I've been a co angler for 50 year plus I always tell the boater there is no pressure and there is no pressure on me. And I learn from every boater that I fish with my goal is to fish as pro side and fish for a championship .thank you for your time and talant. May God bless you
Been going back thru and watching a bunch of your older videos, and I find myself catching something I missed from the 1st time I watched them. Probably because I listen to them on a drive to my next BFL. I am on year 3 of fishing the BFLS as a co-angler and have fished an open and a Toyota as a co-angler also. For me the only thing that frustrates me is having a boater who believes I am there to learn/ get a guide trip. My goal in every tournament is to win or cash a check. But I always go into with goals. 1st goal is to get bit. 2nd is get 1 in the boat for points. Everything after that is bonus. I have had days where bites are hard and have had a good 3 lbs fish come off at the boat and like you I move on to the next one. And like you I have seen guys have a blowout and they are done for the day.
I'm doing it, I've been procrastinating for 10 years and I'm 37 now. I'm diving in the co angler for a few tournaments to get the feel then going boater.
As a full time co-angler, it is tough to adjust to each boater. As a veteran, I was told a long time ago to adapt and overcome. I use this mentality for my tournaments. I really enjoy the boaters POV on this subject. Thanks for another great video. Great information!!
Been a Co Angler now for two years. My goal is to make the Regionals. Top 45 in points ! Cashing a check is a bonus but meeting great anglers and learning from them as well! #RippinLipsInc
Im a long time co-angler and very much enjoy it. I tell every boater I draw the same thing. Don’t worry about guarding your water cause I treat it all as your water till you get done with it. In other words I don’t really use the center of the boat as the line. What if the boater is culling or retying and the wind blows the boat around to where the juice is at the back of the boat. No way am I going to take that cast even though its on my end of the boat. I just tell them let me know what it is and I will stay out of it. Many times I have had boaters go backwards so I can have fresh water or even back in docks or let me have first cast. I have made so many friends and cashed several checks doing it. I learn something new each time. All American bound! Good luck yall!
You said it there towards the end… I didn’t have any expectations going into the day. I needed an idea of the type of fishing HE was going to be doing so I could think of other techniques that would get bit in the same situations. The only time I would fish the same way as my boater was if it was a flipping deal but even then I flipped a different style of bait, heavier or lighter, different targets etc.
Great perspective and info Todd! As a co-angler it is best to go with the flow and not get rattled. One thing that helps me is that I remember the times I have caught fish in the last minute of a tournament! For the record your Dirty Jigs buzzbait is awesome 👍
Good stuff! I think this series is great. When I fished tournaments we didn't have co anglers, we had draws where you would have to flip to see whose boat you were taking. If I ended up in the back I still fished as hard as I could and wanted my 4 hours on the front. Whish was something I didn't like to do (after all this was somebody else's boat) But I paid the same fee and I was in the same standings through out the year. I am looking to get back in so I wanted to fish a year in the co angler seat. It is great to have an idea what to expect.
Great video Todd! I've competitively fished for many years in a partner format up north, here in Ontario, Canada. I've only fished the amateur side 3 times but have been extremely rewarded each time as I watched, listened and grew tenfold as an angler. I've pretty much out fished my boaters! I fully agree that the co-angler or amateur needs to have an open mind going into any event and on any given day. Today, I could very well be the boater on any given day, and in any circuit - minus the perfect bassboat, top gear and my 3 young bambinos... 😉 Regardless, I would have no problem and would feel blessed to be your co-angler. We would get it!! Thanks for the honest content and priceless viewpoints from both sides. Honest, professional and bang on point. 👍 Respectfully, Kim Ontario, Canada
Great points. Ive been on both sides of the coin. Co and boater side. The guys that are trying to out fish you versus the guy that you dont even know is back there. Makes the day totally different.
As a co angler that threw a fluke all dang day who finished the top 50 and my boater finished top 2 I’ll say this. My shoulder hurt so dang bad, learned to keep Advil in my bag. But I still did mid out of 150 boats. My first big tournament. Second I 0 but it’s okay I learned a lot from him on what not to do.
Totally agree with you about the challenge to get along with your guy as a co-angler. I've had them invite me to the front and have had them intentionally try to cut me off totally from casting to any productive water even though I paid my entry fee too. It takes all kinds.
Yep but that’s part of it, bed fishing is bed fishing. Hard to knock a guy going after a fish he knows is there compared to sitting out there deep for 5 hours possibly not around a single fish.
You also have to adjust to the speed of the boater, I see a lot up front tossing a swim Jig or crank and the guy in the back is trying to wacky rig or flip a dock.. so if the guy in the front is moving with say a swim jig, get out a spinnerbait or lipless bait or something that also moves fast. When the boater slows down you pick up a slow rod as well.. drop shot, worm, c rig, jig n pig, stick bait.
Awesome topic and content. Hope as many pros and boaters watch this as co-anglers. Question; say you aren’t catching em for whatever reason, would you ever ask the co-angler for suggestions or if he has a spot to try? Keep the good videos coming and pray the water goes down soon!
I bet I can answer that for Todd… Anytime a coangler tries to fish like the boater or the boater tries to fish like the co it NEVER EVER works out. Front of the boat or the back, you have to do your own thing.
I've caught more fish when co-angling by pitching, dragging some type of plastic behind the boater. It's rare that you catch fish, fishing the way the boater does.
As a co angler I don’t usually do something totally different than my boater. I usually just throw something that’s a little different. For example if my boat is flipping laydowns. I’ll still flip lay downs just with a little different setup. I’ll usually use a smaller profile bait with lighter weight. And most of the time I out fish my boater doing that. I also watch him very close and I hit spots he hasn’t. I had a tournament this past weekend my boater was throwing a buzz bait. So I threw a little pop r on a spinning rod and did better than my boater. I also wouldn’t like drawing a boater like you. I prefer guys that aren’t that good. Guys that are really good don’t leave many fish behind.
Have you ever learned something from a co-angler? Whether it be a technique , a lure that you hadnt thought about using on a that body of water, etc.. Would love to hear if ou have experienced that. Love your channel. Great content.
The unwritten rule is to never cast forward or past the console. If the boater is fishing fast or moving water (casting into the current), I will cast forward, somewhere past the front of the boat and ask him if he is fine with where I am casting. (In case I hang up, he doesn't have to go backwards to retrieve my lure).
Good stuff again!! I don’t like the co angling stuff just because I’d rather be the boater but figured I’d give it hell this year but will change to boater for the super in September. I will I say I try my damnedest to go in with a “don’t care what they are doing” attitude but I also ask the night before what kind of areas are gonna be in although I literally take all my tackle from my boat with me when I co angle because 1 I don’t know what we are gonna be doing and 2 if he’s flipping a Texas rigged senko in 30 feet I wanna be running something different. I tried throwing the same thing as my boater on rayburn this year, it didn’t work in my favor I didn’t get a bite all day so I swapped up the next day and caught 2 littles but at least I caught something🤷♂️🤷♂️ boater on second only caught 4-5 and weighed in 3 so I didn’t feel too bad.
Todd, which do you prefer, team tournament knowing your partner and his fishing skills or fishing a draw tourney with someone you do not know but you control the boat and make all your own decisions?
Oh no I love team events more for sure. They are way more fun and I still have control but my partners are awesome and it makes the day way more enjoyable. We both decide what we want to do and we agree 99.9 % of the time. When you win or catch a big one you have a real friend in the boat to enjoy the moment.
@@toddcastledinefishing5924 I actually have him on my friend list and forgot. It was from where he was on another video, maybe yours idk, in the past. I look forward to hearing how he done it as a co again.
One of the best ones for the casting is when the boater has the front pointed at the bank and the back is out in the deep water with no good castablelity
I don’t believe being a good boater is about helping them catch fish or not helping them. I think being polite and giving them an opportunity is more important. Sure you can help them out but there are times when all the help in the world won’t catch them a fish. I’ll go over this later.
Done with co-angling, every tournament was like a lottery, am I getting good or bad attitude boater. Look the results of those tournaments - Opens, FLW - majority of co-anglers do not catch a limit,a lot of them zero or catch just one fish, though they fish with boaters who practiced several days and they are on the fish. Most boaters don't want you to catch a fish, because they think they could catch it later. Unless you have common friends in that pro circle, in thatcasde they treat you way better.
You think it is ok to ask your boater what style of fishing they are doing? like you said be up on the bank leaving a dust cloud so you know what to expect? I wish more boaters are like you are not out to make your co anglers have bad days.
The future of co-angler competition is coming to a end. That’s why you see them being phased out of the high end tournaments and the many reasons you are bringing up in your videos why it’s not fair for them to invest their hard earned money to be in a boat for 8+ hours with a real jerk. The best way for a co-angler to get better is team tournaments with a good friend.
In all of the events I fished as a co I can say I only had 1 guy that was a jerk but I’ve drawn a dozen that most co’s would consider jerks. Coangling is a completely different mind set. That boater owes you absolutely nothing except a little bit of respect.
With boat prices only going up Co-anglers will not go away. There’s Co-angling opportunities from the opens/ Toyota series all the way down to your local Bass club. I agreed with removing them from the Elites and former FLW tours because at that level it’s your income and for every 3lber that the co catches that could be the difference in getting paid or not.
Co anglers will phase out because of the technology, cameras will replace marshals. And it's very sad when co's pay $600 entry fees and don't get a shot to catch a fish, because of bad attitude boaters. Look Open tournament result - majority of co's can't catch even a limit...
I doubt they will go away anytime soon they are a big factor in the industry. Technology will always be a struggle for the majority of fishermen and there are limitations with them . They are phased out at the pro level but they should be at the very top.
I've been a co angler for 50 year plus I always tell the boater there is no pressure and there is no pressure on me. And I learn from every boater that I fish with my goal is to fish as pro side and fish for a championship .thank you for your time and talant. May God bless you
Well said!
Been going back thru and watching a bunch of your older videos, and I find myself catching something I missed from the 1st time I watched them. Probably because I listen to them on a drive to my next BFL. I am on year 3 of fishing the BFLS as a co-angler and have fished an open and a Toyota as a co-angler also. For me the only thing that frustrates me is having a boater who believes I am there to learn/ get a guide trip. My goal in every tournament is to win or cash a check. But I always go into with goals. 1st goal is to get bit. 2nd is get 1 in the boat for points. Everything after that is bonus. I have had days where bites are hard and have had a good 3 lbs fish come off at the boat and like you I move on to the next one. And like you I have seen guys have a blowout and they are done for the day.
I'm doing it, I've been procrastinating for 10 years and I'm 37 now. I'm diving in the co angler for a few tournaments to get the feel then going boater.
Do it man! I waited 10 years too long and now I'm 50.
@@maxescamilla4597 that's what I don't want to happen, no offense
As a full time co-angler, it is tough to adjust to each boater. As a veteran, I was told a long time ago to adapt and overcome. I use this mentality for my tournaments. I really enjoy the boaters POV on this subject. Thanks for another great video. Great information!!
You bet
Been a Co Angler now for two years. My goal is to make the Regionals. Top 45 in points ! Cashing a check is a bonus but meeting great anglers and learning from them as well! #RippinLipsInc
Good luck
Im a long time co-angler and very much enjoy it. I tell every boater I draw the same thing. Don’t worry about guarding your water cause I treat it all as your water till you get done with it. In other words I don’t really use the center of the boat as the line. What if the boater is culling or retying and the wind blows the boat around to where the juice is at the back of the boat. No way am I going to take that cast even though its on my end of the boat. I just tell them let me know what it is and I will stay out of it. Many times I have had boaters go backwards so I can have fresh water or even back in docks or let me have first cast. I have made so many friends and cashed several checks doing it. I learn something new each time. All American bound! Good luck yall!
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You said it there towards the end… I didn’t have any expectations going into the day. I needed an idea of the type of fishing HE was going to be doing so I could think of other techniques that would get bit in the same situations. The only time I would fish the same way as my boater was if it was a flipping deal but even then I flipped a different style of bait, heavier or lighter, different targets etc.
That’s the right idea in my opinion
Great perspective and info Todd! As a co-angler it is best to go with the flow and not get rattled. One thing that helps me is that I remember the times I have caught fish in the last minute of a tournament! For the record your Dirty Jigs buzzbait is awesome 👍
Thanks man
Good stuff! I think this series is great. When I fished tournaments we didn't have co anglers, we had draws where you would have to flip to see whose boat you were taking. If I ended up in the back I still fished as hard as I could and wanted my 4 hours on the front. Whish was something I didn't like to do (after all this was somebody else's boat) But I paid the same fee and I was in the same standings through out the year. I am looking to get back in so I wanted to fish a year in the co angler seat. It is great to have an idea what to expect.
Great video Todd!
I've competitively fished for many years in a partner format up north, here in Ontario, Canada. I've only fished the amateur side 3 times but have been extremely rewarded each time as I watched, listened and grew tenfold as an angler. I've pretty much out fished my boaters!
I fully agree that the co-angler or amateur needs to have an open mind going into any event and on any given day. Today, I could very well be the boater on any given day, and in any circuit - minus the perfect bassboat, top gear and my 3 young bambinos... 😉 Regardless, I would have no problem and would feel blessed to be your co-angler. We would get it!!
Thanks for the honest content and priceless viewpoints from both sides.
Honest, professional and bang on point. 👍
Respectfully,
Kim
Ontario, Canada
👍👍👍 thank you I hope people can listen to these series as a whole and not just try and single out one statement and judge it from there.
I love this series. Your answering a lot of questions I’ve got. Thanks!
You bet
Great content, I'm looking to get into tourney's, and all the advice is helpful. Thank you
You bet
Love the co angler series!!!
Thank you
Great points. Ive been on both sides of the coin. Co and boater side. The guys that are trying to out fish you versus the guy that you dont even know is back there. Makes the day totally different.
Yes it does
Tomorrow it my first tournament and my first tournament as a “co angler” the vids are really helping!
Todd, This is an excellent video! I saw you on Low Budget Live and decided to check out your channel. I'm going to subscribe.
Thanks bud
As a co angler that threw a fluke all dang day who finished the top 50 and my boater finished top 2 I’ll say this. My shoulder hurt so dang bad, learned to keep Advil in my bag. But I still did mid out of 150 boats. My first big tournament. Second I 0 but it’s okay I learned a lot from him on what not to do.
Great food for thought Todd!
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Well said brother. Thank you!
You bet
Totally agree with you about the challenge to get along with your guy as a co-angler. I've had them invite me to the front and have had them intentionally try to cut me off totally from casting to any productive water even though I paid my entry fee too. It takes all kinds.
How do you mean cut you off?
@@toddcastledinefishing5924 one example is pulling into a 6' wide pocket with only the 6' left behind the boat. He was trying for a bed fish.
Yep but that’s part of it, bed fishing is bed fishing. Hard to knock a guy going after a fish he knows is there compared to sitting out there deep for 5 hours possibly not around a single fish.
Great advice! thank you!
You also have to adjust to the speed of the boater, I see a lot up front tossing a swim Jig or crank and the guy in the back is trying to wacky rig or flip a dock.. so if the guy in the front is moving with say a swim jig, get out a spinnerbait or lipless bait or something that also moves fast. When the boater slows down you pick up a slow rod as well.. drop shot, worm, c rig, jig n pig, stick bait.
Good advice
Awesome topic and content. Hope as many pros and boaters watch this as co-anglers. Question; say you aren’t catching em for whatever reason, would you ever ask the co-angler for suggestions or if he has a spot to try? Keep the good videos coming and pray the water goes down soon!
I bet I can answer that for Todd… Anytime a coangler tries to fish like the boater or the boater tries to fish like the co it NEVER EVER works out. Front of the boat or the back, you have to do your own thing.
I've caught more fish when co-angling by pitching, dragging some type of plastic behind the boater. It's rare that you catch fish, fishing the way the boater does.
Great video
Great video! Thank you!
You bet
Man, I hope I draw you this week at Rayburn!
As a co angler I don’t usually do something totally different than my boater. I usually just throw something that’s a little different. For example if my boat is flipping laydowns. I’ll still flip lay downs just with a little different setup. I’ll usually use a smaller profile bait with lighter weight. And most of the time I out fish my boater doing that. I also watch him very close and I hit spots he hasn’t. I had a tournament this past weekend my boater was throwing a buzz bait. So I threw a little pop r on a spinning rod and did better than my boater. I also wouldn’t like drawing a boater like you. I prefer guys that aren’t that good. Guys that are really good don’t leave many fish behind.
I already made episode 4 wait till you see what I said. It’s like you read my mind. You’ll catch it I promise
Have you ever learned something from a co-angler? Whether it be a technique , a lure that you hadnt thought about using on a that body of water, etc.. Would love to hear if ou have experienced that. Love your channel. Great content.
Not really
The unwritten rule is to never cast forward or past the console. If the boater is fishing fast or moving water (casting into the current), I will cast forward, somewhere past the front of the boat and ask him if he is fine with where I am casting. (In case I hang up, he doesn't have to go backwards to retrieve my lure).
My cousin has a old 16 foot challenger, not casting past console is hard as hell!! Lol😂😂😂
Good stuff again!! I don’t like the co angling stuff just because I’d rather be the boater but figured I’d give it hell this year but will change to boater for the super in September. I will I say I try my damnedest to go in with a “don’t care what they are doing” attitude but I also ask the night before what kind of areas are gonna be in although I literally take all my tackle from my boat with me when I co angle because 1 I don’t know what we are gonna be doing and 2 if he’s flipping a Texas rigged senko in 30 feet I wanna be running something different. I tried throwing the same thing as my boater on rayburn this year, it didn’t work in my favor I didn’t get a bite all day so I swapped up the next day and caught 2 littles but at least I caught something🤷♂️🤷♂️ boater on second only caught 4-5 and weighed in 3 so I didn’t feel too bad.
All of this I understand 👍
Todd I would love to fish with you and I can guarantee you it’ll be a competition. Just saying. Great video. 🤙
Thank you
Todd, which do you prefer, team tournament knowing your partner and his fishing skills or fishing a draw tourney with someone you do not know but you control the boat and make all your own decisions?
Most boaters like to make their own decisions.Most boaters prefer draw tournys to team events.
Oh no I love team events more for sure. They are way more fun and I still have control but my partners are awesome and it makes the day way more enjoyable. We both decide what we want to do and we agree 99.9 % of the time. When you win or catch a big one you have a real friend in the boat to enjoy the moment.
Please hit on if the boater is close to the shore casting parallel and is it OK for the co to cast on the opposite side towards the front
I will
Great video Todd! Does Stephen Metter have a channel? How to u spell his name?
No he doesn’t
Steven Meader
@@toddcastledinefishing5924 I actually have him on my friend list and forgot. It was from where he was on another video, maybe yours idk, in the past. I look forward to hearing how he done it as a co again.
Todd some of these boaters are rough and dangerous
One of the best ones for the casting is when the boater has the front pointed at the bank and the back is out in the deep water with no good castablelity
Then cast deep brother 🎣
Yea I will talk about this but he’s right cast deep cast to the side.
Have you ever taken advice from a co? If you have, was there a reason you did take his advice?
Most the time the boater doesn't listen. Not sure why they even ask
Video is coming out Wednesday
How would you consider to be a good boater and be able to help your co an not put them in a bad place
I don’t believe being a good boater is about helping them catch fish or not helping them. I think being polite and giving them an opportunity is more important. Sure you can help them out but there are times when all the help in the world won’t catch them a fish. I’ll go over this later.
I heard that one time Watson made his co-angler take his shirt off, put on sun tan oil, then called him Todd all day. Some Pro's are creepy.
LMAO!
He does do this and yes he's creepy. I've seen him put suntan lotion on dogs before too.
Done with co-angling, every tournament was like a lottery, am I getting good or bad attitude boater. Look the results of those tournaments - Opens, FLW - majority of co-anglers do not catch a limit,a lot of them zero or catch just one fish, though they fish with boaters who practiced several days and they are on the fish. Most boaters don't want you to catch a fish, because they think they could catch it later. Unless you have common friends in that pro circle, in thatcasde they treat you way better.
I get this as well
You think it is ok to ask your boater what style of fishing they are doing? like you said be up on the bank leaving a dust cloud so you know what to expect? I wish more boaters are like you are not out to make your co anglers have bad days.
Yes always ask
The future of co-angler competition is coming to a end. That’s why you see them being phased out of the high end tournaments and the many reasons you are bringing up in your videos why it’s not fair for them to invest their hard earned money to be in a boat for 8+ hours with a real jerk. The best way for a co-angler to get better is team tournaments with a good friend.
In all of the events I fished as a co I can say I only had 1 guy that was a jerk but I’ve drawn a dozen that most co’s would consider jerks. Coangling is a completely different mind set. That boater owes you absolutely nothing except a little bit of respect.
With boat prices only going up Co-anglers will not go away. There’s Co-angling opportunities from the opens/ Toyota series all the way down to your local Bass club. I agreed with removing them from the Elites and former FLW tours because at that level it’s your income and for every 3lber that the co catches that could be the difference in getting paid or not.
Unless all other tiers go to marshals you will always have Co's
Co anglers will phase out because of the technology, cameras will replace marshals. And it's very sad when co's pay $600 entry fees and don't get a shot to catch a fish, because of bad attitude boaters. Look Open tournament result - majority of co's can't catch even a limit...
I doubt they will go away anytime soon they are a big factor in the industry. Technology will always be a struggle for the majority of fishermen and there are limitations with them . They are phased out at the pro level but they should be at the very top.