Just here to help the algorithm…and looking for that cray cray ‘@killa fonic’ to see if she is still off her meds and accusing our Fav of being a scamming-terrorist 7 months later 😂😂😂😂 but FrFr, ever since your 1st video it seemed like my TicTock feed was overrun by those Huns….😩😩😂😂 I truly hope these exposés helped prevent ppl from falling prey to the dry chalky waxy make up clan!
The narrative of these MLMers went from "I make all this supplemental passive income at home in my sleep and you can too" to "I work so hard, this is devastating to my entire life" really quickly...
Empire? You built an empire? You do not own a company. You work for someone else. The most you can be is a successful sales person/recruiter for a company someone else owns. These women are brainwashed.
Yeah, that got me too. The consultants don’t own the company and didn’t build it! Yes, they have built their down lines/networks, but that’s not the same as starting and building a company.
Yeah, that gets me every time. I'm like, what's your business structure (sole proprietorship, LLC, S-corp, C-corp)? Do you have a business license? Do you have a reseller permit? Did you file the fictitious business name statement for (insert MLM name here)? Can you contact the manufacturer and place a direct order? No, not the person selling you product, but the actual factory where the product is made, that you toured before you signed the manufacture contracts. Do you own your product formulations? Except for a select few that actually paid attention to what I asked and got out, the majority dodge these basic retail business questions. Then they try to insult people who actually own a business by saying that we're doing everything the "hard" way and they're not. It's just really sad.
I almost want to feel bad for them but once you start moving up, and causing other people to be out money, you deserve whatever is coming. You’re not an inspirational business woman for going on vacation while your team digs themselves further into debt. You’re just as scummy as the ceo
Also, acting like they just suddenly lost their income when they have 3 months of notice…. Obviously losing a job is hard on anyone but I feel like this is such a privileged take when they got quite a bit of notice, and most women you see selling this crap are upper middle class….
Just wanna throw out that 99% of MLM participants lose money. The folks that are upset about the model switching are the ones that managed to take advantage of social engineering.
I do feel sorry for the women who got sucked in and just joined though. But this should be proof, these MLMs don't give a shit about you. I hope people wake up and leave ❤
I just can't believe that mlms exist anymore. Like, we all have access to the internet. There are so many affordable makeup brands that outperform these mlm brands by merely existing. What's going on with these people? I used to think I was below average intelligence, but I'm pretty sure I'm a genius compared to all these people who get sucked into this. Also, why do all people who buy into an mlm look the same?
See I've done a few mlms and only ever joined for the free shit. I never recruited anyone but I've also never lost money. When I did party lite I got thousands of free candles and lost of the decor plus earned a little money. I did a home decor one in my early 20s and got my first pretty prints and knick nacks. I also sold Avon but honestly just to friends so I could get a discount. I've never really understood how so many lost money? Maybe I was just smart enough not to join one that requires you to keep inventory but handles all that for the seller
@@icianthea If anything the internet made them worse because you can just message 100 people and one of them might go for it. They use literal cult tactics to recruit people by the way. Specifically choosing vulnerable people (stay at home women with disabled children who don't have many friends, people who just lost their job, people who just lost a loved one, etc.) and promising them a better life. They lovebomb too, you get added to a groupchat with super supportive women who are cheering on your every move and telling you how well you're doing (until you're actually in there). I can keep going but you get the deal. Honestly research has shown that intelligence doesn't really shield you from cults or mlms much, they prey on emotional vulnerability and even the smartest people get stuck in these things. Though it's also understandable for us to want to believe it could never be us.
That lady saying friends for life is a lie with mlm’s. I was in Mary Kay and when I stopped no one ever talked to me again. Flat out dead to them lol 😂
When I doubled down on my refusal to recruit (bc I only joined to have positive female friendships), I was dumped. But I found real, lasting friendships away from all that.
The entire reason we have an issue with MLMs is because it sells a dream to vulnerable people like moms who want to earn an income while staying at home with their kids. As you can see, that income is unreliable even if you do earn something substantial. My heart goes out to anyone who will be left financially vulnerable. I don't want anyone to go without food, housing, healthcare, etc. That's why we advocate AGAINST these companies and FOR better pay, benefits, and social support.
I only feel sorry for the lower level people. Anyone who builds a downline and makes money knows they are scamming and lying to do it. They deserve what they get.
Now their downline becomes their COMPETITION! The fact that their commission is 25-45% highlights how over priced the MLM products are too, all that fat was being dispersed to upline previously.
@MotherOfTerriersprobably a pyramid or a stack lol, insinuating the huns literally stand on each others shoulda cheerleader style to make a multi level hun tower
“Building a team” is a funny way to say, “manipulating people into helping me make money without properly compensating them for their work or providing any kind of work benefits”.
Dont underestimate the 'cultness' of an MLM. I worked in direct marketing for only 3 months and we got brainwashed every morning. It was called 'training'. They even make you believe that important people in your life who dont agree with what you do are jealous and you dont need them in your life. Its absolutely horrible. And once a month the Boss Babe comes to pitch his rags to riches story and show off his wealth 🙄
@@amberly0317 I had to quit because i didnt make any money and yet i cried when i left because it was the 'best job ever'! I was so blind and brainwashed, i cant believe that was me.
Same. They even stressed not having a 'backdoor' so you'd put all your eggs in their basket essentially. They had this one girl decide not to go back to college and finish her classes that semester and this other dude had a career in minor league baseball he gave up. Super sad. And yeah they'd tell us that any naysayers in our lives (partners and parents too) just 'didn't understand the entrepreneurial mindset' 🙄
Slow your roll, ponytail girl. I got laid off after almost 3 years and literally got ONE HOUR’s notice before I was officially unemployed. I’m a dog/cat mom, and a wife, but was the primary breadwinner of the house. What I wouldn’t give to have been given 3 months’ notice. Also what do you mean “we got you”? Are you gonna find all these people new jobs? Give them a universal basic income? Cultish, much.
I was wondering the same thing. Are you going to pay her rent? Nope! But then the answer came "we're cheering for you" - aaaaah, there it is. That's what she meant with "we got you". We got you a cheer.
“We got you” is code for an incoming “hey girly! Can I send you some info about a new network marketing opportunity I’ve found that you’d be perfect for now that Seint changed???”
I grew up in a cult. MLMs make me so depressed they seriously prey on vulnerable people. Here in the US they target religious communities, military spouses, immigrants and many MANY desperate people. It hurts my heart to see any of them exist. They operate EXACTLY like cults.
Grew up in a cult myself too and understand exactly what you're saying. There really isn't a lot of difference with how these MLM's operate from the religious cults. Especially the whole 'reject any criticism of us' training.
It's so disheartening to see how many of these women have disabled children. They're in such a vulnerable position, often being stay at home moms barely scraping by and putting everything aside to take care of their children. The pull for more financial freedom, but also (maybe even moreso) the community of supportive women they promise when these women often struggle their assess off and don't have much of a social circle.
Someone I know from college that was in Seint just jumped to Amare, and Riman (sp?) which is skincare. She didn’t learn. Still working a 9-5 too, and gets zero engagement on most of her posts, it’s so sad
This is HILARIOUS! The same people who were saying, "This is not a recruitment-based company. It's not an MLM. We sell *insert hyped-up, mass-production quality, useless product here* and change people's lives!" are now fanning themselves screaming, "WHY WON'T YOU THINK OF THE POOR MOTHERS!!!". And the only thing that changes is that the recruitment-based earnings are at an end and the product itself has become more profitable. This should be your DREAM according to what you claimed you were selling, no? But you always knew your scam, didn't you! I don't feel bad for any of these women. This is a win!
@@snooopydooothe thread on Reddit I read was talking about someone else. Not sure what she’s up to but I’m sure she’s not taking it well I mean she built her down line with followers of her PI stories.
It's sad that people are going to have their income affected without much notice, but in an MLM structure, about 99%(+) of them were *always* going to hit a wall and get financially screwed over by the structure at some point anyway. In this case, it's just happening to them simultaneously (with a chance to convert to a new structure), rather being screwed over financially happening to different individuals at different times. Arguably this is the best way I have ever heard of someone getting out of an MLM - everyone else who I've ever heard of coming out of an MLM has done so in debt.
When I was in college, I put myself through school selling Avon. My Mother was worried I would quit school to sell Avon. No. I had a plan. I worked my plan and I graduated school. Avon was good to/for me. I was in school full time and yes, I had a "real" job at night. The money I made selling Avon allowed me to purchase a car, go on vacations, buy required text books etc.
those MLMs in the beauty scene these days don't even have decent looking product. i mostly think it's really sad, all those people wrapped up in a such a shady scheme in moments of weakness and vulnerability. it's honestly shameful. moreover, i do think all those people losing their job is terrible, and i hope they can come back up stronger.
MLMs are horrible and predatory. The beauty ones especially... There's too many amazing products out there for these beauty MLMs with their shady labs!
I'm afraid most will panic and just go to other MLMs. It's already happening. The most popular exodus landing place is this bizarre thing called Olive Tree People 🫒
I had to unfriend a girl on Facebook because she just kept jumping from MLM to MLM and I kept hoping she would realize she's not making money but it was just frustrating to watch and have to interact with.
I absolutely hate the "girly", "sis", "boss babe/ girl boss" crap. If you're female and a boss, you're just a boss! It doesn't need to be diminished by noting your female. This always makes me lose a bit of respect for those women.
Ooooh waiting to see Chelsea’s video on this. But those people saying the MLM teams going away is devastating are the same people that were saying it wasn’t about recruiting, it was just sharing the makeup they loved… so… they’re looking a little bit like liars now…
10:20 the MLM to "wellness journey"/"clean living" pipeline almost feels like a trope at this point. Bonus points for parasite cleansing, which research does not support, and which you can go see a doctor for to get an actual diagnosis and medication for if you have them!
This. Which leads to the conspiracy theory and eventually paranoid fascist pipeline. There is definitely some interesting psychology there, and perhaps the biggest commonality with all of these groups is a desire to be different, unique and have secret knowledge that nobody else has... At the cost of having a grip on reality.
so many people lost down that rabbit hole.... thinking their butt mucus is "PARASITES!!!" and sending pictures to each other without shame.... like guys!!!! do you have a liver? do you have diagnosed allergies or diseases or disabilities? then you're fine. my fav one is "chronic lyme disease" but it angers me when people self diagnose with the rare condition I actually have, I was genetically tested for (that my dad has too) called classical ehlers danlos syndrome and people are self diagnosing with everything left and right and making their entire personality being "chonically ill".... malingerers and e-beggers
It kind of grosses me out how transactional some people are. If I’m recommending a product to a family member or friend or even a stranger I don’t necessarily need a kick back and I don’t think that’s how the world needs to work. I don’t need to make a dollar for every word that comes out of my mouth.
My mom was a victim of Avon and my bro and I were young enough we didn't realize it was a MLM. She was also a hoarder so she would buy products that didn't sell and she just kept them. Learning about MLMs now i feel so bad for her.
Avon is Avon, but they were like 'mlm lite'. You could buy from a rep or order from a catalogue or website, without anyone haunting you to sell or have promo parties or rep. They didn't have meetings or gatherings or anything and most reps never met or even knew the name of other reps. Most of the women selling Avon in the 80s, did it just for the discounts or free items, and the social aspect of delivering the orders, by hand, to other women's homes. Usually included (at the very least) some chit-chat and socializing and a way to get out of the house for a bit. They never did it for the money, because it was never marketed as a job or money maker. They were Avon ladies, and they did what ladies did (at that time). I had one friend who was an Avon lady and my grandmother (who was a nurse) was an Avon lady. The emphasis was always on 'lady'. Different time, different culturally.
Do you ever notice a correlation between MLM sellers and an emotional story connected to the product? Not to discredit their experience, but that in itself feels manipulative and that’s the core of MLM marketing structure. Selling a dream.
@@cutecupcake8604 oh I absolutely agree! MLMs really sell the “community” over the actual product. Those shared experiences definitely factor into the manipulation 😞
It also bothers me that she's talking like we should be monetizing everything we do and like - if a friend asks me for recommendations for places to eat in my town, I'm not gonna hold up my hand for a 'kick back' because the restaurant might see some income off of her going there.
Idk how in the year of 2024 there are still people who buy into the whole MLM thing. I maybe understand older people who grew up doing it but when my younger friends make that jump I question their critical thinking skills😅 There is just so much information out there to prove they generally don’t work like they say they do , it is baffling that people don’t do even a bit of research before signing up to sell something.
I'm Gen X & I have compassion fatigue with this. I didn't really understand the model when I got invited to my first 1990s candle parties lol, but I accidentally started a local trend of calling them "buy my crap parties." 😂 Once I understood, I was so sweet & encouraging when trying to educate others, even watching them join MLM after MLM. I learned by 2010 that a lot of people will happily get scammed for the intoxicating mixture of what feels like friendship & the ability to pretend that the job is the same as high level sales or consulting. Both are fake and I even have one former friend who admits it. She's now gone MAGA because it's easier socially, tells me a lot... I think the loneliness epidemic is actually the root cause but I am just done feeling bad for people who actively & assertively choose to be scammed. But I also had to talk down a confused 25 yr old last week ...from joining the Jehovah's Witnesses. She's barely protestant, likes to drink, likes to wear sexy clothes... I really don't know where these kids get some of these ideas lol...
I'm a disabled single parent, the only 'jobs' I can find and access are mlm's. The state of that workforce worldwide is awful, with little opportunity for disabled people or stay at home parents. Thankfully i just about get by with government aid but if I didn't then I could certainly see myself being victim to a company like this. They're easier to get into than any other remote working job and their websites can be incredibly convincing to some people. I thankfully know better than to sign up to a company like this but desperation makes you do things you never thought you would
easily influenced, uneducated women who can't think for themselves or are desperate for friends/money/"the dream" .... I don't understand how you could get so sucked in (especially in utah where the MLM's are in every second house!) and be oblivious and not even google the "new business opportunity"!! It's hard not to think of them as pathetic and greedy but I try to be charitable and call them ignorant instead..... 😅
@@nataliebernarda scam. These ‘doctors’ come on ads and claim that every single health issue is caused by millions of parasites in our bodies-so we could live forever if we…. Probably use some veterinary product until we die.🙄
@@nataliebernard It’s an offshoot of the ‘detox’ nonsense, where people do weird diets and herbal supplements to flush out imaginary intestinal parasites which can be blamed for all and any symptoms (and even, apparently, autism. Yup.)
I felt the last woman was just dying to say "just let us know which MLM company you're moving to now and we'll get everyone involved in that one". Kerching! Of course people are going to lose out if they have been at the top of that pyramid. They had to work to get people sucked in. Then they can sit back a little and still have the cash flowing in. Will they carry on the new way or just move to another MLM? Which ever is the quickest to bring in the bucks, never mind who you hurt, would be my guess.
They know they’re not going to make any money through affiliate marketing. The uplines make money because their down lines have to buy products to stay active. Who is buying Seint that isn’t in the company?
I love the way she’s all upset that it’s not ‘special’ anymore and she’ll actually have to work instead of piggybacking 😂 It’s now every person for themselves. They need to take what they have and push harder while competing with their ‘friends’ there’s now an over saturation of sellers
My friend just joined an mlm. I guess I called her out by asking if she was aware it was an mlm, and no response. She also has a ton of new friends overnight lol! I feel bad for her
The last lady is the worst: the kind of toxic positive mentality that shames people that give up MLMs to explore other sources of income and call them "quitters" or "not strong enough".
10:23 i had the same reaction when i heard the phrase “parasite cleansing” 😭 i don’t know what that is and i am fully admitting to judging a book by its cover here but i am Not A Fan of the concept it put in my mind…
I dated a guy 35 yrs ago who sold Amway as a side hustle & wore their aftershave. The smell was putrid & used to make me gag… we didn’t date for long lol.
I know two people who were six figure earners with MLMs and they both jumped ship from the whole model at the beginning of the year because it is sinking. They now have a business teaching people how to maximise sales with affiliate programs because that's where the money is. Surprised more people who actually benefitted from the MLM scam didn't see it coming.
I recall contacting a woman who was selling his stuff. My first question was asking if this was a MLM type of thing. She said it wasn’t, she was her own employer. I web searched for Seint and learned otherwise. When I asked why she lied, she got a bit feisty with me.
MLMs are a cancer on the face of society. I feel for people who have been caught up in one, but at the same time, I think moving away from an MLM model to an affiliate model is a much better thing.
It's bittersweet because anti-MLMers have only been trying to warn these people that they don't own their own businesses and it can be ripped from you at any second.
Not this particular company, but my Mom still purchases Mary Kay products. I have tried and tried to explain to her how, as an MLM company, it is a pyramid scheme scam, but she keeps insisting that she is "supporting her friend" by buying the products from her (when in reality it isn't quite like that with the scam company)
I just have to say, I’ve been catching up on the welsh boys’ content and Robert, yourself and your brothers are truly the gems of TH-cam. Intelligent and well-spoken with hearts of gold and an idiot goof side to keep it fun. I just adore y’all. ❤
Went to the comments of the last TT’r in Robert’s video and I knew they wouldn’t let me down 🤦🏽♀️. The creator is ignoring the fact that MLMs are predatory and hurt vulnerable people.
MLMs are certainly such a high control group but I don’t get why these women are shocked by anti mlm people reacting the way they do! Like so many MLM huns are out there essentially making fun of you for staying “poor” and not taking this “opportunity” to be a “boss babe” like…if you were extremely demanding and rude to these people…they’re not gonna be empathetic
7:26 I adore your compassion, Robert, but most people who are at the top of an MLM and are actually making a living at it will simply slide on over to another MLM if this one fails for any reason. It's not as if they actually care about the products or their customers. They just have to find a relatively new MLM because the only ones who make any real money from these schemes are the people who join the earliest. It's probably annoying to have to restructure your business model,but they are well aware of the nature of this scam and are well prepared to do it over and over and over again.
But wait - aren’t they “small business owners”? So they can just say no to the change then right? They give us constant spiels about ‘being their own boss’, and being able to work/not work when and where you want and how fabulous that is! How they could never work within a traditional role again. And then one day they wake up to an email telling them that everything they had been working for within their “small business” is now essentially completely worthless. Source of income lost in an instant. I hate MLMs but this is awful, most people who join them are probably decent people being almost brainwashed in a sense by the higher ups.
This is exactly what The Body Shop did recently when they got rid of their ‘the body shop at home’ section. However the commission I understand is nowhere near this level. I believe many more MLM’s will go this way for sure 👌
The Body Shop is in Administration, I don't that think they are using Affiliate links and paying commission to anybody whilst in Administration as they owe a lot of people money.
🙄😑 the lady with the hysterectomy... losing 100lbs working on your health and using cream products will definitely make you feel better. No way it's THE BRAND that helped her.
@sophroniel oh thank you so much!! If you wanna be friends on Insta lemme know lol I'm trying to get back in to doing my makeup but it's hard to get motivated 🙃
My cousin just started working an MLM and i dont even know what shes selling but im seeing her post several times a day trying to recruit people. Not a clue to the actual product being sold.
This is what the anti-mlm content creators have been trying to tell everyone: mlm isnt a lucrative business, and you could be dropped anytime WITHOUT notice! How many mlm companies have switched to “non-recruiting” overnight? Worse part, so many of them were locked out of the compensation that they hadnt cashed out yet.
Jen Luv has just done a vid on this. Monthly sales and the commission they earn are: 0 - $999.99.= 25% $1000 - $2499.99 = 30% $2500 - $4999.99 = 35% $5000 - $14,999.99 = 40% $15,000+ = 45% That's a heck of a lot of sales, and, if you live in CA, you need to make even more sales at each commission percentage.
1. MLMs are predatory. 2. The women who recruited were participating in exploitation and the women she's talking about were probably not making any money in this system. 3. That lady who talked about cleansing parasites is especially full of crap.
The “all these moms and families will lose their incomes!” is nonsense. According to the 2023 Seint income disclosure for the US, 93.59% of their Artists made an average of $985 or less over the year. Another 4.15% made an average of $8,525 for the entire year. 2.26% of their Artists were earning an average that could be an actual yearly salary. If only there were a shape to describe this salary distribution structure . . . maybe a pyramid?
Those income disclosures don't include the taxes or costs that they had for their 1099 contract employees "business". So in reality most of those people lost money.
So true. The only people you see crying over this are the ones at the top who actually made money. For the vast majority, there was no income to lose. This is actually a lucky break and an easy out for them. Maybe they won't get sucked into another. They may actually do much better as affiliates without all the unpaid labor and BS.
The commission looks good until you look at the requirements. To make 45% you have to sell a whopping 15,000 PER MONTH!!!! This is from @Jenluvs video on this subject.
tbh hearing this person at 15:32 go on about “think of all the hurt mothers” gets me so heated like these leeches made all their money scamming much poorer women, they should keep single mothers out of their mouths
Oh dear. The wellness journey chick is obviously insane. 😂 The one after her really doesn't seem to understand why people dont like MLM schemes... I mean, there are a decent amount of jobs that let you work from home. I can't imagine THAT many women have really built up "an empire" and are making so much money that its going to seriously affect a family. Maybe I'm wrong... But it just seems crazy!
Wow! That commission level should tell people how overpriced the products are. Also you’re a kinder person than me, IDGAF that those at the top of the tree are losing their income now they won’t have a down line, they reap what they sow.
Robert lemme tell ya. This is all that my IG has been showing all week! So many girls I went to High-school with were in Seint and pretty high up as well. They have all been crying and upset over this change. But the plot twist is- most of them have already jumped into a new MLM!!
This was hard to watch, not because of Robert but hearing the language MLMs and those involved in them use just really gives me the ick. I really hope that anyone negatively impacted by this change gets the chance to build themselves back up again (just even more hope it's not with another MLM) but they're actually being treated better than a regular employee would be. They've been given multiple months notice to find an alternative source of income if needed, most people are lucky to get 2 weeks.
I'm not a doctor but I don't think your uterus have anything to do with makeup. I mean if they also removed her ovaries and sent her into menopause I guess her skin type may have changed but that's about it. She lost me at parasite cleanse though 🤦🏻♀ Also I had to block the word Sient on IG because of how annoying the reps were. They definitely rank high on the MLM cult status list.
One of my friends tried to get me into a grocery delivery MLM. She gave me samples and the toilet paper was Charmin priced, but truck stop 1-ply quality that's so harsh it could have cut your arse! Nope thank you!😮😂
Just want to remind everybody that Robert does not need make up/beauty but make up/beauty needs Robert. Hope everybody’s having a gorgeous day and remember you are fabulous.💜🖤
MLM reps erroneously used their sales(aka recruiting) tactics as "affiliate marketing" for YEARS , and now this is actually the case. So yeah, "should" be "fine" for them 😅 since they're now affiliates
What they are really doing is shedding their intestinal lining when they take “parasite cleansing” products, many wellness nut huns fall for it. They want to be all natural, but they will take fistfuls of unregulated supplements every day. 🤷♀️
😂😂😂 these people have mucus coming out of their butt and think they have worms.... they send each other these pictures!!!! people need to realise that having a liver means you require no "detox" or "clease", and unless you have specific symptoms you are HIGHLY unlikely to have a freakin parasite
I agree. 25-45% sounds great-but what about product price? I’ve never looked up Seint prices (don’t really care to either) but I can’t imagine wanting to pay much of anything for a not great product when so many other better products exist. That aren’t part of a shitty pyramid scheme.
❤😍 the whole eye look, especially the eyeshadow today. MLMs have always been predatory,this just makes me think about how much more new content will be out there now with the sole purpose to market these products.
That means: 1) All the people in those “teams” are now pitted against each other. 2) We’re going to be seeing a flood of undisclosed ads from Seint “affiliates” on TikTok. 3) Regarding the “it’s like any other affiliate link video” that in and of itself is troublesome. For me personally, as soon as I see ANYTHING that says “Amazon haul” or like 90% of the items they mentioned are affiliate links, I immediately disregard whatever the person says because I feel like I’m being sold to. That’s why I stopped watching one particular creator on TH-cam-Almost the entirety of her videos became “Amazon Haul” videos with new favorites every 2 weeks or every month. Same thing with Mikayla on TikTok. I REFUSE to watch her, anyone who stitches her or any brand that features her on their ads.
I noticed a few MLM companies switching their MLM model off and changing to a model that just pays out for product sales. Obviously trying to avoid getting shut down by the FTC. The majority of MLM customers are the reps themselves so that is why they focus so much on recruiting. The more people below you, the more money you make off whoever they recruit. What the companies and top reps don’t want you to know is that the MLM model is majorly flawed. If you recruit 5 people and those people recruit 5 people each and so on, you can only make 13 cycles of that before you exceed the population of earth.
This is the original video to watch before this one! 🖤 - th-cam.com/video/49jB7PtU7Wo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=h15-KKFzKiWky7IZ
Just here to help the algorithm…and looking for that cray cray ‘@killa fonic’ to see if she is still off her meds and accusing our Fav of being a scamming-terrorist 7 months later 😂😂😂😂 but FrFr, ever since your 1st video it seemed like my TicTock feed was overrun by those Huns….😩😩😂😂 I truly hope these exposés helped prevent ppl from falling prey to the dry chalky waxy make up clan!
I watched this when it was first out but noticed it had appeared back in my recommended feed a few days ago. The algorithm must have known.
MLM is an an absolute abuse of "Word of mouth" recommendations & turning it into a hard sell environment. Glad it's being stomped out.
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The narrative of these MLMers went from "I make all this supplemental passive income at home in my sleep and you can too" to "I work so hard, this is devastating to my entire life" really quickly...
Saw that too?!?
Right????
that's such a good point omg
Same thing happened with Advocare
Statement one is for recruiting, statement two is to keep recruits in line.
Empire? You built an empire? You do not own a company. You work for someone else. The most you can be is a successful sales person/recruiter for a company someone else owns. These women are brainwashed.
Yeah, that got me too. The consultants don’t own the company and didn’t build it! Yes, they have built their down lines/networks, but that’s not the same as starting and building a company.
Yeah, that gets me every time. I'm like, what's your business structure (sole proprietorship, LLC, S-corp, C-corp)? Do you have a business license? Do you have a reseller permit? Did you file the fictitious business name statement for (insert MLM name here)? Can you contact the manufacturer and place a direct order? No, not the person selling you product, but the actual factory where the product is made, that you toured before you signed the manufacture contracts. Do you own your product formulations?
Except for a select few that actually paid attention to what I asked and got out, the majority dodge these basic retail business questions. Then they try to insult people who actually own a business by saying that we're doing everything the "hard" way and they're not. It's just really sad.
I almost want to feel bad for them but once you start moving up, and causing other people to be out money, you deserve whatever is coming. You’re not an inspirational business woman for going on vacation while your team digs themselves further into debt. You’re just as scummy as the ceo
I bet she practiced this same speech, dramatic hand gestures and pauses in the mirror that morning.
Also, acting like they just suddenly lost their income when they have 3 months of notice…. Obviously losing a job is hard on anyone but I feel like this is such a privileged take when they got quite a bit of notice, and most women you see selling this crap are upper middle class….
Imagine getting fired when you’re supposed to be the CEO/Boss Babe/Hun of your own company or business 👀
So sad!😢😂😂😂
Just wanna throw out that 99% of MLM participants lose money. The folks that are upset about the model switching are the ones that managed to take advantage of social engineering.
Yup. If you’re making enough money on MLMs this is going to significantly impact your income, you screwed a lot of women over to get there so boo hoo.
I do feel sorry for the women who got sucked in and just joined though.
But this should be proof, these MLMs don't give a shit about you. I hope people wake up and leave ❤
I just can't believe that mlms exist anymore. Like, we all have access to the internet. There are so many affordable makeup brands that outperform these mlm brands by merely existing. What's going on with these people? I used to think I was below average intelligence, but I'm pretty sure I'm a genius compared to all these people who get sucked into this.
Also, why do all people who buy into an mlm look the same?
See I've done a few mlms and only ever joined for the free shit. I never recruited anyone but I've also never lost money. When I did party lite I got thousands of free candles and lost of the decor plus earned a little money. I did a home decor one in my early 20s and got my first pretty prints and knick nacks. I also sold Avon but honestly just to friends so I could get a discount. I've never really understood how so many lost money? Maybe I was just smart enough not to join one that requires you to keep inventory but handles all that for the seller
@@icianthea If anything the internet made them worse because you can just message 100 people and one of them might go for it. They use literal cult tactics to recruit people by the way. Specifically choosing vulnerable people (stay at home women with disabled children who don't have many friends, people who just lost their job, people who just lost a loved one, etc.) and promising them a better life. They lovebomb too, you get added to a groupchat with super supportive women who are cheering on your every move and telling you how well you're doing (until you're actually in there).
I can keep going but you get the deal. Honestly research has shown that intelligence doesn't really shield you from cults or mlms much, they prey on emotional vulnerability and even the smartest people get stuck in these things. Though it's also understandable for us to want to believe it could never be us.
That lady saying friends for life is a lie with mlm’s. I was in Mary Kay and when I stopped no one ever talked to me again. Flat out dead to them lol 😂
When I doubled down on my refusal to recruit (bc I only joined to have positive female friendships), I was dumped. But I found real, lasting friendships away from all that.
Same with me when I stopped selling Monat. 😅
Wow!..
I can't believe i was today years old when i found out mary kay is also an mlm....... I truly live under a rock
@@olliesharkMary Kay is one of the original MLM’s how could you not know 😂
The irony that they’re mad it’s now an affiliate program when they tried to tell us MLM is no different than an affiliate program 😂😂😂
The entire reason we have an issue with MLMs is because it sells a dream to vulnerable people like moms who want to earn an income while staying at home with their kids. As you can see, that income is unreliable even if you do earn something substantial.
My heart goes out to anyone who will be left financially vulnerable. I don't want anyone to go without food, housing, healthcare, etc. That's why we advocate AGAINST these companies and FOR better pay, benefits, and social support.
This!!🎯
This is perfect.
I was going to say the whole reason we’re is anti-MLM is because we care about people and don’t want them to be in this very situation 🙃
I only feel sorry for the lower level people. Anyone who builds a downline and makes money knows they are scamming and lying to do it. They deserve what they get.
An MLM is a business of seling the ability to sell dreams to other people
Now their downline becomes their COMPETITION! The fact that their commission is 25-45% highlights how over priced the MLM products are too, all that fat was being dispersed to upline previously.
The irony! 😅
Yeah
I saw another video on this subject and to get into the 45% bracket the were needing to sell 1000s per month. Crazy.
I made a comment a few days ago on SM about this makeup company being an MLM. I barely survived, guys. A herd of "huns" came for me. It was wild.
So glad you made it out alive! 😂
@MotherOfTerriers A scam! Perfect! 😂😂😂
@MotherOfTerriersprobably a pyramid or a stack lol, insinuating the huns literally stand on each others shoulda cheerleader style to make a multi level hun tower
@@momonomay3011yes! Pyramid
Classic herd of ‘huns’ 👌😂
“Building a team” is a funny way to say, “manipulating people into helping me make money without properly compensating them for their work or providing any kind of work benefits”.
ABSOLUTELY!!
Dont underestimate the 'cultness' of an MLM. I worked in direct marketing for only 3 months and we got brainwashed every morning. It was called 'training'. They even make you believe that important people in your life who dont agree with what you do are jealous and you dont need them in your life. Its absolutely horrible. And once a month the Boss Babe comes to pitch his rags to riches story and show off his wealth 🙄
That's the same way cults work on their followers.
Holy cow!! This is absurd. Glad you got out
@@amberly0317 I had to quit because i didnt make any money and yet i cried when i left because it was the 'best job ever'! I was so blind and brainwashed, i cant believe that was me.
Exact same thing happened to me. At least we are not alone 😂x
Same. They even stressed not having a 'backdoor' so you'd put all your eggs in their basket essentially. They had this one girl decide not to go back to college and finish her classes that semester and this other dude had a career in minor league baseball he gave up. Super sad.
And yeah they'd tell us that any naysayers in our lives (partners and parents too) just 'didn't understand the entrepreneurial mindset' 🙄
Slow your roll, ponytail girl. I got laid off after almost 3 years and literally got ONE HOUR’s notice before I was officially unemployed. I’m a dog/cat mom, and a wife, but was the primary breadwinner of the house. What I wouldn’t give to have been given 3 months’ notice.
Also what do you mean “we got you”? Are you gonna find all these people new jobs? Give them a universal basic income? Cultish, much.
I was wondering the same thing. Are you going to pay her rent? Nope!
But then the answer came "we're cheering for you" - aaaaah, there it is. That's what she meant with "we got you". We got you a cheer.
@@MariaPetrescu So right - I’m glad a cheer can pay the bills!! 🙄🙄
“We got you” is code for an incoming “hey girly! Can I send you some info about a new network marketing opportunity I’ve found that you’d be perfect for now that Seint changed???”
"we got you" aka "i'll pray for you"
@@MariaPetrescu Thoughts and prayers.
I grew up in a cult. MLMs make me so depressed they seriously prey on vulnerable people. Here in the US they target religious communities, military spouses, immigrants and many MANY desperate people. It hurts my heart to see any of them exist. They operate EXACTLY like cults.
Grew up in a cult myself too and understand exactly what you're saying. There really isn't a lot of difference with how these MLM's operate from the religious cults. Especially the whole 'reject any criticism of us' training.
It's so disheartening to see how many of these women have disabled children. They're in such a vulnerable position, often being stay at home moms barely scraping by and putting everything aside to take care of their children. The pull for more financial freedom, but also (maybe even moreso) the community of supportive women they promise when these women often struggle their assess off and don't have much of a social circle.
what cults???
Robert, you look so handsome, you always do but you look extra today ☺️
I'm a dude who wears makeup and Robert is always my inspiration bc of how good his is.
That eye look deserves deep study. 💜
I know right, he looks super spunky today. The makeup is so on point ❤
The Welshes are absolutely gorgeous
I looove the eyeshadow!! What is it?
Good riddance to these scammer companies!
Agree💯
This should be a wakeup call for these MLMers that they're not 'running their own business' when it can get snatched out from underneath them.
Someone I know from college that was in Seint just jumped to Amare, and Riman (sp?) which is skincare. She didn’t learn. Still working a 9-5 too, and gets zero engagement on most of her posts, it’s so sad
@@SarakatbeeI have a friend that was going to that skincare too! I knew something was up 🫠
This is HILARIOUS! The same people who were saying, "This is not a recruitment-based company. It's not an MLM. We sell *insert hyped-up, mass-production quality, useless product here* and change people's lives!" are now fanning themselves screaming, "WHY WON'T YOU THINK OF THE POOR MOTHERS!!!". And the only thing that changes is that the recruitment-based earnings are at an end and the product itself has become more profitable. This should be your DREAM according to what you claimed you were selling, no? But you always knew your scam, didn't you! I don't feel bad for any of these women. This is a win!
Goes to show MLMrs are not their own boss or own their business. Freedom Barbie is going to have to find how to scam others.
I think about her all the time! I am very interested to see her reactions on the anti-MLM channels. 🍿
@@gasparinhaever since she came at my girl @ccsuarez I have been waiting….
Did she jump over to a different mlm already? Or am I thinking of another one, I saw her crying and sooking bcoz someone posted it on Reddit lol
i honestly find her entertaining because of her PI stories xD Can't wait to see how this turns out 👀
@@snooopydooothe thread on Reddit I read was talking about someone else. Not sure what she’s up to but I’m sure she’s not taking it well I mean she built her down line with followers of her PI stories.
this smoked out dusty purple eye is absolutely stunning omg,,, magical unicorn beauty wizard type look
I can't stop looking at it!
Well Robert *is* a Magical Unicorn Beauty Wizard 🤷
Yes it's SO good!
It's sad that people are going to have their income affected without much notice, but in an MLM structure, about 99%(+) of them were *always* going to hit a wall and get financially screwed over by the structure at some point anyway. In this case, it's just happening to them simultaneously (with a chance to convert to a new structure), rather being screwed over financially happening to different individuals at different times.
Arguably this is the best way I have ever heard of someone getting out of an MLM - everyone else who I've ever heard of coming out of an MLM has done so in debt.
When I was in college, I put myself through school selling Avon. My Mother was worried I would quit school to sell Avon. No. I had a plan. I worked my plan and I graduated school. Avon was good to/for me. I was in school full time and yes, I had a "real" job at night. The money I made selling Avon allowed me to purchase a car, go on vacations, buy required text books etc.
those MLMs in the beauty scene these days don't even have decent looking product. i mostly think it's really sad, all those people wrapped up in a such a shady scheme in moments of weakness and vulnerability. it's honestly shameful.
moreover, i do think all those people losing their job is terrible, and i hope they can come back up stronger.
MLMs are horrible and predatory. The beauty ones especially... There's too many amazing products out there for these beauty MLMs with their shady labs!
I'm afraid most will panic and just go to other MLMs. It's already happening. The most popular exodus landing place is this bizarre thing called Olive Tree People 🫒
Saint looks a lot like maq pro from Paris, the exact same palette, which is used by make up artists, movies, models etc.
Does she not understand that “kick back” is like a bribe or unethical payment? Not sure that’s the phrase she wants to use.
THANK YOU. I was just coming to comment that. Kickback is not a positive or even neutral word!
Or maybe she did mean that. After all, she was being paid by innocent folks ‘under’ her who ended up losing money.
@@therealJamieJoy yep😂
It was hard for me to focus on what she was saying because of how hard that brush was being used across her face
I had to unfriend a girl on Facebook because she just kept jumping from MLM to MLM and I kept hoping she would realize she's not making money but it was just frustrating to watch and have to interact with.
I absolutely hate the "girly", "sis", "boss babe/ girl boss" crap. If you're female and a boss, you're just a boss! It doesn't need to be diminished by noting your female. This always makes me lose a bit of respect for those women.
liberal/pop feminism and its consequences
Exactly. Imagine Gates, Jobs, Bezos, or any of those guys calling themselves a "boy boss." 😂
🙋♀️
They usually bring God into it as well…
@@denisevermeulen4984 You're absolutely right!!
Ooooh waiting to see Chelsea’s video on this.
But those people saying the MLM teams going away is devastating are the same people that were saying it wasn’t about recruiting, it was just sharing the makeup they loved… so… they’re looking a little bit like liars now…
10:20 the MLM to "wellness journey"/"clean living" pipeline almost feels like a trope at this point. Bonus points for parasite cleansing, which research does not support, and which you can go see a doctor for to get an actual diagnosis and medication for if you have them!
This. Which leads to the conspiracy theory and eventually paranoid fascist pipeline. There is definitely some interesting psychology there, and perhaps the biggest commonality with all of these groups is a desire to be different, unique and have secret knowledge that nobody else has... At the cost of having a grip on reality.
so many people lost down that rabbit hole.... thinking their butt mucus is "PARASITES!!!" and sending pictures to each other without shame.... like guys!!!! do you have a liver? do you have diagnosed allergies or diseases or disabilities? then you're fine. my fav one is "chronic lyme disease" but it angers me when people self diagnose with the rare condition I actually have, I was genetically tested for (that my dad has too) called classical ehlers danlos syndrome and people are self diagnosing with everything left and right and making their entire personality being "chonically ill".... malingerers and e-beggers
It kind of grosses me out how transactional some people are. If I’m recommending a product to a family member or friend or even a stranger I don’t necessarily need a kick back and I don’t think that’s how the world needs to work. I don’t need to make a dollar for every word that comes out of my mouth.
My mom was a victim of Avon and my bro and I were young enough we didn't realize it was a MLM. She was also a hoarder so she would buy products that didn't sell and she just kept them. Learning about MLMs now i feel so bad for her.
Avon is Avon, but they were like 'mlm lite'.
You could buy from a rep or order from a catalogue or website, without anyone haunting you to sell or have promo parties or rep.
They didn't have meetings or gatherings or anything and most reps never met or even knew the name of other reps.
Most of the women selling Avon in the 80s, did it just for the discounts or free items, and the social aspect of delivering the orders, by hand, to other women's homes. Usually included (at the very least) some chit-chat and socializing and a way to get out of the house for a bit. They never did it for the money, because it was never marketed as a job or money maker. They were Avon ladies, and they did what ladies did (at that time).
I had one friend who was an Avon lady and my grandmother (who was a nurse) was an Avon lady.
The emphasis was always on 'lady'.
Different time, different culturally.
Do you ever notice a correlation between MLM sellers and an emotional story connected to the product? Not to discredit their experience, but that in itself feels manipulative and that’s the core of MLM marketing structure. Selling a dream.
Kinda wonder if it's their way to almost 'trauma bond' with the viewer, stuff like that always gives me red flags.
@@cutecupcake8604 oh I absolutely agree! MLMs really sell the “community” over the actual product. Those shared experiences definitely factor into the manipulation 😞
it weirds me out the one seint rep keeps saying "kick back", that's usually for like an illegal payment, it doesn't mean commission.
I noticed that too, that’s what they call it when unethical doctors get big checks for pushing bad products and faulty medical devices!
It also bothers me that she's talking like we should be monetizing everything we do and like - if a friend asks me for recommendations for places to eat in my town, I'm not gonna hold up my hand for a 'kick back' because the restaurant might see some income off of her going there.
MLMs just should not exist anymore, shame just a money grab
It's funny she says friendships are forever when we all have heard the horrible stories of women leaving MLMs promptly being cut off.
Idk how in the year of 2024 there are still people who buy into the whole MLM thing. I maybe understand older people who grew up doing it but when my younger friends make that jump I question their critical thinking skills😅 There is just so much information out there to prove they generally don’t work like they say they do , it is baffling that people don’t do even a bit of research before signing up to sell something.
I'm Gen X & I have compassion fatigue with this. I didn't really understand the model when I got invited to my first 1990s candle parties lol, but I accidentally started a local trend of calling them "buy my crap parties." 😂 Once I understood, I was so sweet & encouraging when trying to educate others, even watching them join MLM after MLM. I learned by 2010 that a lot of people will happily get scammed for the intoxicating mixture of what feels like friendship & the ability to pretend that the job is the same as high level sales or consulting. Both are fake and I even have one former friend who admits it. She's now gone MAGA because it's easier socially, tells me a lot... I think the loneliness epidemic is actually the root cause but I am just done feeling bad for people who actively & assertively choose to be scammed. But I also had to talk down a confused 25 yr old last week ...from joining the Jehovah's Witnesses. She's barely protestant, likes to drink, likes to wear sexy clothes... I really don't know where these kids get some of these ideas lol...
I'm a disabled single parent, the only 'jobs' I can find and access are mlm's. The state of that workforce worldwide is awful, with little opportunity for disabled people or stay at home parents. Thankfully i just about get by with government aid but if I didn't then I could certainly see myself being victim to a company like this. They're easier to get into than any other remote working job and their websites can be incredibly convincing to some people. I thankfully know better than to sign up to a company like this but desperation makes you do things you never thought you would
easily influenced, uneducated women who can't think for themselves or are desperate for friends/money/"the dream" .... I don't understand how you could get so sucked in (especially in utah where the MLM's are in every second house!) and be oblivious and not even google the "new business opportunity"!! It's hard not to think of them as pathetic and greedy but I try to be charitable and call them ignorant instead..... 😅
@@EL67671there are other jobs out there. I'm also disabled and manage just fine with commisions and social media and online data entry
They only have to pay 1 person that 45% commission to not be lying about their new structure. I don't trust them as far as I can throw them.
That woman who says putting on a face of that gunk saved her life was making quite the stretch.
I have to agree. It looks like gunk. What is up with adding all this white and brown to your face?
And what was that quick little addition about "parasite cleansing"? That was a wild thing to just throw in
@@DocInABox I know right!? Clearly she buys into any old crap, including that crappy make up
@@DocInABox I caught that too. I immediately knew this woman is easily influenced and uneducated.
@@DocInABoxshe probably gets a commission from selling some parasite cleanse, too. 😂
Its funny how the people at the top of the pyramid are now scrambling and worrying about money, when that used to be for people at the bottom.
But weren’t all the MLM bossbabes “running they own business” and “being their own boss”? 🙄 Funny how that discourse is gone all of a sudden
‘Parasite cleansing’ 🚩
robert's face!
Yea wtf is that??
@@nataliebernarda scam. These ‘doctors’ come on ads and claim that every single health issue is caused by millions of parasites in our bodies-so we could live forever if we…. Probably use some veterinary product until we die.🙄
@@nataliebernard It’s an offshoot of the ‘detox’ nonsense, where people do weird diets and herbal supplements to flush out imaginary intestinal parasites which can be blamed for all and any symptoms (and even, apparently, autism. Yup.)
RIGHT?! 😂
I felt the last woman was just dying to say "just let us know which MLM company you're moving to now and we'll get everyone involved in that one". Kerching!
Of course people are going to lose out if they have been at the top of that pyramid. They had to work to get people sucked in. Then they can sit back a little and still have the cash flowing in.
Will they carry on the new way or just move to another MLM?
Which ever is the quickest to bring in the bucks, never mind who you hurt, would be my guess.
Sounds like someone knows they’re about to get in trouble as a pyramid scheme
They know they’re not going to make any money through affiliate marketing. The uplines make money because their down lines have to buy products to stay active. Who is buying Seint that isn’t in the company?
I love the way she’s all upset that it’s not ‘special’ anymore and she’ll actually have to work instead of piggybacking 😂
It’s now every person for themselves. They need to take what they have and push harder while competing with their ‘friends’ there’s now an over saturation of sellers
All MLMs should cease. They are old and outdated.
we ALL think this.... if only it were that easy
My friend just joined an mlm. I guess I called her out by asking if she was aware it was an mlm, and no response. She also has a ton of new friends overnight lol! I feel bad for her
You will most likely turn feeling bad to downright not liking her, trust!
The last lady is the worst: the kind of toxic positive mentality that shames people that give up MLMs to explore other sources of income and call them "quitters" or "not strong enough".
I hear the word kickback being thrown around and it actually describes illegal activity, so it is not the proper use of that word
It's a real Inigo Montoya moment.
10:23 i had the same reaction when i heard the phrase “parasite cleansing” 😭 i don’t know what that is and i am fully admitting to judging a book by its cover here but i am Not A Fan of the concept it put in my mind…
I’m a mom, and as a mom I get so offended by these companies targeting us
I was lured into Amway in the late 90's.............I still get cold sweats thinking about it
Same.
I dated a guy 35 yrs ago who sold Amway as a side hustle & wore their aftershave. The smell was putrid & used to make me gag… we didn’t date for long lol.
The highest rankers will probably jump ship and join a new MLM so they can carry on doing what they're doing.
They're mostly going to Olive Tree People 🫒😅
I know two people who were six figure earners with MLMs and they both jumped ship from the whole model at the beginning of the year because it is sinking. They now have a business teaching people how to maximise sales with affiliate programs because that's where the money is. Surprised more people who actually benefitted from the MLM scam didn't see it coming.
I recall contacting a woman who was selling his stuff.
My first question was asking if this was a MLM type of thing. She said it wasn’t, she was her own employer.
I web searched for Seint and learned otherwise. When I asked why she lied, she got a bit feisty with me.
MLMs are a cancer on the face of society. I feel for people who have been caught up in one, but at the same time, I think moving away from an MLM model to an affiliate model is a much better thing.
It's bittersweet because anti-MLMers have only been trying to warn these people that they don't own their own businesses and it can be ripped from you at any second.
Not this particular company, but my Mom still purchases Mary Kay products. I have tried and tried to explain to her how, as an MLM company, it is a pyramid scheme scam, but she keeps insisting that she is "supporting her friend" by buying the products from her (when in reality it isn't quite like that with the scam company)
I used to sell Mary Kay. Too much pressure to perform on the team. I’m not outgoing at all so recruiting was a bitch.
My cousin sells Mary Kay. I've never understood how a fairly intelligent person falls for that crap
I just have to say, I’ve been catching up on the welsh boys’ content and Robert, yourself and your brothers are truly the gems of TH-cam. Intelligent and well-spoken with hearts of gold and an idiot goof side to keep it fun. I just adore y’all. ❤
It’s hard to have sympathy for people whose income is dependent on recruiting others into a cult.
Went to the comments of the last TT’r in Robert’s video and I knew they wouldn’t let me down 🤦🏽♀️. The creator is ignoring the fact that MLMs are predatory and hurt vulnerable people.
Honestly i feel zero pitty for people who were making money off of exploiting their recruits...
My best friend of 14 years has been involved with some MLM businesses. As much as i love her, I just could not support the business. Can't stand MLMs
MLMs are certainly such a high control group but I don’t get why these women are shocked by anti mlm people reacting the way they do! Like so many MLM huns are out there essentially making fun of you for staying “poor” and not taking this “opportunity” to be a “boss babe” like…if you were extremely demanding and rude to these people…they’re not gonna be empathetic
Ohhh my gosh you said how I’ve always felt! I always felt so pressured as a SAHM and they absolutely preyed on that. Happy I stayed strong!
Over the past 6 months these MLMs have fallen from grace. It’s wild! One right after the other
7:26 I adore your compassion, Robert, but most people who are at the top of an MLM and are actually making a living at it will simply slide on over to another MLM if this one fails for any reason. It's not as if they actually care about the products or their customers. They just have to find a relatively new MLM because the only ones who make any real money from these schemes are the people who join the earliest. It's probably annoying to have to restructure your business model,but they are well aware of the nature of this scam and are well prepared to do it over and over and over again.
But wait - aren’t they “small business owners”? So they can just say no to the change then right? They give us constant spiels about ‘being their own boss’, and being able to work/not work when and where you want and how fabulous that is! How they could never work within a traditional role again.
And then one day they wake up to an email telling them that everything they had been working for within their “small business” is now essentially completely worthless. Source of income lost in an instant. I hate MLMs but this is awful, most people who join them are probably decent people being almost brainwashed in a sense by the higher ups.
This is exactly what The Body Shop did recently when they got rid of their ‘the body shop at home’ section. However the commission I understand is nowhere near this level. I believe many more MLM’s will go this way for sure 👌
The Body Shop is in Administration, I don't that think they are using Affiliate links and paying commission to anybody whilst in Administration as they owe a lot of people money.
🙄😑 the lady with the hysterectomy... losing 100lbs working on your health and using cream products will definitely make you feel better. No way it's THE BRAND that helped her.
sorry for the random comment but the eye makeup in your user icon is GORGEOUS!!!
@sophroniel oh thank you so much!! If you wanna be friends on Insta lemme know lol I'm trying to get back in to doing my makeup but it's hard to get motivated 🙃
My cousin just started working an MLM and i dont even know what shes selling but im seeing her post several times a day trying to recruit people. Not a clue to the actual product being sold.
This is what the anti-mlm content creators have been trying to tell everyone: mlm isnt a lucrative business, and you could be dropped anytime WITHOUT notice! How many mlm companies have switched to “non-recruiting” overnight? Worse part, so many of them were locked out of the compensation that they hadnt cashed out yet.
Jen Luv has just done a vid on this. Monthly sales and the commission they earn are:
0 - $999.99.= 25%
$1000 - $2499.99 = 30%
$2500 - $4999.99 = 35%
$5000 - $14,999.99 = 40%
$15,000+ = 45%
That's a heck of a lot of sales, and, if you live in CA, you need to make even more sales at each commission percentage.
Down with MLMs! Scams that prey on their “distributors”.
1. MLMs are predatory. 2. The women who recruited were participating in exploitation and the women she's talking about were probably not making any money in this system. 3. That lady who talked about cleansing parasites is especially full of crap.
The “all these moms and families will lose their incomes!” is nonsense. According to the 2023 Seint income disclosure for the US, 93.59% of their Artists made an average of $985 or less over the year. Another 4.15% made an average of $8,525 for the entire year.
2.26% of their Artists were earning an average that could be an actual yearly salary. If only there were a shape to describe this salary distribution structure . . . maybe a pyramid?
Those income disclosures don't include the taxes or costs that they had for their 1099 contract employees "business". So in reality most of those people lost money.
So true. The only people you see crying over this are the ones at the top who actually made money. For the vast majority, there was no income to lose. This is actually a lucky break and an easy out for them. Maybe they won't get sucked into another. They may actually do much better as affiliates without all the unpaid labor and BS.
The commission looks good until you look at the requirements. To make 45% you have to sell a whopping 15,000 PER MONTH!!!! This is from @Jenluvs video on this subject.
This!!!!
Units? Or dollars? Not that it matters, I imagine it’s impossible either way. I’m just curious!
Dollars according to Jenluvs
Ya it's dollars sorry lol
tbh hearing this person at 15:32 go on about “think of all the hurt mothers” gets me so heated like these leeches made all their money scamming much poorer women, they should keep single mothers out of their mouths
The sad thing is, a lot of the higher up huns will probably jump ship and bring their entire "team" to another MLM. A lot of them do this.
Oh dear. The wellness journey chick is obviously insane. 😂 The one after her really doesn't seem to understand why people dont like MLM schemes...
I mean, there are a decent amount of jobs that let you work from home. I can't imagine THAT many women have really built up "an empire" and are making so much money that its going to seriously affect a family. Maybe I'm wrong... But it just seems crazy!
Ah the comments on the last video were wild! I hope we get some good ones on this one too.
Right?! I was so entertained! ❤😂
Wow! That commission level should tell people how overpriced the products are.
Also you’re a kinder person than me, IDGAF that those at the top of the tree are losing their income now they won’t have a down line, they reap what they sow.
Robert lemme tell ya. This is all that my IG has been showing all week! So many girls I went to High-school with were in Seint and pretty high up as well. They have all been crying and upset over this change. But the plot twist is- most of them have already jumped into a new MLM!!
‘Being harassed online from MLM haters’ - yeahhhhh, not like MLM people sending all the DMs to their school friends from 30 years ago! 😂👀
This was hard to watch, not because of Robert but hearing the language MLMs and those involved in them use just really gives me the ick. I really hope that anyone negatively impacted by this change gets the chance to build themselves back up again (just even more hope it's not with another MLM) but they're actually being treated better than a regular employee would be. They've been given multiple months notice to find an alternative source of income if needed, most people are lucky to get 2 weeks.
I'm not a doctor but I don't think your uterus have anything to do with makeup. I mean if they also removed her ovaries and sent her into menopause I guess her skin type may have changed but that's about it. She lost me at parasite cleanse though 🤦🏻♀
Also I had to block the word Sient on IG because of how annoying the reps were. They definitely rank high on the MLM cult status list.
One of my friends tried to get me into a grocery delivery MLM. She gave me samples and the toilet paper was Charmin priced, but truck stop 1-ply quality that's so harsh it could have cut your arse! Nope thank you!😮😂
“Parasite cleansing” tell me you’re on the woowoo to maga pipeline without telling me you’re on the woowoo to maga pipeline
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Seriously I had to skip back that part like 4 times. I’ve never heard that term, but what in the actual f*** is parasite cleansing??? Like… whut?
I literally had to go back to make sure I heard that part correctly 😅 I was so hoping Robert would address it in some way
That stopped me in my tracks lmaoooo I cannot believe he didn't react
i thought she would break out black salve tbh lmao
Just want to remind everybody that Robert does not need make up/beauty but make up/beauty needs Robert. Hope everybody’s having a gorgeous day and remember you are fabulous.💜🖤
I live in a poor area of the U.S. and know a lot of women who sell Seint. Ironically, they're the same women that almost never wear makeup.
😂😂😂
I was always taught to make the makeup look like you’re not wearing any. It literally looks like a mask they’re putting on…. Am I wrong?
I think this is the earliest I’ve been to anyone’s video😭😭
Robert just keeps delivering good content and I like watching good content so…😊
MLM reps erroneously used their sales(aka recruiting) tactics as "affiliate marketing" for YEARS , and now this is actually the case. So yeah, "should" be "fine" for them 😅 since they're now affiliates
I was JUST watching a higher up babbling that her team is gone and it was “so fun building a team” … please you liked the paycheck hun
Wait wait wait… did she say “parasite cleansing”? Whut?
What they are really doing is shedding their intestinal lining when they take “parasite cleansing” products, many wellness nut huns fall for it. They want to be all natural, but they will take fistfuls of unregulated supplements every day. 🤷♀️
😂😂😂 these people have mucus coming out of their butt and think they have worms.... they send each other these pictures!!!! people need to realise that having a liver means you require no "detox" or "clease", and unless you have specific symptoms you are HIGHLY unlikely to have a freakin parasite
Ghosts of MLM's past came and snatched the audio/video 👻
lol i can't with your profile pic of james 😆
25-45% commission sounds like the makeup is unnecessarily expensive 🤔
I agree. 25-45% sounds great-but what about product price? I’ve never looked up Seint prices (don’t really care to either) but I can’t imagine wanting to pay much of anything for a not great product when so many other better products exist. That aren’t part of a shitty pyramid scheme.
It is. There are similar products that are much less.
❤😍 the whole eye look, especially the eyeshadow today. MLMs have always been predatory,this just makes me think about how much more new content will be out there now with the sole purpose to market these products.
That means:
1) All the people in those “teams” are now pitted against each other. 2) We’re going to be seeing a flood of undisclosed ads from Seint “affiliates” on TikTok.
3) Regarding the “it’s like any other affiliate link video” that in and of itself is troublesome. For me personally, as soon as I see ANYTHING that says “Amazon haul” or like 90% of the items they mentioned are affiliate links, I immediately disregard whatever the person says because I feel like I’m being sold to. That’s why I stopped watching one particular creator on TH-cam-Almost the entirety of her videos became “Amazon Haul” videos with new favorites every 2 weeks or every month. Same thing with Mikayla on TikTok. I REFUSE to watch her, anyone who stitches her or any brand that features her on their ads.
The lady in the glasses was kinda unhinged.
Robert, I just have to say your eye look today is AMAZING!!! I’m glad they took the MLM out!!!
You’re the first person I’ve seen cover this!! I’ve been patiently waiting to see someone finally touch on it!
Robert, can you please break down your eye look? Those colors are so beautiful and ethereal!
I noticed a few MLM companies switching their MLM model off and changing to a model that just pays out for product sales. Obviously trying to avoid getting shut down by the FTC. The majority of MLM customers are the reps themselves so that is why they focus so much on recruiting. The more people below you, the more money you make off whoever they recruit. What the companies and top reps don’t want you to know is that the MLM model is majorly flawed. If you recruit 5 people and those people recruit 5 people each and so on, you can only make 13 cycles of that before you exceed the population of earth.