I mean it kinda makes sense you gatta spend hours learning the move set just to defat them so I guess it does make a little sense why after defeating them you would be able to use there weapon lol
For those who don't know, it's because Ashes Of War, in lore, are said that they hold the memories of their previous wielders. That's why the Tarnished is able to just pick up everything and use highly complicated, multi-step signature attacks.
@@SnailSnail-lo4pm "Experimental firearm brought to the assault on Volcano Manor, where it was discovered that no one knew how to use it." I assume nobody *there* knew, but someone has to, at the very least, the person who made the actual thing shold.
Literally came to say the same thing, like he what? Knew how to do every ash of war with the same button? Lol I'm waiting to see how phantom blade zero's combos are gonna work. THAT shit seems like it's gonna be hard to master
Yh I mind when rivers of blood was completely broken people would only spam the wa lmao I still see it happen every now and then and give them a point down when I beat them lol
@darkwulf4862 True but tarnished does have his own equivalence to morgotts iconic moves The hammer- Gavel of Haima Spear attacks - Carian greatsword and Carian piercer Knives- awell the tarnished has their own knifes
@@chandlerrodriguez367 apparently it was an offering to the god (the eyeball on his stomach) so that he could be stronger to fight you in phase 2, could be wrong tho
Now that’s funny😂. The original joke in the short makes no sense, it’s like he doesn’t understand what’s happening in the game. Nice job polishing his turd into a legit meme.
@@snowmanica3821 wtf💀💀💀💀 bro i was making the same joke as u it’s supposed to be funny not offensive, the hell u mean “internet battle” i was tryna make u laugh then all of a sudden u just give me a hate reply like damn💀💀💀💀💀💀💀 and no i didn’t like my own comment but i liked urs cuz it was funny as hell, i thought we were starting a chain/thread thingy
@@TomPuppetmaster no it's not the games fucking easy I even have it clipped on PlayStation because the auto achievement clip bullshit but go ahead say cap not my fault it took you 4 days to beat the boss
I believe that the idea is that we are effectively channeling the memories of battle in the weapon, hence they are called ashes of war. That would also explain why you can’t do something like perform waterfowl dance on any katana, only on Malenia’s katana that has memories of performing the waterfowl dance.
And even so its only a single move the tarnished can copy or use, if he really was such a genius he would use all of the bosses moves, imagine the tarnished moving like Morgott, it would be so cool. Honestly he has the most flashy combos on the game for me
y’all sleeping on Godfrey fr fr. Bro gets stronger without his weapons. He has a style the tarnished cannot copy and that is “ They Divine Art of Throwing Hands”
Exactly! Kind of literally the entire storyline - gaining strength through runes. How can someone participate in something for 50-100 hours and not pay attention to ANYTHING going on 😂😂😂.
Huh, interesting point actually. I never realized that ashes of war were like muscle memories imbued into the weapons that we use and thus can pick up on the arts. I watch lore videos in elden ring and not one of them mentioned this so that's actually a really good point 👌
@@deathweeler8028 right. Weapons not imbued with the memories of those powerful warriors should stand to reason as being more flexible. Also, by carrying the memory taken from a powerful weapon the Tarnished can implant them via the whetblades. Example might be taking the technique from Nagakiba and putting it into an uchigatana. It's like teaching Yuras technique to the uchi. Should the weapon be taken by a new Tarnished it will grant them access to the technique also. Same would go for an axe and frost stomp
Fear not the man who practiced a thousand strikes, fear the man who practiced one strike one thousand times, return to monke, return to bonkstick str build only
Canonically the tarnished also raged war in the badlands as queen Marika says "where you shall fight and die, and when the time is right you shall be awakened by the call of grace back to the lands between" so that's where the basic attack patterns come from but the weapon arts are like memories engraved into the blade itself so when you hold the weapon you gain the ability to use the weapon art as the memories of the ability get transfered to you allowing you to use it to its fullest extent
It takes a lifetime to master a blade but even if you did, those skills wouldn't automatically teach you how to use two giant ass mallets as nun chucks instantly. Magic would be a better explanation honestly.
@@blackhand441Consider the deeper meaning of memory. Not just simple recollection of an event, but muscle memory, habit, and coordination. Remembering how it feels, not just how it looks. The memory becomes your own. A clever writer in a fantasy setting can easily say these more visceral aspects of memory are transferred to the wielder of a storied weapon, in which case familiarity and proficiency would come instantly. The wielder's past has just been effectively rewritten such that they've always known how to do it.
@@blackhand441 But nobody in Elden Ring masters their weapons. Look at all of these clowns telegraphic every single attack, using wide overswings and idiotic crap like that weeb draw cut. They'd die in less than 5 seconds against somebody who ACTUALLY knows how to use a historic melee weapon xD
And remember, most of the bosses are somehow connected to the divine... While you're some random person who was told to piss off until they needed someone to break the stalemate.
They told you to piss off because you have slain the fire giants, raya sorcerers and dragons before, and they were afraid you'd destroy them too. That's why Godfrey and his warriors became the tarnished.
To be fair as a tarnished your characters history is one of war as well. Tarnished were sent off from the Lands Between to rage war else where and that’s presumably where our tarnished originally died before the grace revived us. Can assume from there that we were a above average tarnished warrior
We exist in a layer above their definition of divine since our universe created their " gods " they never truly stood a chance because they're fictional and we created their universe .
No es así, el Tarnished es un elegido por la gran voluntad de los 2 dedos, por ende fuiste bendecido, asique no sos solamente alguien común. La voluntad de la gracia te hace inmortal, con las runas incrementa tu poder
If I remember correctly that’s because they’ve lost the favor of malenia and the erd tree and we tarnished are currently receiving it’s blessing of immortality
@@pig4795 in that case I couldn’t tell you for sure I only recently started playing. I’d wager maybe it has something to do with the true death or whatever have you and Renna speaks of and the black flame assassins utilize? Or maybe it’s just gameplay mechanics, who knows
@@pig4795 (SPOILERS AHEAD) The way Tarnished die in Elden ring is very iffy. I always wonder why Gideon, Godfrey, and the Dung Eater die once and stay dead meanwhile we can keep respawning over and over again. I think that just comes down to balancing gameplay over lore. In the lore, the Tarnished are continuously resurrected until they lose the guidance of grace (the “gold in their eyes”) (this might explain why Gideon and Godfrey die when they do, basically at the ends of their ropes and with grace preferring us over them, and why Blackguard Boggard will also die immediately in the Dung Eater’s quest, as he doesn’t have the guidance of grace) at which point they stay dead and are to be buried so the Erdtree’s roots may reach them. Tarnished are usually undying because the Erdtree feeds off their struggle, which keeps the Golden Order afloat. Grace’s guidance chooses the Tarnished who would attempt to become Elden Lord (again why guidance chooses us over Godfrey and Gideon, leaving them with a final death) as their suffering will be the greatest of all, and will feed the Erdtree the most. I hope that helped and wasn’t too confusing!
@@evil_planner Basically the "Greater Will" makes it worse for itself, as our intention is undefined, while Gideon and Godfrey had pretty much nothing But i guess that's just Marika going against the Gerater Will stuff And she doesn't care if she's gonna die in the process apparently
and they are all rotted/crazy/both/injured malenia is using fucking metal hands and legs, she doesn't even has eyes when we met her even thr fire giant must be nerfed by an injury at the leg to let us kill it
The ones going all out at full power is Godrick, Mogot, Mohg, Maliketh, Rykard, Horalou, and the Elden Beast maybe, I've even heard an argument that it was weakened because the Elden Ring wasn't whole though.
@@TheOtherGreyKnightactually Morgott wasn’t at full power, he uses some oh his power to maintain illusions of himself across Limgrave and Altus not to mention he didn’t actually use the power of his great ruin.
I know how this is going to come out but it’s easier than it looks. Once you see her go up all you gotta do is run away. Then when she goes to do the second part you roll into her then do that again and your s will carry you. I was shocked when I first did it 😂 practice makes perfect (I suck at this game btw)
I learned how to dodge Waterfowl after the 2nd time of getting hit by it lol it's really not hard to dodge idk why everyone has so much trouble with her. I had more trouble with Maliketh.
The chosen one of every game is the real scary one out of any boss. A simple being that endlessly hunts every enemy in its path, learning the most efficient way to dispatch them and capable of learning every form of fighting art, miracle, and sorcery.
It kinda made sense in the trilogy as all champions of ash were reborn from the remains of countless warriors, hence their accumulated experience and naturalborne strength.
List of our non official super powers (non exhaustive) : - Can learn any skill, weapon or spell in a flash - can resurrect - becomes invulnerable to any attacks when rolling for a brief moment - can teleport between graces - can consume runes to boost stats
This is even better with the Jar Cannon. Thr description tells us that basically the soldiers fighting Gelmir would be giving an extremely powerful weapom to turm the tides of battle. When they got the weapon... They had no clue what they were looking at and couldnt use it
Well yeah, I mean, who else would be able to wake up one day and suddenly decide to go on a crusade, killing kings, legends, knights, gods, monsters, and warriors alike. It’s like how the main character of every FPS suddenly knows how to fire every gun, as well as how they can handle the recoil and the sound. They’re just…chosen.
In defense of FPS games like CoD it's not uncommon for soldiers to get cross-trained with different weapons especially like squad weapons. Enemy weapons being used aren't uncommon, either, especially in modern wars. And special forces specifically tend to have interests in these weapons and US civilians have access to weapons similar in fundamentals which translate into military variations. This isn't to say that a person can and is going to pick up and perfectly operate a gun they find randomly, but they usually can get it to work rather easily. Swords are weirder in that it takes lots of skill to master the minute movements and biomechanics behind attacks.
What those guys said, while in some fs games, you are some hobo, (ds1 and 2 atleast, cuz in ds3 you have some experience from when you tried to link the fire and failed) and in ER you are an exiled/foreigner, depending on your starter class
Even just being a civilian sport shooter, once you know how to use a single weapon it usually takes very little time on a new weapon system before you can use it, aside from things like belt-fed machine guns since they need a specific order and method to reload.
After beating the main game and the DLC I sat there and deeped it, the tarnished is quite literally a beast. Casually just slays gods. And most commendable of all, rune bears and royal revenants
Ooooh that’d be a neat game idea.. as you get weapons, they start out weak and with just basic slashes/attacks, but as you use them, you discover new combos, better and more efficient ways to use them!
That actually makes sense, since that’s why Jin is such a powerful swordsman. He’s able to learn through watching others and adapt to their style (like with the mongols) or can copy their movements (like the mythical moves). I mean if he couldn’t do all that, he probably wouldn’t have saved Tsushima.
@@Erra_Mortisit is just a really fast triple swing. Almost replicable with a real human swordsman, but obviously not as great as with video game physics. No supernatural things in Ghost of Tsushima happen, other than equippable charms, that can't be somewhat explained away by coincidental weather phenomena and/or drug hallucinations.
I just tried to fight him at level 450ish and NG+3 and decided I'd try to fight him the normal way. I was getting absolutely bodied trying different weapon combinations 😆 🤣 I did finally manage to beat him after 6 or 7 times. He was just hitting me for half to 3/4 of my health. Wish my mimc tear summon fought like him lol.
@@austinhart2307 I cheesed the mimic tear once, I was in the dungeon before consecrated snowfield and fighting through it exhausted all my flasks, and I was on a sliver of health, but I knew there was a mimic tear as the boss so I did what any sane person would do and that is unequip my weapons so the mimic doesn’t fucking kill me. I guess I’m not fit to be elden lord despite 100%’ing the game solo because I pulled that stunt.
AND she was blind. Malenia is what happens when you take the bow away from Gough from DS1 and give him the power of anime. That dude could track you with his ears better than a mother could with an AirTag
@@thalmorjusticiar1 Ok, we enter a grey area here. So, there is this common theory that she is actually blind since there seems to be rot completely covering her eyes. It is true that she theoretically could see through all that rot and probably has the eyesight of a rhinoceros. It has not been confirmed, and I don't remember any lore piece talking about her being blind. But most people "agree" that she is blind and the theories of her being blind are pretty sound so I choose to believe it
I like to think that the reason the bosses have unique abilities and the weapon we get is different from the moveset the boss uses is because we only have base level proficiency with said weapon. We use it for 5 minutes, cause a Richter 0.5. Godfrey uses it for 30 years, causes a magnitude 3.
Forgot the part where it requires stats to hold a big portion of these weapons and you leveling up your stats using gold ruins is the same as a boss spending years and getting countless kills to master their weapon
@@SPEED_IS_K3Y I think we’re thinking of two different things.. I’m saying when they use the skill it’s much more destructive than when we use it. Waterfowl from Malenia does like 3000 dmg. We do it and it’s like 350…
This could still be seen. Bosses who spent thousands of battles with their weapons knows how to use their weapons and skills to the best of their ability and are bigger and stronger, compared to when the tarnished uses it. Like godrick for example his quakes are much bigger and dealier than the one the tarnished could do. The same with the water fowl dance. That thing is so hard to dodge when melania does it but so much easier to dodge and counter when a tarnished does it.
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Bosses who spent years training with their weapons
R1/RB:
752 likes with no cmt? Lemme fix that
Don't forget L2!!!
Hehe poleblade go brrrrrr
I mean it kinda makes sense you gatta spend hours learning the move set just to defat them so I guess it does make a little sense why after defeating them you would be able to use there weapon lol
Nah dude that’s DS3....R1, R1, R1, roll, R1, R1, R1, roll...
Elden ring is more like L2, Riposte, L2 get rect
Reminds me of sekiro where wolf reads like 15 words of a pamphlet and figures out how to REDIRECT LIGHTNING
the pamphlet was probably like “just jump and swing bro”
and it makes it even funnier considering that Genichiro practiced those lightning attacks until his skin burned.
I mean, all he had to do was jump at the end of the day. Easy peasy
Забавно то, что волк при всем своём мастерстве до прочтения надписи не умеет нырять.
@@Chunkyloops i don't think any normal person can just jump in the air and grab lightning then throw it back
For those who don't know, it's because Ashes Of War, in lore, are said that they hold the memories of their previous wielders. That's why the Tarnished is able to just pick up everything and use highly complicated, multi-step signature attacks.
So when I’m putting a wa on any weapon it’s basically just a memory I’m putting on or in my weapon lol
@@Njurt Yee
How does the jar cannon work tho? Nobody knew how to use it
@@SnailSnail-lo4pm "Experimental firearm brought to the assault on Volcano Manor, where it was discovered that no one knew how to use it." I assume nobody *there* knew, but someone has to, at the very least, the person who made the actual thing shold.
Imagine being the guy that has a single memory for the most basic kick a person could do😂
"Knows how to use every weapon"
*presses L2*
Literally came to say the same thing, like he what? Knew how to do every ash of war with the same button? Lol I'm waiting to see how phantom blade zero's combos are gonna work. THAT shit seems like it's gonna be hard to master
I don't think you guys understand this at all
Yh I mind when rivers of blood was completely broken people would only spam the wa lmao I still see it happen every now and then and give them a point down when I beat them lol
@@megusta3208 right. its talking lore wise
@@skungillian91 yeah exactly, these people are thinking solely about gameplay lol
“Foul tarnished, you can’t just copy my signature moves. It’s unfair.”
"Its unfair" - says a fromsoft boss
Given that Margot is the only one who's signature moves you cant copy (his holy hammer, knives and spear attacks), I'd say he is badass
@darkwulf4862 True but tarnished does have his own equivalence to morgotts iconic moves
The hammer- Gavel of Haima
Spear attacks - Carian greatsword and Carian piercer
Knives- awell the tarnished has their own knifes
Tarnished:Nuh-uh!!!
*disturbed snake noises*
Meanwhile Godfrey is like, "who needs a weapon or partner when you can catch these hands"
Why get good with a weapon when you can just become the weapon
Proceeds to take you to SUPLEX CITTYYYYYYY!!!!
Godfrey is straight up stronger without his weapon lmao
Weapon??? I am the weapon!!!
😂 I was looking for this type of comment
Fire giant: “RAHH ARGHHH RAGH”
*rips off leg*
I was so confused why he did that 😭
@@chandlerrodriguez367 apparently it was an offering to the god (the eyeball on his stomach) so that he could be stronger to fight you in phase 2, could be wrong tho
@@VODDIISFINEyes it is
@@alifn9632 sick I was right🤘
No you're right, I mean why would he burn it after lifting it up. Seems like an offering to me.@@VODDIISFINE
Shadow : ahh although i forgot his name he was a fine disciple of mine
chad spotted
Dante the instant he gets a new weapon: martial mastery unlocked
El Donte 😁 wacky wahoo pizza man
“Oh hey this gives me an idea…” *insert 20 minute montage of badassery*
Kiryu: Thats rad. *(masters a new fighting style)*
@@zoid_on_youtubeAnd bodies Ichiban alongside his team who himself is considered one of the strongest
Dante and Vergil are like that tbh. It's just that Dante is even more crazy
Boss: fights countless wars to gain experience
Me: beats up a bunch of frogs to gain experience
dont beat up frog people just chilling. go for the bird nearby and mercy snipe kill it. much better and quicker
Now that’s funny😂. The original joke in the short makes no sense, it’s like he doesn’t understand what’s happening in the game. Nice job polishing his turd into a legit meme.
@@rickkhemai1443 No, it's really not.
Better to be a frog than a monkey tho.
*adjusts tie*
We’re not the same
The weapon knows what it’s doing, the user just has to trust it
Mimic tear and stray mimic tear are the only bosses who know how to use every weapon in the game
"He shall know our ways as if born to them..."
dune reference?
I knew it! The Tarnished was Muad'Dib all along!
Is it me or everyone Flocks of the same feathers on the Internet , than Fake the Funk in REAL LIFE '' or '' are LAMES - STEALING GLOWs 🌟 😭
Bro knew how to tie his shoes and they said he was the messiah 😭
Lisan al-Gaib!
This is probably why every boss in the game hates the Tarnished
Imagine some random tarnished walks in on u and u kill him/her but then they come back over and over and over and over until ur dead
@@snowmanica3821 stop making up random quotes and using my name
-Godfrey, most likely
@@snowmanica3821 wtf💀💀💀💀 bro i was making the same joke as u it’s supposed to be funny not offensive, the hell u mean “internet battle” i was tryna make u laugh then all of a sudden u just give me a hate reply like damn💀💀💀💀💀💀💀 and no i didn’t like my own comment but i liked urs cuz it was funny as hell, i thought we were starting a chain/thread thingy
@@snowmanica3821damn. Man did not deserve that.
@@snowmanica3821 YO bro chill he was just trying to make another meme with your meme he didnt try to be offensive or smth
Warrior blood must truly run in thy veins tarnished...
You fool! That ain't no tarnished!? That's the Elden Lord!
Orphan of Kos: Is god-tier right out of the womb.
I mean… he is a god… just a newborn one.
literally a god tier
Man people hyped up orphan of kos so much and on my first playthrough I parried him death it made me so disappointed I never finished bloodborne 😢
@@mayuzumiandmethats cap
@@TomPuppetmaster no it's not the games fucking easy I even have it clipped on PlayStation because the auto achievement clip bullshit but go ahead say cap not my fault it took you 4 days to beat the boss
I believe that the idea is that we are effectively channeling the memories of battle in the weapon, hence they are called ashes of war. That would also explain why you can’t do something like perform waterfowl dance on any katana, only on Malenia’s katana that has memories of performing the waterfowl dance.
Yeah Bernahl says something like that ingame
I think there’s like a second blade that does a shorter waterfowl I don’t remember that name of it
@@Spiggybigotladdy it is Millicent's Shamshir skill. but we can't get it in game.
And even so its only a single move the tarnished can copy or use, if he really was such a genius he would use all of the bosses moves, imagine the tarnished moving like Morgott, it would be so cool. Honestly he has the most flashy combos on the game for me
@@Spiggybigotladdy blue dancer curved sword does smth similar with it charged r2. It s a weapon of Malenia s teacher
And horax loug fought countless wars and hit the 24/7 to get good with hands which is a feat no tarnished had achieved
Still dies to the tarnished though
@@GianlucaSabbioni-hn9vm we have the power to respawn tarnished are just immortal
Goes to show you that there are many bosses out there, but only one MC and that's you! You are the MC of your story, never forget that.
Well I mean I was sliced in half 684 times by it, I’d better be an expert.
Was literally gonna comment this haha. If I beat this mf you better believe I’m gonna do the dance on my next victim.
No kidding like I've seen the move so many times I feel like I could do it in my room
Godfrey: What weapons?
*proceeds to fucking destroy tarnished with his bare hands*
bro that's hoara. godfrey definitely use a weapon
Destroyed what tarnished? I killed him first try because i was so overleveled.
Yh, "my people need to be spanked sometimes," he said
"Need to show them who's daddy"😂😂
Probably my favourite boss fight in the game
@@Staplegunneryou see, that’s why you killed him easily. Glad i could help
"a tarnished...of no renown...will now never be forgotten"
For the tarnished, his main weapon which he masteres is the roll
Tarnished: "I can defeat any boss because I can do anything they can do."
Mimic Tear: "Good idea, I'll copy it."
Proceeds to get naked
@@quintenverbist6443 Well you know what they say, if you can't beat em, take your clothes off for em.
Wait, that ain't right...
@@michaeledmunds7056 elden ring xxx edition
Also mimic tear when you unequip your weapon: bro wtf
I'd buy that for a dollar!
Tarnished is literally so powerful he shrinks bosses weapons and armor so they fit his size
he could grow to the original weapon size and obliterate everything, but he's too humble
Wolf is Asian🗿
Ye
@@DarkNight9957 good argument xD
@@DarkNight9957huh
Tarnished: Hah countless wars, i got countless death as my experience
You use "Rememberence" to obtain their strength, in another words, you inherit their strength from their memory
y’all sleeping on Godfrey fr fr. Bro gets stronger without his weapons. He has a style the tarnished cannot copy and that is “ They Divine Art of Throwing Hands”
And so the lord hast spoken “do not threat on me i willed fuck thy up tarnished”
They do have that Devine art it’s called un-equipping their weapon
@@Justaplaguedoctor no that’s a cheap copy of our lord hoarah loux
@@Justaplaguedoctorjust a cheap copy
the tarnished can do that if they're dedicated enough
Literally what Ash of War is. The memories of war imbued into a weapon.
Exactly! Kind of literally the entire storyline - gaining strength through runes. How can someone participate in something for 50-100 hours and not pay attention to ANYTHING going on 😂😂😂.
@@PeopleRTellingmeQuite easy honestly.
Huh, interesting point actually. I never realized that ashes of war were like muscle memories imbued into the weapons that we use and thus can pick up on the arts. I watch lore videos in elden ring and not one of them mentioned this so that's actually a really good point 👌
But for 9/10 weapons you can change the Ash of war? Unless its just for the specific weapons that can't be changed.
@@deathweeler8028 right. Weapons not imbued with the memories of those powerful warriors should stand to reason as being more flexible. Also, by carrying the memory taken from a powerful weapon the Tarnished can implant them via the whetblades. Example might be taking the technique from Nagakiba and putting it into an uchigatana. It's like teaching Yuras technique to the uchi. Should the weapon be taken by a new Tarnished it will grant them access to the technique also. Same would go for an axe and frost stomp
Godfrey in phase 2 pulling out deese...
Deese Hands!
Also Godfrey: I LEARNED THESE HANDS
The rule is that we die by your hand a hundred times, we learn your moves and keep them as our own when we defeat you once.
But what if we never died?
@@kalebboliver4910"remberance"
Any of you know the song used in this edit
@@kalebboliver4910by Lore we died to them such is the fate of the tarnished
@@Pinakiprime910no, by the lore the tarnished never died he defeated everyone in first try.
Runes are a hell of a drug
Every time a Tarnished gets a level he gets a hit of that good good
and it always has to be a bigger hit than the last until you overdose@@NahIdSword
Fear not the man who practiced a thousand strikes, fear the man who practiced one strike one thousand times, return to monke, return to bonkstick str build only
I mean he is the mf that was able to beat all of them
Canonically the tarnished also raged war in the badlands as queen Marika says "where you shall fight and die, and when the time is right you shall be awakened by the call of grace back to the lands between" so that's where the basic attack patterns come from but the weapon arts are like memories engraved into the blade itself so when you hold the weapon you gain the ability to use the weapon art as the memories of the ability get transfered to you allowing you to use it to its fullest extent
It takes a lifetime to master a blade
but even if you did, those skills wouldn't automatically teach you how to use two giant ass mallets as nun chucks instantly.
Magic would be a better explanation honestly.
most tarnished we meet didnt and are descendant from the tarnished that did the long march
@@blackhand441Consider the deeper meaning of memory. Not just simple recollection of an event, but muscle memory, habit, and coordination. Remembering how it feels, not just how it looks. The memory becomes your own. A clever writer in a fantasy setting can easily say these more visceral aspects of memory are transferred to the wielder of a storied weapon, in which case familiarity and proficiency would come instantly. The wielder's past has just been effectively rewritten such that they've always known how to do it.
@@blackhand441 But nobody in Elden Ring masters their weapons. Look at all of these clowns telegraphic every single attack, using wide overswings and idiotic crap like that weeb draw cut.
They'd die in less than 5 seconds against somebody who ACTUALLY knows how to use a historic melee weapon xD
@@Gensolink alot of the tarnished came back to the life, such as with gideon and dung eater
Malenia : training with blind swordsmen for years to master the waterfowl dance..
meanwhile, tarnished after holding her blade : blade go brrrrr
guy with a pot covering his head:
@@theshuman100the legend
@@theshuman100who is half naked also.
@@user-2pysufs39who has two katanas
@@dovakinusssand he is melania killer
“Countless wars”?
Pretty sure Godfrey could throw hands from day 1
This song make me remember old phonk😂
The random ass albinauric wearing a potato sack and doing flips with a 40 pounds tree branch in his hand: 😶
And remember, most of the bosses are somehow connected to the divine... While you're some random person who was told to piss off until they needed someone to break the stalemate.
They told you to piss off because you have slain the fire giants, raya sorcerers and dragons before, and they were afraid you'd destroy them too. That's why Godfrey and his warriors became the tarnished.
To be fair as a tarnished your characters history is one of war as well. Tarnished were sent off from the Lands Between to rage war else where and that’s presumably where our tarnished originally died before the grace revived us.
Can assume from there that we were a above average tarnished warrior
@@jockturner1547 each origin has its own little references but, our tarnished is directly stated to be one of no renown.
We exist in a layer above their definition of divine since our universe created their " gods " they never truly stood a chance because they're fictional and we created their universe .
No es así, el Tarnished es un elegido por la gran voluntad de los 2 dedos, por ende fuiste bendecido, asique no sos solamente alguien común. La voluntad de la gracia te hace inmortal, con las runas incrementa tu poder
When you put it like that it makes it seem as if we’re the strongest ones yet we still complain that we get no diffed
Godrick rips out dragon head and grafts, instantly learns how to use it as a weapon.
Godfrey: What about you catchin' these hands instead?
The tarnished: haha I got goku strength and a big sword *bonk*
@@darkclaws1234567891 *Got oneshoted by a grab second later*
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 *weapon is river of blood*
You: *screams*
@@darkclaws1234567891 Nefed to the ground. No OP for you...if you dont trow boulders with magic. Still op af.
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 sure till you go against someone who isn't affected by your magic
Villain only having 1 life in the game.
The guy: infinte lives activated.
If I remember correctly that’s because they’ve lost the favor of malenia and the erd tree and we tarnished are currently receiving it’s blessing of immortality
@@Nerodarkangel7 but isn't multiple tarnished in the game that can see the grace die still?
@@pig4795 in that case I couldn’t tell you for sure I only recently started playing. I’d wager maybe it has something to do with the true death or whatever have you and Renna speaks of and the black flame assassins utilize? Or maybe it’s just gameplay mechanics, who knows
@@pig4795 (SPOILERS AHEAD) The way Tarnished die in Elden ring is very iffy. I always wonder why Gideon, Godfrey, and the Dung Eater die once and stay dead meanwhile we can keep respawning over and over again. I think that just comes down to balancing gameplay over lore. In the lore, the Tarnished are continuously resurrected until they lose the guidance of grace (the “gold in their eyes”) (this might explain why Gideon and Godfrey die when they do, basically at the ends of their ropes and with grace preferring us over them, and why Blackguard Boggard will also die immediately in the Dung Eater’s quest, as he doesn’t have the guidance of grace) at which point they stay dead and are to be buried so the Erdtree’s roots may reach them. Tarnished are usually undying because the Erdtree feeds off their struggle, which keeps the Golden Order afloat. Grace’s guidance chooses the Tarnished who would attempt to become Elden Lord (again why guidance chooses us over Godfrey and Gideon, leaving them with a final death) as their suffering will be the greatest of all, and will feed the Erdtree the most.
I hope that helped and wasn’t too confusing!
@@evil_planner Basically the "Greater Will" makes it worse for itself, as our intention is undefined, while Gideon and Godfrey had pretty much nothing
But i guess that's just Marika going against the Gerater Will stuff
And she doesn't care if she's gonna die in the process apparently
The memories of the weapons are unlocked once we touch it, like channeling the ghosts of warriors past!
That's why you're the main character and not that other guy running around accidentally cutting himself trying to draw his blade
To be fair, they still can tank 80 hits from us while only needing 3 whole hits to take the player down.
and they're taller.
and they are all rotted/crazy/both/injured malenia is using fucking metal hands and legs, she doesn't even has eyes when we met her even thr fire giant must be nerfed by an injury at the leg to let us kill it
The ones going all out at full power is Godrick, Mogot, Mohg, Maliketh, Rykard, Horalou, and the Elden Beast maybe, I've even heard an argument that it was weakened because the Elden Ring wasn't whole though.
The 5'11 Tarnished VS the 6' Demigods.
@@TheOtherGreyKnightactually Morgott wasn’t at full power, he uses some oh his power to maintain illusions of himself across Limgrave and Altus not to mention he didn’t actually use the power of his great ruin.
No greater show of pure and utter domination and strength from the bosses when your 5'11 and the bosses are 6 foot.
The dodges he had done in the video with the boss fight of malenia were beautiful and pure perfection
Agreed wish I could dodge that good xD I wouldn't get wrecked by her and certain other bosses so badly lol.
Yep the only move i couldnt Dodge, i think i can reply that moves now i've seen them with some try, but learning them by yourself Is pure perfection
worthy of standing side by side “Let me solo her”
I know how this is going to come out but it’s easier than it looks. Once you see her go up all you gotta do is run away. Then when she goes to do the second part you roll into her then do that again and your s will carry you. I was shocked when I first did it 😂 practice makes perfect (I suck at this game btw)
I learned how to dodge Waterfowl after the 2nd time of getting hit by it lol it's really not hard to dodge idk why everyone has so much trouble with her. I had more trouble with Maliketh.
Literally shadow in SF2
I like to think they just learned it from studying the bosses attacks through the fight.
Sekiro learns how to breathe under water after reading qn article on it
wolf is op
The Last Tarnished is a god level genius that turns the souls of the fallen into their strength
Quite literally the Greater Good by extension. The Tarnished is the inheritor
They don’t call us the copycat Tarnished for nothing 🏰
Ser Gideon Ofnir thought he was the only one who was "All Knowing".
The chosen one of every game is the real scary one out of any boss. A simple being that endlessly hunts every enemy in its path, learning the most efficient way to dispatch them and capable of learning every form of fighting art, miracle, and sorcery.
a true blank slate is the easiest to paint on and a infinite blank slate is capable of anything
And it makes them a mute sociopath to boot
@@KurusuaSasuke is still a blank canvas.
@@johnfulcher8448 well yea his heart is a blank canvas, his abilities aren't a blank canvas though
@@johnfulcher8448sausage
Bosses: years of training has lead me to this point. I have finally mastered my weapon.
Main character: that 30sec crash course was wild.
"I am Malenia, blade of Mi- wait... where did you get my sword? AND HOW THE HELL DID YOU MASTER MY SIGNATURE MOVE?"!
It kinda made sense in the trilogy as all champions of ash were reborn from the remains of countless warriors, hence their accumulated experience and naturalborne strength.
List of our non official super powers (non exhaustive) :
- Can learn any skill, weapon or spell in a flash
- can resurrect
- becomes invulnerable to any attacks when rolling for a brief moment
- can teleport between graces
- can consume runes to boost stats
Wouldn't the rune one be canon since it was quite literally given to us?
@@raulthetorchic7324 the runes are canon, indeed.
the runes, the resurrect, and the tp are cannon in most fromsoft games.
@@carrotbringer398 true, resurection and runes are canon. The tp is not.
@@popkhorne5372 it was in DS1.
From DS2 onwards not.
Well to be fair, "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"
"That mediocrity can pay to greatness."
right?
right
@@usernameig975 is that the actual continuation? Never seen it anywhere else
@@olu550 I do believe so. I'll try to find who said it.
Edit: yup, it was Oscar Wilde who said it.
It took the demigods decades, if not centuries, to learn their weapons
Meanwhile we are just like: "Yea, I know who to use the blade of death."
"A tarnished cannot become a lord..."
"your right... so il become a God"
"Dormammu, I've Come To Bargain"
This basically sums up every souls game tbh
@@i_like_Peanuts That was my intention.
“Behold The Elden Lord True Power”
"The old gods were felled by a mortal unnamed"
It’s like if we were put into a fantasy world. “What if I… Oh lord it actually works?”
This is even better with the Jar Cannon. Thr description tells us that basically the soldiers fighting Gelmir would be giving an extremely powerful weapom to turm the tides of battle. When they got the weapon... They had no clue what they were looking at and couldnt use it
That's the Power of Observation and Determination 😎
"I'm One Of There Kind🤓👆"
I'm One Of Thy, Kind.
Tarnished.
Almost Unlocked Malenia's Weapon!
Doesn’t just know how to use it, also knows the spells and magic to use them effectively (ex:elemer’s magic from his hometown)
No? All he's doing is activatijg the skills by pressing a single button💀 anyone can do that
@@Ch4lthemonkey I’m talking abt the character(the tarnished) not the player controlling it
Well yeah, I mean, who else would be able to wake up one day and suddenly decide to go on a crusade, killing kings, legends, knights, gods, monsters, and warriors alike. It’s like how the main character of every FPS suddenly knows how to fire every gun, as well as how they can handle the recoil and the sound. They’re just…chosen.
In defense of FPS games like CoD it's not uncommon for soldiers to get cross-trained with different weapons especially like squad weapons. Enemy weapons being used aren't uncommon, either, especially in modern wars. And special forces specifically tend to have interests in these weapons and US civilians have access to weapons similar in fundamentals which translate into military variations.
This isn't to say that a person can and is going to pick up and perfectly operate a gun they find randomly, but they usually can get it to work rather easily.
Swords are weirder in that it takes lots of skill to master the minute movements and biomechanics behind attacks.
i mean normally in fps you are a trained military what are you talking about
What those guys said, while in some fs games, you are some hobo, (ds1 and 2 atleast, cuz in ds3 you have some experience from when you tried to link the fire and failed) and in ER you are an exiled/foreigner, depending on your starter class
Even just being a civilian sport shooter, once you know how to use a single weapon it usually takes very little time on a new weapon system before you can use it, aside from things like belt-fed machine guns since they need a specific order and method to reload.
The tarnished slayed the fire giants, dragons and sorcerers before being banished. Your character is canonically an acconplished war veteran.
After beating the main game and the DLC I sat there and deeped it, the tarnished is quite literally a beast. Casually just slays gods. And most commendable of all, rune bears and royal revenants
Ooooh that’d be a neat game idea.. as you get weapons, they start out weak and with just basic slashes/attacks, but as you use them, you discover new combos, better and more efficient ways to use them!
Dante be like:
He observed his opponents and stole their techniques. He’s the ultimate learner
He is magic taskmaster😮
He's Kakashi
It's not the tarnished who is learning how to use the weapon. It's you, my fellow player.
The tarnished IS the weapon
We watched them shit on us with that weapon hundreds of times, I think the character can understand how to swing it after that.
Its like how Jin Sakai learns fucking Mythical moves just by watching it be performed once
Yeah Jin learning how to swing a sword differently is exactly the same as him using malenias sword dance bro 🙄
That actually makes sense, since that’s why Jin is such a powerful swordsman. He’s able to learn through watching others and adapt to their style (like with the mongols) or can copy their movements (like the mythical moves). I mean if he couldn’t do all that, he probably wouldn’t have saved Tsushima.
@@BeAsTMoDE528Have you seen one of the moves? The man literally just fucking teleports basically
Based, most MCs in souls like games know how to use every weapon and shield in the game, compared to most side characters and bosses.
@@Erra_Mortisit is just a really fast triple swing. Almost replicable with a real human swordsman, but obviously not as great as with video game physics.
No supernatural things in Ghost of Tsushima happen, other than equippable charms, that can't be somewhat explained away by coincidental weather phenomena and/or drug hallucinations.
Warrior blood must truly run in thy veins
I'll keep sayin it. The most badass mf is the 1 regular bastard who just doesn't quit
True Elden Ring gigachad:
The "Tarnished of no renown, whom grace will bless once again."
Mimic tear: I’m about to end this man’s whole caree- oh no he unequipped his weapons and armor, my biggest weakness!
Me equiping hoe's woe and the escorpion charms:
I just tried to fight him at level 450ish and NG+3 and decided I'd try to fight him the normal way. I was getting absolutely bodied trying different weapon combinations 😆 🤣 I did finally manage to beat him after 6 or 7 times. He was just hitting me for half to 3/4 of my health. Wish my mimc tear summon fought like him lol.
I’m a firm believer if you can’t fight the mimic tear as you are and win then you’re not fit to be elden lord lol
@@austinhart2307 I cheesed the mimic tear once, I was in the dungeon before consecrated snowfield and fighting through it exhausted all my flasks, and I was on a sliver of health, but I knew there was a mimic tear as the boss so I did what any sane person would do and that is unequip my weapons so the mimic doesn’t fucking kill me. I guess I’m not fit to be elden lord despite 100%’ing the game solo because I pulled that stunt.
Jokes on them. I still beat their ass. 😂
That one guy in school who copies everybody's assignment and gets a higher score than the original:
You said it. They are experts with their weapons. Meanwhile we are amateurs that cant even take a hit without a flinch.
Boss’s move set:💀
Tarnished’s move set: 🤡
Tbf to Malenia, her “weapon” she had to get used to was literally a whole ass new arm
AND she was blind. Malenia is what happens when you take the bow away from Gough from DS1 and give him the power of anime. That dude could track you with his ears better than a mother could with an AirTag
@@yaboikiba4302 malenia isn't blind, her teacher is. her helmet might make you think she can't see, but there are slits at eye level.
@@thalmorjusticiar1 Ok, we enter a grey area here. So, there is this common theory that she is actually blind since there seems to be rot completely covering her eyes. It is true that she theoretically could see through all that rot and probably has the eyesight of a rhinoceros. It has not been confirmed, and I don't remember any lore piece talking about her being blind. But most people "agree" that she is blind and the theories of her being blind are pretty sound so I choose to believe it
Me with a short sword and a buckler: "I have a dream"
"Can copy my skills"
"But can't my power and amazingness when utilizing it, you look like a turd cosplaying it"
- Bosses
To ba fair, it's still much more effective when the bosses use it that when the player uses it, so it still makes sense
If they're good enough to dodge the attacks, then that means they seen how it's wielded
I like to think that the reason the bosses have unique abilities and the weapon we get is different from the moveset the boss uses is because we only have base level proficiency with said weapon. We use it for 5 minutes, cause a Richter 0.5. Godfrey uses it for 30 years, causes a magnitude 3.
Because obtaining souls and runes gives you the experience and power of the being they're taken from.
Forgot the part where it requires stats to hold a big portion of these weapons and you leveling up your stats using gold ruins is the same as a boss spending years and getting countless kills to master their weapon
Meanwhile Jin after watching the slightest demonstration of an ancient forgotten technique
Spends years mastering a weapon just for the main character to kill you and use it better then you
The bosses use they’re moves much better than us fym
You saying you can't beat a boss with it's own weapon that's just a you problem
@@SPEED_IS_K3Y I think we’re thinking of two different things.. I’m saying when they use the skill it’s much more destructive than when we use it. Waterfowl from Malenia does like 3000 dmg. We do it and it’s like 350…
@@huntermoreno7805try reaching the dex req then
@@Dominated001 are you slow?
This could still be seen. Bosses who spent thousands of battles with their weapons knows how to use their weapons and skills to the best of their ability and are bigger and stronger, compared to when the tarnished uses it. Like godrick for example his quakes are much bigger and dealier than the one the tarnished could do. The same with the water fowl dance. That thing is so hard to dodge when melania does it but so much easier to dodge and counter when a tarnished does it.
By learning the boss moveset of course, something alien to elden ring players.
Orphan of Kos being born Literally using a part of its mother as a weapon