Avoiding aircraft - SAFESKY - The flying app for Electronic Conspicuity
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ก.ย. 2024
- The passion behind the development of this application is beyond words. Tristan Fily is the CEO of company SAFESKY who have designed a very user friendly application to allow all fliers to see other Electronic Conspicuity (EC) users. It takes existing technology, uses some very clever programming to create a flying community application to keep you safe in the sky.
The SAFESKY Team are not trying to replace other applications such as FOREFLIGHT or SKYDEMON, in fact they are working with them to help all fliers.
How does it work
The phone or tablet does not pick up the surrounding traffic, it is not a radar!
SafeSky is a mobile application that provides traffic information wherever you are. Thanks to the GPS chip in your mobile device, the SafeSky application sends your position to our servers, which is then transmitted in the same way, but in the opposite direction, to other users of the application. This way, you can share your location with the SafeSky community at any time.
www.safesky.ap...
My aircraft:
FlyLight PeaBee - SSDR www.flylight.c...
My PeaBee radio and communications set up is:
ICARO Solar X Helmet with MicroAvionics PM100 Bluetooth (Vlog modified by MicroAvionics)
www.microavion...
My Airband radio ( I have the appropriate Licence) is :
www.microavion... Yaesu FT450 FTA .
GPS
NAVITER OUDIE 5 PRO with FLARM
Electronic Conspicuity device
SkyEcho 2
Camera and Microphones:
Flight Briefing room
Video Camera 4K Camcorder ORDRO WiFi Ultra HD Vlog Camera and a ICE BLUE microphone
Flying cameras
GoPro 3+, GP6 and 7 with audio adaptor.
Flying Clothing:
FlyKandy Jacket and trousers
OZEE flying suit and 30seven gloves
Sealskin mittens
Editing software
Adobe Premier elements
Thanks Giles for sharing this. It was interesting to hear the technicalities of how it works and the result of low latency. I am already a user of SafeSky, I have it running next to my oudie in my paramotor flight deck, works well. The only thing I am disappointed with is the audio alerts, I wonder if the audio gain is too low in SafeSky as I can never hear the alerts in my micro-avionics headset even when my phone and headset volume is full volume. The audio aside the screen does catch my eye when it starts flashing black and white on the radar to grab my attention which is great.
You are the one person I know that would really appreciate the technical side of the interview.
@@GolfFoxtrot22 - yep, really good content! 😀
what would you advise as best conspicuity device for a paramotor and free flying pilot? Oudie, skyecho, xctracer etc etc..... ive got lost down this rabbit hole
Unfortunately there is no perfect solution, but I believe the Skyecho comes close. However if you are around a lot of free fliers, then FLARM might be a better option as long as you have a way of seeing or hearing the warnings.
@@GolfFoxtrot22 Thanks Giles . I will probably go for a skyecho on other peoples advice. Feels quite strange parting with 500 quid for something i have no idea what it actually does or if anyone else can see what its doing either!!!
I'd love to hear you do a talk on what you say on your aircraft radio before you fly. Slow your speech down and give us examples of the norm nomenclature before, during and while landing. This would be handy for us flyers. Keep up the good work.
Hello Ron, I will try and slow down, I used to include all the radio chatter in my earlier videos but I didn't want them to be too reputative. I'll add a bit more in the future videos.
Good info, thx. Downloaded and will share with fellow PM pilots.
Heads up - Lift your soft box 12 inches to avoid it reflecting in your left glasses lens
Hi Martin, thanks for the advice on the softbox, it's already on the ceiling, it's a very old Flight Briefing Room building. 😁 I'm glad the interview was helpful.
Sounds very impressive, Giles. Tristan was impressive himself! 👌
Hi Kevin, he has the brain the size of a planet, I'm sure the interview could be double the length it was.
Giles this was brilliant, what an application. Another great insight in to keeping us all safer in the air.
Hi Nat, I'm glad you enjoyed it. I'm sure we will have another natter soon.
I always enjoy them
Brilliant video ! Now.... time for someone to cross the channel in a Peabee.... That’s what we need.
I'd need a very big support boat.
Another great interview and a great app I downloaded it a while ago but have yet to use it in the air.
Hi Lee, you'll be using it soon I'm sure.
Brilliant Giles! I loaded the app about 2weeks ago I’ve not had chance to fly with it yet but it’s answered a lot of questions. Thanks😊
I'm glad it helped. It's why I try and interview them, to get the real details. We can only make informed decisions with information.
I am very proud of my father🤗
You can be. He is an humble but brillant man and so nice. Happy to know him.
I really enjoyed interviewing him.
Great interview Giles and Safesky looks awesome I'll deffo be giving it a go.
I've been surprised how many people have not heard of it. The interview was one way of helping.
'FAB STUFF ... already got the 'beta' ... not had chance to actually fly with it yet (it's on my spare/ 'other', more up to date android version phone) ... BUT will take it up next time ;-)
Hi Brian, are you going to Winglands at the end of the month?
@@GolfFoxtrot22 ... Hi Giles ... as yet undecided mate ... having a bit of work done on motorhome, so waiting to see how that goes (welding/ panels/ rusty bits etc)
Integrated with SkyDemon. Excellent, downloading it now
Hi Chris, glad it was a useful interview. Do you have a delivery day for your ADAM.
@@GolfFoxtrot22 It was interesting and I've tried it but not convinced I'll keep using it. I've got the SkyEcho and Oudie, so pretty well covered already but can see a user case for it for others. That said, the buddy system is quite interesting.
As for the Adam, currently set for end Nov but Ben did say it might be sooner. Still playing around with nppl on the GT450 so no rush
Oh wow, NPPL. So your going G Reg on the ADAM?
@@GolfFoxtrot22 That's the intention and Ben's invoice has "lettering" listed 😄 but part of me keeps thinking it might just be simpler to just stay Sub70 🤔😄
Excellent 👍
But only as good as the adoption.
Even during my training period I have had a couple of relatively close cases where this would have been great.
With Bluetooth for audio to helmets being more and more popular, the audio portion of this is great.
Cheers
Seeing and being seen is so kee to safe flying. Can you get this app in Canada Patrick?
@@GolfFoxtrot22
Already loaded on my Android phone - now comes the hard part -- getting others to use 👍
Really interesting video.👍 I’ve used it a couple of times and it works very well. Didn’t know about the “fellow pilots” feature, have sent a request to you.
Hi Nicholas, I'll have a look now.
Great to hear these innovators are collaborating to share information. The use of UDP over mobile network has convinced me safe sky bring something complementary to earn an install. With multiple potential sources for the same traffic, the privacy slant means lack of unique identifier could lead to duplicates? I'll need to test, but also presume SkyDemon currently can't process two concurrent GDL90 sources. I'd also be interested to know if they're exploring air-to-air but I presume power and lack of spare radio (assuming WiFi taken with local network to SkyEcho etc) make it unfeasible.
Hi Daniel, I'm no expert on any of these systems. I know that Safesky are looking to have 2 inputs in a later update, currently I keep getting pinged by my FLARM as my SE2 is linked, so it thinks I'm going to hit the FLARM aircraft, me. There is no perfect system but something is better than nothing. Have you tried contacting Skydemon or Safesky directly about your query?
I'm just getting up to speed on electronic conspicuity (thanks for all your great interviews on the topic) and trying to work out best route to take. Apologies, some of those questions were just me thinking out loud whilst watching the video :) I've already reached out to uavionix to see if SkyEcho can act as a WiFi client rather than a hotspot, then in theory could link tablet and conspicuity device to phone and still have internet uplink (which would help combine with SkySafe). I'm also going to reach out to SkyDemon to see if my ideas on how to combine multiple sources can increase coverage of the fragmented market. PilotAware looks great, but packaging of the device isn't great and I'd prefer to have direct receipt of flarm.
@@MrLister EC is such a complicated area with no perfect path. CAP1391 doesn't give any direction, just over arching direction. I'm glad the videos/interviews have helped if only a little.
@@MrLister Hi. I intended to try and get up to speed with electronic conspicuity but after only a short while im completely lost. I want to be seen by other aircraft ie all the navy helicopters that fly around here and the commercial planes flying to lands end airport. Im not so interested in seeing other mates as i dont have any, ha ha. I mostly fly on my own but realise how small i am in the sky so some kind of device putting out my location is what im after. Skyecho seems popular but not sure if its right for me. XC Tracer maybe as it does other stuff too. I believe one is Flarm and one ADS b .....Any input would be helpfull ... Cheers
Watching with great interest 👍😎
Bummer not available in my country 😔
Are you sure Doug, I thought it was. Humm
@@GolfFoxtrot22 see PM
Thanks Doug.
@@GolfFoxtrot22 let me know when it is available in my area please
Great interview Giles, I heard him mention it will be coming to the USA. Any idea when it will be coming to us on the other side of the pond?
Hi Greg, I've genuinely no idea. I can try and find out but you probably have as much luck as I do. Thanks for the comment and happy flying.
Sounds good. Another great video.
Thanks Algy, I just need to make mount for my phone now.
@@GolfFoxtrot22 I think EC is such a big subject now that I will stick to PA linked to SkyDemon for now. You are still setting up and so having gone through most if not all, can make the choice to suit you.
I agree with you. I've been so interested learn about what was out there, more from a self education standpoint. I went down the research path (the interviews were a nice addition), because I wanted to know more about it. Additionally if I was struggling to understand how it all worked, or integrated, I was sure there were others in the same boat.
I do like his implementation of the “radar view”, although PAW’s implementation is possibly a little easier to read as it is based on colour and shape. I don’t have to look at two different parts of a screen to determine if the aircraft is above, below, or at the same altitude. I simply glance at the “radar” and it gives me all of the information I need. However… When workload is high, I find myself wondering “is a circle or a diamond above, or below?”. However, all I really need to remember is that I can pretty much ignore it unless it is red. Again, although his implementation is nice, he’s re-inventing the wheel.
Thank you for your lengthy comments, this is clearly a passionate subject for you. I see the benefits if you don't have PAW, FLARM ete and the Application is free, how is that reinventing the wheel.
@@GolfFoxtrot22 - Being free doesn’t mean that it has a place. Let me see if I can form an analogy.
I create a free cellphone. However, it won’t call and cannot be called by any other phone out there UNLESS the other service providers decide to link up with my infrastructure…. and I make it so that it has caller-ID, but only displays the numbers of those people who are my friends and it will only work when both the originating and receiving phones are in line-of-sight of a street-lamp.
Free comms is great, right?
How is it a benefit to create yet another system that is going to draw people away from the standard system(s) giving them the false sense of security that they can see others and others can see them? All these different systems don’t see each other. If I want to implement that system on top of the ones I already have in order to be able to see people who have adopted it instead of one of the existing standards, it’s not going to be free. Not by a long shot. I will need to purchase and mount yet another device to my panel.
But the issue in the UK atm is there isn't a standard system. It's a miss match of Mode S and C, TCAS, And then FLARM, PAW and Skyecho etc. Please don't think I'm being difficult, just trying to show what is out there. Until the CAA give direction on what is needed, it will remain a very unrefined process.
@@GolfFoxtrot22 - I agree with you wholeheartedly that there are already numerous disparate systems out there. That is why creating yet another system is not the answer.
CAP1391 does define a standard and that’s ADS-B. A Mode S transponder and SkyEcho adhere (at least fairly closely to be workable) to that standard. PilotAware sees ADS-B as does TCAS. The fact that nothing sees PAW other than PAW is a huge drawback for that system, as far as I am concerned but they had a massive head-start and achieved a degree of market penetration which which means that if you choose only one system, PAW is probably one to consider (if seeing others is your priority). If being seen is your priority, then SkyEcho or a Mode S transponder would be the main choices. If you want to be see and be seen by the most traffic, then either PAW feeding a Mode S transponder or PAW plus SkyEcho is the way to go…. and even then, the adoption of other systems means that there will still be “equipped” traffic that is invisible or cannot see you. This system just makes that problem worse. It’s not adding value to the field of electronic conspicuity at this stage. It is muddying the water by creating another system that will neither see me nor be seen by me despite my aircraft already being equipped with PAW, SkyEcho II, and a transponder.
I do get that an attempt to create a system which is “free” is essentially a good idea and if there weren’t already so many other systems out there which don’t see each other, I’d be behind this guy all the way and a lot of his design-philosophy is sound. It’s just that he’s so late to the party, that he’s making an already bad problem, worse.
@@halfrhovsquared SafeSky sees PAW!
Looks pretty cool but unavailable yet in the US. We don't have nearly as strong of an ultralight community as the UK. I'm still looking for an adsb transponder that will communicate with ATC, and uses a tablet for control.
It's such a complicated area, I feel everytime I think I'm getting an understanding, more pops up and I start again. It's seems all around the world have a different standard, it must be a nightmare for commercial operators.
Thanks for the video Giles, I’m still not sure who can see what when using this app mind.
If I use FLARM the app can see me as long as I have contact with a FLARM base station?
Or if I’m just using FLARM can I see and get a warning from the FLARM device from someone using just the app?
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Hi Tango Advance, your FLARM device should talk to the other FLARM device outside of the App. The App just allows other users to know you are there and vice versa.
@@GolfFoxtrot22 I know that, but will a FLARM device see a SafeSky app?
No. It's not configured for receiving data from the Internet.
Hi Giles. Hope you had a good xmas... I have been trying to work out which conspicuity device to get... I fly a paramotor mostly and free fly sometimes. so far im at either a Skyecho or a XCtracer max although i did think about a Air3 7.3..... What do you think. Sky echo or Max? Cheers
Hi Sundown solutions, it's seems from all the options you need a system to see them. What flight apps do you use to see them?
@@GolfFoxtrot22 Hi, thanks for quick reply. I dont actually use anything at the moment. Its all new to me. I fly locally where i always know where i am so have not really needed anything. However I have been advised to fly with something that lets other pilots know i`m in the air. Recently while free flying with a few mates down here in cornwall a helicopter flew low across the beach up wind of us and this caused one of my mates to have a big collapse in the rotor and he crashed braking his back and lots of other stuff. (aparently they didnt know we were there at the well used BHPA site!) On the back of this i wanted to make other people aware that i am in the air. That along with the rebate scheme i thought i would get a device. Ive ended up down the rabbit hole, ha ha. I plan on doing some cross country paramotor flights this summer so it would be good to have a map to see on a screen. I have an android tablet(no sim) and an android phone which i can use. I understand the skyecho will link to my phone or tablet to run apps but im not sure if the Max does the same. I actually like the look of the AIR3 7.3 but i know its too big to use when i am playing aound in the dunes. I will either get in the way or get broke. Im open to suggestions on apps etc.
@@GolfFoxtrot22 and i also want to learn to fly a flex wing!!
@@sundownsolutions2 that's sad news about your friends incident and I hope they are on the mend. If its GA them ADS-B (Skyecho 2) would be a good suggestion. App wise you could use Safesky which is free or Skydemon which will give more options.
@@GolfFoxtrot22 do you know if the XC tracer max will run apps in a similar way? It would be more use for free flying than a skyecho i think. Whats the difference between ADS-B and FLARM? cheers
He says that ADS-B is great for the air-traffic-controller but not for other pilots.
No. ATC generally don’t see ADS-B. I think there is only one in the UK which actually sees ADS-B and (if I recall correctly), that’s Inverness (or, perhaps Aberdeen).
PilotAware sees all ADS-B, as does SkyEcho, as does TCAS, so GA pilots (and airliners) are more likely to see ADS-B than ATC. So, great for “traffic-aware” fellow pilots, not so good for ATC.
When he starts his “presentation” with a blatant falsehood, I have to regard the rest of his talk with serious scepticism.
I’ll watch the rest (and possibly make comment as he continues) but my first thought was “We don’t need ANOTHER non-standard protocol. It’s bad enough that we have FLARM, ADS-B, and PilotAware - We don’t need yet another one trying to re-invent the wheel”.
ADS-B is the “standard” (although a glider-pilot might argue the same for FLARM). Right now, my immediate reaction is that this is a vanity-project and that it needs to die… QUICKLY. Let’s see if the interview changes my mind.
Hopefully you'll get a response from Tristan soon.
for a paramotor pilot what would you say is best for other pilots to see me? ADSB skyecho or FLARM xctracer or anything else?
I am in the USA and its not available for use here!!🤷♂️
I thought it was. Tristan said they have a server over there.
Not available on play store in the USA..😕
Tried it 5 planes flew over house only 2 showed on the app
Mostplanes have transponder. Transmitting height and reg only when interigated. If these GA aircraft have pilot aware or an ADSB installed.... You would likely see. If there was a pilot aware ground station near by.
HI jock, I've witnessed the same on a recent flight, if they are not sqwarking, they won't show up.