I think that most of the player base will likely be mid late 20s, 30s and beyond with professional jobs so it gives them the opportunity to not feel like they're falling behind as much. Aslong as you get a massively reduced xp and resource if using automated, i think it could be a good idea.
I would actually love to have an account on osrs where you can create bot behavior scripts. Would need to be a permanantly ironman account to not mess up the economy but that still genuinely sounds cool.
I think the long grinds aspect could be fixed with engaging minigames that reward xp which OSRS has been doing great with that for the most part. However a slower idle system sounds way better to me than the MTX system RS3 has where you can buy levels insanely fast. I don't think this system will be that effective to stop botters except maybe the lazier ones who can't code. But script kitties and actual botters who make clients this system won't stop them.
Why not make skilling/grinding more interesting than just targeting on one item or standing in the same spot, create more events/challenges/goals for everything that you are farming/skilling to make it seem more purposeful. Just a thought. Interested to see how the new "botting" mechanic works out!
The only way to counteract RWT is to restrict free trade. My idea surrounding how to make this fun still, is to restrict free trade until you become a higher level account. Like, way higher level. Make it so anyone within the "botting lifespan" cannot trade any amounts that would make it worth it. Then implement effective systems that ban them before they reach the point where it is worth it. And I don't mean to lift the trade restriction after 24 hours and some quest points. I'm talking after you put at least a hundred hours into the game at least, like far beyond your average bot's lifespan. Make the economy be a lategame player driven thing. Then of course implement systems that allow lower levelled players to still make enough money to get by and get what they need through other means that don't ruin the economy, like selling to in game shops. One of the ways this could be done, in my opinion, is to make trading on the marketplace a skill, like Merchanting or something. As you level up, the amount of items you can sell and buy are increased by a lot, as are the maximum value of those items. And you level up by selling items. But it would be balanced so that by the time you can sell large amounts of items and make enough gold to make botting worth it, you'll already be banned for botting. Of course, this wouldn't completely eradicate botting, but it would discourage people from targeting Brighter Shores instead of less restrictive games. But oh well, I don't think this will be even considered as a possibility, it's just a crazy idea by some random person in the TH-cam comment section.
I can agree on some points, however, you missed that bot account sales create item inflation making it harder to progress for new players and econ bottlenecks affect character power and progression. When a character is botted it levels effectively more than any player could without sleep making new end game items easier to obtain for ONLY the top 10% of players.
Lmao, this is EXACTLY what I said they should do back in the day for RS. I remember when the bots updated on RS, half the player count dropped, why even pretend at that point? Just implement afk activites into the game.
Look i wont lie I botted for several years with one account while i was in high school and stopped when i got a 2 week ban. I did it because I really enjoyed just letting it handle the tedious stuff and then coming back here and there to buy and sell stuff or move somewhere else or do some quests. It was awesome. It felt like a happy thing for me to manage probably similar to a lot of afk mobile games now. But with the afk games i dont want a menu with icons and timers. I want a full 3D interactable game that i can choose when to pop in. So anyways it sounds like a nice comprimise to me. But i do also understand the predetory bots and how legit players feel cheated when they did all the work themselves. With modern runescape it feels like maxing out anything doesnt matter anymore cuz everyone is still always better. Its like a long marathon to reach the minimum.
I think this system WILL counteract the initial botters (kids too bored to grind etc.), thus leaving only nefarious botters to do their thing, as you say in the video. But I think that's good, because then you've got less flooded reports to investigate and deal with, and thus, can dedicate resources to deal with those more nefarious botters in other ways. I.e. resources aren't wasted on a 10 year old who found out how to bot fishing just to show off to his friends :P
I actively develop both a personal private Runescape 3 bot, and help with a publicly sold one. The amount of customers of the public bot that are just dudes who want to avoid Iron Man grinds or something similar, is genuinely really high. Maybe 50% of the customer base, in my experience, is farming gold. Of that 50%, maybe 10% are bringing in an amount that could be viewed as considerable.
@@ChevalricRS Absolutely. I'd say there's 3 types of customers, mainly. 1 - Wants to avoid some grinds they can't stand 2 - Farms gold 3 - Doesn't really do either, just sees it as a fun way to learn programming 1 in 5 from the other categories kinda dips into the third. That being said, I've had people whom I don't know, had no idea they exist, but they knew I developed a private packet bot and reached out to me with decent $ offers. That is to say that your assertion of "if there's money to be made, it will be botted" is correct. RS3 isn't a game that produces large payouts, unless you have something like a packet bot. So despite the game not being worth-while without a very specialized private tool, there are people who do what is essentially R&D into farms entering new games.
They are marketting the game as a triple digit hour long game, not 10000+ like osrs. The game doesnt sound like its going to be long enough or content rich to warrant real world trade. Plus f2p wont be able to trade. To me it looks like botting wont be an issue.
@@Remmeeee Can you give some examples? I cannot remember any instances where a games Terms of Services had any real effect on the law, because that's absolutely not how law works.
@@gratedradish6699 no terms of service dont affect the law. But the law affects terms of service. To prevent scamming to a certain degree, rwt is banned/illegal in countries like the uk, netherlands, japan, korea, norway and im certain a decent bit more as well. (Doesnt have to be in a game btw) Companies cannot allow the sales of things like in-game money, skins or other assets. Companies are allowed to sell in-game assets for real life money with a permit to do so but have to, by law, enforce that no ordinary player sells. And where I live at the very minimum, the seller itself risks a real life fine or jail time based on the severity of it.
It sounds to me like Gower isn't implementing the legal botting system to counter gold selling bots. He's doing it to help us adults who have jobs and lives still make progress without having to stare at our player woodcutting. I don't think the 'legal botting wont stop illegal botting' statement matters, because it's not the point of the system. Something else should address that. right?
With more information coming out about this game, it makes belive that Andrew Gower was more of a problem when he as at jagex. I don't think he knows how to make a good game at all.
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I think that most of the player base will likely be mid late 20s, 30s and beyond with professional jobs so it gives them the opportunity to not feel like they're falling behind as much. Aslong as you get a massively reduced xp and resource if using automated, i think it could be a good idea.
100%, the system itself isn’t anything bad at all, properly balanced i’ll even champion it. But it wont stop bots
core game mechanic + available to everyone + not against ToS = ok, I'm open to it
Maplestory mobile had this feature, you could just have your character grind for levels while you were offline. But you had to buy/earn hours
I would actually love to have an account on osrs where you can create bot behavior scripts. Would need to be a permanantly ironman account to not mess up the economy but that still genuinely sounds cool.
I think the long grinds aspect could be fixed with engaging minigames that reward xp which OSRS has been doing great with that for the most part. However a slower idle system sounds way better to me than the MTX system RS3 has where you can buy levels insanely fast. I don't think this system will be that effective to stop botters except maybe the lazier ones who can't code. But script kitties and actual botters who make clients this system won't stop them.
Why not make skilling/grinding more interesting than just targeting on one item or standing in the same spot, create more events/challenges/goals for everything that you are farming/skilling to make it seem more purposeful. Just a thought. Interested to see how the new "botting" mechanic works out!
The only way to counteract RWT is to restrict free trade. My idea surrounding how to make this fun still, is to restrict free trade until you become a higher level account. Like, way higher level. Make it so anyone within the "botting lifespan" cannot trade any amounts that would make it worth it. Then implement effective systems that ban them before they reach the point where it is worth it. And I don't mean to lift the trade restriction after 24 hours and some quest points. I'm talking after you put at least a hundred hours into the game at least, like far beyond your average bot's lifespan. Make the economy be a lategame player driven thing.
Then of course implement systems that allow lower levelled players to still make enough money to get by and get what they need through other means that don't ruin the economy, like selling to in game shops.
One of the ways this could be done, in my opinion, is to make trading on the marketplace a skill, like Merchanting or something. As you level up, the amount of items you can sell and buy are increased by a lot, as are the maximum value of those items. And you level up by selling items. But it would be balanced so that by the time you can sell large amounts of items and make enough gold to make botting worth it, you'll already be banned for botting.
Of course, this wouldn't completely eradicate botting, but it would discourage people from targeting Brighter Shores instead of less restrictive games. But oh well, I don't think this will be even considered as a possibility, it's just a crazy idea by some random person in the TH-cam comment section.
I can agree on some points, however, you missed that bot account sales create item inflation making it harder to progress for new players and econ bottlenecks affect character power and progression.
When a character is botted it levels effectively more than any player could without sleep making new end game items easier to obtain for ONLY the top 10% of players.
Lmao, this is EXACTLY what I said they should do back in the day for RS. I remember when the bots updated on RS, half the player count dropped, why even pretend at that point? Just implement afk activites into the game.
Look i wont lie I botted for several years with one account while i was in high school and stopped when i got a 2 week ban. I did it because I really enjoyed just letting it handle the tedious stuff and then coming back here and there to buy and sell stuff or move somewhere else or do some quests. It was awesome. It felt like a happy thing for me to manage probably similar to a lot of afk mobile games now. But with the afk games i dont want a menu with icons and timers. I want a full 3D interactable game that i can choose when to pop in. So anyways it sounds like a nice comprimise to me. But i do also understand the predetory bots and how legit players feel cheated when they did all the work themselves. With modern runescape it feels like maxing out anything doesnt matter anymore cuz everyone is still always better. Its like a long marathon to reach the minimum.
I think this system WILL counteract the initial botters (kids too bored to grind etc.), thus leaving only nefarious botters to do their thing, as you say in the video. But I think that's good, because then you've got less flooded reports to investigate and deal with, and thus, can dedicate resources to deal with those more nefarious botters in other ways. I.e. resources aren't wasted on a 10 year old who found out how to bot fishing just to show off to his friends :P
I actively develop both a personal private Runescape 3 bot, and help with a publicly sold one.
The amount of customers of the public bot that are just dudes who want to avoid Iron Man grinds or something similar, is genuinely really high.
Maybe 50% of the customer base, in my experience, is farming gold.
Of that 50%, maybe 10% are bringing in an amount that could be viewed as considerable.
So what you are saying is that there is a big group who does bot for levels so to speak instead of RWT?
@@ChevalricRS Absolutely. I'd say there's 3 types of customers, mainly.
1 - Wants to avoid some grinds they can't stand
2 - Farms gold
3 - Doesn't really do either, just sees it as a fun way to learn programming
1 in 5 from the other categories kinda dips into the third.
That being said, I've had people whom I don't know, had no idea they exist, but they knew I developed a private packet bot and reached out to me with decent $ offers.
That is to say that your assertion of "if there's money to be made, it will be botted" is correct. RS3 isn't a game that produces large payouts, unless you have something like a packet bot. So despite the game not being worth-while without a very specialized private tool, there are people who do what is essentially R&D into farms entering new games.
My favorite part of OSRS is botting at this point. Im all for this.
You can still do those activities yourself if you want so I dont really see the issue youre having here.
This is probs cool for boomers but the games nothing more than a joke now if only "idle" games stayed on mobile 😂
They are marketting the game as a triple digit hour long game, not 10000+ like osrs. The game doesnt sound like its going to be long enough or content rich to warrant real world trade. Plus f2p wont be able to trade. To me it looks like botting wont be an issue.
Real world trading is not "illegal"
Yes it is, in many countries
@@Remmeeee Can you give some examples? I cannot remember any instances where a games Terms of Services had any real effect on the law, because that's absolutely not how law works.
@@gratedradish6699 no terms of service dont affect the law. But the law affects terms of service.
To prevent scamming to a certain degree, rwt is banned/illegal in countries like the uk, netherlands, japan, korea, norway and im certain a decent bit more as well.
(Doesnt have to be in a game btw) Companies cannot allow the sales of things like in-game money, skins or other assets.
Companies are allowed to sell in-game assets for real life money with a permit to do so but have to, by law, enforce that no ordinary player sells. And where I live at the very minimum, the seller itself risks a real life fine or jail time based on the severity of it.
if this was runescape easy 99s
It’s already easy 99s. Some skills easy all the way to 200m xp
FALSE TITLE: No it wont, dont bad mouth a great upcoming new game, Runescape is dying, has been for a while
Yeah sure sure… dying game with 100k active users at any given time. Yeah dying game btw
100k Active players but what percentage of that is bots @@Hydrog666 🤣
ya its not illegal to bot lol its just banable
No, remove botting, so what if people feel they fall behind, the grind being wotthwhile is what makes it great, accumulation is meaningful
It sounds to me like Gower isn't implementing the legal botting system to counter gold selling bots.
He's doing it to help us adults who have jobs and lives still make progress without having to stare at our player woodcutting.
I don't think the 'legal botting wont stop illegal botting' statement matters, because it's not the point of the system. Something else should address that.
right?
Yikes, another game I was excited about that I am now passing.
With more information coming out about this game, it makes belive that Andrew Gower was more of a problem when he as at jagex.
I don't think he knows how to make a good game at all.