2017 playoffs, both the ALDS and ALCS. No matter how good he was in the regular season, striking out that much in the most important games of the season is not what you want in an MVP
@@flacogonz13 Astros players didnt strike that much due to eh TrashCan 😂🤣
@@eradicator1830 How funny and original. Got any new jokes?
Someone gave Stanton a SIXTH PLACE vote????? Huh???
2017 Stanton was another breed of player
The dodger home run😳
And votto was still better
@@billsgates783 less war = not as good.
Played easier position while Stanton played elite defense in right.
Stanton played in a big pitcher friendly ball park and votto played in a small hitter friendly park.
Votto’s ops was not really that much higher than stanton’s was and he had the narrative for the season. He had one of the most prolific home run hitting seasons ever.
@@jmsd25 wrc+>war and votto has a higher bwar which is much better for worse defenders like Stanton and votto still had more
@@billsgates783 hitting wise votto was better but if I was voter and I see some guy hit the most home runs since the steroid era I would vote for him. Is Stanton played at great American ballpark he would’ve hit 70
i love how the top 5 nl mvp favorites are all on different teams
I'll withhold any "helps when you know what pitch is coming" comments on the AL race. Instead, let's talk about Votto. People talk all the time about how the Angels have wasted Trout's career, but Votto is never mentioned in the same manner. With his personality, and his career numbers (which are so under appreciated, second only to Trout in active OPS+ for example), if that dude played for the Dodgers or Yankees he'd be a superstar.
I like the choice to put the two of them in the same picture at 7:52 with the two of them being the most extreme height difference lol
Judge was significantly better. The voters decided narrative and BA were more important than stats…
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Naturally this video pops up in my feed the day Judge and Goldschmidt finally win their MVPs.
As an Astros fan, one thing you forgot to mention: narrative also played a role in Altuve winning. And it’s not the Astros finally winning the World Series. Hurricane Harvey made Houston the easiest team to root for, and I have no doubt it swayed the vote heavily in Altuve’s favor, hence why he got that many first place votes. If you want further proof, look no further than Sandy Alcantara UNANIMOUSLY winning the Cy Young this year. He deserved the award for sure, but I highly doubt it would be unanimous had Florida not been impacted by Hurricane Ian this year.
Before the trash can incident I thought Judge got snubbed, he won it on pure eye test stats and advanced stats clearly stated he had better numbers but “muh strikeouts” argument won out. Now you’re going to claim record matters, question: is that why Othani and Vlad finished 1. And 2. Respectively in MVP voting yet neither made the playoffs? Yeaaa.
He also slumped heavy in august and early September which completely killed his momentum. Altuve was consistent all year.
@Ulises Leon and the stats show Altuve was consistently great all year.
@Ulises Leon yes and all season Altuve was the better player
@@Hacksaw_HIM_Thuggin Thanks for proving my point, even with the slump Judge’s Regular and Advanced numbers were still better than Altuve’s
@@samfisher170 Altuve was great all year, judge was great 70%. Altuve was virtually more valuable because he was more consistent than judge.
Can you do a video on the 2016 cubs?
That sponsor segue was smooth af
Judge should have got the mvp man he got robbed
I feel like Trout gets injured too much
This dude loves the WAR stat
Let’s stop arguing Judge vs Altuve for a bit and try to figure out why Ramirez got a first place vote when it was obvious either Judge or Altuve would win the award.
Need a 2021 mvp race video
That would just be “Okay, this Japanese kid is hitting AND pitching, I think we all can agree he deserves the MVP”. The End.
I’m a Mets fan but judge was much better than altuve in 2017
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Aaron Judge currently working on his second MVP.
By Juice balls*
I wanna see bat avg, HRs, RBIs,
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I think Judge got robbed. You didn't mention that he set the single season rookie home run record. Also how was Bellinger never mentioned. He had an incredible season as well.
How Altuve had a piece on
100% this^^^ dude lead in every category except BA
@@domthebeast6423 But he didn’t. So that’s unfortunate.
Well Mr Bellinger will probably be in Triple A by the end of the year..and who saw that coming!?
Don’t worry…judge has 2022 so far IMO…Altuve ain’t no slouch this year and Votto has regressed hard at the plate in 22 thus far, though he tends to get better as the year goes on. Unfortunately I think Votto hangs up the cleats after his contract expires at the end of next season.
the AL MVP race actually wasn’t close at all. Judge led Altuve in nearly every stat except for batting average (lol) and stolen bases. Oh and Judge didn’t know what pitches were coming.
Altuve didn’t either
Altuve didn’t cheat either
Then why Altuve had better stats on the road overall? That doesnt make sense for me
i clicked on this knowing it would anger me... man i wish judge had won that mvp
Stop it I’m mad already before watching the video how did judge lose
I was at the game where Trout hurt his thumb. 😔
Wasn’t harper on pace as well for mvp until he died at first base
Make a video about matt carpenter going off in 2018
Altuve deserved it more than judge. You can call me old fashion, but hitting for average is much better than for power in my opinion. If you have a guy hitting .284 (judge) and a guy hitting .346 (altuve) the guy hitting .346 deserves it cause they add more to there team. Look at tommy edman in 2022 for example. Doesn’t have the rbi, home runs, and power the other guys do witch is why he got robbed of an all star. But look at war, and you will figure out he adds more to his team and is actually statistically the best position player in baseball, just by his insane getting on base all the time plus stolen bases plus defense. People look into power way to much these days. You can’t say a guy who struck out 300 times should be the mvp just for his 50 homer season.
Just like yordon Alvarez this season. Sure he hits for power(26 home runs at the all star break), but he hits everything else.
The thing is Judge led Altuve in nearly every stat except for batting average. he even had a higher OBP due to the number of times he would get walked. I'd take someone with a higher OBP than a higher average, excluding everything else. Altuve had a fantastic season but if you compare all their stats, including fielding and Judge was the clear better player that year.
@@druzy1770 his stats are very misleading like you said he got walked so much you can’t just look at obp
@@SuperCarFan-we2ug Walking is apart of getting on base. Although Altuve had a higher BA than Judge, he did not get on base more than Judge in 2017
Even though Altuve didn't cheat, the entire 2017 Astros cheating scandal kinda ruined the validity of his MVP season.
I mean narrative is a huge part of mvp votes, as he said with Stanton. Altuve being on such a good team that ended up winning the WS definitely boosted his 1st place votes too. Even if he didn’t cheat his team cheating still benefitted his run
@@evanmendoza6116 no it didn’t dude, just stop.
@@Hacksaw_HIM_Thuggin it definitely did, the stats are closer then you think
@@DylanPlayzGames what he’s saying is his team cheating benefitted him, when he didn’t cheat.
@@Hacksaw_HIM_Thuggin and it did benefit him, I bet you if the Yankees won the World Series it would be way closer
barry bonds 2001-2004 unbeliveable
Judge is the real 2017 MVP
Who?
Who?
No he came in 2nd
@@LCSClips22 who’s watching the playoffs from their couch?
@@mike-0451 I’m an Astros fan, no?
Want to know what makes Stanton's historic 59 HR season even more ridiculous? He was performing half of those games in that cavernous ballpark known as Marlins Park (now known as loanDepot Park) in half of those games.
You'd have to imagine many doubles or warning track flyouts in that ballpark, and then factor what could have been. He could have been reaching 2001 Bonds territory.
I believe the rookie aspect made it easy for voters to hand Judge the ROY and gove Altuve the MVP so as to recognize the accomplishments of both players. You see this too with pitchers. Because pitchers have the Cy Young Award, they're not taken seriously as MVP.
Sadly these will be forever tarnish! Judge was the better player overall since the eventual winner was a CHEATER!
judge should have won
2 robberies in the same year
Right field isn’t less valuable than 2nd base is it?
Infielders always need to have higher defensive stats than outfielders.
RF defense is less valuable than 2B defense? Nah get him out!
Go to 4:23 to skip the ad
i am so sad that joey lost i am a huge reds fan
POV people were arguing of Houston cheating
Stanton only won because of home runs. Joey deserved that damn award. Sickening.
Votto and Judge robbed
**altuve**
As a Yankee fan I respected Altuve's MVP until I found out he cheated. Even though they claim he benefited from it the least, nobody takes into account how many at bats completely change because he has guys on base who DID cheat. So many more RBIs, many more pitches to hit with runners on, etc. Altuve would have had good stats but not great stats if half their offense didn't have inflated stats.
Well Judge cheated too in 2022 by using juice balls*
It’s obvious trout would have won the mvp if he didn’t get injured but the real question is would Freddie freeman have won the mvp I’m not sure because he had to compete with Stanton
Judge got Robbed
Judge got robbed by a cheater
*quashed
Just a reminder that Altuve did not cheat while his teamates especially guys like Marwin and Bregman did
Altuve didn’t deserve the MVP. Hate the Yankees, hate the trastros mote
at the end of the day, Elcheater cheated to win not only an mvp but also the world series. His wife is cheating on him right now along with his kids cheating in school.
Great rundown, well presented. You could say Altuve created quite a....buzz.....in 2017
Some ppl say the astros cheating scandal wasn’t that bad but it messed up The Whole year and put a horrible stain on baseball. They deserve to be kicked out of baseball.
As a Mets fan judge should have won mvp
Cy young nl 2015 case
Votto man
judge robbed. 💔
There is no good argument for altuve winning that mvp. Judge had an astronomically better season.
Judge in the last 72 games .22 something batting average. Surely astronomical 😂
@@viveknamikaze761 what…?
@@noahnussbaum8693 I edited it now
@@viveknamikaze761 I see, but who cares? Judge had better stats anyway.
@@noahnussbaum8693 Lol, there's a reason why he barely got any votes and that's due to inconsistency and that is a huge thing in baseball.
I wish Votto won
59 home runs doesn’t happen very often. I can see why they gave it to Stanton. Stanton is a monster and clobbered balls like no else in the league
@@jmsd25 yeah, that’s fair, I just prefer Votto’s style of plate discipline/OBP to the 3 true outcome style the league is trending towards. Ironically Votto turned into a HR hitter this year as well.
@@MrRocky814 I think Stanton won because he had a higher war. Vito plays first which is the hardest position to get war at so he had less than Stanton. Their offensive years weren’t that much different but Stanton played in a pitcher friendly ballpark and hit 59 hrs and votto played in a very hitter friendly park and hit 36. Stanton played a harder position while also playing good defense in right. Votto had a great year and had a higher wrc+ but Stanton won because he made more of an impact on defense and had a higher war.
You neglected to include Judge's FanGraph "Clutch" score from that year. It was historically bad. As in one of the worst of all time. While he's gotten marginally better over the years, anyone who watches the Yankees on a regular basis knows he's the LAST player you want to come up in the late innings when the Yankees need a big hit. Altuve, on the other hand, has more big hits just against the Yankees alone.....even just against the Yankees in the PLAYOFFS alone......than Judge has over the course of his entire career.
And this is coming from a Yankee fan who hates the Astros. If you disagree, just look up the stats.
Fun fact: Judge ended the 2017 season with the lowest clutch rating of al time
cherrypick stats… judge couldn’t provide results where it mattered. even though the numbers you show are impressive, they don’t reveal the whole picture
Altuve didn’t cheat
Great vid, personally i believe altuve was well deserving of that 2017 MVP but man judge did get robbed a bit in voting
i feel like batting average and base running are not as good as almost 30 more homeruns way more walks and way better defensive stats
Altuve had a great season but Judge was just better in every way. Judge deserved that MVP more than any other player in history
@@jmsd25 I feel like you worded this differently then you were thinking did you mean any player who didn’t win mvp because if so I agree
@@Up42351 “that mvp” was referring to the 2017 mvp. I was trying to say that no player had ever deserved an mvp more than judge in 2017. The voters have gotten it wrong a lot but 2017 was their biggest mistake ever.
Altuve didn’t cheat😤😤
Bruh.
He didn't, but sadly since he won MVP that year, he's gonna get a lot of shit.
He cheated.
You’re right, he was the only one not cheating on a team that benefited from the cheating tactics that his cheating team benefited from cheating.
@@Arms1234 nah
I'm sorry I know everyone hates the yankees whatever. Judge got screwed thay year and if he wasn't a yankee he would've won the mvp. Even without the astros cheating he had a better year.
From June 29 to Sept 12 (65 games), Judge slashed .202/.366/.422. You aren't going to win MVP if you slump through 40% of the season.
@Ulises Leon You aren't going to win MVP if you slump through 40% of the season.
@@adams_at ok he was still better. its given to the best player at the end of the year, and that quite clearly was judge. he also was better in september than altuve ever was lmao
@@shawndibiase It is given to the most valuable player and there is value in consistency. You aren't going to win MVP if you slump through 40% of the season.
@@adams_at bro what is this narrative bullshit about how "he slumped through 40% of the season". Judge was MORE VALUABLE than altuve was that year, simple as that
But still led the Yankees to the ALCS and BONKED some baseballs
MIKE ZUNINO MVP
… and then there was the 🗑.
As a Dodger fan - maybe Judge is the real AL MVP of that year because of the doubt cast by Altuve’s teammates.
Even MLB concluded Altuve didn’t cheat.
Even without considering the cheating, Judge was absolutely robbed.
Correa MVP if he doesn’t get hurt. 10+ bWAR
injury has been the only thing stopping him his whole career. If he werent hurt sop much of his time with Houston I think they wouldve already had him locked up a long time ago.
@@MrHeart12 agreed. If you look past the cheating his WAR in healthy seasons besides 2018 he’s been on pace for a 7+ WAR season every other year. Healthy he’s like Mookie Betts level minus the BSR
Jose Altuve will never have my or anyone's respect.
Talk for yourself. Dude's legit unlike your opinion
Judge got robbed
Votto should have won.
Altuve never cheated, when are you gonna get that through your thick skulls
People forget that was was good before 2017
I hate the Yankees. Judge deserved MVP in 2017.
Aaron Judge is the real 2017 MVP
Judge was more valuable to his team than Altuve. Aaron would have still went to the postseason without him. Judge's ridiculous September helped propel the Bombers to a WC spot, something they took great advantage of in going on that run . Yankees did the Astros a huge solid by taking out the best team in MLB that year in the Cleveland Indians, a team that had pulled off 22 straight wins in September.
Indians having 3 of the top 8 and not winning the World Series :(
Yannkes nations a judges should have won robbed by cheater Astro
Aaron Judge deserved ROY and MVP in 2017, especially knowing what we do know about garbage can banging. Only anti Yankees bias among writers kept him from winning. Andujar was hosed for ROY in 2018.
It’s so true. Cheating altuve didn’t deserve it.
Anti-Yankees bias among the WRITERS? They literally salivate for them, the Dodgers, and all of the other pre-expansion teams. If they don’t vote for them, there’s something else at play.
This award was stolen from Judge whether altuve cheated or not
Judge played so much better
Not for the whole season though
As an Astros fan, Altuve should not have won MVP. There were several players with better stats overall. Just another occasion where they (mlb) got this one wrong.
Altuve was consistently a top 5 player every month in 17. He absolutely deserved that MVP.
Steven, learn baseball please
It's like saying " I'm a Yankees fan and Judge didn't deserve the MVP in 2017. Alruve was consistently better the whole season, simple as that.