Great video! Great job explaining! I own a 16ST from the Swedish TV Company and when I found out that there was one very knowledgeable professional at Studio Hamburg, I took it there. Although looking slightly beaten, he said that the insides were perfect. I LOVE these cameras! More please...
This is exactly what I was looking for! I would love to see more tear downs of 16 and 35mm cameras. It can be pretty intimidating to get into these old cameras, but videos like this REALLY help. Information about this stuff can be scarce so this video is a gold mine of information.
Thanks very much! These cameras have generated a lot of new interest, and there isn't much out there. I've accumulated a lot of tidbits through the years and wanted to share them. I'm not a repair tech, but I've done a lot of my own work, and have spoken to many old-time service people as well as Arri techs.
I am simply in awe at the incredible crafmanship and engineering that went into the creation of these cameras. And i still wanna own one of these 16mm Arri cameras myself one day. Preferably the 16BL but i would be fine even with a regular 16 with big magazine and blimping it myself. I just cannot justify the costs yet....
wow this is really well done clean and to the point I shot on the SR2 but nothing like these BLs I love the Blimp such a wacky invention, Im going to prep a short film now and get a BL for me and my dp.. wish me luck!
Thanks for sharing your know-how and this fabulous restoration. My favourite childhood TV show was shot on this exact model camera in the late 1970s, ( running at 25 fps ) and I have learnt so much from your informative video. Many thanks again. I am very tempted to buy and experiment with a 16BL after watching this!!
I'm really grateful for the visual resource you provide with this video. I wonder if you can advise during the reassembly process: what is the correct way to get the two bottom bumpers seated before tightening the side screws? I have a bevy of spacer washers that fell out during disassembly and I'm not sure how to determine how many go on each bumper. I also noticed there is some lateral play in the recessed space where the bumpers tighten up on the bottom - is the idea to get them as centered as possible in that space?
I plan on getting a Canon 814XL-S converted to crystal sync 24 fps. It’s probably my best option outside of getting broke buying one of these with a crystal motor.
If you go with 16mm, you could get an Eclair camera - the NPR and ACL may be more affordable and are usually equipped with crystal motors. I actually shot a film years ago with the Canon 814XL-S when Kodak still made sound film. It was a good cheap alternative and the magnetic stripe was an easy way to get sync sound without crystal. The 814 is a good camera, but it's pretty loud indoors - the Eclair cameras, if working properly, are quieter. When I used the 814, I constructed a homemade blimp which helped a little. On the plus side, Super 8 is a lot cheaper than 16mm.
Wonderful restoration John. The 16 BL was my fist film camera that I bought from the Swiss national TV company almost 30 years ago. Your beautifully shot video brought back some fond memories ♥
Thanks for watching! I used to shoot 16 with an Eclair ACL, and 35 with an Arri 2C. I'm no master technician, but I still learned a lot about many cameras.
Great presentation! I still saw these cameras in action for news gathering at the tv station back in the early 1980s, short before 3/4 inch U-Matic hi band video took over. I read in online forums that the Arriflex 16BL can be converted to Ultra 16, which has a native 1.85:1 aspect ratio.
Thanks for watching! Yes, this camera can be converted to Ultra 16. I have not seen a lot of feedback on this, so I don't know if there's any issues. I just got a 16M that needs some work, so I'll probably do a video on that camera. BTW, when TV stations used the 16BL they usually installed a single-system magnetic sound recorder system inside the camera - there's a couple of threaded holes that secured it. I forgot to mention this in the video. It's pretty useless now as I don't think you can get magnetic-striped film anywhere.
@@FreshGroundPictures Thanks for sharing this information. I remember very well the days of film in my native Germany at the Frankfurt TV Station. They didn't use any in-camera sound recording. This apparently was much more in use in the US, both optical and magnetic sound. They used separate tape recorders, receiving the pilot signal from the camera (as you stated) and later the cameras got crystal sync motors. The sound was then transferred onto 16mm magnetic film to be edited together with the film on a Steenbeck flatbed editor.
I bought a an Arri 16BL over 20 years ago for a documentary which fell through in the end.Then digital appeared and the BL was pushed aside until 2 months ago when I took it out to shoot a sequence using 10 + year old stock. The results were fantastic, rock steady and pin sharp. My only issue was the weight of this beast to hand hold. Since then I have been looking at the possibility of converting to Ultra 16 as I love the wide image and if it's not going to break the bank then I think it might be an option. I've only come upon one place so far that seems to do the Ultra conversions, which is BolexSuper16. Any further thoughts on this would be greatly welcome.
@@FreshGroundPictures I bought a an Arri 16BL over 20 years ago for a documentary which fell through in the end.Then digital appeared and the BL was pushed aside until 2 months ago when I took it out to shoot a sequence using 10 + year old stock. The results were fantastic, rock steady and pin sharp. My only issue was the weight of this beast to hand hold. Since then I have been looking at the possibility of converting to Ultra 16 as I love the wide image and if it's not going to break the bank then I think it might be an option. I've only come upon one place so far that seems to do the Ultra conversions, which is BolexSuper16. Any further thoughts on this would be greatly welcome.
@@johnodonnell955 Hello. I'm not aware of anyone else doing Ultra 16 at this point - I know Bernie O'doherty was a big fan, but he's passed away. Here's the thing though, Ultra 16 expands the frame between the sprocket holes on one side of the film, and the same amount into the soundtrack area of the other side. Since it's centered on the existing 4:3 frame, there's a lot less camera modification required. Even so, the image area gained is still not as much as Super 16. The big drawback however, is the sprocket-side image. That area is contacted by lots of rollers, guides and sprockets in the camera - potentially leading to scratches. Likewise, rollers on the other side still contact that area when the film passes through - Super 16 cameras generally cut back the rollers, or use highly polished surfaces to minimize scratching. Another problem with Ultra 16 is the lab - unless the laboratory has specially modified the way it handles the film, again the sprockets could scratch that extra area. I believe some people have used it and are satisfied with the results. Personally, I'd just crop in the 4:3 area to 16:9 - it allows you some reframing, and the results are not bad. Of course, Super 16 gains you a bit, but that gain could easily be lost through poor optics, bad camera registration or operator handling and focus errors. I hope this was helpful...
Yeah this thing doesn't need to be Super16 capable. There are plenty of Super16 cameras available. I don't get why every 16mm camera has to be converted anyway. I would also not want to convert a Super8 camera to Pro8 either. When you shoot 16mm and get it properly scanned at at least 4K, there's plenty of headroom to either crop it or just leave it as it is. Especially when shooting on Vision3 50D nobody would really tell a difference if it's cropped or not if the DoP frames properly. Or just use an anamorphic lens, if there is one that also fits the lens blimps. I wonder how much light loss you had with the big glass screen of the lens blimp?
It's important to use the Arri glass filter in the blimp - it's about 1/4" thick and it has some anti-reflection coating on it. It's perfectly clear and has no noticeable effect on exposure. They also made an 85 filter as well - harder to find though.
Fantastic video, thanks so much for documenting your process! I’ve just got my hands on one of these, hoping to use it on a short film. The camera had been gathering dust in an attic for years! So far it’s not working so was wondering if you’d have any ideas. When I press go, the red light flashes once, and I hear a click that sounds like a relay switching back off. Nothing else happens. I’ve tried inching it along a bit, and removing the motor (it’s the older, non-crystal-sync version) and nothing looks obviously wrong. Any leads would be hugely appreciated!
I assume you inched the camera manually and the shutter and movement rotates normally - there's nothing binding it. There is one thing you can try - unscrew the electronics panel on the back and carefully pull it out - its just a couple push-in connectors. You can try cleaning and reseating. Also, make sure the 12 volt battery you're using has enough amperage - at least 3amps. The final thing, and the worst-case scenario is a dead motor. Arri made a lot of motors with carbon brushes that were spring loaded. Over time, the brush or brushes get stuck not touching the motor shaft. I've never taken apart a 16BL motor, but I've done a couple others - it's tricky and sometimes the brush breaks and you're totally screwed because they don't make them anymore. Not sure what else to tell you, unless you can find a cheap replacement motor on ebay.
@@FreshGroundPictures Thanks so much for getting back to me! All good ideas and I tried them out today - sadly no luck. I didn’t take the motor apart, but could see and nudge the brushes from outside and they seemed to be contacting fine. Nothing looked suspicious anywhere so I’m pretty stuck! Do you know if there’s a service manual available somewhere?
Been waiting a decade for a video that shows a 16BL teardown 😀 I've had mine for 25 years or so, but haven't use it in a 10 or so years. Mine has a crystal sync motor with a separate variable speed setting. Sometimes when overcranking, the registration pin will jam on the film. I've been wanting to clean and lubricate everything to see if that would fix it... but also wondering if there is some kind of adjustment for it? Are you just cleaning the gears in place and then re lubricating?
I'm just cleaning and lubricating without taking apart the actual mechanism. It's amazing how much dirt and film chips can accumulate over the years. I don't know for sure why the mechanism would jam, but a likely cause is that the tension on the magazine reels is not correct, so the film feeding out or taking up at high speeds causes a slip. If you can find one, Arri made a little tension gauge device for checking that. Adjusting the magazine tension is pretty easy though - there's a double-holed disc on each spindle that is rotated, however you'd need the tension gauge to know where to set it. If you have some old test film, you can try high-speed filming on different mags to see if that causes the problem.
There was an optional sound-on-film magnetic sound recording module for pre-striped film. It seems like the 16BL was used more for documentary work, as it was very rugged and reliable, but heavy. A lot of local news stations used the Cinema Products CP cameras, again with magnetic sound on film. I started working in broadcasting slightly after this era - I used an RCA TK76 tube camera and a 3/4" U-matic portable deck.
@@FreshGroundPicturesI have an RCA TK-76C. It needs a power supply re-cap, but it's a very famous ENG camera, used mostly by NBC News back then. I also have a Sony BVU-110 U-matic deck too. Other cameras I have include a Sony Betacam BVV-1A/BVP-3A camera (which works fine) and an Ikegami HL-79E which I'm fixing up right now.
hello! I am a film student in Uruguay, and we are about to shoot with the ARRIFLEX 16 BL. We are having problems with the camera, before it gave us 25fps, but currently it is giving us 50fps, the change happened after there was a shoot and a film in poor condition was used, which strained the motor. Do you know how we can solve this problem? thank you so much!
Awesome video! I do have a question about power supply and the motor. I have a BL that im trying to get working, I can get the Crystal Sync light to turn on and i hear an electrical buzz but nothing moves in the camera. Would this be a burnt motor?
It could be a lot of things. Sometimes the motor brushes develop a "dead" spot and don't turn - you could try turning on the power and manually inching to see if it starts. That at least will diagnose that problem, but the motor would still need to be fixed. There were several different motors made for the 16BL - some crystal, some not. It would be helpful to understand the electronics and motor installed in your camera. Unfortunately it could be anything from a simple wire connection to stuck motor brushes or another electronic problem.
Thank you. I'll try to test some stuff out. I also don't know how to get the bottom stoppers (the ones connected to the rubber bumpers) out. I undid all the screws but I'm not sure how they pop out.
Excellent review. Is it any wonder I still have mine today. Could you help me? I have an angenieux 12-120 F2.0 that just needs a rebuild and TLC. I simply cannot find anyone, or any resource, that will rebuild my lens. I want to use it on an Ari 16M. The lens is as popular now as it always was then, but I cannot find a person or shop who will touch it. Would you have any recommendations or suggestions? Your help is valuable. Thank you.
I have not done it, but it's certainly possible. The standard original 12 volt cable had the unique 9 pin on one end, and a 4 pin XLR power plug on the other. Offhand, I don't know which pins on the 9 pin connector carry the positive and negative twelve volts, but I do have it somewhere. Besides the actual power voltage, I think the other pins were related to sync, pilotone and bloop which are no longer relevant. I currently own a 16BL with the BLEQ motor which has a 4 pin XLR built in, so I don't have an immediate reference. As a side note, I was going to change the connector on my old camera when I couldn't find a proper cable, but I ended up finding one - in fact I just saw a 9 pin to 4 pin XLR cable on eBay the other day.
@@FreshGroundPictures Ok that is good to know! I did unscrew the connector and saw a whole slew of wires so I just put it back. But that makes sense that it would power all the other features the camera doesn't necessarily need anymore. Thanks for the help!
@@tr.richards5096 Just FYI, before I got the proper power cable, I just found the positive and negative pins in the connector, applied 12 volts power, and the camera ran fine. Essentially, that's all the 4 Pin XLR connector does.
It's VHT Crinkle Finish Black. I used a heat gun for the final dry after 3 coats per the instructions. The key is a heavy coat built up without dripping. A heat gun used for a couple minutes after the 3rd coat really brings out the finish - air-drying doesn't seem to work as well. Thanks!
It's a pin spanner wrench. It comes with multiple size pins that you can switch out. Many times, these bumpers are hard to turn at first (especially if they have not been removed for decades) - try dripping some alcohol on and around them. Alcohol will help loosen them up if corroded, but will evaporate and not leave a film. Do it a couple times, and try moving them when still wet.
@@FreshGroundPictures Thank you so much! And thank you for your videos, I just completed a refinish on my BL (the original finish was flaking heavily) and your video here was a great resource.
Does anybody have the schematics of the 9 pin amphenol power plug? i'm trying to run mine using a 12 volt battery. Need to change the connector to xlr on the crystal control (Georg Jensen electronics)?
😊 I have an old 16 BL camera that’s body needs to be repainted. Do you know of anyone who has any experience with this and could advise me on how to do this?
Amazing. Do any modern film conema cameras use electronic shutters? I wonder if using cnc and 3d printing tech, is a new motion film camera could be made at reasonable cost?
It could be something simple like a connection problem, or it could be the brushes in the motor. If the camera sits for a while, sometimes the brush or brushes get dirty and stuck and don't actually touch the motor shaft. You could try powering on and quickly give the inching knob a twirl. If the motor kicks in, it's a dead spot caused by the brush. If it doesn't start at all, it could still be stuck brush or other problems. Unfortunately, the only way to fix a brush problem is to tear down the motor or replace it. Duall in New York might be able to help.
You'd be surprised... i once saw an Arri 16 with big magazine on a flea market, completely rusted and corroded and the one trying to sell it wanted over 400 bucks for it. I was like "you kidding me?". That thing looked like it was stored in a crate that was found in a ship wreck.....or stored in someone's very very wet basement.
@@KRAFTWERK2K6 I once bought such a 16 ST camera in the net and was shocked about the horrible condition. Nothing worked, everything was moist, stiff and immovable. I looked for the water tap to drain the water. The whole equipment real rubbish. I was so annoyed and wanted to trash it straight away. But then I started a restoration. And after 2 weeks of "hard" work the camera funcionated flawlessly.
Just curious if you know anything about the cp16? I recently got one over the summer and a film student. Was curious if you knew any information on if it could be converted to super16. I also am cut about a tripod. I have no idea what kind of tripod to get or if I can just use a new one that can support the weight. New to all of this 16mm so anything helps.
I'm not too familiar with the Cinema Products cameras - one of the few I've not owned. They have a good reputation as they were used extensively for TV and documentary footage in the 1970s, and many had internal magnetic-stripe sound recorders. I honestly have never seen a CP16 converted to Super 16. The later CP camera - the GSMO, I have seen converted to Super 16. I would think that any medium duty tripod would work - maybe an older Vision 10 head from Vinten. You can usually find the weight capacity of the tripod head somewhere on-line.
Great video! Great job explaining! I own a 16ST from the Swedish TV Company and when I found out that there was one very knowledgeable professional at Studio Hamburg, I took it there.
Although looking slightly beaten, he said that the insides were perfect. I LOVE these cameras!
More please...
Thanks very much!
This is exactly what I was looking for! I would love to see more tear downs of 16 and 35mm cameras. It can be pretty intimidating to get into these old cameras, but videos like this REALLY help. Information about this stuff can be scarce so this video is a gold mine of information.
Thanks very much! These cameras have generated a lot of new interest, and there isn't much out there. I've accumulated a lot of tidbits through the years and wanted to share them. I'm not a repair tech, but I've done a lot of my own work, and have spoken to many old-time service people as well as Arri techs.
I used this camera for a couple of weeks in about 1974. Excellent camera but a bit heavy!
Thanks for watching - these were really well-built!
these are great valuable Archive Videos....after 50 years maybe we need these guides to re run these amazing cameras...
That was a great watch!
Great camera! We used on on a feature film I directed in the 90's. Not one problem with it. It was even modified to have a video tap.
This is great!! I own a non working BL and I always wanted to retrofit it to digital. This is perfect.
I am simply in awe at the incredible crafmanship and engineering that went into the creation of these cameras. And i still wanna own one of these 16mm Arri cameras myself one day. Preferably the 16BL but i would be fine even with a regular 16 with big magazine and blimping it myself. I just cannot justify the costs yet....
wow this is really well done clean and to the point I shot on the SR2 but nothing like these BLs I love the Blimp such a wacky invention, Im going to prep a short film now and get a BL for me and my dp.. wish me luck!
Thanks for sharing your know-how and this fabulous restoration. My favourite childhood TV show was shot on this exact model camera in the late 1970s, ( running at 25 fps ) and I have learnt so much from your informative video. Many thanks again. I am very tempted to buy and experiment with a 16BL after watching this!!
Thanks for watching!
I'm really grateful for the visual resource you provide with this video. I wonder if you can advise during the reassembly process: what is the correct way to get the two bottom bumpers seated before tightening the side screws? I have a bevy of spacer washers that fell out during disassembly and I'm not sure how to determine how many go on each bumper. I also noticed there is some lateral play in the recessed space where the bumpers tighten up on the bottom - is the idea to get them as centered as possible in that space?
I plan on getting a Canon 814XL-S converted to crystal sync 24 fps. It’s probably my best option outside of getting broke buying one of these with a crystal motor.
If you go with 16mm, you could get an Eclair camera - the NPR and ACL may be more affordable and are usually equipped with crystal motors. I actually shot a film years ago with the Canon 814XL-S when Kodak still made sound film. It was a good cheap alternative and the magnetic stripe was an easy way to get sync sound without crystal. The 814 is a good camera, but it's pretty loud indoors - the Eclair cameras, if working properly, are quieter. When I used the 814, I constructed a homemade blimp which helped a little. On the plus side, Super 8 is a lot cheaper than 16mm.
Wonderful restoration John. The 16 BL was my fist film camera that I bought from the Swiss national TV company almost 30 years ago. Your beautifully shot video brought back some fond memories ♥
Thanks for watching! I used to shoot 16 with an Eclair ACL, and 35 with an Arri 2C. I'm no master technician, but I still learned a lot about many cameras.
Is yours working now?
Great presentation! I still saw these cameras in action for news gathering at the tv station back in the early 1980s, short before 3/4 inch U-Matic hi band video took over. I read in online forums that the Arriflex 16BL can be converted to Ultra 16, which has a native 1.85:1 aspect ratio.
Thanks for watching! Yes, this camera can be converted to Ultra 16. I have not seen a lot of feedback on this, so I don't know if there's any issues. I just got a 16M that needs some work, so I'll probably do a video on that camera. BTW, when TV stations used the 16BL they usually installed a single-system magnetic sound recorder system inside the camera - there's a couple of threaded holes that secured it. I forgot to mention this in the video. It's pretty useless now as I don't think you can get magnetic-striped film anywhere.
@@FreshGroundPictures Thanks for sharing this information. I remember very well the days of film in my native Germany at the Frankfurt TV Station. They didn't use any in-camera sound recording. This apparently was much more in use in the US, both optical and magnetic sound. They used separate tape recorders, receiving the pilot signal from the camera (as you stated) and later the cameras got crystal sync motors. The sound was then transferred onto 16mm magnetic film to be edited together with the film on a Steenbeck flatbed editor.
I bought a an Arri 16BL over 20 years ago for a documentary which fell through in the end.Then digital appeared and the BL was pushed aside until 2 months ago when I took it out to shoot a sequence using 10 + year old stock. The results were fantastic, rock steady and pin sharp. My only issue was the weight of this beast to hand hold. Since then I have been looking at the possibility of converting to Ultra 16 as I love the wide image and if it's not going to break the bank then I think it might be an option. I've only come upon one place so far that seems to do the Ultra conversions, which is BolexSuper16. Any further thoughts on this would be greatly welcome.
@@FreshGroundPictures I bought a an Arri 16BL over 20 years ago for a documentary which fell through in the end.Then digital appeared and the BL was pushed aside until 2 months ago when I took it out to shoot a sequence using 10 + year old stock. The results were fantastic, rock steady and pin sharp. My only issue was the weight of this beast to hand hold. Since then I have been looking at the possibility of converting to Ultra 16 as I love the wide image and if it's not going to break the bank then I think it might be an option. I've only come upon one place so far that seems to do the Ultra conversions, which is BolexSuper16. Any further thoughts on this would be greatly welcome.
@@johnodonnell955 Hello. I'm not aware of anyone else doing Ultra 16 at this point - I know Bernie O'doherty was a big fan, but he's passed away. Here's the thing though, Ultra 16 expands the frame between the sprocket holes on one side of the film, and the same amount into the soundtrack area of the other side. Since it's centered on the existing 4:3 frame, there's a lot less camera modification required. Even so, the image area gained is still not as much as Super 16. The big drawback however, is the sprocket-side image. That area is contacted by lots of rollers, guides and sprockets in the camera - potentially leading to scratches. Likewise, rollers on the other side still contact that area when the film passes through - Super 16 cameras generally cut back the rollers, or use highly polished surfaces to minimize scratching. Another problem with Ultra 16 is the lab - unless the laboratory has specially modified the way it handles the film, again the sprockets could scratch that extra area. I believe some people have used it and are satisfied with the results. Personally, I'd just crop in the 4:3 area to 16:9 - it allows you some reframing, and the results are not bad. Of course, Super 16 gains you a bit, but that gain could easily be lost through poor optics, bad camera registration or operator handling and focus errors. I hope this was helpful...
Well done
I was send here for the funky turn-knobs 😁
Thanks for watching!
Yeah this thing doesn't need to be Super16 capable. There are plenty of Super16 cameras available. I don't get why every 16mm camera has to be converted anyway. I would also not want to convert a Super8 camera to Pro8 either. When you shoot 16mm and get it properly scanned at at least 4K, there's plenty of headroom to either crop it or just leave it as it is. Especially when shooting on Vision3 50D nobody would really tell a difference if it's cropped or not if the DoP frames properly. Or just use an anamorphic lens, if there is one that also fits the lens blimps. I wonder how much light loss you had with the big glass screen of the lens blimp?
It's important to use the Arri glass filter in the blimp - it's about 1/4" thick and it has some anti-reflection coating on it. It's perfectly clear and has no noticeable effect on exposure. They also made an 85 filter as well - harder to find though.
@@FreshGroundPictures Really hard to find such filters? Because I have so many of them, and other "rare" accessories too.
Fantastic video, thanks so much for documenting your process! I’ve just got my hands on one of these, hoping to use it on a short film. The camera had been gathering dust in an attic for years! So far it’s not working so was wondering if you’d have any ideas. When I press go, the red light flashes once, and I hear a click that sounds like a relay switching back off. Nothing else happens. I’ve tried inching it along a bit, and removing the motor (it’s the older, non-crystal-sync version) and nothing looks obviously wrong. Any leads would be hugely appreciated!
I assume you inched the camera manually and the shutter and movement rotates normally - there's nothing binding it. There is one thing you can try - unscrew the electronics panel on the back and carefully pull it out - its just a couple push-in connectors. You can try cleaning and reseating. Also, make sure the 12 volt battery you're using has enough amperage - at least 3amps. The final thing, and the worst-case scenario is a dead motor. Arri made a lot of motors with carbon brushes that were spring loaded. Over time, the brush or brushes get stuck not touching the motor shaft. I've never taken apart a 16BL motor, but I've done a couple others - it's tricky and sometimes the brush breaks and you're totally screwed because they don't make them anymore. Not sure what else to tell you, unless you can find a cheap replacement motor on ebay.
@@FreshGroundPictures Thanks so much for getting back to me! All good ideas and I tried them out today - sadly no luck. I didn’t take the motor apart, but could see and nudge the brushes from outside and they seemed to be contacting fine. Nothing looked suspicious anywhere so I’m pretty stuck! Do you know if there’s a service manual available somewhere?
Been waiting a decade for a video that shows a 16BL teardown 😀 I've had mine for 25 years or so, but haven't use it in a 10 or so years. Mine has a crystal sync motor with a separate variable speed setting. Sometimes when overcranking, the registration pin will jam on the film. I've been wanting to clean and lubricate everything to see if that would fix it... but also wondering if there is some kind of adjustment for it? Are you just cleaning the gears in place and then re lubricating?
I'm just cleaning and lubricating without taking apart the actual mechanism. It's amazing how much dirt and film chips can accumulate over the years. I don't know for sure why the mechanism would jam, but a likely cause is that the tension on the magazine reels is not correct, so the film feeding out or taking up at high speeds causes a slip. If you can find one, Arri made a little tension gauge device for checking that. Adjusting the magazine tension is pretty easy though - there's a double-holed disc on each spindle that is rotated, however you'd need the tension gauge to know where to set it. If you have some old test film, you can try high-speed filming on different mags to see if that causes the problem.
@@FreshGroundPictures Just re-found your video and saw that you had replied. Thank you! I didn't know about the tension settings on the magazine.
Was the 16BL used much for on-location news gathering before the electronic portable cameras (ENG) came out in the mid to late 70s?
There was an optional sound-on-film magnetic sound recording module for pre-striped film. It seems like the 16BL was used more for documentary work, as it was very rugged and reliable, but heavy. A lot of local news stations used the Cinema Products CP cameras, again with magnetic sound on film. I started working in broadcasting slightly after this era - I used an RCA TK76 tube camera and a 3/4" U-matic portable deck.
@@FreshGroundPicturesI have an RCA TK-76C. It needs a power supply re-cap, but it's a very famous ENG camera, used mostly by NBC News back then. I also have a Sony BVU-110 U-matic deck too. Other cameras I have include a Sony Betacam BVV-1A/BVP-3A camera (which works fine) and an Ikegami HL-79E which I'm fixing up right now.
hello! I am a film student in Uruguay, and we are about to shoot with the ARRIFLEX 16 BL. We are having problems with the camera, before it gave us 25fps, but currently it is giving us 50fps, the change happened after there was a shoot and a film in poor condition was used, which strained the motor. Do you know how we can solve this problem? thank you so much!
Awesome video! I do have a question about power supply and the motor. I have a BL that im trying to get working, I can get the Crystal Sync light to turn on and i hear an electrical buzz but nothing moves in the camera. Would this be a burnt motor?
It could be a lot of things. Sometimes the motor brushes develop a "dead" spot and don't turn - you could try turning on the power and manually inching to see if it starts. That at least will diagnose that problem, but the motor would still need to be fixed. There were several different motors made for the 16BL - some crystal, some not. It would be helpful to understand the electronics and motor installed in your camera. Unfortunately it could be anything from a simple wire connection to stuck motor brushes or another electronic problem.
Thank you. I'll try to test some stuff out. I also don't know how to get the bottom stoppers (the ones connected to the rubber bumpers) out. I undid all the screws but I'm not sure how they pop out.
How does this camera record sound onto the film?
Excellent review. Is it any wonder I still have mine today. Could you help me? I have an angenieux 12-120 F2.0 that just needs a rebuild and TLC. I simply cannot find anyone, or any resource, that will rebuild my lens. I want to use it on an Ari 16M. The lens is as popular now as it always was then, but I cannot find a person or shop who will touch it. Would you have any recommendations or suggestions? Your help is valuable. Thank you.
The only place I can think of that might service it is Duall in the New York area. They have a good web site: DuallCamera.com
Is anyone selling the battery and bellows matte box? Im purchasing this camera but it comes without those two setups and its depressing me
Hi John, you wouldn't happen to know how to update the 9 pin power connector to a 4 pin would you?
I have not done it, but it's certainly possible. The standard original 12 volt cable had the unique 9 pin on one end, and a 4 pin XLR power plug on the other. Offhand, I don't know which pins on the 9 pin connector carry the positive and negative twelve volts, but I do have it somewhere. Besides the actual power voltage, I think the other pins were related to sync, pilotone and bloop which are no longer relevant. I currently own a 16BL with the BLEQ motor which has a 4 pin XLR built in, so I don't have an immediate reference. As a side note, I was going to change the connector on my old camera when I couldn't find a proper cable, but I ended up finding one - in fact I just saw a 9 pin to 4 pin XLR cable on eBay the other day.
@@FreshGroundPictures Ok that is good to know! I did unscrew the connector and saw a whole slew of wires so I just put it back. But that makes sense that it would power all the other features the camera doesn't necessarily need anymore. Thanks for the help!
@@tr.richards5096 Just FYI, before I got the proper power cable, I just found the positive and negative pins in the connector, applied 12 volts power, and the camera ran fine. Essentially, that's all the 4 Pin XLR connector does.
What was the black paint you used?
It's VHT Crinkle Finish Black. I used a heat gun for the final dry after 3 coats per the instructions. The key is a heavy coat built up without dripping. A heat gun used for a couple minutes after the 3rd coat really brings out the finish - air-drying doesn't seem to work as well. Thanks!
@@FreshGroundPictures Do you remember if this is the GSP201 variant, or the more widely available SP201 version that can be found at AutoZone?
@@sonvapritch It was the standard SP201 version.
5:26 What’s the tool you’re using to reinstall the rubber bumpers? I’m having a hard time removing mine. I don’t want to force it, any advice?
It's a pin spanner wrench. It comes with multiple size pins that you can switch out. Many times, these bumpers are hard to turn at first (especially if they have not been removed for decades) - try dripping some alcohol on and around them. Alcohol will help loosen them up if corroded, but will evaporate and not leave a film. Do it a couple times, and try moving them when still wet.
@@FreshGroundPictures Thank you so much! And thank you for your videos, I just completed a refinish on my BL (the original finish was flaking heavily) and your video here was a great resource.
Thanks - I'm glad it worked out!
Does anybody have the schematics of the 9 pin amphenol power plug? i'm trying to run mine using a 12 volt battery. Need to change the connector to xlr on the crystal control (Georg Jensen electronics)?
😊 I have an old 16 BL camera that’s body needs to be repainted. Do you know of anyone who has any experience with this and could advise me on how to do this?
Amazing. Do any modern film conema cameras use electronic shutters?
I wonder if using cnc and 3d printing tech, is a new motion film camera could be made at reasonable cost?
I have one that powers on but the motor doesn't run, unfortunately. Idk what to do with it.
It could be something simple like a connection problem, or it could be the brushes in the motor. If the camera sits for a while, sometimes the brush or brushes get dirty and stuck and don't actually touch the motor shaft. You could try powering on and quickly give the inching knob a twirl. If the motor kicks in, it's a dead spot caused by the brush. If it doesn't start at all, it could still be stuck brush or other problems. Unfortunately, the only way to fix a brush problem is to tear down the motor or replace it. Duall in New York might be able to help.
@@FreshGroundPictures Oh nice, I'll check them out. I'm from NY so that helps. Thanks!
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How could a mag get rusted inside?
There are lots of small parts made from steel. My guess is that it's years in a damp basement, humid garage or an open boat for some reason.
You'd be surprised... i once saw an Arri 16 with big magazine on a flea market, completely rusted and corroded and the one trying to sell it wanted over 400 bucks for it. I was like "you kidding me?". That thing looked like it was stored in a crate that was found in a ship wreck.....or stored in someone's very very wet basement.
@@KRAFTWERK2K6 I once bought such a 16 ST camera in the net and was shocked about the horrible condition. Nothing worked, everything was moist, stiff and immovable. I looked for the water tap to drain the water. The whole equipment real rubbish. I was so annoyed and wanted to trash it straight away. But then I started a restoration. And after 2 weeks of "hard" work the camera funcionated flawlessly.
Just curious if you know anything about the cp16? I recently got one over the summer and a film student. Was curious if you knew any information on if it could be converted to super16. I also am cut about a tripod. I have no idea what kind of tripod to get or if I can just use a new one that can support the weight. New to all of this 16mm so anything helps.
I'm not too familiar with the Cinema Products cameras - one of the few I've not owned. They have a good reputation as they were used extensively for TV and documentary footage in the 1970s, and many had internal magnetic-stripe sound recorders. I honestly have never seen a CP16 converted to Super 16. The later CP camera - the GSMO, I have seen converted to Super 16. I would think that any medium duty tripod would work - maybe an older Vision 10 head from Vinten. You can usually find the weight capacity of the tripod head somewhere on-line.
@@FreshGroundPictures thank you.
there is no microfone on these old camera cinematoghraphy