99 to 02 GM Cluster Repair
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ต.ค. 2019
- In this video I'm going over the 1999 to 2002 full size GM clusters. I go over some common issues of the odometer display going out and gauges needing refurbishing, including the fuel gauge.
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jeffescortlx hello Jeff I need your help if you can help me if not I understand, I’ve been trying to find a bench tester to test out the gas gauge as you did on the video, I was thinking of the autel ms906 but I just wanted to know what bench tester do you recommend. Please let me know
@@josesiyo1549 I made my own with a ECU and potenimeters.
@@jeffescortlx hi I need help with my 2001 gmc savana van I called 2 repair shops don't want to help. gauges don't work are the gas shakes bad. oil pressure bounces around. Temp and volts seems speed seems ok check gauge light is on had a mechanic drop the tank ok their and oil pressure checked out he said he think its in cluster any help with it thanks
Joe
Have you ever done a cluster from a 98 Chevy Silverado? My fuel gauge is twitchy and I'm wondering if it's my sending unit or the air core. Any insight would be greatly appreciated!
@@Draco5185 twichey or rapid movement is from a dried up air core motor. Wide swings to empty is a failing sending unit.
SO enjoyable to watch people who know what they are doing. Thanks for showing us.
Always a pleasure to see someone who knows what they're doing.
Great video, Jeff. We’ve missed you these past few months!
Absolutely top notch professional repair! Really love what you did. Nice and clean repair. Many thumbs up from me!!!
The best video with no nonsense talk easy to understand and follow thanks for that!
Your work is clear and professional i just found your youtube videos and enjoy them keep up the good work
I’m liking these back to back videos lately 😉
Thank you Jeff, there's so much support for 03+ so thank you for giving good info on these older clusters.
Nice to see another cluster video. Been awhile. Great video!
Thanks for the insight to aircore drivers👍👍
Thanks to your video I was able to repair the A8 wire ground and the dash in my truck works again ….good job
I had an 01 tahoe, I miss this cluster. I had LED color bulbs in it. It made a neat effect in the way i had them. only issues ive had in the 17 years that truck was owned by my family was the fuel gauge. But that was indeed the sending unit issue
Love this! I will be directing people to your channel!
Thanks for the awesome video. I knew these aircores could be fixed I read it on a forum probably 6 years ago but I couldn't find it again and wasn't sure of the technique. For some reason I thought they said to lithium grease and use a needle to get it in I just couldn't figure out in my head how that would ever work. I'm really glad you showed this. Luckly I've been saving all my crap ones so I've got about 30 of them to fix now. I hadn't looked too deep into it because I get these so cheap at the local junk yard but this saves me from wasting time on non transmission temp clusters for 99-02 lol. I personally haven't run into the solder points on the odometer connector being an issue expect on prior repair attempts. The resistors always are the problem for me.
Grease would be the right lube to use, I just haven't found a way to get it in. Heavy oil seems to do the trick. Keeps the needle from flopping around.
@@jeffescortlx what weight of oil do you use?
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Such good info!!
These videos are the best
Just discovered this is you, great video explanation! Thank you sir! See ya Wednesday.
You are a Genius my man
What oil did you use for the gauges ? Thank you great video !
Great video Jeff. On a mechanical stand point that fuel gauge issue on the chevys, it's always the fuel level sending unit located in the fuel pump assembly inside the gas tank. The part is around 40 bucks but will require the fuel tank to get removed in order to do that so most people just replace the fuel pump while the mechanic is already there.
Yep! I have to break this news to a lot of people with fuel gauge issues in the 99-02. But they must have corrected the sending unit issues in the 03-up, I hardly ever hear of those needed replacement.
Exactly what I needed to see 👍
Excellent video! Thanks
Perfect videoooo tytyty. Couple questions... what are you putting on solder joint before resoldering? Paste flux ?
What kind of solder ?
What are you washing it off with after resoldering? Isopropyl?
What kind of oil for in the motor ?
Thank you bro I learned a lot with you today
Great work
Thanks! Jeff
I have 3 of these. great video.
Very informative! Thank you.
I was an instrument systems tech for 11 years in the USAF. I suggest that if you think that you can do this sort of repair on your kitchen table to save money that you should send it to Jeff instead. The odds are not in your favor.
LOL remind of UXWBill kitchen table repairs but he actually does decent job doing home repairs
Nice attention to detail. How about using a thin shim when positioning the tach and speedo needles.
Would make it quicker and easier and more consistant.
Great channel
wish i had this video 10 years ago when i had issues with mine !
They must use a pretty high ISO oil in those motors. You improved the dampening, but still not quite what the factory is. Probably be a pain to attempt pushing that high viscosity oil in. Cool stuff, I learned something today.
Correct. It should be closer to a grease, but the motors can't be disassembled and reassembled.
great video thank you for the info
Much better for changing bulbs and gauges :-).
Flourescent displays always look better than leds, just my opinion.
zx8401ztv hey I was going to change my cluster lights to LED so that my cluster is brighter do you have any recommendations on bulbs ? I have this same cluster he is working on👍
My 02 cluster's VFD has a couple of very faint thin black horizontal lines going through it, like dead spots all the way across. Do you know if this is usually a display problem or if removing and reflowing, as you did in this video, often solves that too?
You are brilliant
You have some great videos and you really know what you are doing. Can you take all the light switches in a 99-02 and put white LEDs in them I have watched videos of them doing them all but I know nothing about soldering???
What kind of jumping wire gauge do you use? If possible could you let me know where you buy them from? I am just starting to learn and would greatly appreciate it.
I have a 2002 chevy 2500hd 6.0 and my fuel gauge bounces around like crazy then lodges itself downward. And when i took the cluster out, is it normal for the speedometer needle to move around freely like that? Saw that in the video as well. And lastly any idea why my speedometer is acting like a tachometer? Ill sit there idling and it's at the 10mph and when i rev up the truck it moves with the tachometer needle. Has me clueless.
jeffescortlx Where did you get the oil for the temp/fuel/RPM refill?
Hey Jeff, thanks for taking the time to show us the process. When I put the gauge needle back do I need to remember the position it was at before I pull out the needle? I'm just curious.
Yes the needles need to be put back in the correct location, these do not have a physical stop location to start from, it's a electrical location.
What was the toothbrush for? What type and weight gear oil would be best for an 02' cluster repair?
Where did you get a new lens?! I looked all over the place for one. (Junkyard, many different online sites, and electronic stores). I ended up buying a new Escalade lens on amazon haha. I had to cut the tips of the four right gauge needles to make it fit and the lens kind of obscures parts of the icons but at least it works.
by chance do you have the cluster plug pinout for this year? 99-02
would you tell me what is the wire that trigger the warning oil level lamp on when oil pan is low?
Awesome videos on these 99-02 models. Quick question. I need to calibrate the oil pressure needle on my bench when powered up. Noticed in the video that you connected the wire A1 (tan/white) to ground with a resistor. What is the value of the resistor your are using?
I don't remember the value off the top of my head because it's probably been 8 years since I've set it up. But it's a little over 50% sensor range.
What kind of oil do you use? Also is that syringe special, or just a normal deneedled one? I typically repair 03-06 but I bought an escalade to resell and wanna fix it. Also, will the pigtail from 03-06 work to bench test, or do I get to repin my connector?
You will definitely need to repin the connector, as I had to do just that to work with the 99-02 cluster.
Great video Jeff. I've seen the shaky needles before, now I know what to do. I may try to warm the motors and grease to get thicker grease into the motors.
It's worth a shot. The gap between the shaft a bushing is pretty small, but if you get find a way to get grease in that's better than oil.
@@jeffescortlx I see what you did there with "shot", the syringe and all.
@@boramsey5328 ha! That was unintentional. But clever find!
what do you use for dampening oil?
For anyone asking in the future, this should work.
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Jeff, great video!, the ticking noise that the dials make when starting the car, is that normal or does it needs the oil and bubble removal ? they are so noisy , you can also hear the RPM dial ticking when idling. thanks
99-02 clusters use air core motors, they don't have gears. They can't make noise.
Thank you very much for the great info. Can you please provide the type of oil you use and is that just any type of syringe?
The oil I'm using is nothing special. I'd actually recommend going heavier than what I use. Use the thickest oil you can suck up into a syringe.
Hey bro I have a question what wires do I need to connect to light up the display for PRND
Hello Jeff, and thanks for doing these video's. Excellent information. I'm curious as to what you use for the class 2 Serial data to run the gauges? Thank you.
Home made bench top module.
@@jeffescortlx thank you Sir. I didn’t know if a signal generator would work, or if you needed something special.
Hi Jeff where can I buy that oil for the air core I'm trying to fix my dad 2000 gmc Sierra 1500
Could you do a video of how you setup your bench tester. I have 03-06 setup. Would love to have this set up…
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Great video, Jeff! A couple of questions. Your tool list did not mention the oil syringe? I tried to rig one up but got poor results. What kind of oil did you use? Also, since I don’t have a bench-test setup, do you have another video about setting the gauges in the truck?
The syringe is something I picked up from Amazon about 10 years ago so I don't remember the details. The oil I use is just the heaviest gear oil I could find at Walmart.
Great info! Do you have a video on the cluster putting a drain on the battery?
Not for this year specifically no.
have learned a lot again thank you
could you help with the pin out have not been able to find it
to build a bench tester
@jeffescortlx ... what soldering stations do you use and recommend?
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Para eso usted estudio, es un profeciónal d verdad. Only ask, what did you use after welding acid or another quimic. Thaks charlie from Puerto Rico
I use rubbing alcohol to clean the flux off.
Hi can you help me I have a 2001 gmc savana 1500 van gauges I don't know if it has aircore motors or stepper motors oil pressure gauge bounce around fuel gauge shakes bad temp and volt speed seems good I called 2 repair shops and don't want to do anything so I hope you might help thanks
Joe
Can I disable my abs bulb with no issues? SAS my truck and no longer using the front abs sensors
What kind of oil I should use for the bleeding please
Do you have a new memory chip for the 2005 Silverado HD? I like to buy one my chip is bad. The problem is (Odometer Error) in the U15 chip
Very helpful video. What oil works best and where can I find a syringe with the correct size nozzle?
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I've watched this video a couple of times, but never to the end like I did this time. Question...with the oil pressure gauge, are you saying they always kind of just hang in that position and never go back to resting/zero position? I've got an 01 Suburban, but I'm coming from an 03 Silverado, and am used to the stepper motors. Thanks!
Correct. With the 99-02 The oil pressure gauge will not do a full sweep or a zero reset like the 03 and newer.
What could be causing my gauges to get power when you shut the truck off? If you tap on the dash they will move. It's a 2002 GMC Yukon Denali 6.0. has the trans temp just like this gauge
Excellent video. What oil do these motors use?
Check out "TheGalacticWest" comment below, this question has already been answered.
I have a 2001 Silverado and once the truck is turned off all gauges go to their correct resting places. Keys removed and doors locked, about thirty seconds later a click under the dash and fuel gauge goes back to reading like truck is running. Upon unlocking door, fuel gauge jerks back down to the proper key off position.
I do have a parasitic draw that will kill the battery. Do you think it's the cluster? All my gauges function properly when driving with no flickering or cutting out. Anyway, great video with precise details. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
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What type of oil do you use for the motor dampening? And do you have a link or some information for that "T" shaped soldering iron tip? That made the job look like a piece of cake!
You want to use the heaviest oil you can push through a syurange. I'm using a heavy gear oil, I don't remember the weight off the top of my head. The soldering T tip is a hakko T-12/15 tip. You can purchase a genuine one directly from the hakko website.
Can you send me a link for the oil you use to lube the stepper motors
What kind of bulbs does that cluster use? I need to change the left blinker out
What oil did you use?
What oil do you use ?
What do u use for the oil?
hello you had a video that i had watched on a gauge cluster that you showed which part of it that would cause your battery to die could you please tell me what chip on there would cause that . i have a 2004 trailblazer .
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Jeff can you fix my cluster on my 2000 gmc Yukon XL .
Great vids Jeff... Quick question I've been dealing with for a few months now. Intermittently all the gauge needles will flicker back and forth... Along with all the lights that come on when the engine is initially started... Then it seems stop and run the ignition cycle while im driving and then everything will go normal for a while until it does it again... It all started when I changed the turn signal switch and put in a stereo system (same weekend) 2700w... Then installed 220 amp alt; 155 at idle... Installed Big 3... Still flickering... Im lost... I've tripple checked my work... Can you maybe send me in the right direction?
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@@jeffescortlx so, I re-soldered all the joints on the board where the connector attaches.. and can't believe it... after more that a few months, actually, of flickering and cleaning grounds, and running new grounds... not knowing what speed I was going... it finally works... the joints didn't look bad, but I redid them anyway... and wow like new... thanks a lot... really makes driving the truck enjoyable again.
Exactly what syringe are you using? & oil? I literally have mine taken apart on my wife’s coffee table. My fuel and oil motors spin like no other.
Hey Jeff love the videos man. I have a 99-02 truck and recently bought a 99-02 cluster with trans temp gauge. My old mileage is stored on my old cluster, what’s the process on swapping my original miles onto my new cluster? Btw nothing was wrong with my old one i just wanted the temp gauge.
You'll either need to send it to someone with a programmer or buy a programmer. Fixed until broken channel shows you how to edit the hex code if you want to tackle it yourself.
@@jeffescortlx Right on man!
@@jeffescortlx even if the fuel gauge seems to be reading correctly but is vibrating quickly in place?
When I changed my bulb I had to buy new sockets for the bulbs because the OEM bulbs were soldered in there
@jeffescortlx I re-filled the oil but the only gauge that springs back like yours did (RPM & Speedo) was my volts gauge; all the rest move and stay where ever I put them. Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
Are you applying power?
@@jeffescortlx No power. But I re-installed cluster after my message to you and the gauges are all in the wrong places and RPM still doing nothing. I will re-arrange needles and try again. RPM must be a different problem.. something before the cluster. Anyway, thanks again for your help! Much appreciated!!
What oil is used to re fill the gauges??
Hello. You had asked if someone had a different issue with the fuel gauge. Well mine hasn’t quit completely it reads or is empty and bounces between the two like a bad ground. Thoughts?
If it's only the fuel gauge acting up like that it's probably a problem at the sending unit.
Great video! Question, why didn’t you refurbish the other motors? Wouldn’t it make sense to do them at the same time as you did tach, speedo, fuel, and temp??? I mean... it’s like sending a transmission to get refurbished and the shop only changing what’s worn off and leaving what is still not fully worn off. I know I wouldn’t leave internal components that wear with use, while changing others that already wore out.
Anyway, curious why not do them all since it’s just a lube change
If the lube is already full, I wont add more. If you check your dip stick and it reads full, would you add more oil?
Good video. My problem is the oil Guage. My needle was shaking when idle periodically so I just installed a gm oil sending unit and still seems a little jumpy or sticky. Can I pull the oil Guage motor and oil it then install or does it uave to be calibrated?
Anytime a needle is pulled it has to be set correctly going back on.
What kind of soldering iron do you have? Does it come as a kit with the tips?
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I really enjoy your videos, great explanation on your work, but I have a question, could provide where do you buy the damping oil, i hope ingit the name right. Thanks.
Hey, Jeff. I purchased an old RV with Chevy 8.1, and the fuel gauge had been always stuck at past full (3 o'clock position). I have changed the fuel pump module, and still the same. I wired directly from ECM to cluster instrument panel, and it reads about 2.15 volt with a half tank of gas. When I unplug the fuel module, then it reads 5 volt. I know my fuel level sensor is good and wiring is good, yet it still reads the past full. Does my cluster have issue? Is it normal that gas gauge reads about 2.15 volt half of gas tank full? Appreciate your help!
After unplugging the fuel pump module, it read 5 volt and stuck at 3 o'clock. With the fuel pump module plugged back, it read 2.15 volt and stuck at 2:45 position.
Depending on what year the chassis is, information from the ECM to the instrument cluster is data bus. So voltage reading wouldn't really be a reliable indication of few level. But typically the problem ends up being the wiring between the sending unit and the ECM. But again this is all year dependent.
Hello Jeff, I already changed the oil & put a new oil pressure gauge on the motor & flushed the engine but, my oil gauge shows low pressure & the message center is telling me to check oil. Do you think I need to change the stepper motor air core on it?
No. The position of the needle/motor has no effect on what the message center says. Sine both the needle and message center agree you have low pressure, the cluster is seeing a low pressure signal.
Thank you for your advice 👍
Thank you for the great video. I do have one question, which I don't believe was answered in any other comments or the video: What is the fixed resistor value you use for the oil gauge, or can you give the range so I/we can come up with our own logical test values? A 5 minute googling does not show this info, although perhaps I need to refine my queries... Thanks again!
0 ohms = 0 psi.
Open circuit points the needle to the far right (off scale ~120psi)
56 ohms = 55 psi.
@@jeffescortlx thank you very much. that's perfect
where can i get the oil and that syringe? i have that similar cluster and my gauges are way off.
A lack of dampening oil will not affect the gauges accuracy. Even if all of the lube has dried up, it will still read correctly. It will just bounce as it moves. If you're gauges are very inaccurate then you have something else going on.
I have a 99 cluster and the fuel gauge works but after having it fixed the guy told me oh they all go past the full mark and it goes empty way before, is that just poor needle placement? Love the videos been waiting for mine to pop up to compare, thank you!
Sounds like sloppy needle placement. The guy that fixed it probably didn't have a way to test it.
@@OOOOOO12345 If you fix it by just moving the needle to compensate you'll probably loose full range.
I've had an issue with mine with fuel gage when truck is full the gage would jump to empty. But I could tap dash and it would return to full. After running several miles it would not do it once off full. Then out of no where all at once the airbag, ABS lights are on, the trans temp gage not working, fuel gage on empty and the information Center flashes battery, security, low fuel when truck is off the security light stays on. I first thought it was the sending unit on fuel but if that was it why would it return when you tap the dash and now all the other issues?
What year describing is what happens when the cluster can't see the serial bus data.
Anyone know where to get or what brand makes the dampening oil
What sizes are the bulbs?
have 2000 GM Astro. Mileage goes dark, but if hit reset number of times it will come back on, but maybe for a few seconds or a few minutes. What might cause that, and can you fix?
Fractured solder joints.
Probably.