Fantastic stuff. To stand by his conviction for all that time against all that adversity, unwelcome, unthanked and unpraised but still willing to go is amazing stuff. A proper journo and one of a dying breed. I also liked the bit where he showed Alistair Campbell for the weasel he is too
Walsh is no role mode. Don’t let it slide that David Walsh was claiming Lance was a fraud before there was any evidence. Walsh ended up being right. But when journalists make accusations and editors publish their work as fact, that is not journalism and unacceptable.
@@residentmanager3088 He had evidence. He knew that Asteriskstrong worked with Ferrari, and there was no reason to work with him if you weren't doping. How many proteges of Charlie Francis at that level turned out to be innocent?
@@Justs99171 You don't go to the EPO doctor unless you are taking EPO. Just like if you're going to see a doctor who performs hair transplants, it is a safe bet that you are going because you're losing your hair.
Mr Walsh deserves to be recognised for holding to his position, confronting a bully and cheat and not letting him get away with his rampant cheating. I admit I also thought Armstrong was doping (there were just to many accusations for there not to be something) I was also positive that he wouldn't get caught. So glad that the arrogance and ego of the man got him caught and so proved David Walsh right
So would you agree that Cancelara used (mechanical) doping - multiple accusations from independent sources, that Pogacar is doping - endless accusations, that MvdP is doping - many accusations. I don't think being accused says anything about the likelihood of something being true, evidence is the only indicator of truth. There was a lot of evidence against Lance.
I’m almost shamed to admit that after his early TDF wins, I actually believed Armstrong’s cries of innocence in involvement in doping. I mean, as he said himself, why would he take drugs that can risk his health a after his near brush with death only a couple of years earlier and be able to look his children in the eye and tell them their dad is a phoney. How wrong was I though and turns out I trusted a cheat liar, fraud and bully. I apologise to David Walsh for ever doubting him! Wonder how Armstrong DID confess to his children?
he was the most high profile bully and cheat in cycling but doping with peds started in the 80s and armstrong has said in interviews he didnt feel a clean athlete could win the tour de france. Maybe some cyclists refused to join in. The only problem is nobody has heard about them. Armstrong is an easy target. What about the managers of the cycling teams, the crooked doctors, the crooked officials? Apparently peds still go on and officials are still corrupt. The system hasnt changed.
+Daniel Lewis He's actually admitted that himself, that he would do it all again, proving that old adage about insanity - doing the same thing over & over again & expecting a different result - being 100% CORRECT!!
Daniel Lewis He has openly admitted that he probably would do it again and why wouldn’t he considering what all the other top riders were doing. He was just better at maximising the output. If he didn’t dope he would not have come even close to finishing in the top ten. Plenty of other riders have said it was rife in the sport well before LA did his first tour and they soon realised what they needed to do to compete on a level field. If he is a fraud, the whole sport is, not just him.
What conviction David Walsh has. He knew he was right, he just had to convince others. He did in the end and I bet it tasted good!! And what a shame about his son. Feel sorry for him for that.
His son (who shoulld have never been brought up publicly out of simple respect for the dead) acted like a rat and a snitch, andthe teacher should have never forced the kids to SNITCH on each other for normal kid behaviour that hurts no one. He was just a kid, and if anything what they all should have done is not snitch on ANYONE. The teacher was criminally wrong to lock them from eating, in the first place, effectively getting what he wanted and teaching kids to not be honourable and defemd each other from this dumb repression over some naught words. He should have shown respect for his son instead of mining for pity oints. Disgusting.
Thats a kid with character like his dad: the truth mattered, but at 11 years he handled it with respect and compassion for all concerned. The story about his don was fitting: it was a different msn who encountered Lance after his sons death. A man who had a bigger mission, and had been humbled, and traumatized.
Thanks to David Walsh and especially The Sunday Times for having the courage to stand beside him. Same respect goes out to Greg LeMond ,Frankie , Betsy Andrei , Stephen Swartz, Emma O'Reilly. Thanks go I hope to Tyler Hamilton and Floyd Landis for having the courage and the inner strength to break cycling's code of omerta.
I think the movie missed it w/Lance in that scene David described. Walsh goes on to say that Lance couldn't lie to that woman (cancer patient). What made Armstrong so diabolical is that it was exactly that kind of person he COULD lie to - no problem. It's the exact same thing that made Armstrong not just deny those who accused him but made him destroy them too. He often speaks of "friends" but he's incapable of having any, etc. It's the same thing that will forever disallow Armstrong from ever truly seeing the truth or sincerely apologizing to Walsh. He is a husk of a man; there is nothing inside at all. If there were a hierarchy of psychopaths, Armstrong would be their king. That scene in the movie tried to make Armstrong look human when in truth, he's just not.
+The Purselmer Another AWESOME comment from a clearly erudite person...you've increased my belief in humanity after having read your post, after wading through so many rivers of absolute LIES, FALSEHOODS & BULLSHIT from PHARMstrong fan-boys.
Exactly: A psychopath has no CAPACITY for remorse. They are on Death Row to their dying day denying they are guilty. Look up the killer of Natalie Holloway as her mother begs him to tell her the truth. Thats Lance/ no capacity for empathy or remorse. Zero. But, the good journalist also has no capacity to understand what an empty shell Lance is. Thus, he wants to believe Lance regrets or is ashamed at dome deeper level, which is a fairytale of a different sort. Self delusion- Lance would have relished such praise! But, you are also wrong. Lance is human, and so is Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and all the other sociopaths. Whatever is within the realm of human experience is humanity. But, just like a Beethoven can be one of tge greatest piano masters in human history, it is a rarity. Thankfully, psychopaths are somewhat rare. But, they are very human.
Do people watch the tour of California ? I'm in France and never heard about it. My Cousin live in Menlo Park and has a second house in Palo Alto so i watch things about California but haven't heard much about the tour of California.
I blindly followed the career of this person for 7 years believing he couldnt possibly be doping having experienced and battled cancer. He was my hero. What a liar and a cheat. He treated us like idiots.
For me it’s not such a black and white thing. I completely agree Lance comes off as a prick, and I’ve met him once back in 2000 and it reaffirmed that sentiment. He’s the kind of guy who looks thru people rather than at them (which seems to be the way most hyper driven, a-type “win at all costs” personalities are). Where it gets muddy for me is that almost every cyclist who competed or knows about the atmosphere back in the 90s all say that if you didn’t dope, you had literally no shot of even competing let alone winning. It was so rampant in the sport that to “keep your honor” meant to be unemployed and completely irrelevant in the conversation with your absence. That’s not to excuse it, but it is what it is, a massive “open secret”. The other problem I have is that all the sanctioning bodies, and all the major sponsors knew that not only were the majority of the peloton doping, but that their biggest star, Lance was as well. There’s positive tests from back in 1999 that were swept under the rug by phone calls and clandestine “donations”. They could’ve stopped this from day one, but then they would’ve lost their “golden goose” in Lance. And so, when the actual people trying to uphold the “honor and integrity of the sport” are in on the take, what is anyone to do? What bothers me most is in the way Lance went after people who made allegations against him. He didn’t just deny it and move on, he sued them and won. He got them fired, and in the case of Greg LeMond, he got his bike line (which was made by Trek) shut down. That’s the behavior I find that inexcusable more than the doping TBH. It’s hard to rectify the negative things Lance did, the lives destroyed and the long term tarnishing of the sport with the undeniably good things he did with Livestrong. They’ve raised hundreds of millions of dollars for cancer research, spread awareness, given hope and undoubtedly saved countless lives over the years with their efforts. That’s because of Lance’s nefarious success. So, in a weird way I still wrestle with this whole thing, because I would argue more “lasting” good has actually been done than bad from Lances actions. People got rich from them, people’s lives were saved because of them and once Lance was fading in popularity and “usefulness” to the UCI and other sponsors, that’s when they chose to find their “integrity” and cast him aside.
I had a friend who had cancer. I was heavy into cycling.I was caught up in the lance hype. When I talked to her, she just shook her head, she didn’t like lance. She died three years later. She was one of the greatest most genuine human beings I ever met, Valerie Vidile.I miss her so much.
Critical Question: How many cyclists DIED on the path to Frankarmstein? Greg Lemond estimates 100 elite cyclists died from heart issues, etc. Lance did not do this with a small group- it involved Governments, Governing bodies, Corporations, Olympics, etc. Lance wanted his piece of the pie: hundreds of $ Millions out of the hundreds of $ Billions generated from doping pre-dating Lance by decades.
I remember at the time there was a lot of hand-waving explanations about how the cancer treatment pared Lance's muscles down to a minimum so when he built up again he was a lot lighter but produced about the same power and much was mentioned of power-to-weight ratios, how you have to produce so many kcals of energy per kg of body weight and they'd just come up with those hubs that measure that. It all sounded pretty good at the time, but apparently that wasn't enough, gotta dope too.
It's the most beautiful talk by David Walsh I have ever seen, I am so totally amazed, and thankful for these words cause it' the story of a journey of a man who really never stopped working and for whom it was for sure "not about the bike" 🤭😊.
Armstrong’s worst behavior was setting out to destroy the lives of people who did nothing but tell what Armstrong KNEW to be the truth. He’s not a champion in any sense.
1/ Prostate cancer is the most curable cancer of all cancers , Lance glorified his condition to win big , he became an imposter 2/ He lied to his wife , worse, he lied to his kids , can you imagine? 3/ he was a bully, acted like the mafioso, ruined people’s lifes, and their families , manipulator, a monster! 4/ he was the best ring leader in this sport because he wasn’t a great rider (ranked 38th before cheating) 5/ karma isn’t done with this guy, karma never expires. Lance Armstrong ‘s face , have a good look at his face, I only see pure evil.
What a stupid comment. He tells the truth and comes clean and all you people can do is say "oh he really isn't sorry". Like what the fuck do you want from him? I probably wouldn't be sorry, either. Anyone with half a brain knows PEDs and banned substances are used in nearly every sport, and was obviously extremely prevalent in cycling. You think football players are just getting more concussions these days because they've developed more? Fuck no it's because they run twice as fast and are twice as big. Open your eyes.
Are you referring to the Ugandan gold mine that was primarily Sherwen's 'baby' but into which Liggett & PHARMstrong had invested? If so, you're 100% spot-on! It used to make me sick just how much they fawned over LA, FAR more than other great cyclists before & since him & it always reeked of some type of corruption to me.
First he says: I" am not entitled to give anything away from the upcoming movie. The production company is very clear about that!" And then at the end of the speech he gives away a whole scene!! LOL
Meet Armstrong in 1991 at the start of a race and got to tell him good luck. I saw him race many times race in the Tour de France live and on TV. He gave so much hope since I'm a cyclist and a cancer survivor. It was all too good to be true. It's all about the money and fame. Finally the truth prevailed.
Nor would the real Lance Armstrong act that way. He is a sociopath; and would have looked her in the eye and said, "glad I could help, now buy a couple more books".
If something is too good to be true. It usually is. Lance was an average rider the suddenly at the age of 27, after illness, goes on to be the greatest of all time. The problem is we love fairytale stories and so do advertisers.
29:06 Christophe Bassons in 1998 turned down a 270,000 franc-per-month raise (more than 10 times what he was earning at the time) offered to him if he would use Erythropoietin (EPO).[7] His stance against doping led other riders, most notably Lance Armstrong, to harass him for breaking the longstanding code of silence about doping in the sport.[8] wiki
Basically, Lance got away with it because of his backstory (beating cancer and winning the Tour de France). It was such a big story and brought so much money (advertising, broadcasting, sponsors, etc.) that the governing body didn't want to admit Lance was doping. They let him get away with it and he ran with it (funding himself with better training, rehab, doping advice, getting around testing). The cycling body created Lance Armstrong because they needed a figurehead of the sport. And Lance had no problem being it. Corruption is everywhere and money talks...
When can we expect his books on Jan Ulrich, Marco Pantani, Bernard Hinault, Eddie Mercxx, Jacques Anqutile, Alberto Contador, Iban Mayo, Michael Rasmussen, Vinokourov, Stephen Roche, Laurent Fignon, etc...? Will those be out soon?
Can always spot the Lance syncophants with their "What about..." and... "everyone did it!" mental gymnastics. Lance cheated, lied about, destroyed people who told the truth. he is a horrible person.
I believe all the top riders in his time were juicing but the way he went after people that were trying to get to the truth just amazes me. The man seems to be something worse then a cheat.
Why did people care to proof arm dopes when the whole sport does it?? Why chace a guy when its the climet? Ofcourse he will fight acusations do u expect him to say" ohhh your right im dopping. Disqualify me"
That last scene Walsh describes from that movie would have to be fiction. The real Lance would just lie to the woman and accept her accolades. The real Lance has no shame.
David Walsh called Lance a "psychopath," I call Lance a sociopath. I love the closing story,about the female cancer survivor; that captured scene shows the heart of the fraud he committed.
That scene was made up. Didn't happen. At 53:27 Walsh is clear to state it didn't happen. Truth is important. Especially these days. To have that story be the concluding segment makes me squirm a little.
@@mortenc2373 Duke LaCrosse black lady lied and destroyed 3 white boys lives with false rape story. She got in no trouble. She wasn’t rich She wasn’t white
But what do you think when they put Lance on Oprah or on the front page news? Did you say man all this over sports star? He used the media to send a message that was a fraud. He got my attention. WE were duped and we need to know.
Thank god for David Walsh if it wasn’t for him the biggest cheat in sport would never have been exposed. LA was a horrible human being who would have done anything to protect his lies. And if he hadn’t of been on his Ferrari designed program he wouldn’t of finished in the top 30 in any of those TDFs period.
Bro…everyone in TDF is cheating. What Lance is is an asshole who destroyed peoples life’s. Walsh should have gone after everyone else in the TDF too. Why single out Lance?
That last question.....No,he never had any doubt,if you watch enough tour's de France you will likely be aware only around 10 guys can win,these are the usually slim guys who can make up big time up the mountains.Lance was originally a good 1 day racer,good at time trials and sprints.In his 5th tour after coming back he was flying up the mountains,that rarely occur's.
The Europeans were great dopers, Lance just did it better. But, this reminds me when I asked a track athlete friend once, who would I be surprised in track that doped? He named her and I was shocked, big name. It took a few years for validation but now we all know who that American track star that also fell from grace. Past history. He named another track athlete, a male. It slip my mind who that is now. Moral of this story is, they did in some degree but did they do enough to try to win.
I think you missed the point. Lances story only mattered when he was not doping himself. That' was the story, Lance Armstrong won against all the odds down to hard work. Not I cheated so I won. No win due to cheating is a win regardless of anyone who does it.
chico31 No one said it was an achievement. What you don't get is no one else got a lifetime ban. Look at just the Festina affair when Lance wasn't even riding. You see any life time ban there?
B.J. Martin I'm blown away when people like you post such silly comments. It shows that you don't really understand the situation with Lance as it compares to the other riders who doped. The other riders came forward and admitted their guilt, while Lance took over a decade to only partially confess, after everyone else already had on this team. The only reason he admitted anything was because he looked so foolish at the time and EVERYONE knew he was perjuring himself under oath! The man has no limits, in terms of the depths that he will go to be a dirty person. It's common sense to everyone, but you, why Lance's punishment is more severe. They is no injustice in that. When you spare the courts time and money, you deserve a lighter sentence, but Lance did no such thing, so he has to rightfully PAY THE PRICE.
1stPlaceDirector Oh no, no other athlete lied under oath that's why he's the only one that got a life time ban. I get it now. No one lied under oath and got lesser than a life ban when found guilty. You look foolish, do some homework and if you're going to give life time ban for people caught lying in court, it should be more than one athlete.
This gentleman did some amazing investigation and would not give up! It is really a sad commentary about Lance Armstrong. As a theology school grad, I would like to comment about the gifts from the wise men. BTW, the Bible nowhere says that it was three wise men. There were three types of gifts oh, but it is not revealed how many wise men showed up? Now, under my main point. A close friend of mine wrote a four book series on the lost tribes of Israel. In his commentary about the first century in Palestine, he actually talks about the gifts from the wise men. He raises this question: how did Christ go about preaching the message to the masses with no job and no income? It is my belief that these gifts had been set aside until the time Christ had to complete his 3 1/2 year Ministry.
Truth be told the years when Lance was winning, those were the most enjoyable to watch Tours ever, he was a stand out personality, as was Pantani. The Tour has always had the drugs, a small edge over a long distance adds up to a lot. Great talk by David Walsh, his story is inspiring.
I'm guessing, then that you never followed cycling during the 80s?! The '85, '86 & '89 Tours were the greatest that I've ever watched & if I didn't dislike Stephen Roche so much (tinged with a bit of bitterness that Lemond should have been there, had he not been shot - not that this was Roche's fault, of course!), then his battle with Delgado in '87 would probably also be included in that list, while Delgado didn't have it all his way in the '88 TDF either!
Top sports have always been a place for doping. Sadly also cycling. But the top of Tour de France have been made significantly harder and longer than it was ever intended to be - due to the fact how top riders evolved. And the top riders evolved because theyvwanted to perform more and be faster and stronger. So the Tour got longer and harder. And then the riders upped the doping. It's a really bad spiral.
I was so proud he was a native Texan and fellow cyclist. So inspiring and fun to watch. But he's s sociopathic narcissist. Thanks for exposing him David Walsh.
5:25 A+ for the Sagan quote which seemed to go over Walsh's head. I'd object more to the "extraordinary accusations" than the "extraordinary proof" part. Raising the question of doping in sports really isn't all that extraordinary lol---even before we knew the extent of it.
Hi my name is Lance Armstrong after racing for 5 hours I am bolting up a mountain while Pantani shakes his head. Anyone that watched Pantani shaking his head as Armstrong was chilling next to him was all the evidence you needed.
@@huzcer No argument from here. Everyone in pro cycling who actually are household names like Merkx, Anquatil, Idurain, Armstrong, Ulrich, Shleck, Pantani, even all Track cycling names all cheated and were doped to the gills. Armstrong gets the shaft because he did it so blatantly right in front of the cameras and really wanted to make himself the greatist cyclist ever. His ego is what did him in, and you damn wall that Greg Lemond also cheated, no one is innocent in this game. Anytime people do something for money the call to cheat will always be there. If you got a Bottle of Champagne as the prize for winning the Tour De France maybe 50 crazy drunks would show up to race lol.
@@danfuerthgillis4483 Eddie Merx introduced Armstrong to Ferrari. Armstrong is a psychopath who went out to destroy those who went against him instead of keeping them onside. That was his downfall
Minom Pnom Greed and Corruption it’s the name of the game these guys know it. I don’t care if you have a 1 kg road bike , you are not going to Win major tours without chemical assistance.
There’s something almost ‘altruistic’ in the way Walsh presents this story, and to a degree in how he presents his work generally. Yet I’ve never met an ‘altruistic journalist’ in my entire life. Many of the darker traits he describes about Armstrong, in this day and age anyway, seem to be traits a journalist is almost required to have in their CV. At any rate... Behind all the drama and storytelling is the fact that the vast majority of riders in the professional peloton at that time were using PEDs. Undeniable I think. Armstrong beat them. And he beat them soundly for seven consecutive years. In a sport in which doping is/was as essential to the participation as a carbon frame is now, he won - and the Ulrichs & Pantanis & Bassos & Klodens of those seven pelotons all admit that. One guy was on top. ‘That’ fact seems to be ignored, and uncomfortably ignored also. So uncomfortably, that the UCI and ASO have left the record books with seven Tours de France as if they were never raced. Its difficult to get one’s head around that honestly. And NOT to sound too much of an Armstrong defender - but Walsh’s final story about the evil of delivering ‘false hope’. When a human being is in the grips of a cancer diagnosis, cancer treatments, and all that these things mean to them. When a person comes along at a time, that finds you with little if any hope, and gives you hope that in ANY way at all makes your fight more bearable - it simply ain’t “false hope”. We can bash on Lance Armstrong all we want, and God knows he deserves it. Especially for the way in which he treated many people. But the hope (and help) he might’ve provided for cancer patients is a completely separate story. It’s not as if cancer patients were damaged or defrauded because he dared provide them with a glimpse of hope. If that hope somehow got them through a fight with cancer to live a longer life than they otherwise would have - then I seriously doubt that on reflection those cancer survivors would criticize the hope they found. In fact I suspect they’d openly say they were grateful. Even if they then went on to criticize Armstrong. This is long winded, I know. But ‘the doping’ and ‘cancer’ are two different stories to tell. Each a distinctly different story. And maybe the most horrible part of all of this, is that the cancer community has lost a GREAT deal of support, both financial and practical, in the aftermath of it all. To me, that’s the saddest part. Lance Armstrong, warts and all, did a lot of good. Ignoring that simply because we dislike him or were hurt by him, seems as dishonest as he was. Personally, I think if I were to find myself comfortable with that, than I might be in serious need of a bit of introspection.
I agree with most of what you said. This Walsh guy makes himself out to be some sort of hero, but he's anything but. As if it was an accomplishment to accuse a rider of doping during that era?
So why was Armstrong so ineffectual before his cancer diagnosis ? The answer is that he was able to hook up with the best pill pushing doctor who had the physiology and pharmacology all figured out, but only after his comeback. I disagree that he deserves some recognition for the foundation. It was not done in an altruistic spirit, but rather from the depths of a truly egotistical soul.
@@robertorolfo All the evidence points to the contrary. Whenever (as far as anyone knows), he rode clean, he sucked. See 2009 TdF, up until he did a transfusion just before the Mont Ventoux climb.
I don't think Lance is a psychopath or a sociopath or any kind of serious psychological label. He was a troubled kid who deeply enjoyed the role of hero, champion athelete , celebrity -the WHOLE bit. A lot of people were benefiting from his accomplishments. He felt that he did'nt have much of a future outside of sport so he decided to stay. He did what the rest of the peloton was doing. They all cheated. They are all invalid as athletes.
John Agresti they’re not invalid. They’re the some of the toughest bunch of pro endurance athletes ever. lance won because he deserved it. He fought harder than everyone else. The top riders are all doing something to gain an edge. You’re not competing unless you do. That’s unfortunate but the truth
@@damonm3 yes -they are invalid. Sport is supposed to be an expression of what the human body can do. They artificially enhanced the body's capabilities.
He has already done that. He spent a full year with unlimited access to team sky and has written a book on the subject. In his opinion sky and froome race clean
Here is a question nobody asks that is far more important to medicine than anything did Lance Armstrong take drugs prior to getting cancer and if so did they cause it’s onset or did he start taking them or was administered some of them whilst he had it because for such a life threatening state he was in he certainly recovered better than almost anyone in history. This alone should be investigated as obviously not Recommended for use in sports but definitely in cancer research!
Awesome presentation. David Walsh is journalism's very own Tommy Robinson. Like David, in time Tommy will eventually be vindicated and congratulated for his efforts and his bravery. And the doubters will justifiably feel very, very silly.
all this to show you and tell you what a great Kunt of a person Lance was, who cares how well he rode, it's the lives he destroyed and people he stepped on to win, a sign of a master Kunt.
He absolutely did. But I think he felt that was too low a thing for him and he liked the idea of doping much more. The secrecy, the codes, the dramatic changes and that he was the rider, not just a passenger on a motorised bicycle.
Lance was demonized because he was an a-hole, but the racing was a level playing field. If Lance loses his wins then all winners from the 90s-2000’s deserve to be stripped as well.
They were all on the juice during that era. He should not have lost his titles. All the other confessed juicers got to keep theirs. He was an a-hole and so was more harshly punished.
What i despise MOST about Lance The Fraud Armstrong is that he was never man enough to apologize to David Walsh, Greg LeMond, Frankie Andreau and wife, Tyler Hamilton, and every other person that he'd bullied & harmed while perpetrating his crimes. That, more than anything, is what takes him down from one ball to zero balls in my book. He's not a man, he's a spinless twit.
Why should he apologize to any of them? Do you have any ideal of what it takes to win the Tour de France? Why wasn't any of the other pass Tour winners been tested? Because before Lance and after there's still doping done in the Tour. These people were just obsessed with bringing him down. Haters!!! To ride over 2,200 miles in three weeks is demanding. Do you know that in the first tour de France's it was done different, they rode 290 miles then take three (3) days off and then continue until they finnish. And doping was done then in some type of form. Just saying this to say that just about everybody was doping and he was just the best at it.
SPACEDOG'S MOUNTAIN BIKING i am not talking about his doping. I condemn his awful behavior which ruined Greg LeMond's business. But if U wish to talk doping, he is an admitted doper and a fraud. The bad excuse about him being the target of "haters" is ludicrous.
@@GodfatherInOhio about ruining Greg LeMond's business I have no knowledge of that, that being said he was certainly the product of haters as I've said before why wasn't anyone else sort after like he was when everybody was using.
SPACEDOG'S MOUNTAIN BIKING Oh i agree that doping was widespread on the pro cycling circuit. To compete cleanly meant competing at a disadvantage. But LeMond never juiced and won three times. Same with Indurain. Both defeated all the juicers.
I hate to complain I really do. But the volume is so low I'm not going to worry with it I'm just going to not watch it I'm sure it's good but I'm not going to sit there and hold my phone up to my ear so I can hear it and then I can't see it so it's all yours have fun people.
A genuine journalist. A great man. I bet Armstrong will never forget him. Good wins at the end. How the hell he escaped jail is beyond me. A psychopath. World admires you sir David.
Rh Last Nae BS! Dopestrong and USPS were a collection of total frauds that had the governing body of the UCI privately contacting him and USPS whenever their tests were looking suspicious. Documented fact! No other team in the peleton had that luxury, and it most certainly was not a level playing field when your team and you are literally getting inside information about your test results from the UCI, rather than the UCI actually doing its job and banning you when you fail tests. It is no small coincidence that Heras, Landis, Hamilton and several other USPS riders that we know for sure were doping with USPS only got caught with positive tests after they had left USPS, and were riding for other teams. They were doing the same stuff the entire time, but were no longer under the protection from the UCI of Dopestrong's umbrella after leaving USPS. When you know that you can literally dope between TDF stages with no penalty to come from the UCI you are most certainly playing the game at a huge advantage relative to your competition, even those that were also doping some.
Bullshit. This guy is an opportunist scum bag journalist who is willing to ruin someones life to further his own riches. The whole field doped, its a fact. He just picked on Lance caus its a bigger story. Good doesnt win in the end, and do you think doping ended too? What a fucking joke.
Klistern2 no he did it cos he knew the direction the sport was heading and it needed to be stopped. Lance needed to be stopped cos it was out of control. Walsh saved the sport as we know it because the doping was getting out of control and making a mockery of the sport
In the present, riders are not doped anymore, they only get exemptions by specialist doctors. Their medical passport defines a line they are not allowed to cross. The closer you get to this line, without crossing it, the better you can perform. Doping now is hightech, what you think, with so much money involved.
People that have had cancer look at things differently, Lance should have been dead and would have except for modern medicine. I had testicular cancer and should have been dead except for modern medicine. I find people that have not had cancer don't want to talk about cancer. They seem to think like I did that talking about it puts them closer to getting it. It is the classic don't think about it and it is not your problem, like homelessness or rape or vehicle accidents. I would like to hear what men think about losing a testicle or two. Not one man would consider it and would be worried of turning into a women from lack of testosterone. Not that there is anything wrong being a women. It is just that competing with men in athletics is going to be harder. What is the maximum testosterone level allowed in a man or women in the different sports? Lance came out and disclosed his personal medical issues and this reporter knew that the missing testicle would effect his performance. Lance had to be cheating. A person can lose a leg or arm and compete with a made one and a person can use food to gain advantage but if you lose a testicle a man might as well call it quits. I don't think Lance got caught or made a foolish decision. He most likely was done playing the game that he did not start but was a part of it seems and used by the Tour De France and the media companies for the huge ratings the competition brought in. Let us know that the NFL is classified as an ENTERTAINMENT company which means it is like professional wrestling and the winners can be selected in advance just like this last Superbowl was.fixed in my opinion.
Several of today's professional cyclists are climbing the major mountain climbs faster than Armstrong, Pantani or Riis did while they were racing and doping. If anyone thinks the doping is over you are sadly mistaken..
It's Chris O'Dowd - but you're 100% CORRECT!! The guy's only 39 now & when I showed my mother a few photos of him earlier, she guessed that he was in his late 40s & not even an attractive guy for someone that age!! A great face for radio IMO!
Bravo David Walsh...one of the best presentations I've ever watched..!! and a big thank you for the clip at the end where you mentioned "Chris Horner" (it's now 2019) I watched that tour with Chris Horner and the whole time I was shouting at the TV is how can a 40 year old guy be winning this race.."With Ease" and not so much of a a question mark from these "commentators" on Eurosport..?? and same thing today with these legal WADA/UCI authorised "TUE's" everyone is using...how many asthmatics can ride and win these tours????
I still feel sorry for Armstrong. Most of the other top contenders from his era, and the modern era, were & still are using PED's. So if thats the case why take down Lance? Even Greg LeMond has interviews on TH-cam admitting he took EPO. Did they take away his Tour wins? Why not? Because this wasn't about fairness, its about destroying one person.
American media needs a David Walsh
The problem is that Americans must win at all costs to protect their image of success
Fantastic stuff. To stand by his conviction for all that time against all that adversity, unwelcome, unthanked and unpraised but still willing to go is amazing stuff. A proper journo and one of a dying breed.
I also liked the bit where he showed Alistair Campbell for the weasel he is too
Amazing that we’ve fallen so far that a journalist that finds and reports the truth is so unusual.
Walsh is no role mode. Don’t let it slide that David Walsh was claiming Lance was a fraud before there was any evidence. Walsh ended up being right. But when journalists make accusations and editors publish their work as fact, that is not journalism and unacceptable.
@@residentmanager3088 I agree with you. Reporting anything as fact when you don’t know it to be fact is not ok.
@@residentmanager3088 He had evidence. He knew that Asteriskstrong worked with Ferrari, and there was no reason to work with him if you weren't doping. How many proteges of Charlie Francis at that level turned out to be innocent?
@@wvu05 That's not evidence. That's what you call grounds for suspicion. Big difference. In fact, this is what you call bearing false witness ...
@@Justs99171 You don't go to the EPO doctor unless you are taking EPO. Just like if you're going to see a doctor who performs hair transplants, it is a safe bet that you are going because you're losing your hair.
to this day lance doesnt get how much he hurt people a proper cnut
Nor does he care. A narcissist to the nth degree.
Still doesn’t give a fuck. A true sociopath who America loves.
Mr Walsh deserves to be recognised for holding to his position, confronting a bully and cheat and not letting him get away with his rampant cheating. I admit I also thought Armstrong was doping (there were just to many accusations for there not to be something) I was also positive that he wouldn't get caught. So glad that the arrogance and ego of the man got him caught and so proved David Walsh right
So would you agree that Cancelara used (mechanical) doping - multiple accusations from independent sources, that Pogacar is doping - endless accusations, that MvdP is doping - many accusations. I don't think being accused says anything about the likelihood of something being true, evidence is the only indicator of truth. There was a lot of evidence against Lance.
He is recognised 🇮🇪
I’m almost shamed to admit that after his early TDF wins, I actually believed Armstrong’s cries of innocence in involvement in doping. I mean, as he said himself, why would he take drugs that can risk his health a after his near brush with death only a couple of years earlier and be able to look his children in the eye and tell them their dad is a phoney. How wrong was I though and turns out I trusted a cheat liar, fraud and bully. I apologise to David Walsh for ever doubting him!
Wonder how Armstrong DID confess to his children?
@@derekmclean5603 It's easy for a psychopath to lie convincingly.
he was the most high profile bully and cheat in cycling but doping with peds started in the 80s and armstrong has said in interviews he didnt feel a clean athlete could win the tour de france. Maybe some cyclists refused to join in. The only problem is nobody has heard about them. Armstrong is an easy target. What about the managers of the cycling teams, the crooked doctors, the crooked officials? Apparently peds still go on and officials are still corrupt. The system hasnt changed.
The thing that makes Lance Armstrong so shameful - is im convinced that if Lance could rewind time, he would still dope and just be more careful.
Yes. All he had to do was not make his comeback in 2009 and we'd all still be arguing if he was a cheat or not.
Daniel Lewis your comment is spot on. David you are the winner.
+Daniel Lewis He's actually admitted that himself, that he would do it all again, proving that old adage about insanity - doing the same thing over & over again & expecting a different result - being 100% CORRECT!!
Daniel Lewis He has openly admitted that he probably would do it again and why wouldn’t he considering what all the other top riders were doing. He was just better at maximising the output. If he didn’t dope he would not have come even close to finishing in the top ten. Plenty of other riders have said it was rife in the sport well before LA did his first tour and they soon realised what they needed to do to compete on a level field. If he is a fraud, the whole sport is, not just him.
If you knew you were gonna come out of it with 100 million dollars and left a wealthy man even after being caught wouldn't you? wouldn't anyone?
What conviction David Walsh has. He knew he was right, he just had to convince others. He did in the end and I bet it tasted good!! And what a shame about his son. Feel sorry for him for that.
Excellent video, thanks for sharing!
I had never known about Mr. Walsh's son's death. What a shame, he sounded like such a great kid.
His son (who shoulld have never been brought up publicly out of simple respect for the dead) acted like a rat and a snitch, andthe teacher should have never forced the kids to SNITCH on each other for normal kid behaviour that hurts no one. He was just a kid, and if anything what they all should have done is not snitch on ANYONE. The teacher was criminally wrong to lock them from eating, in the first place, effectively getting what he wanted and teaching kids to not be honourable and defemd each other from this dumb repression over some naught words. He should have shown respect for his son instead of mining for pity oints. Disgusting.
@@Foxbat1155 nice bait
@@Foxbat1155 you would have fit right in to the US Postal team :) ….wait…Lance, is that you??
Thats a kid with character like his dad: the truth mattered, but at 11 years he handled it with respect and compassion for all concerned. The story about his don was fitting: it was a different msn who encountered Lance after his sons death. A man who had a bigger mission, and had been humbled, and traumatized.
Armstrong himself may have admitted to doping in the end, but as far as I'm concerned David Walsh was the man who exposed him as a cheat.
Thanks to David Walsh and especially The Sunday Times for having the courage to stand beside him.
Same respect goes out to Greg LeMond ,Frankie , Betsy Andrei , Stephen Swartz, Emma O'Reilly.
Thanks go I hope to Tyler Hamilton and Floyd Landis for having the courage and the inner strength to break cycling's code of omerta.
The real heroes in this mess.
EndtheAgenda Greg LeMond is a great sportsman!
Hamilton and Landis only `came clean` because they got caught.
Froome is clean within the rules. Sky just push legality to the limit. That is not cheating but maybe morally corrupt.
@@TobiasImmerstein-tm3gp Hope you can learn to spell one of these days.
I think the movie missed it w/Lance in that scene David described. Walsh goes on to say that Lance couldn't lie to that woman (cancer patient). What made Armstrong so diabolical is that it was exactly that kind of person he COULD lie to - no problem. It's the exact same thing that made Armstrong not just deny those who accused him but made him destroy them too. He often speaks of "friends" but he's incapable of having any, etc. It's the same thing that will forever disallow Armstrong from ever truly seeing the truth or sincerely apologizing to Walsh. He is a husk of a man; there is nothing inside at all. If there were a hierarchy of psychopaths, Armstrong would be their king. That scene in the movie tried to make Armstrong look human when in truth, he's just not.
+The Purselmer Another AWESOME comment from a clearly erudite person...you've increased my belief in humanity after having read your post, after wading through so many rivers of absolute LIES, FALSEHOODS & BULLSHIT from PHARMstrong fan-boys.
@Mr. MERCEDES 95 They all doped and you guys have no clue, bunch of armchair psychologists!
@Mr. MERCEDES 95 Didn't you call him the "King of Psychopaths"?!
Resorting to insults says all i need to know about you!
Exactly: A psychopath has no CAPACITY for remorse. They are on Death Row to their dying day denying they are guilty. Look up the killer of Natalie Holloway as her mother begs him to tell her the truth. Thats Lance/ no capacity for empathy or remorse. Zero.
But, the good journalist also has no capacity to understand what an empty shell Lance is. Thus, he wants to believe Lance regrets or is ashamed at dome deeper level, which is a fairytale of a different sort. Self delusion- Lance would have relished such praise!
But, you are also wrong.
Lance is human, and so is Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and all the other sociopaths. Whatever is within the realm of human experience is humanity.
But, just like a Beethoven can be one of tge greatest piano masters in human history, it is a rarity.
Thankfully, psychopaths are somewhat rare. But, they are very human.
@@TheRongyThink that that title sums up Armstrong nicely. But I could probably add that he was the lowest of the low as a human can be as well
I met Lance Armstrong in 1998 , My immediate impression of him was that he's a douchebag . He had a real stuck up attitude
Yeah, whatever. Liar. I met the Queen in 1998 and she said Lance was a cool guy and that he had a great attitude.
@@rotwart 🤣🤣🤣🤣👍
David Walsh deserves mention here. He's a story worth telling. I like the first question and answer.
Is he mentioned
Hero's with clay feet, they are everywhere, in all walks of life.
That was an excellent presentation.
Way to stick to your guns amongst a crazy time! Makes the Armstrong saga all the more amazing. Thank you!
Trump and Armstrong seem to be very similar.
@@robertallardice8119 edgy comment dip shit.
@@craigdonovan4277 😂👍
Amgen makes the main EPO brand, they sponsor the Tour of California.... love it
Wow
I always found this shocking, and why nobody talks about it?
Hahaha, is that so ... you cant make shit like that up :D!!!
Wow, when money is involved, humans will do EVERYTHING to get hold of them!
It's true it's the Amgen Tour of California LAWL
Do people watch the tour of California ? I'm in France and never heard about it.
My Cousin live in Menlo Park and has a second house in Palo Alto so i watch things about California but haven't heard much about the tour of California.
DAVID WALSH IS THE TRUE HERO!!! WELL DONE!!
Excellent dignified speech
I blindly followed the career of this person for 7 years believing he couldnt possibly be doping having experienced and battled cancer. He was my hero. What a liar and a cheat. He treated us like idiots.
For me it’s not such a black and white thing. I completely agree Lance comes off as a prick, and I’ve met him once back in 2000 and it reaffirmed that sentiment. He’s the kind of guy who looks thru people rather than at them (which seems to be the way most hyper driven, a-type “win at all costs” personalities are).
Where it gets muddy for me is that almost every cyclist who competed or knows about the atmosphere back in the 90s all say that if you didn’t dope, you had literally no shot of even competing let alone winning. It was so rampant in the sport that to “keep your honor” meant to be unemployed and completely irrelevant in the conversation with your absence. That’s not to excuse it, but it is what it is, a massive “open secret”.
The other problem I have is that all the sanctioning bodies, and all the major sponsors knew that not only were the majority of the peloton doping, but that their biggest star, Lance was as well. There’s positive tests from back in 1999 that were swept under the rug by phone calls and clandestine “donations”. They could’ve stopped this from day one, but then they would’ve lost their “golden goose” in Lance. And so, when the actual people trying to uphold the “honor and integrity of the sport” are in on the take, what is anyone to do?
What bothers me most is in the way Lance went after people who made allegations against him. He didn’t just deny it and move on, he sued them and won. He got them fired, and in the case of Greg LeMond, he got his bike line (which was made by Trek) shut down. That’s the behavior I find that inexcusable more than the doping TBH.
It’s hard to rectify the negative things Lance did, the lives destroyed and the long term tarnishing of the sport with the undeniably good things he did with Livestrong. They’ve raised hundreds of millions of dollars for cancer research, spread awareness, given hope and undoubtedly saved countless lives over the years with their efforts. That’s because of Lance’s nefarious success.
So, in a weird way I still wrestle with this whole thing, because I would argue more “lasting” good has actually been done than bad from Lances actions. People got rich from them, people’s lives were saved because of them and once Lance was fading in popularity and “usefulness” to the UCI and other sponsors, that’s when they chose to find their “integrity” and cast him aside.
I had a friend who had cancer. I was heavy into cycling.I was caught up in the lance hype. When I talked to her, she just shook her head, she didn’t like lance. She died three years later. She was one of the greatest most genuine human beings I ever met, Valerie Vidile.I miss her so much.
@@literallyshaking8019 What Armstrong did to Greg Lemond was outrageous.
@A.Long Kudos to you for seeing the light and truth about this fraud! Despicable and abhorrent behavior from Lance Armstrong...totally unforgivable!
Massive respect to David Walsh. That was gripping.
Critical Question:
How many cyclists DIED on the path to Frankarmstein? Greg Lemond estimates 100 elite cyclists died from heart issues, etc.
Lance did not do this with a small group- it involved Governments, Governing bodies, Corporations, Olympics, etc. Lance wanted his piece of the pie: hundreds of $ Millions out of the hundreds of $ Billions generated from doping pre-dating Lance by decades.
I remember at the time there was a lot of hand-waving explanations about how the cancer treatment pared Lance's muscles down to a minimum so when he built up again he was a lot lighter but produced about the same power and much was mentioned of power-to-weight ratios, how you have to produce so many kcals of energy per kg of body weight and they'd just come up with those hubs that measure that. It all sounded pretty good at the time, but apparently that wasn't enough, gotta dope too.
They were ALL DOPING.
Perjury should've landed Armstrong in prison! Despicable excuse for a human being! Kudos to Walsh for exposing the FRAUD that is Lance Armstrong!
It's the most beautiful talk by David Walsh I have ever seen, I am so totally amazed, and thankful for these words cause it' the story of a journey of a man who really never stopped working and for whom it was for sure "not about the bike" 🤭😊.
Never stopped lying? Never stopped doping?
It was about the fame and money.
Brilliant! Thank you for uploading
Armstrong’s worst behavior was setting out to destroy the lives of people who did nothing but tell what Armstrong KNEW to be the truth.
He’s not a champion in any sense.
I always liked David Walsh, now , I love him
Great speech!
What's the documentary title from the first part? Anyone knows?
Can someone please tell me the name of this documentary. ?
1/ Prostate cancer is the most curable cancer of all cancers , Lance glorified his condition to win big , he became an imposter
2/ He lied to his wife , worse, he lied to his kids , can you imagine?
3/ he was a bully, acted like the mafioso, ruined people’s lifes, and their families , manipulator, a monster!
4/ he was the best ring leader in this sport because he wasn’t a great rider (ranked 38th before cheating)
5/ karma isn’t done with this guy, karma never expires. Lance Armstrong ‘s face , have a good look at his face, I only see pure evil.
He didnt have prostate cancer
YOUR EGO WILL ALWAYS BRING YOU DOWN AND KARMA ALWAYS GETS ITS JUSTICE!
drink 150mils of yhahuasca and stop shouting:)
Are u bald. Get back and own your life with a pro wig
David Walsh should get the 7 missing yellow jerseys
Is that you Lance ?
7
yes because im sure lance played video games all day then just doped and won all 7 of those races...
What a stupid comment. He tells the truth and comes clean and all you people can do is say "oh he really isn't sorry". Like what the fuck do you want from him? I probably wouldn't be sorry, either. Anyone with half a brain knows PEDs and banned substances are used in nearly every sport, and was obviously extremely prevalent in cycling. You think football players are just getting more concussions these days because they've developed more? Fuck no it's because they run twice as fast and are twice as big. Open your eyes.
yomac119 clap clap Lance, great doping 👍🏽 No, really
Phil Liggett and Paul Sherwin were in Lance`s pocket too …. they had a financial interest in supporting him.
Are you referring to the Ugandan gold mine that was primarily Sherwen's 'baby' but into which Liggett & PHARMstrong had invested? If so, you're 100% spot-on! It used to make me sick just how much they fawned over LA, FAR more than other great cyclists before & since him & it always reeked of some type of corruption to me.
It made me sick
I never liked Lance once
he lost his 12 yr. old son...i can not imagine the pain. i believe it would drive me crazy.
Who lost their 12 year old son?
Who ?
First he says: I" am not entitled to give anything away from the upcoming movie. The production company is very clear about that!" And then at the end of the speech he gives away a whole scene!! LOL
Meet Armstrong in 1991 at the start of a race and got to tell him good luck. I saw him race many times race in the Tour de France live and on TV. He gave so much hope since I'm a cyclist and a cancer survivor. It was all too good to be true. It's all about the money and fame. Finally the truth prevailed.
Nor would the real Lance Armstrong act that way. He is a sociopath; and would have looked her in the eye and said, "glad I could help, now buy a couple more books".
Does someone knows the documentary that is shown on the tv screen ?
Simeon Levchenko it’s called ‘Stop at Nothing’ on Netflix
If something is too good to be true. It usually is. Lance was an average rider the suddenly at the age of 27, after illness, goes on to be the greatest of all time. The problem is we love fairytale stories and so do advertisers.
Lance was so greedy. He could have gotten away with this if he was satisfied with even a couple less tours.
he would have gotten away with it if he just didn't do his comeback.
Dude, everyone on pro level takes drugs! Lance was just the best. Show some respect.
@@Spychu1993 Yeah the best doping cheat in pro cycling
@@Spychu1993 I have as many Tour de France wins as Lance
If he cheated and got one and stopped
No ones gonna know
29:06 Christophe Bassons in 1998 turned down a 270,000 franc-per-month raise (more than 10 times what he was earning at the time) offered to him if he would use Erythropoietin (EPO).[7] His stance against doping led other riders, most notably Lance Armstrong, to harass him for breaking the longstanding code of silence about doping in the sport.[8] wiki
Basically, Lance got away with it because of his backstory (beating cancer and winning the Tour de France). It was such a big story and brought so much money (advertising, broadcasting, sponsors, etc.) that the governing body didn't want to admit Lance was doping. They let him get away with it and he ran with it (funding himself with better training, rehab, doping advice, getting around testing). The cycling body created Lance Armstrong because they needed a figurehead of the sport. And Lance had no problem being it. Corruption is everywhere and money talks...
He hid behind the comeback story and the UCI needed to raise their image for cycling
Such a pity that David Walsh don't make the time to investigate Team Sky/ Ineos....
When can we expect his books on Jan Ulrich, Marco Pantani, Bernard Hinault, Eddie Mercxx, Jacques Anqutile, Alberto Contador, Iban Mayo, Michael Rasmussen, Vinokourov, Stephen Roche, Laurent Fignon, etc...? Will those be out soon?
Fignon is deceased. Dead. Somebody else can write it though.
@Scott Buchman You mean every top rider from the 1970s to 2000s (and probably 2010s) ?
@@suminshizzles6951 Fignon have told about the juice in his own book.
Whole bunch of dopers, you meant?
Can always spot the Lance syncophants with their "What about..." and... "everyone did it!" mental gymnastics. Lance cheated, lied about, destroyed people who told the truth. he is a horrible person.
I believe all the top riders in his time were juicing but the way he went after people that were trying to get to the truth just amazes me. The man seems to be something worse then a cheat.
Yes it’s called a narcissistic sociopath
Why did people care to proof arm dopes when the whole sport does it?? Why chace a guy when its the climet? Ofcourse he will fight acusations do u expect him to say" ohhh your right im dopping. Disqualify me"
That last scene Walsh describes from that movie would have to be fiction. The real Lance would just lie to the woman and accept her accolades. The real Lance has no shame.
This should have a million views and more.
David Walsh called Lance a "psychopath," I call Lance a sociopath. I love the closing story,about the female cancer survivor; that captured scene shows the heart of the fraud he committed.
CT! J
I think he's more a psychopath. Lance is pretty awkward in 1on1 interviews and sociopaths are socially invinsible.
That scene was made up. Didn't happen. At 53:27 Walsh is clear to state it didn't happen. Truth is important. Especially these days. To have that story be the concluding segment makes me squirm a little.
He is a winner
What I don't get is why wasn't Armstrong charged with perjury with regards to the libel trial?
History in america says are you white and rich, the law is different for you...
@@mortenc2373
Duke LaCrosse black lady lied and destroyed
3 white boys lives with false rape story.
She got in no trouble.
She wasn’t rich
She wasn’t white
The world needs more David’s, end of
I understand that but why " end of " ?
Wow all this over a sports star. Ya know sometimes when I watch these things I feel like I'm watching a serial killer documentary or something...
But what do you think when they put Lance on Oprah or on the front page news? Did you say man all this over sports star? He used the media to send a message that was a fraud. He got my attention. WE were duped and we need to know.
He tried to destroy the lives of those who told the truth, he is a scumbag
Thank god for David Walsh if it wasn’t for him the biggest cheat in sport would never have been exposed. LA was a horrible human being who would have done anything to protect his lies. And if he hadn’t of been on his Ferrari designed program he wouldn’t of finished in the top 30 in any of those TDFs period.
Hypocrite!
Bro…everyone in TDF is cheating.
What Lance is is an asshole who destroyed peoples life’s. Walsh should have gone after everyone else in the TDF too. Why single out Lance?
I love the quote about Lance having everything in the world, except the truth
That last question.....No,he never had any doubt,if you watch enough tour's de France you will likely be aware only around 10 guys can win,these are the usually slim guys who can make up big time up the mountains.Lance was originally a good 1 day racer,good at time trials and sprints.In his 5th tour after coming back he was flying up the mountains,that rarely occur's.
The Europeans were great dopers, Lance just did it better. But, this reminds me when I asked a track athlete friend once, who would I be surprised in track that doped? He named her and I was shocked, big name. It took a few years for validation but now we all know who that American track star that also fell from grace. Past history. He named another track athlete, a male. It slip my mind who that is now. Moral of this story is, they did in some degree but did they do enough to try to win.
I think you missed the point. Lances story only mattered when he was not doping himself. That' was the story, Lance Armstrong won against all the odds down to hard work. Not I cheated so I won. No win due to cheating is a win regardless of anyone who does it.
B.J. Martin Wow, what an achievement. A better cheater and sociopath liar than everyone else. No wonder you guys still defend him. Hooray.
chico31 No one said it was an achievement. What you don't get is no one else got a lifetime ban. Look at just the Festina affair when Lance wasn't even riding. You see any life time ban there?
B.J. Martin I'm blown away when people like you post such silly comments. It shows that you don't really understand the situation with Lance as it compares to the other riders who doped. The other riders came forward and admitted their guilt, while Lance took over a decade to only partially confess, after everyone else already had on this team. The only reason he admitted anything was because he looked so foolish at the time and EVERYONE knew he was perjuring himself under oath! The man has no limits, in terms of the depths that he will go to be a dirty person. It's common sense to everyone, but you, why Lance's punishment is more severe. They is no injustice in that. When you spare the courts time and money, you deserve a lighter sentence, but Lance did no such thing, so he has to rightfully PAY THE PRICE.
1stPlaceDirector Oh no, no other athlete lied under oath that's why he's the only one that got a life time ban. I get it now. No one lied under oath and got lesser than a life ban when found guilty.
You look foolish, do some homework and if you're going to give life time ban for people caught lying in court, it should be more than one athlete.
Ferrari is Italian for Jeff Goldblum
David Walsh - the true hero we thought Lance Drugstrong was ...
This gentleman did some amazing investigation and would not give up!
It is really a sad commentary about Lance Armstrong.
As a theology school grad, I would like to comment about the gifts from the wise men. BTW, the Bible nowhere says that it was three wise men. There were three types of gifts oh, but it is not revealed how many wise men showed up? Now, under my main point. A close friend of mine wrote a four book series on the lost tribes of Israel. In his commentary about the first century in Palestine, he actually talks about the gifts from the wise men. He raises this question: how did Christ go about preaching the message to the masses with no job and no income? It is my belief that these gifts had been set aside until the time Christ had to complete his 3 1/2 year Ministry.
Truth be told the years when Lance was winning, those were the most enjoyable to watch Tours ever, he was a stand out personality, as was Pantani.
The Tour has always had the drugs, a small edge over a long distance adds up to a lot.
Great talk by David Walsh, his story is inspiring.
I'm guessing, then that you never followed cycling during the 80s?! The '85, '86 & '89 Tours were the greatest that I've ever watched & if I didn't dislike Stephen Roche so much (tinged with a bit of bitterness that Lemond should have been there, had he not been shot - not that this was Roche's fault, of course!), then his battle with Delgado in '87 would probably also be included in that list, while Delgado didn't have it all his way in the '88 TDF either!
Top sports have always been a place for doping. Sadly also cycling.
But the top of Tour de France have been made significantly harder and longer than it was ever intended to be - due to the fact how top riders evolved. And the top riders evolved because theyvwanted to perform more and be faster and stronger. So the Tour got longer and harder. And then the riders upped the doping. It's a really bad spiral.
89 Tour will never be beat. Coming from me who was born in 1996 and has rewatched the last 40ish Tours.
This Walsh dude is the one that wrote Froome's biography while he was cheating
He wasn’t cheating?
@@eddiel7635 apparently he has Asthma?
I was so proud he was a native Texan and fellow cyclist. So inspiring and fun to watch. But he's s sociopathic narcissist. Thanks for exposing him David Walsh.
5:25 A+ for the Sagan quote which seemed to go over Walsh's head. I'd object more to the "extraordinary accusations" than the "extraordinary proof" part. Raising the question of doping in sports really isn't all that extraordinary lol---even before we knew the extent of it.
Lance is the quintessential American: Lie cheat and steal your way to the top then when you're caught cry Oh Poor Me.
@AtR Exactly..... He leveled the field.
Wonderful guy, great storyteller, honest man
Hi my name is Lance Armstrong after racing for 5 hours I am bolting up a mountain while Pantani shakes his head. Anyone that watched Pantani shaking his head as Armstrong was chilling next to him was all the evidence you needed.
Pantani shook his head cos he was doped to the gills himself
@@huzcer No argument from here. Everyone in pro cycling who actually are household names like Merkx, Anquatil, Idurain, Armstrong, Ulrich, Shleck, Pantani, even all Track cycling names all cheated and were doped to the gills. Armstrong gets the shaft because he did it so blatantly right in front of the cameras and really wanted to make himself the greatist cyclist ever. His ego is what did him in, and you damn wall that Greg Lemond also cheated, no one is innocent in this game. Anytime people do something for money the call to cheat will always be there.
If you got a Bottle of Champagne as the prize for winning the Tour De France maybe 50 crazy drunks would show up to race lol.
@@danfuerthgillis4483 Eddie Merx introduced Armstrong to Ferrari. Armstrong is a psychopath who went out to destroy those who went against him instead of keeping them onside. That was his downfall
Minom Pnom Greed and Corruption it’s the name of the game these guys know it. I don’t care if you have a 1 kg road bike , you are not going to Win major tours without chemical assistance.
What is the film title?
The Program
There’s something almost ‘altruistic’ in the way Walsh presents this story, and to a degree in how he presents his work generally. Yet I’ve never met an ‘altruistic journalist’ in my entire life. Many of the darker traits he describes about Armstrong, in this day and age anyway, seem to be traits a journalist is almost required to have in their CV. At any rate...
Behind all the drama and storytelling is the fact that the vast majority of riders in the professional peloton at that time were using PEDs. Undeniable I think. Armstrong beat them. And he beat them soundly for seven consecutive years. In a sport in which doping is/was as essential to the participation as a carbon frame is now, he won - and the Ulrichs & Pantanis & Bassos & Klodens of those seven pelotons all admit that. One guy was on top. ‘That’ fact seems to be ignored, and uncomfortably ignored also. So uncomfortably, that the UCI and ASO have left the record books with seven Tours de France as if they were never raced. Its difficult to get one’s head around that honestly.
And NOT to sound too much of an Armstrong defender - but Walsh’s final story about the evil of delivering ‘false hope’. When a human being is in the grips of a cancer diagnosis, cancer treatments, and all that these things mean to them. When a person comes along at a time, that finds you with little if any hope, and gives you hope that in ANY way at all makes your fight more bearable - it simply ain’t “false hope”. We can bash on Lance Armstrong all we want, and God knows he deserves it. Especially for the way in which he treated many people. But the hope (and help) he might’ve provided for cancer patients is a completely separate story. It’s not as if cancer patients were damaged or defrauded because he dared provide them with a glimpse of hope. If that hope somehow got them through a fight with cancer to live a longer life than they otherwise would have - then I seriously doubt that on reflection those cancer survivors would criticize the hope they found. In fact I suspect they’d openly say they were grateful. Even if they then went on to criticize Armstrong.
This is long winded, I know. But ‘the doping’ and ‘cancer’ are two different stories to tell. Each a distinctly different story. And maybe the most horrible part of all of this, is that the cancer community has lost a GREAT deal of support, both financial and practical, in the aftermath of it all. To me, that’s the saddest part. Lance Armstrong, warts and all, did a lot of good. Ignoring that simply because we dislike him or were hurt by him, seems as dishonest as he was. Personally, I think if I were to find myself comfortable with that, than I might be in serious need of a bit of introspection.
I agree with most of what you said. This Walsh guy makes himself out to be some sort of hero, but he's anything but. As if it was an accomplishment to accuse a rider of doping during that era?
So why was Armstrong so ineffectual before his cancer diagnosis ? The answer is that he was able to hook up with the best pill pushing doctor who had the physiology and pharmacology all figured out, but only after his comeback. I disagree that he deserves some recognition for the foundation. It was not done in an altruistic spirit, but rather from the depths of a truly egotistical soul.
@@paghal11 You are pretty clueless. He was young before the cancer diagnosis, and riders peak much later than that.
@@robertorolfo All the evidence points to the contrary. Whenever (as far as anyone knows), he rode clean, he sucked. See 2009 TdF, up until he did a transfusion just before the Mont Ventoux climb.
@@paghal11 Yeah, he "sucked" in the 2009 Tour. What are you even talking about? You have no clue.
embarrassed entire USA......
A Hero saves a family from a burning building, or frees a nation as a leader...lance .....not a TDF hero!
Please stop mentioning the name of this nothing - it is equivalent to publicising the name of assassins, killers of famous people.
I don't think Lance is a psychopath or a sociopath or any kind of serious psychological label. He was a troubled kid who deeply enjoyed the role of hero, champion athelete , celebrity -the WHOLE bit. A lot of people were benefiting from his accomplishments. He felt that he did'nt have much of a future outside of sport so he decided to stay. He did what the rest of the peloton was doing. They all cheated. They are all invalid as athletes.
John Agresti they’re not invalid. They’re the some of the toughest bunch of pro endurance athletes ever. lance won because he deserved it. He fought harder than everyone else. The top riders are all doing something to gain an edge. You’re not competing unless you do. That’s unfortunate but the truth
@@damonm3 yes -they are invalid. Sport is supposed to be an expression of what the human body can do. They artificially enhanced the body's capabilities.
He went out to destroy other people. That makes him a psychopath.
@@huzcer He was vindictive . Not a psychopath.
@@bellavia5 that's a matter of opinion. I'd call him a vindictive psychopath.
David, time to check out Froome and SKY now!
He has already done that. He spent a full year with unlimited access to team sky and has written a book on the subject. In his opinion sky and froome race clean
Wayne Daniel I would say that they race clean as well. It’s certainly a cleaner sport now than it was back then.
Here is a question nobody asks that is far more important to medicine than anything did Lance Armstrong take drugs prior to getting cancer and if so did they cause it’s onset or did he start taking them or was administered some of them whilst he had it because for such a life threatening state he was in he certainly recovered better than almost anyone in history. This alone should be investigated as obviously not Recommended for use in sports but definitely in cancer research!
This idea was considered but of course never spoken. That was taboo. Truth was taboo.
I dont know anything, but I wish someone would take a hard look, in this order at nascar, F1, & Phelps. Proof of honesty would be public.
Lance stopped being my hero when he split up with his first wife. I'm picky about my heroes.
Lance said he was a Christian
Then he cheated on his wife
Then he said he’s an atheist
Awesome presentation. David Walsh is journalism's very own Tommy Robinson. Like David, in time Tommy will eventually be vindicated and congratulated for his efforts and his bravery. And the doubters will justifiably feel very, very silly.
YES!!!
all this to show you and tell you what a great Kunt of a person Lance was, who cares how well he rode, it's the lives he destroyed and people he stepped on to win, a sign of a master Kunt.
The TDF has not had a clean winner since 1916 period, we can all accept that as viewers of this sport.
Define clean though. What were the cyclists in 1916 on, morphine? Cocaine?
I wonder if lance arm strong ever thought about using an engine.
I wouldn't be at all surprised, as NOTHING is off-limits for that narcissistic nut job.
Zeeker Xan Ah motor-doping! He most certainly would have.
He absolutely did. But I think he felt that was too low a thing for him and he liked the idea of doping much more. The secrecy, the codes, the dramatic changes and that he was the rider, not just a passenger on a motorised bicycle.
ask Cancellara ; )
Ask Froome, his data from Sky shows it
Lance was demonized because he was an a-hole, but the racing was a level playing field. If Lance loses his wins then all winners from the 90s-2000’s deserve to be stripped as well.
Yes. Indurain won from 91 to 95, and never gets questioned.. Hmm
They were all on the juice during that era. He should not have lost his titles. All the other confessed juicers got to keep theirs. He was an a-hole and so was more harshly punished.
This. Lance deserves to have his TDFs removed. But if you’re making this big stand against doping, you need to remove all the other dopers titles too.
Armstrong beaten by David Miller when Miller was clean and Armstrong was on the juice, fact. Let that sink in.
What i despise MOST about Lance The Fraud Armstrong is that he was never man enough to apologize to David Walsh, Greg LeMond, Frankie Andreau and wife, Tyler Hamilton, and every other person that he'd bullied & harmed while perpetrating his crimes. That, more than anything, is what takes him down from one ball to zero balls in my book. He's not a man, he's a spinless twit.
Why should he apologize to any of them? Do you have any ideal of what it takes to win the Tour de France? Why wasn't any of the other pass Tour winners been tested? Because before Lance and after there's still doping done in the Tour. These people were just obsessed with bringing him down. Haters!!! To ride over 2,200 miles in three weeks is demanding. Do you know that in the first tour de France's it was done different, they rode 290 miles then take three (3) days off and then continue until they finnish. And doping was done then in some type of form. Just saying this to say that just about everybody was doping and he was just the best at it.
SPACEDOG'S MOUNTAIN BIKING i am not talking about his doping. I condemn his awful behavior which ruined Greg LeMond's business. But if U wish to talk doping, he is an admitted doper and a fraud. The bad excuse about him being the target of "haters" is ludicrous.
@@GodfatherInOhio about ruining Greg LeMond's business I have no knowledge of that, that being said he was certainly the product of haters as I've said before why wasn't anyone else sort after like he was when everybody was using.
SPACEDOG'S MOUNTAIN BIKING Oh i agree that doping was widespread on the pro cycling circuit. To compete cleanly meant competing at a disadvantage. But LeMond never juiced and won three times. Same with Indurain. Both defeated all the juicers.
@@GodfatherInOhio that's not true that might be what you want to believe but it's not true
lance is a legend.
And not in a good way
Lance cheated on his wife, so of course he cheated on the Tour
98.8 CHEATED......SO WHAT
@@704JOE when a cop pulls u over for speeding
Tell him
“98.8 cars are speeding, so what”
@@PInk77W1 I'LL PAY THE TICKETS........LANCE PAID THE PRICE........BUT ITS STILL TRUE MOST PROFESSIONAL CYCLIST CHEAT....... MOST DIVERS SPEED....
I hate to complain I really do. But the volume is so low I'm not going to worry with it I'm just going to not watch it I'm sure it's good but I'm not going to sit there and hold my phone up to my ear so I can hear it and then I can't see it so it's all yours have fun people.
Is this because of some movie coming out?
This was following the Oprah interview.
A genuine journalist. A great man. I bet Armstrong will never forget him. Good wins at the end. How the hell he escaped jail is beyond me. A psychopath. World admires you sir David.
Lance Armstrong should go to prison for what he did. For fraud if nothing else.
Rh Last Nae BS! Dopestrong and USPS were a collection of total frauds that had the governing body of the UCI privately contacting him and USPS whenever their tests were looking suspicious. Documented fact! No other team in the peleton had that luxury, and it most certainly was not a level playing field when your team and you are literally getting inside information about your test results from the UCI, rather than the UCI actually doing its job and banning you when you fail tests. It is no small coincidence that Heras, Landis, Hamilton and several other USPS riders that we know for sure were doping with USPS only got caught with positive tests after they had left USPS, and were riding for other teams. They were doing the same stuff the entire time, but were no longer under the protection from the UCI of Dopestrong's umbrella after leaving USPS. When you know that you can literally dope between TDF stages with no penalty to come from the UCI you are most certainly playing the game at a huge advantage relative to your competition, even those that were also doping some.
Bullshit. This guy is an opportunist scum bag journalist who is willing to ruin someones life to further his own riches. The whole field doped, its a fact. He just picked on Lance caus its a bigger story. Good doesnt win in the end, and do you think doping ended too? What a fucking joke.
Klistern2 no he did it cos he knew the direction the sport was heading and it needed to be stopped. Lance needed to be stopped cos it was out of control. Walsh saved the sport as we know it because the doping was getting out of control and making a mockery of the sport
Wait Chris ODowd and his girlfriend wanted to have a 4 way with Walshs daughter and her man? Thats the story.
Seeing as though O'Dowd comes from a (very dry, typically Irish) comedic background, I'd be guessing that he was joking if he did.
He was already using mechanical doping at that time
In the present, riders are not doped anymore, they only get exemptions by specialist doctors. Their medical passport defines a line they are not allowed to cross. The closer you get to this line, without crossing it, the better you can perform. Doping now is hightech, what you think, with so much money involved.
People that have had cancer look at things differently, Lance should have been dead and would have except for modern medicine. I had testicular cancer and should have been dead except for modern medicine. I find people that have not had cancer don't want to talk about cancer. They seem to think like I did that talking about it puts them closer to getting it. It is the classic don't think about it and it is not your problem, like homelessness or rape or vehicle accidents.
I would like to hear what men think about losing a testicle or two. Not one man would consider it and would be worried of turning into a women from lack of testosterone. Not that there is anything wrong being a women. It is just that competing with men in athletics is going to be harder. What is the maximum testosterone level allowed in a man or women in the different sports? Lance came out and disclosed his personal medical issues and this reporter knew that the missing testicle would effect his performance. Lance had to be cheating. A person can lose a leg or arm and compete with a made one and a person can use food to gain advantage but if you lose a testicle a man might as well call it quits.
I don't think Lance got caught or made a foolish decision. He most likely was done playing the game that he did not start but was a part of it seems and used by the Tour De France and the media companies for the huge ratings the competition brought in. Let us know that the NFL is classified as an ENTERTAINMENT company which means it is like professional wrestling and the winners can be selected in advance just like this last Superbowl was.fixed in my opinion.
I'm sorry his wife has never been "this excited" before at 3am. #dealbreaker
Integrity and virtue vs none.
David Walsh. Thank you for raining on the parade.
You can’t handle the truth
David is great
Several of today's professional cyclists are climbing the major mountain climbs faster than Armstrong, Pantani or Riis did while they were racing and doping.
If anyone thinks the doping is over you are sadly mistaken..
Chris Odell Extremely good looking, LOL, NOT!
It's Chris O'Dowd - but you're 100% CORRECT!! The guy's only 39 now & when I showed my mother a few photos of him earlier, she guessed that he was in his late 40s & not even an attractive guy for someone that age!! A great face for radio IMO!
Bravo David Walsh...one of the best presentations I've ever watched..!! and a big thank you for the clip at the end where you mentioned "Chris Horner" (it's now 2019) I watched that tour with Chris Horner and the whole time I was shouting at the TV is how can a 40 year old guy be winning this race.."With Ease" and not so much of a a question mark from these "commentators" on Eurosport..?? and same thing today with these legal WADA/UCI authorised "TUE's" everyone is using...how many asthmatics can ride and win these tours????
I still feel sorry for Armstrong. Most of the other top contenders from his era, and the modern era, were & still are using PED's. So if thats the case why take down Lance? Even Greg LeMond has interviews on TH-cam admitting he took EPO. Did they take away his Tour wins? Why not? Because this wasn't about fairness, its about destroying one person.
fantastic !!