2005 GM cluster. Odometer Error turned into no bus communication.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 เม.ย. 2019
- This is a 2005 Instrument cluster from a full size GM. It originally had odometer error. The owner accidentally installed the new eeprom in the 56585 location and caused the vehicle to not run.
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The difference in difficulty between soldering with or without the right equipment is akin to the difference between shooting a bullet and throwing it. Nice job . Pictures speak a thousand words and sometimes not saying something is the best course. Excellent.
I've worked on cars in shops 4 years and I've never seen that done that's an incredible type of repair work.
I know in the last couple years they have sent dashboards out to be fixed but to see it done is amazing it's great that someone specialises like yourself in that repair process. I'm really impressed with your work. 👍👌
Awesome video Jeff. I'm just starting to get involved in this level of repair and your channel is going to be a great additional resource.👍
Your soldering skills are top notch.
Wow amazing how nice the reflowed joints looked after you cleaned them up!
Top notch quality work as always!
I've learned a lot watching your videos. You make these repairs look easy but won't try and fix mine as you have the right equipment and experience. I hope my local guy is this good.
Thanks for sharing, Jeff!
Nice work. And you are close to 9k. Next stop 10k...👍
Excellent video like always
Masterful work. I will be contacting you as soon as I get time. I have two gauges that work sometimes and sometimes crazy.
Very nice, as usual, thanks for sharing.
This dude is a Master... I need my 03 worked on.
Great video Jeff. I bet you could fix these with your eyes closed.
Excellent as usual !! :-)
Great job!!!
Great job 👍
Thanks!
OUTSTANDING WORK I MUST SAY , WITH THE 56585 CHIP BING SHORTED PULLING DOWN THE CAN BUS ON THAT PARTICULAR CAN BUS SYSTEM WOULD I REGAIN COMMUNICATION BY UNPLUGGING THE IPC OR WOULD I HAVE TO BY-PASS IT OR JUST UNPLUG IT AND LOOK AT RESISTANCE READINGS . THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND PLEASE KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK !
Jeff where I can buy that sucker solder gun? Great job
Excellent, you really work well under that microscope and that's not easy to do. What brand of flux do you use? I like the way that liquid flux works it helps cool the component and sticks very well. I'm in Thailand and have only found Chinese paste flux here. You make that look so easy, if the owner sees this video he's not going to want to pay you well.
I use AMTECH 559 flux. The Chinese market has some genuine USA AMTECH available.
Do you have a new memory chip for the 2005 Silverado HD? I like to buy one my chip is bad. The problem is (Odometer Error) the U15 chip my chip is empty from line 80 on down therefore copying it to a new chip is pointless so where can I download a good file from?
Brilliant
Hi, where do you buy your components (stepper Motors, Leds, ICs, etc)? Do you get them directly from the manufacturer or from other sellers?
Steppers, lamps, through hole LED's, faces and needles are ordered in high quantities from over seas venders. Proprietary chips are from over seas also. Other miscellaneous parts come from eBay, Amazon, mouser, digi-key or Newark.
How much heat do you use ?
Hey Jeff how do your T12 stations seem to be holding up? I’m about to upgrade my 10 year old bluepoint station and saw your video on the T12s so I’m curious
It's what I'm currently using and love em. I'm never going back to the old seperate hearing element style.
What are you using to simulate your data com? Is it adjustable for testing purposes? Reason I ask is I do CAN diag at the dealership level and to sim data would be a great tool in my arsenal. As it stands my only tool for this is my data bus diagnostic tool that works with my MDI module. Great videos. You do great, quality work.
I'm using a 2003 avalanche ECU and BCM wired up to pots and mounted in a box for bench testing.
@@jeffescortlx That's kick ass. Never thought of that. I will have to make myself one. Have been thinking I need to start some off board programming any ways.
@@jeffescortlx hey Jeff I have a 07 avalanche the illustration is not working on gouges, but the displays info are ok how can I communicate with you in private thanks Ricardo from California
Which pin is the positive A or B12V and which pin is the negative one for a 2005 Silverado to power it on the bench?
I'm not sure from memory, and I'm a couple thousand miles away from my office currently on vacation. But you should be able to find a wiring diagram with a Google search.
My 2005 Chevy 2500 just showed an odometer error today. I am not a DIY person. Where do you have this repair done? Chevy dealer? Is it pricey? Thanks, i was impressed watching the video.
I'm available at the end of August beginning of September.
Hey Jeff, would you know what would cause the displays to have black burnt spots in right hand corners. The mosfet, resister and the LTSX look fine. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
It’s a 07 Tahoe cluster.
That burn spot is normal. Watch some other videos of Jeff explaing the black spot on right corner and what the purpose of it
@@omarfw79 Correct. That dark spot is the oxygen indicator. Black = good. White = bad.
Thank you guys. It was so weird. So the board was good, it had no trace of burnt or blown parts. we put a bead of solder on the mosfet and both displays worked! Thank you Jeff for your videos.
is it possible to repair tracer pads under the 56585 eeprom instead of jumper?
I would think so
Your work is great. I have a 2005 I am working on now. I would like to know what you use to clean everything after you solder. I see a tooth brush but what is the liquid you use?
Rubbing alcohol
@@jeffescortlx Thanks for the reply. I taped a small nozzle on a vacuum cleaner for my solder sucker and it worked great, I didn't rip any pads off while removing the stepper motors. Hopefully soldering new lights and motors goes just as good. Your videos really helped me and gave me the confidence to try this myself. Thank you
@@rustyknucklesgarage6145 no ripped pads that's good!
I got an 06 board that I was gonna use for the cluster of my own truck. I had repaired it previously and set it 260k miles then I shelved it for a good while due to not being ready to swap it. (I have an 02 truck and I'm swapping the whole cab harness and modules to 03+). I got it back out because I was almost ready for the swap and now it reads odometer 0 and it wont let me program it all, but I still have data line communication working. I have been looking for a few days for shorts but finding nothing albeit with my eyes and not a microscope. I don't have an 06 eeprom or good bin to dump on a replacement or I would try that, didn't know if 05 was the same because I got an 05 sitting around. Seen anything like this before?
It could be an issue with the eeprom, or I've also seen a damaged trace under the oil pressure stepper motor that can cause the eeprom to not communicate properly with a micro controller. Check that trace first next to the stepper motor pad, if it's okay send me an email and I can mail you an eeprom and a discounted rate.
Jeff what is the name of the soldering tool you are using
Which one? The soldering iron, hot air station or desoldering pump?
Is there anywhere I can download a dump .bin from a eeprom? It’s a 03 2500hd with the odometer error.
As far as I know there is no USA based forum with an available library of BIN files.
Good as new
Interesting video as usual Jeff. Looks like you could use some 45 degree bent nozzles for hot air work under the microscope.
As soon as my cheap Chinese hot air station dies I'll pick up a quick with bent nozzle! Any day now. Maybe, the thing just keeps on working.
@@jeffescortlx You can pick up bent nozzles for the cheaper stations. They are dirt cheap. I had some for my Aoyue back before I replaced it with the Quick.
@@mike7958 I wish the quick didn't use proprietary tips so I wouldn't have to buy them twice : (
@@jeffescortlx I know what you mean. The proprietary tips are one of the main reasons I upgraded to the quick. Tool-less hot tip swaps that are done....quick lol. The presets and proper sleep functionality are super nice too. My old Aoyue never slept properly.
@@mike7958 I don't like the way the auto sleep is set up on my Aoyue, I think there is settings in the menus. But that little sleep trigger button doesn't always register anyways. But the holder with magnetic sensor in my cheaper Tenma is really convenient and works well. Just wish it had a silicon hand cord.
Hey what are you using to send data to the cluster? IE, OVERHEAT, ETC..
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I have a 2006 Silverado reading odometer error
Can I get your info to send the part for you to repair it?
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What's the gel you applied before reflowing the chips?
Just gel row in. Don't know brand.
It's flux. Link in the description.
@@jeffescortlx Thought so, but wasn't sure. Thanks for the reply.
What is the newest version of the steppers that you use
X27.168
@@jeffescortlx thanks so much sir
Do you still do these by chance? Just got odometer error tonight in my dually
Yes I'm still servicing GM clusters.
Had jumpstarted my 2006 gmc sierra denali and now having issues with the cluster like battery, gas, temp, oil pressure gauges dont work. Radio, and some electrical inside the cab not functioning, and also no communication with obd2 port. Is it possible that my cluster got fried? I found a blow radio fuse, replaced and it didn't help.
Something has taken down the communication wire. The could be the cause, or its simply just showing you the symptoms of having no communication.
@@jeffescortlx its the right side of the cluster that the gauges aren't working. Kinda hard to source out my problems.
@@manueltorres3735 that's because the right side of the cluster gets all its input signal from the serial bus communication.
@@jeffescortlx im realizing now that its a communication issue not power with the modules. If i can figure out where the communication line meets with the modules im having issues with i can probably find my problem.
@@manueltorres3735 try unplugging one module at a time until the shorted communication goes away.
On an 06 2500hd cluster, what would be the cause of the oil pressure gauge to shoot to 80 even without the engine runnung?
A failed oil pressure sending unit.
@@jeffescortlx and would a dead mph gauge cause the odometer to stop recording miles?
@@hansentom50 no, the cluster doesn't need the needle to move in order to count miles.
@@jeffescortlx how can that be fixed? The odometer I mean
@@hansentom50 find out where the signal is getting lost. Confirm it's not making it up to the cluster. A pro grade scan tool can see this.
98 oldsmobile bravada speedometer cluster I haven't got the one from Ebay yet can you do it , like you did in the video ,,
Your bravada has odometer error?
@@jeffescortlx no I took it to my car guy in he needed the oil ,speedometer ,fuel ,temp ,I say to get a used one in replace it but the mileage is going be wrong on the used ,take the chip out of my cluster ,put in the one from Ebay
@@nathanwiggins8578 yes eeproms can be swapped. But what happened to the original cluster? Why can't it be fixed?
I told it to he because my check gauge light can on oil pressure gauge was going all over the place replace oil pressure switch still check gauge light can on so he got the gauge motor but he order the wrong ones so I ordered speedometer cluster with the mileage close to my mileage of my car but don't trust that he can change the mileage on the one in my car ,to put on the one from Ebay can you do it ,price of the work , in how long it will take to do it
I have a 98 speedometer cluster on oldsmobile , I got a used one off of Ebay I like to keep the same mileage on that is in my car ,can you change it to the one I got from Ebay put all my information on it
It would probably be easier to have the original one repaired instead of buying a used one and having it programmed. I typically charge a flat fee, so price would be same for programming or repair of the original.
Man I love your work! I've got a cluster I would love to see if you could fix it's out of a 1999 Audi Q4 the center display is all red& yellow you can see some of the display some times but it would be nice to see what you could do with it because Audi just wants to sell you a new one and it's like 4 hundred dollar.
I might have a replacement screen in stock for that Audi. Send me a email and I'll look into it.
@@jeffescortlx gary_hlt@yahoo.com 1999 Audi cluster
I want to send in a 2003 Silverado 2500hd cluster for repair. How can I do that?
If you go to my channel page you'll see a video on how to contact me.
Thanks. My job World be a no rush and a virgin no previous repair or attempt.
@@fenceman53 no problem. Send me a email.
Great work, although I'm suprised you didn't check the RPM and Speedo at a number of points (other than zero) after putting the needles back on!
I'm not sure what you mean, the MPH & RPM were checked multiple times, including after assembly. It's all there in the video.
It looked like you checked that they functioned, but not the calibration of where they pointed to (and for the RPM that was one point around 2000 RPM and speedo was reading around 73 at you test signal). You should recal and set the new cal in EEPROM if you change steppers. You also didn't test ALL the tell tales. I only ask because I used to supply the automotive industry with cluster end of line production test and calibration stations!
@@simonbaxter8001 at 10:29 the needles are set at the start location while booted up with no signal. At 10:39 reset test confirmed good start location. At 10:57 a second test confirmed good start location. At 11:13 a third reset test confirmed good. At 11:20 start location confirmed at zero MPH, at 12:18 zero MPH confirmed a second time.
As long as your set the needles physically correct from the start, there's no need to make corrections in the eeprom data.
If you think that's ok then fine. My customers wouldn't accept that as a valid check though, especially on a speedo which has mandatory legal requirements and tolerance for indicated accuracy. Don't dispute the good work you do, just thought the video only showed a portion of a return to service validation check.
@@simonbaxter8001 if we were talking about cop car calibration I see your point. I'm not trying to claim that level of accuracy (but let's not forget even a brand new perfect X27 is going to have some slop). But I do think I'm more picky than the average 3rd party cluster rebuilder of 15 year old chevy pick up trucks.
Why is it that you never see jeffescortix and Louis Rossman in the same room? :)
Good Morning. Yes I would like to know how much it would cost?$ me to get my cluster on 2005 Chevy Trailblazer back working again. I'm calling from Houston TX
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Good video, you got as much grey hair as eric at south main auto haha.
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It's chrome.
@@jeffescortlx so you align the needles while to the bottom lines on all of them while it has power?
@@martinberlanga4914 no, not all of them. Depends on the gauge.
Where can I order a eprom? TIA.
I think I'm the only person offering pre-programmed eeproms.
How can I order from you Jeff?
@@xvaladezx from my "how to contact" video here.
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Can u fix my 1991 digital dash
I don't have much for bench testing wiring harness plugs for 99 and older. But if you check out my how to contact cluster repair technician video you could maybe find someone.
Thankfully the rest of the chips on the pcb were not damaged, why don't people use there eyes more?.
I would have looked at the chip numbers and if i didn't recognise them, searching the net would be the next thing, not soldering without data.
Sometimes going slow gets the job done quickly.
I'm supprised you don't get annoyed with people that make a mess.
I've had things come to my door that were 100% ruined by idiots, i have said "It's wrecked, not worth me trying to repair it.".
If everyone was a excellent technician I'd be sleeping in a cardboard box under a bridge. So in a way I'm thankful for the way things turn out. A few years back I started getting more and more failed repair attempts. At first I was frustrated by it, but now I embrace it. Makes for good TH-cam entertainment!
Yes i'm sure you're right, i just hated to see nice bits of equipment and radio gear turned into death city.
Most things i repaired for people i would never have enough money to own, but envy and other negative emotions were not my thing, thankfully.
Yes i've always enjoyed watching people repair things.
Sometimes i learn something, sometimes lol.
great video I am wondering if you can repair a digital dash in a john deere excavator? I have not been able to pull up your email adress
If you look at my channel page, I have a video just about how to contact me.
Hey jeff I have a 04 monte carlo and my gague cluster is throwing some lights I really would love to speak to you asap please contact me back. I need to send it out to you thanks and god bless
Did you watch my video on how to contact me?
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I wonder if I came out of a 2005 red Chevy trailblazer cause if it did small world. If not then just another coincidence.
This cluster is out of a full size.
@@jeffescortlx oh my bad I came across a trailblazer the thher day with electrical issues . I decided to walk away cause I saw that the rfid was missing and the plates where From california and the driver could not speak English. So I assumed it was stolen and walked away. Ok just wondering .
I have 04 trailblazer worked perfect then lost everything
Check fuses. The instrument cluster might rely on more than just one fuse.
@@jeffescortlx I have a working cluster in there now I switch back and forth
@@Collins.2275 I see. Yes something was damaged on the board when it was accidentally shorted. But since I wasn't there when it happened I don't know what was shorted, and since I don't have the board in front of me for troubleshooting I can't see what is damaged.
Too much Electronics in the cars nowadays
Tesla. Computer on wheels. American Made. Least expensive vehicle anyone has ever owned, also the safest.
I can't even believe how someone can be so soldering pig...jeez. Poor cluster. Not your...that first "repair" man :)
You should have shaved a few thousand miles off the odo while you were at it. Saw a mechanic turn back the clock on a 05 ram from 185k to just north of 70k, took him about 2 min, said he learned it working for a dealership, they did it all the time. People always focus on the odo as an indicator of vehicle health when in reality it is just a measurement of the distance traveled. smh
Might be because it is a felony. That might be the reason.
@@dannys5395 Dealerships are committing felonies every day and nobody has been arrested? I have never heard of a single dealership being investigated? Have you?