Could not agree more with your analysis - in fact, I've done exactly what you suggested - ADS-B out via my Trig. Wonderful bit of kit, and everyone says that they see me just fine. Sure wish everyone had ADS-B out - it would solve all the EC issues we're discussing.
A really useful video thanks Ian. Our transmitter at The Park has a worse range to the north, I think due to the local trees and hill. I agree with the points you make about EC, particularly antenna positioning. I have been using PowerFlarm with ADSB-in for several years in a carbon fuselage and it’s impossible to get all round reception with an internal antenna. We all need more education like this to get closer to closer to full interoperability.
Very helpful information and takeaways on EC. head in cockpit tendancy is dangerous and the intermittent reception depending on antenna location a strange kind of amazing. Delighted to know the TN-72 is high on your list...because i bought it to install in Travel Air! Nice to be right once in a while! My theory was better for others to see me and i will remain vigilant as i have been in looking for other traffic and listening to appropriate Controllers and listening squawks, etc. Very good video. Thank you.
Excellent, thank you Ian. Liked you commenst re oral warnings. I have been flogging this for some time now. I have PilotAware Rosetta but am looking at purchasing a SkyEcho2 for our group owned aircraft.
Thanks Ian. I have a SkyEcho-2 and I completely agree about the audio. Without audio alert, it does not add safety to my cockpit. I am always better looking out than looking down at a Sky Demon screen. Suggestion for next video: Why not review the "TCAS" view option in Sky Demon ? I would be intetested in your comments,
very very good video. thank you so much..if I may ask, do you know why my SkyEcho 2 is only picking up ADSB from airliners..no smaller GA aircraft show up in Slovenia, Croatia?
Regards aural alerts, I connect my pilot aware to my iPad running SkyDemon via WiFi when flying. I’ve recently got a light speed Zulu 3 headset. If I plug the supplied 3.5mm audio cable from the iPad to the headset control box’s audio input socket I get both pilot aware and SkyDemon warnings. Recently I flew an Archer iii over the chilterns and got an alert saying there was an aircraft closing from behind and below . It turned out to be a climbing 182, which I would not have been aware of.
Thanks for the practical testing summary. I lost the will to live following the thread on the forum! It just seemed to descend into a playground flight between two gangs which was a shame as I think that it turned a lot of people off the whole idea, me included. Not having a mode S transponder in a permit aircraft, I like the idea of the ADSB-out provided by Sky Echo but I don't like the fact that I cannot permanently install it with an external antenna or get it to power up and down automatically on the master switch. I don't think that the solutions are quite there yet, I really don't like the thought of being distracted by traffic that comes and goes on the ipad due to poor antenna positioning.
Two questions: I have a Pilot Aware Rosetta which receives ADSB from other aircraft well and feeds info on them through to my headset via a jackplug (no Ipad screen for me!). Can the Sky Echo do the same? The Rosetta is effectively ADSB 'in' only, since the ADSB signal 'out' will only be received by other Pilot Aware users! For proper in/out signals from/to everyone it would seem that Sky Echo is a better bet - or am I wrong?
Sky Echo does not have a jackplug for sound out, so no (how come no tablet or phone?). Rosetta isn't ADS-B out at all, (unless it is wired to a Mode S-ES transponder that is), and you are correct that its P3i emission is only visible to other PAW users. Have a read (it's free) to the linked feature in the description for a full explanation. HTH
Could not agree more with your analysis - in fact, I've done exactly what you suggested - ADS-B out via my Trig. Wonderful bit of kit, and everyone says that they see me just fine. Sure wish everyone had ADS-B out - it would solve all the EC issues we're discussing.
A really useful video thanks Ian. Our transmitter at The Park has a worse range to the north, I think due to the local trees and hill. I agree with the points you make about EC, particularly antenna positioning. I have been using PowerFlarm with ADSB-in for several years in a carbon fuselage and it’s impossible to get all round reception with an internal antenna. We all need more education like this to get closer to closer to full interoperability.
Thanks for putting this together, it is a very interesting watch.
Very helpful information and takeaways on EC. head in cockpit tendancy is dangerous and the intermittent reception depending on antenna location a strange kind of amazing. Delighted to know the TN-72 is high on your list...because i bought it to install in Travel Air! Nice to be right once in a while! My theory was better for others to see me and i will remain vigilant as i have been in looking for other traffic and listening to appropriate Controllers and listening squawks, etc. Very good video. Thank you.
Excellent - many thanks for this. Our group is investigating all of the options so this is a great to get us started.
Great video, luckily I'm not in one camp or the other, so thoroughly enjoyable
Excellent, thank you Ian. Liked you commenst re oral warnings. I have been flogging this for some time now. I have PilotAware Rosetta but am looking at purchasing a SkyEcho2 for our group owned aircraft.
Really interesting video, and interesting to hear more about PAW as one who has always been on the full ADSB In/Out path.
Thanks for putting this together Ian. Looking forward to reading the full article.
Thanks Ian. I have a SkyEcho-2 and I completely agree about the audio. Without audio alert, it does not add safety to my cockpit. I am always better looking out than looking down at a Sky Demon screen. Suggestion for next video: Why not review the "TCAS" view option in Sky Demon ? I would be intetested in your comments,
Thanks for this Ian. Very interesting.
Love the ‘elephant in the room,
very very good video. thank you so much..if I may ask, do you know why my SkyEcho 2 is only picking up ADSB from airliners..no smaller GA aircraft show up in Slovenia, Croatia?
fantastic content, and nicely explained
Nice summary, Ian and team. I'm just starting on this journey and a non-geeky view is uber-helpful.
Regards aural alerts, I connect my pilot aware to my iPad running SkyDemon via WiFi when flying. I’ve recently got a light speed Zulu 3 headset. If I plug the supplied 3.5mm audio cable from the iPad to the headset control box’s audio input socket I get both pilot aware and SkyDemon warnings. Recently I flew an Archer iii over the chilterns and got an alert saying there was an aircraft closing from behind and below . It turned out to be a climbing 182, which I would not have been aware of.
Thanks for the practical testing summary. I lost the will to live following the thread on the forum! It just seemed to descend into a playground flight between two gangs which was a shame as I think that it turned a lot of people off the whole idea, me included.
Not having a mode S transponder in a permit aircraft, I like the idea of the ADSB-out provided by Sky Echo but I don't like the fact that I cannot permanently install it with an external antenna or get it to power up and down automatically on the master switch.
I don't think that the solutions are quite there yet, I really don't like the thought of being distracted by traffic that comes and goes on the ipad due to poor antenna positioning.
Two questions: I have a Pilot Aware Rosetta which receives ADSB from other aircraft well and feeds info on them through to my headset via a jackplug (no Ipad screen for me!). Can the Sky Echo do the same?
The Rosetta is effectively ADSB 'in' only, since the ADSB signal 'out' will only be received by other Pilot Aware users! For proper in/out signals from/to everyone it would seem that Sky Echo is a better bet - or am I wrong?
Sky Echo does not have a jackplug for sound out, so no (how come no tablet or phone?). Rosetta isn't ADS-B out at all, (unless it is wired to a Mode S-ES transponder that is), and you are correct that its P3i emission is only visible to other PAW users. Have a read (it's free) to the linked feature in the description for a full explanation. HTH